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In Kiev, announced their intention to connect the Black Sea with the Baltic

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The new Ukrainian government announced its intention to implement a large-scale project to connect the two seas. Kiev is considering options for laying a new waterway from the Black Sea to the Baltic. This was stated by Prime Minister of Ukraine Aleksey Goncharuk.


In Kiev, announced their intention to connect the Black Sea with the Baltic


The new prime minister, speaking at the Yalta European Strategy forum in Kiev, said that Ukraine has several ambitious projects, among which there is a project to connect the Black and Baltic Seas with a new waterway.

We have several ambitious infrastructure projects (...) We need to try to build and connect the Baltic and Black Seas by water. It is absolutely real. It is necessary to come to an agreement with Poland and Belarus, and in order to come to an agreement with them, it is necessary to build constructive relations. We already started to do it.

- said Goncharuk.

Reportedly, the question of creating a new navigable waterway connecting the Black and Baltic Seas is allegedly already being discussed at the level of experts and authorities of Ukraine, Belarus and Poland. This project is actively pushing Warsaw, as the bulk of the work will be on its territory. The option of creating a single shipping system of rivers and artificial canals that will connect the two seas is being considered. According to data provided by experts, the length of such a route will exceed 2 thousands of kilometers.
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  1. Azazelo
    Azazelo 14 September 2019 12: 25
    +33
    Are you going to dig a new one?

    Constructive relations with the possessed fascists are a priori impossible ...
    1. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 14 September 2019 12: 28
      +36
      Quote: Azazelo
      Are you going to dig a new one?

      Constructive relations with the possessed fascists are a priori impossible ...

      Shovel prices will soar, it's time to procure for the future, while cheap
      1. Vladimir16
        Vladimir16 14 September 2019 12: 40
        +28
        The guy is a wondrous mind.
        Civil war in the country, and he has a plan to connect two seas.

        Cheerful people now live in Ukraine.

        The purpose of being a Ukrainian is to abandon all Russian (language, culture, history, relatives, family) and connect the sea.

        Well done! laughing
        1. Nicholas C.
          Nicholas C. 14 September 2019 12: 51
          +55
          In Kiev, the bridge across the Dnieper can not be completed for decades, but here a large number of complex hydraulic structures ...
          Although in Ukraine it has long been like this: whoever brushes more beautifully is pan.
          1. artifact
            artifact 14 September 2019 13: 08
            +14
            Quote: Nikolay S.
            In Kiev, the bridge across the Dnieper can not be completed for decades, but here a large number of complex hydraulic structures ...
            Although in Ukraine it has long been like this: whoever brushes more beautifully is pan.

            what is there some kind of bridge !? it’s so shallow and not interesting for the country to dig up the whole Black Sea !!! ditch through the whole of Europe, or a wall on the border with the achressor wow, this is ambition! and to build bridges for such dwarf countries as Russia
            1. Shurik70
              Shurik70 14 September 2019 17: 23
              +3
              Theoretically - if you deepen Pripyat, configure gateways, connect the upper reaches of Pripyat with the Vistula - it is possible. In theory. BUT!
              1) - how much the joint annual budgets of Ukraine and Poland will cost - it's hard to even calculate. But they can’t build a simple fence at the border.
              2) - Pripyat is not too deep. Each lock will consume quite a lot of water. That is, the throughput of such a channel will be low.
          2. Nychego
            Nychego 14 September 2019 13: 26
            +6
            Quote: Nikolai S.
            In Kiev, the bridge across the Dnieper can not be completed for decades, but here a large number of complex hydraulic structures ...

            It’s absolutely impossible to drag foreign investors into the Kiev bridge, but you can try to stray the investor’s seas into this connection between the worlds, ugh!
            There is also a successful experience in Hochland: "Shelter-2" in Chernobyl, built with money from foreigners, obviously, I want to have something in the same spirit, but even "fleshy".
          3. major147
            major147 14 September 2019 15: 29
            +7
            Quote: Nikolai S.
            In Kiev, the bridge across the Dnieper can not be completed for decades, but here a large number of complex hydraulic structures ...

            They are finished. Not a long canal in the Smolensk region will remove all problems with the bridge and structures. They just won't be needed. The Dnieper near Kiev will be able to go into ford and spend pennies on hydraulic structures will not need to be spent.
            I am about the transfer of the waters of the Dnieper!
            1. 210ox
              210ox 14 September 2019 20: 47
              +2
              Where? Smolensk is my small homeland and I know what the Dnieper represents in the region and its tributaries. The most fully aquatic are located downstream in Belarus.
              1. MBRSS
                MBRSS 15 September 2019 14: 00
                0
                Well, yes, this is an even more ridiculous proposal than the Baltic-Black Sea Canal. If it affects the shallowing of the Dnieper, then it is completely negligible. Also in the media, this wildness is promoted.
              2. major147
                major147 15 September 2019 14: 05
                0
                Quote: 210ox
                Where to?

                There is such a plan. https://smart-lab.ru/blog/542468.php
          4. NKT
            NKT 14 September 2019 16: 04
            0
            Omelyan had already built Hyperlup, now you can connect the seas.
        2. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 14 September 2019 14: 35
          +4
          Quote: Vladimir16
          The guy is a wondrous mind.
          Civil war in the country, and he has a plan to connect two seas.
          Cheerful people now live in Ukraine.
          The purpose of being a Ukrainian is to abandon all Russian (language, culture, history, relatives, family) and connect the sea.
          Well done! laughing
          In vain you are so sweeping. And if you think about it.
          This project is actively pushing Warsaw, as the bulk of the work will be on its territory. The option of creating a unified shipping system from rivers and artificial canals is being considered,
          This water frontier can become insurmountable (and what happened?) For the tank hordes (balm on the heart) of Mardor.
          Yes, let them dig, we will not be lazy. We will need helicopter carriers to transfer the Black Sea Fleet-BF-SF-Pacific Pacific Fleet, because the width is 30 m, the depth is 8 m. We will give the ice floes to the stables. They then definitely will not dig, even for themselves, the slaves of the slaves will hire. feel
        3. Alex20042004
          Alex20042004 14 September 2019 17: 37
          0
          They dug up the Black Sea and connect the seas!
        4. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 14 September 2019 17: 57
          +3
          Quote: Vladimir16
          The guy is a wondrous mind.
          Civil war in the country, and he has a plan to connect two seas.

          The gene for the shrew has been sitting tightly since the time of digging the Black Sea and dumping the Caucasus Mountains with seized soil.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 14 September 2019 12: 41
        +3
        I’ll arrange for such a production of titanium shovels - to dig more confidently.
      3. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 14 September 2019 13: 08
        +7
        Quote: Vol4ara
        Shovel prices will soar, it's time to procure for the future, while cheap

        The Chinese will quickly establish mass production of shovels and provide Ukraine with a "trench tool" (The term "trench tool" comes from the German "trench" - "trench, trench." A set of special construction tools was available even in ancient armies).
      4. Dietmar
        Dietmar 14 September 2019 16: 55
        0
        Where did they get the money to buy shovels? They will use the technology of the ancients to dig their hands and haul the land on oxen for the construction of the European shaft.
        Although, maybe I'm wrong, because the ancient Ukrainians probably invented the shovel.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 14 September 2019 18: 46
          0
          How come - GDP 370 billion, if that helps the EU.
          1. Dietmar
            Dietmar 14 September 2019 20: 05
            0
            It’s you, old man, bent.

            [media = https: //www.nastroy.net/pic/images/post/214368-1529755218.jpg]
    2. Destiny
      Destiny 14 September 2019 12: 30
      +2
      Quote: Azazelo
      Are you going to dig a new one?

      They will dig the "Black Sea-Baltic" channel. laughing
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 14 September 2019 13: 26
        +6
        Quote: Destiny
        Quote: Azazelo
        Are you going to dig a new one?

        They will dig the "Black Sea-Baltic" channel. laughing

        Well, suppose Volgobalt and Volga-Don have long existed. Let them dig if the navel does not untie. As with that wall to them. Yatsenyuk. 300 meters netting for 4 billion hryvnia set and calmed down.
        1. major147
          major147 14 September 2019 16: 35
          +9
          Quote: Piramidon
          Let dig

          Yes you shooo !? This is not a gentleman’s business! That dream, yes!
      2. 210ox
        210ox 14 September 2019 13: 28
        +9
        By the way, this path already exists. Even two. The Volga is the Baltic system with us and the Danube-Rhine in the EU. However, they were going to cut off the Crimea with a canal. And there are only a few kilometers .. But alas. Yes, and about this project to them. Manilova. This should be done by Belarusians first. It is necessary to connect Pripyat and the Vistula. To modernize the Augustow Canal, or rather to completely dig out a new one.
        1. Avis-bis
          Avis-bis 14 September 2019 13: 52
          +4
          Quote: 210ox
          By the way, this path already exists. Even two.

          Three. "Royal Channel" aka "Dnepro-Bugsky".


          But in two areas it is not navigable and both are in Belarus.
        2. Piramidon
          Piramidon 14 September 2019 13: 53
          +4
          Quote: 210ox
          This should be done by Belarusians first. It is necessary to connect Pripyat and the Vistula. To modernize the Augustow Canal, or rather to completely dig out a new one.

          Who are you going to reason with? All your calculations are correct, but they are for civilized people, and not for the ancient Sumerians.
          This was stated by Prime Minister of Ukraine Aleksey Goncharuk.

          The glory and money of Yatsenyuk give him no peace. I decided to try.
          1. 210ox
            210ox 14 September 2019 13: 55
            +5
            I-reason !? God forbid. I am not the lord of haloperidol ..... laughing
    3. svp67
      svp67 14 September 2019 12: 32
      +3
      Quote: Azazelo
      Are you going to dig a new one?

      It's easier to build "Hyperloop"
      1. 210ox
        210ox 14 September 2019 13: 51
        +2
        I understand that they already have it. Since they quickly jump from one delirium to another .. In short, I am not a psychiatrist, but this is definitely a diagnosis. How are they doing with space exploration?
        1. Avis-bis
          Avis-bis 14 September 2019 14: 33
          0
          Quote: 210ox
          How are they doing with space exploration?

          Conquered for a long time: a certain Kadenyuk flew 19 November-05 December 1997 on the “Columbia”. I performed some muddy (in any case, I did not find any intelligible information) experiments of some sort of "Institute for Human System Research" on the topic "Man and the state of weightlessness" long sucked on "Salutes" and "World".
          And - arrogance is the second happiness -
          According to Russian media reports, the flight fee was symbolic - $ 87

          For such a middle-class business jet, you can fly only to Southeast Asia and vice versa.
          According to rumors from sources close to informed, now they are building a space elevator to the GSO.
          1. Maverick78
            Maverick78 14 September 2019 16: 27
            +3
            Don’t crumble the loaf on Kadenyuk. When some kind of Svidomo refuge suggested moving the cosmonautics day to the day of Kadenyuk’s flight, he categorically opposed it.
    4. Terenin
      Terenin 14 September 2019 12: 32
      +4
      Quote: Azazelo
      Are you going to dig a new one?
      Constructive relations with the possessed fascists are a priori impossible ...

      Well done! wink SchA start to beg for money yes . And who knows what’s there with a moat in front of Russia, for which Europe allocated money to them?
      1. SeregaBoss
        SeregaBoss 14 September 2019 12: 41
        +6
        All the money flowed into the rabbit hole. There will be no moat, there will be a channel.
      2. Nikolai Petrov
        Nikolai Petrov 14 September 2019 12: 43
        +5
        Quote: Terenin
        And who knows what’s there with a moat in front of Russia, for which Europe allocated money to them?

        All is normal with a moat. Frogs happy
    5. Svarog
      Svarog 14 September 2019 12: 35
      -2
      Quote: Azazelo
      Are you going to dig a new one?

      So they dug up the Black Sea .. nothing surprising.
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 14 September 2019 14: 00
        +3
        Quote: Svarog
        Quote: Azazelo
        Are you going to dig a new one?

        So they dug up the Black Sea .. nothing surprising.

        The wrong Sumer went. It used to be ancient yukrops - descendants of aliens from Alpha Centauri.
        1. Avis-bis
          Avis-bis 14 September 2019 14: 35
          0
          Quote: Piramidon
          ancient ykrops are descendants of aliens from Alpha Centauri.

          Ancestors. I am ashamed not to know.
      2. Mic1969
        Mic1969 15 September 2019 14: 10
        +1
        Yeah. The wrong one went ukruinits, chopped. I used to dig the sea, but now ...
    6. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
      SERGEY SERGEEVICS 14 September 2019 12: 37
      +2
      Quote: Azazelo
      Are you going to dig a new one?

      Constructive relations with the possessed fascists are a priori impossible ...

      What they can do in the country is not within their power to implement such a large-scale project. The same as with the wall on the border, another pretext for money laundering.
      1. Aqr009
        Aqr009 14 September 2019 14: 08
        0
        To dig a simple business, now the technique is such that it can continuously, round the clock dig, only add fuel in time.
        Another thing to support it will be much more expensive. Over such an extent, it will cost a pretty penny.
        But are they sure that this channel will be loaded enough? The Bosphorus is already at the limit, Suez too.
        It will grow with them No.
        1. Avis-bis
          Avis-bis 14 September 2019 14: 36
          0
          Quote: Aqr009

          But are they sure that this channel will be loaded enough?

          If you turn on the mini-Manilov for a minute, then ... Well, in theory, they can carry Baku oil from Georgian terminals by river-sea tankers. :)
    7. Ilya-spb
      Ilya-spb 14 September 2019 13: 13
      +3
      Well, a canal is easier to dig than a whole sea.

      Channel named Kolomoisky?
    8. NEXUS
      NEXUS 14 September 2019 17: 53
      0
      Quote: Azazelo
      Are you going to dig a new one?

      Not ... they dug two, not counting the oceans and rivers, but now they want to connect. It’s hard for them to complete the 3 kilometer-long bridge, and digging channels and the seas to dig up a trifling matter for them ... yeah. fellow
    9. yang174
      yang174 14 September 2019 19: 02
      0
      sho dig again? who dig? * .... outfit at the winery, who? yayayaya! * laughing
      VO made my day laughing
    10. Evil echo
      Evil echo 14 September 2019 19: 36
      0
      They do not have to dig, but they definitely want to pour mountains.
    11. zenion
      zenion 15 September 2019 14: 05
      0
      Very easy. The Black Sea was dug by Ukraine, the Baltic Sea was dug by the Balts. Need to find where it is the sea. Put a ruler on top and connect these seas with a pencil.
    12. smart ass
      smart ass 15 September 2019 19: 43
      0
      Well done fellows completed the fence and began to channel !!!
  2. Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 14 September 2019 12: 25
    +7
    And I accidentally thought that their Poles bought .... laughing
  3. Tersky
    Tersky 14 September 2019 12: 25
    +9
    We need to try to build and connect the Baltic and Black Seas by water. It is absolutely real.
    winked About how many wonderful discoveries we have ..... The country of Oz did not stand nearby. What is not a statesman is a wizard. And although I’ve dug out the sea about it, they poured mountains, they built a wall, so they canal like two fingers ...
    1. Julius Caesar
      Julius Caesar 14 September 2019 13: 34
      0
      Jesus said unto them, By your unbelief; for verily I say unto you, if you have faith with a mustard seed and say to this grief: "go from here to there," and it will pass; and nothing will be impossible for you. (C), Matthew 17:19
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 14 September 2019 17: 54
      +1
      Quote: Tersky
      About how many wonderful discoveries we have ..... The country of Oz did not stand nearby. What is not a statesman is a wizard. And although I’ve dug out the sea about it, they poured mountains, they built a wall, so they canal like two fingers ...

      Hello, friend. hi Do you remember how in the Caucasian captive-And what, and the ruins, too, I? wassat
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 14 September 2019 18: 04
        +3
        Quote: NEXUS
        Hello, friend.

        And good health to you, Andrey! hi
        Quote: NEXUS
        Do you remember how in the Caucasian captive-And what, and the ruins, too, I?

        For me, the state of Ukraine is more like a fairy tale about a fisherman and a fish. Starting from Yushch, they strove for a trough and they reached it, only with the difference that it was not only empty, but also dried up.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 14 September 2019 18: 06
          +1
          Quote: Tersky
          For me, the state of Ukraine is more like a fairy tale about a fisherman and a fish. Starting from Yushch, they strove for a trough and they reached it, only with the difference that it was not only empty, but also dried up.

          Not to the trough, Vitya, but to the toilet ... do you feel the difference?
          1. Tersky
            Tersky 14 September 2019 18: 08
            +2
            Quote: NEXUS
            and to the toilet ... do you feel the difference?

            Is this for the Yanyka toilet in Mezhgorye? So it’s kind of like gold .... WAS laughing Well, if closer to the topic, as they say, they survived: And here the Czech Republic gave a voice. How will we divide Ukraine? https://zen.yandex.ru/media/sochivideo/a-vot-i-chehiia-podala-goloskak-budem-delit-ukrainu-5d7a7fde8c5be800af0a9ac9 Не видать соседям ни корыта, ни унитаза.
  4. gabonskijfront
    gabonskijfront 14 September 2019 12: 26
    +2
    Let them start, and then we'll see who has competitive advantages in the north-south direction. Everyone wants to saddle transit flows, but not everyone can handle it.
  5. Nycomed
    Nycomed 14 September 2019 12: 26
    +1
    Nothing changes in "independent". Or maybe they dug the Baltic too? Well, then it is clear: the "historical bond" must be implemented. I would like to hear the opinion of the Old Man.
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 14 September 2019 12: 33
      +1
      The new Ukrainian government announced its intention to implement a large-scale project to connect the two seas. Kiev is considering options for laying a new waterway from the Black Sea to the Baltic.

      And I kept thinking on what the new government of Ukraine will cut, instead of the closing ATO shop? Under the guise of a demonstration of violent activity, they will drink money on an unnecessary construction site. Have they decided to dig up Belarus? Or is the Polish version embodied from sea to sea?
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 14 September 2019 12: 39
      +2
      This self-settling is called a skid. Gas and coal for the winter are dumb - but the super-channel project is above all.
      1. poquello
        poquello 14 September 2019 12: 50
        +2
        Quote: Vadim237
        Gas and coal for the winter are dumb - but the super-channel project is above all.

        who works - does not freeze
        1. Sky strike fighter
          Sky strike fighter 14 September 2019 12: 59
          +2
          To whom it will be cold shovel in hands and forward to the Baltic, at the same time they will warm up. Here I understand the approach, such a voluntary-compulsory GULAG.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 14 September 2019 13: 15
            +2
            BanderenGULAG and Gorilka play a million cubic meters of euryday.
    3. Dym71
      Dym71 14 September 2019 13: 02
      +2
      Quote: Nycomed
      Opinion Old Man would like to hear.

      Father for any kipish, except for a hunger strike.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 14 September 2019 13: 28
        +2
        Old Man for any potato - except for frostbite production.
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 14 September 2019 12: 27
    +6
    This is normal. In Russia, you can go through the internal routes to the Black, and the Baltic, and even to the White or the Caspian ...
    But on the territory of Poland? Now I will look at the map ...
    With us - you can !!! Generally! Up to 5000 tons of vessel. Not marine, of course. And who and how will sail through Belarus and Poland?
    1. Nycomed
      Nycomed 14 September 2019 12: 41
      +1
      Moscow is the port of five seas! good
    2. den3080
      den3080 14 September 2019 13: 05
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      This is normal. In Russia, you can go through the internal routes to the Black, and the Baltic, and even to the White or the Caspian ...
      But on the territory of Poland? Now I will look at the map ...
      With us - you can !!! Generally! Up to 5000 tons of vessel. Not marine, of course. And who and how will sail through Belarus and Poland?

      Cossacks in chovna, back and forth, back and forth
      "Choven - more small, call on the boat, oar, boat, motor boat, designated for fishing on rivers, lakes and coastal sea waters"
    3. Tersky
      Tersky 14 September 2019 13: 05
      +4
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      And who and how will sail through Belarus and Poland?

      laughing Ask a question more specifically - no one, but what, and the answer will not be long in coming. Our to you hi
    4. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 14 September 2019 13: 22
      -3
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      In Russia, you can go through the internal routes to both Black and Baltic

      Well, how much can you write that on the Volga near Gorodets, the depth is 80cm - therefore it is impossible to pass! - discharge from the dam gives another 80cm .... Now look at the draft of ships and warships !!
    5. nesvobodnaja
      nesvobodnaja 14 September 2019 13: 42
      -1
      Then the "submarine in the steppes of Ukraine" will certainly come true. )
  7. Xenofont
    Xenofont 14 September 2019 12: 27
    +4
    Well, instead of javelins, tapericha need to buy shovels and pickaxes! The memory of the ancestors is alive and in the hands of the usual itch.
  8. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 14 September 2019 12: 27
    +7
    I'm all for it ! They dug up the Black Sea, and only to dig to the Baltic - like two fingers on the asphalt! wassat
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 14 September 2019 12: 40
      +3
      But what about the gas and oil pipelines passing through the territories of possible excavations, railway and road routes of communication between the countries? In my opinion, they thought up some sort of nonsense, something like the wall of Yatsenyuk. Clowns.
  9. K-50
    K-50 14 September 2019 12: 31
    +3
    The new prime minister, speaking at the Yalta European Strategy forum in Kiev, said that Ukraine has several ambitious projects, among which there is a project to connect the Black and Baltic Seas with a new waterway.

    You can do a lot, but you simply do not have money, and the West will not give, because it will not be able to control and, therefore, receive dividends. lol
  10. Sniper
    Sniper 14 September 2019 12: 33
    +4
    this is their new national idea .. just an idea, and nothing personal)
  11. Popov Konstantin Ivanovich
    Popov Konstantin Ivanovich 14 September 2019 12: 35
    +1
    Shovels in your hands morons sad blot corn on your palms using wooden f ...... imitatorsshovel shafts. How do you masturbate wassat , then will you conquer Russia? And after that, to work in Europe? You can’t hold anything round and long in your hands request . Descendants of Ukropetekov unfinished. And where will you pour new mountains? What if a new mountainous section of civilization is erected from Usraina there? requestWhy the bald dyudel do you need it at all fool
  12. Vadim237
    Vadim237 14 September 2019 12: 35
    +3
    It's time to open the heading "Weekend Shiz"
    1. Popov Konstantin Ivanovich
      Popov Konstantin Ivanovich 14 September 2019 12: 51
      +2
      I earlier suggested opening a section of humor / delirium
  13. Cat man null
    Cat man null 14 September 2019 12: 36
    +5
    Quote: Article
    Ukrainian government announced its intention to implement a large-scale project to connect the two seas

    Well, they already built a fence ...
  14. Catfish
    Catfish 14 September 2019 12: 37
    +3
    I read the headline and thought it was an editorial joke. It turned out - seriously. Well, what is there to talk about ... Poles generally like to dream, and even more so about Poland "from sea to sea". If they ever dig something up, which I doubt very much, then we can safely say that "a dream come true and d and o t a".
  15. Amateur
    Amateur 14 September 2019 12: 39
    0
    It is necessary to agree with Poland and Belarus,

    If through Belarus - then closer through the Triebalt, still they are much more allies to Bandera than the Poles.
    But you can also directly from Kyiv to Lemberg and then to Lublin and Warsaw drinks
  16. maidan.izrailovich
    maidan.izrailovich 14 September 2019 12: 40
    +1
    The topic of dripping is relevant today? lol
    If there is nothing to draw attention to yourself, then any crazy idea will do. crying
  17. Mikhail Malakhov
    Mikhail Malakhov 14 September 2019 12: 41
    -4
    How much poison and bile in the comments ..
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 14 September 2019 12: 52
      +1
      With such problems as it is now in Ukraine - to declare such projects is the height of political idiocy.
      1. Mikhail Malakhov
        Mikhail Malakhov 14 September 2019 12: 55
        -8
        What problems do they have now?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 14 September 2019 13: 12
          +2
          Belarus closed the border - the supply of smuggled weapons grows every year, the EU refused to supply Ukrainian-made vegetables. already almost developed
          nuclear power plants continue to transfer their resources to convert the latter to American fuel. Debts to the IMF and the EU are getting higher - and you need to give them back. The war in the Donbass has taken on the situation in the Gaza Strip - Well, since there are no problems at all, everything blooms and smells in Ukraine.
          1. Tiksi-3
            Tiksi-3 14 September 2019 13: 25
            -2
            Quote: Vadim237
            gas reserves


            So Opal was covered by 50% - in the end we will drive gas through the outskirts = regular theft and they are with gas ((
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 14 September 2019 13: 31
              0
              As a result, there is no gas supply and transit agreement with Naftogaz.
              1. Tiksi-3
                Tiksi-3 14 September 2019 14: 00
                -3
                Quote: Vadim237
                I don’t have any contract with Naftogaz for the supply and transit of gas.

                don’t tell people - Gazprom has 2 months to appeal, and then there will be an agreement both in Gazprom and in the government, so we blew this round!
            2. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 14 September 2019 13: 42
              +2
              How many opal did you pump? 36 yards a year. returned to the old scheme 12.8 per year, and before that it was +10 which were canceled. SP 1 downloaded about 60 in my opinion. What will we drive through Ukraine there? GAZPROM has already said that this will not affect their position on gas transit and they are not going to conclude long-term contracts with Ukraine. Ukraine is so vain with the psheks so happy. because of their games and gas prices will jump up and answer them for such tricks very painfully.
              1. Tiksi-3
                Tiksi-3 14 September 2019 14: 03
                -2
                Quote: carstorm 11
                Ukraine is very vain with pshek so happy


                they celebrate their first victory in the Russian Federation ... ..for them it is a blessing, we’ll see how Gazprom behaves in 2 months .... -50% has already fallen, ... .SP-2 is most likely the same ... .. our deer in Gazprom plan B never came up - this suggests their complete failure
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 14 September 2019 14: 40
                  -3
                  minus 10 yards in total. they downloaded 12.8 on it and in 2016 allowed another 10 to redeem. and now rolled it back. and negotiations begin after 5 days. You won’t have to wait so long.
                2. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 14 September 2019 14: 40
                  0
                  JV 2 already has 76% - so there will be no contracts in two months.
                  1. Tiksi-3
                    Tiksi-3 14 September 2019 15: 19
                    0
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    JV 2 already has 76% - so there will be no contracts in two months

                    belay laughing I'm talking about pumping gas (volume), and not about its readiness !!! SP-2 expects the same as OPAL
                    1. carstorm 11
                      carstorm 11 14 September 2019 15: 56
                      -1
                      from this who will become worse? when will the price rise due to gas shortages?
                      1. Tiksi-3
                        Tiksi-3 14 September 2019 17: 55
                        0
                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        when will the price rise due to gas shortages?

                        it wasn’t about that, you left the topic
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        Opal will not decide anything - Nord Stream 2 will be launched to the maximum
                        no, it won’t be in full .... only if the gas is 50% non-Gazprom .... are you in the subject?
                      2. 210ox
                        210ox 15 September 2019 14: 30
                        -1
                        Yes, let it not be Gazprom .. No one canceled the horns and hooves (company) for pumping gas .. However, you are right. Lazhanulis and bashfully shy now. This is me to the quality of management and forward planning.
                    2. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 14 September 2019 15: 58
                      0
                      Opal will not decide anything - Nord Stream 2 will be launched to the maximum; gas will go to the maximum through Belarus at the same time; LNG deliveries from Yamal will be added to them - at the Shah and Mat exit to the Ukrainian transit through which 3 billion cubic meters of gas a year will go. And in five years, supplies from the Arctic LNG will be added to all this - and Ukrainian transit will completely die out.
                      1. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 14 September 2019 16: 13
                        0
                        I forgot to add more Baltic LNG in the 2024th plan to reach a capacity of 15 million tons of LNG.
        2. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 14 September 2019 13: 13
          +1
          how would I explain ... when a country is in debt just to offer such a thing, this is already a complete misunderstanding. why do this? for what? invest in other than words. This is a series of participation in the lunar program. raising the profile of a topic that cannot be implemented. pyramid if you want. financial.
    2. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 14 September 2019 13: 03
      0
      Quote: Mikhail Malakhov
      How much poison and bile in the comments ..

      Inject yourself the antidote, otherwise you will be poisoned by the comments.
    3. AUL
      AUL 14 September 2019 13: 18
      0
      Quote: Mikhail Malakhov
      How much poison and bile in the comments ..

      No, this is such sparkling humor! Children of Petrosyan ...
  18. Den717
    Den717 14 September 2019 12: 42
    0
    The project is truly ambitious. But besides just "agreeing", we need a fairly large-scale funding. Given that not only Ukraine, where money is not very good, but even more Belarus, whose economy has not galloped far from Ukraine. There are a lot of environmental problems, especially in Belarus. Accordingly, we also need to understand whether this project is profitable for Russia, and push our interests through its solution. Of this trinity, we communicate only with Belarusians, the rest are outright enemies for the near foreseeable future, so any positive decision for them will be harmful to us.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 14 September 2019 12: 56
      +2
      The project is super expensive and unpromising, since there is nothing and nobody to carry along this channel.
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 14 September 2019 13: 19
      +2
      ambitious by what criteria? what will it give economically? in my humble opinion, there is nothing at all. I just don’t understand what flows to fill in to the amount that would at least pay back this initiative.
      1. Den717
        Den717 14 September 2019 22: 35
        0
        Quote: carstorm 11
        I just don’t understand what flows to fill in to the amount that would at least pay back this initiative.

        Well, probably because the project is supported by the Poles, not you. Perhaps the Poles with Belarusians know why they need this way. If we do not know the trade between Poland and southern Europe or Africa, for example, this does not mean that it does not exist. The question is, how harmful is this to us? For some reason, I think that in this trinity there are also people involved in the economy. If they see the point in this route, then they have some calculated reasons for this, possibly unknown to us.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 15 September 2019 09: 43
          -1
          They can support whatever projects they want - everything depends on money - big money that neither Poland nor Belarus has, like Ukraine.
  19. Ural-4320
    Ural-4320 14 September 2019 12: 48
    +2
    Well, by the way, nothing new. On the territory of the Kaliningrad region and in Poland, a system of canals and locks remained, which provided passage from the Baltic to the Black Sea. But they do not work for us from the word at all.
    I won’t bring my own photos of the gateway (I need to look in the archive), but the traveler’s link and his photo are easy.
    https://www.google.ru/amp/s/pikabu.ru/story/starinnyie_nemetskie_shlyuzyi_i_mazurskiy_kanal_po_kaliningradskoy_oblasti_chast_7_3963953%3fview=amp
    The view on the gateways is spectacular! And the most visible gateway on the route from the border with Lithuania to Kaliningrad is located near the village of Talpaki. There are awesome pasties do.
    1. thinker
      thinker 14 September 2019 13: 59
      0
      Thanks, read, looked. This is nothing new for sure, only from Kherson they write differently -
      Arguments, arguments, calculations of various subcommissions, commissions and committees in favor of construction Kherson – Riga Canal were so convincing that in 1912 year The State Duma of Russia included it in the financing plan for design and survey work. By the beginning of 1914, the Kherson – Riga water corridor project was 70% complete. However, as a result of subsequent events - the First World War and the October Revolution - all work was curtailed, and their results were archived.

      http://mycity.kherson.ua/avtory-ag/skorohod/v-koridor.html
  20. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 14 September 2019 12: 49
    +2
    Forgive them lord children
    your unreasonable ones, they don’t know that they’re echoing, and they think
  21. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 14 September 2019 12: 56
    +2
    But it seems normal ... Although after a scooter, doubts crept in in the office ..
  22. AU Ivanov.
    AU Ivanov. 14 September 2019 12: 57
    +1
    Hemp in Ukraine has become ugly.
    1. Avis-bis
      Avis-bis 14 September 2019 13: 45
      0
      Quote: AU Ivanov.
      Hemp in Ukraine has become ugly.

      The funny thing is that everything already exists: it was built by the Poles and Lithuanians in the XNUMXth century (see "Royal Canal"), developed by the USSR in the XNUMXth ("Dnepro-Bugsky Canal"). But now the canal is not navigable in two places: shallow in one section and blocked by a dam in Brest. But everything can be restored for a penny. And the rest is to plunder. :)
  23. Rusfaner
    Rusfaner 14 September 2019 13: 01
    +1
    Finally!!!
    The nation that dug up the Black Sea is one left !!!
  24. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 14 September 2019 13: 02
    +1
    We have several ambitious infrastructure projects (...) We need to try to build and connect the Baltic and Black Seas by water. It is absolutely real.
    Actually, we have already heard somewhere "From can, to can", but maybe it will happen "to make a fairy tale come true." After all, the ancient Ukrainians dug the Black Sea by hand, and here is the age of technology. There are doubts about the truth on this score, if you look at the wall and a ditch with a thorn and checkpoints on the border with Russia, then we can say with confidence that the new government in / in Ukraine is also trying to "squeeze" dollars from the new all-Ukrainian and worldwide construction. My congratulations on a great undertaking, shovel in hand and go!
  25. KCA
    KCA 14 September 2019 13: 04
    0
    Kiev - the port of ten seas? Moscow is only five, it is necessary to overtake
    1. Avis-bis
      Avis-bis 14 September 2019 13: 28
      0
      Quote: KCA
      Kiev - the port of ten seas?

      World Ocean.
  26. TAMBU
    TAMBU 14 September 2019 13: 04
    0
    What? phahahaha)) And most importantly why?
  27. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 14 September 2019 13: 05
    +1
    Oh how! But Psaki predicted such an opportunity even when she stated that the United States would send a fleet to the shores of Belarus if it attacked Ukraine.
  28. Zaval
    Zaval 14 September 2019 13: 07
    +5
    ... did not grow wiser, probably this is a clinic. Geography at school probably started on a cigarette.
  29. Avis-bis
    Avis-bis 14 September 2019 13: 16
    +1
    in order to agree with them, it is necessary to build constructive relations.

    That is, now in the relations of Ukraine with Poland and Belarus a complete destructive rule reigns?

    And, in general, "charming":
    "A new way from the Varangians to the Greeks! We were the first!"
    "Give de-Sovietization of Soviet totalitarian megaprojects !!! We invented everything ourselves!"
    "Ukraine is Slavic France, and the French did connect the Mediterranean with the Atlantic! But we are cooler. Because - glory to the heroes!"
    And so forth ...

    That's just interesting - from what to fill the Belarusian part of the hypothetical channel? Dnieper will not go back? Will there be enough water for agriculture in the new water transport superpower?
  30. rocket757
    rocket757 14 September 2019 13: 16
    +1
    The minister is new, dope ..... she seems to be eternal.
    Theoretically, everything is possible, ditches more and more to dig ..... it looks like they have no peace of mind, the "exploits" of the ancients do not give a prick, or the case, the affairs of the "Ukrainian-hare". How he dug a ditch, built a wall! I dug into the villa and not a poor life, set it up, for myself, of course!
  31. donavi49
    donavi49 14 September 2019 13: 17
    +1
    Well, the project is excellent on the fingers. Send ship with some thread Samsun or Varna in a thread of Turku or Stockholm = almost 9000km = two weeks of travel + passage of a pile of straits. If you come out to use the river + dig channels and make gateways the distance will be ~ 3000km.

    HOWEVER there is a mass but:
    - will it be faster? You can just stand the same two weeks in traffic jams and what's the use? If the product reaches the final port at the same time, and the carrier pays the same two weeks of freight?

    - What is the type of vessels allowed? Will the Volga-Don fit in? In general, what will be the restrictions on ships? Isn't it cheaper to charter a large ship right to the final destination, say, 15-20 thousand tons of cargo. How to push 4 = five thousandth?

    - How much will it cost to go through this system?

    Well these are just the basic questions. If you dig further, there will be a lot more.
    1. vladcub
      vladcub 14 September 2019 14: 31
      -1
      donavi,: "Will the Volgo-Don fit in", they are going to build bypassing Russia, and you are talking about the Volga-Don Canal "
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 14 September 2019 15: 59
        +1
        Volgo-Don or Volgomax = this is a class of ships, that is, a maximum that interferes with the system.
    2. vladcub
      vladcub 17 September 2019 16: 53
      +1
      "push through 4 = five-thousanders", but on these "five-thousanders" you can load 50 tons of ambitions, and political ambitions are expensive
  32. senima56
    senima56 14 September 2019 13: 27
    0
    "This project is actively promoted by Warsaw ..." and the dream "Polska from Mozha to Mozha!" lol
  33. Schilda
    Schilda 14 September 2019 13: 28
    0
    And they will take the money according to the scheme. Help as much as you can, otherwise the oaths of Muscovites so oppress us so oppress us.
  34. Pavel57
    Pavel57 14 September 2019 13: 29
    -1
    Will icebreakers provide navigation in winter?
  35. Nychego
    Nychego 14 September 2019 13: 34
    -1
    Probably, someone will be able to sell this lot now:
    https://auction.ru/offer/proekt_soedinenija_chernogo_morja_s_baltijskim_1787-i5496363223.html#8
  36. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 14 September 2019 13: 41
    -1
    Well damn clowns, diggers, hahahah laughing

    It's funny, my wife is a geographer, she says that this "premier" is down with mouse poop in the skull))
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 14 September 2019 13: 47
      +1
      So a bad geographer. Without regard to this project, Goncharuk. In general, everything has been worked out since the 18 century, and the idea would have been realized if Katka the Great had lasted ten years.


      1. Nychego
        Nychego 14 September 2019 14: 49
        0
        Quote: donavi49
        and the idea would be realized if Katka the Great ten years still held out.

        Alas, with that level of construction equipment and organization of construction work, even this water thread with wooden turrets and troughs was not very real, although, of course, it was more real than the Petropervsk Volgodon.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 14 September 2019 16: 02
          -1
          Well, the main thing there is to start. If they started, then they did something. Then the empress’s mother’s initiative would have been continued by others, and so by 1900 they would have already started something. In Khrushchev-Brezhnev time expanded. And today it would work.
          1. Nychego
            Nychego 14 September 2019 16: 12
            -1
            Alas, it would hardly have overpowered the dam of the functional analogue of the Tsimlyansk reservoir, and most importantly, a zilch could have come out with this reservoir - it would not have been filled, because there is not enough runoff from the catchment and soils could allow infiltration into aquifers exceeding the runoff when filling the bowl. I don’t know how to solve this problem now (if a subj project is implemented). There are options that weren’t close then.
      2. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 14 September 2019 16: 10
        0
        We are talking about the MARINE STRAIGHT. And these projects of the 18th century are utopia.

        Purely theoretically, you can dig a channel from Kazakhstan to India, but who needs it?

        Anyway, this project smacks of insanity.

        And my wife is an excellent geographer, and laughed at your ridiculous conclusions.
  37. old_pferd
    old_pferd 14 September 2019 13: 42
    -1
    Why, the Dnieper-Bug channel is not satisfied? There, the problem is only in psheks, from Brest to Warsaw the canal is practically impassable.
  38. Vadim237
    Vadim237 14 September 2019 13: 42
    0
    "In Kiev, they announced their intention to connect the Black Sea with the Baltic Sea" - At the same time, the chief psychotherapist of Ukraine said that the Rada deputies would begin to be treated with the use of intensive electroshock therapy.
  39. maden.usmanow
    maden.usmanow 14 September 2019 13: 44
    -1
    Today, only the Chinese or Americans can dig such a channel.
  40. demo
    demo 14 September 2019 14: 08
    -1
    Well damn it!
    When the noise cancelers are quiet down and start thinking not about how to steal money, but how to solve their internal problems.
    Only the Bandera name channel was missing.
  41. PPD
    PPD 14 September 2019 14: 12
    +1
    The guys dug the Black Sea, and then some kind of canal.
    Ugh nonsense. wink
    1. bondrostov
      bondrostov 14 September 2019 22: 02
      -1
      Better right away. Let the underground passage in Washington named after Zarobodchanin drip. wassat
  42. ugol2
    ugol2 14 September 2019 14: 13
    +5
    The more delusional, the better.
    It is necessary to dig a channel to China, bypassing Russia.
  43. vladcub
    vladcub 14 September 2019 14: 23
    0
    It will be a huge budget cut. Our officials have to strangle ourselves with envy.
    I’m trying to imagine this construction site without jokes as far as possible, but I have a lack of imagination
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 14 September 2019 14: 45
      0
      "This will be a grandiose cut of the budget" - In which there is no money anyway.
  44. NF68
    NF68 14 September 2019 14: 35
    0
    Another poor fellow escaped from a madhouse. They were checked before appointments to positions, at least for sanity.
  45. Artunis
    Artunis 14 September 2019 14: 49
    +1
    In addition to GY-GY-GY, there is nothing to say, just NewVasyuki-Cassiopeia!
  46. Aliken
    Aliken 14 September 2019 15: 07
    0
    Wimps, dig from the Baltic to the Indian Ocean. Outrun the Russian NSR.
  47. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 14 September 2019 15: 37
    +1
    Well, let's dig a canal from the Black to the Baltic Sea, only what good is it for Ukraine?

    It’s more profitable for Belarus, since this country now has no access to the sea, but if you dig channels, you can ship goods by sea and send and receive for Belarus, and Poland and Ukraine already have such an opportunity.

    Has anyone at least thought it was worth its value? And it may turn out that this idea is simply not economically justified, they will spend a lot of money and all in vain.

    Some strange idea.

    For Ukraine, there are a bunch of other options for how to usefully spend money, which is already missing, all in loans by the ears.
  48. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 14 September 2019 15: 56
    0
    Skakuasam digging is not the first time. They dug the Black Sea, and now they will dig the Panske More on the site of Poland. laughing And in general, they will separate the geyrope from the "ahrEssive Russia" by a water "partition" not already the English Channel laughing
  49. Rwmos
    Rwmos 14 September 2019 16: 06
    0
    ... and the floor - with a ceiling, which Khrushchev failed.
    Nobody understands how much money is needed for this, and that Lohlov has no money from the word at all, since they already sell their own lands
    1. Pontelimon 5230
      Pontelimon 5230 14 September 2019 16: 28
      0
      Europe will help them, at the expense of Russia. Ukraine will file another lawsuit against Gazprom for 30 negligible lards, and the most "fair" court will support them.
      1. Rwmos
        Rwmos 14 September 2019 16: 32
        +1
        Yeah, only. as in the previous case, Swiss bailiffs will take the money for themselves, and ukr will get a bonus from the country's budget for effective managers of Naftogaz.
        Not to mention that. that the channel will gobble up all kinds of money more than even in theory it can be shaken from Naftogaz. Panama over the canal, not long. virtually the whole country was sold by the USA ...
  50. Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 14 September 2019 16: 26
    +2
    It remains to find a madman who would finance this "project"!