One day at the imperial arsenal in Vienna

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Here we go through the square
And finally we enter
In a big beautiful red house,
It looks like a palace.
Sergey Mikhalkov. In the museum of V.I. Lenin


Military museums of Europe. Today we will get acquainted with the exhibits of the Vienna Imperial Arsenal. The building itself, the palace of Hovburg, is precisely the real palace, although the colors are gray, not red. However, the Ilyichevsk Museum of Hovburg is not suitable for soles, and in terms of the value of its collections, as well as their volume, it knows no equal. The Knight’s Hall of the Hermitage, in comparison with its halls, is simply something like a regional museum of local lore, no more. And there is no exaggeration. Four riders and such a “wall” of them, as in the photo below. But this is only one of the 12 halls devoted to knight themes. And in each horse figure literally at every step.





Fortunately for visitors, almost 80% of the arsenal exhibits are displayed without being fenced with glass. Of course, you won’t be able to touch them, but viewing anything in detail and taking pictures will not hurt anything.


And this is for comparison: our "four" from the Knight's Hall of the Hermitage



By the way, for many years now the right leg of the rider on the far right has been improbably twisted. And none of the museum workers care about this. People ... she swallows everything. And the Chinese, from whom today and in St. Petersburg (and European) museums today literally can not push around, and even more so, because for them such "iron guys" are something completely unheard of and unprecedented. There were completely different forms of protection ...


Well, we begin our story with stories the emergence of this collection, so that it is clear why it is so rich and there are so many valuable exhibits in it.


Segment Helmet, or Spandenhead


Acquaintance with collections of armor and weapons it is customary to start with the oldest models, or ... helmets, since it is considered to be an important, so to speak, part of the human body and the level of protection corresponding to its status is simply necessary for it. In the collection of the Chamber there is a very interesting segment helmet (spanhelm) of the VI century. He came to Europe from the East along with the Sarmatians. It was very popular in the early Middle Ages among the German nobility. It was found among Franks in northern Europe, and among vandals in Africa, and among Saxons and Angles in the lands of Britain. It usually consisted of four iron segments connected by rivets on a copper or bronze frame, often gilded.

The fact is that emperors from the Habsburg family received objects of art and the same knightly equipment from the most remote lands: from Bohemia and Hungary, Galicia and various Balkan territories, from the modern Benelux countries - the old Netherlands, and such provinces of modern France as Burgundy, Alsace, Lorraine and finally from Spain and northern Italy. The development of diplomatic relations and military conflicts made it possible to diversify the collection with a multitude of items from the Middle East, including armor and weapons of the Turks, Persians and Egyptians, who had one or another relationship with the Habsburgs.


Conical helmet


Conical helmets with a fixed nasal iron plate were used mainly from the 9th to the 12th centuries. They were made of a whole piece of iron as a whole and without decorations. Due to the fact that the Bayeux tapestry depicts the conquest of England by the Normans (the Battle of Hastings 1066), whose heads have just these helmets, it is mistakenly called the "Norman helmet." Meanwhile, the helmet of St. Vaclav 955 of the year, which appeared long before the Battle of Hastings. Together with a large almond-shaped shield and chain mail, knee-length, this helmet was part of the complete equipment of medieval warriors for a very long time. Only a few such helmets have survived, among which the helmet of St. Wenceslas, and this Viennese helmet, which was found in the 1864 year in the Olomouc Voivodeship.

Naturally, the imperial status of everything that surrounded the then rulers of the empire and their vassals, starting from the palaces in which they lived, their furnishings, and even more so clothing, led to the fact that all this acquired the greatest possible refinement. And, of course, the emperor’s knightly armor acquired special value, which should have been truly magnificent from the top of the helmet to the tip of his sword, dagger or mace. The same was true for horses and horse armor. Thus, each of these objects simply could not be a work of art.


Topfhelm 1350 g., Owned by the Prank family. A typical knight's helmet and very valuable primarily because it retained its emblematic decoration in the form of buffalo horns. Very heavy, so it was most likely used as a tournament. The original owner of the helmet was probably Albert von Prank, whose seal, dated to the 1353 year, shows almost the same helmet. It was kept in the Augustinian monastery in Secau. In 1878, it was bought for the imperial collection.

The foundation of the collection was laid by the Imperial Chamber of Personal Armor, the existence of which has been documented since the 1436 of the year, in which the armor and decorative weapons of the ruling house and its retinues were stored. But in the Baroque era, all this completely lost its significance, since it was no longer necessary to symbolize knightly prowess or physical strength through armor. So the objects of the imperial collection became museum exhibits designed to perpetuate the history of the Austrian house of the Habsburgs in a different way - through a demonstration of their possession of ancient and beautiful artifacts.


The famous Bundhugel - "dog helmet" 1400 - 1410 years. It was more convenient than the “helmet-pot”, as it had more free space in the face, making breathing easier. The visor made it possible to wear such a helmet all the time, it was enough to lift the visor. Holes for breathing were usually located on the mask, it was taken on the right, and the left side did not have them

The era of knightly armament and tournaments was replaced by the "era of hunting", when it was hunting, and not tournaments, that became the main form of entertainment for the nobility. So there was an exposition of the court weapon or the “Court hunting chamber” created under the emperor Ferdinand II, it includes objects of the highest quality of manufacture of each era and up to the end of the monarchy in 1918 year.


The collection of the Vienna Armory also has a very unique helmet that belonged to George Kastrioti, the Albanian prince, nicknamed Skanderbeg (c. 1405 — 1468). The helmet dome is polished, the diadem and the heraldic figure are made of copper with partial gilding. The diadem has a Latin inscription: in * pe * ra * to * re * bt, which can be deciphered as follows: "Jesus of Nazareth blesses Prince Emathius, king of Albania, the horror of the Ottomans, king of Epirus." The heraldic figure is a goat head with horns.

The collection also included the unique collection of Archduke Ferdinand of Tyrol (1529 – 1595), which began to collect it in the 1577 year. He possessed tremendous wealth and at the same time believed that his duty was to preserve the heritage of the past and perpetuate the memory of his heroes. In accordance with this concept, which was surprisingly modern even by today's standards, he collected armor and weapons that belonged to various famous personalities - from princes to military leaders - both of his own era and of past centuries. In this way, his famous Armory of Heroes arose, which was located in the castle of Ambras in Tyrol. He also ordered the preparation of the world's first catalog of this collection, which includes 125 illustrations - the world's first printed and illustrated museum catalog in Latin, published in 1601 and in German in 1603. Each “hero” is depicted here in the form of an engraving on a copper plate, dressed in armor, and next to his biography. So we have a document confirming the existence of all these armors at the time of its creation, and we also know their initial appearance. Interestingly, all in the same XVI century, this collection was open to the public for admission.


Armor of Elector Frederick of Pfalz (1425 — 1476 gg.) Work Missaglia, approx. 1450 g.


Armor marks indicate that four different masters worked at once, namely Tomaso Missaglia, Antonio Misaglia, Innocenzo da Faerno and Antonio Seroni. This division of labor was characteristic of this Milanese company, in which particular masters specialized in individual items of armor. This armor was intended for export to France, therefore, "alla francese", that is, in the "French style", was made. From the actual Milanese armor, this style was distinguished by symmetrical shoulder pads and small discs to protect the armpits. The helmet is a grand bascinet, that is, a "big bascinet." Sabatons have characteristic late Gothic points at the ends. Elector Frederick the Victorious began his reign in the Palatinate in the 1449 year, and it is likely that he bought these armor on the occasion of this event. Note that a feature of the armor of the 15th century, by which they can be easily distinguished from armor of a later time, was the fastening of the collar. It was attached to the cuirass on two leather straps, front and back. There was a slot on the collar. On the belt - a metal shackle with a U-shaped mount, which led through this slot, after which a transverse metal rod on a cord was inserted into it. Due to its shape, it could not fall out, and even if it had fallen out, it would not be lost and remained to hang on the cord. Nevertheless, this design was subsequently abandoned and they came up with a “necklace” fastened with a hook. In addition, an adversary’s spear sliding on its cuirass could fall under this belt and break it! Another difference was the cuirass itself, in which the front and rear parts consisted of two parts each, and they did not connect to each other, although they came on one another. That is, the armor had a “top” held on its shoulders, and a “bottom” - held by a warrior on a belt.

During the Napoleonic studies, the Ambras collection in 1806 went to Vienna as the property of the emperor and was combined with the collection funds described above. In 1889, the collection of weapons and armor was opened to the public as the first collection of the imperial arsenal in the building of the Kunsthistorisches Museum. Well, and after the overthrow of the monarchy at the end of the First World War in 1918, all the artistic and historical collections of the Habsburg imperial house passed into the ownership of the Republic of Austria.


Before us is the Gothic armor made by Lorenz Helmschmidt for Emperor Maximilian I. He probably wore it as a young prince, and then handed it over to his uncle Sigismund on the occasion of his wedding with his second wife, Catherine of Saxony, in 1484. In this photo, all its details are visible very well.


To some extent, the basis of the arms collection is the legacy of two emperors: Maximilian I (d. In 1519) and Ferdinand I (d. In 1564). Moreover, the latter shared all the armor and weapons from his inheritance between his three sons. Part of Emperor Maximilian II remained in Vienna, in the Salzburg Palace, which later became the imperial arsenal, the collection of Ferdinand of Tyrol was in Prague, and then in Innsbruck, in the Ambras Castle, and the part that went to Karl of Styria in Graz. After the death of Karl, in the 1599 year, she again returned to the ownership of representatives of the main branch, but in Vienna was only in the 1765 year. Ferdinand added to the inherited possession a collection of weapons of famous people of the past and present, and thus created a collection, unique in historical and artistic significance. After the death of Ferdinand of Tyrol in 1595, his collection went to his eldest son, Karl von Burgau, but then was bought from him by the emperor, and eventually merged with all the other collections.



Around 1500, the so-called “Maximilian armor” appeared, the invention of which is attributed to Emperor Maximilian I. They are characterized by the presence of grooves running along their entire surface, but smooth greaves below the knees. The corrugated surface of the new armor created a beautiful play of sunlight on their surfaces, and was definitely close to pleating fashion in the clothing of the nobility. In addition to its optical properties, the corrugation also increased the strength of the armor itself, which made it thinner and therefore lighter, but with the same level of protection. However, the exact work needed to make the corrugation increased the cost of the armor, so this very expensive fashion disappeared before the middle of the century. The strange “face” on the helmet visor was due to the fact that tournaments were often held then during carnivals, which it was customary to wear a variety of masks, including terrifying ones. The helmet depicted in this photograph belonged to the Duke Ulrich von Württemberg (1487 - 1550 gg.). The work of the master armor Wilhelm Worm of the Elder (1501 - in 1538 g. Nuremberg).


Without a doubt, armor with such visors on helmets looked a little creepy ...


The value of the meeting of the Vienna Armory is primarily its historical significance, since it stores a huge number of armor and weapons of famous people, and just the original artifacts of its time. Moreover, it must be emphasized that the authenticity of many of them is also confirmed by numerous inventory inventories that begin with the 1580 of the year, and no less by sculptures of the 16th century.


Set Ferdinand I (1503 — 1564) with corrugated armor, both for the rider and his horse 1526. Master: Colman Helmschmid (1471 — 1532, Augsburg)


The collection contains mainly weapons and armor from the Middle Ages to the outbreak of the Thirty Years War. It is also unique in its selection of samples of tournament weapons, among which there are completely unique specimens. An important addition to the unique collections of the arsenal is also the library of the imperial house, which contains valuable illustrated manuscripts and printed publications on military affairs, tournaments, as well as the art of fencing and horse riding.


Right Shoulder of the Maximilian Armor Breastplate, approx. 1514 g., Owned by King Louis II (1506 - 1526 gg.), The son of King Vladislav II. Made by Conrad Zeusenhofer, Innsbruck


PS The author and site administration express their heartfelt gratitude to the curators of the Vienna Armory Ilse Jung and Florian Kugler for the opportunity to use her photographs.

To be continued ...
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  1. +7
    24 September 2019 05: 04
    Another great article with great photos on knight armor, thanks!
    Dear Vyacheslav, in the article "Many, many" iron guys. One day at the Army Museum in Paris "Your humble servant promised to try to find out who made a copy of this ancient Greek helmet?

    We managed to find out the following.
    It turns out that the replica of an ancient Greek helmet on display at the Musée de l'Armée was made by the apprentice Tom Pagè (Thomas Pagès dit Bugey le Valeureux), who completed the course, back in the late Middle Ages.
    In the then professional jargon, this product was called Le Chef-d'œuvre (masterpiece), and was a direct analogue of the current thesis. In the early Middle Ages, it was believed that it would be nice for an apprentice, applying for the title of master upon completion of his studies, to present a sample of his work to a certain commission. In the XNUMXth century, making a sample from a wish became a mandatory requirement. Like, until you make and show your "masterpiece", you will not be a master. Young people were taken for training at the age of fifteen, the study lasted seven years. Consequently, this helmet was made by a young man about twenty-two years old.
  2. +3
    24 September 2019 05: 12
    the museum, as they say, is good! and a good museum is even better! for sure! good
    Hannibal Lector's Mask has a spear hook that is very high - under the armpit
  3. +7
    24 September 2019 07: 00
    Comrade Today, 05: 04Awesome! You can’t even imagine how grateful I am to you. It didn’t even occur to me. But the fact is so interesting! Thank you very much!
    1. +3
      25 September 2019 00: 46
      Quote: kalibr
      Awesome! You can’t even imagine how grateful I am to you. It didn’t even occur to me. But the fact is so interesting! Thank you very much!

      And thank you, Vyacheslav, for prompting me to search for an answer to an interesting question. After all, before the fleet, back in the school years, I was quite fond of the Middle Ages and the Ancient World, so it was very interesting for me to find the answer.
  4. +6
    24 September 2019 07: 10
    Thanks for the article, Vyacheslav Olegovich! From myself I note that these unfortunate four horsemen have already become horsemen of the Apocalypse for the Hermitage. Among fans of military history, for some reason, it is considered bad form not to kick the museum for the exposition of the Knight's Hall. Meanwhile, the Hermitage has never been positioned as not only military, but even historical.
    1. +8
      24 September 2019 10: 29
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      miserable four horsemen

      Yes, I agree, a bit of a shame for the Hermitage. smile
      However, the Knight’s Hall perfectly fulfills its task (and it is intended to demonstrate art and not at all military), even surpasses it, since it makes an invariable impression on everyone who happens to be in it. And the leg ... Well, then, we assume that this is the leg - who needs a leg. Actually, everything that was exhibited in that room was done for show-offs, and not for battles, so let's go criticize better for the unhistorical nature of Rembrandt or Titian. smile
      The thing is different.
      I have long been depressed by the idea that we do not have a specialized museum dedicated to the Russian Middle Ages, in principle. There are small museums of the type of local history in various cities, there is a State Historical Museum, the Armory ...
      Maybe you need to create something so narrow-minded, on the basis of, for example, IIMK RAS ... Preferably, at a distance of no more than half an hour on foot from my house. smile
      Okay, I won’t whine.
      Vyacheslav Olegovich, as always, thanks. good hi
      1. +4
        24 September 2019 10: 35
        Greetings, Michael! I, too, have always been frozen by the absence in St. Petersburg of any historical or local history museum.
  5. +7
    24 September 2019 07: 26
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    Meanwhile, the Hermitage has never been positioned as not only military, but even historical.

    Everything is right, Anton, everything is right. But can riders' legs be corrected?
    1. +4
      24 September 2019 07: 32
      I'm not sure, but suddenly this is some kind of tradition, such as the Hermitage cats?
    2. +5
      24 September 2019 09: 40
      But can riders' legs be corrected?

      Good morning! I'll start with a joke:
      The Lord created animals, drew a line in the sand, says: "Taak! Smart - to the left, beautiful - to the right! " Everyone dispersed, one monkey remained in the middle. Lord to her: "Well, you already go somewhere .." The monkey responded, nervously, and a bit with a complaint: "But what am I now, to burst, or what!"
      I mean, which article should I run to discuss? Yesterday's French tanks, or today's knights? fellow Well, should I be torn, or something ?? belay Well, pleased, Vyacheslav Olegovich, pleased! bow down good colorful, informative hi
      1. +4
        24 September 2019 10: 12
        Get ready, Nikolai! We are going to visit Piotrovsky!
        1. +5
          24 September 2019 10: 22
          We are going to visit Piotrovsky!

          hmm .. Anton, do you have to? what It’s impossible to shoot in the Knights Hall .... request what is behind the glass - shamelessly shines, and the people - "a whole casino". sad It’s better to rent a room for oriental weapons - there is good lighting, and, most importantly, there is nobody. wink Moreover, there are no Chinese-Japanese-children. They are not taken there! Yes My friends, there are just sooo many people I have indicated in the Knight's Hall. Because all excursions lead precisely through this hall, where it is "smeared with honey" for everyone. hi I don’t recommend trying to photograph there! drinks
          1. +3
            24 September 2019 10: 29
            We will not take pictures, we will ask uncomfortable questions!
            1. +4
              24 September 2019 10: 34
              we will ask uncomfortable questions!

              As I recall, this is the dubious position of Eric Cartman of South Park. wink he got burned, and we will be kicked out too! laughing
              1. +4
                24 September 2019 10: 39
                From the Hermitage ?! Oh my god! Well this is not the Russian Museum, from there they can!
                1. +6
                  24 September 2019 10: 49
                  Well this is not the Russian Museum, from there they can!

                  Hmm .. On my last visit, I was twice hinted at shutting up .. feel Because we went to the exhibition expressionists. fellow And, of course, they didn’t listen to uncle professors - it’s impossible to look at it! Forgive me, my friends, but they paint more beautifully at desks - but we don’t allocate halls in the leading museums of the country for desks! negative so why even exhibit such a work of obviously sick people with unsatisfied fantasies! stop well, if only in the "yellow house" .... No.
                  1. +4
                    24 September 2019 10: 52
                    "Don't go to our kindergarten, you nasty one!" laughing
                    1. +4
                      24 September 2019 10: 56
                      "Don't go to our kindergarten, you nasty one!"

                      their garden on the other side of the Nevsky. After the "Ball of Vampires" in September 2016, I walked to the car through the Kat'kin Garden, and looked at the photo exhibition - there were beautiful banners with photographs of nature. drinks Then a certain creation of an incomprehensible volumetric complexion approached me, and asked for a lighter .. I still did not understand, who It was.. belay hmm .. hi
                      1. +4
                        24 September 2019 11: 00
                        Hmm. And once there they played chess for money.
          2. +4
            24 September 2019 16: 05
            It’s impossible to shoot in the Knight’s Hall ..


            In the Knight’s Hall, in the Knight’s Hall ... the mouse is white! Not only is it impossible to shoot there, there is nowhere to drink there! drinks

            Hi, Nikolay! smile
            1. +4
              24 September 2019 16: 11
              Zen is good, Pan Kohanka! drinks I don’t like to shoot in our museums. The best photos I got in Polotsk. But there was twilight, and I shot with a flash. And, most importantly - the exhibits are there without display cases. hi
            2. +3
              24 September 2019 17: 00
              Drink there by the way there is!
              1. +3
                24 September 2019 17: 24
                Anton, let me know, is it just that, by the way, or an invitation to visit? drinks
                1. +4
                  24 September 2019 17: 32
                  Let's just say my living space is not very conducive to the reception of organized tourist groups feel but a couple of people for a week ready to shelter.
                  1. +5
                    24 September 2019 17: 46
                    Thanks, Buddy! But I was referring specifically to the "Greek Hall". drinks

                    Once I went on a business trip to Tula, went to get acquainted with their weapons museum - you won’t describe the dawn! So along the way I visited Yasnaya Polyana. With the scientific secretary of this museum, they drank vodka in glasses while sitting on the sofa on which, according to legend, Lev Nikolaevich was born. There was nothing more to do there, but in the museum of weapons ... True, they also drank vodka there. request
                    1. +4
                      24 September 2019 17: 51
                      The Hermitage in this sense is very democratic (tea, not the Russian Museum!), It’s impossible to carry with you, but they pour it into cafes.
                      1. +5
                        24 September 2019 18: 13
                        Hermitage

                        People live! Fall in love ... Go to the theaters. In the bible ...
                        - Do not express yourself, Billy!
                        - To the libraries ... (c) crying
                      2. +4
                        24 September 2019 18: 34
                        Everything has its own price.
                        "Do you have no sun at all in St. Petersburg?"
                        It happens, but I was sick that day request "
                      3. +2
                        24 September 2019 20: 40
                        "At two in the morning ..." (c).
                      4. +2
                        24 September 2019 20: 49
                        This is in my small homeland.
                      5. +5
                        24 September 2019 18: 52
                        In a cafe - this is the prose of life, so everyone knows how. But once in the Museum of the Armed Forces we climbed onto the anti-aircraft platform of an armored train with a whole company and half an hour later we sang songs of the war years. The people, the male half, were very approving, and one elderly uncle told his son, obviously a grandson, that this crew was having lunch. Then they bathed in the pond of the CDSF park, regardless of the month of October. I remember the cops drove up to our shop, we poured them, we are all people and once served in the army. drinks
                      6. +3
                        24 September 2019 19: 02
                        Well, excuse me, we still have a "cultural capital"
                        Although the birthplace of Russian punk.
                    2. +4
                      24 September 2019 18: 02
                      With the scientific secretary of this museum, they drank vodka in glasses while sitting on the sofa on which, according to legend, Lev Nikolaevich was born. There was nothing more to do there, but in the museum of weapons ...

                      Konstantin, didn’t you break into bearded pacifism after that? hi
                      1. +3
                        24 September 2019 18: 44
                        No, not broken! My friend, although he was married, made a gesheft in full. There was no time for pacifism. smile
                        "The women shouted hurray and threw it into the air (something there)!" But obviously not caps, in Tula it was not fashionable to wear caps. wink
        2. +5
          24 September 2019 10: 25
          Not a problem! I was with him, and my daughter was. For a long time, however, in the 90 ...
          1. +4
            24 September 2019 10: 27
            Well, you and Gorelik were friends.
            1. +4
              24 September 2019 12: 46
              There were contacts with Gorelik at the level of drinking champagne and friendly visits. And here everything is official. Who is he and who am I ... But his office is gorgeous!
              1. +4
                24 September 2019 13: 23
                "Who is he and who I am"
                And even more so! However, like any marginal person, I prefer to enter from the "back door". Several years ago he met a man who turned out to be the son of the chief engineer of the Hermitage, who had worked with Piotrovsky the father. Vasily Konstantinovich tells the most interesting stories!
                1. +2
                  24 September 2019 15: 33
                  However, like any marginal, I prefer to go

                  the main thing is that without the voice of Millard. Return, Anton! wink you know, under our bureaucracy, you definitely don't look like archives. People are "sitting on a sack of gold, but hungry"! Because everything is really scary for a long time ... just - simplify the procedure! request
  6. +1
    24 September 2019 07: 43
    I wanted to take a walk through Google, but I only got on musical instruments or an ancient sculpture
  7. +5
    24 September 2019 07: 45
    ,,, you don’t run in such bullets laughing

    Inspired winked :-What sneakers, you still did not take down the skates! lol
    1. +4
      24 September 2019 07: 53
      So he did not run! To know little walked. It was indecent. And it was necessary to go into battle just like in fashion.
      1. +3
        24 September 2019 08: 53
        How to say . In many battles battles, French knights (even up to du Haecklen) moved on the battlefield on foot. And Gaston de Foix (this is already the 16th century) during the assault on Brescia simply ordered the knights to take off their shoes.
        1. +2
          24 September 2019 10: 08
          If I am not mistaken, the war of the Roses at the final stage was also conducted by chivalry on foot.
          1. +3
            24 September 2019 10: 24
            But the shoes were already "bear's paw"!
            1. +2
              24 September 2019 11: 58
              But on the subject of "already" a question arises. The War of the Roses ended in 1485. And whether the sharp-nosed sabatons were part of the tournament armor, or did Central Europe lag behind in the development of military-technical thought?
              1. +3
                24 September 2019 12: 45
                Obviously, where they walked more, they wore more comfortable shoes and wore them!
        2. +2
          24 September 2019 15: 00
          Quote: sivuch
          In many battles battles, French knights (even up to du Haecklen) moved on the battlefield on foot.

          In general, this did not give a special result for the French, due, among other things, to the fact that their armor was in no way (unlike the English one) adapted for a foot biao at that time. And to take off your shoes, and even before the attack - it's just some kind of shame ... Hence the shooting "at choice" ...
          1. +3
            24 September 2019 16: 10
            So after all, they went, starting in 1345, at least
            The French, for the first time in the history of the war, dismounted (according to other sources, already under Morlaix). The first French attack was repelled, but a second line arrived and swept the British from both flanks
            Fight at Saint-Paul de Leon
            (June 9, 1345) http://war100.ru/Main/senpol.htm
            du Haecklen did wink
            http://war100.ru/Main/ponva.htm Бой при Пон-Валлене
            (December 4, 1370)
    2. +6
      24 September 2019 10: 10
      "On sabatons, ah!
      And in metal pants! " laughing
      1. +5
        24 September 2019 11: 05
        3x3zsave (Anton) Today, 11: 10

        ,,, believed that long socks stuffed with filler helped playful nobles disturb the beautiful legs of the ladies under the table and even bring them to ... ecstasy belay .
        1. +3
          24 September 2019 12: 27
          Oohlnik! Just Larry Flynt of some kind! laughing
          1. +4
            24 September 2019 13: 06
            3x3zsave (Anton) Today, 13: 27
            ,,, somehow the armor for women is still different winked


            and with weapons controlled angry
            1. +4
              24 September 2019 13: 34
              Well, yes! Louis Vll was happy when he shook off his restless "sun", the brutal male Heinrich. Despite the loss of half (the best!) Of the state.
              1. +3
                24 September 2019 13: 40
                Despite the loss of half (the best!) Of the state.

                yeah, and "planted a time bomb" under interstate relations .. what
                1. +2
                  24 September 2019 14: 39
                  Well, don't tell me! Philip Augustus took half of the "noble knight" Richard.
                  About Chateau-Gaillard, even remember funny.
                  1. +2
                    24 September 2019 14: 44
                    yes, and then this era of friendship, enmity, homosexual and other usual relations for the then two countries ended in a poker in the ass of Edward II and the reign of Valois in France. And here it all began to spin! fellow
                    1. +2
                      24 September 2019 15: 14
                      In my opinion, everything started a little earlier, with the indefatigable greed of Philip the Beautiful.
                      1. +1
                        24 September 2019 15: 22
                        In my opinion, everything started a little earlier, with the indefatigable greed of Philip the Beautiful.

                        it’s just that everything came together at the right moment - in order to get into a fight. request
          2. +4
            24 September 2019 13: 27
            Oohlnik! Just Larry Flynt of some kind!

            and what, the people are already against? wink No. An ordinary naughty nobleman! As Joseph Vissarionovich said: "We will envy ..." drinks Well, by the way, Sergey has gorgeous additions! hi
            1. +3
              24 September 2019 13: 38
              About chic additions, I always separately note.
            2. +3
              24 September 2019 13: 44
              Pane Kohanku (Pane Kohanku) Today, 14: 27


              Senior! I see before my eyes the blood of my cousin spilled with the sharp sword of the master who is here. This alone obliges me not to retreat from the battle, even if death awaited me in it.(C)
              1. +3
                24 September 2019 14: 29
                "Summer! All the hooligans with brass knuckles
                They probably have a vendetta "(c)
              2. +3
                24 September 2019 14: 32
                Armor our cat with a brush! drinks
                ,,, somehow the armor for women is still different

                Sergei, but about the first picture .. the cavalry lady is holding a halberd .. what interesting choice of weapons! As far as I remember, the halberd was the weapon of professional foot soldiers, but not the riders! Or I'm wrong? hi
                1. +2
                  24 September 2019 14: 39
                  Pane Kohanku (Pane Kohanku) Today, 15: 32
                  It is necessary to ask Vyacheslav Olegovich.
                  I do not know what it means. But I promise to clarify with my colleagues.(c) Psaki D. what
                  1. +4
                    24 September 2019 14: 58
                    It is necessary to ask Vyacheslav Olegovich.

                    As a result, Viktor Nikolayevich will come, and he will clarify everything, along the way proving to me, purely so, just in case, that I am "from a steak - a land mine." fellow drinks I'm there, especially since I wrote a joke about a monkey .. and he loves them .. what wait, sir! drinks
                2. +2
                  24 September 2019 15: 02
                  Quote: Pane Kohanku
                  Sergei, but about the first picture .. the lady cavalryman is holding a halberd .. an interesting choice of weapons!

                  No, it’s not a halberd at all, it’s a normal war hammer, a good and traditional cavalryman’s weapon, but large ones - and even infantrymen fought.
                  1. +3
                    24 September 2019 15: 18
                    No, not a halberd at all, it's a normal war hammer, a good and traditional cavalry weapon

                    About Klevets - I heard. About such a hammer, as in the picture - no. Thank! hi
                3. +4
                  24 September 2019 15: 03
                  lady cavalryman in the hands of a halberd ..
                  ,,, may "selfie" request laughing


                  Codex Capodilista manuscript written in 1435 in the city of Basel by a certain Venetian gentleman named Giovanni Francesco Capodilista Yes
                  1. +2
                    24 September 2019 15: 54
                    maybe "selfie"

                    this is not a ladies' occupation - to flaunt in armor ... No. reminiscent of a ladies bodybuilders contest. lol here there are generally babarobots, they don’t need armor either! fellow You will see at night - you go down by yourself .... drinks and in the afternoon too .... what
              3. +4
                24 September 2019 16: 02
                Mom is one! Already then struck with fear! Where are we the cats rolling !? fellow
                1. +3
                  24 September 2019 16: 13
                  Why is it so terrible? An ordinary "Jamaican cat"! tongue
                  1. +4
                    24 September 2019 16: 16
                    An ordinary "Jamaican cat"!

                    with an ordinary Jamaican tank. Jamaican armored car. Or kototank. wink
                    Mom is one! Already then struck with fear! Where are we the cats rolling !?

                    - The Jacobins are damned! Have they brought all kinds of shame from Paris, where are we, Russian people, to go? Though drown ... (said G.R.Derzhavin, according to "To each his own" V.S.Pikul) laughing
                    1. +3
                      24 September 2019 16: 37
                      Cat armored! good You can’t pronounce without a half liter. How was it with Mark Twain when the Yankee cast German spells? All at once fainted!
                  2. +3
                    24 September 2019 16: 26
                    In Jamaica, in armor? On the "Shermanyuga" though the condition was at the pampered imerialists. And so it will be just "Jamaican fried cat", or "Jamaican cat". It's a shame ... recourse
                    1. +3
                      24 September 2019 16: 29
                      "Buy three shawarmas, collect a kitten!"
                      1. +3
                        24 September 2019 16: 32
                        I won’t, another cat has strayed to us here by itself, a kitten more precisely. Well, do not drive him away for the winter in vain. request
                      2. +2
                        24 September 2019 16: 35
                        Something fled from Piotrovsky ...
                      3. +3
                        24 September 2019 16: 38
                        We haven’t checked yet, but what the hell isn’t joking ...
                      4. +4
                        24 September 2019 16: 59
                        We haven’t checked yet, but what the hell isn’t joking ...

                        if without Pocahontas, then from Piotrovsky. Everyone is sterilized there. crying
                        about cats:
                        And so it will be just "Jamaican fried cat", or "Jamaican cat".

                        on Zakynthos I did not see a single fattened cat. crying All small and skinny. Apparently, island dwarfism and Greek greed for that wine laughing
                      5. +2
                        24 September 2019 17: 23
                        on Zakynthos I have not seen a single fattened cat


                        We won’t be pulled against ours! laughing

                        And Piotrovsky himself should have been in his time ... "without Pocahontas." negative
                      6. +2
                        24 September 2019 17: 43
                        There is also a test "for Madonna". If a beast starts yelling in a bad voice during playback of a track, it’s definitely a Hermitage!
                2. +3
                  24 September 2019 17: 26
                  Mom is one

                  What are the questions? good
                  1. +3
                    24 September 2019 17: 30
                    "The sailors have no questions", the Sea Cats too - our guy! This is not "with a bare heel on the checker"! drinks
            3. +4
              24 September 2019 14: 04
              As I once noted:
              "And Captain Mikhailov is eager for shameful tales, which seems to be among the hay girls, introducing them into embarrassment and great temptation (from denunciations)." laughing
              Or is it a professional deformation? laughing
              1. +3
                24 September 2019 14: 11
                (from denunciations)

                Napoleon warned the commissars and retinue to be called Campbell here.
                “Now what do we call Campbell?” belay
                - As you wish. But there is no emperor among us. No.
                “I wonder where he went.” - chuckled Koller. lol
                “I don't know,” replied Napoleon, gloomy.
                recourse
                (V.S.Pikul, "To Each His Own") wink drinks
              2. +3
                24 September 2019 14: 19
                3x3zsave (Anton) Today, 15: 04

                At least the ambassador was shy! ..
                Is Al completely headless?
                No matter what they say -
                All will bring one to the women!
                (C) laughing
                1. +2
                  24 September 2019 14: 24
                  "Are you back in your tune?
                  I’ll go to jail, keep in mind!
                  I'm not just a balabol,
                  I lead a policy "(c) laughing
          3. +3
            24 September 2019 16: 08
            "Go away, go away, you impudent ohalnik!" - the priest dismissed Lieutenant Gruzinov. ("Warrant Officer Panin") drinks
            1. +2
              24 September 2019 17: 16
              "Go away, go away, you impudent ohalnik!" - the priest dismissed Lieutenant Gruzinov.

              "By screws!!!" - Carlson yelled heartbrokenly, driving Boris Moiseyev away from himself. lol
              1. +2
                24 September 2019 17: 27
                Lord, Moiseev even climbed onto the roof? "To the madness of the brave we sing a song!" (FROM). Alexey Maksimych did not know, did not know ... wassat
                1. +2
                  24 September 2019 17: 28
                  Lord, did Moses even climb onto the roof?

                  no, Carlson, stealing jam, got stuck in the wrong window .. wink
                  1. +2
                    24 September 2019 17: 40
                    Well, now he has only one thing left! Until the last bullet!
                    1. +3
                      24 September 2019 18: 00
                      Here she is - merciless Swedish guerilla!
                    2. +2
                      24 September 2019 19: 06
                      "Lines, Karlosonchik,
                      For a blue handkerchief! "
                      1. +2
                        24 September 2019 19: 14
                        "Lines, Karlosonchik,
                        For a blue handkerchief! "

                        What young Boryusik wore ...
                        (the handkerchief was still blue, in tone with Borusiku) laughing
                2. +2
                  24 September 2019 17: 46
                  I knew.
                  "The stupid penguin shyly hides its fat body in the cliffs." (from)
                  1. +2
                    24 September 2019 17: 55
                    "The stupid penguin shyly hides its fat body in the cliffs."

                    stupid penguin - timidly hides, cunning - brazenly gets .... bully
                    1. +2
                      24 September 2019 17: 58
                      Well I say: gremlins, but no one believes.
                      1. +2
                        24 September 2019 17: 59
                        Well I say: gremlins, but no one believes.

                        I rewrote the comment. In FIG. I do not want. negative
  8. +3
    24 September 2019 07: 56
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    but suddenly this is some kind of tradition

    Well, Anton ... what tradition can it be to mutilate an exhibit? It was in our Penza museum of local lore ... an arrow from a Mongolian bow was thrust into a medieval portable crossbow. Well, I quickly stopped it.
    1. +3
      24 September 2019 08: 14
      You intrigued me! Next time, I will take an interest in the misunderstanding of the Hermitage aunts. I’ll inform you about the results.
    2. +5
      24 September 2019 10: 32
      an arrow from a Mongolian bow was thrust into a medieval portable crossbow.

      in Izborsk, a German helmet of the 1916 model (i.e., during the First World War) was hung in the hall of the Great Patriotic War. In the Kingisepp Museum, under a photograph of the rarest (and most unfortunate!) Armored car "Russo-Balt" by Bratolyubov's workshop, they signed an "armored train" (pictured) request Mistakes happen! Forgive the workers, they delight us so much with the safety of exhibits for not the biggest pay! hi
      1. +3
        24 September 2019 16: 30
        Yes, they are so stuck around an armored car that it’s impossible to understand, just like flies ... a birthday cake. laughing
        1. +3
          24 September 2019 16: 48
          Yes, they are so stuck around an armored car that it’s impossible to understand, just like flies ... a birthday cake.

          that was normal. At that time, meetings and banners were very fond of. Well, and who refuses to take pictures on the background of armored vehicles? wink here is, for example, the Red Guards near the armored car “Lieutenant Schmidt” of the Sheffield-Simplex brand, October 1917.

          these were the second largest armored vehicles purchased in the Russian army - 61 of them, Sheffield-Simplex and its twin, Army-Motor-Lorries, were purchased. But throughout the war they stood in Petrograd, for they were absolutely unfit for war! The armor plates were attached to the frame "made of the best English ash" ...
          Tests of the first armored cars of both brands arrived in Petrograd showed deplorable results. So, the Commission on armored vehicles noted on the "Sheffield":
          “The wooden frame, as the base for mounting the armor plates, is a great design flaw. The chassis is heavily overloaded. Failures of differentials, half shafts and crankcases are observed. ”
          In armored cars "Armia Motor Lories", in addition, there was "low speed and deflection of the front fists of the chassis frame, as well as wheel camber before testing."

          Naturally, upon the arrival of the armored cars in Russia, they were immediately rejected .. For some time, the issue of moving some of them to the railway track, or moving to another chassis, was decided, but, in connection with the Revolution and further events .... in general, everything turned out stupid ..
          On March 30, 1917, the GVTU issued a decree urgently “bringing the Sheffield-Simplex and Armie Motor Lories armored vehicles into good condition to transfer them to the Spare Division, which is entrusted with the simultaneous receipt of these vehicles for Petrograd.” The vehicles were supposed to be used to patrol the city and to be used by the Petrograd Soviet of workers and soldiers’s deputies instead of military vehicles intended to be sent to the front.
          1. +2
            24 September 2019 17: 19
            "Wooden frame, as a base for mounting armor plates


            Hmm ... In "Bronekoty" obviously not suitable. We don't need that in Jamaica! stop
    3. +4
      24 September 2019 16: 13
      It is that, in the Museum of the Armed Forces in Moscow, at the exposition dedicated to the Civil War, they stuck a "Maxim" with a corrugated casing and a neck for pouring water (snow). It would seem wherever ... request

      Thanks for the article, Vyacheslav! good What will we do when we return to Russia? There is an opinion to chip in and send you on a business trip to the States. smile
  9. +3
    24 September 2019 08: 17
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    Next time, I will take an interest in the misunderstanding of the Hermitage aunts. I’ll inform you about the results.

    It would be great. But one should not be interested in grannies. They are generally not involved in business! There is a weapons keeper, he has specialists - that’s them. And it is best to contact them through the PR department - it is on the ground floor to the right of the entrance. You explain to them that you would like to find out ... an important circumstance and ask ... and then you already have a conversation with specialists.
  10. +1
    24 September 2019 08: 18
    Quote: sherman1506
    o only hit musical instruments or ancient sculpture

    Well, I don’t know ... you can get there.
  11. +3
    24 September 2019 09: 03
    Very interesting article. It’s a pity, I didn’t grow together in Vienna.
    I would like to supplement it. At the Hermitage knight, not only the horse’s leg is twisted, he himself sits somehow in Tatar, with his knees bent.
    Maximilianovsky armor, as I read, quickly went out of use, not only because of the prohibitive cost, but also because it worked poorly against a gunshot — bullets did not ricochet. Instead, they began to make cuirasses with large angles of inclination (it is a pity, they did not think of spaced and multi-layer armor)
    And still, I would like less errors like - Segment helmet, or spandenhead. And so it is clear that helm, but it hurts the eyes.
    1. +3
      24 September 2019 15: 17
      Quote: sivuch
      Maximilianovsky armor, as I read, quickly went out of use, not only because of the prohibitive cost, but also because it worked poorly against a gunshot — bullets did not ricochet. Instead, they began to make cuirasses with large angles of inclination (it is a pity, they did not think of spaced and multi-layer armor)

      Yes, that's right - at first they invented the "corrugated style", it really turned out stronger, but what they began to do was easier - not a fact and not always.
      But empirically realized that "corrugation" catches a bullet better than a glossy surface, and besides, the firearm has become more widespread and penetrating. Bottom line - we went to layered armor, then we just went over to cuirasses, but still the firearms pierced - and in the end we refused them.
  12. +3
    24 September 2019 10: 16
    Quote: sivuch
    sorry, to the spaced and multi-layer armor did not think of

    Just thought of it. I’ll also talk about this. And mistakes, yes ... I've been making them all my life. Proofreaders enriched unmeasured.
    1. +3
      24 September 2019 11: 29
      In principle, the tarches for "mechanical rennen" evoke thoughts about the prototype of "active armor".
    2. +2
      24 September 2019 21: 27
      Just thought of
      With ceramic aggregate?
  13. +2
    24 September 2019 12: 53
    Quote: Pane Kohanku
    Then a certain creation of an incomprehensible volumetric complexion approached me and asked for a lighter .. I still did not understand who it was .. hmm ..

    Laugh, Nikolai! I know one Russian who was in Italy. Height 186 cm. Weight - more than 100 kg. "Pelsyns" under the arms. Stomach. T-shirt with Putin in glasses. In fact, dark glasses. Enters an Italian store and fills it up entirely. The owner is a great Italian. Ours is Bongiorno! - in a grave voice. The Italian looks at Putin with glasses, at the "oranges", the mounds of muscles ... "Ah-ah ...!" Ours - pointing a finger at the product: "Quantum da costa?" Italian, stuttering ... Mae-mae ... Our: Expansive! The Italian cuts the price in half. Our: "Arivederche!" The Italian is baptized. "Russian Mafia". Although everything is peaceful and the person is peaceful. It's just his voice and he carefully pronounces Italian words.
    1. +2
      24 September 2019 13: 11
      Just such a voice and he carefully pronounces Italian words.

      solid pluses from such a pronunciation! laughing Vyacheslav Olegovich, I had a case on Zakynthos. On the third day of observing wilted cucumbers in the nearest store from the hotel ... wink No, the seller-owner, God-fearing Greek, you are sitting on the priest exactly, your cucumbers are sluggish and dry, almost lost their appearance, but you will not raise your ass to remove! angry in the end, walking past the box office, and putting all my school English together, I blurted out: "Yo kukumbaz and veri bad!" negative oh, that was astonishment! "here kukumbaz ?!" belay I showed a broad gesture behind him. Greek darted to the tray, brought a cucumber, sticks into my hands - "it-s fo yu! know mani!" love I depicted an even wider gesture of rejection, my chest straightened, my chin rose, and my right hand involuntarily stretched to the side of the shirt on my chest .... stop ..well, a friend Volodya saved: "I will take! it-with fo mi! I, I will take!" lol that’s how we became the owners of a whole wilted cucumber for free. fellow no, the attitude of the Greeks was really a little enraged. They live in harmony with themselves, and do not strain, even if the vegetables lose their presentation! hi
      1. +2
        24 September 2019 13: 52
        "And in response to me: you see you were on a long journey,
        And he forgot people. We always live like this "(c)
        The Greek mentality is inexplicable, defined by two adjectives, greedy and lazy. Maybe the Turks are to blame?
        1. +2
          24 September 2019 14: 00
          The Greek mentality is inexplicable, defined by two adjectives, greedy and lazy. Maybe the Turks are to blame?

          maybe they only worked with the Turks? request I got the impression that the Greeks have enough climate, sea, olives and wine. And they don’t need anything else. How we all laughed if the olives had not grown for 300 years, and they did not need to be looked after - the Greeks would not have grown them either! laughing Well, then they will regularly scold their government, the European Union, the debts of the European Union and their 300 deputies in person. drinks
        2. +3
          24 September 2019 15: 07
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          The Greek mentality is inexplicable, defined by two adjectives, greedy and lazy. Maybe the Turks are to blame?

          Probably 500 years of Turkish yoke. The cunning, greedy and lazy traders survived; other genetics were not corny preserved ... Yes, the Turks are to blame, including this, unfortunately.

          There is an old beautiful expression - I will not say in Greek, in Russian something like this "a modern Greek from Phanara is not a Greek at all."
          1. +1
            24 September 2019 15: 16
            "a modern Greek from Phanara is not a Greek at all."

            Michael, I still did not like their attitude to garbage. request

            a paradise that tour operators love to advertise - Navagio Bay. Just next to the observation deck, where almost this view comes from, there are crowded trash bins. And the Greeks are in no hurry to give this place a more pleasant look! request well, as I say - "The easiest thing for the Greeks was to come up with the drunken philosophy of Socrates!" wink for it is not at all difficult to lie down in sheets and talk over a glass of wine! drinks
    2. +2
      24 September 2019 13: 46
      As Zadornov used to say: do not confuse the phrases "casa costa" and "cosa nostra"!
    3. +3
      24 September 2019 18: 21
      Height is 186 cm ... Weight - more than 100 kg. Enters the Italian store and fills it whole.
      My height is 186 cm and weight is more than 100 kg. True, there are no muscle tubercles, but the belly does not hang. How many in Italy was not, not a single store could fill.
      1. 0
        25 September 2019 10: 38
        How many in Italy was not, not a single store could fill.

        You didn’t have to, but if you wanted, you would have crushed any Italian by your intellect anyway. laughing drinks
        something inspired by me the image of the winner ... he directly presented .. not in the shop, but in the affairs of the aggressive .. winked
        Berthier arrived in Milan. The young woman (singer Grassini) could not understand why three years ago Bonaparte did not pay any attention to her, and now he suddenly needed her. Berthier explained to the singer: “Signorina, but then our first consul was chasing other hares ...”
        In the morning, Grassini asked the winner at Marengo:
        - Tell me, what did you like me?
        - In his own name - Josephine ...
        However, in Italian she was called Giuseppina.
        wink drinks
        1. +1
          25 September 2019 13: 30
          Grassini and in French - Giuseppina (Giuseppina Grassini). True, in June 1800, when Napoleon entered Milan, she was not just the singer Grassini, but, as they say now, a European megastar and opera diva, who shone on the stage of La Scala.
          Concerning "three years ago Bonaparte paid no attention to her", the tale of Grassini's attempts in 1796 to attract Napoleon's attention came from the memoirs of Count de Las Cases, Napoleon's secretary on the island of St. Helena. Nowhere else, including in the singer's biographies, even such detailed as those of Pujen, about Grassini's meetings and Napoleon is not mentioned until 1800.
          By the way, the metressa Bertier had a very similar name - Giuseppa - Giuseppa Carcano, Marquise Visconti di Borgorato.
  14. +3
    24 September 2019 12: 56
    Quote: Trilobite Master
    However, the Knight’s Hall perfectly fulfills its task (and it is intended to demonstrate art and not at all military), even surpasses it, since it makes an invariable impression on everyone who is in it.

    I completely agree. But you always want more. Is not it?
  15. +3
    24 September 2019 13: 43
    Good afternoon!
    Thank you more for a great article!

    I would like to clarify one point:
    Conical helmets with a fixed nasal iron plate were used mainly from the XNUMXth to the XNUMXth centuries. Made from a whole piece of iron as a whole and without decorations.

    How do you imagine this? )) By casting?
    Perhaps all the same, two halves were forged (pulled out of a sheet of iron) and then welded with a fuzzy welding?
    1. +2
      24 September 2019 14: 29
      The first one-piece forged bronze conical helmets were made by the Celts (4 century BC)

      The first solid-forged steel conical and then spherical helmets were made by the Romans (1 century BC)
      1. +2
        24 September 2019 14: 36
        made by the Romans

        EMNIP, after the war with the Dacians, Roman helmets began to be strengthened from above with metal strips crosswise. For the falx pierced ... what
        1. +1
          24 September 2019 14: 44
          The war against the Dacians is the 2 century A.D.

          I brought a photo of a Roman helmet of the 1 century BC to the fact that some people recently drowned in VO because only after the Avars (6 century AD) in Europe did they begin to produce solid-forged steel helmets laughing
          1. +2
            24 September 2019 14: 46
            I don’t say anything about solid casts until the 1st century. BC. What I don’t know about - I don’t know about. wink I only remember that they really began to strengthen! hi
      2. +2
        24 September 2019 15: 58
        What are you poking at me with pictures wassat
        I can also show you a photo of the salad (it is in the article) and from it you can also say that it is forged, but the technology for its manufacture is exactly the same as I described above (from 2 halves)
        I ask you to describe the manufacturing technology, what does "solid-forged" mean?
        I can understand how to make a umbona on a shield, a sheet - heating - tapping (stretching) in the form of a hemisphere. There is enough metal flexibility to do this, but with a helmet you don’t get to understand how request
        1. +1
          24 September 2019 16: 06
          Everything is done in the heated state of the metal (as you said) in two steps: first, a hemisphere is forged on a concave mandrel, and then on a convex - cone.
        2. +2
          24 September 2019 16: 30
          Even Morion with a comb managed to forge from one sheet. But there it is easier to bend the sheet in half: on the left is bulge, on the right, is the bend and where the bend is a crest. Then it was fettered. In general, the ancients were masters. I had an article here about how to make the Cup from Trialeti. Search by tags and see
          1. +1
            24 September 2019 18: 17
            Thanks for the direction of expanding horizons)))
            There is one question. I don’t have access to the exhibits - what is the thickness of iron in helmets?
            Now reconstructions for fights are made 2 mm. It would be interesting to compare the thickness)))
            1. +3
              24 September 2019 19: 51
              The thickness was different. 1.5, 2, 3 mm. But we must understand that modern metal is different from that. For example, helmets were forged from ordinary iron interspersed with carbon. Therefore, they were cut with a sword the only way! Modern rolled steel cleaned of impurities is not at all! Much better!
        3. +2
          24 September 2019 21: 00
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9vvXSFKRvM
          Great video to answer your question. Pleasure guaranteed laughing
          And a few more on the same channel
  16. 0
    24 September 2019 14: 58
    Quote: Pane Kohanku
    i don't speak

    I'm not talking about you laughing
  17. +2
    24 September 2019 16: 23
    Forged! A sheet and a form were taken. And a "depression" was forged from the sheet. Then it ... "deepened" and at the same time reduced to a cone. Then the remnants of the sheet were cut off at the edges and that's it. I didn’t come up with it myself. The result of metallographic analysis of one of these helmets is described.
  18. +1
    24 September 2019 16: 42
    The drawing is inaccurate and mystical. The author also drew the helmet from the bulldozer, and depicted the halberd in the "a la" style. In short, it’s as if I started drawing a car. Everyone would understand that this is a car. But what no one would understand!
  19. 0
    24 September 2019 17: 04
    The maxim "The Knights' Hall of the Hermitage, in comparison with its halls, is just something like a regional museum of local lore, no more" absolutely superfluous. Spoils the impression of the whole article.
  20. +1
    24 September 2019 17: 17
    Quote: Stormsdruttin
    Spoils the impression of the entire article.

    My opinion. I have the right to have and to express!
  21. +1
    24 September 2019 17: 21
    Quote: sivuch
    It’s a pity, I didn’t grow together in Vienna.

    But now, when you know everything ... will certainly grow together. I thought that having been in Carcassonne in 2013, I won’t get there anymore. Why, they say, what to watch? Although he regretted that he hadn’t eaten and bought little hypocras. And this summer again I get to Carcassonne. And the roe deer had time to eat, and bought a hypoclass ... plenty. So ... wish and will be given to you at your request!
  22. +3
    24 September 2019 20: 38
    By far the best museum in which there has been so far.
    Before visiting Vienna, he told his friend that I would go here anyway. No options. We went to pre-selected museums. I'm in Hoffburg. She's at the Klimt Museum. After eight hours of inspection, I met her wicked in Maria Theresa Square. Klimt's Campaign is not too inspiring laughing . For all claims, I put a photo of Alba's armor in my nose. THERE are solid steel lace. Then she took my phone and with envy and oohs looked at the footage laughing
    1. +3
      24 September 2019 21: 00
      Klimt is interesting, but in homeopathic portions.
      1. +3
        24 September 2019 21: 05
        Perhaps, but not mine
        Of the paintings, only the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel was truly impressive. Unfortunately, all of Leonardo was under restoration at the time of his visit to Rome. Therefore, it may have lost something special
  23. +2
    24 September 2019 21: 56
    Quote: Sea Cat
    There is an opinion to chip in and send you on a business trip to the States.

    Send it! The Metropolitan Museum has been waiting for me!
  24. 0
    25 September 2019 10: 27
    Quote: kalibr
    My opinion. I have the right to have and to express!

    For God's sake. One of the commentators amicably hinted to you that the Hermitage is not an arsenal or a military museum. And you get something like this about the Hermitage: "At least there was a hodgepodge in the Tretyakov Gallery, but at the opening day there was only one mineral ... Laughter! Museum, museum - there is nothing to open a jar with! ...."
  25. +1
    25 September 2019 11: 11
    Quote: Stormsdruttin
    as if not an arsenal or a military museum.

    But the rider's legs must be inserted correctly anyway. We got used to living by the principle "and so it will do." And we are glad for that! And this is wrong.
  26. +1
    25 September 2019 11: 13
    Quote: sivuch
    Just thought of
    With ceramic aggregate?

    No filler. But with two layers of metal.
  27. +1
    25 September 2019 16: 09
    Quote: Engineer
    She's at the Klimt Museum.

    But I don’t even know who Klimt is ... Only here I first read about him. The benefits of VO!
  28. 0
    25 September 2019 16: 11
    So all the same, you have the wrong appearance!
  29. 0
    14 December 2019 03: 45
    I can’t imagine what you need to be a master.

"Right Sector" (banned in Russia), "Ukrainian Insurgent Army" (UPA) (banned in Russia), ISIS (banned in Russia), "Jabhat Fatah al-Sham" formerly "Jabhat al-Nusra" (banned in Russia) , Taliban (banned in Russia), Al-Qaeda (banned in Russia), Anti-Corruption Foundation (banned in Russia), Navalny Headquarters (banned in Russia), Facebook (banned in Russia), Instagram (banned in Russia), Meta (banned in Russia), Misanthropic Division (banned in Russia), Azov (banned in Russia), Muslim Brotherhood (banned in Russia), Aum Shinrikyo (banned in Russia), AUE (banned in Russia), UNA-UNSO (banned in Russia), Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people (banned in Russia), Legion “Freedom of Russia” (armed formation, recognized as terrorist in the Russian Federation and banned), Kirill Budanov (included to the Rosfinmonitoring list of terrorists and extremists)

“Non-profit organizations, unregistered public associations or individuals performing the functions of a foreign agent,” as well as media outlets performing the functions of a foreign agent: “Medusa”; "Voice of America"; "Realities"; "Present time"; "Radio Freedom"; Ponomarev Lev; Ponomarev Ilya; Savitskaya; Markelov; Kamalyagin; Apakhonchich; Makarevich; Dud; Gordon; Zhdanov; Medvedev; Fedorov; Mikhail Kasyanov; "Owl"; "Alliance of Doctors"; "RKK" "Levada Center"; "Memorial"; "Voice"; "Person and law"; "Rain"; "Mediazone"; "Deutsche Welle"; QMS "Caucasian Knot"; "Insider"; "New Newspaper"