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Restoring Russian influence in Africa: do not repeat Soviet mistakes

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Today, a discussion is underway on the issue of the return of Russian activity to Africa. We are talking about large-scale projects with African countries in various fields of activity: energy, military-technical sphere, medicine, education, etc.




Here it is important to touch upon the following question: will the mistakes made by the USSR be repeated - the uncontrolled infusion of funds in line with "socialist fraternal assistance" with the subsequent recognition of the inability to collect debts? About how many African countries of these debts (to the USSR) as a result had to be written off, it was said repeatedly. These are tens of billions of then Soviet rubles - huge amounts.

After the collapse of the Soviet Union, Russian influence in Africa came to naught. The Americans, Europeans quickly filled the niche, today China is actively engaged in this, having even opened its first foreign naval base in Africa, on the territory of the state of Djibouti.

In such circumstances, Russia is making attempts to once again gain a foothold on the African continent. And the Russian Federation is successful in a number of areas. Of course, such Russian activity from Algeria and Egypt to Mozambique and South Africa could not go unnoticed in Washington and Brussels.

The authors of the Sonar2050 channel make an attempt to analyze the situation:

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  1. Sniper
    Sniper 17 September 2019 11: 40
    +11
    with all friendly countries it is necessary to build partnerships .. according to the principle - "money in the morning. chairs in the evening."
    1. WILL
      WILL 17 September 2019 11: 52
      0
      The right thought! good In general, the Chinese consider Africa - their patrimony ... and systematically strengthened there!
    2. Greg Miller
      Greg Miller 17 September 2019 19: 15
      -1
      Well, to yours, one more question ... And when in Russia will the government begin to engage in the development of education and medicine? Or are we worse than blacks?
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 17 September 2019 11: 41
    -1
    Restoring Russian influence in Africa: do not repeat Soviet mistakes

    Okay, let's repeat troublesome mistakes!
    The continent, now, is not so distant, interesting to many .... yes, there are absolutely no retarded people there, you won’t be able to trade beads and fire water.
    Those. everything is necessary for the mind .... but with this, how are we?
    1. g1v2
      g1v2 17 September 2019 13: 06
      +3
      Now, all the same, we do not have socialism, but capitalism, that is, there will clearly be no past mistakes. The capitalists do not suffer altruism at all. Yes, and they were not mistakes. Thanks to these markets, we firmly held the second place in the world in terms of GDP. Then they left from everywhere and got a result like the ruins of a ZIL plant. THIS IS A DIRECT CONSEQUENCE OF OUR CARE. And China and Germany picked up our markets and raised their GDP due to what we ourselves gave away. Now you have to return what will turn out and how it will turn out. request
      Most of our manufactured goods are not needed by the West - everything has been divided there for a long time. You need to push them into the countries of LA, BV and Africa. On credit, cheaply, by barter, but for us there is no other way to build economic power. It is necessary to conquer sales markets.
      Plus, our companies are picking up mining for themselves, competing with the West. For example, cheap uranium for ROSATOM is mined in Tanzania. Does the West want Russians to have cheap uranium? The question is rhetorical. Th for these markets will have to fight, and possibly fight. request
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 17 September 2019 13: 24
        +1
        Quote: g1v2
        Now, all the same, we do not have socialism, but capitalism, that is, there will clearly be no past mistakes.

        The fact that the USSR had continuous mistakes is a lie. Overdoing it with ideology, it may be, but the USSR provided its wards, useful, important, partners a lot .... due to what, who paid for it, a big question. Everything failed because the state, the UNION were destroyed, they themselves were able to.
        By the way, the capitalists also have enough breaks, not everything is smooth there and losses are not measured !!!
        So to say that one approach is bad and the other impeccable is a lie.
        The situation has changed in the world, and who will be on the horse in this race, and who is in the rear, time will tell. Just not to participate, to stand aside ... the position is losing, this is obvious.
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 17 September 2019 14: 32
          +2
          Quote: rocket757
          Going overboard with ideology

          nothing like this, the ideology was just destroyed by the introduction of a variety of religious cult called Communism. And it was necessary to develop scientific Marxism - Stalinism,
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 17 September 2019 14: 35
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            Quote: aybolyt678
            And it was necessary to develop scientific Marxism - Stalinism,

            Yes, yes, again the most faithful, faithful teaching!
            People are different, mistakes are the same.
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 17 September 2019 14: 49
              +2
              Quote: rocket757
              Yes, yes, again the most faithful, faithful teaching!
              People are different, mistakes are the same.

              Dear Victor! The teachings of Marx are true. At that time, the most progressive, but everything in the world is changing. Now you can have an automatic factory for tailoring sneakers and, without exploiting the labor of others, make a profit. Now the main thing is energy. Energy must be measured value, which according to Marx labor embodied in the product. If this amendment were introduced into the theory of Marx on time, and they figured out that it is not necessary to wage war with the exploiters, but you look at the invaders of energy resources, the story would have gone differently. And Africa is the cheapest solar energy, space ships from there are easier to launch because of the rotation of the Earth, coffee grows there! For Africa you need to hold on and build socialism at home .....
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 17 September 2019 15: 07
                +2
                Who argues, serious scientific work. I have nothing against, besides, I believe that in the distant future, humanity will reach the point that this is the path to the development of humanity.
                Only NOW, it will not be possible to implement it everywhere, precisely because no one has created a development program acceptable to all. Those. most are not ready to give up YOURSELF for the sake of the PUBLIC.
                We have been raised for so many years! We made a bunch of mistakes, as a result, a generation of the upper ones grew up who wanted everything just for themselves, and below it didn’t work out a monolith that broke off Wishlist lovers.
                And how was it to be carried to the masses, to walk with it on the planet, who could do this?
                Again, some questions to which no one gives an exact answer .... make everyone "Capital" read? Will not work. And endurance, tsimus, somehow does not take root, there is no awareness of the MAIN!
                1. aybolyt678
                  aybolyt678 17 September 2019 18: 45
                  +1
                  Quote: rocket757
                  Again, some questions that no one gives an exact answer

                  here’s the exact answer: it’s enough to simply calculate the amount of gas and oil remaining, to calculate how many years are left with such consumption. To draw in the media that really threatening them in ten two years, a picture. And to their children. Socialism and communism is not from an excess of goods, but because of their lack, for the sake of survival it is inevitable. Either socialism or the war of all against all. It is on this basis that a long-term development strategy needs to be built.
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 18 September 2019 12: 33
                    0
                    Quote: aybolyt678
                    Either socialism or the war of all against all.

                    This is not obvious to most. Belief in the "miracles" of science and all that stuff, these are hopes, or maybe illusions. only time will put everything in its place ... but it will be a little later, after us, most likely!
        2. g1v2
          g1v2 18 September 2019 12: 01
          +2
          Речь не об этом. У каждого строя свои атрибуты и свои ошибки. СССР был заточен под идеологическую экспансию, тч экономика для него была средством осуществления этой экспансии. То есть идеология была важнее экономики. Сейчас у нас капитализм , то есть во главе угла именно капитал. Любой - финансовый , производственный, трудовой , сырьевой,культурный. Тч для него экономика приоритетнее и поэтому ошибки наверняка будут, но уже другие. request
          Our GDP is sixth. We want to occupy a large share of world GDP so that our economy and living standards grow? Have to fight, and possibly fight for markets. It will not be otherwise. It’s impossible to sit back on the sidelines, as long as we hide, they’ll already eat all the tasty things in the world. There are still unshared markets and this is our chance. request
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 18 September 2019 12: 36
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            Quote: g1v2
            Each system has its own attributes and its own mistakes.

            That's right ... so I'm afraid that the mistakes will be made the same as everyone else! This USSR could do something a little differently and then, at that moment when it was strong! That time will be gone, in the foreseeable future, at least. Maybe later.
            1. g1v2
              g1v2 18 September 2019 14: 51
              +2
              The history of states is a race over a very long distance. There is always a chance to get around a bend or run into a wall with a run. request Less mistakes and more thinking about the benefits. Who would have thought, after the collapse of the union, that in 20 years China would be the top1 in terms of GDP? Now the West will drown it and there is every chance to intensify while there is a fight between the leaders. request
              It is not necessary to immediately climb to the top, as the king of the mountain will begin to tear all the others. There are a few benefits, they have strengthened there, here they set up a competitor for the bandwagon - and everything will be fine.
              Just because the USA and China are at their peak does not mean that they will always be there. Japan, too, was torn 25 years ago to the top1, but its mattresses competently lowered. having arranged a collapse for her, and Japan cannot recover from that catastrophe for 25 years. Then Fukushima, the rejection of nuclear energy and she left the country with a positive foreign trade balance, went into a serious minus. Nothing is ever over. But one must fight for a place under the Sun. hi
    2. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 17 September 2019 14: 10
      +2
      the main mistake of the USSR in Africa is the same as at home - the lack of a clear goal and development program. Example: there were two warring countries of Mozambique and Somalia, in each of which we built airfields and bases. They took them to the Communist Party, if I am not mistaken without exception smile . And they started a brawl and bombed each other's airfields and bases! smile But it was more correct to build communism in one of the countries, to crush the top, to force it to moderate its appetites or to plant its people, to give military protection and build a bright African future. If you invested this money in one country, you see, maybe the second one would be requested. Even the capitalists do not have a long-term concept.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 17 September 2019 14: 33
        +1
        But who can do everything and always right.
        Each country has its own characteristics, mentality. It is necessary to study and can learn to use the acquired KNOWLEDGE to build long-term, normal relations.
        Everyone is in a hurry, they want in their own way ... because the top ones consider themselves infallible !!! a big mistake for which many, below, have to pay!
        And the following TOPs repeat everything in the new \ old and you will have to pay again and again!
      2. Nycomed
        Nycomed 17 September 2019 18: 28
        -1
        Ethiopia has been forgotten yet! That's who Somalia were "friends"!
  3. Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock
    +5
    Quote: Sniper
    with all friendly countries it is necessary to build partnerships .. according to the principle - "money in the morning. chairs in the evening."

    It is true that Putin has already forgiven all debts for past chairs for his former friends, he began to give chairs again for the second time.
    1. Doctor
      Doctor 17 September 2019 12: 03
      +2
      It is true that Putin has already forgiven all debts for past chairs for his former friends, he began to give chairs again for the second time.

      Not for the first time, the Tambov peasants will tighten their belts and will help black people.
  4. Donetsk2019
    Donetsk2019 17 September 2019 11: 59
    -2
    With Africa - medicine and education? Unless - to adopt the African experience.
  5. Nycomed
    Nycomed 17 September 2019 11: 59
    -2
    Again on the same rake? But we are no longer the USSR and the times are slightly different, the UN has already lost all its authority. And hardly we really need to buy the votes of African countries. But we have not yet learned how to act like China.
    1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
      SERGEY SERGEEVICS 17 September 2019 17: 37
      0
      But we are no longer the USSR and the times are slightly different,

      Prospects and positions because the region remained the same.
      1. Nycomed
        Nycomed 17 September 2019 18: 04
        -2
        That is, to lend, without any hope of repaying the loan, to give food and weapons for free, which they then push for nothing to another ISIS (banned in the Russian Federation) or Hamas (allowed in the Russian Federation)?
        1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
          SERGEY SERGEEVICS 17 September 2019 18: 08
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          Quote: Nycomed
          That is, to lend, without any hope of repaying the loan, to give food and weapons for free, which they then push for nothing to another ISIS (banned in the Russian Federation) or Hamas (allowed in the Russian Federation)?

          About the perspective of our interests in that region.
          1. Nycomed
            Nycomed 17 September 2019 18: 10
            -2
            I just wrote about "perspective". The other is not visible.
            1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
              SERGEY SERGEEVICS 17 September 2019 18: 20
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              Quote: Nycomed
              I just wrote about "perspective". The other is not visible.

              I just wrote about "perspective".
              it’s you who wrote about their side, but I’m talking about our side.
              The other is not visible.
              From each invested amount, interest will continue to come to us. And not to mention geopolitics, that region.
              1. Nycomed
                Nycomed 17 September 2019 18: 25
                -1
                "Blessed is he who believes"! hi
                1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
                  SERGEY SERGEEVICS 17 September 2019 18: 26
                  -1
                  Quote: Nycomed
                  "Blessed is he who believes"! hi

                  Well, that’s their right, what anyone believes in.
        2. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 17 September 2019 18: 49
          0
          Quote: Nycomed
          That is, to lend, without any hope of repaying the loan,

          You know, the USSR has set up many enterprises in the same India or Egypt, while not having provided a single percentage of profit or share of shares in advance. What prevents to repeat it? build enterprises there but leave them to yourself? take into account the mistakes of the past ....
          1. Nycomed
            Nycomed 17 September 2019 19: 05
            0
            And this is pure "imperialism" and "colonialism" and does not agree with the brilliant teachings of Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin. With the teachings of the "Great Helmsman" Mao, you can somehow still sort out what the Chinese in Africa are doing not without success.
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 17 September 2019 19: 36
              0
              Quote: Nycomed
              And this is pure "imperialism" and "colonialism" and does not agree with the brilliant teachings of Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin.

              why so? and if these enterprises are state-owned, dividends go to the Russian budget and the Friendship Fund which is building new enterprises? Socialism does not abolish the exploitation of man by the state. And what do you dislike about the Empire? By the way, the backfill question: if Russia is a colony, then where is the metropolis?
              1. Nycomed
                Nycomed 17 September 2019 19: 42
                -1
                And who says that Russia is a colony?
                1. aybolyt678
                  aybolyt678 18 September 2019 00: 07
                  0
                  Quote: Nycomed
                  And who says that Russia is a colony?

                  And who says that doing business in Africa is imperialism and colonialism? laughing
                  1. Nycomed
                    Nycomed 18 September 2019 06: 42
                    -1
                    The Founding Fathers of the world's most progressive teaching! Exchange player - Marx and Old Man Krupsky-Armand!
                    1. aybolyt678
                      aybolyt678 18 September 2019 09: 15
                      0
                      That is, Russia's doing business in Africa is imperialism with colonialism, but America does not have money to invest in oil production and TNCs in Russia? wassat
                      1. Nycomed
                        Nycomed 18 September 2019 09: 38
                        -2
                        "There is no TNK in Russia?"
                        TNCs in Russia have long been gone.
                      2. aybolyt678
                        aybolyt678 18 September 2019 10: 23
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                        I’m sure you are telling the Truth, which is based on facts known to you, I am also telling my truth ... I’m trying to understand that you know something that is unknown to me, you are avoiding the answer and trying to cling to individual facts or just parts of phrases that are not critical. I would be grateful if you will be more thorough.
                        Quote: Nycomed
                        TNCs in Russia have long been gone.

                        What Coca Cola do not trade? disappeared whiskey with kitikety? and we are paid for oil in rubles?
                      3. Nycomed
                        Nycomed 18 September 2019 10: 30
                        -1
                        Do you want to pay for oil in rubles? Mongolian tugriks and Venezuelan sovereign bolivars are also possible. The main thing in volume will be a lot!
                      4. aybolyt678
                        aybolyt678 18 September 2019 10: 38
                        0
                        It is possible only in terms of the dollar but not the ruble
  6. NF68
    NF68 19 September 2019 16: 30
    0
    Waiting and catching up is not easy.