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Perm animal style: traces of the ancient civilization of the Russian North

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Perm animal style. It is under this name that scientists describe numerous animal figures, including those made as jewelry, which are found in a fairly large number on the territory of the Perm Territory and regions of the north of Russia. However, until now, scientists can’t say exactly which civilization this amazing craft belonged to.


Perm animal style: traces of the ancient civilization of the Russian North


On the Day TV channel, a story is presented in which they talk about the Perm animal style and in which they try to find an answer to the question about the authorship of these outstanding works of antiquity.

Archaeologists say that all this northern art was born around the 7th century of a new era. However, not all scientists are inclined to share precisely this point of view.

It is noteworthy that the Finno-Ugric peoples inhabiting the substantial territories of Russia and the Eurasian continent did not and do not consider the discovered artifacts to be the products of their ancestors.

An expert from the Izborsk Club Aleksey Komogortsev, being in the Perm Museum of Local Lore, talks about the rich collection of the Perm animal style.

The video presents reflections on what kind of ancient civilization could inhabit the Russian North in antiquity and leave its cultural mark.

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  1. Svarog
    Svarog 16 September 2019 14: 20
    +1
    Scientists in our country cannot say anything for sure .. So many ancient artifacts are being found, and many of the finds indicate that very "advanced" civilizations lived earlier .. But this, according to scientists, cannot be, because it cannot be ..
    1. TAMBU
      TAMBU 16 September 2019 15: 01
      +3
      it can say nothing on TV day, and real scientists as soon as they release their work on this topic then only you can say they know something or not ...
    2. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 16 September 2019 15: 19
      +3
      Yes, they are babbling, babbling "animal style". All a chok. And there are several styles. They do not see that some of the products resemble the ancient Indians, either the Incas or the Maya. But our Indians in swimming trunks would definitely not run around Perm. 0-40. feel
      1. Pike
        Pike 17 September 2019 07: 20
        +2
        We know little about the climate of the past. The same mammoths that are still found were frozen at once, covered with soil, with bellies full of fresh grass. The locals fed dogs with such a found mammoth. If the climate was so severe, then where did the grass come from, and if there were periodic warmings (seasonal and not only), then why didn’t many carcasses rot or corrupted, were not eaten by animals.
        1. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 17 September 2019 07: 59
          +1
          Pike (Alexey) is frozen at once, covered with soil, with bellies full of fresh grass. The locals fed dogs with such a found mammoth. If the climate was so severe, then where did the grass come from, and if there were periodic warmings (seasonal and not only), then why didn’t many carcasses rot or corrupted, were not eaten by animals.
          What is the question then? Well, there was a cataclysm, everyone was covered with a charge from the Pole refrigerator and sprinkled with soil. And the mechanics of cataclysm is not for scientists, but for primary sources. What animals will eat? Here the microbes went into hibernation, decomposition froze. Let's go back to swimming trunks. In warm climates, it is best to go naked or in a loincloth example: Africa. Swimming trunks are perverted and not functional, eggs should be free.
    3. Pavel57
      Pavel57 16 September 2019 19: 07
      +3
      And who said that the opinion of scientists is objective? Firstly, they are forced to defend the traditional view, since they themselves are part of it, and secondly, they are paid money by those who are not always interested in the truth.
      Thirdly, history is continuously rewritten, or at least created the conditions for rewriting.
      1. Pike
        Pike 17 September 2019 07: 27
        +1
        It is interesting that they talk about ancient Egypt at school, but not about his contemporary Arkaim.
        And in Sinast, for example, the MOST ANCIENT CHARIERS in the world were found, but again many do not know about it
  2. gabonskijfront
    gabonskijfront 16 September 2019 14: 21
    +9
    When our descendants reveal the cultural layer corresponding to our era, they will call it the era of the culture of plastic bottles and disposable cups.
    1. The Siberian barber
      The Siberian barber 16 September 2019 22: 46
      +1
      I’m afraid that if everything happens without radical changes in the current situation regarding garbage, then the cultural layer can not be opened! If only, to determine the starting point of the beginning of this era
  3. Operator
    Operator 16 September 2019 14: 35
    -2
    Perm animal style is a native Slavic culture before the arrival of the Ugro-Finns from beyond the Urals (end of the 1 millennium BC - the beginning of the 1 millennium BC)
    1. gabonskijfront
      gabonskijfront 16 September 2019 14: 47
      -2
      Do not be like diggers of the Black Sea.
      1. Operator
        Operator 16 September 2019 15: 53
        +5
        According to a genetic analysis of the bone remains found in the north-east of the European part of Russia, from the end of the Ice Age, this territory was exclusively inhabited by the carriers of the Aryan haplogroup R1a - Aryans / Protoslavs / Slavs.

        Carriers of the Ugro-Finnish haplogroup N1c1 and the Sami haplogroup N2 appeared in Europe from the Urals only at the end of the 1 millennium BC.

        As a result, "purebred" Ugric and Sami inhabitants inhabit only Finland and the north of Norway, Sweden and the coast of the Arctic Ocean in the European part of Russia. Komi, Mordovians, Mari, Chuvash, Udmurts, Karelians, Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians (as well as the disappeared tribes of Golyadi, Meri, Murom, Berendey and others) represent / were mestizo of Slavs and Ugriches in a ratio of 50/50.
  4. Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 16 September 2019 14: 55
    +1
    Are the figures cast in bronze?
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 16 September 2019 22: 29
      +1
      If in the "Permian style", then for the most part (main) made of bronze. But in addition to figurines of the "Permian style" on the territory of Perm the Great was found a lot of finds of Iranian origin made of silver, mainly dishes, from the Sassanid era. It was bought up by the Stroganovs and was also melted down.
      P / S - why Chaldon48, not Chеldon48? There is a notion that the term "cheldon" went with the light hand of the locals, stuck in relation to fugitives and newcomers, such as - "Man from the Don".
      1. Chaldon48
        Chaldon48 17 September 2019 00: 08
        +3
        My grandfather used to say: "I am cha'don." I was still young then and asked him what it was? He answered: "Cha 'a catcher with Don". Then, when I got bigger, he told me that the Chaldons were indigenous Siberians. My surname VAGAYTSEV in the Novosibirsk region is the village of Vagaytsevo. As an adult, I learned that there is such a river Vagai, a tributary of the Irtysh, at the mouth of the river, in the very place where it falls into the Irtysh, there is a small island. According to legend, this island became the last refuge of Yermak, when Khan Kuchum Yermak attacked the remnants of his detachment and his people rushed into the river in the hope of swimming, there was a heavy chain mail on Ermak, which beat him, but some of the people managed to escape, here they are. in the dense, then still, wilds and founded this village, of course, this is just a legend.
  5. aries2200
    aries2200 16 September 2019 16: 57
    0
    this is a people named Hyperboreans ... the Ural mountains in antiquity according to Aristotle - Hyperborean mountains
  6. Pavel57
    Pavel57 16 September 2019 17: 36
    -1
    Hyperboreans and Aryans can be different nations.
  7. lucul
    lucul 16 September 2019 18: 13
    -4
    Inconvenient finds, laying a mine under the generally accepted history.
    And like all historians "close" their eyes to them ...
    Because they can quickly anathematize, in which case.
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 16 September 2019 22: 45
      0
      Quote: lucul
      Inconvenient finds, laying a mine under the generally accepted history.
      And like all historians "close" their eyes to them ...
      Because they can quickly anathematize, in which case.

      Completeness to you sir! Why uncomfortable? On the one hand, their historians can draw a connection between these finds and their lands, and on the other hand, what in this case prevents us from claiming our rights to their lands, if the "fact of kinship" is mostly concentrated on the territory of Russia? Let's return the breakaway "fragments" to our jurisdiction. Judging by the density of "finds" per square hectare, we have objectively more rights to this. They need to think 100 times whether the game is worth the candle)))
  8. Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock
    +1
    Quote: Operator
    According to a genetic analysis of the bone remains found in the north-east of the European part of Russia, from the end of the Ice Age, this territory was exclusively inhabited by the carriers of the Aryan haplogroup R1a - Aryans / Protoslavs / Slavs.
    Carriers of the Ugro-Finnish haplogroup N1c1 and the Sami haplogroup N2 appeared in Europe from the Urals only at the end of the 1 millennium BC.
    As a result, "purebred" Ugric and Sami inhabitants inhabit only Finland and the north of Norway, Sweden and the coast of the Arctic Ocean in the European part of Russia. Komi, Mordovians, Mari, Chuvash, Udmurts, Karelians, Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians (as well as the disappeared tribes of Golyadi, Meri, Murom, Berendey and others) represent / were mestizo of Slavs and Ugriches in a ratio of 50/50.

    Well, so the Operator is a mestizo. And not with the highest content of "Aryan" R1a in comparison with some "older" Asian and European brothers in "Aryan".
    The gene pool of modern Slavs (as well as other peoples) is rather heterogeneous.
    Distribution by countries and individual groups according to information as of July 2017 according to the website Eupedia R1A1, R1a is most widespread in Central and South Asia, in Central and Eastern Europe: among the ethnic group of Khotons in Mongolia - 83%, Brahmins of the Indian states of West Bengal and In Uttar Pradesh, this haplogroup occurs with a frequency of 72% and 67%, respectively. It is also common among the following peoples: Kyrgyz - up to 65%, Tajiks - from 45% to 68%, Luzhichians - 63%, Belarusians - 60%, Poles - about 56 %, Ukrainians - 53%, Russians - from 34% in the north to 55% in the south, Kuban Nogais - up to 50%, Therefore, the Operator is a very younger brother of the "real Aryans" - Asia and Europe according to R1a haplotypes.
    As for the rest of the common set of haplotypes of the Russian north, center and south, R1a1-R1b1 - N1c1-E1b1b1-J2-G2a, the Operator does not occupy leading positions in any haplogroup.
    Arias (Avest. Airya-, other.-Ind. Ā́rya-, other.-Pers. Ariya- or Aryans (also Indo-Iranians) - the name of peoples speaking the languages ​​of the Aryan (Indo-Iranian) group of the Indo-European family, derived from the self-designation of the historical peoples of Ancient Iran and Ancient India (II — I millennium BC. E.) The linguistic and cultural proximity of these peoples forces researchers to suggest the existence of the original Pra-Ary community (ancient Aryans), the descendants of which are the historical and modern Iranian and Indo-Aryan peoples.
    An operator who does not possess the necessary "Aryan" in haplogroup R1a, does not speak the languages ​​of the Aryan (Indo-Iranian) group of the Indo-European family, is not a representative of the historical modern Iranian and Indo-Aryan peoples, not only not Aryans, but also not their descendant.
    None of the modern Indo-Iranian peoples already calls themselves Aryans at the level of traditional culture, as a whole, does not recognize Aryan origin and kinship with all that have gone down in history, Aryan peoples on the basis of the common Aryan heritage ... with the exception of flat-earth workers.
    I wanted to write all this in the languages ​​of the Aryan (Indo-Iranian) group of the Indo-European family, but I thought that not all "Aryans" understand it ...
    1. lucul
      lucul 16 September 2019 20: 31
      -1
      I wanted to write all this in the languages ​​of the Aryan (Indo-Iranian) group of the Indo-European family, but I thought that not all "Aryans" understand it ...

      Aha-ahah - as I understand it, the Jews of Iranians consider Aryans))))
      Weave into a heap all the nations, still negroes with Eskimos forgot to add for credibility)))
      As I understand it - you are one of those - who does not distinguish Russian from Russian.
      It’s so personally to me that it’s violet to anyone who believes that they are Amarians a Shmaria, but genetics gives a fairly accurate answer, revealing any propaganda, even if this propaganda is almost 2 years old)))
  9. Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock
    -1
    Quote: Pavel57
    Hyperboreans and Aryans can be different nations.

    Yes, they can ... especially since the Hyperboreans are a mythical people, and the Aryans have descendants.
  10. Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock
    -2
    Quote: Svarog
    Scientists in our country cannot say anything for sure .. So many ancient artifacts are being found, and many of the finds indicate that very "advanced" civilizations lived earlier .. But this, according to scientists, cannot be, because it cannot be ..

    Yes, Svarog now on such an artifact went to the Internet ....
    What is it that is confirmed by artifacts, and scientists say that this can not be? Specify!
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    1. Zeev Zeev
      Zeev Zeev 16 September 2019 20: 20
      0
      Well, we can. We are these ... Reptiloids. Captured your brains and twist them, as we wish wassat
      But seriously, R1a is a haplogroup characteristic of the descendants of the Indo-Europeans who came to Europe from Southern Siberia in the Bronze Age and settled in the Oder and Vistula rivers. From where they began their expansion to the east and north. The most interesting thing is that right in the center of the range of this haplogroup there is a spot where its prevalence of this genetic marker is much less - the interfluve of the Volga and Oka, the land of the Moscow principality. There, this haplogroup is found in approximately the same way as in Ukraine.
      1. Operator
        Operator 16 September 2019 22: 26
        -1
        You are poorly guided in terms - when the carriers of R1a 12000 came to Europe from Altai years ago, they were not yet Indo-Europeans, since their route ran through Central and Asia Minor. And in Europe, they settled not between the Odra and Vistula rivers, but on the territory from the southern coast of the Baltic to the Sudeten Danube, the northern Black Sea coast, the Urals and the southern coast of the Arctic Ocean - as the glacier goes north, naturally.

        Due to the large habitat, R1a carriers were divided into subclades: western (currently represented among the Scandinavians - from 20 to 25%), Central European (Czechs, Slovenes, Croats, Serbs and Macedonians - from 30 to 50%), east -European (Slovaks, Poles, Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians and Bulgarians - from 30 to 55%), as well as the Black Sea (currently represented among Turks, Iranians, Jews, Arabs of the Arabian Peninsula, Indians, Pashtuns, Tajiks, Kyrgyz, Tuvans and Uyghurs - from 8,5 to 50%).

        R1a carriers became the Indo-Europeans (and the only ones) 4000 years ago, when some of them migrated back from Europe to Asia (India, Anatolia, the Middle East, Arabia, the Iranian Highlands, the Pamirs, Xinjiang and Manchuria).

        And the carriers of R1a 12000 began pan-European expansion years ago from the Balkans, where they crossed the isthmus at the site of the present Sea of ​​Marmara.

        Currently, the geographic center of the highest carrier density R1a (~ 100%) is located in the Central Black Earth Region of the Russian Federation.
  12. Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock
    0
    Quote: Mavrikiy
    Yes, they are babbling, babbling "animal style". All a chok. And there are several styles. They do not see that some of the products resemble the ancient Indians, either the Incas or the Maya. But our Indians in swimming trunks would definitely not run around Perm. 0-40. feel
    Quote: aries2200
    this is a people named Hyperboreans ... the Ural mountains in antiquity according to Aristotle - Hyperborean mountains

    Eco you blunted: in ancient sources there are various versions of the origin of hyperboreans. According to Ferenik, hyperborea grew out of the blood of the most ancient titans. According to Phanodem, they got their name from a certain Athenian Hyperborean. Philostefan says that Hyperborean was Thessalian, while others produce them from the pelasg of Hyperborea, son of Foroneus and Perimela, daughter of Aeolus]. Hyperborea was spoken of in the poem by Simius of Rhodes, Apollo. According to Mnasea of ​​Patra, they are now called delphi. And these are not all sources. In historical science, the myth of hyperborea is considered to be a special case of utopian notions of marginal peoples, characteristic of the most diverse cultures, devoid of a concrete historical basis.
    Hyperborea is devoted to a lot of literature, mainly of paranaural or occult nature. Various authors localize Hyperborea in Greenland, not far from the Ural Mountains, on the Kola Peninsula, in Karelia, on the Taimyr Peninsula; it has been suggested that Hyperborea was located on the now sunken island (or mainland) of the Arctic Ocean. And these are not all mythical locations.
    And I’ll tell you a secret that Hyperborea is located on Laputa! Laputa is an island that Gulliver visited on his journey. It is a flying island in the form of a disk with a diameter of 4,5 miles on a diamond base, moving with the help of a huge magnet. It is the residence of the ruling King Balnibarbi, who controls his possessions from the air. Laputa Island is also home to scholars whose accomplishments were far ahead of Gulliver's England. The most famous of them is the scientist Mavrikiy.
  13. Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock
    -2
    Quote: lucul
    I wanted to write all this in the languages ​​of the Aryan (Indo-Iranian) group of the Indo-European family, but I thought that not all "Aryans" understand it ...

    Aha-ahah - as I understand it, the Jews of Iranians consider Aryans))))
    Weave into a heap all the nations, still negroes with Eskimos forgot to add for credibility)))
    As I understand it - you are one of those - who does not distinguish Russian from Russian.
    It’s so personally to me that it’s violet to anyone who believes that they are Amarians a Shmaria, but genetics gives a fairly accurate answer, revealing any propaganda, even if this propaganda is almost 2 years old)))

    ***
    However, everything that I wrote is easily verified, namely, on the basis of genetics, and your gigi-snickering has no foundation, but simply blablablabla person. who has nothing to object to me.
    What do you deny in what I wrote, specifically?
    IRAN- HAYRAN is the country of Aryans. Another question is that even there are no Aryans. But there are descendants of the Aryans speaking the Aryan (Indo-Iranian) group of the Indo-European family. But they do not call themselves Aryans.
    On what basis did you think of yourself as an Aryan? You have become like the "Aryans" of the 3rd Reich, who unreasonably ranked themselves among airya- when you are an obvious anā́rya.
    Neither in terms of flat land attribution to airya- 1) in R1a, nor 2) in language or culture, the Operator does not get into airya-.
    If you are attracted to the term airya- in relation to yourself, then I would like to. so that in 1) and 2) you confirm your belonging to them in these parameters ... or some other way!
    In addition, theoretical arias are no better than real non-arias.
    1. Operator
      Operator 16 September 2019 22: 49
      0
      The Iranians include only 15% of the carriers of the Aryan haplogroup R1a (descendants of the conquerors who came from the Northern Black Sea region 2000 years ago), the rest are carriers of the North Semitic haplogroup J2 (indigenous inhabitants of the Iranian Highlands). So the Iranians are still those arias laughing

      The native language of the Aryans is Sanskrit, and the Slavic languages ​​are Sanskrit dialects, so by language I am Aryan. The culture of the Slavs is based solely on the culture of our ancestors - the Aryans (in contrast to the Anatolians, Iranians, Indians, etc., who have hybrid cultures), so by culture I am also an Aryan. My haplogroup is R1a, all of a sudden.

      Therefore, I am a native of Eastern Europe from the dominant ethnic group of 24 age of thousands of years, and you are a rootless cosmopolitan of a supermetis ethnic group of 4000 age (1 / 4 of the southern Semites, 1 / 4 of the Northern Semites, 1 / 4 of the Hamites and 1 / 4 / 8,5 / XNUMX / XNUMX / XNUMX / XNUMX / XNUMX% Aryans of the Black Sea subclade) bully
    2. lucul
      lucul 17 September 2019 07: 59
      0
      However, everything that I wrote is easily verified, namely, on the basis of genetics, and your gigi-snickering has no foundation, but simply blablablabla person. who has nothing to object to me.

      Aha-ahah brought data from the propaganda Wikipedia - yes, I myself can enter the "necessary" data there.)))
      IRAN- HAYRAN is the country of Aryans.

      And how long has Persia become Iran? )))
      On what basis did you think of yourself as an Aryan? You have become like the "Aryans" of the 3rd Reich, who unreasonably ranked themselves among airya- when you are an obvious anā́rya.

      I wrote earlier - I side with the Aryans))) I relate myself to Russian.
      Jews have 4 haplogroups in their blood in general, which does not "fight" with your Torah, but you continue to believe with fanatical faith in your chosenness of God - one of the forms of Nazism by the way)))
  14. Doctor
    Doctor 16 September 2019 21: 37
    0
    I don’t know about the Hyperboreans, but in general the Perm Territory in a geological and paleontological sense is a very interesting place. It is enough to say that a whole period of the geological era is named after him - the Perm period (Perm) 47 million years (298 - 251 million years ago), the only Russian name for the period, and also one of the most massive extinctions in the history of the Earth (Perm - 96% of marine species, 73% of terrestrial vertebrate species).
    Work in this region was carried out by Vladimir Prokhorovich Amalitsky (1860-1917), a Russian geologist, paleontologist and researcher of Perm vertebrates.

    The most famous location of the fossil remains of animals and plants of the Permian period is Chekarda.


    The skeletons of the animals that they dug there, now they are in the 4th hall of the Paleontological Museum.
  15. Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock
    -1
    Quote: Operator
    Quote: Lieutenant Colonel of the USSRF Air Force in reserve
    The operator is a mestizo. And not with the highest content of "Aryan" R1a

    You, as a Jew, are forgiven for not knowing that each person is the bearer of one single haplogroup transmitted to him through the male line - for example, R1a or N1c1 or N2 or R1b, etc.

    But specifically, you personally (possibly) are carriers of extra / extra Y chromosomes with two or more haplogroups laughing


    I specifically provoked you about mestizos, mentioning a set of haplotypes. And you succumbed. After all, it was you who first wrote about mestizos.
    "As a result," purebred "Ugric and Sami inhabit only Finland and the north of Norway, Sweden and the coast of the Arctic Ocean in the European part of Russia. Komi, Mordovians, Mari, Chuvash, Udmurts, Karelians, Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians (as well as the disappeared tribes , Mary, Murom, Berendey and others) are / were mestizos of Slavs and Ugrofinns in a ratio of 50/50 "
    And now you say that there are no mestizos by haplogroups. Then what did you mean when talking about mestizos? And the Russians. In your. mestizos or in their pristine purity do they come from some first aria? And where did the first aryan come from?
    It’s pardoning for you as non-Arius that each person is NOT ONLY the carrier of one single haplogroup, the haplogroup Y-chromosomal (Y-DNA) transmitted to him through the male line — for example, R1a or N1c1 or N2 or R1b, etc., SO SAME, devoted to him through the female line and mitochondrial (mt-DNA).
    I ask you to provide your haplogroup Y-chromosomal (Y-DNA) and mitochondrial (mt-DNA) to the studio. them to discuss and determine what is so Aryan in them and on what basis.
    You, as a landowner, need to know that you are not an aria in any of the parameters.
    1. The arias are extinct. There are their descendants, but it's not you.
    2. They were another language family.
    3. There is no Aryan haplogroup, Aryan people and Aryan group in your understanding.
    4. Your racial theory is akin to the Reich 3 theory. And also has no reason.
    5. The Aryans were no better than the Aryans.
  16. Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock
    -2
    Quote: Operator
    The Iranians include only 15% of the carriers of the Aryan haplogroup R1a (descendants of the conquerors who came from the Northern Black Sea region 2000 years ago), the rest are carriers of the North Semitic haplogroup J2 (indigenous inhabitants of the Iranian Highlands). So the Iranians are still those arias laughing

    . The culture of the Slavs is based solely on the culture of our ancestors - the Aryans (in contrast to the Anatolians, Iranians, Indians, etc., who have hybrid cultures), so by culture I am also an Aryan. My haplogroup is R1a, all of a sudden.

    Therefore, I am a native of Eastern Europe from the dominant ethnic group of 24 age of thousands of years, and you are a rootless cosmopolitan of a supermetis ethnic group of 4000 age (1 / 4 of the southern Semites, 1 / 4 of the Northern Semites, 1 / 4 of the Hamites and 1 / 4 / 8,5 / XNUMX / XNUMX / XNUMX / XNUMX / XNUMX% Aryans of the Black Sea subclade) bully


    1) I argued that there are no Aryans now, except for the self-named Operator, even in Iran. Now you confirm.
    2) "The native language of the Aryans is Sanskrit, and the Slavic languages ​​are dialects of Sanskrit, so by the language I am Aryan."
    - Bullshit is complete. Indo-European languages ​​A detailed list of Indo-European languages.
    In Sanskrit and Russian there are 380 related words, no more related words than in other languages ​​of the same Indo-European group. Therefore, they are combined into one language group. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%98%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0 % B5% D0% B9% D1% 81% D0% BA% D0% B8% D0% B5_% D1% 8F% D0% B7% D1% 8B% D0% BA% D0% B8
    3) The culture of the Slavs is based solely on the culture of our ancestors - the Aryans (unlike the Anatolians, Iranians, Indians, etc., who have hybrid cultures), so by culture I am also an Aryan.
    - The culture of the Slavs is very different. Czechs, Slovaks, Poles and Russians have little in common.
    - The culture of modern Russians is based solely on Christian culture, and not on pagan and Aryan. It was with this culture that Russia became an empire. And not with any other!
    - about the fact that the Slavs of the Aryans are the dense nonsense of dropouts. Although the arias were pastoralists, you do not reach them in development.
    5) You are a hybrid of a half-educated student who has porridge in his head, whose only virtue is that he is super-stupid and mystic with Nazi manners. For you are catastrophically stupid.
    The bead for throwing before a fool and a Nazi is over.
    6) A cosmopolitan from a supermetis ethnic group 4000 years old (1/4 southern Semites, 1/4 northern Semites, 1/4 Hamites and 1/4 others, including 8,5% of the Aryans of the Black Sea subclade) cannot be rootless if the ethnicity has 4000 years old. Confirmation that catastrophic stupidity is your main trait.
    The earth is flat, lies on an elephant, an elephant stands on a turtle, and turtles swims in the sea. Stomp on!
  17. Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock
    -3
    Perm animal style. Full of scientific research. The ignoramuses, as usual, are in shock and surprise. You need to visit museums and read books. Moreover, a lot is available on the Internet.
  18. Oleg133
    Oleg133 17 September 2019 04: 43
    +1
    scientists can’t say exactly which civilization belonged

    If scientists in Greece, France or Italy find something, then for some reason they do not have problems with the definition of civilization. And only the Russians have problems ... They find something in the Crimea, it’s the Greeks, on Lake Baikal - the Mongol-Buryats, in the north - the Finogra ... Anyone just not Russian
  19. Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock
    +1
    Quote: lucul
    However, everything that I wrote is easily verified, namely, on the basis of genetics, and your gigi-snickering has no foundation, but simply blablablabla person. who has nothing to object to me.

    Aha-ahah brought data from the propaganda Wikipedia - yes, I myself can enter the "necessary" data there.)))
    IRAN- HAYRAN is the country of Aryans.

    And how long has Persia become Iran? )))
    On what basis did you think of yourself as an Aryan? You have become like the "Aryans" of the 3rd Reich, who unreasonably ranked themselves among airya- when you are an obvious anā́rya.

    I wrote earlier - I side with the Aryans))) I relate myself to Russian.
    Jews have 4 haplogroups in their blood in general, which does not "fight" with your Torah, but you continue to believe with fanatical faith in your chosenness of God - one of the forms of Nazism by the way)))


    1) The Torah is for me the same as all the other mythical and religious tales of all the peoples of the Earth: cultural and historical heritage. I am an atheist, for I taught well at school and the university. natural, humanitarian social sciences. The Torah is a mixture of historical, unhistorical and religious events, myths, legends, fairy tales and delusions. I am an atheist, for I taught well at school and high school. natural, humanitarian social sciences.
    2) Persia became Iran a long time ago. Because it is the self-name of the country.
    Iran’s name "Irɒn" (Pers. ايراﻥ) through pahl. Erān goes back to Avesta. Airyāna, which is formed from the self-name of the ancient Indo-Iranians - “arya” and is either the adjective “Aryan country” or the genetics “Country of Aryans” in the expression of type avest. airyanam dahyunam - "country of the Aryans" [10].
    In the era of the Achaemenids (550–327 BC), the ancient Iranian concept of “Aryānam Dahyunam” was transformed into another Persian. “Aryānam Xšaθram” - “The State of the Aryans”, which subsequently gave the name to the state of Arshakids (250 BC – 224 AD) - Aryānšaθr / Aryānšahr.
    3) Persia - the Greek name for the historical region of Parsuash (hence also ancient Greek. Persis) in southern Iran, now Fars, on the shore of the Persian Gulf. The Persian language has a similar term (Persian پرشیا - pershiyâ), which in itself is one of the rare cases of “back borrowing”. Sometimes it is used to generically designate Iranian states before the Arab conquest, but in most cases, talking about their country in any historical period, the Iranians use the name "Iran", sometimes the "Iranian Empire" (pers. امپراطوری ایران - emperâtori-ye irân) . The name "Iran" was finally entrenched in the Sassanid era. (224–651)
    4) Do Jews have 4 haplogroups in their blood? I do not understand what you stated.
    Any man (of any nationality) has 2 haplogroups: one by father, the other by mother, and a woman (of any nationality) one - by mother. As for the Jews in general, like other nations, there are several main haplogroups. The main Jewish haplogroups can be called 8 - these are J1c, J2a, E1b1b1, R1b1a2, G2c, T1, R1a1-Z93, Q1b.
    5) That you relate yourself to the Aryans, then you do not relate. Either you speak Sanskrit, then you don’t.