Former US Ambassador: Russia set the stage for the war in Georgia in advance, but we discouraged Saakashvili

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An interview was published in Georgia with an American diplomat, former US ambassador to Azerbaijan, now the representative of the Atlantic Council, Matthew Bryza. Bryza gave an interview to the YouTube channel Border ZONA in Russian.

Former US Ambassador: Russia set the stage for the war in Georgia in advance, but we discouraged Saakashvili




One of the topics covered is the invasion of Georgian troops in Tskhinval in August 2008. Recall that the international investigation team established a chronology of events: on the basis of an order from the then President of Georgia, Mikhail Saakashvili, the Georgian army attacked the territory of South Ossetia and the base of Russian peacekeepers, carried out a night invasion of South Ossetia, after which a response from the local security forces and the army began Russia, culminating in the initiative of Nicolas Sarkozy to end the confrontation.

Atlantic Council spokesman tried to rewrite recent history. He, noting the results of the international investigation, announced that "Russia began all over."

Bryza:

Russians killed the Georgians. And there was an answer. Russia set the stage in advance. We all remember the certification of South Ossetia. I remember how Russia militarized the railway troops in Abkhazia. Russia has prepared to convince the world that “if you recognized Kosovo as an independent state in the humanitarian situation or human rights, we will create the same scenario in Georgia. And we will use force, as you are against Serbia. ” That was their plan.

The very first phrase “Russians killed Georgians” makes it clear that this is another American Russophobe who promotes destructive ideas and fakes to satisfy the American elites - those that are behind the Atlantic Council today.

Mr. Bryza added that Europe then “wanted to blame Saakashvili and us - the USA”.

Bryza:

But our slogan was for Georgian friends - if there is a war, we will not be with you. Do not bring to war. I even spoke openly on the phone so that Moscow would hear this message.

As you can see, the ex-ambassador is trying to a certain degree of anger, claiming that Washington "dissuaded" Saakashvili from aggression.

In these attempts to self-make, Bryza was pretty confused. He started with “the Russians killed the Georgians”, and actually ended up by confirming the start of the war with Mr. Saakashvili. Trying to find an excuse again, Bryza added that "the war is on the part of Russia."
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  1. +9
    17 September 2019 06: 57
    official fake, said his weighty word, his comrades will support him.
    1. +12
      17 September 2019 07: 22
      It would seem where the United States, and where Georgia. But American ears stick out wherever Russian interests are.
      1. +22
        17 September 2019 07: 27
        that's why they are not taught from childhood to answer for their words? would get from the diaper over the nipple for a lie now would be more accurately expressed
        1. +2
          17 September 2019 07: 49
          Quote: vadson
          that's why they are not taught from childhood to answer for their words?

          They try not to lie to their own, I can condemn mine. Although they are trending their own way, the main thing is to stand out from the total mass of nonsense. hi
          1. +1
            17 September 2019 15: 35
            Quote: Evdokim
            .. They try not to lie to their own, I can condemn mine

            This whole “civilized” world understands the severity of litigation, and for a long time it. And here
            Quote: vadson
            I would get from the diapers on the nipple for a lie, now I would be more accurately expressed
            - they forgot about it long ago. From childhood, they hammered them about rights, about responsibility, well, just a little bit.
            If simply - until Russia learns to respond quickly and harshly: they will try to kick, on command, all sorts of Georgia and 404 countries ...
            1. +1
              17 September 2019 21: 02
              Personally, to that "bad organism" who walked through my profile and 'minus' everything that came to hand - you would at least say a word, otherwise you will perish as a wordless character ...
        2. +2
          17 September 2019 09: 26
          Here, you hit the quick. This fact makes me angry. Time is such, faceless, you can try without consequences. By the way, our "couch thinkers" also suffer from this.
        3. +2
          17 September 2019 10: 58
          Worthy followers? !
          "These gentlemen proceeded from the correct calculation that the more monstrous you lie, the sooner they will believe you" (adolf)
          "All ingenious is simple" (Goebbels)
          But ....
          "But the Thought is proud, and the Man is dear to her, - it enters into an evil battle with the Lie, and the battlefield is the heart of Man" (Maxim Gorky. Man)
      2. +1
        17 September 2019 08: 27
        Yes, everything is simple! The Americans simply manic megalomania, characteristic of many other empires at the peak of their development and world domination. At one time, the United States wanted to have open access even to the internal rivers of Russia, the Don and the Volga, but even Yeltsin reacted extremely nervously and irritably to this.
      3. +2
        17 September 2019 08: 40
        They are so advanced .. Georgia is an American state. Yes, and the Belarusian Sea is theirs. :-)
      4. KCA
        +3
        17 September 2019 08: 41
        After all, where, yes, all the USA stood on the ears on the information that Russia attacked Georgia, there even patriots in the army gathered to go to fight
        Georgia (Eng. Georgia [ˈdʒɔrdʒə]) is a state in the southeastern United States, the fourth state to sign the United States Constitution in 1788. The capital and largest city is Atlanta. The population of 10 people (097).
      5. +1
        17 September 2019 15: 34
        Quote: Thrall
        It would seem where the United States, and where Georgia. But American ears stick out wherever Russian interests are.


        This concerns not only the interests of Russia.
    2. -12
      17 September 2019 08: 00
      Quote: aybolyt678
      official fake, said his weighty word, his comrades will support him.

      Do you think our intelligence knew that Saakashvili was ready to go to war in South Ossetia? I think I knew, but why did they give him to bomb Tskhinval? Maybe a reason was needed for the rejection of Ossetia and Abkhazia?
      1. +4
        17 September 2019 08: 33
        Quote: RUSS
        Quote: aybolyt678
        official fake, said his weighty word, his comrades will support him.

        Do you think our intelligence knew that Saakashvili was ready to go to war in South Ossetia? I think I knew, but why did they give him to bomb Tskhinval? Maybe a reason was needed for the rejection of Ossetia and Abkhazia?

        They knew and prepared for this when the order was given to destroy all stockpiles of ammunition during the exercises, the MO commander saved them, thereby saving the lives of many people.
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          1. 0
            17 September 2019 16: 46
            Our fuckers weren’t ready,

            They didn’t use ammunition during the exercises, but saved them, what for? was to save them, if from your words they did not know. Our boys worked perfectly, and then they began to pull up troops.
      2. +1
        17 September 2019 08: 36
        They knew. Holidays in SEE were canceled a couple of months before August. The people were at the training grounds
      3. +3
        17 September 2019 09: 08
        Quote: RUSS
        Quote: aybolyt678
        official fake, said his weighty word, his comrades will support him.

        Do you think our intelligence knew that Saakashvili was ready to go to war in South Ossetia? I think I knew, but why did they give him to bomb Tskhinval? Maybe a reason was needed for the rejection of Ossetia and Abkhazia?

        And what had to be done?
      4. +6
        17 September 2019 10: 47
        RUSS (Maxim) Today, 08:00
        I knew !!! 101%
        And the leadership of the country and the Defense Ministry worked clearly !!!

        At first, the Caucasus-2008 exercise was planned for September. But. Were postponed and carried out in July ...
        And the trips of persons of the US State Department to Georgia were brazenly in plain sight ..
        The Spirit of War hovered over Georgia ..
        Preparations for the adventure were underway ... and psychological and informational preparation of the upcoming Georgian "blitzkrieg" ..

        Now about your provocative questions
        Peacekeeping issues were worked out during the exercises !!!!!! operations. Here is the answer to "why they gave to bomb Tskhinval and the rejection of territories"
        Russia did not want and did not take on the role of aggressor. And defended its peacekeepers (who were meanly attacked by Georgians at night) and the common people of South Ossetia .. FORCING TO PEACE !!
        The Abkhazians themselves fought in the Abkhazian direction and very successfully brought down the arrogance from the Georgians.
        The blame for the collapse of Georgia and the loss of its territories lies only with its leadership.
        The role of the United States in these events, as well as other wars, is known to all. They had to and still want to. So that the Caucasus would burn and there would be constant chaos in the region ...
        They do not care about peace and the peoples in the regions, as they interpret, the "strategic interests of the United States" (which for some reason are thousands of kilometers from America itself).
        We look at Syria.
        .We are watching the provocation in Saudi Arabia and the instant accusations of Iran from the United States ..
      5. 0
        17 September 2019 11: 27
        Most likely they knew that the Georgian leadership intended to seek a forceful solution and was pulling together troops. In July there were exercises of the 58th army (by chance or not).
        But why did they give him to bomb Tskhinval?

        What to deliver a preventive strike? Especially during the Olympic Games?
        1. -3
          17 September 2019 12: 29
          Yes, if they knew, but if the commanders of our army hadn’t been indignant, in Georgia there has long been a different leadership of the country. This is a mistake of our military and our politicians.
    3. +1
      17 September 2019 10: 17
      Oh, these tales, oh, these storytellers laughing it can be seen that someone’s butt is getting hot, they are starting to throw off the tail.
  2. +3
    17 September 2019 07: 03
    cheap goebbelsyatin per maidanutyh hamsters. Indicator of dullness as a speaker. so listener
  3. -19
    17 September 2019 07: 12
    and what is wrong? handed out passports? handed out. did the military lay a branch? paved. What is this if not interference in the affairs of independent Georgia?
    1. +17
      17 September 2019 07: 17
      Once again, the INTERNATIONAL Commission established the sequence for the outbreak of war. Its findings are recognized and state that Georgia started the war.
      1. -20
        17 September 2019 07: 19
        I am aware that Georgia started the war, but what happened BEFORE the war? right: the distribution of passports and laying the railway branches by the MILITARY RF. I think about other military preparations you already know very well
        1. +15
          17 September 2019 07: 27
          I remember Hitler in 41 said the same thing. Like, they barely managed to hit the first.
        2. +12
          17 September 2019 07: 33
          Who forbids passports to pass citizens? Is this an act of preparation for war? did not get enough sleep? railway branch? to whom did she interfere? this infrastructure for a minute, show me a person who will argue that this is bad. or it may be a person who wants the decline of the region. then yes - infrastructure is evil
        3. +11
          17 September 2019 07: 35
          In this case, you can accuse Kaiser Wilhelm of unleashing ... World War II !!!! belay
          If he hadn’t been hit by WWII, he would not have come to power in a defeated country and would not have unleashed WWII
          fool
          If Russophobes recognize that Georgia began the war, what have passports?
          If now the Hungarians and Poles are distributing their passports, it means in your opinion that tomorrow they will start to fight with Ukraine ???? !!!
          They’ll go with tank columns, with air strikes and fleet strikes feel ??
        4. +7
          17 September 2019 08: 12
          Quote: Maxim Guzevatov
          I am aware that Georgia started the war, but what happened BEFORE the war?

          Before the 2008 war, there was the 1992 war, which Georgians also started. Therefore, passports and a railway branch (destroyed, as I understand it, again by Georgians).
        5. 0
          17 September 2019 22: 59
          And what happened before the construction of the railway line and the distribution of passports? Such an "innocent" genocide of the Abkhazians?
    2. +3
      17 September 2019 08: 37
      Is there an independent Georgia? There is a state of non-georgia.
    3. +3
      17 September 2019 08: 40
      Listen, and with the 1991 of the year, the USA is preparing a war with itself, it turns out. Did you build bases and laboratories for bakuoruzha? Handing out passports? moreover, even to the presidents ... Are you a Maladian, have you read the instruction manual incorrectly again?
  4. +5
    17 September 2019 07: 16
    For Pin dosniks, lying is as natural as breathing. negative
  5. +2
    17 September 2019 07: 16
    Well, if he wasn’t ay-ay-yay ... Apparently, in childhood, my mother did not explain to this boy (or girl? Who will understand them ...) that it is not good to lie?
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    1. -1
      17 September 2019 08: 17
      Adjara now lives quite well, at the expense of tourists from Russia. "Self-determined" Adjara never tried to get rid of the criminals of Aslan Abashidze and now there is peace and quiet.
      1. 0
        17 September 2019 08: 24
        Yes, and good subsidies go to them, in addition to tourism.
        1. -2
          17 September 2019 08: 32
          Quite possible. Separatism is of no interest to anyone, and Georgia ate them completely. In recent years, I have visited many friends and acquaintances. I heard nothing but good from them.
  8. -6
    17 September 2019 07: 26
    The possibility of recognizing Abkhazia and South Ossetia should have been announced as soon as the conversation for Kosovo started. Why wave your fists after the fight?
    1. 0
      17 September 2019 07: 40
      "A thin peace is better than a good war," hope that sanity will prevail.
      1. -2
        17 September 2019 07: 47
        This is understandable, but they were obliged to warn. As well as with the INF Treaty: as soon as the conversation arose about deploying missile defense systems in Eastern Europe, it was immediately necessary to declare that in this case we would immediately unilaterally withdraw from the treaty.
        1. 0
          17 September 2019 16: 39
          Quote: Nycomed
          it was immediately necessary to declare that in this case we immediately unilaterally withdraw from the agreement.
          - catch the difference -we go out or they? Who was the first to come out, and everyone will accuse of fomenting an arms race and preparing for war. Was it necessary for us?
          1. -2
            17 September 2019 16: 55
            That is, we needed a missile defense? Anyway, we were accused of violating the INF Treaty.
  9. +3
    17 September 2019 07: 27
    There is a saying in China: " If a lie is repeated three times, it becomes true".
    The bad gentleman threw in a lie, now experts are studying the "answer" in the media, social networks, how this lie will be reflected in society, who will perceive it and how, and are looking for weak spots to correct the new throw-in, to achieve their bad goals.
    1. +2
      17 September 2019 07: 33
      Quote: Boris55
      The bad gentleman threw in a box, now experts are studying the "answer" in the media,

      I totally agree with you!
      But the word false is written with a soft sign ... hi
  10. 0
    17 September 2019 07: 28
    Former US Ambassador: Russia set the stage for the war in Georgia in advance, but we discouraged Saakashvili

    They dissuaded, while training and arming ..
  11. +1
    17 September 2019 07: 33
    Striped ambassador, official, politician .... this is a priori liar !!! However, where, from whom, in another way ???
    It's just that when it’s against us, it’s kind of like against the truth, and when ours is ........
  12. 0
    17 September 2019 07: 35
    "After the fight, they don't wave their fists," and let Saakashvili give this nonsense his tie.
  13. 0
    17 September 2019 07: 38
    And this next nonsense striped and not worth commenting.
  14. 0
    17 September 2019 07: 40
    Already by the title of the article it’s clear that another lie (lies, if simpler) of the next striped ambassador. After all, they know that they are lying, but for what? Untidy people ...
  15. -1
    17 September 2019 07: 53
    Dear editors of Military Review! Explain to me the meaning of replicating this stupidity. For whom should this topic be raised and for what purpose? Maybe to fuel enmity between Russia and Georgia? Or are there simply no interesting topics? The whole world knows how and who is to blame for the 2008 war. The point has already been set - the end of the war and the independence of South Ossetia. And to circulate political adventurers who talk nonsense, not even on the basis of Russophobia, but within the framework of political careerism, there are very - very many in the world.
    1. +5
      17 September 2019 08: 24
      This is a military-political theme and the representative of the Atlantic Council is far from an adventurer. For such statements, the goals pursued by US policy are clearly visible, and the topic certainly needs to be raised.
      1. -1
        17 September 2019 08: 47
        In such a military-political aspect, you just need to not IMITATE the American's chatter for a narrow circle of "friends of America", but remind after his words that those guilty of the war are determined by the decisions of the UN or the OSCE or other organizations and the headline should be - Another Russophobe from the US pushes the Georgian people to war with Russia (as an example). Instead of analyzing phraseology.
  16. 0
    17 September 2019 08: 21
    Sabakashvili attacked, but Russia, as always, is to blame. It was necessary to bang him in advance laughing
  17. 0
    17 September 2019 08: 32
    The right to spread Moscow influence on these lands was given to us by Europe in the person of the Pope and St. Rimsk, Imp. back in the time of Ivan IV. Of course, Americans can use our limitrophs as a breeding ground for their seeds of discord, but they are not eternal, and the history of this region is rich in events in the clash of empires.
  18. 0
    17 September 2019 08: 33
    As always, everything is in the nuances. Yes, the troops of the Southern Military District have been preparing to answer in a couple of months. But only answer protecting the peacekeepers. They did not plan to attack rodents
    1. +2
      17 September 2019 09: 43
      The troops of the Southern Military District were ready to defend our peacekeepers from the moment they were deployed in South Ossetia, but unfortunately they were ready (thanks to Serdyukov) only on paper ... if it weren’t for the professionalism of the military (the experience gained by the 58th army in the North Caucasus), then we would fulfill the coercion of the world with even greater losses.
      1. 0
        17 September 2019 18: 48
        I’m not talking about abstract preparedness, but about the fact that the headquarters of the Southern Military District had information about the possibility of provocations. And specific units were being prepared and at the time of the attack it was not in the barracks but deployed in the Caucasus. How good the preparation was is a separate issue.
        1. 0
          17 September 2019 20: 02
          For Levius Sorry, but I live in Stavropol and often communicate with military personnel, so no one told me that Georgia’s aggression is being prepared on such a scale (there are enough provocations there today, but they don’t go into shooting, especially shooting from Gradov). But many told me that they were part of South Ossetia from 0,3 ammunition, instead of 3,0 at least !!!! Russia did not expect such a scale of aggression, therefore, troops were not brought in immediately, although there were plans for such situations since the beginning of the 90s ... And there should have been fewer losses ... But this is not a claim to the generals and officers, and especially not to soldiers, but to Medvedev and Serdyukov. But I don’t have information about Putin’s actions at that time in August 2008.
          1. 0
            18 September 2019 08: 27
            Dear Vitaliy. And I live in Rostov and information from direct participants. There are no tops. From officers directly involved. Those who later bragged a little about trophies (bronics form, etc.). As for BC, I won’t say anything. It began with the fact that they all had their summer vacations canceled in May.
  19. Quote: Nycomed
    Adjara now lives quite well, at the expense of tourists from Russia. "Self-determined" Adjara never tried to get rid of the criminals of Aslan Abashidze and now there is peace and quiet.

    In the days of Abashidze, even if she didn’t separate, she was very independent.
    And criminals. many founders of many states were terrorists and crooks.
  20. 0
    17 September 2019 09: 46
    Something exposlov talked.
  21. 0
    17 September 2019 10: 24
    Georgia would never have attacked on its own in order to fight alone against Russia, therefore Georgia attacked, because the United States gave it guarantees and support right down to the military.
  22. +1
    17 September 2019 11: 11
    We must deal with this by well-known methods - to release a film telling our version of events.
    Documentary, and even better artistic, which describes all the events in series.
    Only in no case do not appoint directors of odious personalities like Bondarchuk or Mikhalkov or Teacher, who are already mired in search of their greatness.
    here we need a simple job at the level of TV series, which are rich in shooting.
    and the script should be necessarily agreed with the Ministry of Culture, the army and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
  23. 0
    17 September 2019 11: 12
    Quote: Vadim Golubkov
    because the USA gave her guarantees

    gave the illusions of guarantees
  24. +1
    17 September 2019 11: 31
    Found someone to listen to. Atlantic Consil is recognized as a foreign agent. And the fact that it is headed by a former specialist in "caviar diplomacy" from the State Department only underlines the correctness of the decision of the Russian Ministry of Justice.
  25. 0
    17 September 2019 18: 23
    American diplomacy has ended ... It is a pity. She needs it right now ...
  26. 0
    17 September 2019 20: 10
    American politics are surprising in its simplicity. How would we recognize Kosovo, but we can! And everyone else must coordinate their actions with the USA. The legitimacy of the actions of the USA and NATO is not discussed at all.
  27. 0
    17 September 2019 20: 52
    Still listen to flaccid artiodactyls.
    He is a bull, like many politicians. What the masters say to them, they mumble ...
  28. 0
    17 September 2019 22: 39
    A well-known person ... even when he was his deputy deputy secretary of state, Mishiko was especially zealous. He was already distinguished, to put it mildly, with a dislike for Russia ...
  29. 0
    17 September 2019 23: 40
    The ambassador lies as he breathes. Georgia’s preparation for war was obvious, at least in terms of Georgia’s military budget. The God-Preserving Fatherland, as usual, turned out to be not ready for an attack.
  30. 0
    17 September 2019 23: 44
    For Sakashvili, we looked so defenseless and appetizing that he could not resist despite the entreaties of American friends and this is our terrible fault
  31. 0
    18 September 2019 07: 23
    Americans are sometimes strong in hindsight.
    But this is when he is.
    And if it doesn’t exist at all !?
  32. 0
    18 September 2019 08: 49
    Mu-ak, what else can you say ...
  33. 0
    18 September 2019 13: 03
    Georgia has been playing with fire for a long time, and this began to be understood in Georgia itself, where rallies began regularly to take place for the full restoration of relations with Russia. Otherwise, everything can end sadly for Georgia, when the Russian Tsar defended Georgia, now only Russia can defend Georgia, and the sooner they understand in Georgia, the faster they will be able to avoid the grave consequences and new losses of their territories. Do not forget that Turkey claims for a number of Georgian territories and Islamization of these territories is already underway. Only Russia can be a deterrent to Georgia from Turkey, just as it protects Armenia from Azerbaijan and Turkey. Therefore, Georgians must make it clear that they are either losing territory and shrinking in size with all the negative consequences that have arisen, or they are apologizing to Russia, uprooting all their radical anti-Russian movements and heading for a full restoration of relations with Russia.
  34. 0
    18 September 2019 13: 55
    If a lie is repeated a thousand times, it will be believed.
  35. 0
    18 September 2019 14: 31
    And you don't even need to piss him in the eye, he is a dirty "diplomat", and that says it all! ...
  36. 0
    18 September 2019 15: 06
    Tue American history is written ...
  37. 0
    18 September 2019 15: 53
    So what? It is so brazen to lie to the whole world, and no one will misfire, stop, but everyone listens and nods in accordance. G ..... n
  38. 0
    18 September 2019 15: 54
    Diplomat, do you have a mom, did you have a dad? Why angry like a dog?
  39. 0
    18 September 2019 15: 57
    Of course, I’ve been preparing for a long time. Russia even captured Georgia 300 years before these events.