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In Poland, openly called a possible contract for F-35 "propaganda decision"

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In the “Weekend Fiction” section, we present material on the sharp change of mood in Poland regarding the idea of ​​acquiring F-35 and the Polish assessment of the changes that have taken place in the army of this country over the past 30 years.


In Poland, openly called a possible contract for F-35 "propaganda decision"


On the eve of VO published materialin which it was reported that in Poland they suddenly wondered: is it worth buying the 32 F-35 fighter from the United States. The cost of fighters and engines for Warsaw will be about 6,53 billion dollars. Today, the Polish media publish a continuation of this topic with reference to the report of the Institute of Bronislaw Komorowski.

Here is the material regarding the statements of the Polish leadership:

We don’t even know exactly at what price, what the contract will be, we don’t know what opportunities it gives us. All this is a political and propaganda decision.

It is noted that Poland has become a part of NATO, has seriously reformatted its army in recent years, at the legislative level ensures the implementation of the NATO charter, without reducing spending on the military sector by less than 2% of GDP. Moreover, according to Komorowski, all this is definitely not a reason to spend billions of dollars on concluding dubious transactions, even if these transactions are offered by the strategic partner of Poland - the United States.

In the same report, the period of the Ministry of Defense Anthony Matserevich was sharply criticized. In particular, it is said that Matserevich "abused power while in the post of minister." Thus, it is indicated how Matserevich initiated “public control of the army”, and the authorities went on to expand such control to representatives of special services.

From the material:

It got to the point that social activists checked the "family tree" of almost every security officer, general of the armed forces. At the same time, consultations were held with the Institute of National Remembrance (on the subject of the “communist" past of military personnel).

The report said that this "insanity" led to the fact that about 1200 officers and generals, who had a rich track record, left the service.

The report of the Bronislaw Komorowski Institute caused a wide public outcry in Poland.

For your information:: Bronislaw Komorowski was president of Poland from 2010 to 2015. In 2000-2001, he served as Minister of Defense of the country.
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  1. Nycomed
    Nycomed 14 September 2019 11: 43
    +3
    At first, the gentry rejoiced, and a day later, as they say, "they calculated, shed tears." crying
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 14 September 2019 11: 52
      +4
      How much for Poland will cost one
      F-35? For their army, the Americans at a discount buy F-35.
      1. fruit_cake
        fruit_cake 14 September 2019 11: 59
        +1
        under about 5 lard of green pieces of paper, not to mention the training of pilots and related maintenance, equipment and weapons
        1. Sky strike fighter
          Sky strike fighter 14 September 2019 12: 24
          +3
          Quote: fruit_cake
          under about 5 lard of green pieces of paper, not to mention the training of pilots and related maintenance, equipment and weapons

          Well, here are some details about the price of the F-35 for Poland that I found offhand.
          This year, Lockheed Martin plans to supply the U.S. Air Force base model F-35 at a cost of $ 80 million apiece. Thus, provided that Poland is supplied at this price, 32 fighters can cost Poland approximately at least $ 2,56 billion. This does not include the cost of training pilots, creating the necessary infrastructure and other expenses. By the way, training one pilot can cost $ 7 million.

          If we take the total costs for the entire life cycle, then this amount will need to be increased by another 70 percent, that is, up to 8,53 billion dollars. In this case, we take into account only the costs of the aircraft itself without other costs.

          At the same time, it should be borne in mind that for Belgium, under the existing contract, 34 F-35 fighters will cost $ 6,53 billion. With this approach, the previous figures obtained in Poland can be safely increased by 2,5 times. It turns out that during the full life cycle of aircraft Poland will need to spend more than 21 billion dollars. This is the price of participation in the league of countries armed with fifth-generation American fighter aircraft F-35. This is the price to be a US satellite.



          Details: https://regnum.ru/news/economy/2632778.html
          Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to REGNUM.
      2. Nycomed
        Nycomed 14 September 2019 12: 00
        -2
        And here everything depends on the States: how much they say, how much it will cost. Moreover, payment is possible and not always in money, but in the capacity of rent for the territory of American bases, to which they plan to transfer US troops from Germany. Little Poles can also be thrown for the incessant "Russophobic hysteria". But you never know why.
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 14 September 2019 12: 10
          +4
          Quote: Nycomed
          but let’s say as a rent for the territory of American bases,

          Perhaps you were in a hurry with this - "Poland wants to pay $ 2 billion for the creation of a permanent US military base" https://ria.ru/20180528/1521494497.html. The noblemen are ready to pay themselves, what kind of rent is there. Ours for you, hi .
          1. Umalta
            Umalta 14 September 2019 20: 17
            +1
            Poland is a lady of low social responsibility, who herself pays for having her.
        2. fruit_cake
          fruit_cake 14 September 2019 12: 15
          +1
          yeah, lockhead martin will work at a loss, they only dreamed of making the Poles free with free planes
          1. Sergey39
            Sergey39 14 September 2019 12: 32
            +1
            Why at a loss? If the correct figures are given in the article (6,53 billion for 32 aircraft), then more than 200 million apiece is obtained. Poles will not pull amid EU refusal to sponsor Poland.
    2. Kontrik
      Kontrik 14 September 2019 12: 03
      0
      Quote: Nycomed
      At first, the gentry rejoiced, and a day later, as they say, "they calculated, shed tears." crying

      Again you are the first ahead of Russia throughout .. heh heh
      Have you turned on the weather vane? But you shouldn’t be a marshal ..
      Well, on the topic soldier
      The Psheks in mine were entangled in their hysterical Russophobia .. And they thought about how this would soon threaten them. hi
      1. The comment was deleted.
        1. Nycomed
          Nycomed 14 September 2019 12: 20
          -2
          He is "more alive than all living things", like the Old Man Krupsky-Armand! lol
        2. KVU-NSVD
          KVU-NSVD 14 September 2019 12: 35
          +3
          Quote: Destiny
          Tersky, moderator, why does a mihan always have several nicknames?

          This is Meehan! Hands off the old truth-teller! laughing Alexei Yurievich, does it really bother you? .. I put you a plus sign, do not worry.
          1. Destiny
            Destiny 14 September 2019 12: 46
            +1
            Quote: KVU-NSVD
            I put you a plus sign, do not worry.

            laughing Thank you, good soul, this is the meaning of my life ... laughing I also put a plus sign for you, don't be upset. I just don't like it when someone is allowed everything, but normal and smart men who are interesting and informative to read are banned for much less "sin" here ... hi
            1. KVU-NSVD
              KVU-NSVD 14 September 2019 12: 52
              +3
              Quote: Destiny
              I just don’t like it when someone is allowed everything, but normal and smart men who are interesting and informative to read

              So be a smart man - write your thoughts, and don't be indignant at Mikhan. Without Mihans and other similar boring.
        3. Kontrik
          Kontrik 14 September 2019 12: 47
          -4
          Quote: Destiny
          d) Have multiple accounts per visitor
          Tersky, moderator, why does a mihan always have several nicknames?

          I have one nickname ALWAYS until banned, then the next .. hi And so from 2015 on illegally .. soldier
          My conscience does not allow me to drop this site .. So in vain, scream here and you are not alone wink
          1. Nycomed
            Nycomed 14 September 2019 14: 12
            0
            "I have one nickname ALWAYS until banned, then the next one .. hi And so from 2015 on illegally .. soldier"
            I'm talking, one on one Old man Krupsky-Armand! Is there a hut in spill? winked
      2. Nycomed
        Nycomed 14 September 2019 12: 19
        -2
        And I'm in Generalissimo Swing like Marshal Haftar. wassat
    3. Amateur
      Amateur 14 September 2019 12: 14
      +2

      Really in two days all the grandmas are "tyutu"? crying
  2. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 14 September 2019 11: 54
    +2
    Yes, it's all on the topic - if you want to ruin a poor country - give it a cruiser (air regiment of flying "penguins") ...
    After the removal of EU subsidies, who will pay for the "Polish royalty"? Germans?
    1. Destiny
      Destiny 14 September 2019 11: 59
      +1
      The Germans will definitely not. The Americans can, the Poles have always been used in the West as a "military vanguard" in the eternal confrontation with us ..
  3. Sniper
    Sniper 14 September 2019 11: 57
    +3
    Poles will not get out of it ... they will be forced to buy these "super-planes".
    1. Kontrik
      Kontrik 14 September 2019 12: 07
      -1
      Quote: Sniper
      Poles will not get out of it ... they will be forced to buy these "super-planes".

      The software is Israeli ..) Then they will force to update it again, for "little money" every year or month wink
      1. Nycomed
        Nycomed 14 September 2019 12: 22
        -3
        And exchange all the "evil" for "shekels". laughing
        1. Kontrik
          Kontrik 14 September 2019 12: 51
          0
          Quote: Nycomed
          And exchange all the "evil" for "shekels". laughing

          All liberals dream about it .. shekels future world currency (dark))))))))))
          30 silverfish will still be popular in the global economy .. hi
          1. Nycomed
            Nycomed 14 September 2019 13: 04
            -1
            "All liberals dream about it"
            What are they dreaming of? About the exchange? Do liberals pockets torn from the abundance of evil? They do not know what to do with them?
      2. abc_alex
        abc_alex 14 September 2019 14: 59
        +2
        Quote: Kontrik
        The software is Israeli ..)



        No. Israeli software may only be used on Israeli aircraft.
  4. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 14 September 2019 11: 59
    +5
    Oops, the music didn’t play for long, the fraer didn’t dance for long, even hypothetical deliveries of fighters from the beloved host turn into hardship))
    1. Nycomed
      Nycomed 14 September 2019 12: 23
      0
      Yeah, there was enough euphoria for a day ... fool
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 14 September 2019 12: 35
        0
        There will be many more discussions ...
        The price is high. But typhoons are even more expensive. Rafali is even more expensive.
        F-15 - the latest bells and whistles, too, for 100 million.
        You can buy another F-16. But their last unit is not much cheaper than the F-35.
        Like it or not, of the new F-35 aircraft - one of the cheapest.
        1. Kontrik
          Kontrik 14 September 2019 13: 00
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          There will be many more discussions ...

          Who would argue and ban ..
          Quote: voyaka uh
          The price is high. But typhoons are even more expensive. Rafali is even more expensive.
          F-15 - the latest bells and whistles, too, for 100 million.

          Oh mother Miya .. Please announce the main price!

          Quote: voyaka uh
          Like it or not, of the new F-35 aircraft - one of the cheapest.

          Where to buy in bulk? So they would immediately say .. Discounts go to fighters as cooling pies heh heh ..
          All can’t just laughing fellow drinks
          Oh wei warrior hehe
          1. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith 14 September 2019 13: 34
            0
            The Fu-35 is flashed to everyone who is just to make money on training and maintenance, you can give a fat discount, but at the same time you will constantly pay a lot of money to the Yankees yes
        2. abc_alex
          abc_alex 14 September 2019 15: 06
          +3
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Rafali is even more expensive.

          More expensive than what? So far, the price has not been announced for Poland. Until recently, the F-35 was sold only to countries participating in the development and production program. Israel does not count, they give it to him.
          Poland did not participate in the program and cannot count on preferential prices. So do not rush to compare.

          .
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 14 September 2019 19: 08
            -2
            "Israel does not count, they give him" ////
            ----
            Israel receives planes for 110 million, not 85, as
            US Air Force. This is exactly the amount per plane calculated from
            military assistance. And add. costs: instructing, simulators
            also calculated.
            Rafali cost India much more than buyers
            F-35 aircraft.
            And it could not be otherwise: the F-35 has mass production -
            continuous production line 24 X 7, and for European manufacturers -
            small series.
            1. abc_alex
              abc_alex 15 September 2019 16: 39
              0
              Quote: voyaka uh
              Rafali cost India much more than buyers
              F-35 aircraft.

              I repeat again. Israel airplanes GIVE. He does not pay anything for them. Therefore, how much they subtract from zero is completely irrelevant.
              I repeat again: all current deliveries are made to the countries participating in the development and production program. These are pre-paid years ago preferential deliveries to investor countries.
              Poland did not participate in the program and is not a province of Israel. Therefore, there is no way to guess at what price they will be given a plane.

              Compare with the Indian tender is not correct.
              First, Indians buy a production license. Secondly, there are 10 times more cars, and thirdly, the French are frankly cheating there both with the price and with the delivery terms and with the terms.
  5. Avis-bis
    Avis-bis 14 September 2019 12: 32
    +1
    It got to the point that social activists checked the "family tree" of almost every security officer, general of the armed forces. At the same time, consultations were held with the Institute of National Remembrance (on the subject of the “communist" past of military personnel).

    The report said that this "insanity" led to the fact that about 1200 officers and generals, who had a rich track record, left the service.

    It all reminds me of something ... Moreover, in a wild mixture of "cleaning commissions" and "Ahnenerbe".
    Who will be Berlaga's accountant and what kind of mania will he invent for himself?
    Seeing the orderly passing by, Kai Yuli Starokhamsky shouted screamingly:
    - Long live the Constituent Assembly! All to the forum! And you, Brutus, sold out to responsible workers! Have you seen? I shout what I want. Try it on the street!
    1. lucul
      lucul 14 September 2019 17: 56
      0
      It all reminds me of something ... Moreover, in a wild mixture of "cleaning commissions" and "Ahnenerbe".
      Who will be Berlaga's accountant and what kind of mania will he invent for himself?

      Well, it is not in vain said that the future fascists will hide behind the mask of antifascism.
  6. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 14 September 2019 12: 33
    +2
    For their ambition just such a scrap is expensive to buy, the EU will take the remaining handouts and then at least the grass does not grow.
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 14 September 2019 12: 54
      +2
      Now they have only 40% of F-16s flying, although the aircraft is not as capricious as the F-35 in terms of maintenance. If they buy the F-35, then after a short period of time using these machines, they will most likely be on the ground.
  7. Fedor Sokolov
    Fedor Sokolov 14 September 2019 13: 06
    +1
    It could be said in short, dumb pennies.
  8. Benk
    Benk 14 September 2019 14: 48
    +1
    In any country there are different points of view, it is more important how much they are supported by the electorate.
    But our manipulative media do not get tired of pleasing us with regular revelations, snatching out the point of view of some expert, organization, political institution and presenting it with loud headlines "in limpopo there was a reversal / doubted / changed your mind.
    More throws on the fan, people won out, once again almost the third world in a dummy news is ready to discuss.
  9. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 14 September 2019 20: 12
    +1
    We don’t even know exactly at what price, what the contract will be

    There is nothing to bother, we must take! About "There was no concern, the woman bought a pig", the envious chatter.
  10. Rostislav
    Rostislav 15 September 2019 01: 00
    0
    As usual, a sober look is exclusively from retired politicians. laughing
    What to count money in someone else's pocket? A flag in their hands, a drum around the neck (and an electric train to meet).
    What is the S-400 business, under what flag will NATO planes circle Russian borders?
  11. iouris
    iouris 15 September 2019 01: 32
    0
    First, Trump was thrown by Poroshenko, promising to buy coal. I bought "two boats". Now the "hyena of Europe" has decided to dabble. Is this a businessman?