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The agreement on Euroassociation forces Ukraine to pump gas from Russia to the EU without a contract

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The European Union reminded Kiev that Ukraine had at one time signed an agreement on Euro-association, which stipulates, among other things, compliance with European energy standards. What does this threaten Kiev with?


The agreement on Euroassociation forces Ukraine to pump gas from Russia to the EU without a contract


TASS, citing sources in the Euroenergy industry, reports that Brussels intends to offer Russia gas supplies to Europe even if a contract with Ukraine is not signed by 31 on December 2019. Before Ukraine signed the association agreement with the EU, this was almost impossible, but now Europe makes it clear that Ukraine will have to comply with its obligations.

So, the agreements provide for the operator of the Ukrainian gas transportation system to auction gas transit capacities, even if there is no contract with the supplier. For obvious reasons, Gazprom will be able to not only participate in such an auction for gas supplies to the EU, but also ultimately receive the right to pump “blue fuel”.

This situation in Ukraine looks alarming in connection with the fact that all the gas that will be pumped into the Ukrainian pipe should be sent to the European Union. It would be virtually impossible to leave even a cubic meter of gas “for oneself” (that is, to steal). Refusal to pump Ukraine will mean refusal of agreements reached in the framework of the European Association.

It turns out that now Ukraine also receives the energy “fruits” of signing the agreement with the EU. If earlier Kiev could manage the facilities of its gas transportation system, now it is obliged to fulfill the agreements with Europe. Somehow, it doesn’t come out with “overpowering”, and even a few days ago they were so happy that Gazprom’s access to the European OPAL gas pipeline was limited by the suit of the Poles.
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  1. Pedrodepackes
    Pedrodepackes 16 September 2019 08: 11
    +1
    If earlier Kiev could manage the capacities of its GTS itself, now it is obliged to fulfill the agreements with Europe. Somehow it doesn’t come out with a "reversal"
    well, if that were the case, but Euro-lawyers will find some pitfalls in the agreements and again they will start twisting our hands.
    1. ltc35
      ltc35 16 September 2019 08: 15
      +26
      But why should the Euro-lawyers? This alignment of the old woman-Europe will suit very well. All. Well, besides Ukraine, of course.
      1. Pedrodepackes
        Pedrodepackes 16 September 2019 08: 17
        +1
        Quote: ltc35
        This alignment of the old woman-Europe will suit very well.

        yes, but here the question of the only European fighter in the face of Ukraine in the face of Ukraine, Europe has already shot twice in the foot for them with SP-2 and OPAL
        1. Thrall
          Thrall 16 September 2019 08: 25
          +10
          Information looks like a mental attack before the gas talks.
          1. cniza
            cniza 16 September 2019 09: 00
            +8
            This is just a warm-up, how many more surprises will be presented ...
            1. The black
              The black 16 September 2019 09: 20
              +5
              Gazprom decision on OPAL, as for an elephant grain. Most likely they will find a way to level it. If the court’s decision is not canceled, then they will create some kind of left-wing company on the farmers and fit into the framework of European law. The company will take gas from SP-1 or SP-2 and transfer it to OPAL (there are no other options in the case of opal) .... and everyone will be happy, especially the management of the new company smile ... everything except the consumer.
              So pumping through Ukraine without a contract is a safety net in case you cannot keep up with SP-2 before the end of the year ...
              1. Thrall
                Thrall 16 September 2019 10: 04
                +5
                Quote: Black
                Gazprom decision on OPAL, as for an elephant grain. Most likely they will find a way to level it.

                Together with the Hydrometeorological Center smile
                After negotiations on gas, completely different arrangements will be. The OPAL decision is a purely tactical step to weaken Russia's negotiating positions.
              2. Leshy1975
                Leshy1975 16 September 2019 10: 58
                -4
                Quote: Black
                Gazprom decision on OPAL, as for an elephant grain. Most likely they will find a way to level it. If the court’s decision is not canceled, then they will create some kind of left-wing company on the farmers and fit into the framework of European law. The company will take gas from SP-1 or SP-2 and transfer it to OPAL (there are no other options in the case of opal) .... and everyone will be happy, especially the management of the new company smile ... everything except the consumer.
                So pumping through Ukraine without a contract is a safety net in case you cannot keep up with SP-2 before the end of the year ...

                Yeah, well. Europeans are, as always, inconsiderate, and Gazprom has bent everyone. In dreams.
                In reality, they divorced Gazprom with OPAL. And not for that they bred, so that it would be so easy to get around this. If it succeeds in circumventing the ban, then it will certainly cost Gazprom dearly. But things are not going well with him anyway, even positive statistics have to be completed (source Lenta.ru):
                The fall in demand for Russian gas in Europe made Gazprom to improve statistics, start selling it to subsidiary Gazprombank. This conclusion was reached by Interfax with reference to sources in the industry.
                According to the agency, shipments to Europe in the first half of the year fell by 8,9 percent compared to the same period a year ago. In the first days of August, the fall reached 22 percent. Then a certain customer immediately bought a billion cubic meters.
                None of the pipeline operators recorded deliveries of such a volume of gas, and market sources confirmed that Gazprombank was the buyer. According to them, purchases are held in uniform portions under repurchase agreements, that is, with the obligation to resell through a specified period at a predetermined price. Gazprom owns the bank 35 percent directly, and 47 percent through the Gazfond Pension Fund.

                PS I personally do not persuade you, if you think that everything is going fine, you can continue to believe in it. Then, there will be a surprise.
                If anyone thinks I sympathize with the Europeans, then here fool It’s just that I really got tired of the situation when failures in politics and economics are presented as successes and victories. And I’m Leshy, and not Alice from the looking glass, where everything is more wonderful and wonderful and vice versa. hi
                1. Sarmat Sanych
                  Sarmat Sanych 16 September 2019 11: 21
                  +5
                  Goblin, stop writing nonsense and collecting gossip. The volume of consumption in Europe fell for ALL, therefore, a reduction in supplies occurred for ALL suppliers, and Gazprom was less than the rest. At the same time, the Russian gas giant occupies about 60% of European gas imports and the share is growing. And what kind of "failures in politics" do you have there - apparently you need to ask your memory. Moreover, "Lenta.ru" is such a source that the "Murzilka" magazine is more authoritativelaughing. Russia is a global energy leader, even in the gas, even in the oil, even in the nuclear industry.
                  1. Leshy1975
                    Leshy1975 16 September 2019 11: 52
                    -4
                    Quote: Sarmat Sanych
                    Goblin, stop writing nonsense and collecting gossip. The volume of consumption in Europe fell for ALL, therefore, a reduction in supplies occurred for ALL suppliers, and Gazprom was less than the rest. At the same time, the Russian gas giant occupies about 60% of European gas imports and the share is growing. And what kind of "failures in politics" do you have there - apparently you need to ask your memory. Moreover, "Lenta.ru" is such a source that the "Murzilka" magazine is more authoritativelaughing. Russia is a global energy leader, even in the gas, even in the oil, even in the nuclear industry.

                    So I did not understand, the reduction in supplies occurred for everyone and everyone also began to sell to themselves, like Gazprom? And how Gazprom "makes" positive statistics for itself, I have shown above. Those. You cannot trust the tape, but you can take Gazprom's data after such "tricks".
                    Well, well.
                    1. Sarmat Sanych
                      Sarmat Sanych 16 September 2019 11: 57
                      +5
                      Firstly, the Gazprom data is CONFIRMED by the data of the European Gas Operator and the International Energy Agency. Secondly, in Russia there is the St. Petersburg Gas Exchange, in which anyone can buy gas from the producer and sell the spot to the buyer, and to anyone anywhere on the Earth. Gazprombank only resold these spots to European or Asian or even American customers. Teach materiel and do not go where you do not rummage.
                      1. Leshy1975
                        Leshy1975 16 September 2019 12: 11
                        -4
                        Quote: Sarmat Sanych
                        Firstly, the Gazprom data is CONFIRMED by the data of the European Gas Operator and the International Energy Agency. Secondly, in Russia there is the St. Petersburg Gas Exchange, in which anyone can buy gas from the producer and sell the spot to the buyer, and to anyone anywhere on the Earth. Gazprombank only resold these spots to European or Asian or even American customers. Teach materiel and do not go where you do not rummage.

                        Hey, very fumbling, if Gazprombank belongs to Gazprom, then in fact, Gazprom sold it to itself, at least through the exchange, at least in the gateway. And since you are so fumbling, then give the data, where exactly after that:
                        Gazprombank only resold these spots to European or Asian or even American customers.
                      2. Sarmat Sanych
                        Sarmat Sanych 16 September 2019 12: 14
                        +3
                        Read above about Gazprombank and tighten your education level to talk to me in an equal dialogue.
                      3. Leshy1975
                        Leshy1975 16 September 2019 12: 26
                        -7
                        Quote: Sarmat Sanych
                        Read above about Gazprombank and tighten your education level to talk to me in an equal dialogue.

                        Well, overpriced self-esteem is also an argument. Some have.
                        Happy to stay. hi
                      4. Sarmat Sanych
                        Sarmat Sanych 16 September 2019 12: 37
                        +7
                        It’s normal that you get root because Russia is an energy leader and in a year UkroGTS goes to scrap. By the way, to make it more fun to suffer, information: Rosatom State Corporation is the global ruler of the nuclear industry, 68% of the world's nuclear power plants under construction, 50% of the world's uranium enrichment, about 60% of the RTG market, the only company capable of building and building nuclear icebreakers, MOX closed-loop fuel, 3+ operating reactors, floating nuclear power plants, nuclear batteries, nuclear power plants, the largest contract in the history of mankind for the construction of 20 power units and India, and the total volume of Rosatom contracts in a dozen countries exceeds $ 200 billion. Suffer.
                      5. Leshy1975
                        Leshy1975 16 September 2019 12: 58
                        -1
                        Quote: Sarmat Sanych
                        It’s normal that you get root because Russia is an energy leader and in a year UkroGTS goes to scrap. By the way, to make it more fun to suffer, information: Rosatom State Corporation is the global ruler of the nuclear industry, 68% of the world's nuclear power plants under construction, 50% of the world's uranium enrichment, about 60% of the RTG market, the only company capable of building and building nuclear icebreakers, MOX closed-loop fuel, 3+ operating reactors, floating nuclear power plants, nuclear batteries, nuclear power plants, the largest contract in the history of mankind for the construction of 20 power units and India, and the total volume of Rosatom contracts in a dozen countries exceeds $ 200 billion. Suffer.

                        And Rosatom, to Gazprom, which side turned out to be? Did I write something about Rosatom? Horses mixed up in a bunch, people. And the question is, give a tooth that
                        ukroGTS in a year
                        going to scrap? And then Miller in 2015 already promised that transit through Ukraine in 2019 is all.

                        I lied. You’re not like that personally, you won’t lie, right? Well, how do you give a tooth?

                        PS But it makes you sad, quickly merged to the cliches: Echoes of matzo and Ukrainians.
                        I live in Russia, "dear". And to me the Ukrainian GTS is not in any way. But the fact that Gazprom is being thrown is, yes, annoying. Because losses from "successes", Gazprom will cover from the country's budget, i.e. out of the common pocket.
                      6. Sarmat Sanych
                        Sarmat Sanych 16 September 2019 17: 38
                        -1
                        Fuck-pound in your saucepanlaughing... Everything was mixed up, and the owners of "ekhamatsy" where you screwed up and links to the tape.cru and "common pocket", etc. I repeat, teach the materiel, Gazprom has been the largest taxpayer in Russia for 19 years now and, by the way, the largest employer, directly for about 300 thousand Russians and for about 1,5 million Russians from contractors.
                        And instead of videos, it’s better to take a look at how many hundreds of interviews Western leaders gave that they would not allow the construction of either SP-1 or Turkish Streams or SP-2, what kind of titanic opposition of the United States (with dozens of satellites and financial groups) was mobilized, and Gazprom put all this shrouder on the shoulder blades , although many times inferior in resources and influence.
                        PS Regarding the transit for gidnyuk, I admit that 30 billion cubic meters (out of 85 at the moment) may well be left if they behave well and fulfill all our conditions.
                      7. Sharky
                        Sharky 16 September 2019 17: 40
                        -2
                        Allow me to supplement your thought, Leshy1975.
                        I can tell you a little about Holland. Everyone there was obsessed with green energy. For example, now it is very popular to install solar panels on roofs. Refusal of central heating (and it depends on gas directly). So, solar panels are installed everywhere and excess electricity is returned to the network, this is all taken into account in utility bills. Specifically, the Dutchman with whom I communicate will install an infrared heated floor to the panels on the roof and be heated without central heating. Issue price for him: 12000 oiro. And all this will pay off in 2,5 years. Despite the fact that the life cycle of the panels (which it will install) is 15-20 years. So, the rejection (reduction of its consumption) of gas is in full swing in the Netherlands.
                      8. Mihail2019
                        Mihail2019 16 September 2019 19: 16
                        +1
                        With loans from the budget - just fine! If you don’t know where the budget is formed from, and where those solar panels come from ..
                        And let's look at the energy balance of Holland - and let us open an amazing thing for "unclouded" brains - that this country is energy deficient!
                        And no large production of material resources, not services, it is not able to create that is why! Smelting aluminum or mechanical assembly workshop for the assembly of "BMW" - this is not here!
                        Warm up the toilet by accumulating solar energy - please! And as soon as an energy density of more than 1 kW / sq.m is required. - this is not here!
                      9. Sharky
                        Sharky 16 September 2019 22: 22
                        0
                        With loans from the budget - just fine!

                        Perhaps I didn’t go into details, I just wrote how much he would pay from his pocket. I can clarify for you whether the state helps or not.
                        that this country is energy deficient!

                        And what, are solar panels banned in energy-deficient countries? You understand the simple thing that cooperation and production in the European Union is very developed. In the days of the USSR, too, far from everything was produced in Russia.
                        And no major production of material resources, not services

                        I’m throwing you a real Dutch production right away, I’ll open it for “clear” brains, as you put it:
                        - The giant royal Philips: the manufacture of electrical equipment from fluorescent lamps and ending with excellent rotary razors. At the razor itself: made in Netherlands.
                        - Shipyard Damen, already not only in Holland, feels great around the world.
                        - Royal IHC is a large dredger and suction pump company.
                        - Royal Boskalis - development / construction of dredgers. Dredging around the world.
                        - Van Oord, the same thing, competitors.
                        I’ll tell you a little secret: our country buys dredgers from the last three companies. We ourselves cannot build such ones, understand?
                        - Nijhuis Pompen BV, the world's largest pump manufacturer. Do not meet a sailor who did not work with them (engine crew).
                        - We will not touch Royal Shell Dutch, everyone saw the shell, and this is a Dutch-British company.
                        It’s just that the first thing came to mind. And, yes ... Royal prefix just do not get for beautiful eyes.
                      10. Mihail2019
                        Mihail2019 17 September 2019 01: 47
                        +1
                        That's right, only what does the jurisdiction of the head office have to do with production, for some reason you were modestly silent. Surely because all these industries, at least energy-consuming capacities, have long been out of Holland. The maximum is the finishing of parts and the final assembly, which do not require any very strong energy costs. And so yes ..
                        Especially about the Philipps made laugh !! Golem transnationals with production all over the world, where energy and labor resources are cheaper .. But the pain in the neck and money are in the Netherlands. Of course, then why not sponsor green energy at home, while at the same time robbing some kind of Indonesia ..
                      11. Sharky
                        Sharky 17 September 2019 06: 42
                        -2
                        Yes, it receives a subsidy of 4000 oiro from above.
                        all over the world, where energy and labor are cheaper .. But the pain in the neck, and money - in the Netherlands.

                        Turnkey production, 100%: Holland cheeses. I love “old Amsterdam” very much. Recommend.
                        So, now almost everyone does it. Develop iphone in Cupertino, assemble in China. Screens order from one, processors from another office. So what, I ask?
                        Ours do that too. Bought a Stern bike. Russian brand, assembly in China, speed system - Shimano. Sound speakers and a subwoofer I already have 20 of the deceased firms of domestic AVE, assembly - China.
                      12. Mihail2019
                        Mihail2019 16 September 2019 18: 43
                        0
                        GTS, if it is not maintained in proper condition, will really go into scrap! There is at least dancing with pots on your head, at least not dancing - but a serious technically complex object requires a serious technically competent attitude.
                        A "serious technically competent approach" was demonstrated by Ukrainaya on the example of the Zaporozhye submarine.
                        If the only submarine (diesel!) Could not be put in order, this is an indicator!
                        Thank God vigorous loaves were taken from them ..
                      13. tatarin_ru
                        tatarin_ru 17 September 2019 20: 45
                        +1
                        and the total volume of Rosatom contracts in a dozen countries exceeds $ 200 billion.

                        By the way, so many conversations about Gazprom and dreams come true, but if you take into account the volumes of Rosneft, Rosatom, OboronExport's revenues, then the revenue companies are at least commensurate, sit quietly on the sidelines, earn money, one Gazprom is struggling with the adversary wink
                        the largest employer, directly for about 300 thousand Russians

                        One of the few companies that pays senior employees a second pension from themselves for life.
                        Regarding the transit for Gidnyuk, I assume that 30 billion cubic meters (out of 85 at the moment) may well leave

                        Ukrainians themselves have said many times that the problem of hydraulic structures and contracts in the minimum pumping volumes, if less than 45 billion cubic meters, it is impossible, if less than 60 billion cubic meters it is unprofitable.
                      14. Sarmat Sanych
                        Sarmat Sanych 17 September 2019 20: 50
                        -1
                        There seems to be less than 35 is impossible, and below the profitability - fifty dollars. But I admit that you have more correct numbers.
                      15. tatarin_ru
                        tatarin_ru 17 September 2019 21: 16
                        0
                        there seems to be less than 35 is impossible, and below the profitability - fifty dollars

                        They used to say so, now that way, I think the level of expertise in Ukraine allows a similar error. laughing
                        The point is that the contracts we offer do not suit them, in fact, any, and after the implementation of SP2, we will definitely not pump over 80 billion cubic meters, which means kirdyk.
                        Well, construction will be delayed due to Denmark for half a year - a year, then it’s still kirdyk.
                        This, by the way, will open our hands on other issues. GTS today is a significant deterrent.
                      16. Sarmat Sanych
                        Sarmat Sanych 18 September 2019 13: 00
                        0
                        Because of Denmark, there may be a delay of only a month, even taking into account braking. So I think they’ll do everything quickly. I agree with the rest.
                      17. Beringovsky
                        Beringovsky 18 September 2019 00: 06
                        -4
                        Congratulations, Mr. Sovramshi ...
                        “I regularly meet everywhere the statement that“ Rosatom is currently building 34 nuclear power plants abroad, which is 67% of all construction in the world ”...

                        The reality is completely different: in total, Rosatom is conducting the main construction (which begins with pouring concrete into the foundation plate of the nuclear island) 10 blocks, 3 of them in Russia and 7 abroad.
                        At the same time, if we read Rosatom’s Tianwan blocks, we must remember that the Chinese are building and installing them, and Rosatom is preparing RKD, supplying the reactor plant equipment and some other small things, i.e. really gets about 1/3 of the project money. In this case, 4 blocks of AP-1000 should be counted as Westinghouse, and 2 blocks of Taishan - Areva (not counting, however, out of these six, today 2 have already been completed and put into operation).

                        In total, Westinghouse then turns out 6 (-1 started) blocks in construction, and Orano (formerly Areva) + EDF has 4 blocks + 2 blocks for site preparation (we are talking about Hinkley Point C, which has a strange status - the official first concrete is not was, but in reality, the foundation slab of the nuclear island of Unit 1 has long been flooded), finally KEPCO - also 4 units. Rosatom, of course, is ahead of the rest of the world, but "34 units being built abroad" is 2 times more than the entire current export construction of nuclear power plants.


                        https://tnenergy.livejournal.com/136863.html "
                      18. Sarmat Sanych
                        Sarmat Sanych 18 September 2019 13: 13
                        0
                        Бггг)) I've already seen this crap source. Firstly, Westinghouse no longer conducts any construction, the Chinese are trying to bring their unfinished rattle cars themselves, realizing that in this case the result is deplorable. There is no such thing now as "Westinghouse", forget it, there are pitiful crumbs and lack of competencies. They also most likely will not be able to complete anything on their territory, the state is actually half fired. The same can be said about the French, but don’t even mention Hinckley Point, the horse hasn’t been lying there yet, and Areva’s share there will be in the money, at best a third, the Chinese and British contractors will intercept. Thirdly, this rubbish about "a third for the money" in the Tianwan blocks, in my opinion, even at Martsinkevich's was dismantled, there the Chinese would like a third if they got a third. Plus, Rosatom has already signed contracts for the construction of 4 more blocks in the same place for $ 19,7 billion and the construction of TWENTY blocks in India until 2030, the contract amount is over $ HUNDRED BILLION - the largest one-time contract in the nuclear industry in the entire history of mankind. And finally, the Koreans in the UAE are not really building anything, and most likely they will not complete the extremely underdeveloped project. So Rosatom is the ruler of the world's nuclear industry, and it is not without reason that the UN itself entered into an agreement with it as the sole executor of the Global Energy project until 2050 to reduce the deficit in energy capacity.
                      19. Beringovsky
                        Beringovsky 18 September 2019 14: 20
                        -2
                        Sarmat Sanych
                        Bggg)) I already saw this crap source.

                        A normal source, and a competent author, anyone can verify this by clicking on the links.
                        Bring your own, "non-lazy" laughing
                        Sarmat Sanych
                        Moore about "a third for money" in the Tianwan blocks, in my opinion, even at Martsinkevich's place, there the Chinese would like to know if a third gets

                        Well, to what "did they figure it out"? With figures and explanations, where did that come from? And so - an unfounded statement. tongue
                        Sarmat Sanych
                        There is no such thing now as "Westinghouse", forget it, there are pitiful crumbs and lack of competencies.

                        Oh well, so pathetic crumbs? crying
                        "Four Westinghouse fuel production plants - in South Carolina, Springfield (England), Westros (Sweden) and Kumatori (Japan) provide 4 power nuclear reactors with fuel, which is 147% of the world market. Against 31% share of Rosatom is a very serious figure. "
                        This is from your Marcinkiewicz, by the way ...
                        http://geoenergetics.ru/2017/02/02/kontury-rossijsko-amerikanskoj-bolshoj-sdelki/
                        Something to argue? lol
                      20. Sarmat Sanych
                        Sarmat Sanych 19 September 2019 12: 07
                        +1
                        What are your "sources"?) Open the sites of the IAEA and the World Energy Council and do not carry heresy. By the way, from 8 to 13 September the World Energy Congress was held in Abu Dhabi, our office carried an official delegation of Russian power engineers, Likhachev was there too, read the reports on the websites of Posatom and the Ministry of Energy. How you lured me, mothers "experts" from social networks.
                        About Westinghouse was amused, and TVEL is angry, this segment does not make up 10% of the full nuclear cycle at a cost either. I’m not talking about the fact that Rosatom produces 50% of the enriched uranium of the planet, and that the only unbroken unit of Westinghouse is half dependent on Russian uranium, and Russia has the most advanced centrifuges in the world (the French are not very close) with the lowest production costs.
                      21. Beringovsky
                        Beringovsky 18 September 2019 14: 32
                        -1
                        Sarmat Sanych
                        construction of TWENTY blocks in India until 2030, the amount of the contract is more than HUNDRED $ -

                        Well, and what kind of source? Not this one, by chance

                        wassat laughing lol
                        do not look at the date, right?
                        By the way, the feed is funny-
                        Russia will build 20 blocks ...
                        Kiriyenko stated what rf will build 20 blocks ...
                        Russia can build to 20 blocks ....
                      22. Sarmat Sanych
                        Sarmat Sanych 19 September 2019 12: 09
                        0
                        What year 2009laughing? The agreement was signed this September at the Eastern Economic Forum in Vladivostok, Modi and Putin even made a press conference about this. Open Google and see hundreds of links.
                      23. Beringovsky
                        Beringovsky 18 September 2019 00: 45
                        -4
                        Sarmat Sanych
                        Rosatom - the global ruler of the nuclear industry

                        Again untrue, ah yai yay, no shame
                        Number of blocks / power

                        US 99/99 952
                        France 58/63 130
                        Japan 42/39 752
                        China 39/34 514
                        Russia 35/26 142

                        So where is Rosatom, the "master of atomic energy"?
                      24. Sarmat Sanych
                        Sarmat Sanych 18 September 2019 13: 14
                        -1
                        And here the old huts built by pendosos, japs ​​and paddles. We are talking about the future and present of the atom, and here Russia is a hegemon.
                      25. Beringovsky
                        Beringovsky 18 September 2019 15: 09
                        -2
                        All this is only in your imagination.
                      26. Sarmat Sanych
                        Sarmat Sanych 19 September 2019 12: 12
                        0
                        It’s good that you are thrilled by the power of the Russian Nuclear Industrygood. You are in the first stage - Denial. Next comes Anger, followed by Bargaining, then Depression and finally Acceptance, you have a lot of events ahead of youlaughing.
                      27. Beringovsky
                        Beringovsky 18 September 2019 01: 15
                        -4
                        Sarmat Sanych
                        The total volume of Rosatom contracts in a dozen countries exceeds $ 200 billion. Suffer.

                        Yeah, apparently, I’ll have to suffer, because all this will be built at the expense of the Russian budget, i.e. at the expense of Russian taxpayers, our account.
                        "... almost all of Rosatom's export projects featured loans from the Government of the Russian Federation, starting right from the first wave of nuclear power plants: Tianwan 1 & 2 in China, Kudankulam 1 & 2 nuclear power plants in India were built on international loans from the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation ...
                        ... As for new export directions, the situation here is much more tense for Russian financiers. Almost all projects and all contracts for new nuclear power plants have Russian funding ... "


                        Those. all the rest will receive less money - health care, education, science, pensioners in the end. So yes, you have to suffer.
                      28. Sarmat Sanych
                        Sarmat Sanych 18 September 2019 13: 18
                        0
                        Raise your level of education to speak with me in an equal dialogue. These snot about "built on loans will not get for the rest" has been sorted out thousands of times. When Russia gives a loan to a country for the construction of a nuclear power plant, this loan, even without getting to that country, is ALREADY TRANSFERRED TO THE ACCOUNTS OF ASE AND OTHER ROSATOM CONTRACTORS. The same scheme as China is building facilities, for example, in Africa, giving related loans to Africans and in fact they are being mastered by their own teams. And most importantly, who is at the same time loaded with hundreds of Russian enterprises of the nuclear industry and there is a decent salary for at least half a million Russians working in this area.
                      29. Beringovsky
                        Beringovsky 18 September 2019 15: 06
                        -2
                        Sarmat Sanych
                        Pull up your level of education to speak with me in an equal dialogue.

                        Ahahah, rzhunemogu laughing lol
                        Yes, you have, in all your comments on ten sentences not a single comma wassat
                        We do not know how to commas? crying We did not hear about them?belay
                        Oh you, "Abrazavanets")))
                        The same scheme as China is building facilities for example in Africa

                        "Approaching the station my hat flew off ..."
                        lol learn how to make sentences competently, for starters
                        Well, the logic is generally amazing.
                        Remove hundreds of billions from your economy, directing them to the development of strangers!
                        It’s like giving a neighbor a loan from the family budget. Then this neighbor will hire you, for your own money, to build a barn for yourself. Ingenious!
                        And your wife will feed, drink, dress, shoe you all this time, right?
                        And the neighbor will pay off later, when there is money. May be...
                        This is an awesome strategy. fellow Yes?
                        And why am I not surprised that all sorts of Egyptian Turks agree?
                      30. Sarmat Sanych
                        Sarmat Sanych 19 September 2019 12: 24
                        0
                        Poop?) Take off your pantslaughing... You are as familiar with economics as a guinea pig is with the sea. What are the "withdrawals from the economy", a miracle? What is it, the whole world, all the banks of the planet are working, because they lend to foreign borrowers?) And the most stupid are apparently Chinese, because they distributed 2 trillion tied loans to the whole world and thereby ensured the loading of their construction industry. Apparently the stupid ones understand that it is impossible to pour money into the economy just like that without accelerating inflation. No one withdraws a ruble from the Russian economy, money goes there from the NWF and VEB, and the state, in turn, is returned, the reserves of the NWF, VEB and the Central Bank are growing annually (only our gold reserves are already $ 530 miilard, of which gold is 2300 tons). For example, the Belarusian nuclear power plant in Ostrovets (by the way, my small homeland) is just being commissioned in a couple of months, and Belarus has already given a quarter of the loan, while 80% of the contracts were made by Russian companies. I am generally silent about the Turks and Egyptians, study the conditions, you see, you will understand the principle of those projects and the structure of financing.
              3. Mihail2019
                Mihail2019 16 September 2019 18: 31
                +4
                Yeah, in fact, they have long been "muddied" about the SP-2. There you can decipher this SP-2 as: "joint venture -2". Like, gas at the entrance to OPAL is bought by some Intergashell with a 49,9% share of Gazprom. And voila - the share of exactly Gazprom, net also 49,9%, the rest - of the office, which is half Gazprom, which in fact is the dying Gazprom. And work at full capacity as you like !!
                1. Sarmat Sanych
                  Sarmat Sanych 17 September 2019 20: 48
                  -2
                  Elementary Watson)))
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 16 September 2019 08: 58
          +3
          Quote: Pedrodepackes
          Europe has already twice shot itself in the foot for them with SP-2 and OPAL

          Something came to mind the words of the song "You Zin run up against rudeness, you will offend everything ...."
        3. 210ox
          210ox 16 September 2019 12: 02
          +1
          And how did it shoot? Europe will be full of gas anyway. But how much will the budget of Gazprom be licked is a question. Although it is possible to create "independent" horns and hooves there. But again the question is with the jurisdiction of such firms. Or, in fact, leave transit through Ukraine ...
        4. aszzz888
          aszzz888 16 September 2019 12: 47
          +1
          Pedrodepackes (Alex) Today, 08: 17
          +1
          Quote: ltc35
          This alignment of the old woman-Europe will suit very well.

          yes, but here the question is about the only European wrestler in the Mordor in the person of Ukraine, Europe has already twice shot itself in the foot for them with SP-2 and OPAL

          ... and cartridges still remained in the clip ... wink
      2. Polite Moose
        Polite Moose 16 September 2019 09: 52
        0
        Quote: ltc35
        This alignment of the old woman-Europe will suit very well. All. Well, besides Ukraine, of course.

        You are about the Maraican dad forgot.
      3. Leshy1975
        Leshy1975 16 September 2019 10: 43
        -11
        Quote: ltc35
        But why should the Euro-lawyers? This alignment of the old woman-Europe will suit very well. All. Well, besides Ukraine, of course.

        Gazprom is the least satisfied with this situation. Because the European Court’s limitation of half the flow capacity clearly says only that you can’t do without Ukrainian transit. And in fact, Europeans are pushing for a 10-year contract with a pumping volume of at least 60 billion cubic meters. in year. But Ukraine wants a little expensive for such a transit, and if it’s just for a year, then it’s prohibitively expensive.
        And everything else, today, is the bravura speech of the state. propaganda: all is well, beautiful Marquise.
        I also have an example of how news that are profitable for today's authorities appear (source znak.com):
        according to the transcript of the August 19 briefing, published on the Kremlin’s website, the French president said that the "yellow vests" cannot be elected to the European Parliament because they violate the rights of other citizens.
        In a translation of the French radio RFI, Macron’s statement literally sounded quite the opposite: “Those who went to protests (in France) freely participated in the elections. Those who are called the "yellow vests" freely participated in the elections to the European Parliament, and they will participate in municipal elections. And this is very good.

        PS For those who rush to accuse me of not believing "our media" and "our government." Yes, your authorities are already so lying that it is not possible to watch and listen. I'm with liars, I don't want to have anything to do. But with this person, I agree:
        1. Avalex
          Avalex 16 September 2019 11: 03
          +3
          It's ridiculous! Exchange Analyst! Already 8 years old !!!
          1. Leshy1975
            Leshy1975 16 September 2019 11: 08
            -7
            Quote: Avalex
            It's ridiculous! Exchange Analyst! Already 8 years old !!!

            And what from this? Maybe he misinterpreted the words of Oreshkin or Putin or the data of Rosstat? He also has a plaid shirt, also a reason to laugh. Once you can’t refute his words. So, laugh further, Alex. hi
            1. Avalex
              Avalex 16 September 2019 11: 32
              +4
              His words are commonplace manipulation, a mixture of truth, fiction, and “right conclusions.” Not valid at all :) :) :)
              1. Leshy1975
                Leshy1975 16 September 2019 11: 47
                -7
                Quote: Avalex
                His words are commonplace manipulation, a mixture of truth, fiction, and “right conclusions.” Not valid at all :) :) :)

                And for me, it’s just you Alexei who deny the innocent. And the fact that the words of Oreshkin and Putin about the growth of incomes of the population do not correspond to the data of even Rosstat is a fact. And he is easily checked, speeches and dates of statements of the indicated gentlemen are available on the network, statistics also.

                And with the fact that this does not apply to everyone, I agree to all 100%. Here you are personally, stubbornly reluctant to notice that the words of the authorities diverge greatly from her deeds. But we are all different and everyone chooses what to believe in (and how this relates to reality, it will become completely clear over time). I don’t see any reason to argue further, because the facts themselves you are not trying to refute.
                Good luck to you. hi
              2. Vadim237
                Vadim237 16 September 2019 21: 10
                0
                I fully confirm.
        2. Sarmat Sanych
          Sarmat Sanych 16 September 2019 11: 40
          +5
          Bgggglaughing "znak.com"))) In short, hhlotroll has already collected all the prop endos media here, there is only "observer", "echo of matzo" and "1 + 1" to insert, then the roll order will begood. The falling minuscule powers of 50% Opal are compensated by e-le-men-tar-no. Nel works - it’s 25 billion cubic meters, 50% of the available Opal 15 billion, Yamal-Europe 45 billion cubic meters, do not forget about the Blue Stream, also Gazprom’s LNG in Kaliningrad 10 billion cubic meters, the finished first thread of the Turkish Stream 16 billion cubic meters, the second for the same begins pumping at the end of next year, at the beginning of 2020, about 30% of the finished SP-2 will go directly to Germany, after completing the transition in 2021, the entire SP-2 will work, I recall its capacity of 55 billion cubic meters (although experts say that the real 60 billion cubic meters ) That's all, only 85 will remain at ukroGTS with the previous annual pumping of 30 billion, without this amount it is technically impossible to supply gas to Kastryulia itself, a technical feature of the gas transmission system. And if the skakuas behave well, otherwise we will finally reduce coal, fuel oil, bitumen, transit and gasoline - this is equivalent to depopulation and the extinction of this territory. They are completely dependent on the will of Russia, we want to throw feed in the trough, we want not to throwsmile
          1. Leshy1975
            Leshy1975 16 September 2019 12: 07
            -6
            Quote: Sarmat Sanych
            Bgggglaughing "znak.com"))) In short, hhlotroll has already collected all the prop endos media here, there is only "observer", "echo of matzo" and "1 + 1" to insert, then the roll order will begood. The falling minuscule powers of 50% Opal are compensated by e-le-men-tar-no. Nel works - it’s 25 billion cubic meters, 50% of the available Opal 15 billion, Yamal-Europe 45 billion cubic meters, do not forget about the Blue Stream, also Gazprom’s LNG in Kaliningrad 10 billion cubic meters, the finished first thread of the Turkish Stream 16 billion cubic meters, the second for the same begins pumping at the end of next year, at the beginning of 2020, about 30% of the finished SP-2 will go directly to Germany, after completing the transition in 2021, the entire SP-2 will work, I recall its capacity of 55 billion cubic meters (although experts say that the real 60 billion cubic meters ) That's all, only 85 will remain at ukroGTS with the previous annual pumping of 30 billion, without this amount it is technically impossible to supply gas to Kastryulia itself, a technical feature of the gas transmission system. And if the skakuas behave well, otherwise we will finally reduce coal, fuel oil, bitumen, transit and gasoline - this is equivalent to depopulation and the extinction of this territory. They are completely dependent on the will of Russia, we want to throw feed in the trough, we want not to throwsmile

            "Native" You are mine, Sergei. Let's really talk about your favorite stamp, how is it there:
            "echo of matzo

            Of course, I won’t tell you anything new, and yet:
            Owner of Moscow Echo - Gazprom Media
            Gazprom Media Owner - Gazprombank
            Gazprombank owner - Gazprom
            The head of Gazprom is Alexei Miller, a long-time associate and confidant of Mr. Putin, V.V.

            So Sergey. Because You are a consistent and persistent fan of the current government, the radio Echo of Moscow, this is your flesh and project of today's government. And for you, as a supporter of the authorities, information from the Echo of Moscow should be an unquestioned truth.
            And if the Echo of Moscow, as you now begin to deny, would not have been a product of today's authorities, then we would have long ago either changed the editorial policy or closed it to hell with the canine, like many other media outlets that the authorities did not like.

            PS In fact, it turns out that in vain you roll a barrel on the Echo of Moscow. On one gallery you row with him, just a little out of tune. hi
            1. Sarmat Sanych
              Sarmat Sanych 16 September 2019 12: 12
              +4
              Again, infantile delirium from social networks))). You at least looked at the structure of the owners of the "echo", and then at Gazprombank as well. Gazprom-Media does not have even 50% in the capital of the "echo", and in Gazprombank Gazprom owns less than 30%, so it turns out that Gazprom in the "echo" is less than 15%. This cesspool has long been a controlling stake under the control of Sorrosov and Rockefeller funds.
              1. Leshy1975
                Leshy1975 16 September 2019 12: 23
                -11
                Quote: Sarmat Sanych
                Again, infantile delirium from social networks))). You at least looked at the structure of the owners of the "echo", and then at Gazprombank as well. Gazprom-Media does not have even 50% in the capital of the "echo", and in Gazprombank Gazprom owns less than 30%, so it turns out that Gazprom in the "echo" is less than 15%. This cesspool has long been a controlling stake under the control of Sorrosov and Rockefeller funds.

                Stop lying already
                and in Gazprombank Gazprom owns less than 30%

                PJSC Gazprom - 35,54%;
                Non-state pension fund GAZFOND - 47,38% of which: NPF GAZFOND directly owns 6,08%; 16,22% is held by OJSC GAZ-service, 16,23% is owned by OJSC GAZKON and 8,85% is owned by OJSC GAZ-Tech. More than 80% of the shares of these organizations are in trust with ZAO Leader, D. U .;
                Novfintech LLC - 5,71%, of which 2,62% were transferred to trust management of Leader CJSC, D. U .;
                Vnesheconombank - 9,10%;
                Sergio Rosenberg, CJSC Tinkoff - 1,07%;
                RDK (ZAO) (nominal holder) - 0,78%.
                Management - 0,6%.

                Chairman of the Board of Directors of the Bank - Alexey Miller, Chairman of the Board -
                Andrey Akimov.

                GAZFOND shareholders:
                The founders were Gazprom PJSC, Gazprombank OJSC, Gazprom dobycha Urengoy LLC, Gazprom dobycha Yamburg LLC and Gazprom transgaz Saratov LLC.[4] [7], however, their share in the contribution of the founders of the fund is 41,7%. In 2006, several unnamed legal entities contributed 210 million rubles to the founders of the Gas Fund, after which their share reached 58,3%.

                Can you calculate the percentages yourself? Where is your 30% and how much in fact runs.
                1. Sarmat Sanych
                  Sarmat Sanych 16 September 2019 12: 29
                  +4
                  2006 "wassat? Are you lost with time and space? GKChP overthrown, haven't you heard the news? At the time of 2018, Gazprom's share in Gazprombank was about 30%. There is a completely different story about Gazfond, where, by the way, a number of Gazprom's production assets were withdrawn from the capital, foreign infest funds were bought out.
                  1. Leshy1975
                    Leshy1975 16 September 2019 12: 37
                    -7
                    Quote: Sarmat Sanych
                    2006 "wassat? Are you lost with time and space? GKChP overthrown, haven't you heard the news? At the time of 2018, Gazprom's share in Gazprombank was about 30%. There is a completely different story about Gazfond, where, by the way, a number of Gazprom's production assets were withdrawn from the capital, foreign infest funds were bought out.

                    For citizens with high self-esteem, a screen from the official page of the Gas Fund. We look at who the shareholders are, with eyesight, I hope not as bad as with self-esteem:
                    1. Sarmat Sanych
                      Sarmat Sanych 16 September 2019 12: 41
                      +2
                      Dump the results of your brain MRI scan if you are not completely hopeless. And then he will see5 Gazprom's share in Sogaz and the Leader controlling company. And most importantly, WHAT IS THIS RELATIONSHIP to the "echo of matzo", if Gazprombank's share there is less than 30%, and the rest is from Endos fundslaughing?
                      1. Leshy1975
                        Leshy1975 16 September 2019 13: 25
                        -4
                        Quote: Sarmat Sanych
                        Dump the results of your brain MRI scan if you are not completely hopeless. And then he will see5 Gazprom's share in Sogaz and the Leader controlling company. And most importantly, WHAT IS THIS RELATIONSHIP to the "echo of matzo", if Gazprombank's share there is less than 30%, and the rest is from Endos fundslaughing?

                        What arguments ended? Health will be measured?
                        But there, after all, except for Sogaz JSC and Leader CJSC and others, the following are initially indicated:
                        PJSC Gazprom;
                        LLC Gazprom dobycha Urengoy;
                        LLC Gazprom dobycha Yamburg;
                        LLC Gazprom transgaz Saratov;

                        Didn’t notice, by chance?

                        And about your favorite Echo matzah and American foundations:

                        "Today, the meeting of Echo's minority shareholders finally approved the exchange of shares, as a result of which ZAO Ekho Moskvy became a 100% Russian company. We expect to complete everything on paper by March 31, but today the notary has already certified the results of the shareholders' meeting, which I have notified Roskomnadzor about, "Venediktov told RIA Novosti.
                        13.03.2017

                        And yet (source kommersant.ru from 16.06.2018):
                        The meeting of shareholders of Echo of Moscow re-elected the general director of the radio station, Ekaterina Pavlova, Interfax reports citing the editor-in-chief of the radio station, Alexei Venediktov. According to him, Mrs. Pavlova voted for the candidacy The main shareholder of the radio station is Gazprom Media, which owns 66% of the company.. Another 34% of Echo of Moscow is owned by a company, 49% of which is controlled by Mr. Venediktov. “We voted against,” he specified.

                        Where are the American funds?

                        So "dear", such as you, how are you there
                        echo matzo
                        must pray and trust completely. Together, a pro-government product, you are rowing on the same galley and under the general guidance. However, maybe not all of you are aware of this, someone is using it in the dark.

                        PS And about the American funds that control the Echo of Moscow. It turns out that Sarmat Sanych (Sergey) lied? Not good, this. No.
                      2. Sarmat Sanych
                        Sarmat Sanych 16 September 2019 17: 54
                        +3
                        Oh, you have already switched, well done mournergood.Read again what I said above, if you do not understand the syllables. Do you even know what a "Russian company" is? CJSC "Penico Holding", for example, is also a Russian company, since it is a member of the RUSSIAN JURISDICTION. No more. Elementary, Western investors register a legal entity here that controls their asset. Further, what is the share of Gazprom in Gazprombank, and what is the share of the Leader and Sogaz management company do you know? So what are you writing then? You can write at least 30 Gazprom subsidiaries, but only these two private shareholders will outweigh them by 5 times. So look now, now how many of the conventionally "Gazprom" 66% in the "echo" are really Gazarom. How you lured me mum's analysts, fighters with a regiMe. That's it, don't block the broadcast, don't interfere with work.
          2. Town Hall
            Town Hall 16 September 2019 12: 14
            0
            Quote: Sarmat Sanych
            Nel works

            But is NEL also not in the EU subject to the same restrictions as OPAL?
            1. Sarmat Sanych
              Sarmat Sanych 16 September 2019 12: 22
              +1
              No, it does not intersect with other transits. By the way, in the future, the power of NEL can be increased to compensate for the drop-out volume of 50% Opal. Gazprom has all the cards in its hands, it holds both the European Commission and the pan-and-headed ones by the throat, but because of the pendos, it acts while not carefully pulling out its trump cards in order to calmly build up the remaining 20% ​​of the SP-2 and connectors (Gransvald with Baumgartner and the Bulgaria-Turkey gas transition for the 2nd Turkish branch).
              1. Town Hall
                Town Hall 16 September 2019 12: 56
                +1
                Well, well ... 3 energy package applies to all gas pipelines
                1. Sarmat Sanych
                  Sarmat Sanych 16 September 2019 17: 19
                  +1
                  Not at all, there are a number of exceptions. Plus, for a protest on Nel, someone must file a protest, but there are no volunteers. The German shareholders of the connector will not shoot their own legs, limiting their own gas passagesmile.
                  1. Town Hall
                    Town Hall 16 September 2019 18: 24
                    -3
                    By the way, SP-2 and its ground-based extensions will be cut in exactly the same way by 50%
                    1. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 16 September 2019 21: 12
                      -1
                      Well, yes - it's like cutting 50% of the air flow necessary for the body.
                      1. Town Hall
                        Town Hall 16 September 2019 21: 38
                        -5
                        Europe has no shortage of gas. Suppliers are crowding at the doorstep - from Russia to the USA, Algeria, Qatar, etc. and so on, which tear each other's throats
                    2. Sarmat Sanych
                      Sarmat Sanych 17 September 2019 12: 14
                      +1
                      They will not cut it any more, the Consortium management (50% Gazprom, the rest Germans, French and Dutch) created dozens of "independent" companies-suppliers (dash of buyers) of gas and now they will just buy the vacated volumes in internal connectors. And SP-2 itself does not fall under the Third Energy Package even theoretically (like SP-1 and even more so two lines of Turetsky), it is included in the INNER waters of Germany and is the property of NordStream AG. By the way, since last year, Gazprom's design institutes began to design the SP-3 and the third or fourth lines of the Turkish Stream, so that Russia will completely capture the European gas market, and no one will interfere with it. Plus, four stages of Arctic LNG are being commissioned, this will add 40 billion cubic meters to the already operating Yamal LNG, the entire planet will depend on Russian gas. And in our Arctic with the Arctic shelf (50% of the world Arctic), in the future, 35% of the Earth's reserves.
                      1. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 17 September 2019 16: 49
                        +1
                        And there is Baltic LNG, and in the 2024th to the Yamal LNG, Arctic LNG will be added.
                      2. Sarmat Sanych
                        Sarmat Sanych 17 September 2019 17: 05
                        0
                        Plus, in Vysotsk, the LNG plant is already operating, and in Ust-Lug and the Amur Region giant gas-chemical complexes are being completed (included in the top 5 largest in the world), they will no longer export gas processing plants to Asia and drive its processing products.
      4. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 16 September 2019 15: 49
        0
        Quote: ltc35
        This alignment of the old woman-Europe will suit very well. All. Well, besides Ukraine, of course.

        You do not think that the fate is of interest to Ukraine. Only pan-legcoids believe in such, naive
    2. Vend
      Vend 16 September 2019 10: 25
      +3
      Quote: Pedrodepackes
      If earlier Kiev could manage the capacities of its GTS itself, now it is obliged to fulfill the agreements with Europe. Somehow it doesn’t come out with a "reversal"
      well, if that were the case, but Euro-lawyers will find some pitfalls in the agreements and again they will start twisting our hands.
      I doubt it very much. The EU is observing its benefits, to its light the benefit of Ukraine,
      1. Pedrodepackes
        Pedrodepackes 16 September 2019 10: 29
        -2
        Quote: Wend
        I doubt it very much. EU observes its benefit

        what about sanctions? Only the lazy did not recognize their harm to the EU countries themselves, however, they prolong and prolong. I agree with you on one thing, this is not for the sake of Ukraine, but under pressure from the United States.
    3. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 16 September 2019 10: 52
      +4
      Quote: Pedrodepackes
      well, if that were the case, but Euro-lawyers will find some pitfalls in the agreements and again they will start twisting our hands.

      So after all, the contracts will expire by that time. The huntik have only the "Agreement on Euroassociation" signed by them, and this is "popandos"
    4. Sarmat Sanych
      Sarmat Sanych 16 September 2019 11: 48
      +4
      They won’t find anything, the first branch of the Turkish Stream starts in 3 months, immediately minus 16 billion cubic meters from ukroGTS, by the end of next year the second, another minus 16 billion, the Opal decision is already being tested (although there is a small amount there), in extreme cases they will deliver the same volume through the connector through the laying company, SP-2 is 80% ready, part of the transit will go at the beginning of the year, the rest from 2021, hence another minus 55 billion cubic meters from ukroGTS and complete dismantling. Although chubaty can make an excellent hyperloop out of a pipe and choke on it to earn money in Europe at the speed of soundlaughing.
    5. xax
      xax 17 September 2019 22: 03
      0
      Quote: Pedrodepackes
      again we will begin to twist the hands

      Who do we need?
      Why, when the turner at the factory receives bream from the master, Miller does not say - again we got the bream?
  2. seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 16 September 2019 08: 11
    +8
    it will be virtually impossible to steal

    It will be possible to steal - it will be more difficult to hide the theft
    1. Andrey Chistyakov
      Andrey Chistyakov 16 September 2019 08: 15
      +7
      Quote: seregatara1969
      it will be virtually impossible to steal

      It will be possible to steal - it will be more difficult to hide the theft

      Well, "neighbors" are not the first to steal. Look at the presidents of the "Square" ...
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 16 September 2019 08: 27
        +3
        It would be virtually impossible to leave even a cubic meter of gas “for oneself” (that is, to steal).
        It’s not in kind an independent one!
        1. cniza
          cniza 16 September 2019 09: 01
          +2
          And here they will feel them for a soft spot ...
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 16 September 2019 09: 15
      +5
      Quote: seregatara1969
      It will be possible to steal - it will be more difficult to hide the theft

      Previously, the gas was Russian, stolen. And now it’s already bought by Europe or a company, and try to steal at least a cubic meter from a European, you won’t stink, and they’ll give you a hand.
      1. Avior
        Avior 16 September 2019 11: 11
        0
        Gazprom does not sell gas on the Russian border. Although both Ukraine and Europe achieve this
    3. artifact
      artifact 16 September 2019 10: 07
      +3
      Quote: seregatara1969
      it will be virtually impossible to steal

      It will be possible to steal - it will be more difficult to hide the theft

      they will put Eurocontrollers at the entrance and exit and you’ll be unforgettable ...
  3. Same lech
    Same lech 16 September 2019 08: 18
    0
    Opal is not a clear situation what There is a version that the US will use this moment to pump its liquefied gas through the controlled branch of the pipeline through Polish terminals in the EU ... for this whole scam was started.
    1. neri73-r
      neri73-r 16 September 2019 08: 59
      +3
      Quote: The same Lech
      Opal is not a clear situation what There is a version that the US will use this moment to pump its liquefied gas through the controlled branch of the pipeline through Polish terminals in the EU ... for this whole scam was started.

      In the EU, amendments adopted that the last word belongs to the country through which the pipe passes. So, the United States and the Poles did not burn out, there is the territory of Germany and it will decide what gas and in what volume will be pumped. wassat hi
      1. Avior
        Avior 16 September 2019 11: 12
        0
        After that decision there was already a court decision on Opal
        1. neri73-r
          neri73-r 16 September 2019 13: 23
          +1
          Quote: Avior
          After that decision there was already a court decision on Opal

          Yes, it returned the situation to its original state, now there will be a new solution.
    2. cniza
      cniza 16 September 2019 09: 03
      +5
      My opinion is that the United States started all this only to raise the price of gas, otherwise they do not go too expensive.
      1. Avalex
        Avalex 16 September 2019 11: 26
        0
        Like it or not, but you can’t add 30% to it. Rather, it was said here to weaken the negotiating position, and another season is coming soon ...
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 16 September 2019 09: 18
      +1
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Opal is not a clear situation

      Of course, it was not without the Americans, ears in the "Uncle Tom" hat stick out from the pipe.
  4. common man
    common man 16 September 2019 08: 21
    0
    As I understand it, Gazprom can’t pump more than 50% of capacity through the Ukrainian pipe as well?
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 16 September 2019 08: 30
      0
      Can't Gazprom pump more than 50% of capacity through the Ukrainian pipe?

      The Americans will try to fill this niche with their liquefied gas through Polish terminals.
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 16 September 2019 08: 50
        +4
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        The Americans will try to fill this niche with their liquefied gas through Polish terminals.

        Yes, the USA does not have so much liquefied gas! There are available statistics. The United States will not be able to replace Russian gas on the European market. Unless Yamal-LNG is connected ... wassat
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 16 September 2019 08: 54
          +3
          Unless Yamal-LNG is connected ...

          Uncle Sam may even cheat ... buy liquefied gas from us and pass it off as a series of intermediaries ... go prove it.
          1. Berber
            Berber 16 September 2019 09: 17
            +3
            Thus, our "undemocratic" gas becomes quite "democratic".
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 16 September 2019 09: 46
              +1
              Quote: BerBer
              Thus, our "undemocratic" gas becomes quite "democratic".

              Gas and gas in Africa, democratic or non-democratic, if only it burned.
      2. common man
        common man 16 September 2019 08: 55
        +2
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        The Americans will try to fill this niche with their liquefied gas through Polish terminals.

        Will they drive gas from Poland through Ukraine to Russia?
        Actually, I had in mind a pipe going through Ukraine from Russia to Europe.
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 16 September 2019 09: 02
          -1
          They will drive gas from Poland

          With great fanfare, the Poles advertised the construction of LNG terminals ... they can drive gas from the Norwegians.

          https://by24.org/2018/02/14/poland_declared_a_start_of_building_baltic_pipe/
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 16 September 2019 09: 50
            +1
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            With great fanfare, the Poles advertised the construction of LNG terminals ... they can drive gas from the Norwegians.

            To take the gas you still need to put the pipe, and this is time and money.
            1. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 17 September 2019 15: 11
              0
              Quote: tihonmarine
              To take the gas you still need to put the pipe, and this is time and money.

              and negotiations will already be needed with Gazprom ... then the pipe from the Norwegians on any cross of SP-1,2 (and by the time of implementation maybe 3) will pass. uncomfortable situevina.
      3. Egor53
        Egor53 16 September 2019 09: 42
        +4
        There will never be large deliveries of LNG from the USA to Europe. The United States plans to bring LNG production to 2020 million tons by the end of 57, which is 79,9 billion cubic meters per year. https://regnum.ru/news/economy/2531440.html
        Even if all this LNG goes to Europe, it will be less than 20% of the total gas consumption in the EU .. Gas from the USA will cost Europe at least $ 150 per 1000 cubic meters more than Russian pipe gas.
        The United States, of course, has opportunities to force European countries to do actions harmful to them, but not indefinitely.
        In addition, proven gas reserves in the United States are declining sharply.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 16 September 2019 09: 57
          +1
          Quote: Egor53
          The United States, of course, has opportunities to force European countries to do actions harmful to them, but not indefinitely.

          And this is called "Europe's energy security."
      4. Sarmat Sanych
        Sarmat Sanych 16 September 2019 11: 52
        +3
        There is no way to fill it, Mattress for LNG supplies to Europe is only in 4th place, even behind Novatek by 2 times. Plus, the terminal in Swinoujscie has a small capacity, it will not even provide Poland by 20%. The share of Matrasia in the import of gas by the European Union is only 1%, but the share of Russia is about 65%.
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  5. rocket757
    rocket757 16 September 2019 08: 24
    +3
    Cool! Geyroassotsiatsiya SUCH RAS-STAKA!
  6. Zhan
    Zhan 16 September 2019 08: 31
    +12
    Colleagues good morning .. hi
    Well, since they signed it, then they need to comply. And the situation seems to me like this. Now Europe will deal with Ukraine in case of theft of gas. And we have according to the meter, how much was shipped, and pay for so much. And all internal showdowns, who stole gas from someone, will now be decided among themselves. And our business, the crane opened, the crane closed ... and there are no unnecessary hassle.
  7. Vadim T.
    Vadim T. 16 September 2019 08: 32
    +3
    Here, many argue to the point of hoarseness, laugh at Ukraine. But no one asked himself the question: what are we laughing at? After all, in fact, we are talking about how Europe is more profitable to use our national wealth. According to the constitution, they belong to the people, but in fact, they have long been appropriated by the nouveau riche. And speculations about what benefits Gazprom will get, etc. - this is bullshit on New Year's Eve. Yes, there will be benefits, only not for the state, but for top managers who receive millions a day ...
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 16 September 2019 08: 39
      +1
      In our courtyard, capitalism should it be wrong with its laws ... now it makes no sense to speak about Russia's national wealth, which is controlled by a small handful of people.
      1. neri73-r
        neri73-r 16 September 2019 09: 02
        +7
        Quote: The same Lech
        In our courtyard, capitalism should it be wrong with its laws ... now it makes no sense to speak about Russia's national wealth, which is controlled by a small handful of people.

        Yes, we destroyed our house ourselves, wanting to become rich overnight "like in the West," the capitalists threw us apart. angry
    2. neri73-r
      neri73-r 16 September 2019 09: 02
      +3
      Quote: Vadim T.
      Here, many argue to the point of hoarseness, laugh at Ukraine. But no one asked himself the question: what are we laughing at? After all, in fact, we are talking about how Europe is more profitable to use our national wealth. According to the constitution, they belong to the people, but in fact, they have long been appropriated by the nouveau riche. And speculations about what benefits Gazprom will get, etc. - this is bullshit on New Year's Eve. Yes, there will be benefits, only not for the state, but for top managers who receive millions a day ...

      What do you offer?
      1. Vita vko
        Vita vko 16 September 2019 09: 22
        0
        Quote: neri73-r
        What do you offer?

        For example, a progressive tax and a ban on the withdrawal of capital from Russia.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 16 September 2019 10: 39
          +3
          For example, a progressive tax and a ban on the withdrawal of capital from Russia. Side effects of this will be a reduction in foreign investment in the Russian economy to zero and an increase in the cost of all products and services throughout the country - producers will fall under the progressive tax first - they will not remain in debt, they will simply take it and transfer this tax to the cost of production and pay it end up consumer
          My proposal Reduction of VAT to 10%, introduction of a progressive tax of 28% on firms and companies with a profit of more than a billion rubles a year, cancellation of the transport tax, reduction of excise taxes on petroleum products by 70%.
          1. Vita vko
            Vita vko 16 September 2019 13: 23
            +1
            Quote: Vadim237
            Side effects of this will be a decrease in foreign investment in the Russian economy

            The ban on the withdrawal of capital means only that there is a barrier to resale and speculation. Investors both earned and will continue to be able to make a profit.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 16 September 2019 21: 16
              0
              At us, every first and second are engaged in resales and speculation, respectively.
      2. artifact
        artifact 16 September 2019 10: 14
        +2
        Quote: neri73-r
        Quote: Vadim T.
        Here, many argue to the point of hoarseness, laugh at Ukraine. But no one asked himself the question: what are we laughing at? After all, in fact, we are talking about how Europe is more profitable to use our national wealth. According to the constitution, they belong to the people, but in fact, they have long been appropriated by the nouveau riche. And speculations about what benefits Gazprom will get, etc. - this is bullshit on New Year's Eve. Yes, there will be benefits, only not for the state, but for top managers who receive millions a day ...

        What do you offer?

        nationalization of natural resources, everything else from the evil one ...
      3. Vadim T.
        Vadim T. 16 September 2019 11: 13
        0
        For starters, stop gloating. And then think together about how and in what way to return the lost heritage.
      4. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 16 September 2019 20: 53
        +1
        For starters, I suggest not going to McDonald's, traveling by public transport, vacation in Crimea ... good
        1. Pavel57
          Pavel57 17 September 2019 16: 17
          0
          Coca-Cola what, too, do not drink?)))
          1. cat Rusich
            cat Rusich 17 September 2019 19: 51
            0
            Drink birch sap or kvass drinks
            1. Pavel57
              Pavel57 17 September 2019 21: 35
              0
              The current kvass, especially from foreign manufacturers, is definitely harmful. By the way, information for everyone: Americans in case of indigestion drink Sprite.
              1. cat Rusich
                cat Rusich 17 September 2019 21: 54
                0
                I don't drink "modern kvass". I take juice and from domestic apples, pears ... I cook juice good . I dilute my juice with soda (e.g. Tarhun, local) or non-carbonated juice (Fruitmotiv, from Lipetsk) 50% to 50%, I recommend good
    3. mentle
      mentle 16 September 2019 09: 12
      -1
      It is unfortunate that a very small number of people realize this. But now you can congratulate everyone on the cancellation of acts and documents of the times of the USSR by Dimas. By the way, an 8 hour work day there too.
    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 16 September 2019 10: 02
      +1
      Quote: Vadim T.
      According to the constitution, they belong to the people,

      There is a constitution, but that’s the question. What is the state of Russia now? Socialist or capitalist. It seems that this is not spelled out anywhere.
      1. Vadim T.
        Vadim T. 16 September 2019 11: 15
        0
        You can ask those who wrote this constitution. Although already visible ...
    5. Avior
      Avior 16 September 2019 11: 27
      +1
      According to the constitution, they belong to the people

      There is no longer this in the Constitution request
      Article 8

      1. In the Russian Federation, the unity of the economic space, the free movement of goods, services and financial resources, support for competition, freedom of economic activity are guaranteed.

      2. In the Russian Federation, private, state, municipal and other forms of property are also recognized and protected.

      Article 9

      1. Land and other natural resources are used and protected in the Russian Federation as the basis of the life and activities of the peoples living in the relevant territory.

      2. Land and other natural resources may be in private, state, municipal and other forms of ownership.

      Do not confuse with the Soviet Constitution
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 16 September 2019 11: 59
        +1
        Quote: Avior
        Do not confuse with the Soviet Constitution

        You write correctly, in a socialist state everything belongs to the people, read the state, and in a capitalist state, everything is private property. Reading the founders of Marx, Engels and followers of Lenin and Stalin. When the October 25.10.1917, XNUMX, the October Revolution took place in Russia, it was a socialist proletarian under the slogan "Workers of all countries unite." Even the peasantry were not proletarians, they had private property. And immediately the Leninist government took away the land, but distributed it to the people, i.e. state land, but in the use of the people. It was after this that the "working peasantry" became. And now everyone understands what is where and with whom.
    6. YasenPen
      YasenPen 16 September 2019 12: 37
      0
      Quote: Vadim T.
      Here, many argue hoarsely, laugh at Ukraine. But no one asked himself the question: what are we laughing at? ...

      You are right in the main thing - we (all the plebs) are constantly being poured into our ears from blue digital channels about some kind of "national property", and after all, it never reaches the plebs that the temporary workers are selling the bowels of their homeland to please their greedy interests, presenting it to everyone as great successes and achievements, and in fact the Russian Federation, as it was a gas water heater, will remain for her forever, no matter how regrettable, and what kind of self-sufficiency can we talk about or at least the slightest breakthrough in the development of the economy with such a medveput leadership? Let's better continue laughing over zhovto-blakitnye, and continue to stare at the zombie under the chips and beer ...! Slaves are NEMA!
  8. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
    SERGEY SERGEEVICS 16 September 2019 08: 33
    +3
    They themselves wanted to go to Europe, now let them and get it from it completely. It is such a democracy, and now they will pull this thread.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 16 September 2019 10: 10
      +2
      Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
      Democracy she is

      That's right, democracy has two ends, one gives and the other hits.
      1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
        SERGEY SERGEEVICS 16 September 2019 10: 22
        0
        And in striped democracy, there is another process that absorbs all this and makes money on it.
  9. Den717
    Den717 16 September 2019 08: 36
    +4
    Our gas issues with the EU + Ukraine are surrounded by a huge number of agreements, legally binding documents, which are not always easy for a lawyer to understand. By pulling out this or that agreement, some experts are swaying public opinion on the state of Gazprom's work on foreign relations. For us, the most difficult thing remains - to sit and wait for the end of all this idiot. Trying to comment on the level of management decisions of Gazprom or Naftogaz is not entirely correct, because from real documents we see, at most, the "surface" part in the form of the text of the transit agreement. And how many contracts have been signed, what are the minimum guaranteed volumes, under what conditions should be delivered, in which countries and much more - all this is almost absent in the networks. Without this, the opinion on the topic will be one-sided and incorrect.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 16 September 2019 08: 41
      +2
      I agree with you ... we look at the situation after the key dates in this case, 2019-2020 ... then it will become more or less clear what is happening.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 16 September 2019 10: 18
      +1
      Quote: Den717
      And how many contracts have been signed, what are the minimum guaranteed volumes, under what conditions should be set,

      Everything is true here, what agreements and what is written there. But the agreements with the same Ukraine were signed 10 years ago, and then it was a completely different state and the agreements were different. Now these contracts are no longer acceptable.
      1. Den717
        Den717 16 September 2019 10: 37
        +1
        Quote: tihonmarine
        But the agreements with the same Ukraine were signed 10 years ago, and then it was a completely different state and the agreements were different. Now these contracts are no longer acceptable.

        In order to accept the thesis of the unacceptability of a particular contract, it is necessary to terminate it in accordance with the conditions specified in this contract. What changes have occurred in the signatory party, for the contract are relevant only in that part in which these changes are prescribed by the terms of this contract. Everything else is emotions, and they are not sewn to the case.
  10. Mikhail Malakhov
    Mikhail Malakhov 16 September 2019 08: 37
    +2
    It is not clear only one thing ... Why is Gazprom so struggling for a short-term contract
    1. artifact
      artifact 16 September 2019 10: 17
      +1
      Quote: Mikhail Malakhov
      It is not clear only one thing ... Why is Gazprom so struggling for a short-term contract

      that there would be less hemorrhoids
  11. Rostislav
    Rostislav 16 September 2019 08: 41
    +4
    This is called "don't dig another hole ..."
    It would be possible to raise rates. Execute the decision and reduce the pumping according to OPAL and stop pumping through the Ukrainians. There will be financial losses, but a negative temperature cleans the brain cool. There is no way to close the resulting hole with LNG, so the EU will have two options: freeze and increase the cost of its products through the use of expensive gas or lift restrictions on pumping.
    But for such dentition, Europe needs an accurate calculation and confidence that LNG supplies will not replace the need, and iron eggs, because howl and foreign.
  12. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 16 September 2019 08: 55
    -1
    This situation in Ukraine looks alarming in connection with the fact that all the gas that will be pumped into the Ukrainian pipe should be sent to the European Union. It would be virtually impossible to leave even a cubic meter of gas “for oneself” (that is, to steal).
    Ukraine has not yet joined the EU, or rather, they only gave it a sniff, but they have already thoroughly squeezed vulnerable spots with the door. The formula is "bought, downloaded, received money, forgot", and if someone stole, then he will deal with the thieves of European courts. The thieves are still in a stupor, here it is nearby, but you cannot steal. According to Vysotsky "They wear chacha by the nose, cherry plum past the nose ..." I cover the meat with a glass lid from my cat on the table, he yells this and that, but he can't get it. My wife says that I am a sadist and mock animals.
  13. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 16 September 2019 09: 09
    +2
    Specifically, what clause of which document and in what form do we oblige Ukraine to pump gas?
  14. Karaul14
    Karaul14 16 September 2019 09: 10
    -7
    Transit through Ukraine remains and this is already 100%, and more recently they shouted that transit through Ukraine is FSE. The north and south flows are a complete failure, because only one third of the planned capacity will be + recent decisions in the EU and the OPAL court, which banned the use of more than 50% of this German gas pipeline. In add-on to everything, the German demand for a contract with Ukraine has not gone anywhere, this is for the SP-2 to work. Meanwhile, TANAP is being built in the south with might and main, and in a couple of years, the US-EU terminals will start operating in full LNG. For Europe, it’s good - diversification of supplies and a glut of the market for the development of the economy and competitive prices, while Russia will lose its monopoly and part of the market, as well as leverage.
  15. Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 16 September 2019 09: 13
    +2
    When JV2 and Turkish streams are completed, then it will be possible to talk about GAS, and now we will only talk about IRON in the form of pipes. And behind all this there is not liquefied gas from the USA, but the activities of the "people of the world" to grab a bigger piece ... But for now, one thing is clear - that nothing is clear !!! Real Gas Deals Ahead ...
  16. demo
    demo 16 September 2019 09: 18
    0
    Well, Brussels also found a magical means of how to save Zelensky’s head.
    Have you signed an association?
    Maidan because of this muddied?
    Yanukovych thrown off?
    The sacred cow "Association with the EU" does not allow Ukraine not to pump gas !!!!!!
    Fu - x.
    On Bankova probably relieved!
  17. Guards turn
    Guards turn 16 September 2019 10: 26
    0
    All this is understandable, so can Kobolev write out a prize or wait a little longer?
  18. Ros 56
    Ros 56 16 September 2019 10: 46
    0
    Everything suits everyone, except for banderlogs, but who will ask them. we signed the Euroassociation, now don’t whine, but we did not know. You fools have long been warned.
  19. Avior
    Avior 16 September 2019 11: 18
    0
    I think we are just watching preparations for the upcoming "gas war"
    If there is no contract for transit, then the Ukrainian gas transportation system will automatically switch to reverse mode; otherwise, it is simply impossible to supply the center and the east of Ukraine with gas from storage facilities.
    Gas transit from Russia to Europe is technically impossible
  20. Tavi
    Tavi 16 September 2019 14: 38
    0
    and does the 3rd Energy Package with Ukraine work or not?
    1. Avior
      Avior 16 September 2019 17: 23
      0
      The third energy package has nothing to do with the case with Ukraine, as it regulates the case
      The main legal goal of the Third Energy Package is to prevent situations where monopolists supplying energy block competitors' access to consumers by owning distribution networks (gas pipelines, oil pipelines, power lines). If the monopolist owns such networks, then he must provide 50% of their capacity to competitors or not use it, or sell these networks to independent operators.
  21. cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 16 September 2019 21: 27
    0
    My opinion. From pumping gas through Ukraine wassat you need to be completely and forever. EU needs to face the fact of "empty pipe" (empty gas transportation system of Ukraine) yes
  22. Rusj
    Rusj 16 September 2019 22: 21
    0
    interesting and what can one comment on the news and not another? It seems that here the admins all live in Israel. It’s a strange site that people from Israel insult everyone! And they essentially answer ban!?
    1. Rusj
      Rusj 16 September 2019 22: 23
      -1
      Is this a hat not a Russian site? Is this the site of Israel?
  23. Antares
    Antares 16 September 2019 22: 32
    0
    Interesting. Neither the title of the article nor the first phrase
    The European Union reminded Kiev that Ukraine had at one time signed an agreement on Euro-association, which stipulates, among other things, compliance with European energy standards.

    does not match the content.
    Of the necessary content, where Brussels’s position towards Kiev would be explained in the form of statements or something else, there’s only
    TASS, citing sources in the Euro-energy industry, reports that Brussels intends to offer Russia gas supplies to Europe even if a contract with Ukraine is not signed before December 31, 2019

    neither pressure on Kiev, nor statements to him, to force ...
    The author somehow forgot that all this is from January 1 only. And the contract is until December 31 .. And the main thing is that Kiev is not particularly in danger.
  24. Evil 55
    Evil 55 17 September 2019 08: 26
    0
    The horses hit with their "feet in mayonnaise" .. Well, in the eternal Russian manner, let them learn from their mistakes ..
  25. 23424636
    23424636 17 September 2019 09: 57
    0
    Yes, these funny Jews. There in Ukraine, the master of Soros, and of course. What he says will be done. Soros’s attitude to the European Union can be determined by the words of Vita Nudelman (Victoria Nuland) - let the EU go to x. . Benya Kolomoisky said that we have enough of our gas and we don’t need transit. and this is a bell that the guys are ready to shut off the ventel, which is very annoying for the EU in the conditions when the evil Poles have blocked half the filling of their company OPAL with the Nord Stream.
  26. Pavel57
    Pavel57 17 September 2019 16: 12
    0
    Did the Germans lose sight of something, or do they care?
  27. archiroll
    archiroll 18 September 2019 07: 07
    0
    How ashamed I am for those who made the sale of NOT renewable raw materials from my country a great achievement!