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Death at the equator

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В stories underwater fleet Germany has only one submarine commander (U-852) who fell under the tribunal for his war crimes during World War II. This is Lieutenant Captain Heinz-Wilhelm Eck.




By mid-January 1943, the Anglo-American naval blockade of Germany was gradually reducing the stocks of those strategic materials that Germany already lacked (namely rubber, tungsten, molybdenum, copper, plant materials, quinine and certain types of oils) and which were absolutely necessary for warfare. All these goods, the production of which was rather complicated, were mainly available in the Asian regions conquered by the Japanese during the war. The Indonesian archipelago, a large and wealthy Dutch colony captured by the Japanese in the spring of 1942 after a quick air-sea offensive, could provide Germany and the Axis countries with the strategic materials they needed.

In February 1943, the Commander-in-Chief of the German Navy, Grand Admiral Dönitz proposed the use of submarines for the transport of goods.

U-852 left Keel on 18 on January 1944, passed Scotland from the north, went to the North Atlantic and, turning south, headed for the shores of West Africa. After 2 months, observing the radio silence and surfacing only at night to charge the batteries, the submarine reached the equator.


U-852 submarine


On the afternoon of March 13, 1944, U-852 was located approximately 300 miles east of the Freetown-Ascension Island line. At 17:00 pm, an observer noticed a cargo ship ahead from the starboard side. It turned out to be the ship "Peleus" with 35 crew members, registered in Greece, built by William Gray & Company in 1928. The Peleus had left Freetown five days earlier under a charter contract with the British War Department of Transportation, heading for South America.

Death at the equator


Eck decided to catch up with the ship and attack. The chase lasted two and a half hours. In 1944, Ek launched an overnight surface attack, firing two torpedoes from his bow torpedo tubes. Torpedoes hit the "Peleus" just a few meters apart. Lieutenant Captain Eck remarked from the U-852 bridge: "The explosion was very impressive."

"Peleus" was doomed.

It is impossible to know how many crew members escaped after the flooding of the ship. By the start-up, Antonios Liosis lost consciousness for a while and fell from the bridge into the water. Rocco Said, the fireman, was on deck when torpedoes exploded. Said, who had been at sea since childhood, "it was clear that the ship would sink." The cargo ship sank so quickly that almost none of the survivors managed to put on life jackets. Those who jumped overboard clung to manhole covers, lumber and any other debris. Life rafts that were on the deck, after the flooding of the ship, swayed on the water, and some of the survivors sailed to them. The U-852 moved slowly among the wreckage. After the submarine sailed, Liosis climbed the raft.

At that time, Eck was on the U-852 bridge, his first officer was Lieutenant Gerhard Colditz and two sailors. When the submarine slowly circled among the wreckage, Eck and his crew on the bridge heard the screams of drowning. They also saw lights on some rafts. Around the same time, the ship's doctor Walter Weisspening arrived at the bridge.

If possible, the captains of the submarines should have asked the survivors questions about the ship, its cargo and destination. Eck called the English-speaking chief engineer Hans Lenz to the deck. He sent an engineer on his nose to interrogate the survivors. A second officer, August Hoffman, joined Lenz.

Hoffman changed his watch at 16: 00 evenings, an hour before Peleus was spotted. Hoffman also spoke a little English, and he was ordered to accompany Lenz.

When the two officers reached the nose, Eck maneuvered the U-852 next to one of the life rafts. On the raft he selected were the third Peleus officer Agis Kefalas, fireman Stavros Sogias, a Russian sailor named Pierre Neumann. Lenz and Hoffman questioned Kefalas. They learned that the ship was sailing from Freetown and was heading for River Plate. A third officer, Kefalas, also told them that another, slower ship followed them to the same destination. At the end of the interrogation, the officer was returned to the liferaft.

U-852 moved slowly, Eck listened to Lenz's report.

At that moment there were five officers on the bridge: Eck, his first officer (Colditz), the second officer (Hoffman), the chief engineer (Lenz) and the doctor (Weisspening). The doctor stood apart from the others and did not participate in the subsequent conversation. Hoffman also remained far enough away from the group to clearly understand what the three officers were discussing.

The conversation took a sinister turn. Eck told Colditz and Lenz that he was concerned about the number and size of the debris. Morning aerial patrols from Freetown or Ascension Island will detect debris and this will cause an immediate search for the submarine.

He could have left the area on the surface at maximum speed until dawn, but by the time the sun rises, the U-852 will still be less than 200 miles from the Peleus crash site. Eck decided that in order to protect his boat and crew, he needed to destroy all traces of the Peleus.

Eck ordered two machine guns to be lifted onto the bridge. Until weapon raised, Colditz and Lenz protested against the decision of the captain. Eck listened to both officers, but dismissed their objections. According to Ekk, it was necessary to destroy all traces.

When the submarine turned back to the rafts, Lenz went downstairs, leaving four officers on the bridge. Machine guns were delivered to the deck.

What exactly was said and happened next is not entirely clear. The following events could not be fully explained at a later trial. Eck apparently told the officers on the bridge that he wanted to sink the rafts. There was no direct order to shoot at survivors in the water or at survivors on rafts. However, it was clear that survivors would lose hope of salvation. Eck suggested that the rafts were hollow and, damaged by machine gun fire, would drown.

It was about 20: 00 hours of the evening, the night was very dark and moonless. The rafts on the water looked like dark figures, their lights were put out by the Peleus crew when the submarine approached. Eck turned to Weispfening, who was standing near the right machine gun, and ordered him to shoot at the wreckage. The doctor carried out the order, directing fire at the raft, which, according to his estimates, was at a distance of about 200 yards.


Shot from the movie "U-571"


The Weispfening machine gun jammed after he fired only a few bursts. Hoffman fixed the malfunction and continued firing on the raft. The doctor no longer took part in an attempt to destroy the rafts, although he remained on the bridge. Despite machine-gun fire, the raft refused to sink. Eck ordered the spotlight turned on to inspect the raft and determine why it was still afloat. Inspection carried out at a considerable distance and in poor lighting turned out to be inconclusive. The submarine continued to move slowly through the wreckage, periodically firing at the rafts. All attacks were from the starboard side, and at that moment only Hoffman shot.

The rafts did not sink, Ekk's goal of removing the debris was not achieved.

Hoffman proposed the use of an 105-mm cannon (10,5cm SKC / 32), but Ekk rejected this proposal due to fear of use at such a short distance. However, he told Hoffman to try dual 20-mm anti-aircraft guns.



The attempt to sink the rafts with the help of 20-mm guns was also unsuccessful, Eck ordered to lift hand grenades and maneuver the U-852 thirty yards from the raft.

Grenades were also useless for flooding rafts. Throughout the terrible operation, Eck believed that those who were on rafts would jump into the water when the shooting began. His assumption was incorrect.

When the shooting started, officer Antonios Lioss threw himself on the raft floor and hid his head under the bench. At the back, he heard Dimitrios Kostantinidis scream in pain as bullets hit him. The sailor crashed to the floor of the raft dead. Later, when the submarine made another pass and threw grenades, Lyossis was injured by shrapnel in the back and shoulder.

On board the other raft were a third officer, Agis Kefalas, and two sailors. Both last were killed, and Kefalas was seriously wounded in the arm. It is unclear whether these people were killed by grenade fragments or from a machine gun. Despite his injury, Kefalas descended from the raft and sailed to the boat occupied by Lyoss.

The sailor Rocco Said dived from the raft when the shooting started, and was in the water. Sailors drowned around him when they were fired from machine guns.

The chief engineer Lenz, who was engaged in reloading the front torpedo tubes, heard intermittent firing and explosions of hand grenades. At that time, he was the only person below deck who probably knew what those sounds meant.

At midnight, Colditz replaced Hofmann on duty. Together with him Lenz and the sailor Wolfgang Schwender, who was ordered to shoot the rafts, climbed the bridge. After the first turn, the machine gun jammed, after which Lenz, eliminating the malfunction, continued shooting himself.

To 01: 00 the submarine for the 5 hours waged its "difficult and strange battle." Neither rams, nor the use of machine guns, coaxial anti-aircraft machine guns and grenades, had the expected result. The rafts were riddled, but remained afloat. Without eliminating the traces, Eck left the area of ​​the ship’s sinking and 4's survivors and headed at maximum speed south to the west coast of Africa.

After the sinking of the Greek ship and the shooting of survivors on one of the rafts, 4 people remained wounded. They remained on the raft for 39 days. On 20 of April 1944 of the year they were discovered by the Portuguese steamer Alexander Silva. Three were still alive (Antonios Liosis, Dimitrios Argiros and Rocco Said). Agis Kefalas died 25 days after the sinking of the ship.

While the U-852 was moving, news of the execution spread throughout the boat and seriously affected morale.

“I got the impression that the mood on board was rather depressing,” Eck later said. “I myself was in the same mood.” In view of the crew’s gloomy attitude, he turned to his people on the boat’s speaker system, telling them that he had made a “heavy hearted decision” and regretted that some of the survivors might have been killed while trying to sink the rafts. He admitted that in any case, without rafts, the survivors will surely die. He warned his team about the “too strong influence of sympathy”, citing the fact that “we should also think about our wives and children who die at home during air attacks.”

Ekk was forced to run aground on the 03.05.1944 coral reef in the Arab Sea, off the eastern coast of Somalia, after the boat was damaged by an attack by British Wellington-type aircraft.



The commander of the submarine, Heinz Ekk, the ship's doctor Walter Weispfening, and Starpom August Hoffmann, were sentenced to death and shot on November 30 on November 1945.



Ship engineer Hans Lenz confessed and wrote a petition for clemency, so he was sentenced to life imprisonment. Sailor Wolfgang Schwender was sentenced to seven years in prison. It was proved that he was forced to carry out the execution order.

Lenz and Schwender were released a few years later, one in 1951 and the other in 1952.

* * *


They committed war crimes and other submariners.

The commander of an American submarine, Commander Dudley Morton, after the sinking of two transports, the Buyo Maru and the Fukuei Maru, ordered all lifeboats to be shot with a machine gun and small-caliber guns. The boat was sunk in the Laperouse Strait by the Japanese 11.10.1943 anti-submarine defense forces.

U-247 submarine commander Lieutenant Gerhard Matshulat on 5 on July 1943 drowned the Noreen Mary fishing trawler with artillery fire and then ordered firing boats fired from a machine gun. The submarine was sunk 1.09.1944 by the depth charges of the Canadian frigates "Saint John" and "Swansea" in the western part of the English Channel.

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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 16 September 2019 05: 47
    +47
    Of course, for such a thing, the commander who gave the direct order to kill civilians must be given to a military tribunal ... otherwise the military man will not differ much from the executioner ... this is unacceptable.
    I will add similar crimes the Luftwaffe naval pilots committed a lot when they drowned our ships and shot survivors in the water at the place of the ship’s death ... for example, during the evacuation of the Baltic Fleet from Tallinn to Leningrad ... there were more than 28 military and almost 000 civilians on ships.
    Killed, according to various estimates, from 12 to 14 thousand transported military and civilian ... our Soviet citizens ... heavy figures.

    https://picturehistory.livejournal.com/3663607.html

    Therefore, I am very angry at people like Kolya from Urengoy and others like him trying to justify the Nazi soldiers and officers.
    1. polar fox
      polar fox 16 September 2019 06: 49
      +16
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Therefore, I am very angry at people like Kolya from Urengoy and others like him trying to justify the Nazi soldiers and officers.

      no need to get angry. just come to school and in your free time (with the permission of the ADEQUATE principal, at one school the principal asked how much money we would pay her for the "rent" of the class), study with the children ... you will make a lot of discoveries by reading textbooks ... (personal experience)
    2. Pedrodepackes
      Pedrodepackes 16 September 2019 07: 14
      -10
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      angry at people like Kolya from Urengoy and others like him

      here about Kolya you are absolutely in vain here, and I absolutely agree with the first part of your post
    3. Ros 56
      Ros 56 16 September 2019 07: 44
      +5
      And how many people died in the occupied territories do not interest you, only sailors care?
    4. Professor
      Professor 16 September 2019 10: 26
      -6
      I will also add the Struma transport with 769 refugees. One survivor. True, it was not a German submarine that sunk it.
      1. hohol95
        hohol95 16 September 2019 14: 04
        +5
        So the crew of the Shch-213 boat is guilty? And only him?
        1. Professor
          Professor 16 September 2019 14: 38
          -3
          Quote: hohol95
          So the crew of the Shch-213 boat is guilty? And only him?

          Not just him.
          1. hohol95
            hohol95 16 September 2019 14: 45
            +5
            Who proved the fault of the Shch-213 crew?
            All allegations and charges have many inconsistencies.
            1. Professor
              Professor 16 September 2019 15: 02
              -4
              Quote: hohol95
              Who proved the fault of the Shch-213 crew?
              All allegations and charges have many inconsistencies.

              Well yes. There was no trial. So she drowned herself and Vodeneev lies.
              1. hohol95
                hohol95 16 September 2019 15: 09
                +5
                Incidentally, the Shch-213 crew reported on 2 floating mines they met!
                There could be a mine.
                When the vessel was attacked, it was indicated that it was moving. "Struma" could not move because of yet another engine breakdown.
                So the story is very vague. There are no witnesses. The boat commander was the first to die, then the boat itself with the crew!
                1. Professor
                  Professor 16 September 2019 17: 36
                  -2
                  Quote: hohol95
                  Incidentally, the Shch-213 crew reported on 2 floating mines they met!
                  There could be a mine.
                  When the vessel was attacked, it was indicated that it was moving. "Struma" could not move because of yet another engine breakdown.
                  So the story is very vague. There are no witnesses. The boat commander was the first to die, then the boat itself with the crew!

                  And let's see about it in the archives of Moscow Region. Still classified?
                  1. hohol95
                    hohol95 16 September 2019 20: 42
                    +1
                    By the way, "Struma" also met a floating mine!
                    And let's see in the archives of Turkey and Britain!
                    At the same time, the Turks arrested about 20 fellows from the Betara youth military organization, and they were not on the ship at the time of their death!
                    "STRUMA". CHRONICLES OF TRAGEDY
                    liveinternet.ru
                    In the end, the ship continued its voyage after a tiring but relatively safe sailing along the Black Sea in the evening of December 14, entered Turkish territorial waters and reached the mouth of the Bosphorus.
                    Here there was a meeting with a floating mine - one of the many ripped autumn-winter storms from the Minrep, and rushing through the Black Sea expanses these days. The Struma signalman noticed the danger in time, and the ship, giving "full back", managed to avoid a fatal collision. However, after that, the diesel engine stalled again and, despite the desperate efforts of the crew, finally refused to come to life. In order not to create a dangerous situation, drifting without moving on a busy sea route, the captain of the "Struma" ordered to anchor and raise a signal about the emergency situation on board.
                    ... Deprived of the Strum course until the morning of February 24, helplessly drifted along the coast of the European part of Turkey.
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 17 September 2019 09: 36
                      -3
                      Quote: hohol95
                      By the way, "Struma" also met a floating mine!
                      And let's see in the archives of Turkey and Britain!
                      At the same time, the Turks arrested about 20 fellows from the Betara youth military organization, and they were not on the ship at the time of their death!
                      "STRUMA". CHRONICLES OF TRAGEDY
                      liveinternet.ru
                      In the end, the ship continued its voyage after a tiring but relatively safe sailing along the Black Sea in the evening of December 14, entered Turkish territorial waters and reached the mouth of the Bosphorus.
                      Here there was a meeting with a floating mine - one of the many ripped autumn-winter storms from the Minrep, and rushing through the Black Sea expanses these days. The Struma signalman noticed the danger in time, and the ship, giving "full back", managed to avoid a fatal collision. However, after that, the diesel engine stalled again and, despite the desperate efforts of the crew, finally refused to come to life. In order not to create a dangerous situation, drifting without moving on a busy sea route, the captain of the "Struma" ordered to anchor and raise a signal about the emergency situation on board.
                      ... Deprived of the Strum course until the morning of February 24, helplessly drifted along the coast of the European part of Turkey.

                      Wodeneyev is lying?
                      1. hohol95
                        hohol95 17 September 2019 09: 41
                        +2
                        Vaneyev Gennady Ivanovich could be wrong!
                        But have British or Turkish officials responded for their actions?
                      2. Professor
                        Professor 18 September 2019 08: 35
                        -1
                        Quote: hohol95
                        Vaneyev Gennady Ivanovich could be wrong!
                        But have British or Turkish officials responded for their actions?

                        Everyone must answer for this war crime.
                      3. hohol95
                        hohol95 18 September 2019 09: 40
                        +2
                        And those who set up a minefield from which mines were torn down by storms? If the ships were blown up on these floating mines.
                        Who did you punish for the attack on Liberty?
                      4. Professor
                        Professor 18 September 2019 11: 44
                        -1
                        Quote: hohol95
                        And those who set up a minefield from which mines were torn down by storms? If the ships were blown up on these floating mines.

                        1. A steamboat with refugees was sunk by a torpedo, not a mine.
                        2. Those responsible for a war crime must be held accountable.
                      5. hohol95
                        hohol95 18 September 2019 11: 48
                        +1
                        Do you have evidence that it was a torpedo?
                        Do you have evidence that the Soviet sailors intentionally exaggerated the tonnage of the vessel to 7000 tons?
                        Do you have evidence that the Soviet sailors KNEW about the refugees on board the ship and intentionally drowned it?
                        So for the American "Liberty" who was "removed" from?
                      6. Professor
                        Professor 18 September 2019 11: 53
                        -3
                        Quote: hohol95
                        Do you have evidence that it was a torpedo?
                        Do you have evidence that the Soviet sailors intentionally exaggerated the tonnage of the vessel to 7000 tons?
                        Do you have evidence that the Soviet sailors KNEW about the refugees on board the ship and intentionally drowned it?
                        So for the American "Liberty" who was "removed" from?

                        I will wait until the Russian Defense Ministry declassifies the archives. It is surprising why after 70 years they are still secret?

                        In the meantime, the recognition of Vodeneyev is enough for me.
                      7. hohol95
                        hohol95 18 September 2019 11: 59
                        +3
                        This is not a fact ....
                        Let's wait for the declassification of the documents of the Israeli Defense Ministry on the air strike on the American ship "Liberty" ...
                        And stop crushing the water in the mortar.
                      8. Professor
                        Professor 18 September 2019 12: 53
                        -4
                        Quote: hohol95
                        This is not a fact ....
                        Let's wait for the declassification of the documents of the Israeli Defense Ministry on the air strike on the American ship "Liberty" ...
                        And stop crushing the water in the mortar.

                        Israeli military strike the ship has no relation to this story. No need to troll.

                        The fact that the ship with refugees was sunk by the Soviet submarine. There are confessions. Let's wait for the declassification of the archives of a non-existent country.
                      9. bubalik
                        18 September 2019 13: 35
                        0
                        hohol95 (Alexey) Today, 12: 59
                        Professor (Oleg Sokolov) Today, 13: 53
                        ,,, it is strange that senior lieutenant D. Denezhko was not awarded, unlike the same political officer Alexei Rodimtsev, who was awarded the KZ Order (including for the 4 boat trip)
                      10. Professor
                        Professor 18 September 2019 15: 30
                        -1
                        Quote: bubalik
                        hohol95 (Alexey) Today, 12: 59
                        Professor (Oleg Sokolov) Today, 13: 53
                        ,,, it is strange that senior lieutenant D. Denezhko was not awarded, unlike the same political officer Alexei Rodimtsev, who was awarded the KZ Order (including for the 4 boat trip)

                        What to reward? For the sinking of unarmed vehicles with refugees? Marinescu was awarded for Wilhelm Gustloff only in 1990.
                      11. Operator
                        Operator 18 September 2019 15: 53
                        -1
                        The professor lies professionally - Pedovikia directly writes about the flag of Panama, raised over the ship "Struma", and retired captain of the 2nd rank P.S. "Tavria"), described the sinking of a ship under the flag of Bulgaria - an ally of the Third Reich in WWII.
                      12. EvilLion
                        EvilLion 19 September 2019 08: 20
                        0
                        And on the ship it was written, who is on it? However, we did not attack and the loss of enemy civilians does not interest us. Let them say thanks that Germany and the rest of Hungary still exist.
                      13. Professor
                        Professor 19 September 2019 08: 23
                        0
                        Quote: EvilLion
                        And on the ship it was written, who is on it? However, we did not attack and the loss of enemy civilians does not interest us. Let them say thanks that Germany and the rest of Hungary still exist.

                        1. Unarmed passenger transport is not a legitimate target.
                        2. The massacre of refugees is a war crime without statute of limitations.
                      14. EvilLion
                        EvilLion 19 September 2019 08: 26
                        +2
                        A legitimate target is not only a hospital ship bearing the appropriate designation; everything else must be destroyed. It’s a steamboat to sort out a passenger, or an infantry regiment is being transported on it, and nobody is obliged to hold tons of ammunition in the holds.

                        And not the people of Israel, who are watering, whom they want, around the world and spit on all laws and rules, to teach us.
                      15. Professor
                        Professor 19 September 2019 09: 23
                        -1
                        Quote: EvilLion
                        A legitimate target is not only a hospital ship bearing the appropriate designation; everything else must be destroyed.

                        All clear. Hero to the captain who killed about 800 refugees.

                        Quote: EvilLion
                        It’s a steamboat to sort out a passenger, or an infantry regiment is being transported on it, and nobody is obliged to hold tons of ammunition in the holds.

                        This you will tell in the tribunal.

                        Quote: EvilLion
                        And not the people of Israel, who are watering, whom they want, around the world and spit on all laws and rules, to teach us.

                        By. We do not shoot transports with refugees. even vehicles with terrorists departing for Tunisia were not shot because there were also refugees on it.
                      16. EvilLion
                        EvilLion 19 September 2019 11: 15
                        0
                        You also say that Marinesco is a criminal, he is, of course, a drunkard and a rowdy, but "Wilhelm Gustloff" drowned quite legally.
                      17. Professor
                        Professor 19 September 2019 11: 44
                        0
                        Quote: EvilLion
                        You also say that Marinesco is a criminal, he is, of course, a drunkard and a rowdy, but "Wilhelm Gustloff" drowned quite legally.

                        1. There is still no consensus on legality. That is why the USSR was in no hurry to celebrate the sinking.
                        2. Is this a crime? See paragraphs number 1.
              2. hohol95
                hohol95 16 September 2019 15: 16
                +2
                The story of the sinking of the ship "Struma"
                pogo-on-air.livejournal.com
      2. Pedrodepackes
        Pedrodepackes 16 September 2019 14: 12
        +2
        Quote: Professor
        The truth was not sunk by a German submarine.

        it is true that it is completely unknown who drowned him
    5. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 16 September 2019 11: 22
      +8
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Therefore, I am very angry at people like Kolya from Urengoy and others like him trying to justify the Nazi soldiers and officers.

      And I'm still angry with the Nazis and their henchmen, as well as those who protect them.
    6. vladcub
      vladcub 17 September 2019 14: 26
      +3
      KOLYA IZ URENGOY this has already become a household name, like Mitrofanushka from the comedy Minor. Remember "which door?" And later Oblomov. I have no question for Kolya, but I have a question for his parents: who did you raise?
      After all, everything is laid in the family, and then the school is already connected.
    7. cradle
      cradle 18 September 2019 04: 31
      +2
      Well, they (according to the kolyan) were single ... True, our grandfathers for some reason did not agree with this and swept them aside near the Reichstag. Do you see what kind of grandfathers we had "evil" (according to kolyan)? Vaapsche kolyana would be sent to Belarus at that time. It's a pity the time machine has not yet been declassified.
      How is the tongue, the stroller is not dry? 27000000! When I print such a figure, I’m already scared.
  2. 210ox
    210ox 16 September 2019 06: 28
    +17
    I'm trying to imagine the horror of those people on the rafts ... And I can't .. About "Kolya from Urengoy" .. This is just an idiot, into which adults have invested this ... Here I am also extremely angry with them.
    1. monah
      monah 16 September 2019 08: 37
      +2
      Strongly disagree! That group of schoolchildren is the color of the nation, the best of the best! I doubt that they were sent to Germany MANDIDES!
      1. Pedrodepackes
        Pedrodepackes 16 September 2019 08: 47
        -5
        Quote: monah
        I doubt that they were sent to Germany MANDIDES!

        you are right, the fool is the one who, having taken the sentence out of the context of the report cut off before the student’s speech, put it on the Internet, and away we go. Although it has long been clarified including and Duma deputies, down to some leaders of factions. But people just to get the pluses and improve the ratings, and so they trampled on poor Kolya.
      2. Dedok
        Dedok 16 September 2019 09: 10
        +4
        I don’t think Kolya is a fool: read the textbooks that teach OUR children and grandchildren with you, this is the first.
        And the second, where did Gaidars and Chubais come from? - through training in a modern school - they are preparing new, on our heads, idiots ...
        Therefore, what is happening in school today will be tomorrow in our lives. Changes - which we do not see, running to work to feed ourselves, WE have no time to think, to study lessons with our children. Everything is simple.
        1. 210ox
          210ox 16 September 2019 17: 42
          +4
          That is why none of my four sons have any questions about who and how they fought in World War II .. They found time to deal with the children. And there is no need to justify the flaws of upbringing "once, you have to feed the family."
        2. vladcub
          vladcub 17 September 2019 14: 41
          +1
          Dedok, and you just "look at the root": where did Yegor Timurovich come from, and Boris Nikolaevich? And Beggar and Co., after all, they were brought up in the Soviet system and together with others said: "Be ready to fight for Lenin's cause. Always ready!" Or did they even then "wore a stone in their bosom"?
          In my opinion, the poet is right: "and the little son asked: what is good and what is bad *? Parents did not explain
      3. 210ox
        210ox 16 September 2019 12: 39
        +6
        The color of the nation is the guys from simple families, for example, students, for example, at the Ulyanovsk Agricultural Academy. In practice, they worked here on tractors. And these are the sons of rich parents, and "this color" will soon become a foreigner ..
  3. Olgovich
    Olgovich 16 September 2019 07: 07
    +10
    He could have left the area on the surface at maximum speed until dawn, but by the time the sun rises, the U-852 will still be less than 200 miles from the Peleus crash site. Eck decided that in order to protect his boat and crew, he needed to destroy all traces of the Peleus.

    Absolute stupidity: how can one drown the same lumber of transport mentioned in the article?
    And how could a sailor not know that it is almost impossible to sink rafts (such is their design)?

    Even dead sailors are also witnesses.

    Just sadism. For which they received ....
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 16 September 2019 09: 03
      +5
      And how could a sailor not know that it is almost impossible to sink rafts (such is their design)?

      Probably knew. Therefore, the goal was not to sink the rafts, but to kill the survivors. It’s just that the court emphasized the drowning of rafts to mitigate the sentence.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 16 September 2019 09: 40
        +5
        Quote: glory1974
        Probably knew. Therefore, the goal was not to sink the rafts, but kill the survivors.

        so what is the purpose?
        You can’t hide the wreckage, shot corpses on rafts are also witnesses ....
        Yes, and living, what would they say? What in the pitch darkness did someone drown them?
      2. bubalik
        16 September 2019 18: 51
        +5
        Just in court
        ,,, after the trial, two lawyers who were defending Eck died within a month. One "hanged himself", the other died in a car accident with an American military jeep. Investigations into these cases are still classified today. yes
    2. bubalik
      16 September 2019 09: 06
      +9
      how can one drown the same lumber of transport mentioned in the article?
      And how could a sailor not know that it is almost impossible to sink rafts (such is their design)?

      ,,,unclear request , stupidity can not be explained. Ekk in the fleet with 1937g., five years in minesweepers. In 1942. transferred to Kriegsmarine. Time was lost, the morale of the crew was suppressed, not only didn’t blow up the boat on the coral, but the ship’s magazine didn’t destroy it.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 16 September 2019 09: 44
        +7
        Quote: bubalik
        ,,, it’s incomprehensible, it’s impossible to explain stupidity .. Time has been lost, crew morale has been suppressed, not only hasn’t blown up the boat on the coral, but it hasn’t destroyed the ship’s magazine.

        So am I about this: the stupidity of the actions of a dumb captain is inexplicable. recourse

        Maybe something happened to the psyche ... This, I think, is one of the likely explanations.
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 16 September 2019 16: 17
        +7
        Good day, Sergey! hi

        A good article, I did not know the details of this story, I read that Ekka was spanked on the case and that’s it.
        All his actions in this campaign are just delirium of a schizophrenic. Having a specific and responsible task, for some reason I decided to sink the old trough. Then, instead of leaving the place of attack at full speed, he began to shoot the rafts, he didn't know, a "professional sailor", that this was an empty occupation? After all, after the first bursts, it was clear that this was an empty number, but no, with the stubbornness of a maniac, he continued to hammer even from paired machines! When it finally dawned on him that the case was hopeless, he left, but the time was lost.

        Further, having missed the Wellington attack and run aground, not only did he not destroy it by blowing it up, but also managed to "present" secret documents to the enemy.

        Outcome: I did not complete the task, I ruined the boat, provided the enemy with secret documents. And most importantly, he got his hands covered in blood up to the elbows by killing unarmed and defenseless people. He, Ekku with his "doctor", the most worthy place - service in some "death camp", and not on the bridge of a warship.

        Well, what should I call him after all this? There are a lot of words, very bad ones and any one will suit him. Everyone can choose to taste.

        The fool, the sadist and the muddler are the most intelligent that comes to my mind.
        1. bubalik
          16 September 2019 17: 06
          +4
          Good article
          ,,, koryavinky copy-paste cannot be a good article wassat but for a kind word, thank you yes Did you notice, Konstantin, that Eck didn’t shoot himself?
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 16 September 2019 17: 14
            +7
            I didn’t notice anything clumsy, but in general I had in mind the topic itself, few people touch on it, so you continue further, I will wait.

            Did you notice, Konstantin, that Eck didn’t shoot himself?


            I noticed. Most likely, he simply does not know how. And handle the machine gun too. In my opinion, he does not know how to do anything at all and he got into the commander of the boat solely because of the "staff turnover".

            Yes, but did you notice the state of his weapon? Machine gunners are constantly going crazy. It is necessary to bring any MG to such a state that he, the poor fellow, would "stutter at every turn." laughing
            1. cradle
              cradle 18 September 2019 05: 41
              +2
              Quote: Sea Cat
              It is necessary to bring any MG to such a state that he, the poor fellow, would "stutter at every turn." laughing

              MG was actually quite sensitive to contamination. That's not our stamping. Which commander is such a boat ...
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 18 September 2019 14: 15
                +4
                MG-34-42 pretty reliable machines, especially the 42nd, not without reason after the war it was copied by all and sundry.
                MG was actually quite sensitive to contamination.

                Yuri, what kind of "pollution" can you imagine in the confined space of a submarine on a cruise? I can't do any. request
                1. cradle
                  cradle 20 September 2019 02: 34
                  +2
                  I can .... this is when the weapon is not cleaned from the word WAAPSCHE. laughing I wrote: what commander is such a boat. By the way, the article does not indicate machine guns — MG-34 or 42. 42 is more reliable than the kaneshno, but if the roller locks the shutter, then a wedge that comes to mind when the rollers become dirty is remembered.
                  1. bubalik
                    20 September 2019 08: 35
                    +1
                    besik (yuri) Today, 03: 34
                    Sea Cat (Constantine)
                    ,, the question is of course interesting what
                    From boat form VIIC

                    (I'm not very technical in features crying and if Yuri and Konstantin complement me, it would be wonderful fellow )
                    in the arsenal was: one light machine gun MG 34, two more machine guns (model not specified, I think the same MG 34), three Mauser rifles, three bayonets, signal pistols.
                    During the war and depending on the class of the boat, the tasks assigned to it, the armament was different.

                    U-601.

                    (Mauser and MP-40?)

                    Also came across such infa. that, MG-34 have been replaced with MG-81 or MG-81Z or MG-15s. hi
                    1. Catfish
                      Catfish 20 September 2019 14: 18
                      +2
                      Serge hi , here's a really big thank you for the form, I've never come across before. Regarding section C), point 2, I think this is just a typo, according to logic and meaning there should be printed submachine guns instead of machine guns. In general, this form is drawn up in English, and in English the submachine gun sounds like "submachine gan", in contrast to the German "machine pistole", so there could be confusion during the translation. And for sure there were two "good old" MP-38/40, like one of these "brave" hunters on the deck of the boat.
                      1. bubalik
                        20 September 2019 14: 23
                        +1
                        Sea Cat (Constantine) Today, 15: 18
                        C) point 2, I think that this is just a typo, according to the logic and sense, instead of machine guns, submachine guns should be printed there.
                        Konstantin hi probably it is yes ,,,and I think what fool there is one machine gun brand, but in paragraph 2 - no request . good
                      2. Catfish
                        Catfish 20 September 2019 14: 38
                        +2
                        Here I am also surprised that there is no brand of weapon and, by the way, just now I drew attention to point 3, it says Mauzer PISTOLS (!) Cal. 7,65 cm. What is this Mauser pistol, and even with this caliber? About centimeters is a typo, of course, but the rest is complete nonsense. Something too "clever" authors with this form. request
                    2. Catfish
                      Catfish 20 September 2019 14: 27
                      +1
                      Also came across such infa. that, MG-34s were replaced with MG-81s or MG-81Zs, or MG-15s. hi


                      Regarding the supply of boats with these aircraft machine guns, I did not hear anything, but, in principle, by the end of the war, a thing is quite possible due to the shortage of standard infantry weapons for the army; here on the submarines and shoved what is "not very" for the army. Residual supply. smile
                      1. bubalik
                        20 September 2019 15: 04
                        +1
                        ,,, but with Sturmgewehr, it’s just not exactly known whether this is a base guard or a crew member.
                      2. Catfish
                        Catfish 20 September 2019 15: 21
                        +1
                        Judging by the robe in which he is dressed, he is a crew member and most likely a guard on the ramp, because he is in a helmet, and the Germans complied with the charter.

                        Yes, I remember. Sergei, have you read a book by a certain Bush "Such was the submarine war"? The author himself is a non-commissioned officer and went on a boat of one of the most famous German aces. I read in my youth, I started to forget something, and I don’t remember the name of the commander. So, the commander of Bush's boat was friends with Prien and Bush was aware of many events of that time, in particular, he described Prien's raid in Scapa Flow in detail. The book is small, but very interesting, at least I remember it that way. It seems that our Military Publishing House released it.
                  2. Catfish
                    Catfish 20 September 2019 13: 51
                    +1
                    I can .... this is when the weapon is not cleaned from the word WAAPSCHE.


                    Yuri, your assumption is correct in two cases: 1). If the machine gun "as unnecessary" was not removed from the factory preservation, then yes, even flies could start in it. 2). If removed from conservation and "forgot" to lubricate with oil, then, too, yes, from constant dampness in the compartments could rust, which does not contribute to uninterrupted combat.
                    But in any case, the postulate "as is the priest, so is the arrival" remains true. I’m just a normal person and the culture of handling weapons has been instilled in me since childhood, so it’s hard for me to imagine such an attitude towards the barrel that could save your life. hi
                2. bubalik
                  20 September 2019 09: 40
                  +1
                  Sea Cat (Constantine) 18 September 2019

                  ,, the question is of course interesting
      3. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 16 September 2019 19: 10
        +3
        Thank you so much Sergey for your essay!
        Regards, Vladislav!
        1. bubalik
          16 September 2019 19: 13
          +3
          Kote Pane Kohanka (Vladislav) Today, 20: 10
          hi ,,, all for our esteemed readers and visitors fellow Thank you yes
          1. cradle
            cradle 18 September 2019 05: 42
            0
            An interesting article to the author of respect.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 16 September 2019 11: 33
      +2
      Quote: Olgovich
      Absolute stupidity: how can one drown the same lumber of transport mentioned in the article?

      Yes, he knew everything. And these words are an excuse for the court (may not be shot). He simply did not hesitate to comply with the order, and shot all the witnesses, but did not calculate. The result is known but most of them got away with it ..
      1. Ural-4320
        Ural-4320 16 September 2019 14: 46
        +1
        Even if he decided to shoot people, he still did it in an idiotic manner. He interrogated people, and then released him. And only after that for some reason began the execution.
    4. vladcub
      vladcub 17 September 2019 14: 42
      +1
      Unfortunately, only three, but there were many
  4. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 16 September 2019 07: 11
    +6
    There the sea is at least warm and the chances of survival are greater ... but in the northern seas ..... and somehow I didn’t hear that the surviving captains of German submarines were tried for the sinking of hospital ships ... fishing trawlers in our northern seas .... .
    1. Pedrodepackes
      Pedrodepackes 16 September 2019 07: 16
      +3
      Quote: Andrey VOV
      and somehow I didn’t hear that the surviving captains of German submarines were tried for the sinking of hospital ships ... fishing trawlers in our northern seas .....

      so the allies drowned them almost all, until the end of the war they did not survive.
      1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
        Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 16 September 2019 08: 42
        +1
        And so, probably!
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 16 September 2019 11: 36
        +5
        Quote: Pedrodepackes
        so the allies drowned them almost all, until the end of the war they did not survive.

        We survived, and not one. I met some in Spain on the Canaries back in the 60 years.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 16 September 2019 18: 21
          +3
          But not all of them are pathological killers like the same Ekka. Lehman-Willenbrock went through the entire war from the first to the last year, and no one was able to show him anything, and there was nothing to show. Kretschmer spent three years (or four) in British captivity, and they did not think to judge him. After the war, became the first commander of the Bundesmarin. (And for the murder of their own, that the British, that the Americans took revenge for real). Although he, like Willenbrock in the top ten in terms of performance. Much, if not all, depends on the personal qualities of a particular person.
          1. Avior
            Avior 17 September 2019 09: 34
            +4
            About Eichmann, who has become practically a symbol of mass killings by Jewish fascists, one can find the opinion that he was not only a pathological killer, but even an anti-Semite, or if he was, then moderate.
            belonged to this so, it is a dirty and unpleasant matter, murders, but someone has to do this dirty work.
            And this, in my opinion, is the most frightening.
            All the same, there are not so many killers of killers, but the fact that an ordinary person, of which millions, is capable of mass killings, is what scares the most
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 17 September 2019 13: 51
              +2
              "The accountant of death," as they called him here and there. After all, he was well aware of what he was doing, otherwise at the end of the war he would not have budged and would have pulled him up earlier than everyone else.

              And "an ordinary person, what millions" is quite capable of mass murder while in the herd of the same "ordinary" people like himself. Especially if he is given such an order and his commander or boss is responsible for everything. The crowd is the most terrible and predatory animal in the world. But purely on an individual basis, everything depends on the inclinations of the person himself.
              After all, the same doctor on the boat could send Ekka with his orders, but instead took up the machine gun.
              1. bubalik
                17 September 2019 14: 13
                +3
                from the doctor
                ,,, and think about who ... the doctor! He didn’t take arms at all.
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 17 September 2019 14: 28
                  +2
                  Hello, Sergey!
                  Well, with the presence of Dr. Mengele and company, is it any wonder that the doctor from the submarine just decided to shoot. Well, the allied tribunal appreciated his ability to use a machine gun. Only such "doctors" should not be shot, but hanged. To "... and you will hang until death comes." (FROM).
                  1. bubalik
                    17 September 2019 14: 59
                    +3
                    The question was whether he was a qualified doctor. At first, the duties of the doctor were combined ,,, radio operators!
                    As the war develops, many submarines, in particular the larger ones heading to the South Atlantic and beyond, the danger of illness due to heat, lengthy transitions or a particularly dangerous task, deserve a special doctor.
                    During such a service, the doctor was officially considered non-combatant; he was not required to keep watch or perform any tasks related to with weapon! ,,,it got boring request
    2. Avior
      Avior 16 September 2019 08: 29
      +8
      Do you know a lot of cases of illegal sinking of hospital ships?
      The fact that the ship carries civilians and the wounded, like Gustlov, or red crosses on it, does not make it a hospital vessel in the terms of the Hague Convention, a number of conditions must be met - to go separately from convoys, not to have weapons on board, to provide assistance to all parties and td
      As for the trawlers, this is war. Dirty businesssad
      They just talk about strangers, about their own no .....
      Lunin decided to come up and give battle in the water position [5]. The boat surfaced near a whole flotilla of Norwegian fishing motobots engaged in fishing (this area, called Svensgrunn, is rich in fish) and, as it turned out later, unarmed. Norwegian fishermen, raising the flag, indicated their nationality, which, however, did not force Lunin to abandon the attack [8]. The first ship to be attacked was the Khavegga with a crew of 7; as a result of shelling with artillery and small arms, three more were killed and three more Norwegian fishermen were injured, and the ship was seriously damaged. Further, the Baren motor-bot was attacked, trying to leave the battlefield; K-21 was limited to a line from a machine gun and a signal that Norwegian fishermen interpreted as a ban on going ashore. The next goal of the K-21 was the Eystein motobot, attacked from a distance of 100 meters (the fishermen thought that the boat came up to ask for fresh fish). The motobot was badly damaged by artillery fire at close range, five fishermen were killed, and one was wounded. With another motobot, the Skrein, the crew of 7 people was removed and transferred to the submarine. The last was attacked by the Freya motorbot, which sank as a result of the received injuries (one died and another person was injured) [8]. When attacking motorbots, in addition to artillery, small arms were also used (DP machine gun, rifles, PPSh submachine gun, Nagan revolver) [9], and Lunin personally shot fishermen with hand weapons [10]. During the firing wave, the navy A. Labutin was washed overboard the boat, bringing the shells to the gun. The boat commander did not take all necessary measures to save him, believing he drowned. Labutina picked up the Baren motobot and delivered to the Norwegian village, where he was handed over to the German occupation authorities and placed by them in a concentration camp. In 1944, he managed to escape, to get to Sweden and from there to the USSR [8]. Norwegian fishermen were brought to Murmansk; after the war, four of them returned to Norway, three died in Soviet camps. Lunin’s actions against the motobots were not approved by the command [5], but he did not suffer any punishment. According to the results of the battle, Lunin announced the sinking of four motorbots, according to Norwegian data, one motorbot was sunk and three were seriously damaged [11].
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 16 September 2019 08: 35
        +2
        Please discard the link to the source ... interesting to read. hi
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      2. Pedrodepackes
        Pedrodepackes 16 September 2019 08: 53
        0
        Quote: Avior
        During the firing wave, the navy A. Labutin was washed overboard the boat, bringing the shells to the gun. The boat commander did not take all necessary measures to save him, believing he drowned.

        not even regretted his bastard
      3. Olgovich
        Olgovich 16 September 2019 10: 07
        +3
        Quote: Avior
        Do you know a lot of cases of illegal sinking of hospital ships?

        Hospital ship "Armenia", 1941, Yalta. Sunk by torpedo, aircraft commander is known. A terrible disaster: out of 7 thousand people, they saved ... 7 people.
        Although .. it was protected by MO and I 153 ....
        1. Avior
          Avior 16 September 2019 10: 48
          +3
          That's it. went as part of a convoy, and was armed with guns
          1. Pedrodepackes
            Pedrodepackes 16 September 2019 11: 38
            0
            Quote: Avior
            went as part of a convoy, and was armed with guns

            and not a submarine was sunk
            Quote: Olgovich
            Sunk by a torpedo bomber, the aircraft commander is known.
          2. albert
            albert 16 September 2019 17: 46
            +4
            Quote: Avior
            That's it. went as part of a convoy, and was armed with guns

            Even if "Armenia" was unarmed and walked alone under the red cross, the Germans would hardly have not attacked it.
            1. Avior
              Avior 16 September 2019 17: 49
              +2
              "Hardly" you will not get to the point, unfortunately.
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 16 September 2019 22: 12
          +2
          Quote: Olgovich
          A terrible catastrophe: out of 7 thousand people, they saved ... 7 people.

          On 03.12.1941, during the evacuation from Hanko, the Iosif Stalin turbo-electric ship was blown up in the Lohusalu area, there were about 6000 people on board. Patrol boats rescued about 1700 people, the rest remained on board. According to the Navy, about 2000 died, the rest were taken prisoner. According to eyewitnesses, on December 5, the ship was thrown onto a sandbank, the Germans set up guards on the shore, they did not climb the ship, they escaped as best they could. The wounded were left to their own devices and everyone died. How many no one counted. After the war, the remains were in the holds. Terrible death.
      4. BAI
        BAI 16 September 2019 15: 08
        +10
        They just talk about strangers, about their own


        And here it is appropriate to recall the following:

        Numerous Norwegian motobots, along with patrol ships and minesweepers, carried the main load in the fight against submarines in the northern naval group of fascist Germany. The crew of the boat remembered well how in the second campaign "K-21" on January 19 at about. Arney the boat was forced to evade the networks that the motorbots set up. The nets turned out to be anti-submarine signal nets and the motorbots chased the boat for 2 hours and 45 minutes, dropping 85 (!) Depth charges on it. With motor bots dropping depth bombs, the boat also encountered in the fourth campaign. Therefore, Lunin decided to come up, destroy the motobot with artillery fire and take prisoners.


        This was a real combat enemy, not "peaceful fishermen". It is quite natural and adequate reaction to get even with those who nearly destroyed the boat. By the way, the well-known concept, the word (whatever you like), which has become a symbol of cooperation with the Nazis, Quisling is of Norwegian origin.
        So do not quote Vlasov agitation.
        1. Avior
          Avior 16 September 2019 16: 35
          -1
          The trawlers during the war, of course, used many fleets for auxiliary service and armed them.
          But specifically, these were peaceful fishermen, unarmed and not related to the navy. They have specific names.
          And it was impossible not to see this when shooting from a gun on fishermen.
          "Vlasovskaya agitation" is a Vic-pedia, for some reason they began to delete references to it.
          hi
          1. Jager
            Jager 18 September 2019 01: 31
            +2
            Sense of shooting a motorized bot from light small arms at a distance of over 100 meters? From Nagan at 100 meters, into the sea ... Given such conditions, you won’t get into the battleship.
            1. Avior
              Avior 18 September 2019 05: 58
              0
              Nevertheless, they shot, which suggests that the distance at that time was less than 100 m.
    3. Tavrik
      Tavrik 16 September 2019 13: 14
      0
      Duc, then ours too should be judged. Let's remember how Marinesco flunked Steuben. And there were other episodes with the sinking of neutrals.
      It is better not to touch this topic, in order to avoid the discovery of a lot of new and not always pleasant ....
      1. BAI
        BAI 16 September 2019 15: 11
        +6
        It’s better not to touch this topic.

        This topic must be touched so as not to be left to the mercy of those who pervert history.
      2. Avior
        Avior 16 September 2019 16: 36
        +5
        No, everything is fine with Marinesco, there’s nothing to judge, Stoiben was not a hospital ship.
    4. Alf
      Alf 16 September 2019 21: 47
      +2
      Quote: Andrey VOV
      There the sea is at least warm and the chances of survival are greater

      In warm seas, more often triangular fins stick out of the water.
  5. Avior
    Avior 16 September 2019 08: 15
    +6
    Eck called the English-speaking chief engineer Hans Lenz to the deck.

    One gets the impression that the article is not a good translation from English, otherwise the appearance of the chief engineer on a submarine cannot be explained.
    Ekka should have been shot only because he decided to attack Peleus, although he had to secretly reach the target. And for the murder, the second time to shoot. And the third, for stupidity in an attempt to sink lumber with machine guns ....
    In general, such actions for submariners during the war are not very characteristic, as shown by the reaction of the team, although there have been such cases, and are not so isolated.
    The Hague Convention recorded that, before attacking the ship, the submarine commander should come up and warn the crew so that they can leave on boats. And in World War I this was done.
    But in World War II, this turned out to be impossible because of the development of aviation. Therefore, this paragraph was violated by everyone.
    Well, there is the famous Doenitz order banning the salvation of drowning.
    1. bubalik
      16 September 2019 08: 21
      +8
      But in the second
      hi ,,, Incident "Laconia".
      ,,, the order "Triton Zero", known in the Navy as the "Order of" Laconia. " Its main essence was to prohibit submarine commanders from providing any assistance to people from sinking ships.
      1. Avior
        Avior 16 September 2019 08: 47
        +1
        Yes, I wrote about this
      2. Mik13
        Mik13 16 September 2019 12: 34
        +6
        Quote: bubalik
        ,,, Incident "Laconia".
        ,,, the order "Triton Zero", known in the Navy as the "Order of" Laconia. " Its main essence was to prohibit submarine commanders from providing any assistance to people from sinking ships.

        Then it should be added that the "incident" consisted in the fact that the American B-24 attacked the German submarine U-156, which was performing an operation to rescue passengers from the very Laconia (which had sunk before that).

        As for the WWI, the Germans had to abandon the requirements of the Hague Convention (on the ascent and warning of the team before torpedoing) precisely in response to the actions of the British.
        The fact is that the British actively used trap vessels that looked like a merchant ship and went under the merchant flag. when the submarine surfaced to warn of an attack, the submarine came under sudden artillery fire.
        The fact that such actions also violate the Hague Convention, the British, of course, did not really bother ...
        1. Avior
          Avior 16 September 2019 13: 09
          +1
          there you need to figure out who first started. Germans had surface raiders disguised as trading
    2. bubalik
      16 September 2019 08: 44
      +3
      appearance of the chief engineer
      ,,, I agree, the mechanic sounds better. recourse
    3. Glory1974
      Glory1974 16 September 2019 09: 01
      +1
      The Hague Convention recorded that, before attacking the ship, the submarine commander should come up and warn the crew so that they can leave on boats. And in World War I this was done.

      The Germans did not observe this even in the First World War. "Lusitania" in my opinion was so poptopped.
      1. bubalik
        16 September 2019 10: 28
        +8
        Germans and the first world

        30.03.1916, the hospital ship Portyugalia was attacked and sunk by the German submarine U-33.
        25.06.1916 in the Black Sea, the Vperyod gas tank was attacked and sunk by the German U-38 submarine.
        After the end of the war, submarine commanders U-33, Lieutenant Commander Conrad Gansser and U-38, Captain 3, rank Max Valentineiner, were declared war criminals. However, this was done not for the attacks and sinking of Russian ships under the flag of the Red Cross, but for attacks without warning on a number of British transport steamers.
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        2. Avior
          Avior 16 September 2019 13: 11
          +1
          there you need to figure out under what circumstances.
          A hospital ship must meet a number of requirements
          1. hohol95
            hohol95 16 September 2019 14: 23
            +5
            The death of “merciful ships” (to the 100th anniversary of the Black Sea tragedy)
            Simonenko V.B. Doctor of Medical Sciences, Corresponding Member of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Major General of the Medical Service.
            Abashin V.G., doctor of medical sciences professor, colonel of the medical service stock.
            Sergoventsev A.A. Ph.D. Colonel of the medical service.
            Alexandrov A.S., doctor of medical sciences Associate Professor, Colonel of the Medical Service Reserve.
            Central Military Clinical Hospital named after P.V. Mandryka of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. 107014. Moscow. Russia.

            The sinking of the hospital ship caused outrage in many countries. However, the commander of U-33 did not suffer punishment. After this incident, German submariners stopped paying attention to hospital ships and peaceful transports. They just drowned them ....
            At the end of April 1916, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs notified all enemy governments of the inclusion of the new floating hospitals of the Vperyod and Athena ROCCs as hospital ships. Petrov was appointed captain of the Vperyod hospital ship, and doctor Nevtonov was appointed head of the hospital. Sisters of mercy - Uspenskaya, Weber, Princess Eristova, Oganezova and others.
            25.06.1916 (SS) in the Black Sea, the Vperyod GS was attacked by a German submarine U-38. Submarine commander Captain 3rd rank Max Valentine (Valentiner) repeated the “feat” of Hansser, using two torpedoes to shoot an unarmed hospital ship, which sank 32 miles from Batum in the early morning, at the mouth of the Khopa River.
            As in the case of Portugale, the Germans stated that the target did not carry the Red Cross distinctive signs, which is more like an attempt to evade responsibility
            1. Avior
              Avior 16 September 2019 16: 58
              +1
              As in the case of Portugale, the Germans stated that the target did not bear the distinctive signs of the Red Cross,

              So were the signs or not? If not, then the vessel did not fall under the Convention.
              Unfortunately, in such cases the truth is often told, but not the whole truth, but only its profitable part, so when you delve into some kind of situation, circumstances that are not mentioned always pop up.
              As for Portugal, the ship towed landing barges,
              What could not be done, it brought the ship out of the scope of the convention. The Germans stated that they saw military materials and weapons on them, but even if they were not there, the convention still no longer guarded the ship
              hi
              1. hohol95
                hohol95 16 September 2019 20: 33
                +3
                An excerpt from the article! Read the full article and see photos of the dead ships! And also find out who died on them!

                GS "Forward"

                GS "Portyugal"
                1. Avior
                  Avior 16 September 2019 20: 39
                  +1
                  Have you watched the addition to this article?
                  From which it is obvious that not everyone wrote in the article
                  In the April issue (1931) of the Maritime Journal, an article of Cap. Lukin’s 2nd rank “Near the Batumi Shores”, published in the March 27 issue of the newspaper “Poslednye Novosti” and said that “Portugal”, as it turns out from the article, “was completely sunk by a German submarine.”

                  I do not know what is true there, what is not, and who is right, but the fact that the article you quoted ignored these subtleties is a fact.
                  http://2cvkg.ru/new/index.php/hist-id01
                  1. hohol95
                    hohol95 16 September 2019 20: 45
                    +2
                    Stay with your excellent opinion! I will remain with my wonderful opinion!
                    And let German submariners fry demons in large pans.
      2. Jager
        Jager 18 September 2019 01: 34
        +1
        Lusitania has a muddy history. And she still transported ammunition and explosives.
    4. Antares
      Antares 17 September 2019 08: 27
      +3
      Quote: Avior
      The Hague Convention recorded that, before attacking the ship, the submarine commander should come up and warn the crew so that they can leave on boats. And in World War I this was done.

      Lusitania?
      Yes, where a lot has not been done.
      And in general, at first they tried and realized that the implementation of such standards is fraught with the death of themselves.
      Chivalry in the war died long ago.
      Too powerful weapons have been developed.
  6. Vadim T.
    Vadim T. 16 September 2019 08: 57
    +1
    The Germans sank Soviet civilian ships and transports with particular cruelty. Especially many of them were destroyed along with people during the evacuation from Sevastopol. Then not only submariners committed atrocities, but also Luftwaffe pilots, who saw perfectly well from a height that they were killing unarmed people. The situation was the same in the North. There were so many facts that a feature film "Twice Born" was made about it. And in the film "Torpedo Bombers" there is also an episode with the sinking of our civilian ship.
    The worst thing is that all the witnesses were destroyed. Therefore, the villains who committed these crimes remained unpunished ...
  7. Evil 55
    Evil 55 16 September 2019 10: 39
    +1
    No perverted morality can justify the inflicted horrors of war ..
  8. Seal
    Seal 16 September 2019 10: 45
    +1
    Quote: Olgovich
    Sunk by a torpedo bomber, the aircraft commander is known.
    Not the fact that it is known.
    According to the official version, Heinkel He 111, accidentally stranded over this section of the sea, dropped two torpedoes onto the ship, one of which reached the target.
    Other sources, citing eyewitnesses, say that eight Junkers Ju 87 bombed Armenia immediately.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 16 September 2019 12: 23
      +1
      Quote: Seal
      Not the fact that it is known.
      According to the official version, Heinkel He 111, accidentally stranded over this section of the sea, dropped two torpedoes onto the ship, one of which reached the target.
      Other sources, citing eyewitnesses, say that eight Junkers Ju 87 bombed Armenia immediately.

      Not a fact, even the case of him is either destroyed or in the FSB archive.

      But supposedly
      At 11 a.m. the ship was attacked by a single German torpedo bomber Heinkel He-25, which belonged to the 111st squadron of the I / KG1 air group (commander Oerst-August Roth). There is a record in the German military journal about the attack.
      request
      The fact is that so far the ship has not been found, despite great efforts ....
  9. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 16 September 2019 12: 35
    +5
    He did not hide traces, but reveled in his role as the arbiter of life and death. As a professional naval officer, he could not help but understand the futility of trying to destroy the tracks. It was just that the captain went to the captain, and judging by the fact that he was actively and unconditionally helped, and not only from him.
    1. bubalik
      16 September 2019 13: 03
      +2
      Just the captain went to the captain
      ,,, which is interesting, having sunk 01.04. 1944 transport "Dahomian" near Cape Point, the boat immediately left the scene of the attack.
  10. Undecim
    Undecim 16 September 2019 12: 35
    +9

    March 26, 1944, in the Indian Ocean, a Japanese submarine I-8 torpedoed a Dutch cargo ship SS Tjisalak with a displacement of 5800 tons.
    97 survivors were lifted from the water onto the deck of the boat. They were tied in two and killed with swords, wrenches with sledgehammers. The corpses were thrown into the sea. Six survived, they were not noticed in the water and they were saved.
    Two months later, the same boat sank American transport SS Jean Nicolet with a displacement of 7200 tons. 100 people were raised from the water, who were killed one at a time within a few hours.
    Of the crew after the surrender of Japan, three were found and convicted. The boat was sunk by American destroyers at the end of 1944. The boat's commander, Tatsunosuke Arizumi, committed suicide on Japan's surrender day.
    1. bubalik
      16 September 2019 20: 07
      +3
      ,,, the Japanese have a large list of them: RO-110, I-37, I-165, I-12, I-26 and these are just the crimes of shooting crews of sunken ships where witnesses remained.
  11. kig
    kig 16 September 2019 13: 11
    +4
    It would be better to read the original if the author bothered to give a link. But we live in the Internet age! So Vicki. Our-language version speaks of the boat very briefly: laid down, launched, entered service, made one military campaign, ran aground off the coast of Somalia, evading aircraft attacks, 7 people died, 59 survived and were later taken prisoner. The German version is also very short, and besides, I do not speak this language. The longest story will be told by the English Wiki. There, the TTD of the boat is covered in some detail, from which it follows that its purpose was purely combat. And then finally the campaign: In early 1944, the Kriegsmarine dispatched U-852 on a top-secret mission to disrupt the Allies' Far East war effort by attacking sea lanes in the Indian Ocean - that is, no transportation of strategic materials was supposed, but the task was to disrupt shipping in the Indian Ocean. Further: However, to do this successfully the submarine would have to maintain a high-level of secrecy throughout her journey from Europe - that is, the boat should not have found itself on the way from Europe to the designated area of ​​operations. Well, further, in fact, the sinking of Peleus is briefly described, without mentioning who exactly shot and what the team spoke about later. By the way, two weeks later the boat sank another ship, but there were no shootings. And the end of the story was this: after the attack of the aircraft, the commander was forced to throw the damaged boat aground. Then the Somaliland Camel Corps (!!) captured the surviving crew, then the British examined the boat and found Kriegstagebuch ("War Diary") - a combat log from which everything became clear.

    And at the end of the Doenitz memoir (I hope everyone knows who it is):

    I heard about this case after the war, in Nuremberg. Of course, I could not approve of the actions of this commander. Under no circumstances should an officer depart from the generally accepted moral principles of warfare. However, during interrogation in Nuremberg, I made the following statement:

    “I would like to note that Captain Lieutenant Ek had to make a very difficult decision. He was responsible for the safety of the boat and crew, and in wartime the burden of this responsibility is very heavy. As far as I remember, at about this time and in the same place four more boats fell under the bombs. If, knowing this, Ek believed that, having refrained from this action, he would be discovered and destroyed, and if he went to shoot people precisely for these reasons, then, I am sure, a German military court would definitely take this fact into account. When the battle is over, the events are seen a little differently, we should not forget about this when making a decision, as well as about the enormous burden of responsibility that lay on the shoulders of the ill-fated captain. ”
    1. bubalik
      16 September 2019 14: 14
      +2
      kig Today, 14: 11
      hi ,,, when searching about the ship "Peleus", there is more and more informative material than about U-852.
    2. Avior
      Avior 16 September 2019 17: 02
      0
      He had to take people on board like prisoners.
      I had no right to kill
      1. Tavrik
        Tavrik 16 September 2019 18: 37
        +4
        Nowhere to take them there. There is no place. Or immediately finish the mission and take to the nearest neutral port. With British spies.
        Some commanders in such cases (if the situation allowed) provided the first honey. help, gave some food and water or alcohol and pointed the course to the nearest shore. "Everything I can" ...
        1. Avior
          Avior 16 September 2019 21: 28
          +1
          or so.
          but he definitely didn’t have the right to shoot, even if it was necessary to ensure secrecy.
          but in general this is a wider problem, among special forces special forces
  12. BAI
    BAI 16 September 2019 14: 52
    +5
    They committed war crimes and other submariners.

    The commander of an American submarine, Commander Dudley Morton, after the sinking of two transports, the Buyo Maru and the Fukuei Maru, ordered all lifeboats to be shot with a machine gun and small-caliber guns.

    It is good that the author of others remembered. I thought while reading that I’ll remind you now, and the author himself has already written.
    It should be added that in that campaign the American submarine was not sunk, and its commander managed to get a reward for that campaign. Naturally, no one called him a war criminal. Although he shot his allies - captured Indian soldiers who were transported by Japanese vehicles.
    1. Avior
      Avior 16 September 2019 17: 09
      +4
      Regarding Morton, there are several different versions of the description of the event, including such
      "Vice Admiral Charles Lockwood, Commander of the Pacific Submarine Force, writes that Japanese soldiers were the first to fire rifles and machine guns on the submarine, which returned fire."
      I don’t guess, as it actually was, but the fact that the Japanese could open fire, undoubtedly could.
  13. ROBIN-SON
    ROBIN-SON 17 September 2019 07: 16
    +1
    This is war. Everyone thought of themselves and their comrades. I believe that the PL commander made this decision with a heavy heart. Although of course, it was a criminal decision.
    Which decision would you make?
  14. Antares
    Antares 17 September 2019 08: 35
    +2
    The commander’s intentions are clear-combat operation.
    Just why he did not think that the ship could attract the attention of others.
    While he was there trying to deal with the "traces" - this time. A murderer at the scene for too long is stupid.
    It was necessary to give up a minimum and not to shine, to carry out the task further. As many did.
    The Germans are certainly not Japanese with their attitude, but they obeyed the order.
    And the order to destroy the crew was very stupid for the task. The result is logical.
    It’s a pity that lives were not saved because of a stupid decision. Not humane, and absolutely stupid in the situation.
    The deaths of people on ships and at sea are tragic. A shot from the film just cut into memory for the lack of a chronicle.
    Cold in the north, sharks in the south, death from the execution or swords of the Japanese after captivity, death in the hull ..
    death from being in water, death from thirst / hunger ...
    it's all sad. On land, it certainly seems easier, but death is here and there.
  15. Arthur 85
    Arthur 85 17 September 2019 19: 25
    +2
    But you still need to edit the texts after the Google translator. Impossible to read. And what does molybdenum have to do with strategic reserves? The boat went to Africa to meet Japanese transport, and the commander began his initiative? Or, if Doenitz wanted to carry molybdenum with boats from Japan, he was probably a fool?
    1. bubalik
      18 September 2019 07: 41
      +1
      Or, if Doenitz wanted to carry molybdenum with boats from Japan, he was probably a fool?

      The fact remains that not only molybdenum was transported, but also mercury, and uranium oxide, tungsten, gold, and tin.
      1. Arthur 85
        Arthur 85 18 September 2019 09: 14
        +2
        Um. Well, this, of course, from fierce hopelessness. Suppose you don’t need a lot of molybdenum, but will that boat go around Africa? Or will another go with her and refuel her somewhere on 1/3 of the road? And if something breaks down, somewhere in India? Isn’t it easier for the Japanese to hire civil transport (the Americans will first of all search those who go to Japan.) And somewhere in the Gulf of Guinea they will meet.
        1. bubalik
          18 September 2019 09: 33
          +2
          Arthur 85 (Andrey) Today, 10: 14
          ,,, a gamble, of course. Of all the boats of the Monsun group, 41? I don’t remember exactly, in 1944 only 2 submarines reached Europe from Asia with cargo: U-178 and U-188. In 1945 only two submarines returned home: U-843 and U-861.
          1. Arthur 85
            Arthur 85 18 September 2019 09: 42
            +1
            Stunned, did not know about this. I heard that a heavy water was sent to Japan in the 45th boat, dismantled jet messerschmitt, and something else ... By the way, I read, I don’t know how true it is that during the WWII the Germans sent a zeppelin from Germany to China in support of their colonial troops . This, in my opinion, is the most-most gamble of all time.
            1. bubalik
              18 September 2019 09: 45
              +1
              I heard that in Japan on a boat they sent heavy water to the 45, dismantled jet messerschmitt,
              ,,, you go to my profile, there is an article "Operation Caesar"
  16. Astra wild
    Astra wild 17 September 2019 20: 14
    +1
    Quote: hohol95
    Who proved the fault of the Shch-213 crew?
    All allegations and charges have many inconsistencies.

    But not for the "professor", he had long decided that Shch-213 was to blame
  17. Tarasios
    Tarasios 20 September 2019 22: 32
    +1
    Served "life" for 6 years, cool, what to say