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Bild: “curse” lies on buildings of Soviet group of forces in Germany

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At the former locations of Soviet troops in Germany lies a “curse”: no one knows who should deal with the legacy of the USSR. This is written by the German tabloid Bild.




Twenty-five years ago, the Soviet Army left Germany. After the withdrawal of troops on the territory of the now former GDR, 777 barracks remained: at the peak of military presence, 337 800 soldiers lived in them. Now the former military units are in ruins, turning into a kind of “curse” for the German authorities: no one wants to tackle this sensitive issue. It is noted that this recalls a "totalitarian past."

It's a shame that after so many years, the ruins left over from the Russians have not been cleared.

- complains Conrad Felber (65 years), ex-head of the documentation department of the Dresden Stasi.

In some places, local authorities independently got down to business.

After the withdrawal of Soviet troops, three hundred acres of land were left with barracks on them. We demolished them, planted a forest, built a solar power plant. All those ruins that can be seen now are on the list historical monuments.

- Bild quotes the leader of one of the German communes Ralph Hanzel.

The Law on the Protection of Monuments prevents the demolition of most of the buildings. Some of them are in the hands of private owners, are located on the territory of nature reserves or are awaiting repair. In addition, there is often simply no money for demolition.

Despite the fact that the Committee for the Protection of Monuments expects to restore at least part of the Soviet legacy, the main obstacle is that it is not known who should take responsibility for this issue.
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  1. Evil echo
    Evil echo 13 September 2019 09: 04
    +26
    The Committee for the Protection of Monuments expects to restore at least part of the Soviet heritage, the main obstacle is that it is not known who should take responsibility for this issue.

    Invite the RF Armed Forces, we will quickly restore everything good
    1. neri73-r
      neri73-r 13 September 2019 09: 09
      +8
      Let them cherish, we will come back! History is cyclical.
      1. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 13 September 2019 09: 13
        +9
        Quote: neri73-r
        Let them cherish, we will come back! History is cyclical.

        Take care. Our barracks do not suit them, and airfields are happy to occupy and allow the Americans to exploit!
        1. neri73-r
          neri73-r 13 September 2019 09: 15
          +1
          Quote: Starover_Z
          Quote: neri73-r
          Let them cherish, we will come back! History is cyclical.

          Take care. Our barracks do not suit them, and airfields are happy to occupy and allow the Americans to exploit!

          Yes, fighting gays in our barracks are uncomfortable, there is no place to retire, there aren’t enough capters for everyone.
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 13 September 2019 09: 21
            0
            The Law on the Protection of Monuments prevents the demolition of most of the buildings.
            And rightly so! There is also a club there, which our current president was in charge of "undercover"! good
            1. Lbt21
              Lbt21 13 September 2019 10: 57
              -8
              Our without a cover organized a sauna and girls for generals from the headquarters! And it hung around at the genetic level and he out of habit wore a suitcase for a long time and organized a bathhouse and girls for others! laughing wassat
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 14 September 2019 09: 51
                +2
                Quote: Lbt21
                Our without a cover organized a sauna and girls for generals from the headquarters!

                You are just an ordinary trapper, because their office had nothing to do with the GSVG headquarters, and moreover, they were not even subordinate to the head of the department of special departments of the group in operational terms. Do you even understand what nonsense you are carrying in the eyes of those who know how everything was arranged in Soviet times.
                1. Pivasik
                  Pivasik 14 September 2019 13: 18
                  +1
                  Totally agree
        2. KCA
          KCA 13 September 2019 09: 25
          +22
          During the service in the GBV, almost all the structures in the regiment remained a Nazi building, even a parade ground and pavers, so let them bear it, it's their past
          1. Pedrodepackes
            Pedrodepackes 13 September 2019 10: 03
            +6
            Quote: KCA
            almost all the structures in the regiment were still Nazi buildings

            Yes, for sure, we had the same garbage, only we built the boxes ourselves.
          2. Alexander Ra
            Alexander Ra 13 September 2019 10: 07
            +3
            My garrison in Rangsdorf was razed to the ground. There was only an overgrown parade ground.
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 13 September 2019 10: 50
              +3
              The barracks in Torgau are still standing! But the point on Schneeekopf, that's all! Well, there is a tourist place, Oberhof near by.
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 13 September 2019 11: 36
                +3
                Quote: Phil77
                The barracks in Torgau are still standing! But the point on Schneeekopf, that's all! Well, there is a tourist place, Oberhof near by.

                I have been to all these places, and I know them well. Here is what the brigade building looks like in our time:

                There’s a funny story about your team:
                The story, which will be discussed below, occurred in the beautiful city of Torgau (GDR), where 82 separate Special Purpose Brigades were deployed

                http://zapravdu.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2561&start=50
                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 13 September 2019 12: 19
                  0
                  Good afternoon! Excuse me for your curiosity, did you also serve in the 82nd?
                  1. ccsr
                    ccsr 13 September 2019 12: 29
                    +1
                    Quote: Phil77
                    Good afternoon! Excuse me for your curiosity, did you also serve in the 82nd?

                    No, I did not serve in the brigade itself, but I spent several months in total over five years in it and its periphery on various issues. So it can be said, I have some idea of ​​everything that was done there in the late eighties and early nineties.
                    1. Phil77
                      Phil77 13 September 2019 12: 48
                      0
                      Yeah. I see, I see! And in your archive, by any chance, there is no photo of the building of the former ShMS?
                      1. ccsr
                        ccsr 13 September 2019 12: 54
                        +1
                        Quote: Phil77
                        And in your archive by chance there is no photo of the building of the former ShMS? In its current form, of course.

                        This picture was taken about ten years ago.
                      2. Phil77
                        Phil77 13 September 2019 12: 59
                        0
                        Yes ... Everything is in the past. Autumn 81-spring of the 82nd. Study in this institution.
                      3. ccsr
                        ccsr 13 September 2019 13: 00
                        0
                        Quote: Phil77
                        Yes ... Everything is in the past. Autumn 81-spring of the 82nd. Study in this institution.

                        And then where was they sent?
                      4. Phil77
                        Phil77 13 September 2019 13: 03
                        +1
                        Schneekopf. On the mountain is fog, and you are above the fog! (Autumn-Winter-Spring, summer really is the sun). But the places are beautiful !!!
                      5. ccsr
                        ccsr 13 September 2019 13: 10
                        0
                        Quote: Phil77
                        Schneekopf. On the mountain is fog, and you are above the fog! (Autumn-Winter-Spring, summer really is the sun). But the places are beautiful !!!

                        I visited there several times, and saw the clouds under my feet. The first snow was in September, and I saw it too. In 1992, there was already no one at the German tower, and tourists from West Germany walked around our thorn, although earlier even East Germans were forbidden to go there. The Eighth Army left, so there was no one from the brigade in those parts except the tower itself.
                      6. Phil77
                        Phil77 13 September 2019 13: 24
                        0
                        Eastern? Ha!, In the 82nd, in those parts of the world there were no others (well, we will not take spies into account). Rather, they were, but not on the mountain, but below.
                      7. ccsr
                        ccsr 13 September 2019 13: 28
                        0
                        Quote: Phil77
                        Eastern? Ha!, In the 82nd, in those parts of the world there weren’t

                        I say that there was a restricted area and beyond Oberhof and the springboard they did not rise.
                      8. Phil77
                        Phil77 13 September 2019 13: 31
                        0
                        And by the way, we ran down to the gym in the mornings! There still downstairs something like a restaurant was in the form of a chalet, and we ran past it.
                      9. Phil77
                        Phil77 13 September 2019 13: 39
                        0
                        Yes, and according to Torgau! In the 82nd, Zaitsev came to our brigade in our soldier’s dining room with his retinue. Novy dishes! They even gave out the forks. Was the dining room still interesting? Although it should, because the whole complex was still built for the Reichswehr.
                      10. ccsr
                        ccsr 13 September 2019 13: 46
                        +1
                        Quote: Phil77
                        Interestingly, the dining room remains?

                        I dined in it, and more than once, so in the nineties he was there. Burlakov also came to the brigade - this was the last commander in chief.
                      11. ccsr
                        ccsr 13 September 2019 13: 48
                        +1
                        Quote: Phil77
                        .Interesting dining room remained?

                        Here he looked recently
                      12. oldzek
                        oldzek 13 September 2019 14: 17
                        +2
                        an amazing thing: they say the Soviet barracks say ... but I remember we have one of the concreted windows marked 1943. and you guys are lucky, you can nostalgic looking at the pictures. But for those who served in the 6th war ... demolished.
                      13. Phil77
                        Phil77 13 September 2019 14: 46
                        0
                        Thank you! It was like yesterday.
                      14. ccsr
                        ccsr 13 September 2019 17: 51
                        0
                        Quote: Phil77
                        Thank you! It was like yesterday.

                        If you are very interested in the photo of Schneekopf, then search the site for your team or the site of Torgau in the search engine, there are even more photos from your former duty station. There is information on the site
                        http://www.gsvg.ru/pisma/gruppa/82_brigada/166-82-brigada-osnaz.html
                      15. ccsr
                        ccsr 20 September 2019 18: 56
                        -1
                        Quote: Phil77
                        Thank you! It was like yesterday.

                        There is a special issue of the magazine dedicated to 82 brigades.


                2. lis-ik
                  lis-ik 13 September 2019 20: 48
                  0
                  Quote: ccsr
                  Quote: Phil77
                  The barracks in Torgau are still standing! But the point on Schneeekopf, that's all! Well, there is a tourist place, Oberhof near by.

                  I have been to all these places, and I know them well. Here is what the brigade building looks like in our time:

                  There’s a funny story about your team:
                  The story, which will be discussed below, occurred in the beautiful city of Torgau (GDR), where 82 separate Special Purpose Brigades were deployed

                  http://zapravdu.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2561&start=50

                  The barracks are almost one in one, the former 32nd Panzer Division in the city of Uterborg.
          3. 113262a
            113262a 13 September 2019 12: 40
            +1
            It is unlikely! About 10 years ago, the territory of the division in Zeithein was still untouched. Now demolished EVERYTHING! Only the town hall remained for hours, and two Soviet monuments in place of the 70th and 95th regiments. Ours, 23 TP barracks, as far back as the 19th century of the hussar regiment, demolished the clean one. DOSes also stood. Today they demolished EVERYTHING! now there are solar fields and windmills. The landfill has not yet been plowed.
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 13 September 2019 12: 47
              +1
              Quote: 113262
              About 10 years ago, the territory of the division in Zeithein was still untouched.

              He visited more than once in Zeithein and in this tank regiment. In this division, the officers of the Group were often held at which many elements of the military service and the actions of the military unit were put on alert. There were interesting times, study at the GSVG was set up like in no other USSR district, so there is something to remember.
            2. ccsr
              ccsr 16 September 2019 11: 17
              0
              Quote: 113262
              Only the town hall remained for hours, and two Soviet monuments in place of the 70th and 95th regiments.

              Maybe this monument was left?
          4. lis-ik
            lis-ik 13 September 2019 20: 46
            +1
            Quote: KCA
            During the service in the GBV, almost all the structures in the regiment remained a Nazi building, even a parade ground and pavers, so let them bear it, it's their past

            And so it was. They lived in the former German barracks. The pleasure is still something. Damp brick buildings, which were completely heated, did not have enough boiler room capacity. And I don't even want to talk about washing in the "bathhouse". The tooth did not fall on the tooth. It was very damp in the barracks; many had boils that did not pass without a hospital.
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 13 September 2019 21: 01
              +1
              But with our coal briquettes, the sleeping quarters were heated, the diurnals with a healthy basket went to the warehouse and collected. But many also had boils, it was rather from the climate there.
              1. lis-ik
                lis-ik 13 September 2019 21: 04
                +1
                Quote: Phil77
                And with our coal briquettes, the sleeping quarters were heated, the daily rooms with a healthy basket went to the warehouse and gathered.

                We so heated the tents at the training ground, although the barracks too, but there was a boiler room. Now buying a shoe polish sponge, I always remember the charcoal briquette from GSVG.
                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 13 September 2019 21: 51
                  0
                  Ha ha ha ha! laughing And with me they are tightly associated with laundry soap! But black!
                  1. lis-ik
                    lis-ik 13 September 2019 21: 53
                    +1
                    Quote: Phil77
                    Ha ha ha ha! laughing And with me they are tightly associated with laundry soap! But black!

                    We had exactly this shape, with rounded edges, and the size of one to one. Really looks like a shoe polish sponge.
                    1. Phil77
                      Phil77 13 September 2019 21: 55
                      +1
                      Yes, yes. There, the edge was still going around the edge, and in the middle the name of the company was written.
                      1. lis-ik
                        lis-ik 13 September 2019 22: 03
                        +1
                        Quote: Phil77
                        Yes, yes. There, the edge was still going around the edge, and in the middle the name of the company was written.

                        At the training ground, there was a funny incident, according to the "spirit". I decided to crush the ground in an empty tent, but it was cool. It doesn't matter, I found this coal, decided to set fire to and light the stove, but the infection did not want to flare up. I went to my car and decided to drain the gasoline for ignition. I had to urgently sharpen a can of saury in oil from dry ration to free a small container for gasoline. Stealthily I got to the empty tent again, they stood at a distance from the battalion, for whom I don’t know, splashed on this damned coal, he did not want to flare up, I splashed more and blew right away. The bottom line. I am without eyelashes and eyebrows and with a red muzzle. Moreover, everyone understood that I wanted to "rummage around".
                      2. Phil77
                        Phil77 14 September 2019 10: 28
                        0
                        Oh, how much was there! By the way, a colleague gave an example from the life of our brigade, take an interest, he gave the coordinates where this case is described.
                      3. 113262a
                        113262a 16 September 2019 12: 28
                        0
                        REKORD Briquettes of two types were large and small. Made in Cottbus.
        3. Tersky
          Tersky 13 September 2019 11: 58
          +1
          Quote: Starover_Z
          and the airfields are happy to occupy and let the Americans exploit!

          Airfields are flowers. Since the 50s, the United States has been storing, according to unconfirmed reports, up to 20 atomic bombs at the Büchel Air Force Base in the federal state of Rhineland-Palatinate. Germany is a member of the so-called NATO planning group. Work in this group stems from the obligation of Germany as a member of NATO to participate in the nuclear program of the alliance. This guarantees the right to vote when planning or conducting NATO nuclear operations. In exchange, Germany undertakes to provide aircraft capable of carrying atomic weapons and to store nuclear weapons on its territory. Something like this, hi
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 13 September 2019 12: 49
            +1
            Quote: Tersky
            Work in this group stems from the obligation of Germany as a member of NATO to participate in the nuclear program of the alliance. This guarantees the right to vote when planning or conducting NATO nuclear operations.

            This is not so - the Americans do not allow anyone from the allies to plan nuclear weapons, even at a tactical level. So no one will give them a decree, and they will not agree anything with anyone - this is the basis of their doctrine of the use of nuclear weapons.
            1. Tersky
              Tersky 13 September 2019 13: 28
              +1
              Quote: ccsr
              This is not so - the Americans do not allow anyone from the allies to plan nuclear weapons, even at a tactical level.

              belay Really? "Ministry of Defense: NATO trains Polish pilots in the use of nuclear weapons" https://topwar.ru/65523-minoborony-nato-obuchaet-polskih-letchikov-primeneniyu-yadernogo-oruzhiya.html . Если этот источник вам не внушает доверия, то ознакомьтесь здесь: The main activities of operational and combat training of the air forces of the European countries of NATO in 2011 (2012) http://factmil.com/publ/strana/belgija/osnovnye_meroprijatija_operativnoj_i_boevoj_podgotovki_vvs_evropejskikh_stran_nato_v_2011_godu_2012/53-1-0-74
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 13 September 2019 18: 24
                +1
                Quote: Tersky
                Really? "Ministry of Defense: NATO trains Polish pilots in the use of nuclear weapons"

                They can also train Ukrainians, only the nuclear weapons themselves will trust them.
                Quote: Tersky
                If this source does not inspire confidence in you, then read here: The main activities of operational and combat training of the air forces of the European countries of NATO in 2011 (2012)

                From other sources, I studied aspects of the US military doctrine, and in particular the procedure for using nuclear weapons. There was not at least some participation of other NATO countries - this is a principled approach of the US top military leadership. I'm not talking about the fact that a large number of European theater
                US bases that are outside NATO's jurisdiction and have no control over them at all. By the way, the Americans carried out the withdrawal of Pershing from Europe on the basis of agreements with the USSR, and not because the European pacifists had eaten a baldness to them - they were all frightened by the possibility of using tactical nuclear weapons by the GSVG command without consulting Moscow in a crisis situation.
                I note that you misinterpreted the words of Colonel O. Ignatiev from ZVO, because he writes about the technical feasibility of using aircraft of European NATO members,
                - preparation of carrier aircraft of European NATO countries for the use of tactical nuclear weapons;
                and not that the Americans will trust them with their nuclear weapons - these are completely different concepts.
                Colonel O. Ignatiev does not mention anywhere that the Americans will trust the use of their nuclear weapons in other countries - you are inattentively reading the text of the article. France and Great Britain have tactical nuclear weapons, so there is no need to ascribe to the author of the article what he did not speak about.
          2. KCA
            KCA 13 September 2019 13: 03
            0
            The meaning of placing tactical thermonuclear bombs in Europe is not clear, a single flight of an aircraft can be missed, but a massive takeoff will immediately put the entire command of our Defense Ministry on the ears, all forces and means will immediately be put on full alert, at least one of the old men of Germany will break through. Tornado "or F-16 through air defense? I doubt it, but the answer will already be rocket, and definitely not with conventional warheads
        4. brr1
          brr1 13 September 2019 22: 23
          +1
          Quote: Starover_Z
          Quote: neri73-r
          Let them cherish, we will come back! History is cyclical.

          Take care. Our barracks do not suit them, and airfields are happy to occupy and allow the Americans to exploit!

          The most interesting thing is that when parents served there, they lodged in the barracks of the Luftwaffe. Kötten City
      2. apro
        apro 13 September 2019 09: 40
        0
        Quote: neri73-r
        Let them cherish, we will come back! History is cyclical.

        And why are you coming back? And how?
        1. neri73-r
          neri73-r 13 September 2019 11: 09
          0
          With the release! tongue remind me how many times the Russian troops took Paris and Berlin? And also London in stock! wassat And just do not, like Sami you’ll go take it or on the couch .... hi
      3. Pedrodepackes
        Pedrodepackes 13 September 2019 10: 02
        +1
        Quote: neri73-r
        Let them cherish, we will come back!

        yes the fact of the matter is that they don’t cherish
        Despite the fact that the Committee for the Protection of Monuments expects to restore at least part of the Soviet legacy, the main obstacle is that it is not known who should take responsibility for this issue.
        if there is a question of restoration, then someone has destroyed.
    2. Lbt21
      Lbt21 13 September 2019 10: 52
      +4
      Can we restore everything at home first?
      1. BARKAS
        BARKAS 13 September 2019 12: 20
        +1
        Buildings and structures on the territory of former military units have long been dismantled by the local population.
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  2. svp67
    svp67 13 September 2019 09: 08
    +17
    It's a shame that after so many years, the ruins left over from the Russians have not been cleared.
    Ruins? When our troops left Germany, all military camps surrendered to the German side in fully operational condition, the Germans had already brought them to ruins. But that is their business. And they would have thought more of how to send the Americans out of their territory as well, otherwise they would be occupied, so they would remain
    1. Nycomed
      Nycomed 13 September 2019 09: 18
      -1
      But they don’t need to think, the Americans themselves go to Poland .. And there they have where to stay. In the former barracks of the former SGV.
      1. svp67
        svp67 13 September 2019 09: 34
        +2
        Quote: Nycomed
        And there they have a place to stay. In the former barracks of the former SGV.

        It’s all the easier for our specialists to set coordinates for missile and aviation strikes.
  3. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 13 September 2019 09: 16
    +2
    I won’t be surprised if they continue to demand compensation for the disposal of debris.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 13 September 2019 11: 39
      +2
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      I won’t be surprised if they continue to demand compensation for the disposal of debris.

      They will not demand it — they have the stigma in the cannon themselves, because they did not pay us the huge sums that they received without us from the sale of our property, and were obliged to share it with us, subtracting their overhead costs.
  4. LiSiCyn
    LiSiCyn 13 September 2019 09: 20
    +7
    And "you" say the Kaliningrad region ... They are the GDR, they cannot digest. Until now, living standards and salaries are different.
    Historical monuments are the old German barracks and buildings. We (Kaliningrad) also have these ...
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  5. Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 13 September 2019 09: 23
    +12
    I propose to advertise in Build (in a German newspaper) of the following content: I am ready to take on free of charge responsibility for putting things in order on the territory of the former military garrisons of the GSVG. I promise to restore everything with historical accuracy, including soldiers in the barracks, officers in the DOS, tanks and other military equipment, weapons in the parks, ammunition, and property in warehouses. Contact address: Moscow, Department for the Preservation of Historical Memory, Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
  6. saveall
    saveall 13 September 2019 09: 32
    +1
    All is correct. They are waiting for the time of the missing owners ...
  7. garri-lin
    garri-lin 13 September 2019 09: 39
    +3
    777 damned objects? 7th figure is happy. This is not a curse, it is a protective spell. Old walls await worthy owners. Remember and wait.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 13 September 2019 11: 43
      +1
      Quote: garri-lin
      777 damned objects? 7th figure is happy. This is not a curse, it is a protective spell.

      This figure is not accurate - for example, border guards in Berlin, some structures of the Baltic Fleet, and property of the KGB of the USSR were listed separately from the GSVG. So do not hope for a miracle - we will never return there, it was too costly to maintain a half-million group of Ground Forces and Russia will not be able to pull it.
      1. garri-lin
        garri-lin 13 September 2019 12: 25
        0
        Well it is clear.
  8. Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 13 September 2019 09: 45
    +2
    Let them say thanks to Gorbachev and those who "persuaded", otherwise all the negotiations had to be conducted from Bonn. Interestingly, Hitler's legacy, for example, was the bunker completely restored?
    1. mentle
      mentle 13 September 2019 10: 02
      0
      No, there was only one stayed in Berlin, and even that he did not attend. But the fact that there is a photo of Hitler and other guys in the Bundestag and retouched is a fact ...
      1. Chaldon48
        Chaldon48 13 September 2019 11: 41
        +1
        Could you tell me in more detail where these photos are and where someone has been rustling?
        1. mentle
          mentle 13 September 2019 19: 08
          0
          In the evening I’ll be near the computer, I'll throw it off.
        2. mentle
          mentle 14 September 2019 10: 28
          0
          And here is the photo.


  9. Poteryashka
    Poteryashka 13 September 2019 09: 56
    +1
    The Russians are gone and there is no one to tackle the ruins. But then, when the Russians only came to those lands, there were also ruins, but the buildings of residential buildings and factories grew very quickly. Compare.
    1. mentle
      mentle 13 September 2019 10: 14
      +1
      Even in Berlin there are a lot of buildings destroyed and abandoned ... What surprised the huge building in the center of the Teacher’s House and it is abandoned.
  10. Igor Borisov_2
    Igor Borisov_2 13 September 2019 10: 11
    0
    Now the former military units are in ruins, turning into a kind of “curse” for the German authorities

    The same will happen with American bases in Germany. Only the "curse" will be worse ...
  11. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 13 September 2019 10: 18
    +4
    demolition often just no money.
    Well, this is solely the problem of the Germans and an additional confirmation that the Germans of the former German Democratic Republic are second-class Germans and the money is distributed to them according to the residual principle. And the Soviet army handed over military camps as it should be - according to the inventory and a complete set.
    1. Chaldon48
      Chaldon48 13 September 2019 11: 53
      +5
      If people who were born in the USSR do not hesitate to call them "scoops", and by the way, it was our generation born in the forties that raised the country from ruins, our and subsequent Soviet generations created that power, the remains of which today's Russia is alive. For Germans from the Federal Republic of Germany, old men from the GDR are like a bone in their throats.
  12. Astra55
    Astra55 13 September 2019 10: 25
    +5
    the ruins left by the Russians

    Here are the boobies. Well, they can’t put things against Russia.
    What ruins. Our soldiers that lived in ruins? laughing
    You have turned wonderful buildings into ruins after us.
  13. Alex_You
    Alex_You 13 September 2019 11: 15
    +1
    I went to Fortsina, the guard thought Bosko would unscrew. Can they and they lowered what to take off, but they guard.
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 13 September 2019 14: 18
      +1
      And at one time I nostalgic about the Heidehof landfill! ) drinks
  14. Antokha
    Antokha 13 September 2019 12: 01
    +1
    At the former locations of the Soviet troops in Germany lies a “curse”: no one knows who should deal with the legacy of the USSR.

    What does this situation have to do with the curse ?? Ordinary bureaucracy.
    A curse is if, for inexplicable reasons, people would fall bricks on their heads.
  15. Doliva63
    Doliva63 13 September 2019 14: 16
    +1
    Quote: Phil77
    And by the way, we ran down to the gym in the mornings! There still downstairs something like a restaurant was in the form of a chalet, and we ran past it.

    A restaurant right on the edge of the road was not? And across the road are the clouds below?
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 13 September 2019 14: 42
      0
      Quote: Doliva63

      A restaurant right on the edge of the road was not? And across the road are the clouds below?

      Well, yes! If you run away from the point, then to the left, and vice versa! Is it also from there?!?! Here the world is truly cramped!
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 13 September 2019 16: 34
        +2
        Quote: Phil77
        Quote: Doliva63

        A restaurant right on the edge of the road was not? And across the road are the clouds below?

        Well, yes! If you run away from the point, then to the left, and vice versa! Is it also from there?!?! Here the world is truly cramped!

        No, I'm not yours. Just often had to be there. drinks But the GSVG-Schnikov here seems to dofiga! Well, the GSVG Day is passing so quietly with us, amazing!
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 13 September 2019 17: 19
          +1
          I don’t know! It’s obvious that tradition must be revived! Many, many people went through the Group of Soviet Forces in Germany.
  16. Olddetractor
    Olddetractor 13 September 2019 18: 52
    0
    But the Poles saved everything (German, Soviet ...) and there is no ruin

  17. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 13 September 2019 19: 04
    +2
    )) Well I do not know. A curse. GSVGshnik himself. Well, after us, maybe))). They gave it just like that, to the beast. There were so many.
  18. Rwmos
    Rwmos 13 September 2019 21: 50
    0
    No money? But you hold on! Beggar.
    PiSi: Agent Cheburashka for maintaining the curse in working mode - thanks wink
  19. DED_peer_DED
    DED_peer_DED 13 September 2019 22: 22
    +1
    A similar "curse" lies on dozens and hundreds of military camps, airfields, bases, etc. of all the former USSR.
    All this is destroyed.
    What does one of the dead have to do with it?
    Russia in the form of its leadership is to blame for the loss of this influence.
    During the USSR there were still people taking care of the country, of their homeland.
    Where are they now?
    Who is driving now?
    Where ?
  20. DED_peer_DED
    DED_peer_DED 13 September 2019 23: 06
    0
    Because OUR enemies can not be given.
    Therefore, it is protected from the invasion of enemy forces.
    Believe it or not, you want ....
    Look at the result.
  21. energoteknolog
    energoteknolog 14 September 2019 11: 27
    0
    Are Soviet barracks equated with monuments? And what is interesting, historical or architectural? winked
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 14 September 2019 18: 42
      +1
      Quote: energoteknolog
      Are Soviet barracks equated with monuments? And what is interesting, historical or architectural?

      Spiritual.
  22. Doliva63
    Doliva63 14 September 2019 18: 32
    +1
    Quote: Phil77
    I don’t know! It’s obvious that tradition must be revived! Many, many people went through the Group of Soviet Forces in Germany.

    So, we begin to prepare! laughing drinks
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 14 September 2019 18: 45
      +1
      Quote: Doliva63
      So, we begin to prepare!

      "Farewell to a Slav" is our real hymn, which we always remember:
      "And if on a hike
      The country will call ... "
    2. energoteknolog
      energoteknolog 14 September 2019 22: 05
      0
      Feel free to ask, prepare for what?
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 15 September 2019 19: 47
        0
        Quote: energoteknolog
        Feel free to ask, prepare for what?

        To mark the anniversary of the Group. What did you think about? laughing drinks
        1. energoteknolog
          energoteknolog 16 September 2019 21: 08
          0
          I thought we’ll take the Reichstag again winked
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 17 September 2019 18: 48
            0
            Quote: energoteknolog
            I thought we’ll take the Reichstag again winked

            No, wait a bit with this laughing drinks
            Still, they may surrender themselves laughing
  23. Doliva63
    Doliva63 14 September 2019 19: 46
    +1
    Quote: ccsr
    Quote: Doliva63
    So, we begin to prepare!

    "Farewell to a Slav" is our real hymn, which we always remember:
    "And if on a hike
    The country will call ... "

    I love "Slavyanka" since childhood. My record was flexible about the march itself and about Vasily Agapkin. For my father, it was a march of war and all the good and bad that he saw there. I respect his feelings, but for me this is a graduation march. Here it is, as they say, the connection of generations in one melody!
    And so was the GSVG March: ... Soldiers of the Group of Forces, Soviet troops in Germany, we protect the peace of the Earth! (Th remembereddrinks ) And at once I remember trucks with the sign "Leite" on the tents, and polygons, polygons, polygons. And how I, then the political commander of the company, come from the "fields" on Monday at 10 am to the PPD, and there - the commission of the Glavpura checks the political studies. That is, in the absence of the company commander, he took the company to the "fields" since Friday evening. "Were off," shopper! But at dawn on Monday, one group was "stuck" strongly (I am silent about the reasons, since there was a severe violation of everything and everyone), while it was picked up, they were late, of course. The roar and roar were deafening. No one was interested in any arguments - there are too many violations in one place, so to speak. But we couldn’t fight against one - we didn’t go to drunkenness with the company, and we did BP to study. There are no corpses, no wounded, weapons and equipment are in place and in good condition. But, damn it, the political commander lost the sacred! As a result, the decision was blamed on the commander. And he went to the party meeting. And I am a secretary. The party meeting condemned me - why couldn't you find out about probable checks at the army headquarters ?! In general, they put it in view. laughing
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 15 September 2019 12: 36
      +1
      Quote: Doliva63
      But, damn it, the political officer poheril holy! As a result, the decision was blamed on the commander. And that - at the party meeting. And I am a secretary. The party meeting condemned me - why, couldn’t you find out about probable checks at the army headquarters ?! In general, put on the look.

      It was difficult to find an officer in the GSVG who would not receive a penalty for any crap, but for the disruption of political activities, this went automatically for any commander. Now you remember all this with a laugh, and then of course there was no laughing matter - some were sent home, sometimes even without really understanding his fault.
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 15 September 2019 20: 03
        0
        Quote: ccsr
        Quote: Doliva63
        But, damn it, the political officer poheril holy! As a result, the decision was blamed on the commander. And that - at the party meeting. And I am a secretary. The party meeting condemned me - why, couldn’t you find out about probable checks at the army headquarters ?! In general, put on the look.

        It was difficult to find an officer in the GSVG who would not receive a penalty for any crap, but for the disruption of political activities, this went automatically for any commander. Now you remember all this with a laugh, and then of course there was no laughing matter - some were sent home, sometimes even without really understanding his fault.

        Well, a really serious penalty had to be contrived to get, tk. for the most part there were no particularly stupid bosses there. Once there was a chief of staff who had a hostile attitude towards one officer, no one understood why. So he slapped him for 6 years! In the spring, a check came, the chief of staff wrote down "strogach", everything was removed from the officer. Well, that is, it was possible to find the conditional truth in the Group. After all, I didn’t get anything in the end for the indicated disruption of political studies. Moreover, he became a little insolent - he "loaded" his superiors with ideas, for that they forgave a lot.