War with history. In Prague, intend to move a monument to Marshal Konev

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In Europe, the “war with history". The members of the Prague-6 district council decided to transfer the latter among the Prague monuments to Soviet commanders and political figures - to Marshal Konev who had liberated the city in 1945. In its place, obviously, they will erect a new monument to the liberation of Prague, the "liberators", without specifying which ones. That is, it can be Vlasov people who supported the Prague uprising on May 5 of the 1945 of the year, and Americans who attacked from the west.

War with history. In Prague, intend to move a monument to Marshal Konev

Residents of Prague welcome Marshal I.S. Konev, commander of the 1-m Ukrainian Front, whose troops liberated Prague from German troops 9-12 on May 1945




The diplomatic row


Czech and Russian diplomats quarreled over a decision of the Prague-6 district council, which was adopted on September 12: remove a monument to liberated Prague from Nazi troops Marshal Konev from one of the central squares. The monument to Ivan Stepanovich Konev on the Prague Square of the Inter-Brigade was erected in the 1980 year, on the 35-year anniversary of the liberation of the Czech capital by the troops of the 1-th Ukrainian Front. They want to move the monument, perhaps, to one of the museums, or transfer it to the Russian embassy, ​​and put a monument to the liberators of Prague in the vacant place. And according to the information of the Czech President Milos Zeman, local authorities want to build underground garages on the vacated spot.

Meanwhile, this topic has been discussed for several years in Prague and Moscow. In recent years, Soviet monuments (including the monument to Marshal) and the burial places of Soviet soldiers have repeatedly been subjected to acts of vandalism. So, the monument to Konev was doused with paint in 2014 and 2017 years. The Russian Foreign Ministry regularly makes relevant statements. The current scandal surrounding the monument began after, in August, on the anniversary of the entry of Soviet troops into Czechoslovakia in 1968, the monument was again desecrated. The authorities of the Prague-6 district at first did not want to put the monument in order, since considerable budgetary funds had to be spent on cleaning and repair. Then it was reported that since the residents of Prague negatively perceive the image of Konev, then it must be transferred to the territory of the Russian embassy.

The Russian Foreign Ministry expressed indignation at the “cynical decision” of the municipal authorities of the Prague-6 region on the transfer of the monument to the Soviet Marshal, under whose command the troops of the 1-th Ukrainian Front liberated Prague in May 1945. The Foreign Ministry also expressed regret that local authorities did not pay attention to calls by the Czech leadership and the public to prevent such an event. It is noted that this step will be a violation of the provisions of the bilateral Treaty on friendly relations and cooperation of 26 on August 1993.

Minister of Culture of the Russian Federation Vladimir Medinsky said that the monument to the Soviet commander was made by Czech sculptors with the money of citizens in gratitude for the fact that Konev forbade the use of bomber when liberating Prague and other cities of Czechoslovakia Aviation and large-caliber artillery (preserving ancient cities), and the "politicians of a district scale" forgot what their grandfathers and great-grandfathers fought for. Freeing Prague, about 12 thousand Soviet soldiers died. Medinsky called the head of the Prague-6 district Ondrzej Kolář “a local gauler” because of the decision to move the monument. A member of the Federation Council’s committee on international affairs, Sergei Tsekov, even proposed imposing economic sanctions against the Czech Republic because of this situation.

Russian Ambassador to Prague Alexander Zmeevsky was invited to the Czech Foreign Ministry and expressed protest "Against the untruthful and insulting statements of a member of the Russian government against the head of the Prague-6 district." Czech Deputy Foreign Minister for Foreign Affairs, Ales Hmelarg, noted that the Treaty on Friendly Relations and Cooperation between Russia and the Czech Republic implies mutual respect and equality. In addition, the question of the monument to the Soviet commander is an internal affair of the Czech Republic. Prague also warned against the abuse of history and fanning of passions for political purposes. The Russian ambassador Zmeevsky himself, after meeting with Khmelarg, said that he rejected the claims of the Czech Foreign Ministry, which had previously avoided this issue, which led to the decision of the Prague-6 council.

In the Czech Republic itself there is no unity on this issue. So, Czech President Milos Zeman said that the decision of the authorities of Prague-6 disgraces the country. Konev is a symbol of tens of thousands of Red Army soldiers who died liberating Czechoslovakia and Prague from Nazi troops. Czech Deputy Prime Minister Jan Gamacek proposed holding a referendum on the monument among residents of Prague and, in general, advocated maintaining it in its former place. The Czech Communists also defended the Konev monument in Prague. The Communist Party of Bohemia and Moravia opposed the removal of the monument and asked the government to preserve the monument to the Marshal at Interbrigade Square in Prague-6.


Residents of Prague greet Soviet troops on tank T-34-85


The liberation of Prague and Vlasov


It is worth noting that the myth prevails in Czech public consciousness that Prague was liberated by fighters of the Russian Liberation Army (ROA) under the command of General Vlasov, and not the Red Army. The version that the capital of Czechoslovakia was not liberated by Soviet troops, but by the Vlasovites, was created by Western propaganda back in the years of the Cold War. It was voiced by Western historians and the famous anti-Soviet writer and writer Alexander Solzhenitsyn. He called the Russian collaborators as "genuine" liberators of Prague in the first volume of the Gulag Archipelago.

What really happened? In 1941 — 1944 Czechoslovakia was generally calm. The Czechs worked at defense enterprises and strengthened the power of the Third Reich, and the Slovaks even fought for Hitler. However, in the winter 1944 — 1945. the situation on the borders of Czechoslovakia has changed dramatically. The Red Army, with the support of the 1th Czechoslovak Army Corps and Slovak partisans, launched an offensive in southeastern Slovakia. The uprising began in Slovakia. New partisan detachments formed, and old ones expanded. New bands were moving weapon and equipment from territory controlled by the Red Army. The partisan movement arose in the Czech Republic. Here the main role belonged to the partisans, who were transferred from Slovakia and the territory liberated by Soviet troops. In particular, a partisan brigade named after Jan ижižka broke into Moravia with heavy fighting from Slovakia.

In January-February of 1945, the troops of the 4-th Ukrainian Front marched on the territory of Poland and Czechoslovakia on 175-225 km, reached the upper reaches of the Vistula River and the Moravian-Ostrava industrial region. About 2 thousand settlements were liberated. The troops of the right wing of the 2-th Ukrainian Front advanced in Czechoslovakia at 40-100 km, reaching the river Gron. 10 March 1944 year troops 4-th UV under the command of A. I. Eremenko began the Moravian-Ostavsky operation. The Germans had a powerful defense in this direction, which was facilitated by the terrain. Therefore, the operation was delayed. Only 30 of April liberated the city of Moravsk-Ostrava. In early May, fighting continued for the complete liberation of the Moravian-Ostrava industrial region.

Meanwhile, the troops of the 2 UV under the command of R. Ya. Malinovsky conducted the Bratislava-Brnovsk operation. Our troops crossed the Gron river, broke through the enemy defenses, on April 4 they liberated Bratislava. Then the Red Army crossed Morava, on April 26 liberated Brno - the second most important and largest city in Czechoslovakia. As a result, the Bratislava and Brno industrial areas were cleared of the Nazis.

Thus, the Soviet armies completely liberated Slovakia, most of Moravia, with stubborn battles fought about 200 km. German troops suffered a number of serious defeats, lost important industrial centers, military factories, sources of raw materials. The troops of the 4 and 2 of the Ukrainian fronts took advantageous positions for an attack from the east and south by a large enemy group, which retreated to the western part of Czechoslovakia. At the same time, during the Berlin operation, the left wing of the 1-th Ukrainian Front reached the foothills of the Sudetenland. Soviet troops occupied Cottbus, Spremberg, and reached the Elbe in the Torgau region. That is, the foundations were created for an attack on the Prague direction from the north and north-west. American troops went to the western border of Czechoslovakia.


Residents of Prague welcome soldiers of the 1th Infantry Division of the ROA


Prague Uprising


The defeat of Nazi Germany and the withdrawal of Allied forces on the far approaches to Prague caused the activation of the local resistance movement. It was decided to hold a loud rally in the capital. Both the National Democratic forces, oriented to the West, and the Czech Communists were interested in the uprising. Nationalists and democrats hoped to liberate Prague on their own, to create the basis for the return of the Czechoslovak government in exile. They hoped for the support of the American army, which at the beginning of May 1945 was 80 km from Prague. The Czech Communists wanted to prevent competitors from seizing power to occupy a dominant position in the capital at the time of the appearance of the Red Army.

In early May 1945, the first unrest began. The Germans in Prague did not have a powerful garrison, so they could not crush the uprising at the root. On May 5, a general uprising began; large plants of the city became its core. The rebels captured the most important objects, including the main stations and most of the bridges across the Vltava. During this period, the rebels entered into negotiations with the ROA, with the commander of the 1 division General S. Bunyachenko. Russian collaborators went west to surrender to the Americans. However, there were doubts whether the Americans of the Red Army would betray them. It was necessary to prove to the West that the ROA was fighting not only with the USSR, but also with the Third Reich, its usefulness. Bunyachenko and other commanders asked the Czechs to provide them with political asylum. In exchange, they promised military support. Vlasov himself did not believe in this adventure, but he did not interfere. Vlasovites helped the rebels in Prague in the battles of 5 — 6 in May, but as a result did not receive guarantees. In addition, it became known that the Americans would not come to Prague. On the night of May 8, ROA troops left their positions and began to leave the city. And they left the city to the west along with the Germans with whom they had just fought.

For the German command, Prague was of great importance. It was the center of the roads along which Army Group Center troops retreated west to surrender to the Americans. Therefore, Field Marshal Sherner threw significant forces to storm Prague. The Wehrmacht attacked Prague from the north, east and south. At the same time, German troops intensified, which were still held in the city itself. The rebels were doomed to defeat. The Czech National Radio Council has made a desperate request for help to the countries of the anti-Hitler coalition. The Americans at that time were about 70 km from the Czech capital and were not going to move on, as there was an agreement with Moscow that the Russians should occupy the city.

The Soviet high command decided to help the rebels. On May 6 on May 1945, the strike force of the troops of the 1-th Ukrainian Front under the command of Konev turned to Prague. Also in the Prague direction, the troops of the 2 and 4 UV were launched. The 3 and 4 I guards tank armies of the 1 UV on the night of 9 on May made a swift 80 kilometer-long march and broke into the capital of Czechoslovakia on the morning of 9 on May. On the same day, the advanced units of the 2 and 4 UVs reached Prague. The city was cleared of the Nazis. The main forces of the German group were encircled in the area east of Prague. On 10-11 on May the Germans capitulated. Czechoslovakia was liberated, and Soviet troops came into contact with the Americans.

Thus, the decision of the municipal authorities to transfer the monument to Konev is another act of the information war of the West against Russia, rewriting the history of the Second World War and history as a whole. The current position of official Moscow with its “indignation” and “regrets” cannot change anything. In the West, as in the East, only the strong are respected. The USSR was respected in the world, but the Russian Federation was not. This is also connected with the policy of the Kremlin itself, where they insult the Soviet past, hush it up, tarnish the name of Stalin, or try to rely on the Great Victory in the upbringing of patriotism. In Russia itself, there is always an attempt to “rewrite” history, to turn Kolchak, Denikin, Mannerheim, Krasnov and Vlasov into heroes, to remove the memory of Lenin and Stalin, Soviet civilization, away. The mausoleum during the Victory Parade is bashfully covered with plywood with rags. It is not surprising that in the West, in Europe we are constantly mixed with mud. In the Russian Federation there is no imperial ideology, social justice and respect for the memory of the Red Empire, only the ideology of the “golden calf” and Western liberalism. With this attitude towards one's own past, one should not expect anything good from Europe.


The President of Czechoslovakia, E. Benes, holds an award ceremony for the Soviet commanders-liberators of Czechoslovakia. From left to right: Marshal Ivan Stepanovich Konev, Army General Andrei Ivanovich Eremenko and Colonel-General of Tank Forces Pavel Semenovich Rybalko. Photo source: http://waralbum.ru
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  1. +4
    17 September 2019 05: 37

    Someone is struggling with this decision, but there are few of them.
    1. +2
      17 September 2019 19: 29
      Respect to the guy!
  2. +7
    17 September 2019 05: 54
    "The question of the monument to the Soviet commander is an internal matter of the Czech Republic." What? The personality of the marshal is our honor. Get his dirty paws away from him!
    1. +8
      17 September 2019 07: 23
      Our liberals began to play in the tolerasts !!!!!! In this century, they fumbled, searched for Czech burial places, and wholly memorials opened white whales in Siberia. And now here is the answer!
      All this is due to disrespect for the Russian Federation, which is scolding its past.
      1. +2
        17 September 2019 09: 21
        Quote: Reptiloid
        In this century they fumbled, searched for Czech burial places, wholly in full of monuments they opened white whales in Siberia. And now here is the answer!

        And I repeat myself again and again, "Why was it necessary to free them from Hitler, because they liked it in the Reich, and still like it."
        1. +3
          17 September 2019 09: 42
          What to do?
          Quote: tihonmarine
          ...... And I repeat myself once again, "Why was it necessary to free them from Hitler, because they liked it in the Reich, and still like it."
          the past cannot be returned ..... But ---- "you can change your attitude towards it" ---- there is such an expression. Exactly at our country began to change their attitude to their past. Now we are reaping the result, it is worth recalling how before May 9 liberal liberals begin to cry in our country.
          1. +5
            17 September 2019 10: 19
            Quote: Reptiloid
            Now we are reaping the result, it is worth recalling how, before 9May, liberal ohai begin in our country

            We saw on TV how they draped the Mausoleum with a blue rag, only the Chinese were indignant. Not remembering ............
            1. +2
              17 September 2019 19: 29
              And who could not see that Mausoleum draped? request Probably the first time at 14? Or 13? After all, the Chinese also have a Mausoleum. Never draped. And the flags are red. And three Chinese people cleaned up a staff member last year, they broke his nose for bad words about Stalin. --------good
          2. 0
            29 November 2019 08: 19
            A worthy response would be to erect a monument to the initiator of the disgrace Pavel Novotny near the embassy. "The headman of the Rzeporje district is a well-known figure in the Czech Republic. All his previous life, Pavel Petrovich Novotny, born in 1981, the son of a local actor and comedian, worked in the yellow press. He is a participant in various entertaining TV shows. , and once won a television poker tournament, and played there in dark glasses with a dummy of a male genital organ on his forehead. "So capture him. Give his name to the embassy area.
          3. 0
            April 9 2020 18: 52
            Quote: Reptiloid
            What to do?

            A petition was published on the transfer of the monument to Marshal Chuikov. I ask all who care about our heroes to support her.
            Family for transferring the monument to Marshal of the Soviet Union Ivan Konev from Prague (Czech Republic) to Moscow.

            https://www.change.org/p/президент-рф-семья-за-перенос-памятника-маршала-советского-союза-ивана-конева-из-праги-чехия-в-москву?recruiter=199668476&recruited_by_id=19d6a4a0-8861-11e4-b037-4fad79a70f2d
        2. 0
          17 September 2019 13: 03
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Why it was necessary to free them from Hitler, because they liked the Reich

          Not quite so, Hitler considered the Czechs the most dangerous of the Slavs, he had such an opinion from a young age, since in Austria the Czechs literally disappeared among the Austrians.
          Hitler himself did not feel such hatred for the Czechs as for the Poles or Romanians, but he considered them, the Czechs, enemies.
          1. 0
            17 September 2019 19: 48
            Quote: bober1982
            Hitler himself did not feel such hatred for the Czechs as for the Poles or Romanians, but he considered them, the Czechs, enemies.

            But according to the behavior of the Czechs now, they did not consider themselves as such.
          2. +1
            18 September 2019 14: 42
            Most likely due to the fact that they massively surrendered to the Russian Imperial Army and a formation was created that fought on the side of the Republic of Ingushetia and the Entente.
        3. +1
          17 September 2019 18: 36
          I think you are right, in most countries it is simply accepted, "under the pressure of circumstances", to call it liberation, but most likely many of the "liberated" countries were satisfied with everything and they can be more logically attributed to the defeated, then everything is logical, and explains a lot
    2. +4
      17 September 2019 09: 21
      It does not matter whose general it is, what matters is that thanks to this man Prague remained intact and a lot of Czechs did not die, perhaps this geek who started this performance lives thanks to Konev. One of my acquaintances, whose grandfather put things in order in the Czech Republic in 1968, said - "Czechs are not a nation, Czechs are a profession." It all started not yesterday, but much later, when the monument to the liberators was painted pink. It was necessary to immediately evacuate all the monuments and burials to the Motherland, and leave this whole circus of freaks to themselves. And let's sign some kind of intergovernmental agreement on monuments .... They don't need all this, the Americans and the Vlasovites liberated them, so let them free them next time. All this applies to Poland and other "brothers".
      1. 0
        17 September 2019 09: 48
        professionsay? Well, yes, with reduced social responsibility ..... whoever dines, he dances ....
      2. -1
        17 September 2019 14: 38
        Quote: EwgenyZ
        It doesn’t matter whose general it is, it is important that thanks to this man Prague remained intact and did not die a lot of Czechs, perhaps this geekwho started this performance lives thanks to Konev.

        Ehhhh ... request

        Not "a geek, but a clever man who, as a sign demolition protest -Chained himself in chains to the monument, they say, "I won't let you demolish!" hi
        1. 0
          17 September 2019 15: 58
          Quote: Olgovich
          Not "a geek, but a clever man who, as a sign demolition protest -Chained himself in chains to the monument, they say, "I won't let you demolish!" hi

          I’m not talking about Him, but about Ondřej Kolář, this is the headman of the Prague-6 district, who organized all this "show". That guy in the photo, as they say, "respect and respect", but I said everything about the headman.
          1. 0
            17 September 2019 16: 17
            Quote: EwgenyZ
            I’m not talking about Him, but about Ondřej Kolář, this is the headman of the Prague-6 district, who organized all this "show". That guy in the photo, as they say, "respect and respect", but I said everything about the headman.

            Sorry, I showed that you are addressing a response to a comment with a "photo with chains". hi
    3. +3
      17 September 2019 19: 33
      Quote: 210ox
      "The question of the monument to the Soviet commander is an internal matter of the Czech Republic." What? The personality of the marshal is our honor. Get his dirty paws away from him!

      Dmitry welcome! hi Anyway, we will not wait for a decent answer from our authorities to this vandalism, there will be Lavrov's plaintive whine on duty and Mashenka's crying "Stalin is worse than Hitler" Zakharova, nothing more. Because those who paint over the monument to Konev are no different from those who build Yeltsin centers in their country, walls of sorrow and erect monuments to Solzhenitsyn ...
  3. -1
    17 September 2019 06: 03
    Well, if you want to build underground parking lots, what prevents you from putting a monument back after all the work?
    1. +5
      17 September 2019 06: 13
      Polish show-offs.
      PiSi: It seems to me that the monument in Katyn - for a long time - is completely superfluous
      1. +5
        17 September 2019 07: 38
        historically unjustified i would say
      2. +2
        17 September 2019 07: 49
        Quote: RWMos
        Polish show-offs.

        Prague, as if the capital in the Czech Republic
        1. -1
          17 September 2019 08: 15
          And, well, yes, I’m slowing my sleep, and in general I can’t stand the geography from school ... Well, with these even better - scribblers are spread all over the country to white whales, wetted in Siberia.
      3. 0
        17 September 2019 09: 48
        Quote: RWMos
        It seems to me that the monument in Katyn - for a long time - is completely superfluous

        All the same, dead people in Katyn, and in Prague, a monument to the Liberator is demolished, refuting our Victory.
  4. -1
    17 September 2019 06: 21
    They want to lick someone well.
  5. +1
    17 September 2019 06: 25
    Why wonder? For Eastern Europe, the USSR has always been perceived as an alien country. One 1968th of what is worth. Among the intelligentsia was full of Russophobia a la Milan Kundera.
    The Russian Federation is not the USSR, nor Israel; it is "embarrassed" to assert national memory outside its borders.
  6. +7
    17 September 2019 06: 27
    Here's what's interesting, from the point of view of all this "Eastern European" shellon, the USSR is really an invader: they worked hard for the Germans for good salaries and rations, without even imitating resistance (like the brave French, they showed a fig to the invaders without taking their hands out of their pockets)! and then they had to "work hard on the Union" ... while living better and more interesting than their liberators. How many vain victims did the USSR suffered when it really liberated them from the plague ... but could, like the Americans, cover with a carpet of bombs, and order ! like in yapia, but now they are best friends. now all these "liberated" have a different direction, like bulgaria. the wind has changed ...
    1. 0
      17 September 2019 10: 03
      Quote: polar fox
      what is interesting, from the point of view of all this "Eastern European" shellonie, the USSR is really an invader

      All Europolitics are based on this, old people remembering the truth leave, and young people "hang noodles on their ears." They want us to believe the same in this nonsense.
    2. 0
      17 September 2019 12: 41
      and then they had to "work hard on the Union" ... while living better and more interesting than their liberators.


      But now they live better and more interesting. What is a trend? Or maybe the problem in your poorer life is buried in the Kremlin? Such a huge and richest power, 1/7 of the earthly world, for 30 years now you have not "contained" anyone, everything is based on trade and economy, there are no brothers, there are no Republics of the USSR or Eastern Europe ... how to China ...
      1. 0
        17 September 2019 15: 10
        Quote: Keyser Soze
        But now they live better and more interesting.

        And what is so interesting about them? Gay, come on? Yes Tell me!
        Quote: Keyser Soze
        Or maybe the problem in your poorer life is buried in the Kremlin? Such a huge and richest power, 1/7 of the earthly world, for 30 years now you have not "contained" anyone, everything is based on trade and economy, there are no brothers, there are no Republics of the USSR or Eastern Europe ... how to China ...


        Too many hundreds of billion dollars. invested in Bulgaria and others. Hungary. Instead deserved their indemnities are a hundred years in advance. Stupidity was done, yes.

        But Russians live longer and better than 30 years ago.

        And- whether Bulgaria, with its youth escaping from the country, rapidly dying populations, wild unemployment, ask Russia? belay

        2018: Bulgaria in clinical demographic death she dies… We the fastest disappearing nation in the world... ", - academician Petr Ivanov.


        A "success" story, yes .....
        1. -2
          18 September 2019 12: 04
          And what is so interesting about them? Gay, come on? yes Tell!


          Andrei .... well, I did not expect such a tacit remark from you. Open and see the statistics for gays - they are evenly distributed everywhere. You might think that you are all hetero .... laughing

          What is interesting about them? Yes, I will leave you the pleasure of visiting Prague and see for yourself.

          Too many hundreds of billion dollars. invested in Bulgaria and others. Hungary.


          Give at least one document on these attachments. He will serve me - and here here (and throughout Eastern Europe) people, like you, say that the USSR lived on their hump and sucked everything out of the country.

          If you have not subsidized anyone over the past 30 years, then your country must already be a paradise on earth. And here, again to the standards of the Czech Republic, Poland, and even to ours - again you do not hold out. Your beloved friends from Poland think minimal to make 925 euros. How do you like this?

          And- whether Bulgaria, with its youth escaping from the country, rapidly dying populations, wild unemployment, ask Russia?


          Unemployment in Bulgaria - 5% for 2019. Below yours. That's the whole reliability of your information - Ren TV style ...
          Our population is not shrinking as hard as yours, so you can be quiet for a bit.

          We are the fastest disappearing nation in the world ... ”, - Academician Petr Ivanov.


          Well, there is no Academician Pyotr Ivanov in Bulgaria. Give a link, help, biography. It is you who produce the falsity of academicians in every Darkness and then read them as reliable information.
          1. 0
            18 September 2019 13: 16
            Quote: Keyser Soze
            Andrei .... well, I did not expect such a tacit remark from you. Open and see the statistics for gays - they are evenly distributed everywhere. You might think that everything is hetero ...

            we don’t have them - on the streets and on the screen. This is the main thing
            Quote: Keyser Soze
            What is interesting about them? Yes, I will leave you the pleasure of visiting Prague and see for yourself.

            Well, Prague, well, kwa. So what? And there he was, and in France, Germany, Denmark, Poland, etc. Everywhere, the same people.
            Quote: Keyser Soze
            Give at least one document on these attachments. He will serve me - and here here (and throughout Eastern Europe) people, like you, say that the USSR lived on their hump and sucked everything out of the country.

            Bulgaria // Soviet Historical Encyclopedia / redkoll., Ch. ed. E. M. Zhukov. volume 2. M., State Scientific Publishing House "Soviet Encyclopedia", TSB -there you will find dozens of power plants, learn about the construction of the Kremikovsky Metallurgical Plant and the Maritsa-Vostok TPP, food production, etc.
            However, I’m not going to convince. You can assume that you have built nothing. I do not care.
            Quote: Keyser Soze
            If you don’t subsidize anyone in the last 30 years, then your country must already be an earthly paradise.

            Nonsense, where is he, is there a paradise?
            Quote: Keyser Soze
            And here, to the standards of the Czech Republic, Poland

            How much did they give Poland - $ 140 billion from the EU and the USA? So what has it to do with ... Poland? "Sucks" from the USA "- so the Polish Minister of Foreign Affairs said, for this he receives money
            Quote: Keyser Soze
            even to ours - again do not hold out.

            lol laughing
            Quote: Keyser Soze
            Unemployment in Bulgaria - 5% for 2019. Below yours. That's the whole reliability of your information - Ren TV style ...

            Bullshit: -4,4% in Russia
            Quote: Keyser Soze
            Our population is shrinking not harder than yours, so can be silent Little.

            Shut up completely: the population in Russia has not decreased 22% for 29 le t, as you have (from 9 to less than 7 million). belay You hope to learn Turkish already?
            Quote: Keyser Soze
            Well, there is no Academician Pyotr Ivanov in Bulgaria. Give a link, help, biography. It is you who produce the falsity of academicians in every Darkness and then read them as reliable information.

            http://bgnews.bulgar-rus.ru/bolgariya-vymiraet-demograficheskaya-situaciya-xuzhe-chem-posle-vtoroj-mirovoj/
            And do not care if he is or not. The truth is SAID. hi
  7. +4
    17 September 2019 06: 28
    The war with monuments with European false pedantry continues, what kind of nation we are on earth, we want to please everyone, we have instructed these white-cherished monuments in Samara, Chelyabinsk and elsewhere, for their bloody executions of our people and for the export of gold reserves, we must adequately respond on these Panov, to hell with everything or demolish next to the monument to their victims ....
    1. +7
      17 September 2019 07: 15
      I read that this year the Czechs stopped funding for the installation in Samara and Novokuybyshevsk. Communists, Komsomol members, activists ---- fought against. And before that, as the Czech military department insisted, how it insisted.
      They dream to establish besides these in Ufa, Nizhneudinsk, Zlatoust, Kansk. !!!!!! Tolerance !!!!!
      Already there are in Buzuluk, Vladivostok, Yekaterinburg, Irkutsk, the village of Kutuluk, Irkutsk region, Kungur, Krasnoyarsk, Nizhny Tagil, Penza, in Buryatia, in Ulyanovsk.
      1. +1
        17 September 2019 07: 42
        For Konev, you can demolish all this Czech tombstone, and in Katyn you can put up a monument to the Psheks who were shot by the Germans, why should we blame this European husks for no fault?
        1. 0
          17 September 2019 07: 53
          Quote: anjey
          For Konev, you can demolish all this Czech tombstone, and in Katyn you can put up a monument to the Psheks who were shot by the Germans, why should we blame this European husks for no fault?

          And this desire to bend Russia is precisely the result of the perestroika de-Stalinization and the continued slacking of Stalin and the USSR.
      2. +1
        17 September 2019 19: 31
        Dmitri, write seditious things about white whales, after all, but they fought against the Bolsheviks. They, shoulder to shoulder with the heroes of the white movement, heroically fought yesterday, for the bright present today. Therefore, they put monuments to them ... laughing lol
        1. +2
          17 September 2019 20: 00
          Good evening, Alex! good To my pleasure, I'm not the only one to think so. Recall comments 3 years ago on this subject, at least ...... My peasant ancestors received higher education, they themselves began to teach. Someone worked in leadership positions. Grandfather's generation ---- went through the war. I understand that without the USSR, without the Bolsheviks, they would have been peasants of the non-chernozem zone. Given the restrictions on education in the Republic of Ingushetia ------ nothing shone for them. So I will remain in my opinion.
          There are many ambiguities. For example, some representatives of the white movement supported the Nazis. How to deal with this? But that’s not all ....
        2. 0
          21 September 2019 05: 28
          Quote: parusnik
          It was they, shoulder to shoulder with the heroes of the white movement, heroically fighting yesterday

          Probably more precisely about the deeds of the Belochekhs and Kolchak painted here; https://scepsis.net/library/id_3915.html
          Russian partisans and civilians in the Bryansk forests died at the hands of German punishers, in Siberia from Kolchak and White Bohemian. But for some reason, after the liberation, the monuments to German punishers were demolished everywhere, and Czechs were erected, although the Czechs did not claim 70 years to install them ..,
    2. 0
      17 September 2019 13: 45
      Quote: anjey
      instructed these white-cherished monuments in Samara

      They didn’t install it in Samara, there’s no such monument, they fought off.
  8. +6
    17 September 2019 07: 01
    I believe that the monuments to our commanders abroad, if they are abused, should be returned to Russia, saving them from bullying with the "transfer" of local. And let this ignorance be afraid that someday these monuments will return to their rightful place.
  9. 0
    17 September 2019 07: 10
    How does this relate ???
    There was such a thing in the history of states! It didn’t end with anything good!
    There is one "small" nuance, humanity has armed itself so globally that it may not survive the next serious conflict !!!
  10. +4
    17 September 2019 07: 12
    THINKING OUT LOUD. To be completely honest, I am irritated by the impotence of Russia for the preservation of monuments to our ancestors in Europe. Monuments have been demolished and will continue to be demolished under various pretexts ... and Russian diplomacy here "is losing on all fronts." Our diplomatic officials (judging by the media) are only fighting by "protesting" in the tradition of 20th century diplomacy. And in the yard already the second decade of the 21st century !!! We need other methods, we need not only words and "papers" of protest. Of course, you can demolish their monuments in revenge, you can introduce "bans" against the citizens of these countries, you can "frighten" with economic sanctions, etc., but all this does not give the desired result. The result will be, in my opinion, when ordinary people realize the need to preserve these monuments ... Instead of outside of government peace-loving outside government "friendship missions" we are waging information wars, where we ourselves incite hostility between people at the everyday level. THE "DESTRUCTION" OF OUR MONUMENTS IN EUROPE IS THE RESULT OF THE INFORMATION WAR, AND THE WAR DOES NOT BRING ANYTHING OTHER THAN DESTRUCTION! Isn't it time for us to get out of this information war, while unilaterally? !!! Maybe instead of spending money on "couch Internet warriors" spitting rudeness, insults and stupidity, start conducting public diplomacy at the level of ordinary people? IT IS TIME TO REMEMBER THE FORGOTTEN CONCEPT OF INTERNATIONALISM, REPLACING THE CONCEPT OF GLOBALISM ???
    1. +2
      17 September 2019 07: 28
      This is the powerlessness and shortsightedness of Putin and Koresh. This USSR held on to the eggs of all eastern Europe, and the current rulers flaunted everything that could and should not. Ukraine is not going to fight against Russia, what can we say about the monuments ....
      1. 0
        17 September 2019 07: 31
        Grandma’s boys earn money; later they will live in other countries, and they don’t give a damn about history
    2. +1
      17 September 2019 07: 30
      After each protest statement, there must be concrete action. Penalties. Without this, they only laugh at the statements. No respect.
    3. +1
      17 September 2019 09: 01
      "You, professor, your will, have invented something awkward! It may be smart, but it hurts incomprehensible. They will make fun of you." (C) Well-known. Just have a look at the smashing of Russia Today. They were skillfully, LEGALLY and quickly herded into the stall. And your "people's diplomacy" is docked with fines and court decisions, like a dog's tail. And we had an NGO. It was called the Comintern. Do you remember?
      1. 0
        17 September 2019 09: 33
        For lelik613 (Sergei) It is always easier to criticize others than to offer something yourself !!!! What do you offer? ... or more than "the whole world" - you cannot offer anything. By the way, the Comintern at one time played a big role in ensuring that the "Western bourgeois" began to respect the USSR. The current government in Russia cannot create anything of the kind - there is no unifying ideology. By the way, even before the USSR in Europe there was such an organization "Internationale". Today, our government prioritizes "friendship" with influential businessmen, and not with ordinary people in another state, and as a result - Ukraine, Georgia, the Baltic countries (extremely Russophobic states), and yet we still have a lot in common at the household level. But today a "druzhban" is the one who has a lot of money or power))) So, dear, what can you suggest specifically to change the situation?
        1. +3
          17 September 2019 11: 01
          To begin with, to drive out in a cold society of friendship with the budget of the Russian Federation. Publish personal files of GB informers who became the fathers of independence. Get into the light the ins and outs of the children of traitors.
          1. -1
            17 September 2019 12: 14
            For lelik613 (Sergei) And do you believe that the attitude towards monuments will change? And it seems to me that your proposals will generate a bunch of dissatisfied and offended on both sides. And they will increase the number of supporters to forget the liberation of Prague. But if you had a Czech in your contact, to whom you could write, or even better at the table in your or his house, say: "My grandfather (great-grandfather) died so that the Nazis would not kill children and women in Prague in spring, although he could calmly examine this and wait for the Nazis to flee to the Americans themselves. Is he worthy of the fact that your elected deputies and officials would destroy this memory? " - then there would be much less "crazy memory erasers" in Europe.
            1. +2
              17 September 2019 13: 28
              Ek, my friend ... This is necessary for your country, so that your minds aren’t stupid. And the Czech, not the Czech in contact, is not relevant to them now. Later, interest will arise (out of necessity and need), but this will be a completely different story. And my grandfather Konigsberg forts multiplied by zero and it was right.
          2. 0
            21 September 2019 05: 30
            Quote: lelik613
            Publish personal files of informers GB

            And who after this will cooperate with the Russian special services?
    4. -1
      17 September 2019 12: 01
      100% agree, but those who are minusers, in my opinion, are wrong !!! While we will protest, expressing indignation, they will put us on cancer ourselves. But on the other hand, what then to do with all this? How to influence ???
    5. -1
      17 September 2019 13: 25
      Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
      MAY TIME TO REMEMBER THE FORGOTTEN CONCEPT OF INTERNATIONALISM

      So, internationalism is ordinary Trotskyism, what do you propose ?, otherwise it's hard to understand what you are talking about .... and, what else public diplomacy? Can spoil them quietly in hotels, for a little.
      1. 0
        17 September 2019 13: 56
        For bober1982 (vladimir) Internationalism was born even before Trotsky. The First International was born in 1864, Trotsky in 1879. By the way, I hear for the first time that internationalism is Trotskyism. Internationalism, if we reject "proletarian", means the interaction of certain groups of the population united around one goal, which lies above the state national interests. An example of such internationalism today is the EU with uniting people around the so-called "European values". So besides the Trotskyist interpretation of internationalism, there are many others. Although it is quite possible that something can be taken from Trotskyism, the truth is that there are few revolutionaries-internationalists left in the world today.
        1. 0
          17 September 2019 14: 07
          Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
          Internationalism, if we reject "proletarian", means the interaction of certain groups of the population united around one goal, which lies above the state national interests

          Then it will be called globalism.
          Internationalism, as a relic of the past, has been thrown into the dustbin of history, now they have begun to "stir up" with globalism.
          1. +1
            17 September 2019 16: 52
            For bober1982 (vladimir) Globalism is primarily an economic concept. Internationalism is primarily a socio-political concept. Internationalism has not been thrown into the dustbin of history, it is just that the world community is now dominated by the ideas of a consumer society based on the ideology of globalism. The concept and foundations of internationalism are now fully exploited by radical Islamists (very similar to how Trotsky used it in Latin America). Uses internationalism, as I wrote, EU + NATO. Who and how tomorrow will use it is not yet known, but as long as there are national states, internationalism will "work". Our trouble is that our rulers, since the time of Yeltsin, themselves have abandoned internationalism, so today we get the fact that the monuments of the Second World War are being demolished in countries that, like us, have abandoned internationalism in favor of globalism (who feeds him and love).
  11. +1
    17 September 2019 07: 25
    These Western lackeys sang differently on May 9, 45, when the SS division rolled them out in tanks in Prague.
  12. The daughter was in Prague just now. In the very center of Prague, there was an exhibition dedicated to the "occupation" of the USSR in Czechoslovakia in 1968. Very much warped our many tourists.
    1. 0
      17 September 2019 09: 58
      There is a whole wailing wall there on an ongoing basis. Like the Germans of the Czechs ... then we)).
    2. +1
      17 September 2019 16: 19
      Spitting in the face of our tourists taking their money there.
      But it’s time, indeed, to ask our Foreign Ministry when this bacchanalia will end.
      There must be some international standards of hospitality at large tourist sites, in the end.
      Although .... it is designed for liberal-minded individuals.
      And our Foreign Ministry that calmly yawn on the sidelines?
    3. 0
      18 September 2019 15: 44
      Although I lived in TsGV for 9 years, and finished school there, I will express my opinion that our tanks went too far. But there was Hungary in 1956, I think they drove the tanks so that it didn't turn out even worse than in Budapest. However, in Czechoslovakia, the "seething" at the top was not so radical.
      But what has been done is done.
  13. -3
    17 September 2019 08: 04
    Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
    Isn't it time for us to get out of this information war, while unilaterally? !!! Maybe instead of spending money on "couch Internet warriors" spitting rudeness, insults and stupidity, start conducting public diplomacy at the level of ordinary people?

    Very good opinion!
  14. +3
    17 September 2019 08: 05
    Quote: Reptiloid
    After each protest statement, there must be concrete action. Penalties. Without this, they only laugh at the statements. No respect.

    I wonder which one?
    1. 0
      17 September 2019 08: 18
      Quote: kalibr
      .... I wonder which one?
      sanction, of course. What did you think?
      I well remember your article about white-covers, about 2,5 years ago.
      1. 0
        17 September 2019 08: 26
        Ah Ah! Get out! Exactly 3 years ago, September 9th article Squirrels on the streets of Penza..
        I like the comments on her.
  15. -1
    17 September 2019 08: 20
    Vitaly Tsymbal wrote well about what is needed ...
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  17. +5
    17 September 2019 08: 54
    Judging by the photo for the article, the inhabitants of Prague met with the colors of everyone who came there in a tank.
    1. +3
      17 September 2019 10: 03
      Czech folk custom. But then to actively "fight" with civilians - expulsion and genocide of the Sudeten Germans in 1945. Now they are fighting with Konev. Of the most adequate answers, I consider the transfer of a memorial sign to the perished Czechs from Chelyabinsk to the Czech embassy.
      1. +1
        17 September 2019 10: 32
        And the rest too.
  18. +3
    17 September 2019 09: 11
    Monuments to pick up.
    The remains of Soviet soldiers to pick up.
    Czech monuments and bones to return to their historical homeland.
    Gas shut off under the pretext of closing the Opal.
    1. +1
      17 September 2019 09: 56
      Quote: antiaircrafter
      ..... Czech monuments and bones to return to their historical homeland.
      Gas shut off under the pretext of closing the Opal.
      Let them organize and take them out. Bones and monuments. And the fact that ????? ----- in the last century, values ​​were exported from us, and in this century, therefore, let them take out what is left.
  19. +3
    17 September 2019 09: 13
    This is also connected with the Kremlin’s policy itself, where they insult the Soviet past, hush it up, denigrate Stalin’s name, or try to rely on the Great Victory in the upbringing of patriotism. In Russia itself, there is always an attempt to “rewrite” history, to turn Kolchak, Denikin, Mannerheim, Krasnov and Vlasov into heroes, to remove the memory of Lenin and Stalin, Soviet civilization, away. The mausoleum during the Victory Parade is bashfully covered with plywood with rags. It is not surprising that in the West, in Europe we are constantly mixed with mud

    IMHO, it was necessary to start with this, this is the main reason for the entire bacchanalia with monuments to Soviet soldiers. And further. After all, we see that, both now and then, in Czechoslovakia and in other countries of eastern Europe there were both supporters and opponents of Soviet liberation. Many were waiting for amers. Then the pro-Soviet forces defeated, now pro-Western take revenge. There is nothing to be surprised.
  20. +4
    17 September 2019 09: 28
    Another failure of Russian diplomacy, evidence of laziness and sloppiness in the department of Lavrov. What, no one knew before, about the role of the ROA? And that the Czechs are not so good that their conscience is unclean like Hitler’s actual allies. Since 1939, they riveted for the fascists the most advanced artillery weapons, tanks, armored personnel carriers, first-class machine guns and other small arms. Today they cover their shame with attacks on the Soviet Army, lies and provocations. That the Lavrov loafers could not see in advance that there would be provocations before the Victory Day. It was hard to say quietly a year ago, zealous in your ear - there will be provocations, we will take to ..... all the monuments to the legionnaires. The people will spontaneously demolish.
  21. +4
    17 September 2019 09: 29
    Minister of Culture of the Russian Federation Vladimir Medinsky said that the monument to the Soviet commander was made by Czech sculptors with the money of citizens in gratitude for the fact that Konev forbade the use of bomber aircraft and large-caliber artillery when liberating Prague and other cities of Czechoslovakia

    Yes, Ivan Stepanovich didn’t have to blunder, but to destroy the Nazis who had settled in the cities with aviation and artillery.
    It was not necessary to protect the city, but our soldiers. Maybe a few thousand more would return home. After all, the war has already ended, and ours are still dying .....
    I read the memoirs of those participating in these battles and how bitter it was for them to lose their comrades after the Victory ...

    The Czechs did not cost such victims., NO! Like the Poles, Hungarians, etc ...

    This is also connected with the policy of the Kremlin itself, where they offend the Soviet past and hush it up.

    It has nothing to do with what the Kremlin today has to do with it and what can it REALLY do? Declare war? All questions to previous.
    And so, as the Soviet leaders insulted themselves, no one else would offend. It is enough to read the speeches of ALL leaders of the USSR. For example, the speeches of the Prosecutor General Vyshinsky addressed to the Presovmin of the USSR, ministers, members of the Central Committee, etc.
    constantly trying to “rewrite” the story

    It is impossible to rewrite the "history" in which at all For example, one of the most terrible catastrophes of mankind, the famine of 1933, was missing.
    That "history" which bashfully, in the name of whitewashing social "friends", hushed up the REAL beginning of WWII -30 September 1938 gwhen the Nazi friends Germany and Poland with Hungary jointly tore the Czech Republic.

    What good has this led to today?
    1. -1
      17 September 2019 12: 11
      After all, the war has already ended, and ours are still dying .....

      Hello, Andrey. Do you think it was possible to stop at the state border and not go to Berlin?
      That "history", which bashfully, ..., hushed up the REAL beginning of WWII - September 30, 1938,

      Well, "with us" friends were whitewashed, and "they" why they hushed up the real beginning of WWII, otherwise I look in Britannica - they are hushed up, bastards about 38 years old, as the beginning of WWII. Although I accept the interpretation that WWII began in 37 with Japan's attack on China.
      in the name of whitewashing social "friends"

      And about the "whitewash", there is a good saying - who remembers the old, the eyes are out. And it is not necessary about the triumph of "historical truth", for some reason scoundrels from politics use this truth more often than scientists-historians.
      And then the situation, as in the family where one of the spouses changed, was forgiven, they didn’t say anything to the children and lived in peace and quiet, until after some many years they were disgraced and divorced. And here already adult children poured into the ears all the dirt of parents about each other. Who is better off from such a truth? Only the neighbors in the yard - there is something to gnaw about.
      One of the worst catastrophes of mankind is the famine of 1933.

      Somewhere, apparently, is there a generally accepted list of the most terrible catastrophes of mankind? Or is this just your list?
      1. -1
        17 September 2019 12: 41
        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
        Hello, Andrey. Do you think it was possible to stop at the state border and not go to Berlin?

        Hello Timur.
        No, I don’t think everything was done right.
        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
        Well, "with us" friends were whitewashed, and "they" why they hushed up the real beginning of WWII, otherwise I look at Britannica - they are hushed up, bastards about 38 years old, as the beginning of WWII.

        With them, everything is clear, they wash themselves. And what reason for US to agree to September 1, 39, as the beginning of the war? We were saving Poland and Hungary ... Why ?! And today ... we, together with Hitler, "unleashed" the war (according to the Western version). And try now play back by telling the truth: stereotype. complicated!
        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
        Although I accept the interpretation that WWII began in the year 37 with the Japanese attack on China.

        it happened there, but in 1931 AND LN-SWALLOWED! This is the beginning .... Although, I agree, 1937 is more understandable. and 38 is even more ....
        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
        And about "whitewashing", there is a good saying - tothen the old will remember, that eye out. .
        And where have you seen this? belay
        We are reminded of something that was not there, and we should be silent about real crimes? request
        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
        Who is better off from such a truth? Only the neighbors in the yard - there is something to gnaw about.

        I do not agree: for non-existent treason, specific charges are brought against the mother. podteksotom, but for real betrayal you just ... forgive? belay
        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
        Somewhere, apparently, is there a generally accepted list of the most terrible catastrophes of mankind? Or is this just your list?

        Mass starvation is a disaster.

        The most widespread catastrophes of this kind are known and indisputable by anyone: India, the USSR, China, Ireland. The socialist China of 1960 certainly surpassed everyone.
        1. 0
          17 September 2019 15: 22
          We are reminded of something that was not there, and we should be silent about real crimes?
          I do not agree: for non-existent treason, specific charges are brought against the mother. podteksotom, but for real betrayal you just ... forgive?

          I probably didn’t exactly put it and you therefore misunderstood me.
          When I wrote about "who will remember the old, he has an eye out for why the policy of the USSR was based on not taking out the dirt committed by past generations, since some kind of common future has to be built in the future. After all, there will always be those who will be this "past" if you do not stop talking about it, blame it. And these reproaches will sharpen from within and weaken. Better, more worthy, more humane, to start with a clean slate. The fact that now the Czechs, Poles or whoever else sometimes behave unworthily is that they are unworthy, and not the policy in the USSR is wrong. Otherwise, it turns out that we condemn humanism.
          and for real betrayal you just ... forgive?

          Confused. We discussed this
          hushed up the REAL start of WWII -30 September 1938, when the Nazi friends Germany and Poland together with Hungary tore the Czech Republic

          After the inclusion of Poland in the CMEA, the USSR had to blame it (so that it knew its place) in the capture of part of Czechoslovakia, which is also in the CMEA.
          What kind of betrayal are we talking about? Or are we continuing to discuss my life example? )))
          Mass starvation is a disaster

          Without a doubt. But in your interpretation, it is the case of 1933 that is not just a catastrophe, but one of the worst in the history of mankind. The famine of 1933 in the USSR for humans, as a threat to a biological species, passed completely without a trace, despite the complexity of the situation for a particular country, the catastrophic situation for individual regions and the horror of the situation for individuals.
          1. -2
            17 September 2019 16: 12
            Quote: Nefarious skeptic
            why the policy of the USSR was based on not taking out the dirt committed by past generations, since it is in the future to build some kind of common future.

            Stupid, as we see, the policy that turned against us.
            They couldn't stand the dirt ?! And who publicly condemned "Russian colonialism", condemned the partitions of Poland, "seizures" in Wed. Asia, etc.? With OWN, they did not want to build, together ...
            Quote: Nefarious skeptic
            The fact that now the Czechs, Poles or who else behave is sometimes unworthy is because they are unworthy, and not the policy in the USSR is wrong. Otherwise, it turns out we condemn humanism.

            The fact that they are unworthy was clear, one hundred and 200 years ago, to the one who taught history.
            And the one who tried to come up with a different image for them was a stupid manila, incapable of real life. A purely sober and pragmatic calculation and strength is the only thing they can understand.
            Quote: Nefarious skeptic
            After the inclusion of Poland in the CMEA, the USSR had to blame it (so that it knew its place) in the capture of part of Czechoslovakia, which is also in the CMEA.

            Not to blame, but to SPEAK TRUTH-naked and without emotions and snot about "friendship".
            But the CMEA is not to be turned into an attraction of unprecedented generosity (from the USSR).
            Quote: Nefarious skeptic
            Without a doubt. But in your interpretation, it is the case of 1933 that is not just a catastrophe, but one of the worst in the history of mankind. The famine of 1933 in the USSR for humans, as a threat to a biological species, passed completely without a trace, despite the complexity of the situation for a particular country, the catastrophic situation for individual regions and the horror of the situation for individuals.

            Did you agree that this is a disaster? Yes.
            So, the catastrophe of 1933, among the similar ones in the history of mankind, is the worst, even compared to India and China as early as the 19th century, for comparable numbers of people and time.
            But you CANNOT even compare mid-19th in Asia and ..... mid-twentieth-in the center of Europe!
            1. 0
              17 September 2019 18: 01
              The fact that they are unworthy was clear, one hundred and 200 years ago, to the one who taught history.
              And the one who tried to come up with a different image for them was a stupid manila, incapable of real life.

              1) 100-200 years ago, say ... Why were you unworthy of the Empire? And those who took - stupid Manilov, incapable of real life?
              2) The son is responsible for the father, comes out? I thought the opposite.
              A purely sober and pragmatic calculation and strength is the only thing they can understand.

              And no one condoned, they knew their framework. Then. Not now. And before the use of force, no one stopped. The year 1968 is an example.
              So, the catastrophe of 1933, among the similar ones in the history of mankind, is the worst

              Neither in absolute nor in relative terms.
              Moreover, even if excess mortality is not accepted according to the documents of that period (not comme il faut, there is no faith in them), but they are calculated on the basis of the difference in censuses and the predicted birth rate.
              1. -2
                18 September 2019 09: 15
                Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                100-200 years ago, say ... Why were you unworthy of the Empire? And those who took - stupid Manilov, incapable of real life?

                Very cleverly done: eliminated the eternal enemy. The USSR, on the other hand, drank it, nurtured it, at the Russian expense. Do not see the difference?
                Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                ) The son is responsible for the father, is it? I thought the opposite.

                And son, how is it different from father? Nothing. And everyone knows that.
                Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                And no one condoned, they knew their framework. Then. Not now

                the creation of a huge Poland is not connivance? What framework - just a little weakened the reins and - all immediately sent to, despite all the "feeding" and the army. AND WHERE are our hundreds of billions of dollars invested there? Brains-was not enough at home to use them?
                Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                Neither in absolute nor in relative terms.

                In absolute and relative terms, the worst
                Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                Moreover, even if excess mortality is not accepted according to the documents of that period (not comme il faut, there is no faith in them), but they are calculated on the basis of the difference in censuses and the predicted birth rate.

                There is an official figure of 7 million people, confirmed by almost all researchers.

                And I will note: we did not talk about this, but about the fact that in the TS. There was NO "slandered" story of this disaster. Generally!! There were also successes ... "wealthy people."
                Is that the story, do you think ?! And the same event of -47, and the eviction and robbery of millions of fellow citizens, raskachachivanie, the great abortion revolution and other and other-HOW about this could be silent in ... history? belay
                1. 0
                  18 September 2019 11: 30
                  Very cleverly done: eliminated the eternal enemy.

                  The events of 1830-1831, 1860, 1861, 1862, 1863-1864, 1905, 1906, 1908, 1914, 1917-1918 do not confirm your words. Which brings us back to my question - did they know that the unworthy, why did they take it, since then they created problems all these years? Probably for the same reason as the USSR, so that there is no union with the "other bloc". But in one case it is not smart for you, and in the other it is smart. You are not biased))
                  What framework-just slightly weakened the reins and-all immediately sent to

                  After 1985, we were the first to send ourselves to, let alone others.
                  In absolute and relative terms, the worst

                  no, even using the 7 million you mentioned.
                  There is an official figure of 7 million people, confirmed by almost all researchers.

                  Where is she? Which researchers? And then there are a lot of them. And the numbers go from 3,5 to 12 million, which is what much.
                  I already wrote to you how the "researchers" think, using the example of Andreev's calculation method. Do you find and repeat this message? Show the method of calculating your 7 million.
                  And then, somehow, for the sake of entertainment by such methods, I counted the shortage of population in the USA between the censuses of 1930 and 1940. Count and you, then laugh together with such techniques.
                  And I will note: we did not talk about this, but about the fact that in the TS. There was NO "slandered" story of this disaster. Generally!! There were also successes ... "wealthy people."
                  Is that the story, do you think ?! And the same event of -47, and the eviction and robbery of millions of fellow citizens, raskachachivanie, the great abortion revolution and other and other-HOW about this could be silent in ... history?

                  If you have a story - this is a story from school books, then I agree, all this was not.

                  PS I don’t understand who puts the cons to you, only we are participating in the conversation.
  22. -2
    17 September 2019 10: 09
    "something is also connected with the policy of the Kremlin itself, somewhere they insult the Soviet past"- Yes, yes, yes: today's behavior of Czechs and Bulgarians is the burp of the Soviet past when they stroked the heads of the ardent allies of the Third Reich.
    1. 0
      17 September 2019 15: 38
      But in fact, how much news from the Czech Republic and Slovakia pops up? Yes with a gulkin nose. Either Zeman adequately dispels some idiotic statements, or the vandals desecrated the monument. And nothing else comes from there. Poland is more seething in the information field.
  23. 0
    17 September 2019 10: 55
    Stalin is still shouting a tyrant and we are all Asians, but we would kill everyone who fought or helped the Nazis, if we were descendants of the Mongols. These creatures understand only power.
  24. +2
    17 September 2019 12: 12
    Of course, we must fiercely resist such an attitude towards the memory of our grandfathers. Medinsky was ashamed, calling that Prague reshall "Gauleiter". Whatever Gauleiter is, that's too honorable. Frankly, you need to voice: a political prostitute and an ungrateful pig. This is for us. Apparently, Prague was not leveled like the Americans Raqqa in Syria, as Dresden was not burned out together with the civilian population, for the love of the descendants of Cech's brother. But in the end, one must be aware that if the Czechs decide to demolish the monument, they will demolish it anyway. They are unable to take away one thing: our grandfathers finished off the bourgeois Beast, both in the Czech Republic, and in Poland, and in Hungary, and in Austria, it had to be done, and they did it in the name of our generation. And do not care about the attitude of modern Czechs, just remind for this and spread rot at every opportunity. We will not forget, we will not forgive.
  25. -2
    17 September 2019 15: 25
    The war with monuments is a sign of complete political and moral impotence.
    Calling for breaking monuments in Russia are doubly inadequate. Their monuments in our country must be cherished and cherished in order to show clearly the difference in relation to history.
    But the local communist brethren, who rode here all together, in the themes of the demolition of monuments and the war with history, it is better not to appear and not to show their inferiority again, since this scanty tradition - to rewrite and forget history, to fight with monuments and the dead - was exalted by you . And it’s not for you to be indignant and pour mud at someone about this.
  26. +1
    17 September 2019 15: 35
    Already in the year 90, when the Czechoslovak Federal Republic was sculpted from Czechoslovakia, in May there were posters with American troops and the date of May 7. But I don’t remember, this is the entry of US troops into Prague or the crossing of the Czech border. So that lovers of rewriting history are everywhere and always. Why wonder now? Although I was in 89 or 90 in the same Czech village where there was a bust of Stalin. And there was no smell of demolition.
  27. +2
    17 September 2019 16: 07
    Now, if Konev went the other way, that is, he would have applied air support, there would have been nothing to show to numerous tours. Then Zlata Prague would have had the wrong value.

    Apparently, European humanism is an incomprehensible, mysterious concept.
  28. +2
    17 September 2019 17: 41
    Dear author - many thanks for the informative article. Like other members of the forum, I want to express my opinion. Monuments to Soviet soldiers and military leaders are desecrated, destroyed and transferred not only in the Czech Republic, but also in other European countries. It is especially painful to see this in Ukraine. A fresh example is the story of the demolition of the monument to Marshal Zhukov in Kharkov on June 2 this year. True, it was restored, but for how long? Of course, we are outraged by the behavior of the "non-brothers" and all other gay Europeans, and this is quite natural. But for some reason no one is trying to find the reason for this behavior. And she, by the way, lies on the surface.
    In short, how do we honor the memory of the Great Patriotic War? In addition to the parade, which is constantly attended by a bunch of mummers "veterans" (and accepting undeserved honors, and the authorities for some reason shyly shut their eyes to this), and Soviet films on TV on May 9, there is nothing much to add. Open the history textbooks - will you find a lot of information about the Second World War? Maybe there are portraits of Pokryshkin, Kozhedub, Maresyev, Matrosov, Kosmodemyanskaya, pioneer heroes? Or maybe there is a portrait of Stalin and information about his role in the creation of the anti-Hitler coalition and the victory over fascism?
    If we ourselves allow the name of Stalin to be denigrated, we condemn the actions of the Soviet government to annex lands on the eve of WWII and still believe that the enemy was "filled with corpses", silently agree with the tale of "a million raped German women." in neighboring countries?
    Until we ourselves begin to respect our history and the gains of our grandfathers, until this bacchanalia will continue.
  29. 0
    17 September 2019 18: 33
    Something vulnerable we have become. Painfully reacts to all kinds of insinuations in our direction. Vulnerability is a sign of weakness.
    I would like to say the following:
    1. The Czech Republic is a sovereign state and has the right to do anything with its historical heritage. It’s not for us to blame them. We create with our own story that without getting.
    2. It must be borne in mind that over the years the memory of that war is worn out. And in a couple of generations that war will be just another event. None of us react like that about the First World War or the war of 1812.
    3. In that war, the Czech Republic was the subject of war. For the modern Czech, that the Germans, that the Russians are invaders, no matter how we were presented with this in the lessons of history. The same eggs, only the view from the side. First, the Germans conquered them, then the Russians liberated. For the layman, this is a grab.
    4. I hope no one amuses himself with the version that the USSR liberated Chekhov disinterestedly? Local communists were supported. The Czech Republic was integrated into the Warsaw Pact. And the police department was organized not so much to protect comrades but as a buffer for the USSR. And rightly so, from our bell tower.
    5. If the Czechs want to forget this, their right. The main thing for us to remember.
    6. If someone thinks that a constant reminder, who made the greatest contribution to the victory, somehow can prevent conflicts in the future, then he is mistaken. People’s favorite pastime is killing. Europe is ripening for revenge. They are poor in resources. They are poor in living space. A lot of them. But in Russia, what they lack is there.
    7. We must accept all this and prepare. War will sooner or later be in one form or another. We wouldn’t pump up this time and not play nobility, but beat with everything we have. For, as our President said, and I agree with him, why do we need Peace if Russia does not exist in it.
    1. DDT
      +2
      18 September 2019 03: 21
      mark, sorry for the minus. But no. My uncle liberated this city. Was injured. And to me to one place, selfishly or unselfishly, the USSR liberated the Czech Republic. The main thing RELEASED. And excuse me, there is still a difference between the communist and Nazi ideology. With communism, we were the first to go into space. Navism, put the destruction of people "on stream". Industrial so to speak. Yes, the USSR was not a paradise on earth, but compared to the Nazi regime, no one was rotted alive in the death camps for the irregular shape of the skull, the cut of the eyes or the nose.
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  31. DDT
    +2
    18 September 2019 03: 17
    Well, sorry, not a diplomatic scandal. this is pure blasphemy and desecration of the history of all former Soviet republics. And by the way, over the Czech history itself too! We need to raise a wave on Facebook, etc. There are many "ours" in Prague, we need to raise them to a demonstration. If it goes on like this, they will soon erect monuments to the SS and Wehrmacht Gauleiters there instead of monuments to Soviet liberator soldiers. angry
  32. +2
    18 September 2019 16: 23
    It would be nice (as a natural experiment) to replace Konev with Heydrich in order to see the reaction of the "freedom-loving" Czechs. Many will never know that the Nazis were armed with the Skoda plant. So the Czechs killed Russians not only during the First World War and during the Civil War, but also during the Second World War. The fighting on the territory of Czechoslovakia continued, it seems, even after May 15, 1945. Forgotten - forgiven?

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