Question from China: the USSR had 9 aircraft carriers, why did Russia have only one?

The Soviet fleet, which in its power followed the US Navy, although it did not pay much attention to the development of aircraft carriers, created a considerable number of them after the Second World War. At the time of the collapse of the USSR, nine ships of this type were built or were on the slipways, and today in Russia you can see only one of them - the Kuznetsova. Why did it happen? This question is asked by Sohu.

According to the Chinese publication, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, seven of them went to Russia. Two units were Moscow-class helicopter carriers with a displacement of 15 thousand tons. They have served since the 1960's and were in a worn condition. Moreover, these were difficult times for Moscow, so the ships were soon decommissioned.

Still got four aircraft carrier type "Kiev". The eponymous lead ship and the first production Minsk were bought by the PRC and today work in amusement parks in Tianjin and Nantong. The third Novorossiysk was transferred to South Korea for 13 million dollars, which, wishing to master this type of armament, dismantled it in parts. According to Sohu, the most legendary was to be “Baku” (renamed “Gorshkov”). After 10-year repair, it was sold to India for 2,9 billion dollars.

The only aircraft carrier remaining in Russia is Kuznetsov, “stolen” from Ukraine the day before the collapse of the USSR

- the publication interprets.

Two out of nine aircraft carriers remained at the Ukrainian shipyard, as they had not yet been built. Of these, the Varyag ready for 68% was rebuilt by China into the modern aircraft carrier Liaoning.

He is considered one of the best of this nine aircraft carriers!

- writes Sohu, regretting that the second aircraft carrier “Ulyanovsk” with a displacement of 80 thousand tons was dismantled in the United States, being ready for 40%.

The construction of nine aircraft carriers became evidence of the power of the former Soviet fleet [...] As a result, only one remained. The rest are sold or dismantled. This suggests that today's Russia is no longer the Soviet Union militarily!

- summarizes the publication.

Comments

[neri73-r]

Are you jealous?

[Rwmos]

And about the American yacht there was nothing there? And then the country has the largest public debt on the planet, and they build yachts ... 30% of Americans do not have access to any medical care, they buy luxury planes ... 15% of the US population - about 46 millions - below the poverty line, and them Hollywood parasites mansions are building

[tihonmarine]

Quote: RWMos

And then the country has the largest public debt on the planet, and they are building yachts ..

What a debt? They have a printing press.

[Rwmos]

Under De Gaulle, they also had a printing press, but De Gaulle demanded gold from the United States, and not candy wrappers.

[Shuttle]

Quote: RWMos

Under De Gaulle, they also had a printing press, but De Gaulle demanded gold from the United States, and not candy wrappers.

Right. Only de Gaulle somehow very quickly had such national problems that he resigned. What is there KiselevTV about coincidence in such cases asks?
But the Americans, of course, have nothing to do with it. Yeah ....!

[PSih2097]

Quote: Shuttle

Only de Gaulle somehow very quickly had such national problems that he resigned.

and given the number of attempts by the General on the CIA and Mi-6 lines, just after the demand for gold ...

[Axel Pervolianinen]

But he got the gold ... And he survived almost 30 attempts (while he returned the money).
But the Germans rushed and given them the sums, and not gold ....

[Ehanatone]

“True. Only de Gaulle had such national problems very quickly that he resigned. What’s there.”
True, But he returned the gold! ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: RWMos

Under De Gaulle, they also had a printing press, but De Gaulle demanded gold from the United States, not candy wrappers.

And after that, De Gaulle ceased to be president.

[krops777]

And after that, De Gaulle ceased to be president.

Yes, they immediately found their bulk, Poroshenko, and all kinds of twillies there, but the French de Gaulle did not forget that he was a national hero there, not that some of which after a couple of years you will not remember what they called.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: krops777

Yes, they immediately found their bulk, Poroshenko and all sorts of twillies there

Yes, about poro-shvili already forgotten.

[Para bellum]

Yes! Let’s not demand anything from anyone, let him be the president!

[Oleg Zorin]

You can demand everything. The moon from the sky, gold, Trump's daughter. But the debt will be given to you in what it is nominated for. In dollars. The rest is Wishlist and wet dreams.

[NEXUS]

Quote: RWMos

Under De Gaulle, they also had a printing press, but De Gaulle demanded gold from the United States, and not candy wrappers.

Under De Gaulle, behind every green candy wrapper there was gold, and, if sclerosis doesn’t fail me, after that incident, the dollar was no longer provided with the gold equivalent. So under De Gaulle, there was not a printing press at all, but a denomination of dollars backed by gold. Now the dollar is a stupid paper with promises and assurances.

[Axel Pervolianinen]

Did not have. Only the gold standard was declared. And after de Gaulle’s trick, they abandoned the standard, since candy wrappers unsecured with nothing are better.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: NEXUS

Now the dollar is a stupid paper with promises and assurances.

So much for the tale of the "almighty dollar".

[nikon7717]

The actual provision of gold was only when it was a real coin. From the moment the paper was issued, this is no longer real security, but only a receipt
The word gave the word took. My word. I want to give, I want to take.
The right of the strong.
This is similar to how today oil futures on the exchange are not provided with real oil. But they set the price of oil.

[Nick]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: RWMos

And then the country has the largest public debt on the planet, and they are building yachts ..

What a debt? They have a printing press.

Well, yes, waste paper also costs money.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: RWMos

30% of Americans do not have access to any medical care, they buy luxury planes ... 15% of the US population - about 46 millions - below the poverty line, and they have Hollywood parasites building mansions

Do we have where to strive?

[Svarog]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Do we have where to strive?

Of course there is, our Gauleiters are copying the social model of the United States and I’m sure that everything is going to this .. BUT we will, as always, everything will be larger .. and not 30% will not have access to medical care but all 70% ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Svarog

our Gauleiters are copying the social model of the United States and I’m sure that everything goes to this ..

They can strive, but they will not be given. 0,1 percent will receive this benefit, and the rest will be yoked with the tag "slave".

[Rwmos]

And how...

Residents of more than thirty states have filed web petitions to secede from the United States. The most popular are the initiatives launched on behalf of residents of Texas, Louisiana, Florida, Alabama and Georgia. Petitions are submitted as part of the "We The People" program, which the Barack Obama administration launched in 2011.

https://lenta.ru/news/2012/11/13/secession/

BUT we have, as always, everything will larger scale ..

And here is Nostradamus ... Maps tell the truth))) I wonder why these Nostradamuses are not millionaires - do they know the future? They would play on the stock exchange. or in a casino ...

[WIKI]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Do we have where to strive?

We don’t need to go anywhere. We have already caught up with them and surpassed them. According to the poverty level, if we calculate according to the OECD and EU methods, they have poverty 12,3%, and we will have 21,3%, instead of 12,9, according to Rosstat.

[NEXUS]

Quote: WIKI

We don’t need to go anywhere. We have already caught up with them and surpassed them. According to the poverty level, if we calculate according to the OECD and EU methods, they have poverty 12,3%, and we will have 21,3%, instead of 12,9, according to Rosstat.

By training manuals, you continue to read. The concept of wealth and poverty is very vague. Some people have enough 70s in the apartment, and he considers himself okay, and for someone, at least bring the whole room in gold and black caviar every day, there will still be little. So this your nonsense you can tell your children about poverty and wealth, dear. And do not forget to run for another iPhone in 3 in the morning to be at 5 minutes to become one of the owners of the new idiotic gadget, which will replace both your personal life and children and give you a ghostly confidence that you are successful and rich.

[WIKI]

Like a general, but what nonsense he wrote.

[NEXUS]

Quote: WIKI

Like a general, but what nonsense he wrote.

You write nonsense, dear. And judging by the touchy answer, I was right. Tell me, how did our grandfathers manage without Ferrari, iPhones, expensive apartments and trips to cheap hotels in Turkey? I’m often asking myself the question myself: could I do what they did in the Second World War? Or do you have human values ​​expressed only in convertible currency?
Wealth, young man, that’s not much, but that’s enough.

[WIKI]

With your imagination, only write novels. I am 64 years old. What the fuck iPhone, Ferrari Turkey.

[NEXUS]

Quote: WIKI

With your imagination, only write novels. I am 64 years old. What the fuck iPhone, Ferrari Turkey.

In the 64 of the year I’m going to stop writing such a heresy and consider myself right?

[WIKI]

What is heresy?

[NEXUS]

Quote: WIKI

What is heresy?

In your posts about poverty and wealth. You lived to 64 years, and you still didn’t understand that wealth is a very relative value.
And by the way, show me at least one millionaire who would give at least a hundred rubles to a beggar. They are not successful and not rich, they are collectors of banknotes. That is essentially Plyushkiny.

[WIKI]

Here is a link confirming the numbers of the comment, and here we are. https://www.vedomosti.ru/economics/news/2019/01/31/792902-rosstat-urovnya-bednosti

[NEXUS]

Quote: WIKI

Here is a link confirming the numbers of the comment, and here we are. https://www.vedomosti.ru/economics/news/2019/01/31/792902-rosstat-urovnya-bednosti

I repeat, you show these links to your children, and not to me. And for me there’s nothing to talk about with you. 64 years to live and write such heresy ... well, God be divine, ...

[WIKI]

I repeat once again. Where is the heresy in my comment? Only without demagoguery.

[NEXUS]

Quote: WIKI

I repeat once again. Where is the heresy in my comment? Only without demagoguery.

.We have already caught up with and surpassed them. According to the poverty level, if we calculate according to the OECD and EU methods, they have poverty 12,3%, and we will have 21,3%, instead of 12,9, according to Rosstat.

Poor you poor. Can you give money?

[Dart2027]

Quote: NEXUS

64 years to live and write such heresy

Old school. The USSR was also whining about how to live badly ... True, then many of the whiners regretted it very much.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: NEXUS

The concept of wealth and poverty is very vague.

I’ll collect it especially for you. The concept of poverty in Russia is when per capita income is below the subsistence level. In 2019, it was installed - for pensioners - 8583 rubles; for children - 10390 rubles; for the able-bodied population - 11280 rubles; per capita - 10444 rubles ...
Payment of a 2-room apartment in our city - 2 400-2 800 rubles. If you subtract this payment from the subsistence minimum, it will remain 8-9 thousand. Have you tried to live on 300 rubles a day?
You know very well how poverty criteria are defined. Why are you turning in front of us here? Before us, who are ashamed of poverty because the state has stopped paying decent pensions and salaries ... Do you think it will be counted?
As for gadgets, we have already grown up from an age when people do not understand that they need to live not in public, but in good conscience.

[Doctor]

By training manuals, you continue to read. The concept of wealth and poverty is very vague.

Blurry. However, the calculation criteria should be the same. And so you can take a ruler, in which our centimeter will be like 2 of them and measure. Of course, we will be the longest.

[litus]

If 2 of them are against one of ours, then on the contrary it will be shorter

[Doctor]

If 2 of them are against one of ours, then on the contrary it will be shorter

Yes, I made a mistake. See how much depends on the line

[Spring fluff]

When talking about the poverty line in the US or Europe, it would be nice to specify what it is. I was not in the USA, so I decided to search the Internet. Here is such information: https://zen.yandex.ru/media/crisis/cherta-bednosti-v-ssha-kogo-v-amerike-schitaiut-niscim-5bbf87ffc6f3c100ad4762c8
Poverty is if more than 15% of expenses are spent on products. Accordingly, for a lone brow it is 1 thousand dollars per month.
As far as I remember, with an income of less than 2,5 thousand dollars per month, the United States is considered to be poor and income tax is not levied on it

[Flanker27]

And why are you silent about Abramovich’s yacht. They stole everything. And there is no fleet. And the pilots are running

[Dart2027]

Quote: Ilya Melnov

understand the question like a pig in oranges

That you are self-critical.
https://www.interfax.ru/business/207793

[Leeds]

“About 46 millions - below the poverty line”
I propose to URGENTLY raise the issue of sending humanitarian aid to the United States on board the Emergency Situations Ministry, and according to the First, not to collect children’s sms for operations, but to throw a cry for collecting cast-offs for Americans dying of hunger and cold.

(Maximum repost)

[Rwmos]

Late -

MOSCOW, 12 Aug - RIA Novosti, Maxim Rubchenko. The UN Special Representative for Poverty and Human Rights, Philip Alston, presented a report according to which about 40 million Americans live in poverty, 18,5 million live in extreme poverty, and 5,3 million live in absolute poverty, which is typical of the most backward countries of the Third World.

[Ilya Melnov]

Quote: RWMos

Late -

MOSCOW, 12 Aug - RIA Novosti, Maxim Rubchenko. The UN Special Representative for Poverty and Human Rights, Philip Alston, presented a report according to which about 40 million Americans live in poverty, 18,5 million live in extreme poverty, and 5,3 million live in absolute poverty, which is typical of the most backward countries of the Third World.

outright! And you ask yourself why the pro-Kremlin propaganda does not publish the updated information, or rather, what is the "poverty line" according to American law? And for comparison, on the territory of the Russian Federation?

[Rwmos]

Because it’s enough how pro-Washington propaganda lies about the fact that they are ahead of the rest ... And they aren’t caught by propagandists, but by senior UN officials with figures and facts. And here you have the purest unfounded propaganda - you have nothing to confirm it

[Xenofont]

A fruitless discussion about poverty in the world! Here Gorbachev's hunger of the late 80's gave birth to a sarcastic dialogue:
-In America, blacks do not eat up!
“And can you send all that Negroes send us?”

[region58]

Quote: Leeds

starving and cold Americans.

And connect Greenpeace ... otherwise they ate all the birds, you know ...

[Egor53]

It should also be added that 14% of adult Americans do not know how to read and write, at the level of ignorance of the alphabet. This is according to official UN data, in reality this figure is more than 20%.

[sabotage]

Quote: Egor53

It should also be added that 14% of adult Americans do not know how to read and write, at the level of ignorance of the alphabet. This is according to official UN data, in reality this figure is more than 20%.

Well, okay, our senators do not know the language.

[karabass]

And also from the USA there is a brain drain, people flee to other countries, unworthy salaries, oligarchs and deputies

[Rwmos]

Well, so that from the US there was a brain drain. first they need to get their brains. From there, so far there is only a leak of Boris Johnson and real production. In addition to commercials in the United States have not produced anything for a long time.
And so, they still have a new misfortune there - they are fighting against the sexual exploitation of cows.
https://ria.ru/20190912/1558584132.html

... with the matyugalnik, it’s a senator and a presidential candidate. And she is dumber than Sobchak and Sable combined.
And even more fun, as the other day homosexuals in Boston with komunyakami grappled)))

[LON]

Quote: Egor53

It’s also worth adding that 14% of adult Americans don’t know how to read and write,

Another propaganda heard enough. Give a link to the UN. In America, 9 million people do not understand English at all. This is not because they are stupid, but because 34 million Mexicans live in the country. More than 28 million people speak Spanish, without which Florida, Texas and California can not accept work. About 900 thousand communicate in Russian. Mexicans in the southern states who read Spanish fluently, Russians from Brighton Beach who write in Russian, Indians from reservations who know their language. And perhaps for such categories of people, the fact that they do not know how to read English is not so critical.

[Axel Pervolianinen]

Unfortunately, this is not propaganda .... Many of our friends who went to study for exchange in higher educational institutions speak of a very low level of general education .... Humorous "sketches" that Americans are sure that we always have snow and bears walk the streets - it's true. One friend was just asked a question, are you very cold in winter ????

[LON]

One more seen enough. Here is the evidence for you that the level of education in different countries is not graded on the OBS scale, as you reason. PISA (Program for International Student Assessment) is an international comparative study of the quality of education, which assesses the knowledge and skills of schoolchildren at the age of 15 years. It, first of all, assesses the ability of students to be guided common sense and logic when performing non-standard tasks. In this regard, we can say that PISA is following modern educational trends, because the ability of students to apply school knowledge in life is the most important aspect of functional literacy and skills of the XNUMXst century. " https://fioco.ru/results_pisa_2015

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Egor53

It should also be added that 14% of adult Americans do not know how to read and write

Bah! Yes, we also got a handicap. Not only that in Russia, some students can not show on the map the city where the Battle of Stalingrad took place and ceased to understand the indefinite form of the perfect and imperfect verb (like adults), do you still have to forget the letters?

[WIKI]

Quote: RWMos

US population - about 46 million - below the poverty line

If we compare the poverty rate of Russia 12,9%, the United States 12,3%. It seems the numbers are the same. Only these figures are calculated in different ways. "In the OECD and EU countries, an alternative concept is used - relative poverty, in which incomes are measured against their median value. Disposable income is used as a threshold, which is 60% of the national median income. If Russia switched to such a measurement system, the poverty level would increase would be up to 21,3%. " Therefore, there is no need to emphasize that they have more poor people than we do.

[GibSoN]

Therefore, it is not necessary to emphasize that they have more poor than ours.

And to everyone who tried to communicate with the author of this post above. No need to feed the trolls, especially those on the payroll. Obviously the same. Read his comments on various topics and pay attention to the degree of preparation and argumentation of the answers. In general, your business.

[Voyager]

Powerfully the Chinese threw on a fan))

[dmitrii1885]

So we are talking about the USSR and their Navy. What the hell to drag here the United States. sweeps or what?

[sagitch]

About medical care, the poor are like in Russia. And the Hollywood "parasites" - they EARNED for the mansions (though they did, they did), but Russia - the real parasites who robbed the state and its people.

[signifera]

I sympathize with the Americans. And they to us? We have a percentage of the lack of medical care will be higher, and the one that is is very ineffective. Only in a private clinic for serious money can you heal. And not everyone has this money. Officials and businessmen do not buy planes and yachts from us? How many millions do we have below the poverty line? Only our trait is much lower than the American one, their poor man lives better than ours. Yes, and on the mansions we do not really give in, if we give in. Probably, it’s not a public debt))) and they are not very worried about him. Well, I wouldn’t be worried about a huge public debt, if our economy were at least half American, and the standard of living was the same, half would be enough

[Looking for]

well, if something happens, they will go to war with Russia and on modern weapons. and you will hide in the forests from the call. and those. few. who will go to war. will be on the old to fight. because you lost everything. that made you Russian. . "Russians" You have betrayed the Russian Donbass. You are being slaughtered by the Gentiles. and you "lisp" with the liberals and look in the ass of all who are not lazy-Americans. Evropeytsam.

[Saul_Rhen]

Why is your stream of consciousness here? Minus

[Bossota]

But wasn’t it easier to give a link to the information than to clutter the VO?

[neri73-r]

The article was written in military style degenerate - the goat has four legs, so the pig grunts!

[Nycomed]

That's right, heaped everything together! So delicious!

[VVAUSH]

And who is to blame? Drowned Dock?

[Kontrik]

Quote: Designer 68

Svarog will appear an hour later and for 100500 comments will open the discussion that everything is gone, Putin is to blame. That's all you need to know. Amen

Pension is small and generally raised the retirement age ...
And if you stop the production of missiles and ships, then how many pensioners could be saved from starvation ... hehe ..
That's the whole answer to the Chinese Svarog, you’ll answer everything .. The Chinese contact him! (Joke, but with a hint ..)

[lopvlad]

Quote: Kontrik

And if you stop the production of rockets and ships, then how many pensioners could be saved from starvation ... hehe.

and if socialism is returned, then it would be possible to rivet aircraft carriers faster than China and at the same time lower the retirement age.
As for the Chinese, let them change their financial system, carry out privatization, and then not only will the aircraft carriers build, but even there will be nothing to feed them with their population.

[AU Ivanov.]

And at the same time amicably stand in line for sausage and other goods.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

And at the same time amicably stand in line for sausage

Four. Who lacked the sausage ..

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: AS Ivanov.

And at the same time amicably stand in line for sausage

Four. Who lacked the sausage ..

Yes, she was not at all! Meat by coupons, butter by coupons, milk by appointment, Refrigerator by turn after two or three years. Good color TV by recording. Queue for years. On free sale only black and white records .. Phone on the bluat. . Maybe you were sitting on the distribution of goods .. Commodity expert! Then, yes ... Like cheese in butter ... ..

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: 30 vis

but she was not at all! Meat by coupons, butter by coupons, milk by appointment, Refrigerator by turns after two or three years. Good color TV by recording. Queue for years. On free sale only black and white records .. Phone on the bluat.

Take turns
They drank milk ...

Quote: 30 vis

Good color TV for recording. Queue for years. On free sale

Oops! We stood in the store freely.

[Town Hall]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Oops! We stood in the store freely

At a price of 800 re for salaries 120 / 150

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Town Hall

about the price of xnum re

And how to evaluate? Well, I got a platoon at 95

[lopvlad]

Quote: Town Hall

At a price of 800 re

well, tvs were not cheap at that time around the world, and even in the USA, color tvs could not afford the price. The truth was, it cost not 80 re but a little more than 600 re. It’s certainly expensive, but for example the same harvester at the end of summer I received 2000 - 2500 rubles, and a teacher with experience working at full time received 300 rubles a month, and you could buy it by installments without any interest. Again, if you got your hands from where you grow on the same covens, you could raise real money and no one demanded that you unfasten the state with this money.

[Sergej1972]

In my opinion, brigades of otkhodniks, "shabashniks" paid some kind of income tax.

[lopvlad]

Quote: Sergej1972

some kind of income tax was paid

paid nothing. The entire amount for which I agreed with the owner went completely in your pocket.
In the USSR, they did not fight with the working people, but only with speculators of the products of other people's labor. In modern Russia, usurers and speculators are given state support and three skins are torn off the working people.

[IgorIP]

Yeah ... you probably don’t know what the phrase “struggle against unearned income” meant in the USSR. When the whole team could be requested to be copied, all the tools and money should be taken away. Simple so, for which they tried to earn even a little bit. So in the USSR they did not fight with the “working people”. So leave this crap about the fabulous conditions in the country of the Soviets.

[free]

Quote: IgorIP

Yeah ... you probably don’t know what the phrase “struggle against unearned income” meant in the USSR. When the whole team could be requested to be copied, all the tools and money should be taken away. Simple so, for which they tried to earn even a little bit. So in the USSR they did not fight with the “working people”. So leave this crap about the fabulous conditions in the country of the Soviets.

So you call to leave everything as it is? Are you one of those that crouched at the trough in a single rush?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: IgorIP

When the whole team could be requested to be copied, all the tools and money should be taken away. Simple so, for which they tried to earn even a little bit.

Are you talking about shabashnikov, or what?

[Sergej1972]

Obviously, about unofficial "shabashniki". Nobody touched the "Shabashnikov" who made contracts with enterprises, collective farms, state farms. It was possible to earn good money by Soviet standards. For city dwellers, it was a way to earn extra money, most often while on vacation. And for the inhabitants of the regions with a surplus of labor (Transcaucasia, the North Caucasus, Zakapatya, Bukovina, Volhynia), this was often the main labor activity. Central Asia was also abundant in labor. But, unlike Caucasians and Ukrainians, Central Asians did not differ in particular mobility in Soviet times, so there were relatively few of them in the brigades of migrant workers.

[Sofievka]

I would like to remember about student brigades, in Surgut they built a road, a thousand and a half in a month and a half, back and forth by Aeroflot, I will not say anything about hungry youth, in the army they ate buckwheat every other day

[Sergej1972]

This struggle was in the nature of periodic campaigns. But actually the brigades of migrants officially existed, and their activities were not considered unearned. The main thing is that all documents are correctly and officially executed.

[region58]

Quote: IgorIP

what did the phrase “struggle with unearned income” mean in the USSR

By and large, in this way they fought against speculators and thieves. All other types of earnings could be formalized by law. There were, of course, "excesses on the ground" - as without it ... However, there was much to complain about.

Quote: IgorIP

leave this crap about the fabulous conditions in the country of the Soviets

There was no fairy tale. It was a past. The country is large, it happened in different ways, one thing I can say for sure - they certainly would not have been allowed to die under the fence.

[Sergej1972]

My father worked as a director of a state farm and quite formally entered into civil contracts on the performance of work on the construction and repair of farms and other facilities, repair of grain flow, etc. with brigades of migrant workers from the Caucasus, from Transcarpathia. There were also Russian brigades, mostly factory engineers, technicians, workers and even administrative workers who worked part-time during their holidays. Or contracts were concluded with teams from Volyn and Chernivtsi region on weeding sugar beet. And these contracts were checked by the regulatory authorities. You, obviously, are talking about "other, unofficial" shabashki ", when services were provided by some private individuals to other individuals. But in general," shabashniks "were usually called workers of the brigades who worked under contracts in collective and state farms, on other objects. artel labor activity.
In principle, "shabashniki" can be called some figures of cinema and variety art, who in the 60s-80s. officially worked under one-time contracts, paid tax, and at the same time did not work under the Labor Code on a permanent job in theaters or at film studios. So, for example, the actor Mikhail Nozhkin made a living.

[Town Hall]

Quote: lopvlad

a harvester at the end of the summer received 2000 - 2500 rubles and a teacher with full-time experience received 300 rubles a month,

Do not tell anyone these tales.

[Nycomed]

In fact, these are not quite tales. On the collective farm, combine harvesters, tractor-machine operators during sowing and harvesting could well earn 2000r / month. True, they plowed at this time, almost around the clock, and ate and slept in the field. But the rest of the time - З / П 120р / мес. and repair of equipment. I’ll also say about teachers: my Mom worked as a teacher, but for some reason they were not enough and I had to take 1,5 bids, or even all 2, plus a cool teacher. She received 300-350 r / month. A vacation to 1200r. The teachers had a long vacation, at least 48 days. But, at the same time, she left for work (to school) by 8 a.m. and returned after 7 p.m., on one day off (Sunday), and even then, not always, because class teachers obliged her to go somewhere with her class (movies, exhibitions, theaters, trips, etc.) so that she simply slept for 2 hours every day for the first 16 weeks of her vacation.

[Town Hall]

Quote: Nycomed

In fact, these are not quite tales. On the collective farm, combine harvesters, tractor-mechanics during sowing and harvesting could well earn 2000r / month

Listen. Why are you writing this? I can understand 200/300 rubles. Indeed, they raised such money a month. But that would be 2000 for a month of work ... the combine has a day (even if you fantasize that the month did not sleep at all) - also 24 hours per day. Adults like people damn it.

[Nycomed]

What I witnessed in the 80s, I write about that.

[Sergej1972]

There was a different form of remuneration, which depended directly on both working time and the quantity of threshed grain. It was considered a good way to make a job as a combine harvester for the harvesting period. Not only full-time tractor drivers worked on combines, but also teachers and others during the holidays. Some employees of enterprises and institutions from district centers, even at the time of the harvest, took leave at their own expense. Lack of payment at the main job was compensated by earnings at the harvest. Naturally, if these people had the appropriate clearance. By the way, there were also beet harvesters. About 2 thousand. Not sure, but 800-1000 rubles. making money was quite real. Plus, you could get grain at the expense of payment. And many teenagers moonlighted as assistants to combine operators. They, of course, were paid much less, but all the same for the teenagers the amounts were not bad. Another form of part-time job is working on current. Both teenagers and pensioners were engaged in it.

[Sergej1972]

These are not tales. My father at the state farm had an advanced tractor driver who worked on an energy-saturated tractor K-701. Together with bonuses, his monthly salary ranged from 500 to 800 rubles, which in the first half of the 80s. it was good money. The farm director had a lower salary. Well-earned truck crane operators. Their official salary was also high, and they had the opportunity to work informally. In rural areas, these truck cranes felt their importance, this was noticeable from the behavior.) As for teacher salaries, it seems to me that they were still less than 300 rubles. Not in vain during the discussion of the school reform of 1984, much was said about the increase in the prestige of teacher work, and the increase in teacher salaries. And it was said openly, even before the start of restructuring and publicity. So the problem existed. In my opinion, in the region of 300 rubles, a teacher could receive a month rather in the late 80s and early 90s. But then, Soviet rubles began to depreciate.

[Town Hall]

Quote: Sergej1972

Together with bonuses, his monthly salary ranged from 500 to 800 rubles, which in the first half of the 80s. it was good money.

For that period it was crazy money. Neither academics, nor astronauts, nor generals, nor top party officials received such money. If you claim that the state farm tractor driver received such amounts, I can only shrug

[Sergej1972]

The best tractor driver of the region, an advanced worker who worked on the K-701 tractor. He died then tragically. But, as Kanevsky says, this is another story.
My relatives worked in the mines of Donbass, in the North (Pevek and Magadan), including in the gold mining artel. Salaries were comparable to the salary of this tractor driver. Which, I emphasize, was an editorial, plus this is the sum of his solid salary and monthly and annual bonuses. As far as I know, he received 800 rubles once a year, in the remaining months 500 rubles. plus or minus 50 rubles. Most of his colleagues received, of course, more modest amounts. Well, and so, on state farms, wages have always been higher compared to collective farms.
By the way, the director of the farm in the mid-80s. for the successes of his farm, he could also receive a very good one-time bonus for an order for an agricultural association. From 500 to 1500 rubles. Moreover, the salary was not the smallest by rural standards.

[Nycomed]

A worker specializing in exploration and production drilling for oil and gas in the 80s earned an average of 550-700 rubles per month, an assistant driller - at least 350 rubles per month. And this is on the "Big Land", and in the Far North, taking into account the regional coefficient - 70% and with all the "polar" + another 80%, the salary reached 1500-2000r / month. I just started working as a "pombour" at the age of 20, my first salary was 330 rubles. My father, at the same time, while working as a chief project engineer at one plant, received 280r / month.

[Town Hall]

Writing "in the 80s" is nonsense. 81st and 89th are two different eras for the Soviet economy. I will repeat. Years like this, a galloping increase in salaries began by 88th. Only it was no longer real money and candy wrappers were nothing secured.Inflation in a dying ekonomika.i seriously consider those salaries, project them onto the "real ussr" and present them as a fact is (self) deception.
Secondly, in the USSR it was possible to find some special cases or "narrow" specialties that, in special conditions - the extreme north, shifts, irregular working hours, etc. - earned a lot. But these "scanty" exceptions in the scale of the 280 million population do not affect nothing to the real situation of 90% of the population who were interrupted by salaries in the range of 80-150 re

[Nycomed]

"Galloping salary growth" began in 1991. and not before. Only then did the tariff scales change. And there was an increase in wages in all areas of the then "national" economy. And to "interrupt" or not, it was a personal matter for everyone. For example, I didn't want to go to the factory every day for 220-250 rubles. and went to the oilmen. The work is much harder, but the money is good, and besides, there is a shift: you work for 4 days, and you don't work for 4 days. And not any working Saturdays, subbotniks, no one drives you to any demonstrations, there are no Komsomol and trade union meetings. Lafa, in a word, just stick like the damned and that's it, but there is a reason. A 120-150r. I got it at the age of 17, as soon as after graduation I got a job at a factory as an apprentice of a turner.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Town Hall

At a price of 800 re for salaries 120 / 150

I have a dad - a locksmith, 250 received, a new TV (Horizon) calmly bought. And how much was Japanese? In the middle of the 90's, Sharpe bought for a million eight hundred and fifty, so my mother received 20 thousand at that time.

[Town Hall]

But my dad, the builder on the collective farm received 70 re. And half of the population of the USSR who worked in the village received so much. 3 p 20 kopecks for a working day they paid.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Town Hall

And I have Dad the builder on the collective farm 70 re

Here it is not necessary to lie. APO Novomoskovsk, all 80 went to Starodubtsev’s economy. The 350 combiners were paid.

[Town Hall]

Was there a collective farm of continuous combine harvesters? Or klmbayner-10 people from hundreds and thousands of workers on the farm? . And how many months a year have these mind-blowing combiners received? Or harvesting in the suburbs-12 months a year? How much the combine harvester received the remaining 11 months? And so that 1 month in a year the combine harvester would receive a salary for which it would be possible to buy 1/3 of a color TV that broke in two weeks and then regularly carry it on the bedspread to the telemaster — he had to work that month when the harvest was 24 hours a day.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Town Hall

How much did the combine harvester receive the remaining 11 months?

Two hundred each. I speak for APO Novomoskovskoe.

Quote: Town Hall

which broke in two weeks

The horizon was bought in the year by the 85, in the 94 the uncle was given. Over 9 years it broke once, even though it was used both in the tail and in the mane. The same Sharp broke for 10 years once.

Quote: Town Hall

Was there a collective farm of continuous combine harvesters?

No, however. When we went to apples, we received for fifty dollars in two weeks. And on potatoes in general for free. Well, a bucket of potatoes was taken away with them on the day.

[Town Hall]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Two hundred each. I speak for APO "Novomoskovskoe

Let's not. 11 months a year, this mythical oligarch combiner who, in mythology about the Soviet past, raised his salary as an academician or commander of a nuclear submarine, an ordinary tractor driver with a salary of 80/90 re. All in oil and fuel oil).

Quote: Mordvin 3

Horizon bought in the 85th year, in the 94th uncle gave. For 9 years, broke once

Yes yes yes. The Soviet color TV is still a miracle of technology. After a couple of months of operation, the entire screen is either blue or green).

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Town Hall

ordinary tractor driver on a salary of 80 / 90 re. All in oil and fuel oil).

Do not zvizdit. Maybe you got 80-90, but in our 86 year we got two hundred.

Quote: Town Hall

Soviet color TV is still a miracle of technology. After a couple of months of operation, the entire screen is either blue or green).

Again. When I bought a video camera in 94 and Sharp's TV set, I decided to compare. They were no different in quality. "Universal soldier" stuck. Didn't there be a remote control, I hesitated to stick a fishing rod over the buttons and shoot from the air.

[Town Hall]

Watch out for expressions. This is first. Secondly, what is the state of equality if for the same work on one collective farm a person gets 70 re and in another 200?) Even with the wildest capitalism you won’t find such chaos

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Town Hall

Watch out for expressions.

C'mon, don't be offended.

Quote: Town Hall

Secondly, what kind of state of equal rights is it if for one and the same job a person receives 70 re and in another-200?) Even with the wildest capitalism you won’t find such chaos

Oh la! Even as we find. I worked in a construction site in the middle of zero in Moscow. Muscovites were paid 20 thousand, 15 for us, and 10 for Uzbeks. For the same job.
And now. My sister, a nurse, receives 18 thousand, and my aunt in Moscow, a nurse, receives 80 thousand.
How to object?

[Cat man null]

Quote: Mordvin 3

My sister, a nurse, receives 18 thousand, and my aunt in Moscow, a nurse, receives 80 thousand.
How to object?

1. There are different nurses. Aunt, IMHO, higher qualifications.
2. In Moscow, only one road to work "eat" five a month, maybe you do not know? I know from myself - it's easy
3. ... (continue the sequence). It’s not bad to live in Moscow (I don’t know. I haven’t tried it. I live ... nearby), but it’s very expensive ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Cat Man Null

Aunt, IMHO, higher qualifications.

Yes figs.

Quote: Cat Man Null

In Moscow, only one road to work "eat" five a month, maybe you do not know?

I know. 850 rubles ticket from us is on the bus. Against 4 ruble 25 cents on a train to the USSR. Often walked, hung out ...

Quote: Cat Man Null

but - very expensive ...

Yeah, I somehow compared the housing and communal services in Moscow and here. And a little added. It turns out that for many items our prices are higher than in Moscow.

[AU Ivanov.]

Multiply 4,25 by 200 (the approximate exchange rate of the Soviet ruble to the Russian 1: 200) and get the same 850.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

Multiply 4,25 by 200 (the approximate exchange rate of the Soviet ruble to the Russian 1: 200) and get the same 850.

The scholarship in my techie today is 820 rubles. I received 30 plus food coupons - 15 rubles. Will we continue to compare?

[AU Ivanov.]

In my bursa, the scholarship was 45 rubles. Now - 10000. You can compare.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

Now is 10000.

Is everyone getting paid?
And then my niece is constantly extorting money. She receives one scholarship, all other neighbors in 90 thousand pay. In year.

[Sergej1972]

If you live in Moscow in a residential area, in an ordinary typical house, and visit ordinary shops, then the cost of food, for example, is not higher than in the provinces.

[Sergej1972]

Under Stalin, the difference was even greater, with the system of workdays. An advanced worker on a lagging collective farm could receive several times less inferior worker on an advanced collective farm. Because both individual indicators and indicators of the whole economy were taken into account. The principle of collective solidarity. After the cancellation of workdays, under Brezhnev, the size of the difference decreased. But, nevertheless, in different collective farms the payment for the same labor was very different, although there was a guaranteed minimum. But on state farms, wages were unified. The salaries are the same, but in advanced state farms they paid a higher bonus in addition to the salary. But in the lagging state farm at times there could be no prize at all.

[Town Hall]

I'm afraid that you have very vague ideas about the wage system under Brezhnev or under Stalin. You describe some kind of fantastic system in which there were some "individual" indicators ... are you sure about the USSR and socialism?)

[Sergej1972]

Yes, the son and relative of both managers and ordinary farm workers do not understand the wage system in agriculture during the Soviet period.) I try to objectively assess the situation. For example, I do not hide that my grandmother received a pension of 8, and then 12 rubles for a long time. Because a collective farmer, in the first place. And secondly, because she raised seven children and therefore had a short working experience.
Don't you know anything about the workday system? Every collective farmer until the mid-60s. had to work out a certain number of workdays, "sticks", as they were called. It was impossible below a certain minimum. A production leader could sometimes earn two or three workdays a day. And sometimes, if the work was low-intensity, or there were complaints about the quality of the work, the collective farmer could get one workday for two or three days of work. At the end of the year, the number of workdays for each collective farmer was summed up. The one who, for example, had one and a half times more workdays than a neighbor, and received one and a half times more in cash and in the form of payment in kind. But payment for workdays was made from the profits of the collective farm. A millionaire collective farm could give out more money and payment in kind for one workday, one and a half to two times more than the "middle peasant" collective farm (of which there were a majority) and several times more in comparison with the lagging collective farm. That is, the collective farmer's income depended both on the number of workdays he had and on the fullness of one workday. Therefore, the average worker on a strong collective farm could receive much more than a leader on a lagging farm. The latter could have had a lot of workdays, but they were poorly provided. This system began to be modernized under Khrushchev, when the monthly advance payments to collective farmers were introduced, which is very small. And under Brezhnev, in the mid-60s, the workday system was abolished, replacing it with a guaranteed monthly wage (with an optional bonus to the best collective farmers) plus annual remuneration. The system of workdays has survived in individual collective farms, which is interesting, in the most advanced ones. In state farms, both under Stalin and under subsequent leaders, there was a guaranteed monthly wage, with the possibility of bonuses. And it largely depended on the individual achievements of the state farm worker. That is, a good tractor driver in both unprofitable and advanced state farms received the same salary. With good individual indicators, both of them could receive an award. True, in an advanced state farm the prize could be much higher. That is, there was some dependence on the results of the work of the state farm as a whole. The situation was the same at industrial enterprises.
When in the 70-80s. They began to propagate the brigade contract with its labor participation coefficient (KTU) and the dependence of wages both on individual results and on the results of the brigade's work as a whole, but at a new level, although this was not advertised, they used the idea of ​​previous collective farm workdays in a modernized and complicated version .
On the contrary, I am surprised that you do not know the generally known, in my opinion, facts about the wage system on collective farms. After all, much was said about problems in this area in Soviet journalism. For example, in the early 50s. in the famous artistic and publicistic "District weekdays" Ovechkin.

[Town Hall]

It is clear. Another theoretician of the Soviet collective farm of a bright past. I wish you to work for the collective farm workdays and then talk. If you do not die of hunger)

[Sergej1972]

I do not say anything about the bright past. For the most part, collective farmers until the beginning of the 50s. lived very poorly. From the beginning of the 50s to the mid-60s it was simply poor but still better. I judge this even from photographs of my relatives. But some lived very poorly, others simply poorly, and some were a little better. There were those who lived well then, but there were a minority. Since the mid 60's. most collective farmers began to live tolerably, and some were quite prosperous. And the share of the well-to-do in the 70-80s was constantly growing. Moreover, a lot depended on the region of residence, and on the business qualities of the local party-Soviet authorities, on the management of farms. Don't you get it? I just explained to you the essence of the workdays system.
And yes, I have most of my relatives (both my mother and father are from large rural families, though they themselves did not continue this tradition, limiting myself to my sister) still live in the countryside.
I think it’s time to stop the discussion on this issue in this thread.) I'm afraid that the site’s moderators will complain to me about lengthy comments that have nothing to do with 9 aircraft carriers of the USSR.)

[Town Hall]

Quote: Sergej1972

I just explained to you the essence of the workdays system.

The essence of the workdays system is slave free labor for food. As long as it existed:

Quote: Sergej1972

For the most part, collective farmers until the beginning of the 50s. lived very poorly

And you are trying to present it as the basis of some incredible salaries of tractor drivers)

[Sergej1972]

I do not protect the workdays system. Although in gold mining cooperatives it was used with success until recently. Or maybe they’re using it now. The salary of a state farm (not collective farm) tractor driver, the best in the area, exemplary, activist, taking into account all the bonuses. Such, of course, were a minority, but they were. What does the system of workdays have to do with it that has never been used on state farms? Read carefully.
Taking into account the post-war devastation, taking into account the priority development of heavy industry to the detriment of agriculture and the light and food industries, with the level of mandatory state deliveries established for collective farms, with the level of payment for MTS services by collective farms, and even taking into account mandatory in-kind supplies from each collective farm yard, and even taking into account the taxation of fruit trees, collective farmers for the most part in the early 50's. they had to live poorly, with a system of workdays, with piecework, with time, and with any other.)) And with normal financing of agriculture, with a tax burden, with a normal material and technical base, with developed infrastructure, collective farmers and with a system of workdays, they would live well.

[Sofievka]

1986 - foreman, salary 160, at the end of the year, 3600 + apples 3-4 tons came out on the earned ruble, in the spring he took it to the miners, salary in the brigade 150-200, machine operators-200, the combine operators are always honored and respected, a new car, carpets , TVs, vouchers, but hard work, the deputy of the harvesting detachment worked, like a "battle for the harvest"

[Sergej1972]

I don’t know where you come from. It seems to me, judging by the nickname, that of Moldova. In the late 70s and early 80s, teams of migrants from Moldova, Transcarpathia, Transcaucasia and the North Caucasus came to the regions of Central Russia. They were engaged in the construction of rural infrastructure, concluded contracts with the boards of collective farms and the administrations of state farms. And you could make good money.

[Town Hall]

It was possible. Just as now you can scaffold and earn much more than the 15/20 .000 that the majority receive. But it’s about a supposedly Soviet paradise in which type awesome salaries. In fact, in the village, the salary of 90% of people was 70/80 rubles and pensions of 40/50

[Sergej1972]

I don’t know, in the 80s. 70 rub was considered a very low salary. It was necessary to leave this collective farm.

[Town Hall]

Where?) Is it that in the open spaces of internet forums where nostalgians talk about tractor drivers with the salaries of academicians and teachers with 300 ruble salaries)
And in the real USSR, 70/80 rubles is the normal wage in the village until 86/87. Then the salaries began to grow, but these were already drawn candy wrappers for which nothing could be bought. Yes, and those comrade Pavlov took out in the 90th year
PySy: By the way, the collective farm was advanced and prosperous. Millionaire, as they said then.

[Sergej1972]

If not a secret, nevertheless in what region of the USSR? At least in what union republic? In our republics, the situation was very different, and even in the regions within the large union republics. Collective farmers in Georgia or the Krasnodar Territory, to put it mildly, were more prosperous in Brezhnev's times compared to collective farmers from the Smolensk, Pskov or Kostroma regions. And the collective farmers of the Lipetsk and Kursk regions lived on average somewhat better than the collective farmers of the Oryol region. But there were differences both within the regions, and even between the farms of one region.

[Town Hall]

Of course, it’s not a secret Moldova. And it was still good with us. Dad shook a lot on the USSR-poverty in comparison with Moldova. Especially for the Urals

[Sergej1972]

I think that in Novosibirsk, Krasnoyarsk, Sverdlovsk people on average lived no worse than in Moldova. Or in the Tyumen region (Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug and Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug), or in the Far North, where in the 70-80s. people from all over the USSR, including Moldavians, went to work. By the way, in the Altai Territory and the Novosibirsk Region at that time there were very strong, prosperous collective farms and state farms. Although there were many lagging behind. Or did he compare the countryside of Moldova with the countryside of other regions?
So, he still tried to change something in life, if he wandered around the Union. He was clearly trying to get out of this collective farm.
And now, when acquaintances talk about Moldova, they say that it is poverty in comparison with the major cities of Russia, not only Moscow and St. Petersburg.

[Town Hall]

He compared the standard of living of a Moldovan village with a Russian village. On average, it was much better in a Moldovan village. And now, by the way, too.
Of course I tried to live better. Like any normal person at all times. Engaged, as they said, speculation) .... Pears in the Baltic states, apples in Saratov, garlic and nuts in Nizhny Tagil)

[dima314]

Yes, the Town Hall, it is clear where the voice is coming from). From 1984 to 1987, I also worked as a power engineer at the Kolkhozzhivprom industry. My salary is 140 + 40%, as it were, not much, but the collective farm, and therefore at the end of the year, could get 300 kg of grain and maybe 10 liters of sunflower oil) There was also a garden and there grew potatoes that they could not beat in winter. I also wrote out feed and there were 50 broilers and 2 boars. Once it was necessary to change the equipment and I wrote an outfit, gave a chord and after work we worked hard and got 300 rubles each. The meat could be bought at 1k 10 kopecks officially, but in the end received 30 kopecks due to minor fraud). The collective farm was unprofitable and all accounts were blocked, and only current expenses were allowed to be paid, and therefore the barter was illegal, but effective. My electricians, I don’t remember how much they received, but they built houses and bought cars - they just stole everything from the fields, raised animals and fed and sold.
But at the calf rearing, the girls under the contract undertook to get the necessary gain and, working normally, received 300-350 per month in total. Were anyone getting a little? There were ... a night watchman who stole and drank received little. Everyone who wanted to work and had a normal life lived with us, although they plowed and this is true.
By the way, the prize for the best combine harvester of the region was ... a car ..)

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Take turns
They drank milk ...
Quote: 30 vis
Good color TV for recording. Queue for years. On free sale

Oops! We stood in the store freely.

got it. At the trading base ..

[Oleg Zorin]

Where do you have it? We did not stand in the mound. And milk, if you haven’t bought it before 10, then you won’t buy it.

[lopvlad]

Quote: Oleg Zorin

And milk, if you haven’t bought it before 10, then you won’t buy it.

in containers (in bottles and triangular bags) stood freely and could be bought during the day. But where they sold on bottling, bringing straight from the local dairy flasks were naturally taken apart until 10 in the morning, since it was without preservatives and if it stood before evenings while you would deign to buy it would be stupidly sour.
As far as I remember, the housewives bought draft milk and immediately went home with him and boiled so as not to turn sour.
It’s now under the guise of milk they sell garbage whose shelf life is six months, so apparently oncology Russia is confidently walking in the lead.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: lopvlad

in containers (in bottles and triangular bags) stood freely and could be bought during the day.

My grandmother was selling goat milk at a state price. 28 kopecks, like, per liter.

[Oleg Zorin]

I do not know how it was with you. Until 1982, the supply of the family with milk was on me. And I do not suffer from memory lapses yet. In 1982 I went to study in another city and milk became on my drum - I do not drink it.

[Sergej1972]

In Orel, milk could always be bought without a queue, there were no problems with it even at the height of perestroika. Sometimes, as a student, I bought a bottle of milk or kefir and a loaf, and enough for a day.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Oleg Zorin

Where do you have it?

Tula region. At least two models were constantly standing.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: 30 vis

The refrigerator takes turns in two to three years. Good color TV by recording. Queue for years. On free sale only black and white records .. Phone on the bluat.

Are you a miracle in nature? Black and white ..

[Xnumx vis]

I didn’t drink at the Brudershaft ... I’m asking you not to poke! Stop mowing under the mentally retarded giraffe.

[lucul]

Yes, she was not at all! Meat by coupons, butter by coupons, milk by appointment, Refrigerator by turn after two or three years. Good color TV by recording. Queue for years. On free sale only black and white records .. Phone on the bluat. hi. Maybe you were sitting on the distribution of goods .. Commodity expert! feel fellow Then, yes ... Like cheese in butter ... .. laughing

Yeah, only all the warehouses were crammed to the brim with products, and nothing was shipped to stores.

[lopvlad]

Quote: 30 vis

Meat by coupons, butter by coupons, milk by appointment

this is already at the end of perestroika in the late 80s, and even that milk was without coupons.

[

Quote: 30 vis

Good color TV by recording. Queue for years. On free sale only black and white records

nefig similar. By recording for TV did not stand. Everything was according to the principle of "who got up first and the sneakers", namely, it was necessary to quickly buy immediately after bringing it to the store. For they scattered them like hot cakes and if they did not have time, then even "black and White records "cannot be bought. After the delivery, they were sold out instantly in a few days, as well as sets of plastic" soldiers "(Indians," cowboys ", pirates, Vikings, Romans, etc.).
By appointment, there were only cars and sewing machines.

Quote: 30 vis

Phone on doom

I had to run behind the phone, but it’s understandable (it’s not a cellular connection but a wired one)

[IgorIP]

Yeah, only cars and sewing machines ... I remember my grandfather “lucky”, because he was a war veteran, he was allowed to buy supportive !! A washing machine after only 5 years in line. Baby! And of course, the famous “veteran sets” made from a stick of smoked sausage and a couple of cans of sprat. Lepota!

[polar fox]

Quote: IgorIP

well, only cars and sewing machines ... I remember my grandfather “lucky”, because he was a war veteran, he was allowed to buy supportive !! Washing machines

you are lying after all! you are brazenly lying ... they gave my grandfather a car, he didn’t take it, “I didn’t fight for a car.” the second, ka honored teacher in the village, got a car. in 75, 03 VAZ. lived with your country?

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: IgorIP

Yeah, only cars and sewing machines ... I remember my grandfather “lucky”, because he was a war veteran, he was allowed to buy supportive !! A washing machine after only 5 years in line. Baby! And of course, the famous “veteran sets” made from a stick of smoked sausage and a couple of cans of sprat. Lepota!

Probably they lived in another country, .. Or they do not want to remember the truth .. It was not possible to buy a normal quality TV, a washing machine, a refrigerator, shoes, things, food, a car, from the word in general .. It was possible to buy by overpaying, by pull, if distribution of the "deficit" at enterprises, military units, institutes ... Only "to the foremost workers (informers and saints) only the right people ... They do not want to remember the bad ... They hide like an ostrich-Head in the sand, then ...-out" .. Probably forgotten the "grocery sets" of a can of instant coffee (crappy quality), and a load of galoshes ..! Or a stick of smoked sausage, and the batteries are loaded with Leaky, soggy ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: 30 vis

It wasn’t normal quality to buy a TV, a washing machine, a refrigerator, shoes, things, products, a car, from the word in general .. You could buy it by overpaying,

In, you breach! When I bought a Japanese video recorder and telly in the middle of the 90's, the first thing I did was compare how it shows with Horizon. I didn’t see any difference. What did you overpay there? Refrigerators were jam-packed in the store.

[Cat man null]

Quote: Mordvin 3

In, you breach! When i bought in the middle of 90's... Refrigerators stood in the store

Vladimir, reduce the glow ... in the middle of the 90's - yes, they stood. Before that - it was exactly as the comrade writes Xnumx vis.

I judge about Moscow and parts of the Moscow region, of course, maybe somewhere there was something. Nafig in this place nobody needs (the planned distribution system in action, oga).

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Cat Man Null

in the middle of 90's - yes, they stood. Before that - it was exactly as the comrade 30 vis writes.

Nifiga like that. Often I went to the store, well, there to buy electrical tape, light bulbs, so the refrigerators stood in rows. This is in the first half of 80's.
But in the middle of the 90's we were given refrigerators at the enterprise on credit. ZIL branch, if that.
And all the time I was looking at a drilling machine in 80, I still regret that I did not buy it. 29 rubles worth. Well, damn it, I feel sorry for you, you stupid, you had to spend a flock on him.

[AU Ivanov.]

What refrigerators? Shitty "Sviyaga", "Absheron", "Saratov". Yes, they did. "ZIL", "Minsk", "Polyus" were on record. And this is in Leningrad.

[Mordvin 3]

Just "Polyus" was bought in 85 = th year. Without any entry.

[Sergej1972]

Refrigerators were of Soviet normal quality, not such an overly complicated product. Many are still in working condition. Shoes were often made of good leather, but to put it mildly, not very fashionable.)

[Sergej1972]

Even Hungarian canned meat products were often included in the veteran set, very tasty.)

[dima314]

Strange everyone here writes. In 1985, approximately when the hunchbacked man was already voting all over the country, I signed up and bought a two-chamber refrigerator and minimal furniture in my new apartment, which I received after 1 year of waiting. I was just a visiting specialist at an enterprise under construction, and then acceleration and reconstruction and housing were built. Yes, I had to run around or sign up for a queue, but I bought and emphasize that a hunchback has already come. And cars like Muscovites and Cossacks stood in rows and nobody bought.

[AU Ivanov.]

The reason for the deficit is the planned distribution system of the economy. Generated by communist power.

[free]

Quote: AU Ivanov.

The reason for the deficit is the planned distribution system of the economy. Generated by communist power.

And if in more detail, with justification, can you?

[Sergej1972]

In Kadar and Tito, Hungary and Yugoslavia had communist power, but there was no shortage.

[AU Ivanov.]

I can’t say anything about Hungary, and the Yugoslavs had a decent sector of private enterprises. Apparently, therefore, they did not have deficits, unlike us.

[Sergej1972]

In Hungary, there were also private enterprises, and the cooperative sector was especially developed. But in Hungary and Yugoslavia, state-owned enterprises had greater freedom of economic activity compared to Soviet ones, they could independently manage a significant part of the profit left after tax.
But in the Polish People's Republic there was also a significant private and cooperative sector, and most of the peasants were single-handed. But at the same time, there was a shortage and problems in the supply of the population. So not everything is clear here.

[stalkerwalker]

"I won't tell you about all of Odessa ..."
But when the students of the socialist camp were leaving for their summer vacations, their luggage was packed with Soviet household appliances and television and radio equipment. On the way back, they were carrying "shortages": jerseys and perfumes.
Cuban students were taken home by sea vessels. In 1982, they even filled the cargo hold of the Leonid Sobinov turbo-rover with the aforementioned items, as well as furniture and refrigerators.
Energy carriers and electricity received by the "brothers" from the USSR, without a twinge of conscience, were resold to neighboring countries of the capitalist system with a good profit.

[Sergej1972]

The 90th year, as it were, the system had already changed, in many regions there were already oppositionists in power, and the party no longer had a monopoly on power, many already left its ranks. And there was nothing for them.
For the newborn daughter, most likely they did not queue in the store, but in the dairy kitchen? There, the products are very specific. I’ll tell you a secret, many stood in lines in dairy kitchens both in the 90s and in the early 1998s. And somewhere, probably now. He himself stood in XNUMX, waiting for the delivery of the portion laid for his daughter in the dairy kitchen from half an hour to an hour. You can’t go there and immediately take your portion, you need to receive it in the order of the list.
Although, for the most part, I completely agree with the main idea of ​​your commentary, especially about the harm of the trading mafia and deficit. Even within the framework of that system, they could restore order. For some reason, there were no such problems from the socialist GDR, Hungary, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, or the scale was an order of magnitude smaller.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Sergej1972

For the newborn daughter, most likely they did not queue in the store, but in the dairy kitchen? There, the products are very specific. I’ll tell you a secret, many stood in lines in dairy kitchens both in the 90s and in the early 1998s. And somewhere, probably now. He himself stood in XNUMX, waiting for the delivery of the portion laid for his daughter in the dairy kitchen from half an hour to an hour. You can’t go there and immediately take your portion, you need to receive it in the order of the list.
Although, for the most part, I completely agree with the main idea of ​​your commentary, especially about the harm of the trading mafia and deficit.

Sevastopol ... I tell you in fact .. My daughter was born in the 90th year ... By this time, dairy kitchens were covered with a copper basin. In the pharmacies there was only powder and bandages with green stuff .. To buy milk, cottage cheese and kefir had to take a queue at half past 12 nights ... They wrote lists. one by one they guarded the record .. by 7-00 in the morning we went to the store to wait for milk to be brought in .. Yes, in the 70s there were no problems with basic products. . For some reason I remember the end of the 80s and the beginning of the 90s ..

[Dart2027]

Quote: free

Looking at people like you, I came up with a curious way, how, under the new socialism, to calculate potentially not trustworthy citizens yet. You just need to put a trough for pigs in every large settlement and dump sausages, cheeses, butter, TVs, sewing machines, phones and other

That is, under socialism, do you want everyone to live without sausages, cheeses, butter, televisions, sewing machines, telephones and other things?

[free]

Quote: Dart2027

Quote: free

Looking at people like you, I came up with a curious way, how, under the new socialism, to calculate potentially not trustworthy citizens yet. You just need to put a trough for pigs in every large settlement and dump sausages, cheeses, butter, TVs, sewing machines, phones and other

That is, under socialism, do you want everyone to live without sausages, cheeses, butter, televisions, sewing machines, telephones and other things?

If you draw such conclusions, I’m sorry for you. You are stupid like a cork.

[Dart2027]

Quote: free

If you draw conclusions like this

Exclusively from your words. You are stupid like a cork.

[AU Ivanov.]

And ate an exceptionally great idea. Without cowards, but armed with the great theory of Marx-Lenin.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

And ate an exceptionally great idea.

Yeah. Somehow we were on a collective farm, so everyone grew fat. On the first - soup or cabbage soup with bacon, on the second - again with bacon, on the third - compote. (without fat).

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: AS Ivanov.

And ate an exceptionally great idea.

Yeah. Somehow we were on a collective farm, so everyone grew fat. On the first - soup or cabbage soup with bacon, on the second - again with bacon, on the third - compote. (without fat).

They didn’t give meat ... Looks like you have eaten a collective farm .. Oh, sorry YOU the collective farm ate. All fat, but fat,

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: 30 vis

.Oh I apologize YOU ate the collective farm. All fat, but fat,

89th year. State farm "Odoevsky" What's wrong?

[Nycomed]

It was possible and necessary to live without everything, but, under the pillow, a volume of Old Man Krupsky-Armand should always lie. Here are his quotes and had to eat.

[dima314]

what nonsense ?! Since 1989 there was no longer socialism from the word at all! There was a mess that the hunchback made very quickly. I graduated from the university in 1981, but by 1990 I had an apartment, a refrigerator, a sewing machine, a TV woodworking machine, minimal furniture and two children. Never experienced a power problem. The mess went from 1989 and further on the rise.

[Nycomed]

Not only for the sausage, but in general for everything!

[free]

Quote: AU Ivanov.

And at the same time amicably stand in line for sausage and other goods.

Before you specifically trough with nishtyak put.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: lopvlad

and if socialism is returned, then it would be possible to rivet aircraft carriers faster than China and at the same time lower the retirement age.

And again to stand in queues for toilet paper, to receive soap and bones, called meat, on coupons, again the acogolization of the population. To one-off (wine and vodka) shops before a pay and advance payment by Kamazes shmurdyak! But "sicilism" and the glory of the Communist Party ... almost like the glory of Ukraine ..

[lopvlad]

Quote: 30 vis

acogolization of the population again

that's just the statistics of the population size suggest the opposite, namely that under the USSR the population grew by hundreds of thousands and now it is dying out. For some reason, then the "alcoholics" had healthy and strong children, support for their parents and now the "athletes" are completely disabled genetic diseases requiring organ transplantation (heart, liver, kidneys, bone marrow, etc.) and with down syndrome.
This is even if you do not take into account the rapid 2ebilization of the younger generation.

Quote: 30 vis

and bones. called meat

every collective farm under the USSR had thousands of cattle (herds of cows, herds of sheep, pigs) and now there is nothing. Now there is a wasteland overgrown with weeds and extinct haunted settlements.

[Sergej1972]

There were a lot of children with mental retardation, with Down syndrome, with a slight degree of moronity and in Soviet times.

[lopvlad]

Quote: Sergej1972

and in Soviet times there were many.

then there were only a few, and now there are thousands. As well as the fact that during the USSR a certificate of exemption from physical education was available to a maximum of 1-2 people from the class and did not die of heart and stroke in the lessons.

[Sergej1972]

No, the numbers were quite comparable. In every more or less large rural school, after the first or second grade, at least one child was sent to an auxiliary school, and some immediately. Each village council had at least one "" who did not attend school at all. But this has nothing to do with the socio-political system. There were many such children in pre-revolutionary Russia. As for children with Down syndrome, a certain percentage of them are always born in any society, regardless of the order, welfare. They are often born into prosperous, non-drinking families.
By the way, in the second half of the 80s, during the now-damned anti-alcohol campaign, the percentage of children born with physical and mental disabilities decreased. And when the restrictions were lifted in the early 90s, this percentage increased again.

[AU Ivanov.]

Useless from these heads of cattle, if there was no meat in the stores. At least with us.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: 30 vis

acogolization of the population again

Just in 90 was. We bought packages.

Quote: 30 vis

receive soap and bones on coupons.

In more detail. Something I don’t remember bone coupons.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Mordvin 3

In more detail. Something I don’t remember bone coupons.

Of course you do not remember. YOU ate fat on the collective farm!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: 30 vis

Of course you do not remember. YOU ate fat on the collective farm!

In the 89 year, I helped my mother. Stamped milk coupons.
Yeah, I ate. We morons were taken out of the collective farm because the tractor was stolen

[region58]

Quote: Mordvin 3

the tractor was stolen

Are we going, going to a neighboring village to a disco (s)? It was so...

[region58]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Just in 90 was. We bought packages.

No, it was in the eighties that they bought colognes and perfumes in packs, and in the nineties - "piano", in liters ... and "upi" - yes, in packs ... and there and there - "just add water" ... Dilute the "grand piano" with water and add a couple of bags of "UPI" to it - this is already for gourmets ... in general, they beat the liver hard ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: region58

and if you dilute the piano with water and add a couple of bags of UPI

Compote was diluted ...

[Oleg Zorin]

Why did you instruct the peasant cons? He told you the truth.

[ciujoilu]

Where to reduce, to forty, or even how to graduate from school immediately retire

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: lopvlad

and if socialism is returned, then it would be possible to rivet aircraft carriers faster than China and at the same time lower the retirement age.

I’m afraid that first we need to put our brains in their place and regain our self-esteem so that the Kremlin’s presidents can not mislead people for decades. Among other things, it's time to admit that Russia will soon be overrun by the population problem. In the United States, the population from 248 million people in 700 grew to 000 people. I am afraid that even under socialism (soon) there will be no one to rivet. Or will we order guest workers? If the Russian oligarchs give money ...
In Russia, the right to issue laws, appoint officials, and determine the strategy of economic and political development is determined by those in power, appointed from a very narrow circle. And all this is happening outside the zone of interests of the majority of the population (which is why it responds with such "violent" growth) and without its participation ...

Quote: AS Ivanov.

And at the same time amicably stand in line for sausage and other goods.

Queues for sausage were only due to the fact that the sausage was real and people had money. You would have calmed down, otherwise you poke this sausage wherever you go. Happiness is not in sausage ... But in dumplings ...

[AU Ivanov.]

Yes, there was money. But to buy something worthwhile was very difficult. Money not backed by a mass of goods. But the sausage was made of meat, that's true. And there was no radiation from cell towers either. Moreover, all over the world, due to the lack of such technologies.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Kontrik

Pension is small and generally raised the retirement age ...

Vital, remind me where you work?

[armata_armata]

Svarog will appear an hour later and for 100500 comments will open the discussion that everything is gone, Putin is to blame. That's all you need to know. Amen

Cheers throwers already went on the attack? Bare back just cover

[Grandfather]

Quote: Kontrik

Quote: Designer 68

Svarog will appear an hour later and for 100500 comments will open the discussion that everything is gone, Putin is to blame. That's all you need to know. Amen

Pension is small and generally raised the retirement age ...
And if you stop the production of missiles and ships, then how many pensioners could be saved from starvation ... hehe ..
That's the whole answer to the Chinese Svarog, you’ll answer everything .. The Chinese contact him! (Joke, but with a hint ..)

Mihan, you can continue to drown for his fabulous, but he will meanwhile sell the country ..

.220 thousand hectares of Sverdlovsk forests will be cut down for sale to the Chinese - authorities have forgotten their promise

https://newdaynews.ru/ekb/671675.html

[Reserve buildbat]

Oh how! But I live in this same Ekat-Sverdlovsk and have not heard anything about it. I'm going to ask people

[Svarog]

Quote: Dead Day

Mihan, you can continue to drown for his fabulous, but he will meanwhile sell the country ..

So sold out for a long time .. of course not everything is still, but he still has a lot of time ahead, while Mikhan odes sing ..

[carstorm 11]

dear man0 naked ass is it fetish or other pictures do not come to mind? who has a bare ass then? a country that has everything except these aircraft carriers? well no. Yes, is it already a question and everyone has their own opinion. or are you specifically about those present? so it’s like the Internet is there and gadgets to write. no longer agree with naked ?! when you say something, at least for your own worry. naked ass in comparison with whom? with whom or with what do you compare that?

[armata_armata]

a country that has everything except these aircraft carriers?

All this is the fleet, the air force, industry, the economy, which of the following is in abundance?

so it’s like the Internet is there and gadgets to write

Proud of imported equipment and gadgets, much

when you say something, at least for your own worry. naked ass in comparison with whom? with whom or with what do you compare that?

In comparison with China, the United States, a little?
I don’t see facts besides rotten cheers

[carstorm 11]

how to explain, so as not to offend ... the fleet? but he is not? may not be as we would like but he is. It’s quite enough that countries like the ruins wouldn’t especially vomit. proud of a stranger? But should it be all their own? this is what country of the world is it all that? the same China or the states are actively buying up everything in a row around the world and it somehow does not bother them. why should this bother us? OK. in comparison with sha and China. frets. Well, let us have less than theirs and why? we somehow don’t remember that they would break into hegemons. the third is also normal. and given the development of the Strategic Missile Forces and live peacefully. economics and industry is yes. but we live the same. I want more and better, but for now, like this. there will still be arguments, or besides the use of a good word URA there are no others?

[lopvlad]

Quote: armata_armata

In comparison with China, the United States, a little?

and what is the PRC doing innovative, apart from riveting in itself cheap imperfections on goods from around the world?
Only the United States refused ZTE to install its processors and OSes on their smartphones so they instantly were blown away by touching even such a giant as Huawei.
Or maybe they have an aircraft carrier designed from scratch according to their own developments and not ripped off from the Soviet clone?

If the United States is so great, why do they fly to the ISS on our outdated ships and use Russian engines to launch satellites into space?
And what are Americans proud of if a typical American is entirely dressed in consumer goods with a "Made in China" tag and holds an iPhone with a "Made in China" sticker in his hands?

[Svarog]

Quote: Designer 68

Svarog appears and at 100500

Eco stares at me You are straight ill with me

[carstorm 11]

it's popularity) she is)))

[Gardamir]

That's all you need to know.

What is worth knowing? rave. which is copied from branch to branch

You started the discussion enchanting. Imagine someone calls you to work and says that your apartment is on fire, and you, Svarog will appear now and open the discussion that the apartment was set on fire ...

[cormorant]

This suggests that today's Russia is no longer the Soviet Union militarily!

It only says that you are Chinese, even having 10 aircraft carriers militarily will still be weaker than us.

[Greg Miller]

Question from China: the USSR had 9 aircraft carriers, why did Russia have only one?

Because capitalism does not take root in Russia ...

[dirk182]

Because someone was too seduced by the gifts of capitalism .. And this lesson, apparently, did not benefit their successors. Russia is following the same path.

[Corn]

Because someone was too seduced by the gifts of capitalism ..

Are you talking about China, which headed for a market economy and carried out privatization attracting all international investors 10 years earlier than the "perestroika" in the Union?

Russia is following the same path.

Russia follows the path of building neo-feudalism and the restoration of the very “Russia that we have lost” that has no analogues in the world.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Corn

Are you talking about China, which headed for a market economy and carried out privatization attracting all international investors 10 years earlier than the "perestroika" in the Union?

I still don’t understand why the bulk of the population of the USSR bought goods in stores and not in markets? Maybe even then they did not like the market economy, in which goods with low prices were sold at exorbitant prices?

[Saul_Rhen]

You should not write such nonsense so zealously. If the market economy is for you = the market (i.e. the bazaar), then at least a couple of smart books read ... Don’t be disgraced.

[Rwmos]

Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi and Bin Laden with Assad? All four are proteges of the West

[Catfish]

And you can ask what have our aircraft carriers and all this Middle Eastern kagal got to do with it "

[Rwmos]

Despite the fact that only against such a Kagal aircraft carriers are needed. China aircraft carriers will sink before they even reach the shores of China, not Japan. By the way, from the moment of the test of the anti-ship ballistic missile by China - no one has seen American aircraft carriers in those parts

[Catfish]

no one has seen American aircraft carriers in those parts

And no one has ever seen them there before. Since the Vietnam War.
I don’t remember which aircraft carriers, how many, and by whom were used against the aforementioned company led by Saddam Hussein. Could you tell? Let's not talk about our "Kuzya", he was there for completely different reasons.

[Rwmos]

In Yokosuka, for example, one U.S. aircraft carrier was constantly based before:

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And in 2003, as many as 5 aircraft carriers fought in Iraq

[Catfish]

That's it - exactly what was "based". Just above you stated that:

since the test of anti-ship ballistic missiles by China - no one has seen American aircraft carriers in those parts

They did not fight in Iraq, the US infantry and tank divisions fought in Iraq, or rather, it was not even a war, but a walk through a plowed field. But, yes, they bombed everything there thoroughly, but is it one carrier aircraft? Yes, and they were there in shifts and more marines provided support and covered their ships, beating with "Tomahokami", it is not clear from whom.

[Rwmos]

They did not fight in Iraq

In 2003, the aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln took part in the war in Iraq. More than 16 500 sorties completed on board an aircraft carrier

Nifiga himself "did not fight"!

[Catfish]

And with such a fleet, with so many aircraft carriers, one unfortunate Lincoln? And you call this a war of aircraft carriers? Re-read Samuel Morrison, that's where the aircraft carriers really fought, although there was a real enemy there.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: RWMos

In Yokosuka, for example, one U.S. aircraft carrier was previously constantly based

They have such people in Yoko ... I would say: not people, but ... well, you understand. And then they walk along the shore with posters: "Give us the Kuriles!"

[Sergej1972]

Gaddafi and Assad were definitely not henchmen of the West. Bin (or Bin) Laden yes. Saddam Hussein was muddy, both ours and yours.

[Rwmos]

Assad was generally considered the most pro-Western leader in the BV. and in any propaganda from the State Department, Syria was used as an example of the fact that in the Middle East there can also exist a LIGHT, and not a Muslim state, stuffed with "European values" right up to burping ...

They also really wanted to get into the Guinness Book of Records. By the way, I remember about the attitude of Muslims towards cooking ... As far as I remember. in the case of the orthodox - the peasants are completely in no way ...

They mold cake with marzipans at the stadium ...

[Sergej1972]

So in Syria, religious fanatics never made up the majority, and Islam was traditionally moderate there. Is it bad? Moreover, not only Muslims live there.

[Rwmos]

... and then all of a sudden they made up the most - when in the hands of the government the territory remained smaller than Mikhalkov’s estate And what is most interesting - again with the participation of the Americans. For whom the participation of Syria in the Chinese Belt and Path is like a sharp knife. And for the sake of this, you can forget that Assad, even by education, is a Frenchman, a British felts, and draw him as a bearded mujahideen. And the wife is again English toli, German roofing felts ... A sort of purposefully slap in Europe family of Middle Eastern slaves of Europe ...

[Sergej1972]

You do not confuse Assad with the Jordanian king Abdullah?

[Rwmos]

No. The place of study is a French college in Syria. Place of internship - UK. Wife - place of study - UK. Place of work - a bank in Germany ...

[Sergej1972]

But Assad’s wife is from Syria, not a foreigner.

[Rwmos]

Being determines consciousness, the whole Asad family of Europe is closer in education than Syria. They are accustomed to the familiar Europe

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Because Russia has too many ,, brothers ,,,

[210ox]

Did you mean "partners"? No, because Russia is not the USSR. Unfortunately.

[Kontrik]

Quote: 210ox

Did you mean "partners"? No, because Russia is not the USSR. Unfortunately.

Alas, this is the whole point of Dmitry! We (the people) will not pull aircraft carriers, our kortavim oligarchs need yachts (like two aircraft carriers for a price) and other soothing ambitions .. Well, the "former brothers" all demand compensation for the occupation, etc. They would have taken everything from Abramovich and confiscated and others. Gusinsky, Smolenskys But no, they want to take off the last shirt from the Russian people and so that we kneel down and ask forgiveness for our kindness .. This is how we live yeshkin cat tudy syudy in the heel to the chest.
P / S This posner in his notes wrote so maliciously, first about the Germans, and then he advised the Russians to repent and dust his head with ashes and the more the better in years ..
And we will not get on our knees! That’s evil for all of you

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

And why not, demand compensation from our alligarchs?
Enjoy, the public domain ,,?
So let them compensate for all sprats and others ..
They are amig, they will transfer their money to Russia. The Russian people, compensation, does not require.

[carstorm 11]

and what is wrong with them? the same leaders as others. they lived in peace. evolved. and then democracy came ... are we to blame or what? for me it’s better to be friends with them than with supposedly brothers who have been cutting their population for 5 years and handouts around the world collect concerts with the barrel organ giving concerts in the capitals. pah damn it. shame.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

Because Russia has too many ,, brothers ,,,

Russia has few brothers, practically a cousin of Kazakhstan. And in the sisters of Russia, as in the litter rummages ...

[svp67]

What was created in the USSR to be called a pure aircraft carrier is very difficult, too many of these ships had uncharacteristic weapons for aircraft carriers. And of course it is a pity that we lost these ships so mediocre. They could be useful now.

[Nycomed]

Even the unfinished nuclear "Ulyanovsk" can be called a clean aircraft carrier at a stretch. And we are not even talking about the rest.

[carstorm 11]

I doubt it. these vacuum cleaners would drain the entire budget at the same time going out to sea once every few years without any benefit.

[Svarog]

Quote: svp67

They could be useful now.

Those who rule now .. they don’t need them, give them the BIGGEST yachts ..

[Saul_Rhen]

Are you bothered again?

[artifact]

and what is there to guess then !? because effective managers began to govern the country. what is more profitable for them to build and develop, or to saw and sell?

[Pavel57]

And when were the defective cruisers built, what managers were there?

[usr01]

Nd-ah-ah .... Thanks to Gorbachev and Yeltsin ....

[Pavel57]

Special thanks to them. And so on the list - Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Andropov.

[spirit]

Because friends of the Fairytale Tipo Usmanov or Edinoros Skoch prefer a vessel of a different class

[Grandfather]

Quote: spirit

Because friends of the Fairytale Tipo Usmanov or Edinoros Skoch prefer a vessel of a different class

The ex-head of Rosneft bought a yacht for 1,2 billion rubles, and then asked for state support! Eduard Khudainatov bought a Princess yacht, the cost of which exceeds 1,2 billion rubles. https://www.business-gazeta.ru/news/438674

[Sniper]

We must offer Messrs. Usmanov and Skoch to hand over these yachts for the needs of the Russian Navy.)

[Catfish]

Yes, they can offer them anything, just the point. There is no need to offer ...

[Vadim237]

An aircraft carrier with an aircraft wing and all other related equipment will cost a trillion rubles - you can’t even build a frigate for the cost of this yacht. Russia does not need an aircraft carrier in view of the absence of everything else that the fleet needs.

[ab2020]

And it’s good that no.
Where to get bablishko for the maintenance of 9 AUG?
And most importantly: what would they be doing? What tasks would they face?
There was one task for one aircraft carrier in Syria. I don’t remember anymore ...

[Pavel57]

One task, and one that is far-fetched.
And the Americans were stopped by surface ships led by one of the Atlanteans.

[Sky strike fighter]

The Americans at one time were very fussed about it. Well, the Earth is round and time will put everything in its place, you will see soon the Chinese will rub their hands to watch how the Americans are sawing their aircraft carriers as part of the new American thinking and acceleration combined with perestroika.

[VVAUSH]

Wise guy, did you learn how to leave the Tu-95? :-) :-) :-)

[Nycomed]

"soon the Chinese will be rubbing their hands to watch the Americans sawing their aircraft carriers"
Rubbing his hands from the saw, which will cut our forest, from Primorye to the Urals!

[strannik1985]

Weird question. Because the RF is not the USSR with specific finances and a planned economy, and even more so, it is not China (the volume of FDI in 2018 was 134,97 billion dollars, for January-July 2019 78,8 billion).

[210ox]

It's not a question. This is the headline, and Chinese trolling.

[Chaldon48]

Everyone is to blame for the collapse of the USSR, that is, all who lived on the territory of a great country. It goes without saying that the main fault lies with the leaders, but the rest of the population contributed to this to a small degree. And what is an aircraft carrier, for an ordinary citizen it’s the same as a spaceship, something transcendental and poorly understood, that is, absolutely unnecessary. As a result, they remained essentially unowned, and this was used by clever machinists.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Chaldon48

As a result, they remained essentially ownerless, and this is what dexterous scammers.

Information for consideration:
Fraudster - one who deceives others, abusing their trust, for personal gain; rogue rogue. Purse - a small bag for storing money. In Russia it was worn on a belt, supplied with ties. He served as the prototype of the wallet. From this word come the words "scrotum" and "Fraudster" (a thief cutting off moshnu from his belt).

Quote: Chaldon48

Of course, the main fault lies with the leaders, but the rest of the population contributed to this to a small degree.

In a situation where a husband is cheating on his wife with a cute "colleague" at work should be regarded as passivity or hypersexuality? You need to perceive the leadership as artists (magicians, acrobats, jugglers), because their actions were aimed at "surprising" ... But! The circus left, stayed ... Yes, yes, yes ... It's a pity that we stopped recognizing ourselves in the mirror. Either the face is crooked, or the mirror ...

[Corn]

“Sohu”, is it the Chinese reincarnation of such a popular “national interest” in Russian media? Articles of the ego publication are one more crazy than the other, and the traffic from Russia for some reason is unusually high. Accidentally, the ears of “Russia Today” do not stick out nearby?

[Yaro Polk]

From where he took 9.

[Saul_Rhen]

They counted Moscow, Leningrad, Kiev, Minsk, Novorossiysk, Baku, Kuznetsov, Varyag and Ulyanovsk. The first 6 as aircraft carriers ... well, that’s for yourself.

[Yaro Polk]

I apologize. I wanted to put a plus, minus slammed by a misunderstanding (I did not wake up yet)) ... and is not corrected now)

[Saul_Rhen]

Do not bother) I have these tsiferki to the bulb.

[Sniper]

all the same, it is necessary to distinguish ... an aircraft carrier, with an aircraft carrier cruiser .. we had many types of ships in the Navy that other countries did not build. due to various reasons.

[Pavel57]

For what reasons built cruisers like Kiev, and not normal aircraft carriers of the same displacement? The chief designer of the Nevsky Design Bureau knew exactly what an aircraft carrier looked like.

[Antares]

Quote: Pavel57

For what reasons built cruisers like Kiev, and not normal aircraft carriers of the same displacement?

Geographical location of shipyards, escort, location.

[Pavel57]

The shipyard was one in all fleets. And in the case of a real battle of the cruiser, missiles, rather than airplanes, were the main weapon. For the sake of compliance with the Montreux contract, such a ship was not worth it.

[Antares]

Quote: Pavel57

The shipyard was one in all fleets

not really. But Nikolaev built a large surface combat. (Northern built a submarine fleet)

Quote: Pavel57

And in the case of a real battle of the cruiser, missiles, rather than airplanes, were the main weapon

the decks were still quite reliable and not inferior to land.
And now the best is F 18. Although the land will always surpass.
Well, the missile theme was well developed.

Quote: Pavel57

For the sake of conformity with the doctrine of Montreux, such a ship was not worth it.

The USSR lived in such conditions when life still forced aircraft carriers to build, and since it was impossible to work out the necessary skills from scratch, they decided to start with this. From small to large.
Of course, UDC would have been riveted.
In general, they came by working out skills to Ulyanovsk.
As Americans, as Churchill aptly put it, we tried all the options and finally found the right one.

what the Americans will do right - after they try everything (W. Churchill)

In my opinion, aircraft carriers are slowly turning into clean air carriers.
Carriers of combat platforms. It is quite possible even in the air.

[Pavel57]

Each process has its own internal logic. Apparently from the denial of an aircraft carrier it takes 20 years to get to a normal aircraft carrier and half ships in the form of Moscow and Kiev.
Although the reels at the top are visible on the projects of carrier-based aviation, for example the MiG-23K.

[Antares]

Quote: Pavel57

Apparently from the denial of an aircraft carrier it takes 20 years to get to a normal aircraft carrier and half ships in the form of Moscow and Kiev.

tried different dead ends and still came to the right one. As Churchill said about the Americans.

Quote: Pavel57

Although the reels at the top are visible on the projects of carrier-based aviation, for example the MiG-23K

trial and error is difficult ....
The USSR was no different from other human societies when the right path was not immediately and not everywhere.

[Dikson]

In the USSR, motorcycles, cameras, refrigerators, televisions, tape recorders and automatic washing machines were produced .. where did all this go?
In the USSR, there were passenger hydrofoils, almost every regional center had its own airfield, where did all this go? Why does Russia need aircraft carriers? So that Gazprom, which is a national property, could help foreign countries to raise their economies? Are we going to build aircraft carriers to cover the yachts of homegrown billionaires while walking on the oceans? For fifty years, an ordinary automatic automatic transmission has not been able to invent and assemble, but an aircraft carrier is urgently needed .. For which there are no planes. And there are no escort ships either. And the submarines, on the fingers of one hand ... But the aircraft carrier is needed .. Somali pirates on junks armed with rusty Chinese AKM were already chased by "Peter the Great" .. - there was no less ship at hand .. - now an aircraft carrier is needed ... To navigate, demonstrated and proudly carried ... It will be based on the Baltic Sea .. - because in Tikhiy it has nothing to do - there the Chinese are measuring the number of Americans already .. In the Arctic? Then it is necessary, following the example of the British and Americans during the Second World War, to take an old nuclear icebreaker, cut off the superstructure and mumble the continuous take-off deck. There will be a convoy aircraft carrier. That means the Northern Sea Route was under control. What a great Chinese discovery! - Russia is not the USSR .. of course not. There was no point in counting aircraft carriers, it was enough to count the republics that were part of the former empire ...

[svp67]

Quote: Dikson

almost every district center had its own airfield, where did all this go?

Why "barely"? Airfields were and still are, BEFORE they are, it's just that now they are almost never used, but there are, for all kinds of attacks, what if "small aircraft will fly" ...

Quote: Dikson

In the USSR there were passenger hydrofoils

They are appearing in Russia now, here is the "Comet-120M"

Quote: Dikson

For fifty years, an ordinary car gearbox has not been able to invent and assemble

Oh ... And tell me what box was on the "Seagull"?

[petrol cutter]

ABOUT! So two such * Comets * will be built by our SZ. In October, the bookmark is first scheduled. The slipway is almost ready.

[Dikson]

That you remarkably noticed .. about "The Seagull" .. And a lot of our people on the Seagulls traveled around the country? I am writing about mass production, and not about piece goods at the price of a spaceship .. "Comets" appear .. How many were there on the great rivers of our country? And the people decided on what to get to him - if you want - by train, if you want - by plane, let it be An-2, if you want - on "Rocket", Comet, Meteor, or "Zarya" .. Industry is a mass conveyor production of goods consumer consumption. and not only the sale of metal, oil, gas and timber abroad ... Seagull .. Tell me, how many years did you rivet the "classics" at Avtobaz? After all, they came up with an elegant term to justify laziness and obstinacy, unwillingness to change anything ... The reflectors were changed, the moldings were stuck shiny, - hurray! here's a new car from the VAZ plant! At a new price .. And the fact that the engine of the 70s of the last century in this "new" car is somehow modestly silent about it ... Do you need to tell the story of window regulators or car air conditioning? And why does our person need convenience and comfort? But then the country was at least self-sufficient .. and was able to feed and clothe itself, and fly into space .. And now some colonial princes urgently needed a nuclear aircraft carrier in a squandering country .. You can think of why it is .. Go to Cuba with many months of friendly visits .. Or in some other Honduras .. just like that, the nerves of the Americans to pat and puff out their cheeks from their own importance ...

[svp67]

Quote: Dikson

That you remarkably noticed .. about "The Seagull" .. And a lot of our people on the Seagulls traveled around the country?

Well, 1,5 percent of the population for sure. But a large mass of the "ordinary" population rode a bus with an automatic checkpoint, remember this

Quote: Dikson

Tell me, how many years did you rivet "classics" at Avtobaz?

Many, so the French, when they became masters and did not want to remove it from the conveyor, if ours insisted. You see, the car is produced on long-written-off equipment, and it’s even bought ... DREAM

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Dikson

Do you need to tell the story of power windows or car air conditioning?

Go ahead. I will listen with pleasure.

[Vadim237]

Automatic boxes have already been made by KATE for Aurus

[Sergej1972]

Agree, the republics were unequal in potential. It is incorrect to compare the Russian Federation with the USSR. But, on the other hand, the RSFSR accounted for two-thirds of industry (including three-quarters of the military-industrial complex) and about half of the agriculture of the USSR, most of basic science, the main design bureaus, and the vast majority of leading universities.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: neri73-r

The article was written in military style degenerate - the goat has four legs, so the pig grunts!

And another talent dropped the text here without bothering to edit endless repeats. "The sticks should be perpendicular."

[Nycomed]

So I knew that now the number of private yachts would be tied to the absence of aircraft carriers. The Americans have both private yachts and aircraft carriers. And 40-50 years ago, we had neither private yachts nor private jets, and there were no aircraft carriers either. It's not about yachts, after all.

[Chaldon48]

It's all about the collapsed factories and factories and those who contributed to this. For example, I worked at the Novosibirsk precision engineering plant, this plant had another name "Kometa Plant", officially it produced the "Comet" tape recorder and also studio VCRs, but this, as they say, was just the tip of the iceberg, the plant was subordinate to chapter 8 and produced military products, which consumed a lot of precious metals, which was the reason for its total destruction, just like that, because when it came time to receive a pension, and this happened in 2008, I do not receive a pension for working at this plant, there is an entry in my work book , and the archives were so firmly "lost" that the pension fund refused to pay me a pension for my work at this plant. It was interesting to hear other victims.

[Nycomed]

Honestly, I don’t even know what to tell you. Unless to try to find the same victims from your enterprise and all together will turn to a lawyer specializing in such cases. Perhaps all that I can advise you. Excuse me. And the archives should be somewhere, be sure.

[Private-K]

Well, to call small helicopter carriers like Moscow aircraft carriers - pull an owl on a globe. It’s indecent.
And two TAKRs were sold for nothing, by a group of Soviet admirals for personal enrichment. But this is not customary to talk about.
Sokhu incorrectly confuses "aircraft carrier" and "aircraft carrier". Propaganda for a Chinese man in the street, who, after reading this, will think: "Eeee! Yes, these northern barbarians could have previously, but now they are completely weakened." What is required.

[armata_armata]

Why did it happen? This question is asked by Sohu.

Well, for them there is a simple answer: Gorbachev-Yeltsin-Putin

[Saul_Rhen]

And also Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Andropov, Chernenko. Why didn’t they remember?

[armata_armata]

And also Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Andropov, Chernenko. Why didn’t they remember?

And the result of their reign was 9 aircraft carriers, and the result of the last three was the sale of these 9 aircraft carriers

[Saul_Rhen]

The result of their reign was the absence of aircraft carriers and the collapse of the country.

[armata_armata]

The result of their reign was the absence of aircraft carriers and the collapse of the country.

That was the result of the rule of the tonde Gorbachev-Yeltsin-Putin

[Saul_Rhen]

And you are stubborn. I’ll give a wider picture, but first answer, how many normal aircraft carriers were built in the USSR? With whom?

[Mouse]

Sorry, of course ... why is this so worrying about the Chinese comrades ???

[armata_armata]

Sorry, of course ... why is this so worrying about the Chinese comrades ???

They don’t want to repeat the fate of the USSR, that’s what matters, but so far their services regularly clean the ranks of the party and put potential traitors to the wall, they don’t need to worry

[Mouse]

Quote: armata_armata

regularly clean the ranks of the party and put potential traitors to the wall; they don’t have to worry

well, let them clean ... that they so our fate cares?

[Ilya Melnov]

Quote: Mouse

Sorry, of course ... why is this so worrying about the Chinese comrades ???

propaganda of the enemy’s weakness and weakness is very important. It is carried out before the preparation of active hostilities.

[Mouse]

Quote: Ilya Melnov

It is carried out before the preparation of active hostilities.

China vs us ???? in the light of existing realities? Do you believe that?

[Ilya Melnov]

Quote: Mouse

Quote: Ilya Melnov

It is carried out before the preparation of active hostilities.

China vs us ???? in the light of existing realities? Do you believe that?

wars are different, including economic, and against China, some rulers are scared to scream across, and drain their resources into a pipe.

[rocket757]

There is nothing to answer. No words, only expressions left!
I will not hang "all the sisters on earrings" either, they will still cross out and "medal" will be hanged for ..... the next one.
In general, what a power, such a fleet! The land boom.

[Reserve buildbat]

Yeah ... 2019 year ... The Chinese realized that the Russian Federation was not at all the USSR ...
My question is: Their estooooooontsy pokkkuussaaali?

[KCA]

There are still disputes regarding the ACG, practice shows their futility, 2 ACG off the coast of the DPRK decided something? No. A stick in Eun’s hands scared Trump. The number of aircraft departures from satellite aerodromes, with various US aggressions, is several orders of magnitude greater than departures from aircraft carriers; the AUG will be able to gouge something, but wage a real war - no, or not for long

[Ilya Melnov]

Quote: KCA

There are still disputes regarding the ACG, practice shows their futility, 2 ACG off the coast of the DPRK decided something?

you sort of share the combat capabilities and the political decision not to start a war. And then you have mixed horses and people ...

[KCA]

I have? Here is the commander of the 2nd fleet of the United States, Lewis:
"The aircraft carrier is a monster. It appears at your shores and if you are not our friend, you quickly become our friend [...]"
And about the combat capabilities, I specifically pointed out, read about the number of sorties from aircraft carriers and airfields in all wars where the US AUG participated

[kefan]

There is nothing surprising in such a deplorable result after the reign of the "marked" and drunkard.

[Adimius38]

Why did this happen, because the criminals destroyed the country, gave it to the bandits and thieves, the huge industrial enterprises tore to shreds, new destroyers went under the hammer to other countries and where just for cutting for metal. A terrible time, the barbaric destruction of everything that our fathers and grandfathers created. They chopped it alive, while Russia lost most of that great SOVIET Navy. They didn’t sell what they finished, then don’t allocate funds for repairs for years. We had a magnificent civilian fleet, up to multi-deck cruise ships, where is that ??? destroyed, sold, sawed, money divided into gang pockets. Kiev ”a heavy aircraft carrier sold by unknown persons to the PRC in 1993, Minsk was sold to Korea then to the PRC, Novorossiysk was demolished for metal in 1997 in South Korea. Baku (Admiral Gorshkov) was sold to India, Varangian left in Ukraine where he was sold to the PRC. Ulyanovsk- is cut into metal on the stocks of Ukraine at a 20% availability of 27000 tons. Miraculously, our only Admiral Kuznetsov survived thanks to those brave people who pulled the ship out of the clutches of Ukraine and took it to the shores of Russia

[Saul_Rhen]

And who was selling it? Are they not holy communists?

[Adimius38]

it is not the Communists or the political party, but the traitors and not the traitors. And such were then and now

[Lord of the Sith]

Question from China: the USSR had 9 aircraft carriers, why did Russia have only one?

To answer this question:
A) You need to understand the difference between an "aircraft carrier" and an "aircraft carrier".
B) It is necessary to learn the history of Russia, especially after 1991.

[16112014nk]

- writes Sohu ... that the second aircraft carrier "Ulyanovsk" with a displacement of 80 thousand tons was disassembled into USA...
...
Something with the geography of the Chinese comrades ....

[parusnik]

The Chinese do not understand anything ... If the yachts that have our oligarchs play a little prank, these will be the same aircraft carriers ... The tricky plan ...

[Svarog]

Quote: parusnik

The Chinese do not understand anything ... If the yachts that have our oligarchs play a little prank, these will be the same aircraft carriers ... The tricky plan ...

here is a mnogohovochka .. obviously "urapatriots" will now adopt your argument ..

[Ilya Melnov]

Quote: Svarog

Quote: parusnik

The Chinese do not understand anything ... If the yachts that have our oligarchs play a little prank, these will be the same aircraft carriers ... The tricky plan ...

here is a mnogohovochka .. obviously "urapatriots" will now adopt your argument ..

and what, good helicopter carriers will turn out if you dispossess someone, there’s already even a platform for them! A cunning plan, you order a yacht bypassing sanctions, and then saw off everything that is unnecessary ...

[Al Asad]

The most interesting thing about the Soviet attitude towards aircraft carriers is no money and we are not interested in an aircraft carrier so let's rivet the pre-aircraft carriers

[Adimius38]

Well, firstly, this is not a pre-carrier, but a heavy missile cruiser that had impressive weapons for that period, plus an air wing. They did not have time to build a full-fledged aircraft carrier (Ulyanovsk), drunk with a tagged one plundered the country.

[Saul_Rhen]

The country was ditched by the "wise leadership" of the party for many decades. For example: The project of a normal nuclear aircraft carrier was ready in the 60s, but the "wise leadership" decided to build misunderstandings on the 1143rd project. Or, instead of developing a universal EM (there were preliminary projects based on 1134B), we developed 2 useless projects 1155 and 956 (the latter is itself a vivid example of wise leadership). There are thousands of such examples, but mediocre ideologues continued and continue to ride a rake.

[petrol cutter]

Because Russia is not some kind of China for you! The main thing in this life is managers, brokers, dealers and merchandisers. And swing into the pipe, everything that creeps into it. The main thing is that the compressor capacities are enough. Such is our main doctrine. As I see here from nonMoscow.

[Svarog]

Quote: Petrol cutter

Such is our main doctrine. As I see here from nonMoscow.

Vitaly, that’s how they see it from Moscow .. Everything starts from the head .. and it ends ..

[Cry]

One answer
Gorby sold
Yeltsin drank

[Shuttle]

2

the USSR had 9 aircraft carriers, why did Russia have only one?

- ... Gorbachev surrendered your homeland to the Americans to hang out beautifully. And now your Motherland has two wars and Crimea has failed! I handed over the Russian people in the Baltic states, I handed over the Serbs in the Balkans, ...

1. Chechnya
2. Crimea.
3. The Baltic states.
4. Balkans.

[ugol2]

You answer me for Sevastopol!

5. Sevastopol

[Ilya Melnov]

something that rotts in the parking lot can hardly be called an aircraft carrier, so what is the question of why not a single one ???

[taurtaurov]

Abramovich has a semi Aircraft carrier. Well, it's time to bring out the bourgeois class.

[Saul_Rhen]

Well ADVERTISE, only graduate school, revolutionary

[Rusj]

And who needs this pelvis with eroplans

[Rusj]

One day there will be a WAR between our STATES! And really everyone will be surprised! In the wars between the countries HEGEMONS, these pelvis will not play any role!

[petrol cutter]

To a degree, there is no reason to disagree.

[Shahno]

Quote: Rusj

And who needs this pelvis with eroplans

But who needs these villas, we have a house in the village.
Doesn't it remind you of anything?

[Rusj]

in a WAR BETWEEN such countries Carrier groups will be destroyed by a nuclear missile

[Rusj]

These pelvis will be destroyed in the first minutes of the massacre between such countries!

[donavi49]

By the way, their head UDC (which they collected in less than six months) is already painted and is preparing for the descent. According to rumors, October-November.

Near the second is under construction - it is painted over by censorship.

[Rusj]

According to rumors, one 100-kiloton rocket drowns everything and a Tsunami-type shock wave flushes everything ashore

[donavi49]

100 kilotons is nothing at all. By modern standards.

And yes - China has its megatons . And they are still enough for unacceptable damage. Well, others will not stand aside and finish off the survivors with a little blood. So this is a Mexican duel in fact. Whoever starts first - he lost.

[Rusj]

1oo kilotons has the power of a dull wave somewhere in 30 meters

[Rusj]

once upon a time I read that a wave of 30 meters would cause the United States unacceptable damage

[Rusj]

and submarines in Russia with incomparable power after their strike for life on the planet pieces 8

[petrol cutter]

Honestly, if some serious negligence happens with China ... It is unlikely that its outcome will depend on aircraft-carrying cruisers. Well, that's very unlikely ...

[armata_armata]

According to rumors, one 100-kiloton rocket drowns everything and a Tsunami-type shock wave flushes everything ashore

Does everyone in the world drown?

[Rusj]

According to rumors, one submarine has a strike power of several thousand kilotons

[Rusj]

and if there are immortal attacks on RUSSIA, then after this massacre we will run with bows and spears through the radioactive wastelands

[Rusj]

Russia in one person will cause unacceptable damage to the planet and the enemy if it simply does not destroy the planet and sweep it into asteroids

[Rusj]

Russia is the greatest country in the history of mankind, not conquered by anyone, possessing the desire for suicide!

[Antares]

Quote: Rusj

Russia is the greatest country in the history of mankind, not conquered by anyone

umm ... but even if we take the period of Russia (not Russia)
then offhand.
The defeat of Russia in the Livonian War (1558-1583)
Defeat in the Moscow-Swedish War (1610-1617)
The defeat of Russia in the Crimean War (1853-1856)
The defeat of Russia in the Russo-Japanese War (1904-1905)
The defeat of Russia in the First World War (1914-1918)
Chechen War....
this is so, not counting the little things.

Quote: Rusj

suicidal!

and this is due to the climate and conditions caused by it
(they brought life to such a level when death in battle did not seem to recruits such a bad fate)
our ancestors got a zone of risky farming and low humidity with low insolation ..
Extreme survival.

[Rusj]

Comparable strike power of the Russian submarine is not comparable with the integrity of the planet

[Rusj]

Once, when everyone runs out of resources and everyone rushes at us, the world will be destroyed

[Greenwood]

Drink valerian, you have delirium tremens.

[ugol2]

You go to read about the aircraft carriers, and then the US State Debt - Yachts - Abramovich - A pensioner in line for bread.
Administrator!
How to collapse all this flood to get to the comments in fact ?!
Make the comment tree normal already!

[Tikhontsov Anatoly Mikhailovich]

I can’t say anything about aircraft carriers; the military served only urgent; But I know almost everything about sausage in the Soviet period since I lived 73 years. I captured all the times starting with Stalin. Yes, they didn’t live richly but didn’t starve, they worked healthy and eager. There were almost no whalers who did not want to work, they considered them to be parasites. Teachers and doctors were respected, and artists and clowns were paid an adequate salary. The death penalty was used according to the law, so they didn’t steal a lot. They simply dragged the country and why do we need the current democracy of sausages and there is no money. Yes, scarce goods by appointment, go work well and get what you wanted. Personally, when I worked in the village, I got two cars, the refrigerators stood freely and color TVs too. Electricity was water and heating a penny. Yes, people drank because they lived easily and treated alcoholics for free. There weren’t any people who were busy with work and got free housing. I look at I’d like to say that you shouldn’t immediately remove Yeltsin’s drunk from our life and retire. Yes, the Americans outplayed us.

[Adimius38]

The problem is that many believed Yeltsin, they wanted a beautiful rich and free life. Pensioners of the 90s said so that they’ll have enough communists for us, if they had profit from it, if they knew what was waiting for them further, endangered villages and villages, drunken youth, bandits and drug addicts, robbery of personal savings with all kinds of pyramids mmm

[Moskovit]

Again, the Americans are to blame. When will we look at ourselves? When we say yes, it’s our own fault.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Moskovit

Again, the Americans are to blame.

And you read the memoirs of Ambassador to the USSR Matlock ...

[Moskovit]

I've lived in a small Siberian town during the Soviet era. I do not think that the clawed hand of the USA reached there.
I believe that it is political infantilism to blame everything on the West, although of course the United States and the Allies did some subversive work. But we, too, did not lag behind, supporting leftist forces.

[Moskovit]

They like to get the opinions of some publications from somewhere in the garbage dumps. So China immediately became bad. The Chinese leadership is aware of what will happen to hundreds of millions of Chinese if Russian nuclear missiles hit, for example, the Three Gorges hydroelectric power station. So even without aircraft carriers Russia can protect itself well.

[yfast]

What nonsense can be read on the site. Amerikosov want to be rich, be it, you want to be poor, is not a question. They do not find $ 20 billion from the FBI colonels in an apartment. That is the problem. Thieves and scammers are everywhere, just not everywhere they are next to ...

[Moskovit]

We also do not find. We have in rubles. And not only at home. In the car, in the garage, with dad)))

[Rusj]

and I saw how ardent from a cliff with bursts of hands he shot me no matter your Americans

[Rusj]

Our guy was Oleg Yarchenko, he shot bursts from the cliff

[Rusj]

clip about special forces in Syria - to the song of Rasteryaev "Combineers" / Russian special forces in Syria

[Rusj]

Russian special forces in Syria

[Rusj]

I saw how the boys were shooting from the Cliff, but all of you are nothing against us

[Rusj]

The guy from the Cliff was shooting while standing at full height! Queues!

[Rusj]

Only we had singer Vitka Tsoi

[Old26]

Quote: Chaldon48

Everyone is to blame for the collapse of the USSR, that is, everyone who lived on the territory of the great country. Of course, the main blame lies with the leaders, but the rest of the population, with their passivity, contributed to this to no small extent..

Damn, how tired is this search for those responsible for the collapse of the USSR? And especially with statements like

everyone is to blame, that is, everyone who lived on the territory of a great country.

Were you alive at that time? Who was to blame? Is my one-year-old daughter or retired grandmother? Father-in-law, who worked shifts at the factory, me or my father, who worked in the design bureau? Wife on maternity leave??? Who?? Maybe it’s time to stop scattering responsibility among everyone? Are there those who were at the helm, who for the last 5-7 years before the collapse of the Union did nothing to prevent it? There was an elite and the party’s gold, which flowed to an unknown location.
Passivity of the population? And tell me, dear man, how could you actively resist when you have a working day from 7.30 to 16.30, then you had to go to the shops, buy something, standing in lines. Should we have understood that after bringing food home we had to go to the barricades or rally near the White House?
When you wake up in the morning and instead of news you hear “Swan Lake” on the radio and TV, you understand that something new has happened. But it's too late to do anything...

Quote: Chaldon48

And what an aircraft carrier is, for the average citizen it’s the same as a spaceship, something transcendental and little understood, i.e. absolutely unnecessary. As a result, they remained essentially ownerless, and clever scammers took advantage of this.

For the average citizen of the Soviet Union, the aircraft carrier was, first of all, a symbol of the power of the armed forces. Obscure? Maybe, but that doesn’t mean it’s absolutely unnecessary. And they turned out to be ownerless thanks to a certain group of people, including those who signed the death warrant for the Union in Belovezhye. When a political impotent talker, or rather talkers, is in power, incl. and those who loved to pawn by the collar, nothing comes of it except talking. There will be a collapse. One spoke, the second collapsed. And the Empire, the Empire began to be “eaten up” from the edges, according to the famous phrase of La Rochefoucauld. Take as much sovereignty as you can. The Balts took it. And when it was necessary to show character and pin them down, everything was blamed on the performers who did everything wrong, brought out soldiers or tanks, while the president did not want this, etc.

Quote: Sea Cat

no one has seen American aircraft carriers in those parts

And no one has ever seen them there before. Since the Vietnam War.
I don’t remember which aircraft carriers, how many, and by whom were used against the aforementioned company led by Saddam Hussein. Could you tell? Let's not talk about our "Kuzya", he was there for completely different reasons.

Well, they were used against Hussein, although not in such numbers as during the Vietnam War, but a couple of them took part in the fighting in the Gulf.

Quote: svp67

What was created in the USSR to be called a pure aircraft carrier is very difficult, too many of these ships had uncharacteristic weapons for aircraft carriers. And of course it is a pity that we lost these ships so mediocre. They could be useful now.

And they were never considered pure aircraft carriers even by the West. In all Western naval reference books they were listed as aircraft-carrying cruisers. By the way, the British "Invincible" series aircraft carriers were initially qualified as cruisers with a continuous flight deck. Ours were initially considered anti-submarine cruisers (Kyiv type), anti-submarine helicopter carrier cruisers (Moscow type)
It’s a pity that we lost it, but the top of the party and government are largely to blame. Read about how the same Ustinov opposed everything, both increasing the displacement and replacing the aircraft fleet. But if it weren’t for him, Novorossiysk could have received carrier-based aircraft based on the MIG-23, and Kuznetsov should have already had almost the entire range of aviation, including anti-submarine aircraft, fighters and fighter-bombers. But alas. I can only regret this

Quote: Nycomed

Even the unfinished nuclear "Ulyanovsk" can be called a clean aircraft carrier at a stretch. And we are not even talking about the rest.

Most likely, it could actually be called a pure aircraft carrier. Initially, it was supposed to have anti-ship Granites, like the Kuznetsov and Varyag. but during the construction process it was decided to remove them. Moreover, the first corps ("Ulyanovsk") was supposed to be without catapults, but the second and third corps already had catapults. They were planned to be installed at Ulyanovsk during repairs and modernization. And the Ulyanovsk and its sisterships should already have had a full-fledged air wing, including an AWACS aircraft

Quote: Yaro Polk

From where he took 9.

For the Chinese, an aircraft carrier and a helicopter carrier are one and the same. Especially if this publication is in English, in which an aircraft carrier and a helicopter carrier could be designated by the same term Carrier.
And why 9 - the article says. Two helicopter carriers of the "Moscow" type, four ANK of the "Kyiv" type, ANK of the Kuznetsov type (two hulls) and the "Ulyanovsk" under construction

Quote: Rusj

in a WAR BETWEEN such countries Carrier groups will be destroyed by a nuclear missile

If there is someone to inflict these nuclear weapons on aircraft carriers at that moment in time

Quote: Rusj

According to rumors, one 100-kiloton rocket drowns everything and a Tsunami-type shock wave flushes everything ashore

Don't talk nonsense, it hurts. Better yet, read about the Americans testing their charges at Bikini against ships and about our tests at NZ, also against ships. And a tidal wave (not a shock wave) 30 meters high, like a TSUNAMI, will actually wash away everything on the shore. To a depth of 10 kilometers, if the coast is flat. And if there are rocks, I’m afraid that the TSUNAMI won’t jump over them

Quote: Rusj

and submarines in Russia with incomparable power after their strike for life on the planet pieces 8

Yeah, right now. The Borey class boat now has 96 charges of 150 kt each. Three boats. That means 288. There is also a “Sineva” with 4 BBs on a rocket. That is 64 on the boat. A total of 384. Well, the total is enough for the United States to cease to exist as a state. But for life on the planet this is almost nothing

[Vadim237]

We will soon leave START 3 - and the number of strategic delivery vehicles and warheads will increase to the maximum, only these will be warheads with a yield of up to 80 - 100 kilotons - to save money and materials.

[Rusj]

Oleg Yartsev shot from the Cliff while standing tall! Not everyone will believe that it is possible to shoot at someone tall with such a monstrous machine gun; he shot it with an anti-aircraft shell, it exploded and hit him in the chest. The man was not weak in stature and had monstrous strength

[Rusj]

By the way, a guy from Danbas knocked out 3 tanks from Bandera from Utes

[Rusj]

Yes, the cliff was a monstrous heavy machine gun of 14.5 caliber, which was monstrous by combat standards, he lifted it and kept hitting it until a shell from an anti-aircraft gun hit him in the chest, it’s impossible to imagine, but it was

[Cat man null]

Quote: Rusj

yes Utes heavy machine gun, monstrous by combat standards, caliber 14.5

14.5 is CPV. Cliff - 12.7. Stop it already, it's not funny.

[Rusj]

I know one guy who spent 2.5 years fighting in Afghanistan! DShB he is generally fierce, his whole chest in orders from the conscripts jumped into the DShB like him in towns like ours THEY PLACE CHAPELS!

[Rusj]

KPVT is a large-caliber (14,5 mm) Vladimirov tank machine gun. A formidable weapon against ground forces. air and surface targets. This is the correct decoding of the KPVT machine gun (abbreviation). It is used to destroy firing points and personnel of enemy forces protected by light armor or located in temporary fortifications, and to destroy aircraft at low altitudes.

[Rusj]

A sniper scope with SVD is also installed on the KPVT. queue with KPVT tank turret jams

[Comrade Kim]

Quote: RWMos

you have nothing to confirm it with

Yes, soon there will be no one to confirm:



Yuriy Pronko: We are being prepared for a new shock – the dollar 90 rub each., oil by $25

[Rusj]

no one. It's hard to believe. These are the monstrous underbelly of war. but it was our oxygen tank that knocked out an armored personnel carrier, imagine, you won’t believe it, it happened. It's funny but it was

[Rusj]

imagine an oxygen cylinder hit an armored personnel carrier for takeoff

[Rusj]

Do you even know how to start a TANK? It starts with compressed air!

[Rusj]

In reality, a TANK starts with compressed air, 99% of the time, such an engine cannot be started under normal conditions, my tank and all that I have seen started with a CCP such a button. we started our cars with compressed air. at least it means something to you. The battery weighs 70 kilograms

[Rusj]

how many of these T72 batteries are there?

[Rusj]

I am a mechanic driver ST senior sergeant

[Rusj]

only the T80 was started as required for a helicopter on the T80 engine from a helicopter

[Rusj]

The T80 and T64 are the best tanks, but at 80 the boys were all on fire in Chechnya, and the T72 is an unpretentious vehicle; there are almost no losses, even without active armor the boys were not on fire in them. 72 is a T3485 a little better, that’s why the Arabs love our T55 and T72 cars, the mechanic driver almost always survives and takes the car out of the battle

[Rusj]

my instructor of Armenians fought in Vietnam on the T55 funny colonel imagine he taught these wild monkeys as he called them and we were the same wild collective farmers I passed the training ground on the T72 with the best time

[Rusj]

I'm sure that you think that I'm talking utter nonsense. Brother, I won’t tell you where I served, but all these strange things are true. You won’t believe it, I even saw them firing from naval guns. But troops are different

[Rusj]

I saw how they shoot from such guns two meters, iron, concrete, cotton wool

[Rusj]

saw an atomic explosion in slow motion

[AU Ivanov.]

We've been hearing these fairy tales about 200 rubles for five years now. Yes.

[AKS-U]

Sohu does not pose the question correctly at the root. The USSR and Russia are completely different quantities, even completely opposite in form of Power. The USSR is a people's power, Soviet Power, and the protection of the gains of socialism was required. And hence 9 aircraft carriers (including those on the stocks). Russia is a corporate democracy. But corporations such as Rusnano, Norilsk Nickel or AlRosa do not need aircraft carriers.
Under the USSR, Prague did not even think about moving the monument to I.S. Konev. And now - easily, Russia will wipe itself off after spitting in its direction.

[Rusj]

brother there is corporate solidarity.

[Rusj]

it will wipe itself off, yes we will wipe it off, but what will happen to these under-countries

[Rusj]

one day we will come and ask these poor people

[Rusj]

We'll come and ask! they are scared they are really scared that one day we will come

[Rusj]

we are the only ones in this world who come just ask politely

[Rusj]

why is everyone afraid of us? Vova said one day we’ll swim to the other side of this puddle and ask these dogs politely that they really can’t see the shore

[Rusj]

Aircraft carriers will not help them nothing will help them

[Rusj]

China and India are about 5 thousand years old, these are civilizations comparable to Egypt, even in those days they were afraid to breathe in our direction. Only a HORDE with a combined power of almost a million people was able to conquer us, but not for long! Rome brought the whole world to its knees, even little Greece and Macedonia made the whole world cry at their feet. Russia is the last EMPIRE on the planet; there is no other country comparable in power on the planet.

[Rusj]

In our country, kings and leaders are dying; we have revolutions comparable to the monstrous wars in their countries! We don’t value people, we don’t value ourselves, we are ready to die millions for the sake of a dream, we are the most monsters on the planet, there is no one worse than us

[zombirusrev]

This is when so many people lived in Mongolia, but now there are not so many people there. We and all of Geyvropa were bent over by no more than 3 tumens.

[AU Ivanov.]

What other people's and Soviet power? The country was ruled by the Central Committee of the CPSU, which was elected in its narrow circle, without the participation of the people. And the Soviets were, for the sake of smell, a purely decorative organ.

[Alien From]

Yes, at least downvote, because there is no money!!!!!!

[Rusj]

why do we need money

[Alien From]

Apparently you have no need(((

[Rusj]

why did you write this?

[Vadim237]

And when there is money, an aircraft carrier will not become a necessity.

[zombirusrev]

Citizen sausage lovers, don’t you know that the presence/absence of sausage and other consumer goods was completely under the control of the USSR elite. Nevzorov and others talked ALL about it, but the leadership decided to completely buy up the country, and before that it had to be discredited as much as possible. You sausage-phile citizens are still falling for this. Everything is clear with you, expect serfdom with sausage made from genetically modified digital pork, Medvedev will teach you the wrong thing.

[Rusj]

what are you smoking ? I want one too!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rusj]

Damn, you probably bought yourself a plot there!?

[Rusj]

maybe you cook Khimka and sausage is not childish

[Rusj]

Your brain has turned off! You're just ridiculous, your brain is dead

[AU Ivanov.]

The communists were in charge of everything, so they lived like that. The country was also ruined not by the Christian Democrats or the party of beer lovers, but by them, the sickle-hammers.

[ugol2]

Dear Chinese comrades,
Do you really want Russia to have 9 aircraft carriers?

[Radical]

The construction of nine aircraft carriers was a testament to the power of the former Soviet fleet […] In the end, only one remained. The rest have been sold or dismantled. This suggests that today's Russia is no longer the Soviet Union in military terms!

It is not the Soviet Union in any way!

[seagiftru]

Quote: Pavel57

For the sake of compliance with the Montreux Treaty, it was not worth fencing such a ship.

In fact, the Montreux Convention does not prohibit passage through the straits in peacetime anyx ships Black Sea powers The restrictions are purely technical. The aircraft is in the hangar. So Montreux has nothing to do with it.

[Avior]

It is unpleasantly surprising how cheaply the Soviet naval and aviation heritage was sold. The Chinese are still flattering

On October 6, 1994, between TsUMR and WES (Central Administration of Material Resources and Foreign Economic Relations of the Ministry of Defense) and South Korean company Young Distribution Company (Young Distribution Corp), through the mediation of Compass, contracts were signed 148/8/11014051 and 148 / 8/11014049, in accordance with which Minsk and Novorossiysk TAVKR were sold, for 4,583 million and 4,314 million US dollars, respectively.

Ukraine sold the unfinished Varyag to the Chinese for 20 million or so.
Gorshkov was given to the Indians for free; they paid money for its repairs and re-equipment and the supply of deck-based MiGs.

[Pavlov Sergey Alexandrovich]

Eh, what the hell does Russia need aircraft carriers in such numbers?) Firstly, it’s very expensive, and secondly, we don’t have any problems that could not be solved without AUG

[Mavrikiy]

Question from China: the USSR had 9 aircraft carriers, why did Russia have only one?

I think in China it’s time to prepare an answer to the question: China had 5 aircraft carriers, why does China have none left?

[lifelong couch potato]

Have all the sofa experts suddenly switched to OV? About yourself weakly? There are significantly more than 300 million of them and they do not have a tendency to rapidly reduce the population, which is becoming increasingly poor and sick, and becoming less and less educated. Is not it? The Kremlin, the oligarchs and Russia do what they want...But you’re just grinding something in the toilets with your not-so-healthy teeth! Everything up to the Urals will soon be taken away from you; Sakhalin is already being persistently asked to be given away after the Kuril Islands. Are foreign countries in your throat? What you want is what you get!!!

[lifelong couch potato]

I would like to answer Constructor68 with a simple and banal quote: a fish rots from the head. The Kremlin, its entourage and the oligarchs do what they want with Russia. And not understanding this is more expensive for yourself. A country with a bare bottom, but still with some weapons. There is degeneration in all directions...Is anyone against it? And will you continue to argue, foaming at the mouth, that Russia is not being brought down deliberately? Because the Kremlin doesn’t know what they’re doing? What does the tsar want by 70 percent to subdivide the oligarchs and other pack that steal and rob the people? Even the lousy colonels of the so-called. FSB finds billions of dollars... Wake up (or you're already complete suckers)!!!

[vnord]

Quote: Town Hall

And my father, a builder on a collective farm, received 70 rubles. And half the population of the USSR who worked in the countryside received that much. They paid 3 rubles 20 kopecks per working day

Check the year. My guy on the collective farm worked as a welder in a construction team from 1985 until the collapse of the USSR and received 500-600 rubles/month + at the end of the harvest season, more grain and sunflower seeds.

[lifelong couch potato]

T.N. “experts” and armchair experts break their paraffin arrows of criticism on the steel sides of aircraft carriers... Fun. In fact. Experts (from all over the world) believe that modern aircraft carriers simply have no future: large floating and light targets - especially in connection with new technologies in rocketry. One option: a rocket flying to a hyper dives in front of this box and hits the side under water. Oil painting! And even now it’s somehow scary to come closer than 600-1000 miles to the coast, if it’s not the Umba-Yumba tribe located there... The DPRK is a rabbit example. Apparently, it’s time to forget about these floating potential morgues for the next 10-20 years.

[region58]

Quote: Lifetime Bummer

a rocket flying to a hyper dives in front of this box and hits the side under water

I’m embarrassed to ask - will it dive right into hypersonics, and will it also go underwater in hypersonics?

[Zenina Blazevic]

I read and am amazed at the nonsense you write. My parents and I lived in Belarus, in a village. My father worked on a state farm. The state farm is a state enterprise, salaries there were always on time and in full. Collective farms: these are something like commercial cooperatives. Salaries there did not spoil the entire 1/2 per month, the second at the end of the year (by profit) This was the case in the 80s. My father worked on a tractor and received a salary of 70-300 rubles, depending on the season. During the season he slept for 5 hours. Mom cleaned the office and the salary was 60 rubles. My mother’s salary was enough for food, and my mother’s was used for a savings book. There were three of us parents, we helped around the house. My parents bought a Zhiguli six in 76 - brand new and a new trailer! During the off-season, my father had more free time and built himself. He built a garage 10 * 12 meters, there he had carpentry, a bathhouse and a summer kitchen, a metal greenhouse under glass, a gazebo under glass, a large barn and we have a large house 18 * 6 m. We had all this before Gorbachev came to power ( envelope - that was his nickname before he came to power. He was very fond of bribes, that’s where the nickname came from.) Before he came to power, there was enough of everything in the stores and there were no coupons for anything. I studied in Vitebsk even before his arrival and in the stores there was milk, meat, pork, beef, poultry. Those who didn’t drink lived very well.
And when Gorbachev came to power, food began to disappear in stores and coupons for everything began to be introduced. Collective and state farms could not sell their products to the state, since the state refused to purchase it and the collective and state farms suffered losses. They began to bury the meat in the ground and pour the milk into the ground. Then they started buying from abroad, but they still didn’t buy their own. And so began the collapse of the country. Those who were not present at that time do not know what really happened. And listening to stories about the bad USSR is not respecting yourself.
You compare the prices of products then and today, you eat them every day. Until the 90s, televisions were made of high quality, and then every bug and toad began to make them. I bought myself a color TV Horizon in 88 and it worked without repair until 91, and in 91 I bought it in a store and a few months later I took it to the factory where it was made and that factory occupied an area of ​​20 sq.m.! Here is the answer to the whole dispute.
They don’t like a good president abroad and try to slander him in every possible way and impose all sorts of sanctions, but they praise the bad one and cannot praise him. Because he helps them live well at your expense, not at your expense. If the president is not liked abroad, then he is on the right path!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Zenina Blazevic

I bought myself a color TV Horizon in 88 and it worked without repair until 91.

I found the Horizon receiver. On grandma's balcony. 1981 release. And it still plows, only I replaced the light bulbs with LEDs.

[Old26]

Quote: Vadim237

We will soon leave START 3 - and the number of strategic delivery vehicles and warheads will increase to the maximum, only these will be warheads with a yield of up to 80 - 100 kilotons - to save money and materials.

And to what maximum? Shall we rivet 35000 charges again? And what will we use to deliver to the maximum? I wonder what, if now the plant produces about 20-25 ICBMs per year, and we sometimes write off more per year? Or will we increase the number of our nuclear submarines of all types to the maximum? So nothing prevents us from building the same boats now, and not 1 every three years. And if we don’t build, it means there are no opportunities. So what will change if we withdraw from START-3???

[sleeve]

In the USA they dismantled "Ulyanovsk"?!
Well that's okay. In principle, this is not even why it jars. Well, let’s assume this is a real quote from a Chinese publication. Although I don’t think that “freedom of speech” in China has reached the level of widespread “pseudo-experts”. A counter question from our side could be about nuclear submarines. About BR. About long-range bombers. Why doesn’t someone so powerful in economic and technical (technological) terms (wow, what iPhones!!!) acquire the elements of defense potential that are so necessary for itself? (answer: he can’t). But not about that. The question posed in the article-quote is inappropriate and not smart. At the level of “Why is the whole world suffering from diarrhea, but you are not”? In principle, there were no aircraft carriers in the USSR before Kuznetsov. What 9?! Has anyone stolen a single ship from Ukraine? Where could they (ships) have been taken from Ukraine in 1991?! Combat?! In short, the notorious “Chinese journalists” (in my opinion, they don’t exist, but who knows) are playing a strategic questionnaire at the table level. Well, then it turns out...

[pafegosoff]

Why did the USSR have "Buran" - "Energia", but not in Russia?
Moreover, even China does not. Didn't have time to steal it!

[APASUS]

Thanks to our “partners”, they give us democracy, and we give them military technology. Well, while my friend Boris was clicking his glasses on the eve of a democratic freebie, they also managed to cut off our military-industrial complex

[shadow]

Admiral Kuznetsov is a heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser, but not an aircraft carrier. Who wrote the article - .

[Sergei71]

Once upon a time the USSR had leaders, but now....carls.

[Nubia2]

The answer is obvious - because capitalists are in power.

[Alexy]

What do you mean stolen from Ukraine???
He was transferred from the Black Sea Fleet to the Northern Fleet. It was Ukraine that stole the SKR-112 from the Black Sea Fleet and captured the base in Odessa