Chinese veterans spoke about the J-20 fighter

In China, on the occasion of the 70th anniversary of the creation of the country's air force for military veterans aviation The PLA decided to organize an excursion to one of the military airfields to introduce the latest achievements of the Chinese aircraft industry. The main part of this show was a demonstration of the Chinese fighter of the new generation J-20.

Chinese veterans, many of whom are already under 90, were asked about their opinions on the latest Chinese fighter.
One of the veterans noted that at one time he performed flights on a Soviet-made MiG-15 aircraft.

From an interview with Chinese media:

This plane was then assembled here in China, in Shenyang. Collected by agreement with the Soviet Union. Then it seemed to me and my comrades that this is a perfect machine, after which it is difficult to create something new. But now Chinese aviation is making a real leap forward. We create our own aircraft, which can be considered one of the best in the world.

Chinese veterans were told that today, fifth-generation fighters (according to the Chinese version - 4) of the J-20 generation are already not only making training flights, but also patrolling the air borders, for example, over the South China Sea, over the Gobi Desert.

Invited veterans noted that at one time there was no question of radio-electronic invisibility of airplanes, and now manufacturers and military personnel in many countries of the world pay special attention to this. One of the veterans noted that he would give a lot in order to fly a J-20 in the cockpit, but age does not allow this.

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[Spike Javelin Touvich]

There are no former pilots

[Terenin]

Chinese veterans, many of whom are already under 90, were asked about their opinions on the latest Chinese fighter.

To this logical question, I, by the way, saw only such an answer

One of the veterans noted that at one time he performed flights on a Soviet-made MiG-15 aircraft.

[pafegosoff]

"... vegetable gardens, vegetable gardens. And to Kotovsky ..."
"... squadrons! Checkers are bald! Gysya aysh!"
In general, when you are 90 ... Were they gathered for the 70th anniversary of the founding of the PRC?

[svp67]

Chinese veterans were told that today, fifth-generation fighters (according to the Chinese version - 4) of the J-20 generation are already not only making training flights, but also patrolling the air borders, for example, over the South China Sea, over the Gobi Desert.

This is certainly good, but our Su-57 fighter has already been noted in the fighting.

One of the veterans noted that at one time he performed flights on a Soviet-made MiG-15 aircraft.

They fought on them in the skies of Korea, only according to the recollection of our veterans of that war, they were very offended that the USSR supplies them with the MiG-15, and gives its pilots the MiG-15bis

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: svp67

They fought on them in the skies of Korea, only according to the recollection of our veterans of that war, they were very offended that the USSR supplies them with the MiG-15, and gives its pilots the MiG-15bis

So what to do? Export option .....

[svp67]

Quote: stalkerwalker

So what to do? Export option .....

Rather, "disposal" of the released. Somewhere these planes had to be sent, but "encores" and their own air force were not enough

[PPD]

If you don’t knock yourself with your heel in the chest, then who will?
Why is this staged meeting here?
Show fighters from a distance and ask their opinion, under a television camera.
Well, compare only with Mig 15. Like it seemed to me that this is a good car ....- the most important thing in this phrase is a comma, since it denies that it is a comma. This is not the first time I've been reading disguised attacks on Russia by the Chinese.

[dirk182]

And what is staged ??? Likewise, our veterans are shown new equipment. And all the rules. The reaction of VO readers is surprising. The veteran didn’t say, "We make the best airplanes." One of the best. Where does so much anger towards other people's achievements come from? Moreover, this news is printed by our media.

[Tersky]

Quote: dirk182

Why is there so much anger towards other people's achievements?

The anger of the people from the fact that these are really alien achievements, collected into a single Chinese.

[telobezumnoe]

did someone come up with a wheel, and now no one should do the same? everything new is a symbiosis of the old, and our planes were once copies of others .. if not for copyright then progress would have been even higher

[Boa kaa]

Quote: telobezumnoe

everything new is a symbiosis of the old

Oh how! Yes you, my friend, HfilosOf !? But the message is fundamentally wrong: for nothing new will come out of the old. The new is a qualitative leap, a break in the sequence of former properties ... At least Hegel thought so, but you, apparently, think differently ...

Quote: telobezumnoe

if not for copyright, then progress would have been even higher

Believe the experience: in the military sphere, they wanted to sneeze on copyrights, because no one would ever give a technical inspection of their secret products to another state, in which this know-how was stiffened and implemented at home ... For this, there is intelligence and counterintelligence to tyry / protect the military secrets of the state ... Do not believe me? Well, then remember the story of the Tu-4, Stinger, Mayverick ... (About the Manhattan project - a moot point, but intelligence helped a lot. The main thing was to save time in a time-troubled country!)
So both of your statements are highly controversial ...

[telobezumnoe]

nothing new from the old? they took one old stuck to another old-got a new .. everything is based on previous experience, and often new at the junction of various existing solutions. a person simply spies on an existing one and combines to obtain the necessary properties. Further, about copyright, it’s from a civilian topic, and without this restriction, progress would be even faster, as from your example, imagine no one would hide their developments and everything was in the public domain, unless progress would accelerate ???

[tomket]

Quote: Tersky

The anger of the people from the fact that these are really alien achievements, collected into a single Chinese.

Well, actually, any technique is created. It is foolish to ignore other people's achievements, and try to constantly invent a bicycle.

[Tersky]

Quote: tomket

It is foolish to ignore other people's achievements, and try to constantly invent a bicycle.

This is you in the International Patenting of Inventions tell, there they will understand you

[Yves762]

Quote: Tersky

This is you in the International Patenting of Inventions tell, there they will understand you

Yes? Then maybe you will "return" the gunpowder to the Chinese?

Quote: tomket

It is foolish to ignore other people's achievements, and try to constantly invent a bicycle.

- Well, a motorcycle is still better ...

[Tersky]

Quote: Yves762

Then maybe you will "return" the gunpowder to the Chinese?

Required but after they return the AK-47. By the way, find me at least one mention of gunpowder in the list of goods transported from China. Although the demand for it was constant and high, you will not find it there. Interesting fact, isn't it?

[Yves762]

Quote: Tersky

Interesting fact, isn't it?

Not interesting, because the raw materials were not only in China, unlike the same natural silk.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Yves762

Then maybe you will "return" the gunpowder to the Chinese?

Nah ... only china ...
And ... about silk with paper - don't even stutter! As well as about missiles, in their military use ... And also about the terricon army at the mausoleum of Emperor Qin Shihuandi in Xi'an ...

[PPD]

The veteran could compare with F. 16-compared with Mig. By chance, yeah.
But the fact that the dushmans in Afghanistan ran with Chinese Kalash, probably shot at the banks, is it your way:

Why is there so much anger towards other people's achievements?

.
Found yourself "friends".

[dirk182]

Found yourself "friends".

You are interpreting something strange. Have you decided to have a hypanut?

[PPD]

Smarter not come up with anything?
Or did you realize that you are writing heresy?

[dirk182]

Or did you realize that you are writing heresy?

all clear. You just have to cling and talk. This is not for me.

[PPD]

Got it!
As a bonus, take a look at Chinese history books, for example.
Clarify what they consider-TEMPORARILY lost territories.
I have a cloud of relatives with Blagoveshchensk and its environs. What they calmly give out on this subject ......
And you can consider that such "meetings" are pure coincidence, as well as the fact that this meeting was found and published here.

[dirk182]

AND EVEN IF this is a supposed enemy, then you don't need to be hysterical about this. Be courageous. And if anyone claims “Why are they so strong now that they cause fear in a country like Russia”, then this is not to the Chinese. OK? It was 20 years old.

[PPD]

You, I see, do not understand how this is removed, written. and for what.
Courageous you are ours. Good! Admire further.

[tomket]

Quote: PPD

The veteran could compare with F. 16-compared with Mig. By chance, yeah.

Quote: PPD

The veteran could compare with F. 16-compared with Mig. By chance, yeah.

On what the veteran flew, he compared with that. Or do you think he flew on f-16 in the 50's?

[PPD]

Your naivety is simply amazing.
And carefully read the Chinese between the lines, no?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: PPD

Your naivety is simply amazing.

Dmitry, I think you are greatly exaggerating. And by doing so, you are unwittingly pouring water on Trump's mill, whose ultimate task is to separate the Russian and Chinese barricades on opposite sides, because it is easier to crush them one by one. But the alliance "RF + China" - is no longer within the Yankees' forces ... And in Fashistong they understand this perfectly! And you, unfortunately, no. I do not think that the country's leadership does not blindly trust Comrade. Si ... but so far this is a real panacea for the States, which, please note, openly press us with sanctions and have declared them the main threat to the United States.
Or do you have a friend infa? Then, Zai Zogut, share your secret knowledge with us, unenlightened!

[PPD]

Union is possible between economically equal countries
.

And in Fascistong this is well understood! And you, unfortunately, no.

In addition, there is a fairly rich experience of observing the Chinese.
And how they betrayed their teachers with ease. I, fortunately, this burden has passed, but I had to solder the person. And this is not an isolated case.
To consider them friends who will not leave you in a difficult hour is a big mistake.
Do I read the news alone?
Hunter rolled out, the reaction of the Chinese is nonsense and not stealth, since ......
Su 57 showed the Chinese, yes, this is all nonsense, but so be it and take one to see ....
You do not transfer your life position to them. This is a big mistake. They are not Japanese or even Koreans.
Whether management believes or not, unfortunately, makes no difference. If China closes the supply of all goods tomorrow, how then? Will you also sing about great friendship?
Can I continue with numerous examples, meaning?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: PPD

To consider them friends who will not leave you in a difficult hour is a big mistake.

Russia, like Great Britain, has no permanent friends, but has constant interests ... because its two permanent friends are the Army and Navy. These things the Russian autocrat Alexander III said, however.

Quote: PPD

they betrayed their teachers with ease.

They do not abandon their own - Mao Zedong is still revered. And they never read "Russian" teachers ... So, that's not the point!

Quote: PPD

You do not transfer your life position to them. This is a big mistake. They are not Japanese or even Koreans.

Never endured. And the Asians by mentality are very close to each other ... But the Yapas of China are hated fiercely and passionately, about the same as we are fascists!

Quote: PPD

If China closes the supply of all goods tomorrow, how then?

And you think that import substitution is only against Western stuff, and the Chinese are not included in the price list. So what do you think? Well, tady - oh!

[Letun]

Quote: PPD

The veteran could compare with F. 16-compared with Mig. By chance, yeah.

No coincidence, yeah. On the MiG, he fought, and what does the opus about the F-16, absolutely not understandable.

[mmaxx]

It cannot be attacked. The Chinese write hieroglyphs. There you can understand anything as you like. Here, it’s rather not very well formulated in Russian.
In general, based on personal experience: that generation of Chinese people treats the USSR very well and gratefully. Largely because the Russians treated the Chinese well.

[Nycomed]

And also, veterans probably said that the I-16 is better!

[Tersky]

Quote: Nycomed

And also, veterans probably said that the I-16 is better!

No, they couldn't say that. The problem is that there was no I-16 in China, but there was a Chan-28 Chia (copy-paste with I-16). So a little off the mark .

[Nycomed]

So what? The bottom line is one!

[Tersky]

Quote: Nycomed

The bottom line is one!

The essence of the name of the aircraft,

[g1washntwn]

Most visitors to the Museum of Modern Art wrote in reviews that they would have painted and piled heaps of garbage much more beautifully. So the Chinese veterans, looked at the pictures, read the performance characteristics and admired ... but try not to admire from the other side.

[Astra55]

What could veterans say? And I will say what the veterans said. Any, including Chinese.
"But in our time ....! .... The sight on the windshield was drawn and brought down by the Merkans, only the feathers flew ...! And now stealth, long-range missiles, ... the current generation is shrinking ..."
For this, veterans are needed so that youth do not go astray.

[Magic archer]

A sect of minusers started up on the site ?! Okay, they would set the inadequacies, but then everyone in a row. Sliding Lord Comrades

[telobezumnoe]

I wrote in a different topic that I think that moment 1.44 is the most beautiful plane that I have ever seen and also picked up minuses)) here this tool is used somehow strange, okay when a person is mistaken makes incorrect conclusions, behaves unculturally this can still be noted as a minus .. but when such a subjective representation as beauty. )) but to be honest, these pros and cons .. do not pay attention

[Boa kaa]

Quote: telobezumnoe

behaving uncivilized is it still ...

what?
Excuse me, colleague ... but I am not stuck with a run: what is it - "to behave" unculturally "!?"
Explain, plz, dull ...
(or check, when you knock on the clave, that you are releasing it to the world! what nonsense you sculpt!)
AHA.

[76rtbr]

what veterans ???? do not tell grandmother !!! the sofa was blown away with laughter !!!

[tomket]

Quote: 76rtbr

what veterans ???? do not tell grandmother !!! the sofa was blown away with laughter !!!

Look do not burst there from anger.

[iouris]

The Chinese demonstrate the continuity of generations, not just the plane. This is the ideological education of the new generation. The veteran is no longer an expert. His task is to express the "correct" idea. In addition, the Chinese reminded too much (and someone found out with surprise) that China is the first victim of World War II, a member of the anti-Japanese coalition, a winner in World War II and an active participant in the Korean war against the US-led coalition.

[Russian Central Asian]

I do not want to offend anyone, but why this article.

[Boozer]

Vigorous grandfathers! Are they exactly 90?

[Thunderbolt]

Greetings to the Chinese brothers in arms from Sergey Kramarenko.
No matter how the roads near our countries diverged, the US Air Force did not feel calm in the Korean sky.

[Zliy_mod]

I am proud of such Ukrainians as Kramarenko and his commander Kozhedub, lowered the Americanic Airforce below the baseboard in the skies of Korea!)

[ezdiumno ru]

Generally speaking, the Chinese J-20 is an improved version of the Russian prototype MIG-1.44. : D

[energoteknolog]

It was also necessary to give a flight to complete the feeling, well, or ride.

[Hikaro]

China really has something to be proud of! And the pace of rearmament of the army and its training cannot but inspire concern! For those who consider China to be an ally very much mistaken, For China and its goals extend not only in South Ossetia but around the world! So as soon as the dragon spreads its wings, it will not seem to anyone !! In China itself, the principle of the exclusivity of the Chinese nation is cultivated. Accordingly, to everyone else in the world, relations are arrogant with contempt! But there is something to learn from China! By the way, the Bolsheviks did not consider it shameful to learn from the capitalists, though it was a question of trade, but as a principle, it remained!

[Oleg133]

The Chinese do not hold a treaty (s) some Russian count, I do not remember, 18-19 century