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An interim report on the landing of the aircraft in the corn field was prepared

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Interstate aviation The committee prepared a preliminary (interim) report on the incident with the Airbus A321 airliner in the Moscow Region. This is a situation in which pilots had to plant an emergency liner in a corn field.


An interim report on the landing of the aircraft in the corn field was prepared

The process of disassembling a plane that landed on a cornfield


The report confirms the version that was originally expressed: the reason for the failure of the engines of the passenger plane of Ural Airlines was the entry of birds into them. After the birds got into the Airbus A321 power plants, there was a loss of takeoff thrust. A separate issue remains regarding the maintenance of the airport, in the immediate vicinity of which there is a landfill, which has become the habitat of thousands of birds, including gulls. The aerodrome services note that the bird repellent systems worked as usual. But the flight of birds in front of the liner during takeoff did not stop it.

The pilots were no longer able to return the multi-ton car to the airfield in Zhukovsky and made the only right decision - to land “in front of themselves”.

As you know, the landing was successful - the skill of the crew avoided casualties. At the same time, the aircraft commander, who instantly oriented themselves under the circumstances prevailing at that time, decided to land with unreleased landing gear, although Airbus instructions prescribed this. It was such a landing that in the end allowed the aircraft to land quite smoothly on soft and loose soil. Otherwise, there remained the danger of "burying" the wheels in the ground at high speed with the likelihood of a plane crashing and unpredictable consequences.

Recall that by decision of the head of state, crew members were awarded state awards.
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 14 September 2019 06: 31
    +8
    So where is this report?
    Or is it an excerpt from it?
    In general - about nothing ...
    1. Sharky
      Sharky 14 September 2019 06: 45
      -15

      It’s good that no one was hurt, the birds are sorry. I have a good mood.
      1. Vladimir16
        Vladimir16 14 September 2019 08: 14
        +5
        Need to joke out of place, uncle. negative

        People, thank God, are alive.
        The crew are heroes.
        .
        1. Sharky
          Sharky 14 September 2019 09: 57
          +2
          People, thank God, are alive.
          The crew are heroes.

          That's why I joked. There are no victims. Everything ended well.
          Such jokes are normal practice, not blasphemy and bone dancing.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 14 September 2019 11: 07
            0
            Quote: Sharky
            That's why I joked.

            All jokes should be in place. Joker.
            1. Sharky
              Sharky 14 September 2019 12: 02
              -1
              I heard you. There is no comrade in humor (both in taste and color),
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 14 September 2019 12: 19
                0
                Quote: Sharky
                I heard you. There is no comrade in humor (both in taste and color)

                Don’t be offended, I’ve joked too.
                1. Sharky
                  Sharky 14 September 2019 12: 23
                  0
                  Yes, give up, and did not even think. On offended carry water. laughing
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 14 September 2019 08: 49
      +6
      Quote: Victor_B
      So where is this report?
      Or is it an excerpt from it?
      In general - about nothing ...

      What report do you need? Complete decoding of "black boxes" with graphs, signatures and seals? It is enough that the version with the ingress of birds into the engines has been confirmed; for a simple layman, it is quite enough. request
    3. Tersky
      Tersky 14 September 2019 11: 04
      +2
      Quote: Victor_B
      So where is this report?

      What report are you talking about? The news clearly states that:
      preliminary (intermediate) prepared report by accident with airliner
      For - report used for public communication, outlining any topic.Report contains a message about someone’s completed actions or completed operations.
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  3. aszzz888
    aszzz888 14 September 2019 06: 36
    +5
    The pilots were no longer able to return the multi-ton car to the airfield in Zhukovsky and made the only right decision - to land “in front of themselves”.

    At the same time, SAVE ALL passengers!
  4. BARKAS
    BARKAS 14 September 2019 06: 37
    +5
    The crew and passengers are certainly incredible lucky pilots hero. Only the article is something that I did not understand?
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 14 September 2019 08: 46
      +8
      They simply confirmed the initial version of the causes of the accident. Before that, there were only speculations.
    2. SSR
      SSR 14 September 2019 12: 05
      +5
      Quote: BARKAS
      The crew and passengers are certainly incredible lucky pilots hero. Only the article is something that I did not understand?

      Not entirely true statement. Can be interpreted in two ways, "lucky" with the birds or landing?
      At the same time, the commander of the aircraft, instantly orienting themselves under the circumstances prevailing at that time, decided to land with unreleased chassis, although Airbus instructions prescribed it.

      Here is the specific professionalism of the crew.
      I remember the particularly talkative whining, for what of the Hero?
      It is likely that they did everything according to the instructions of Airbus, the result of the landing could be different.
      Respect to the whole crew.
  5. Kontrik
    Kontrik 14 September 2019 06: 41
    -4
    crew skill avoids casualties

    Bazaar no handsome pilots!
    decided to land with unreleased chassis, although Airbus instructions prescribed it

    This is Karl Russia, we have never lived according to the instructions and we will not .. hi
    1. Pedrodepackes
      Pedrodepackes 14 September 2019 07: 01
      0
      Quote: Kontrik
      This is Karl Russia, we have never lived according to the instructions and we will not ..

      this is the rare case when they did not follow the instructions and saved the lives of people, but most often it leads to incidents and sacrifices, because many instructions are written in blood, so I see no reason for pride. After all, the landfill near the airfield was not according to the instructions.
  6. Amateur
    Amateur 14 September 2019 07: 08
    +1

    IAC itself does not know yet.
  7. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 14 September 2019 07: 15
    -10
    This, the most ... And who will pay for the corn? sad
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 14 September 2019 07: 17
      0
      It was a report, not a calculation. smile
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 14 September 2019 07: 22
        -10
        Quote: Thrall
        It was a report

        Comrade agronomist probably pulled out all the paisas. crying
        1. Pedrodepackes
          Pedrodepackes 14 September 2019 07: 54
          0
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Comrade agronomist probably pulled out all the paisas.

          and what should he rejoice about?
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 14 September 2019 07: 58
            -5
            Quote: Pedrodepackes
            and what should he rejoice about?

            But what about! Just think, some kind of corn!
            1. Dikson
              Dikson 14 September 2019 08: 10
              0
              Yes, horseradish with corn ... - there the field most likely became unsuitable for agricultural work .. - they probably poured kerosene on the ground .... And in theory, the airline should compensate for the damage if the lawyers cling ... All this does not detract from heroism and highly trained crew ...
              1. Pedrodepackes
                Pedrodepackes 14 September 2019 08: 22
                +2
                Quote: Dikson
                And in theory, the airline should compensate for the damage if the lawyers grab it ... All this does not detract from the heroism and high skill of the crew ...

                guys, let's not contrast the skill of the crew and saving the lives of Russians with corn, but by separating the flies from the cutlets, it’s still worth admitting that the person suffered losses. And don’t have to jerk about it. After parsing this incident, the perpetrators will be identified and, most likely, it will not be an airline. That with the guilty damage will be claimed.
              2. Piramidon
                Piramidon 14 September 2019 11: 35
                +1
                Quote: Dikson
                And in theory, the airline should compensate for the damage

                You can run into the local authorities for a landfill located in the area of ​​the airfield.
              3. Avis-bis
                Avis-bis 15 September 2019 08: 34
                0
                Quote: Dikson
                the field most likely became unsuitable for agricultural work .. - Kerosene must have been poured onto the ground ....

                Hardly. Caissons look whole

                ... and nobody will break the plane with full tanks - they leaked fuel, definitely.
        2. Pike
          Pike 14 September 2019 08: 14
          +8
          The owner of the field said long ago that he was glad for the salvation of passengers and crew and has no complaints. The cost of losses is small for him.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 14 September 2019 08: 16
            -10
            Quote: Pike
            The owner of the field said long ago that he was glad for the salvation of passengers and crew and has no complaints.

            He would try something else to say. They would die for a sweet soul. winked
    2. Avior
      Avior 14 September 2019 08: 57
      +2
      Birds from the dump?
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  9. Thrifty
    Thrifty 14 September 2019 08: 09
    +2
    Judging by the photo in the article, was the aircraft disposed of? ??
    1. Avis-bis
      Avis-bis 15 September 2019 08: 35
      0
      Quote: Thrifty
      Judging by the photo in the article, was the aircraft disposed of? ??

      Yes. Broke.
  10. demo
    demo 14 September 2019 08: 52
    +9
    At the same time, the aircraft commander, who instantly oriented under the circumstances prevailing at that time, decided to land with unreleased landing gear, although this prescribed instructions Airbus Company.

    When the "clerk" wrote this paragraph, he himself understood what he was writing.
    According to the logic of the written, this is what follows:
    -Sits with unreleased chassis as instructed.
    But the pilot did not comply with it and sat down with the unreleased chassis!

    This was "written" by another victim of the exam, who is going to become a journalist !?
    And the pilots simply and unpretentiously "scored" the instructions and gently sat down in the cornfield!
    Winners are not judged, but awarded.
    Well done!
  11. Ural-4320
    Ural-4320 14 September 2019 09: 20
    -6
    Some garbage: either we save the Tu-154 on the edge of the country, then in the suburbs we cut a new plane.
    Wonderland. Is it really true that we can only cut and know how?
    1. Ural-4320
      Ural-4320 14 September 2019 10: 59
      -3
      Hello minusers! Do you really think that it was impossible to take out the fuselage of an airplane from the Moscow Region without resorting to destroying it? Well, someone would have written about his insurance, that there was no point in saving. Yes, even in this case, the plane had a lot of parts that could go on spare parts.
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 14 September 2019 11: 38
        +1
        Quote: Ural-4320
        that it was impossible to take out the aircraft fuselage from the Moscow Region

        And send it to the Airbus plant for repairs? Cheaper to buy a new one. And Airbus would hardly have undertaken to repair it.
      2. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 14 September 2019 16: 52
        +1
        Quote: Ural-4320
        it was impossible to take out the fuselage of the aircraft without resorting to its destruction?

        The Ural Airlines had a real chance to get a cool nazamny simulator for stewards, technicians ... This is very solid for the airline, it’s a pity that they sawed
    2. irontom
      irontom 14 September 2019 13: 15
      +7
      You have nothing to do but carry crap. Have you been to this field to see a plane, evaluate its condition? No. I was. Engines were turned out of the plane from the planes with meat, the avionics compartment entered the trunk, the fuselage turned a screw, which restoration could be discussed. From a whole that can be further used, only chairs, interior panels and cabin appliances. So the disadvantages you have deserved.
      1. Ural-4320
        Ural-4320 14 September 2019 13: 49
        -1
        I wrote about restore? Where? I wrote about the fact that he was chopped on the spot.
        1. irontom
          irontom 14 September 2019 14: 09
          +3
          The aircraft cannot be repaired, the Investigative Committee has finished investigative cases, the owner of the leasing company decided and did it. All. Tu-154, which sat down on an abandoned runway and slightly scratched the nose of the fuselage, has nothing to do with this case. Economic expediency has nothing to do with the "wonderland". The airline and the owner from Bermuda removed everything that survived and cleared the field.
    3. Avis-bis
      Avis-bis 15 September 2019 08: 42
      +1
      Quote: Ural-4320
      Some garbage: either we save the Tu-154 on the edge of the country, then in the suburbs we cut a new plane.

      The Izhminsky Tu-154 was a matter of prestige and advertising of the owner airline, this is its own business. And the critical power elements were not damaged. And at the "airbus" one pylon is completely turned out (one spar is definitely damaged) and the second, most likely, also transferred some loads to its spar that damaged its geometry.
      The owner of the "Erbus" is somewhere abroad, "Ural" is only a tenant, what does "we" have to do with it? He, the owner, and decided to break.
      1. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 16 September 2019 16: 59
        0
        Quote: Avis-bis
        The owner of the "Erbus" is somewhere abroad, "Ural" is only a tenant, what does "we" have to do with it? He, the owner, and decided to break.

        And now the owner is patiently waiting and thinking, how can he add the insurance payment, and it’s not small
        1. Avis-bis
          Avis-bis 16 September 2019 17: 10
          +1
          Quote: Pete Mitchell

          And now the owner is patiently waiting and thinking, how can he add the insurance payment

          Again in Toulouse, that lying in vain for money ...
          1. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 16 September 2019 17: 12
            0
            Quote: Avis-bis
            Again in Toulouse, that lying in vain for money ...

            Probably still at the banquet. But now it’s the turn of ouu
  12. svp67
    svp67 14 September 2019 09: 40
    +8
    As you know, the landing was successful - the skill of the crew avoided casualties.

    The whole flight ...

    At the same time, the aircraft commander, who instantly oriented themselves under the circumstances prevailing at that time, decided to land with unreleased landing gear, although this was prescribed by Airbus instructions.

    Well done, saved himself, the crew and passengers.
    It was such a landing that in the end allowed the aircraft to land quite smoothly on soft and loose soil.
    The pilots have a "light hand", to plant such a long and fragile "cigar" and not break it ... well done. They are even more successful pilots than the Americans, who planted a shorter "watermelon" in the Hudson water.
    1. Ural-4320
      Ural-4320 14 September 2019 11: 39
      0
      IMHO it is more difficult to plant on water - the water does not keep on itself, you will sink to the very bottom. And even the water that gets into the engines will begin to push them down. But landing on the motors on the load is close to landing on the chassis.
      1. svp67
        svp67 14 September 2019 12: 26
        +1
        Quote: Ural-4320
        IMHO it is more difficult to plant on water - the water does not keep on itself, you will sink to the very bottom.

        But not in this case, the laws of hydrodynamics and aerodynamics are very similar. So moreover, an undamaged airplane body has positive buoyancy
        1. Ural-4320
          Ural-4320 14 September 2019 16: 26
          0
          About buoyancy - a fact, I do not argue. But you have to dig into the ground, and swim on water only thanks to your own positive buoyancy, otherwise you will sink.
        2. Avis-bis
          Avis-bis 15 September 2019 08: 47
          0
          Quote: svp67
          not damaged aircraft body has positive buoyancy

          EMNIP, the plane drowned half an hour after the splashdown. The design was not damaged.
      2. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 14 September 2019 15: 41
        -1
        Putting it on water is harder! But the skill and success of the Russian pilot is worthy of respect and reward.
        1. Ural-4320
          Ural-4320 14 September 2019 16: 27
          0
          I think nobody argues with this. Not everyone can make a decision and do everything right in the minimum amount of time.
      3. Avis-bis
        Avis-bis 15 September 2019 08: 45
        +1
        Quote: Ural-4320
        IMHO it is more difficult to plant on water - water does not hold on itself

        It is more difficult, but for another reason - to estimate the height above the water by eye is much more difficult than above the ground, and the radio altimeter above the water captivates. Even professional hydrists prefer to sit along a linear landmark - for example, along the coast.
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  14. garri-lin
    garri-lin 14 September 2019 11: 00
    0
    As for the chassis, I think an investigation should be set up. As far as I remember, during the Second World War it was prescribed that in the event of an emergency landing on unreliable (loose) soils, it only sits with the chassis removed. What a foolish man from Aerbams managed to write instructions on where to release the chassis at the risk of breaking them down or provoking a rollover. Plus, we all remember what could happen if the landing gear breaks and the tanks are damaged as a result of such a breakdown. I think this case is an occasion to check the instructions for adequacy.
    1. Ural-4320
      Ural-4320 14 September 2019 11: 16
      +1
      Have you ever thought that the phrase in the article is taken out of the context of the instruction? No one showed the instructions, only some slippery mention.
      1. garri-lin
        garri-lin 14 September 2019 11: 28
        +2
        From the very first day, on TV and on the Internet, they said that the landing "on the belly" was bypassing the instructions and on the personal initiative of the commander.
        1. Ural-4320
          Ural-4320 14 September 2019 11: 36
          +1
          Does anyone on TV know if the chassis can exit in conditions of faulty engines? Is it possible to launch the APU in flight and how long does it take? Does a retractable power generator help with the release of the chassis under these conditions? Also the last resort of truth to me - TV.
          When a plane was landed on Hudson, and then there was a debriefing, a delay of 3 seconds to make a decision in those conditions led to the fact that not a single crew on the simulator could reach the normal airport. And to sit on the water was the only option.
          Did any of the TVs carry out a similar analysis?
          1. garri-lin
            garri-lin 14 September 2019 11: 47
            0
            Watch the news for that period and listen carefully to WHAT they said there. Who spoke and to whom he referred. And since then not one rebuttal was not followed.
          2. Piramidon
            Piramidon 14 September 2019 11: 57
            0
            Quote: Ural-4320
            Does anyone from TV know whether the chassis can exit in conditions of faulty engines? And can the APU be launched in flight and how long does it take? Does a retractable power generator help with the release of the chassis under these conditions?

            From which system are the landing gear retraction mechanisms for this type of aircraft controlled (electric, hydraulic, pneumatic ...)?
            1. Ural-4320
              Ural-4320 14 September 2019 12: 21
              +1
              Hydraulics. The pumps are powered by main engines.
              1. Piramidon
                Piramidon 14 September 2019 13: 16
                +2
                In theory, there should be an emergency exhaust system and accumulators should be.
                1. Avis-bis
                  Avis-bis 15 September 2019 08: 49
                  +1
                  Quote: Piramidon
                  In theory, there should be an emergency exhaust system and accumulators should be.

                  All true.
                2. Pete mitchell
                  Pete mitchell 16 September 2019 10: 35
                  0
                  Quote: Ural-4320
                  Hydraulics. The pumps are powered by main engines.

                  Plus electric pumps with lower performance; plus accumulator; plus emergency release system, so to speak last chance
                  1. Piramidon
                    Piramidon 16 September 2019 10: 38
                    0
                    Quote: Pete Mitchell
                    Plus electric pumps with lower performance

                    We also had a manual pump НР-1.
                    1. Pete mitchell
                      Pete mitchell 16 September 2019 11: 15
                      0
                      There seems to be a mechanical opening of the locks - the system is very multi-stage, but requires time that they did not have
    2. dzvero
      dzvero 14 September 2019 12: 09
      +1
      After the disaster, I read the specialized forums. I’ve never been a pilot, but here’s what I understood: the instructions dealt with two cases - an emergency landing on the ground (release the landing gear) and on the water (do not release the chassis). Here the question is most likely what to consider dirt - earth or water. It takes time to complete all the procedures, which the pilots simply did not have. They had to act "intuitively", but the main thing is that they did not get lost before "blocking". And a successful landing in this case is a combination of skills and luck, and the second is more.
      As for the instructions themselves, they were most likely written by engineers and testers (or written down from their words). Why they decided so, let the aviation specialists speak out. My option - landing gear struts take the first hit; if they don't break, then everything is ok; if they break, the next blow (already on the engines) will be "softer" and the plane will slide on them.
      1. garri-lin
        garri-lin 14 September 2019 12: 14
        +1
        If the front landing gear gets into a roughness of the soil or falls into soft soils, can you imagine what will happen?
        1. Ural-4320
          Ural-4320 14 September 2019 12: 24
          +1
          There was an experiment with the B727, when it was planted in the desert radio-controlled with the chassis released. The result is deplorable. Although the experiment does not claim to be 100% objective, it is very difficult to land a radio-controlled colossus in the same way as a pilot does.
          1. garri-lin
            garri-lin 14 September 2019 12: 29
            0
            That is why you need to understand the instructions. And with those who write them.
          2. Ural-4320
            Ural-4320 14 September 2019 12: 38
            +1
            Here is a movie about the experiment with the B727.
            https://youtu.be/WvbGiuKbmGM
        2. dzvero
          dzvero 14 September 2019 12: 26
          0
          Yes. But nevertheless it is spelled out in the instructions. Why dont know. But since the instructions are for everyone, then it probably makes sense. Maybe I'm wrong, but I really admit that the main struts take a blow (they have shock absorbers after all) and, breaking down, make it easier to land on the belly. Also, I admit that the instruction implies landing in a meadow or unplowed field (sufficiently hard and even ground), because if there are obstacles, then what is on the chassis, what is "on the belly", the result will be the same.
          1. garri-lin
            garri-lin 14 September 2019 12: 32
            +1
            The streams at a speed become stuck in the mud of mud of soaked chernozem. Or in the sand. Joey in the furrows freshly plowed from the field. Imagine what will happen. It is necessary to create a commission and check the instructions for adequacy.
        3. Piramidon
          Piramidon 16 September 2019 10: 49
          +1
          Quote: garri-lin
          If the front landing gear gets into a roughness of the soil or falls into soft soils, can you imagine what will happen?

          Something like this. Front cockpit in "accordion" style.
          1. garri-lin
            garri-lin 16 September 2019 13: 49
            0
            Great illustration on the topic.
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon 16 September 2019 14: 09
              +1
              Quote: garri-lin
              Great illustration on the topic.

              At what he sat, in contrast to the "Airbus" on a concrete runway, however, with two engines failed and with a long flight from the end of the runway. I jumped out of the runway and hit the stream bed with my front foot.
              1. garri-lin
                garri-lin 16 September 2019 14: 39
                0
                That is even more so. A very clear example. Landing with the landing gear on soft ground is cooler than Russian roulette. You need to check the instructions for the pilots and to figure out such errors. It is possible that the pilots did not follow the instructions saved the lives of passengers.
                1. Piramidon
                  Piramidon 16 September 2019 14: 53
                  +1
                  Quote: garri-lin
                  It is possible that the pilots did not follow the instructions saved the lives of passengers.

                  The most interesting thing is that none of the local sofa commentators cited the points of this instruction regarding emergency landing outside the airfield. Some speculations and assumptions. But they are ready to apply punitive measures to the fullest extent, up to the execution, hanging and quartering. They are ready to make executioners themselves, but for this, I think, their gut is thin. Tryndet and clatter on the clave, not at all that in real life to kill a man. hi
                  1. garri-lin
                    garri-lin 16 September 2019 17: 02
                    0
                    Well, such a zheskach is certainly an inflection. But! Agree that the disaster revealed a problem. It is often said that instructions are written in blood. And here is an obvious miscalculation in the instructions. And I bet that if the landing was a little less successful, the pilots would start to roll a barrel, which they did not follow the instructions. And the pilots are to blame. And the manufacturer would be in the first place.
                    1. Piramidon
                      Piramidon 16 September 2019 17: 11
                      0
                      Quote: garri-lin
                      And here is an obvious miscalculation in the instructions.

                      I would like to read this instruction regarding this type of aircraft. At least what it says about an emergency landing with failed engines on an unprepared lane.
                      1. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 16 September 2019 17: 18
                        0
                        I was looking for. But not much. I didn’t find anything. But the prescriptive item sits with the chassis lowered referenced from day one. And zhurnalyugi and like the captain himself said. And there were no official denials.
    3. Cat man null
      Cat man null 14 September 2019 12: 42
      +4
      Quote: garri-lin
      As for the chassis, I think an investigation should be scheduled.

      Damn ... lit "chassey liqueur" here ... watch the video, is there time for their release? Given that you understand that you are falling, and frantically looking for a site, where would be softer?

      Not to mention that landing a plane on a plowed field on a landing gear is initially a bad idea yes
      1. garri-lin
        garri-lin 14 September 2019 12: 50
        0
        So that's the point. Once a similar item was in the instructions, then the instructions have fatal errors.
      2. Rzzz
        Rzzz 15 September 2019 01: 06
        -1
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        Is there time for their release?

        Especially considering the fact that both motors got up, the hydraulics do not swing, and the release from the accumulators is noticeably slower. They could simply miss out and damage the plane much more than landing on their belly.
        1. Avis-bis
          Avis-bis 15 September 2019 08: 54
          +1
          Quote: rzzz
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          Is there time for their release?

          Especially considering the fact that both motors got up, the hydraulics do not swing

          Autorotation engines create noticeable pressure (well, about 1/5 of the working one), hydraulics are needed to control the rudders / ailerons, so they had to turn on the pumping station like that, this is a matter of seconds. The chassis release is assisted by its own weight and free flow: the nose strut exits downstream, while the main ones have a slightly sloping pivot axis so that the free flow has an effect on the release. But I'm talking about an abstract emergency release. In this case, there was little time for release.
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  16. Radikal
    Radikal 14 September 2019 15: 51
    +1
    Quote: Piramidon
    Quote: Victor_B
    So where is this report?
    Or is it an excerpt from it?
    In general - about nothing ...

    What report do you need? Complete decoding of "black boxes" with graphs, signatures and seals? It is enough that the version with the ingress of birds into the engines has been confirmed; for a simple layman, it is quite enough. request

    Test pilot Sergei Bogdan has a different opinion, but his comments about this incident were removed from all Internet resources .... winked
    1. NN52
      NN52 14 September 2019 18: 27
      +3
      And what were his comments? Just wondering?
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 16 September 2019 14: 13
      0
      Quote: Radikal
      Test pilot Sergei Bogdan has a different opinion, but his comments about this incident were removed from all Internet resources ...

      If you still have his opinion, share it. And so your comment from the series - "I heard something, somewhere, but ...". Does this test pilot have anything to do with the investigation committee of the accident?
  17. Radikal
    Radikal 14 September 2019 19: 58
    0
    Quote: NN52
    And what were his comments? Just wondering?

    That these are not birds, but the problems of civil aviation are much wider, and similar incidents and disasters will continue until the approach to the construction of our civil aviation changes. Regarding this particular case, he said that the questions to Airbus, and not to the birds from the dump, that the representatives of this company didn’t knowingly instantly flew in, was a hint that there was an agreement with them, or a conspiracy (as you like) to not disclose the true reasons equipment and engine failures respectively. sad
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin 16 September 2019 13: 55
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      That is, a video with birds flying behind the porthole seconds before the disaster is a fake?
    2. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 16 September 2019 16: 49
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      Did you really read Bogdan? Garnayev and Talboev grasped, give a link to Bogdan.
      Quote: Radikal
      not for nothing that representatives of this company immediately flew in, there was a hint
      But this is just normal practice, and engine manufacturers must have come running. And the most interesting thing that representatives of insurers will say
  18. Rzzz
    Rzzz 15 September 2019 01: 02
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    Well, why was it stupidly sawed into scrap metal? In developed countries, well-known planes are dismantled for souvenirs. Up to the point that the metal is cut into squares and sold as key rings.
    1. Avis-bis
      Avis-bis 15 September 2019 08: 59
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      Quote: rzzz
      Well, why was it stupidly sawed into scrap metal? In developed countries, well-known planes are dismantled for souvenirs. Up to the point that the metal is cut into squares and sold as key rings.

      The owner of the plane is from a "developed country". :) By the way, no one will bother him to cut these "key rings" later from the resulting pieces of metal. ;) And, most importantly, oh well, nafig - buying a piece of a crashed plane is a bad omen (at times I support established superstitions :)).
      1. Rzzz
        Rzzz 15 September 2019 23: 26
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        Not crashed, but successfully sat down. The plane fartanulo pretty much.
        1. Avis-bis
          Avis-bis 16 September 2019 06: 15
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          Quote: rzzz
          Not crashed, but successfully sat down.

          "Successfully sat down" is in Izhma or RA-08824 in Vorkuta. And here...

          For passengers - well, yes. For the plane - no, under cancellation.
          1. Rzzz
            Rzzz 17 September 2019 22: 26
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            Aircraft, it is needed in order to serve people. He did his job perfectly, saved everyone. It is people who are always primary. That under the cancellation - well, that’s life. Everyone will be there. They would cut it from his souvenirs - at least I would have lived in them, otherwise they would be melted into beer cans.

            In general, there is a saying in aviation: A successful landing is when you can get away from the plane on your own feet.
            1. Avis-bis
              Avis-bis 19 September 2019 06: 56
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              Quote: rzzz
              Aircraft, it is needed in order to serve people. He did his job perfectly, saved everyone. It is people who are always primary.

              Let’s do it without inappropriate pathos. People are alive - good.
              When they say "I crashed my car," this does not mean that there is at least one corpse in this accident. In aviation, it is not a term that "crashed", so it can be interpreted broadly. I have such an accident (and this is already a term), if I want, I will call it "crashed", my own business. Unlike, say, landing without one OSH. There, too, the aircraft can be irreversibly damaged, but it will not "crash" if there are no seriously injured.
              melted into beer cans.

              "That is life". Or maybe for a new ESA-shny satellite or a new P-180.
              In general, there is a saying in aviation: A successful landing is when you can get away from the plane on your own feet.

              In general, this is a dumb tracing-paper from English-language aphorism:

              She sounds awkward in Russian.
              In aviation (in Russian) there is a more laconic and elegant version: "The pilot is alive - the flight is successful."
  19. Fitter65
    Fitter65 15 September 2019 07: 53
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    the aircraft commander, who instantly oriented under the circumstances prevailing at that time, decided to land with unreleased landing gear, although company instructions prescribed Airbus
    And who, I wonder, read the Airbus A321 Owner's Manual ,? And where is the description of landing an airplane without engines without landing gear on the field? In order to write instructions on how to do this, you need to land at least once an airplane in the field, which, by the way, was not done during testing of this airplane ....
    1. Avis-bis
      Avis-bis 15 September 2019 09: 04
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      Quote: Fitter65
      it is necessary at least once to land a plane in a field, which, by the way, when testing this plane was not done ....

      ... like any other. laughing
      1. Fitter65
        Fitter65 15 September 2019 12: 29
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        Quote: Avis-bis
        Quote: Fitter65
        it is necessary at least once to land a plane in a field, which, by the way, when testing this plane was not done ....

        ... like any other. laughing

        it is clear that this is not, but these writers, how to write, write ...
  20. Radikal
    Radikal 16 September 2019 13: 59
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    Quote: garri-lin
    That is, a video with birds flying behind the porthole seconds before the disaster is a fake?

    Are you asking me? I did not upload this video. However, the video itself with the birds does not mean that they were the cause of the engine stop. sad hi
  21. Radikal
    Radikal 16 September 2019 21: 27
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    Quote: Pete Mitchell
    Did you really read Bogdan? Garnayev and Talboev grasped, give a link to Bogdan.
    Quote: Radikal
    not for nothing that representatives of this company immediately flew in, there was a hint
    But this is just normal practice, and engine manufacturers must have come running. And the most interesting thing that representatives of insurers will say

    You read my previous comment. I read this information on the news feed of my smartphone a few days ago. Later I wanted to find her on my computer, but to no avail. The news was on the Rambler website. But there I did not find her. Something like this. And what about Garnayev and Tolboev - for what reason did they interlock? sad
  22. Radikal
    Radikal 17 September 2019 13: 55
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    Quote: Pete Mitchell
    Did you really read Bogdan? Garnayev and Talboev grasped, give a link to Bogdan.
    Quote: Radikal
    not for nothing that representatives of this company immediately flew in, there was a hint
    But this is just normal practice, and engine manufacturers must have come running. And the most interesting thing that representatives of insurers will say

    Once again I checked the information - we are talking about Garnaev, nothing to do with Bogdan, my "joint". I apologize to all forum participants (and S. Bogdan) for an unintentional mistake! feel