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High Precision Phantom. New weapons from Russian developers

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Few days ago russian weapons Bespoke Gun holding, known for its work in the field of high-precision and "elite" small arms for sports and hunting, introduced a new development. Carabiner called "Phantom" combines a successful design and recognizable appearance. At the same time, the new product eliminates problems with the supply of foreign components.




Carabiner Against Sanctions


It is alleged that the emergence of a new Phantom project from Bespoke Gun was facilitated by foreign sanctions against Russia, including in the field of small arms. Previously, manufacturers of high-precision systems could order the necessary materials and components abroad, but the sanctions imposed closed this possibility. Russian gunsmiths found an obvious solution: they studied the achievements of foreign colleagues and designed their own units with the necessary parameters.

It is alleged that the shutter design uses the solutions spied on by SAKO Tikka and Accuracy International AW rifles. The trigger mechanism is made in the form factor of Remington rifles. This approach accelerated the development of weapons, as well as simplified the refinement of finished samples. In particular, USMs from Bespoke Gun and Remington are interchangeable.

We also conducted our own research aimed at determining the optimal operational characteristics and ergonomics of weapons. Based on their results, the most noticeable and remarkable components of the carbine were created.

To solve the tasks, it was necessary to conduct research, look for the necessary materials and technologies, and then perform tests. All this made it possible to sharply reduce the share of imports in finished weapons. However, some types of raw materials still have to be purchased abroad. Domestic manufacturers can not yet offer their analogues.

The first result of new approaches and projects was the Phantom carbine. It is a magazine weapon with a manual reload, characterized by reduced dimensions. In the very near future, the Bespoke Gun promise to introduce the Phantom Tactics rifle - a similar system with increased dimensions and other characteristics.

Technical features


Phantom receives a threaded barrel 406 mm long (16 inches) with pronounced lobes on the side. A cylindrical muzzle brake compensator with several rows of radial holes is used. The barrel is fixed in a compact receiver that accommodates a sliding bolt.

The Bespoke Gun development team includes a butterfly valve with three combat stops. Recharge control is carried out by a traditional rear position handle. When locking the barrel, the base of the handle serves as an additional combat focus.

Ammunition is provided by detachable small-capacity stores. It is curious that the type of ammunition has not yet been reported. Other products from Bespoke Gun can be produced in different calibres for a number of modern rifle cartridges. Perhaps the Phantom will also be made in several versions.



In advertising materials from the manufacturer, the need for the use of cartridges of their own production is mentioned, which are distinguished by increased manufacturing accuracy and, therefore, higher characteristics.

The carbine does not have its own sights, but is equipped with a universal bracket for mounting any systems.

A characteristic feature of the Phantom is a special plastic box. It has a futuristic appearance with many straight faces and a corresponding color. Such a bed is designed to increase the accuracy of fire. The developers remind that the wrong tab and grip weapons can adversely affect accuracy. Specialists in ergonomics and biomechanics were involved in the new project, and with their help they created a hilt and butt, which virtually eliminated the incorrect holding of weapons. Due to this, allegedly, it was possible to fully realize the technical potential of the structure.

The box has a pronounced pistol shot, with the trigger guard markedly extended in front of it. The butt is equipped with an adjustable cheek. The front of the box has fastenings for the bipod.

The competitive advantage of Phantom and other Bespoke Gun products is the high quality of production. Manufacturing tolerances are brought to the micron level. Almost all assembly operations are carried out manually. The production is subject to strict quality control.

In the presented form, the Phantom carbine has a length of 985 mm and weighs less than 4 kg - apparently, parameters without sights and ammunition. 16-inch barrel accelerates the bullet to 930 m / s. Effective firing range - 1 km. When using cartridges of special production that meet high manufacturing requirements, accuracy is achieved at the level of 0,1 MOA.

The most important parameter of the new carbine, its cost to the customer, does not yet appear in open sources. Nevertheless, other positions of the catalog of the manufacturer hint that a high price is worth a solid price.

Phantom Phantom


Unfortunately, so far only the most general facts about the development of a new carbine and only some of its characteristics have been published. Also, the developer company shared with the press photographs of the product "in real life." However, a number of important information has not yet been published, which makes it difficult to fully review and evaluate the rifle.

The fact of the appearance of a new high-precision phantom carbine and a unified rifle may be cause for optimism. This means that domestic arms production is developing and is ready to show its new developments. Bespoke Gun revealed some details of the process of creating new samples, and this data is also very interesting. Using the specific situation on the market, the domestic holding is looking for new technologies and designs designed to ensure independence from imports.

High Precision Phantom. New weapons from Russian developers


The claimed characteristics show Phantom as a promising development with a good future. The use of such weapons with specially prepared ammunition allows you to get accuracy at the level of the best world models, and this can be a reason for pride.

Following the carbine of the new model, it is planned to show a full-size rifle built on the same solutions. Thus, only two high-precision models are ready so far, but in the future a family of weapons with different barrels and for different ammunition may appear. Domestic manufacturers of small arms do not very often please the public with such the news.

Curious design approaches to the design of the "Phantom". Engineers carefully studied the best foreign samples and adopted the most successful solutions. This reduces the degree of novelty and the risks associated with it, but at the same time provides the desired quality of the structure. However, there were some new solutions. As such, you can consider the original ergonomic box, "protecting" from the wrong grip.

Most of the most important technical parameters of the Phantom carbine have not yet been published. This fact makes it difficult to evaluate the product and its comparison with other modern samples of the same class. The lack of data on the price of weapons and ammunition for him does not allow us to present commercial prospects.

It is hoped that in the near future Bespoke Guns holding will publish new data on its developments, show them in action and, possibly, even compare with similar foreign samples. This will remove a lot of questions and serve as a good advertisement for both the already known carbine and the announced rifle.

"Phantom" may be a reason for pride in Russian arms manufacturers and their successes in the development of new technologies and directions. However, the current state of affairs with accessible information makes us make only cautious assessments. And besides, it does not allow to fully appreciate the efforts and achievements of designers. It remains to be expected that the situation will change - to the delight of lovers of precision weapons.
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  1. Victorio
    Victorio 17 September 2019 18: 07
    +1
    ) futuristic design, carbon probably
  2. polpot
    polpot 17 September 2019 18: 09
    +8
    Is this advertising material or how
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 17 September 2019 19: 41
      +1
      Quote: polpot
      Is this advertising material or how

      For me, the good old KO-44 is better than these futuristic "squeaks".
    2. 4thParasinok
      4thParasinok 22 September 2019 21: 49
      0
      Quote: polpot
      Is this advertising material or how

      Judging by the content, it’s unambiguous, and even with a nonsense machine translation:
      The stock has a pronounced pistol shot
      .
      I’m wondering, does topwar pay for articles? And then so many idiotic articles are published.
  3. Stas1973
    Stas1973 17 September 2019 18: 38
    -28
    Another blah blah. And Zircon Unas flies, and Vanguard, and T-14 on guard ... and everything has no analogues in the world.
    How the cheers and hat-takers got it. Then a lad was killed at the training ground, and the MO write: he himself was killed by a bag on his head and his hands tied with adhesive tape. And nothing.
    1. Fuse angel
      Fuse angel 17 September 2019 18: 51
      +12
      Another alarmist, who is doing badly, everyone is to blame for everything and this country will fall apart, how did you get these haters who are ready to dirtiest any good news with their "smart" criticism, just to be noticed. No new weapons like zircon or t-14 appear in service at the click of a button! They go through a long way of testing in order not to misfire at the right time. As far as I know, a production contract has already been signed for the T-14, as well as for the vanguard. Zircon, due to its complexity, is being tested.
      1. aws4
        aws4 18 September 2019 00: 18
        -8
        I’m grieving you a little, but you and your koment are on the other extreme .. if you click it for 10 years, plus the experience of the Soviet era is the norm, it’s a long journey of testing, then I congratulate you not one tank in the history of mankind for so long and even more so, it wasn’t created because, as a matter of fact, it was a conversion of an experimental Soviet tank, naturally taking into account modern technologies and a modified approach. if critics got you, then be objective ...
        1. Ka-52
          Ka-52 18 September 2019 05: 11
          +11
          I’m grieving you a little, but you and your koment are on the other extreme .. if you click it for 10 years, plus the experience of the Soviet era is the norm, it’s a long journey of testing, then I congratulate you not one tank in the history of mankind for so long

          and now I will upset you. If earlier the characteristics of the combat vehicle / aircraft itself were ≈85% of the total combat efficiency, now it is 65% at best. And the rest is on-board systems (navigation, control of the situation, target detection and weapon control, counteraction to enemy weapons). And in terms of knowledge and cost, the latter are orders of magnitude superior to investments in the development of the very carrier of these systems. Hence the increase in terms. For example:
          1. P-51 Mustang, development 4 months., 2 years later (1942) came into operation. Total 2,5 years from the beginning of work
          2. F-4 Phantom II - the beginning of work - 1954, the first model - 1955, the first flight - 1958, the first machines in the shelves - 1961. Total 7 years from the beginning of work.
          3. F-22 Raptor - the beginning of the program -1985, the first flight of 1997, the first aircraft in the shelves - 2003. Total 18 years from the beginning of the program.
          So this is you be objective, since you are going to make comments. hi
          1. aws4
            aws4 20 September 2019 18: 23
            -3
            cool!!!!!!! you compared the most breakthrough at that time, the most expensive fighter in the world, the fighter in which the Americans were the first without catching up .. the fighter whose price even now is sky-high with the T14 tank laughing first, compare the cost of these cars .. then still don’t hypocrite the tank and the fighter it’s completely different cars ... more more - you just don’t know the whole story with the armature, you don’t know how the Uralvagonzavod and all its contractors put together, don’t know and about the fact that they can’t give this car at the price that is laid down and the most important thing is that even at this price it’s not in a series that is twice as much as the most expensive western tanks, our entire industry is not able to put the tank in series, just don’t need to sculpt a humpback now about the fact that o new generation tank and its path to the troops will take longer than fu 22 laughing I don’t understand where did the healthy people from this site go? here that only cheers of patriots and Kremlin crackers remained? what is happening you wrote obvious things, do you really think that for someone it's a secret or I don’t know that the technique is becoming more complicated and expensive? I will repeat again, Stas1973 (Stanislav) is one extreme in which everything is black and wretched and you are Ka-52 (Andrey) and Angel_fuse is the other extreme cheers patriots who by any means will justify all the shortcomings and losses .. objectivity for the sake of more read the history of creation of this machine and you will understand that in terms of time they have already surpassed fu22 and if you take into account the fact that t14 was not created from scratch, it’s just shame and disgrace .. and don’t have to push slogans about money, but you hold on .. shame on you you are not !!!!!!!!
          2. sh3roman
            sh3roman 22 September 2019 18: 28
            0
            I would like to know your comment about ka60, ka62.
    2. Voyager
      Voyager 17 September 2019 19: 10
      +3
      You have a talent for mixing flies with cutlets
    3. Nick
      Nick 18 September 2019 02: 54
      +3
      Quote: Stas1973
      Another blah blah.

      Your comment.
    4. SASHA OLD
      SASHA OLD 18 September 2019 14: 02
      +2
      Quote: Stas1973
      How did the cheers and hat-takers get

      guard patriots got no less

      on the topic of the article have something to say?

      people like you and under the article about strawberry ice cream start drizzling: "The guy was killed! everyone is stealing, tanks don't go, masalets don't fly, grenades don't explode, the country is about to fall apart ..!"
      zadolbali you even more than cheers
  4. psiho117
    psiho117 17 September 2019 18: 47
    +10
    Hmm, and this chopped handle - is it like "an original ergonomic stock that protects" from a wrong grip?
    Some kind of garbage. fool She defends the fact that she is reluctant to take on!
  5. Reserve officer
    Reserve officer 17 September 2019 18: 50
    +2
    And where is the barrel made?
    1. dvina71
      dvina71 17 September 2019 19: 48
      +2
      Quote: Reserve officer
      And where is the barrel made?

      everything is made in Russia .. imported metal. They are proud of the bolt group with which they replaced the Remmington group ..
      1. Vovanya
        Vovanya 17 September 2019 21: 43
        +4
        Well, where is the reason for pride? Bolt type bolt or precise bore drilling? These are self-evident things, you don't need a special mind - you need a good machine, I'm sure they used an imported one. Import substitution, damn it ...
        1. dvina71
          dvina71 17 September 2019 22: 03
          +2
          Quote: Vovanya
          Well, where is the reason for pride?

          And what do you need a reason for pride? Personally, I don’t care .. how this rifle is so Lobaev’s. They have no military purpose. Sport and hunting. Combat weapons require a different approach in design and application. None of these rifles will survive where the SVD should work .. At best, it can be used in counter-sniper work .. but this is only in the absence of a PC, ZUShka, mortars and artillery ...
          Two .. in fact, it’s equally indifferent on what kind of machine it was done .., I’m working on a foreign truck .. Well, they are more effective than ours .. and what should I do? I still have MAZ .. so it costs more .. forever sick .. We have enough foreign machine tools at the factory ... what am I upset about now and pr.855 .. what is it?
  6. businessv
    businessv 17 September 2019 18: 54
    +2
    It's a pity there is no complete data, but they showed the photo, it's already not bad, maybe in a year and the price will be published, although it has already been announced that it will not be small. With prices, we are always cheerful, especially when the product "is not inferior to world analogues", then the price of one product includes all the pain of development, manufacturing and testing of the components of the entire trial batch! wink
    1. sgapich
      sgapich 17 September 2019 22: 30
      0
      Quote: businessv
      We are always cheerful with prices, especially when the product "is not inferior to world analogues" ...

      If compared with the Lobaevsky rifles, then there is a range of prices from 362 rubles. (DVL-000 M10 Urbana), up to 2 rubles. (SVLK-1C Twilight).
      1. businessv
        businessv 18 September 2019 14: 52
        0
        Quote: sgapich
        there is a range of prices from

        Thank you colleague! As I said, not weak! smile
  7. K-50
    K-50 17 September 2019 19: 15
    +7
    They described everything except the used ammunition and caliber, respectively. lol
    1. Kalmar
      Kalmar 18 September 2019 08: 42
      +1
      Ammunition in the photo is noticeable. The initial speed is - 930 m / s. Obviously something non-supersonic.
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 18 September 2019 22: 52
        0
        something between .338LM and .408 Chey-tack
  8. Alex_You
    Alex_You 17 September 2019 19: 44
    0
    Well, how much Russian is that? They could not even give the Russian name.
    1. dvina71
      dvina71 17 September 2019 19: 50
      0
      Quote: Alex_You
      Well, how much Russian is that? They could not even give the Russian name.

      What's the difference? Weapons for hunting and competitions .. It’s not at all the fact that it will withstand ... even a simplified .. army test ..
    2. Zusul
      Zusul 18 September 2019 13: 59
      0
      Because the gun is clearly not intended for the Russian segment, but for export
  9. Rwmos
    Rwmos 17 September 2019 19: 53
    +6
    Well, the first two photos are clearly a civilian option - with wicks and schedules. Well, in general - good. Variety in choice at least.
    Although there is a rule - the more beautiful it looks, the worse it works
  10. Operator
    Operator 17 September 2019 19: 56
    +1
    Plyusanul VO and the author of the article - domestic small arms must be untwisted in every way.

    Manufacturer's website https://bespokegun.ru
    1. Operator
      Operator 17 September 2019 20: 07
      +3
      Bespoke Gun Chief Engineer Oleg Rogozhin:

      "The BASTARD" carbine has an extremely short, thickened sports barrel in the cut of 24 mm and a length of 16 ", has a caliber 300 WSM. Dry sports descent, with a force of about 500 g., Has practically no recoil, and a well-developed shell does not jam the shooter Each rifle has its own cartridge according to BENCHREST technology - a bullet LAPUA 220 Gr (14,2 grams) on Russian powder. They showed a cutoff speed of 780 m / s. There are 4 rounds in the magazine. As a result, all these indicators ensure the accuracy of hitting the target 0,08 MOA. Maximum firing range up to 1000 meters. "
      1. Plantagenet
        Plantagenet 17 September 2019 20: 27
        +2
        And why it was impossible to make 308 Win in caliber? Then at least it was possible for hunters to push.
        1. Operator
          Operator 17 September 2019 23: 28
          0
          Invite Rogozhin to VO.
  11. Undecim
    Undecim 17 September 2019 20: 12
    +4
    Interestingly, somewhere there are verbiage championships for amateurs? The author there would be a megastar.
    Moreover, the farther the author from knowledge of the subject, the more abundant the flow of metaphors and hyperbolas.
    Therefore, his brand of custom weapons of the Moscow Arms Company Bespoke Guns turns into a holding, a "butterfly valve with three lugs" into a kind of technical mystery of the company's development, and successful copying of imported developments is a reason for pride in Russian gunsmiths and their success in mastering new technologies and directions.
    "Moscow Arms Company", founded in 2017. It is engaged in the production of long-barreled rifled weapons, mainly high-precision ones, for such types of shooting as sport shooting, sport types of hunting, such as varmint, mountain hunting. Bespoke Guns is a trademark for exclusive samples of the company, made exclusively to an individual order for a particular shooter.
    The company started with assembly operations from imported components. Gradually, the company is trying to transfer some production processes to Russia. Therefore, it is too early to talk about a "sharp" reduction in imports.
    At http://kaliber.pro/news/interv/ you can watch an interview with an employee of the company.
    1. Red_Baron
      Red_Baron 17 September 2019 23: 00
      +5
      Quote: Undecim
      Moreover, the farther the author from knowledge of the subject, the more abundant the flow of metaphors and hyperbolas.

      Just like you.
      Quote: Undecim
      "butterfly valve with three lugs" into a certain technical mystery of the company's development

      The author clearly says "It is alleged that the bolt design uses solutions spied on in SAKO Tikka and Accuracy International AW rifles."
      Quote: Undecim
      The company started with assembly operations from imported components. Gradually, the company is trying to transfer some production processes to Russia. Therefore, it is too early to talk about a "sharp" reduction in imports.

      You do not understand what is at stake. Now in this segment you can only buy imported weapons, which, after delivery, customs clearance of other procedures, acquire astronomical price tags. And any product of ours is a breath of fresh air. Let imported components, even partially ours, but more will be done with us. The point is not import substitution, but the point is that our quality is not worse, but at a lower price. Yes, the market for such weapons is not very large, but enthusiasts had no choice at all. And now he appears.
      That's why all that you wrote and tried to ironize was not at all in the topic.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 17 September 2019 23: 40
        +4
        You do not understand what is at stake.
        Can you first learn to read before knocking on the keys? Where in my commentary is it written that I am against the development of the production of high-quality and sports weapons? Can you find?
        My comment is about the author’s empty articles, which can even turn an interesting topic into an information disaster. Is it intelligible?
        1. Red_Baron
          Red_Baron 17 September 2019 23: 45
          +2
          Quote: Undecim
          Can you first learn to read before knocking on the keys?

          Let's try.
          Quote: Undecim
          Where in my commentary is it written that I am against the development of the production of high-quality and sports weapons? Can you find?

          So I didn’t write about it :)
          You understand, I repeat again. I am for development and more. But in that post after your words I wrote something else. The fact that it is produced with us. Let from imported components, let the development of others. The main opportunity is lower cost.
          Quote: Undecim
          My comment is about the author’s empty articles, which can even turn an interesting topic into an information disaster. Is it intelligible?

          completely.
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 17 September 2019 23: 48
            +5
            I am glad that we understood each other.
            1. Wildcat
              Wildcat 18 September 2019 03: 39
              +6
              It's funny that no one seems to be interested in "how it shoots"?
              Well, at least the target with holes showed, ".... the accuracy is at the level of 0,1 MOA." Again: a rifle for sports - well, let's link to a competition where someone won something with this rifle.
              Or a video: here is a shooter, here are cartridges, here is a target, here is a foreign rifle for $ 100500, here is a phantom (carbine?) For 0,100500 rubles. Everyone cries with joy, because the phantom’s target is the best target, and next to it is a mountain of game (because the carbine (why is the carbine? Is there still a full-size one?) Not only for sports, but also for hunting). All this against the background of a waterfall in which mermaids splash, which roast game on a stake fire.
              Everyone goes into the sunset.
              fellow
              And PR works well, well done. Everywhere they squeezed the Phantom, from MK to VO (I recommend to score in the search engine "phantom and bother" and you can start to be surprised). True, judging by the fact that Rentv was noted - a carbine for a beast-lizard ... wassat : "In the coming month, the company should present another new product - the Phantom Tactics rifle. It was developed specifically for high-precision long-range shooting." Where is the news about the kulak sawed-off "Phantom Strategy", which was accidentally developed, purely for photography and point-blank shooting! laughing
              Respect and respect PR.
              The height of cynicism: The term Bespoke is most often used in the sense of "tailoring men's clothing." In general, the target audience should understand that this is like with "theirs pindjaks" - everything around, except for whom it is necessary, is a little feel not with those things.
              Right Phantom for right gentlemen! laughing
              Well, how can it be without classics, for example Chekhov! Ah, those prices, tariffs and customs duties! For PR people, this is how a weapon should be promoted, in fact, without any MOA: "The last word of firearms science. Triple action, with an extractor, strikes six hundred steps, central battle. I draw your attention, monsieur, to the cleanliness of the finish. The most fashionable." system, monsieur ... Every day we sell ten for robbers, wolves and lovers. A very loyal and strong fight, strikes at a great distance and kills right through his wife and lover. As for suicides, then, monsieur, I do not know the best system ...
              ... Monsieur, I swear to God, I'm a conservative, but I'm already starting to grumble! Forgive me, the exchange rate and the customs tariff have made it so that now only the rich can acquire weapons! The poor people are left with only Tula weapons and phosphorus matches, and Tula weapons are a misfortune! You shoot your wife with a Tula revolver, and you get yourself in the shoulder blade ... "
              laughing
              1. Ka-52
                Ka-52 18 September 2019 05: 27
                +2
                Every day we sell ten for robbers, wolves and lovers. A very faithful and strong battle, hits at a great distance and kills the wife and lover right through. As for the suicides, then, Monsieur, I do not know the best system ...

                the soul rushed to paradise .... sir, how side are your lamentations about your lack of property to weapons specifications? There is a segment, there is a proposal. How much is in demand is up to the company's marketers, who calculate the sales potential. In the meantime, we are discussing the weapon itself. And for Yaroslavna's crying there are headings "News", "Opinions".
                1. Wildcat
                  Wildcat 18 September 2019 11: 00
                  +5
                  hi
                  Who you will not meet in the morning on the way to paradise ... the country of unafraid PR people and smmschikov with vapes on scooters, to which jackets, rifles "or whatever they are, carbines" to the people.
                  My dearest! Person! Sir in the morning wishes freshly ground coffee, curd mass and a bushron with dried cherries, livelier.
                  Damn, while you wait, faster myself. wink
                  As long as there is half an hour before the negotiations, I will be "indispensable" to enlightenment, that is, "free of charge", which in this story surprisingly outraged me.
                  Prologue.
                  Sometimes I read this site and sometimes, when I have to drive an hour and a half to work for 5 minutes, I also read Kalashnikov, which is a magazine.
                  The story itself.
                  So, yesterday I came across an article on VO that differed little from others created by the method of reprinting advertising information. This article. The eye caught on to clearly staged good photographs, which in fact are rare. Also, the eye caught on the text, clearly written by a person far from the subject of weapons, but competent and skillfully placing "hooks" for the reader / client. Moreover, the author clearly did not hold this weapon in his hands, did not shoot from it and is not an athlete-shooter or a hunter, since there are no references to personal experience or to the use of this weapon. "Championship in verbiage for amateurs " - you can't say better. Moreover, the number of responses (almost the same texts with the same photos - one source, someone else allows them to be published) in the search engine for the query "Bespoke and Phantom" and coverage - from MK to Rentv and even VO - gave a well-planned , conducted and paid PR action.
                  Then I was amused by the name Bespoke Guns - a term from the tailoring business, where the rich Buratina are sold costumes "made of Italian wool, twisted by 120 turns", which make "feel different". But in this case it sounds like "Clothes and a gun" or "a barrel and panties". Such ideas are born in heads, burdened with vapes, framed with glasses, a mustache and a beard (haircut once every 2 weeks, oil, combs) and which (heads) I have to enlighten not the topic of real life, loudly bring to them the truth-uterus and generally crush with intellect. I quickly threw the above post about not .... (there is nothing) to promote something that you do not understand, weapons are not clothes and decorated everything with a quote from Chekhov, from which PR people / SMMs should take an example, and not mess around, throwing the same text in every iron.
                  And this morning I opened the Kalashnikov magazine, so what? The worst fears were justified. Bespoke and there: the Moscow arms company received new members (not disclosed), became "part of a holding that produces premium goods for men." This is where the ears of PR people and SMMs stick out, and the concept of "clothes and a gun" becomes a reality laughing An article on the Kalashnikov website is indicated, but so far only available in paper form.
                  Speaking of marketers - they probably also dragged to the participants the report, quickly concocted, in which "we researched the market, sample - 100500 people, is representative; our client - every second man in the world, from 16 to 60, dreams of a premium gun, big synergy is outlined if guns with premium panties are sold."
                  Epilogue.
                  The company, which seems to be making good rifles, has new members, PR and SMM. As my sad experience shows (I somehow had to close a similar enterprise near Tula recourse ) when such people appear over technicians with burning eyes ... in general, it’s good if the equipment and people are saved. Will work while new members money or interest in clothing and weapons will not end.
                  "The Kalabukhov house has disappeared. ... Everything will be like clockwork. First, there is singing every evening, then the pipes in the toilets will freeze, then the boiler in the steam heating will burst, and so on. Cover for Kalabukhov."
                  1. Red_Baron
                    Red_Baron 18 September 2019 15: 43
                    +1
                    You know, against the background of your posts, I realized that the article was very good.
                    All that you blame the author is inherent in you many times more. Moreover, you also repeat the same thing many times over. More hysteria, more text, and meaning, but who needs it.
                2. haron
                  haron 18 September 2019 11: 50
                  +2
                  Quote: Ka-52
                  while we are discussing the weapon itself.

                  The fact of the matter is that for a natural discussion in the article information with Gulkin nose. For discussion do reviews of specific samples with a discussion of all the results. And in the preamble they give out all the equipment.
                  There is advertising, But Wildeket has pointed out to you, albeit with the words of a classic, that advertising is not done like that, there are such articles about the device and they are similar. For example, only on those photos you can give quite a bit of information, starting from the cartridge, fitting the metric sizes of some basic deials to a specific cartridge (individuality) and ending with the material.
                  Agree that in the profile site, articles should be more professional.
                  It's my personal opinion.
                  1. Wildcat
                    Wildcat 18 September 2019 13: 16
                    +2
                    Quote: haron
                    Quote: Ka-52
                    while we are discussing the weapon itself.

                    The fact of the matter is that for a natural discussion in the article information with Gulkin nose. For discussion do reviews of specific samples with a discussion of all the results. And in the preamble they give out all the equipment.
                    There is advertising, But Wildeket has pointed out to you, albeit with the words of a classic, that advertising is not done like that, there are such articles about the device and they are similar. For example, only on those photos you can give quite a bit of information, starting from the cartridge, fitting the metric sizes of some basic deials to a specific cartridge (individuality) and ending with the material.
                    Agree that in the profile site, articles should be more professional.
                    It's my personal opinion.

                    If there is time, in the evening I will send "rays of happiness" directly from the photographs to the "designers" of Bespoke Guns: there are different options for weapon stocks, but with corners and a smooth surface - I see this for the first time, good people, has anyone seen this and does anyone know why ?! The notch on the stock and the orthopedic butt was invented by a weakling, of course, who is afraid of difficulties ...
                    I send a special hello to Bespoka Guns to PR people and SMMs who should be ... strengthened: where did your parents give you education? When you come up with names, do you dream of capturing Western markets in spite of the sanctions? Are you aware, the authors of the names of premium goods, that the name of the rifle "Bastard" in "everyday speech in English-speaking countries is used as a curse word (corresponds to the Russian words" u .... ok "," geek ") (Wikipedia)" ?!
                    1. haron
                      haron 20 September 2019 13: 53
                      +1
                      Quote: Wildcat
                      Besokoke hansas: there are different versions of weapons stocks, but so that with corners and a smooth surface - this is the first time I've seen this, people are kind, has anyone seen this and does anyone know why ?!

                      This is for stealth in the rays that you are going to send.
                      But seriously. Questions of beauty and taste are very subjective. And since the market segment of this rifle has nothing in common (more precisely, it has but a little) with functionality and reliability, that’s why former aircraft models cannot be used in stealth technologies of individual long barrels.
                  2. Ka-52
                    Ka-52 19 September 2019 05: 20
                    +1
                    Agree that in the profile site, articles should be more professional.
                    It's my personal opinion.

                    your words are no more meaningful and informative than the words of the author. The fact is that most authors are amateurs. They write articles based on information pulled from various sources, diluting them with their half-digested speculations. I, a retired military pilot, are sometimes shocked by articles on aviation, sometimes into a state of unrestrained laughter. But such a la vie. But I understand that VO is not "Scientific Notes of TsAGI", but rather entertaining interactive reading fellow
                3. Red_Baron
                  Red_Baron 18 September 2019 15: 40
                  0
                  Judging by his posts, a person is bad or already very good. So looking for logic is useless.
                  1. Wildcat
                    Wildcat 18 September 2019 16: 42
                    +2
                    There is a lot of free time winked
  12. Svarog
    Svarog 17 September 2019 20: 28
    0
    It looks very beautiful, which is beautiful, it can’t be bad, you just want to hold it in your hands .. but it’s better to shoot.
  13. beeper
    beeper 17 September 2019 21: 26
    +10
    In order to enter the market already captured and mastered by other producers with your own similar product and try to win back even a small "segment", you need to "stand out" with some kind of real or "sucked out of your finger" commodity "chip" - this is a general rule! yes
    Such is the "sucked" "trick" - "goofy bullshit" for "fraers (who" love shine ", as they once did, back in pre- and" perestroika ", my subordinates, from the former" s / c ", laughed cheerfully, who made "to order" for the "cool" factory bosses all kinds of knives made of ordinary soft "stainless steel" absolutely not "holding sharpening", but easily brought to a mirror shine or "scales", with beautiful inlaid and carved handles ....) ", in my opinion, and with this "protective box" ??!
    After all, there is no "wrong" grip! Each shooter has individual anthropometric data and what is convenient in the rifle stock and, on the first try, suits one shooter well, the other, according to feelings, will be uncomfortable and "bad", which will have to be difficult to adapt to, if it is impossible to alter the stock rifles individually for yourself!
    When developing mass products, such as, for example, the Kalashnikov assault rifle, the "ergonomic parameters" of the butt, grip and forend were developed and assigned based on the average statistical data on the "biomechanics" of the bulk of the then recruits and the "correct grip" was regulated by the Manual on shooting from the AK, but that doesn't mean the stock length was "right" for all shooters! So it is with this supposedly universal "correct" lodge! winked

    As a design engineer, technologist, toolmaker, machine operator of a wide profile, who has devoted almost half a century to mechanical engineering and has worked for many decades, including with his own hands carrying out "from scratch" and "bringing to mind" his own and other people's developments, in the instrumental, stamping and modeling production associated with foundry and injection molding machines, it is quite obvious to me that it is quite obvious to me that it is quite obvious to me that it is much, much easier, faster and cheaper to manufacture and control the size of a mold for making a plastic stock with flat edges than the same, but with difficult-to-match radius curves. The same is true when processing stocks from an "array" on CNC machines.
    Apparently the capabilities of a company that carries out selective assembly (this is usually the name of the method of small-scale locksmith assembly of mating parts with a given accuracy, and albeit with a "micron" method of selection "manually" from ready-made, pre-sorted by their actual size), fitting and fine-tuning of these parts. rifles, so far they do not allow the production of full-fledged rifle lodges and for the period of market "promotion" they launched this (in my opinion, even visually flat-inconvenient) "biomechanical enticement" for "esthetic" owners of tight wallets, who like to show off to the same "elitists" exclusive ", the" segment "of which this company is clearly" oriented ", since it transparently" hints "at a" solid price " smile ?!
    And with "specially equipped (with a grain of gunpowder counted and chiseled bullets of the same weight and size, fitted to the same size according to the chamber pattern, bullets in exactly the same size and with the same tightness, inserted into the cartridge case, ... in short, what to list in detail, on the Web there is an excellent, soundly translated from English into Russian, "The Book of Rifle Accuracy", I forgot the name of the author, an experienced benchwrestler, but arrows from rifles and pistols, who are interested in knowing about shooting and weapons more, I recommend finding and read, the book is written fascinatingly, simply and clearly, you will not regret it, I myself was surprised by the subtleties described and much of my past shooting experience cleared up, although before reading it I thought arrogantly that I already knew too much on the topic of weapons and shooting from them smile ) and prepared cartridges ", I am sure that even the" gross "AK taken directly from the assembly line will also show by no means" gross "accuracy, although the cartridges will come out" golden "! winked
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 17 September 2019 23: 57
      +4
      Hello to fellow Cat. hi

      Shoot with "prepared cartridges" ... clean after each shot, do not wet, do not dust, do not knock, no-no-no ... etc. And after firing a non-standard cartridge, throw away nafig.

      This is exactly for the nouveau riche, who scramble in front of each other with new cars and mistresses. And it’s better for us that it’s easier, we are not proud people, we are practical.

      All the best and health, buddy! drinks
      1. beeper
        beeper 18 September 2019 00: 58
        +3
        hi Good Health, Friend Sea Cat!
        Most of all, this "striking imagination", but absolutely dimensionless, "micron accuracy" finishes me, and when a compiled product, which is strained from a pine forest, is clearly presented as a kind of sacred exclusive, and the cheap stuff "what happened" is trying to sniff the rich "little girls" "like a precious" cunningly conceived by biomechanics-futuristic "... in such cases I remember those old craftsmen of mine, recidivists (during the break between the" walkers "), how they, laughing cheerfully, answered me about openly bullshit, but - "rastsyatskovanyh" knives and knives that they personally, behind my back (they say, that your boss does not know about this, no, no! smile ), ordered our "red director" and, his rival in everything, our chief engineer, for themselves, servants and their many acquaintances - "they love blёsk!" smile
        Well-being and Peaceful Sky above your head, Comrade Konstantin!
        drinks
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        1. Catfish
          Catfish 18 September 2019 17: 16
          +2
          Greetings, Buddy Sanchez! hi
          Thanks for the info, but I would prefer something simpler like AK, or Stg. drinks
          1. san4es
            san4es 18 September 2019 17: 51
            +1
            ... But in my opinion, even from a slingshot laughing
            .... preferred something simpler like AK

            ... Just yesterday ... only from Saiga, I was shot. drinks
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 18 September 2019 18: 00
              +2
              In-in, only the barrel is more authentic and the "seven" cartridge is the best variation.
  14. Red_Baron
    Red_Baron 17 September 2019 23: 04
    +1
    Great carabiner. I would just like in different versions, most are still not high-tech fans. In general, the domestic civilian weapons market is very depressing. Often, imported products have no alternative. And the prices are huge. Therefore, any appearance of anything of good quality and most importantly prices, if it is lower than substantially imported products, is extremely correct and necessary.
    Gauges must also be mastered differently.
    1. san4es
      san4es 18 September 2019 14: 54
      +1
      Quote: Red_Baron
      .... I just would like in different versions, most are still not high-tech fans ..


      Custom amigo rifle hi
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 18 September 2019 17: 17
        +2
        The pink color finished off completely. It is interesting to know if they have an option in blue color?
        1. san4es
          san4es 18 September 2019 17: 53
          +1
          ... In blue, it is definitely there .... By the link above. Costomizing pancake fellow
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 18 September 2019 18: 01
            +2
            I climbed the link, didn’t find anything, I don’t know how to search, I guess. smile
  15. cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 17 September 2019 23: 33
    +1
    My opinion. Why is the usual "sniper" Mosinka bad? what Don't like a wooden bed? - replace with "quality plastic" good . Is the clip obsolete? - attach a store good . Do the trunk on modern machines, assemble quality good . What else do you need? - a foreign brand? - love domestic ...
  16. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 17 September 2019 23: 55
    +1
    I look at the photo ... the trunk is down - if you do not want to get a full barrel of water.
  17. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 18 September 2019 00: 20
    0
    Thanks to the "Chinese brothers"? Have you taught how to "design" correctly? what
    1. Ka-52
      Ka-52 18 September 2019 05: 37
      +1
      Thanks to the "Chinese brothers"? Have you taught how to "design" correctly?

      hehe, but what's wrong? feel the Germans themselves dyuzuvali one interesting system a couple of years ago. Today it has been modernized and recycled several times. Our last modernization of 40 percent surpasses the German in all respects. In fact, only the general concept remained from the source. But she was very useful to us for a kick start good
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 18 September 2019 07: 41
        0
        Quote: Ka-52
        hehe, but what's wrong?

        I say: "thank you ..."! wink
  18. ssergey1978
    ssergey1978 18 September 2019 16: 10
    0
    What kind of cartridge the bullet of which accelerates in a 406 mm barrel to 930ms. Only 223 rem. Come to mind, but it has more than 1 km of effective range. 3 combat emphasis on high-precision what is this? The manager wrote IMHO
  19. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 9 October 2019 20: 27
    0
    as the hero of Bykov said ... Maestro ... can’t but Mogem))) ... good news ... we master technologies ...
  20. Nikolay Lesnoy
    Nikolay Lesnoy 6 December 2019 00: 42
    0
    I could not pass by: I love such a design in weapons and mots! .. Carbon, metal, chrome plating! .. At least a hundred were thrown over the collection for "collectors", I'm not talking about the series ... (Without politics: beautiful weapons!)