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New confession of the fifteen thousandth. Who commands the soldiers in Novorossia

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About the "ideological"


For some reason, a libel has taken root very tightly, according to which all “ideological” militias were maliciously squeezed out of the army, instead of them collecting almost human garbage. Firstly, it is not entirely clear how the "ideological" militia is different from the "ordinary"? In 2014 all went to war in the same way, and the very fact that a man exchanged a peaceful life for the trenches, already says a lot. Probably, according to the public, these miraculous warriors have special skills and secret superweapons.




Secondly, to the forefront, and not only, to this day a significant number of fighters who went to fight at the very beginning “work”. Therefore, when you hear that they “squeezed out all ideological ones,” it becomes bad at heart: that is, all the guys who serve today are so scumbag? And why are they worse than those, let me ask you, who for the sake of their “ideological ideology” did not give a damn about the republics and left the people's militia?

In addition, it’s not entirely clear why and why someone would drive these very “ideological” ones out - except if a soldier is engaged in political campaigning instead of serving and tells his fellow soldiers that “they all leaked” that Minsk - this is a betrayal and in general all of us will soon be handed over to the Ukrainians for reprisal ... In wartime, it is possible to go to the tribunal for such proclamations, so it’s better to be so “ideological” that they were simply “squeezed out”.

Mushtra is not aunt


In fact, very many indeed left the ranks for socio-political reasons - at a time when there was no immediate danger to the republics, part of the militia returned to their families and peaceful activities. This is logical, given the fact that initially people were going to fight in a variety of professions, not related to military affairs. Most of them will return, if necessary, there is no doubt about that.

A lot of fighters left the people's militia in connection with the introduction of relatively strict discipline. Yes, to fight almost without control from the commanders with a huge amount of almost unaccountable weapons it was much more fun than marching on the parade ground and living according to the charter - for many this damned marching generally got across the throat, and this is understandable. Nevertheless, there should be discipline in the army, if it is an army, and not disparate and ineffective detachments subordinate to field commanders and practically incapable of establishing interactions.

The myth of the incredible combat readiness of units subordinate to the field commanders and the ability of the militia to defeat the Armed Forces on its own arises from the need to hide the activities of the so-called vacationers. As a result, without an adequate picture, many believed in the marvelous qualities of the first-wave militias. But in fact, an army cannot take place without discipline. So, you have to endure.

"Inept" commanders


A lot of negativity also sounds to the commanders who, without due reverence, belong to the militia, and even force them to work out any boring science thousands of times, including on the parade ground, to monitor the neatness of the soldiers, observing the charter, that is, they demand all the same that demanded when they were ordinary.

Army orders are not to everyone's liking, but, frankly, it would be strange to expect that the people's militia will be formed according to some new principles that contradict the militaryhistorical science. Yes, in many respects the formalistic approach of the cadre military contradicts the broad nature of recent militias, accustomed to taking the enemy with ingenuity, courage and arrogance, and sometimes simply in a snap. Nevertheless, since the republics are oriented towards Russia in everything, it is logical here to inherit the very successful experience of the Soviet and Russian army.

As for the commanders, then among them come across a variety of people. It happened to face “fines” who were sent to command the people's militia for atonement for sins; there were those who were preparing for promotion and learning to fulfill new responsibilities. There was a commander who began getting to know the personnel by insulting the militia in general and his soldiers in particular, and then apologized for a long time, faced with a quite understandable reaction. But there was also a battalion commander who was yelling as announced, but at the same time he was a "friend to the soldier" and understood everything. In general, the human factor, as it is.

The draft board is not a barrier


As for the touching stories that the military registration and enlistment office has turned into a terrible barrier that even experienced fighters cannot overcome for months, despite the fact that we have already raised this topic in the recent past, I want to say again the following: screening out unstable personalities, drug addicts, alcoholics and random people is extremely important even in conditions of a significant shortage of personnel, which the people's police are now experiencing. It is better to check a person three times than then bury him or the soldiers who died through his fault.

As for the experienced soldiers, then, as a rule, they find themselves in service earlier than their case falls into the military enlistment office. The same applies to people with military specialties or some other talents useful to the army. Their checks, documents and other bureaucratic details, as a rule, are passed without their participation, through the efforts of the commander.

On the whole, there are a lot of serious problems in the people's militia, some of which have not gone away over the years. Nevertheless, there is hope for an improvement. Ideal or "imperfect", but the soldiers are ready to defend New Russia.

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  2. Avior
    Avior 13 September 2019 15: 18
    +14
    Reading Makhov’s articles, one sometimes gets the impression that they are written in turn by two different and unfamiliar people.
    I wrote this one, it seems not the one who wrote the previous one by reference smile
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 13 September 2019 15: 45
      +3
      Quote: Avior
      Reading Makhov’s articles, one sometimes gets the impression that they are written in turn by two different and unfamiliar people.

      Well, what can you do! request This is called "multiple personality disorder"! fool There is such an "almost scientific" explanation in psychiatry ... yes If they live in peace with Makhov and don’t quarrel .. drinks then you can relate to this with a descent! smile If only they didn’t interfere with others! stop
      1. Vladimir61
        Vladimir61 13 September 2019 16: 55
        +7
        Makhov, he can argue on many situations, albeit sometimes emotionally, but then, personal experiences of what is happening in the Donbass! This is not a sofa storyteller, discussing what he personally did not see, does not know, and moreover he did not go through the crucible of this war!
        On some socio-political issues, it sometimes gives a few utopian "swings", but all these emotions, I repeat, are due to personal worries about what is happening in Donbass. Fast and effective measures cannot be implemented even in more prosperous countries and regions as compared to Donbass.
      2. frols
        frols 13 September 2019 17: 20
        +3
        Yes, there are different people. Here, for example, did one tourist from Russia visit? we have in Latvia and was very indignant that we have a lot of Russians here and everything is in Russian.
        http://www.grani.lv/latvia/110572-rossiyskiy-turist-razocharovalsya-v-latvii-slishkom-mnogo-russkih-ne-po-evropeyski-video.html
        But the local nations are in ecstasy.
        1. SASHA OLD
          SASHA OLD 14 September 2019 11: 40
          +2
          Quote: frols
          Yes, there are different people. Here, for example, did one tourist from Russia visit? we have in Latvia and was very indignant that we have a lot of Russians here and everything is in Russian.
          http://www.grani.lv/latvia/110572-rossiyskiy-turist-razocharovalsya-v-latvii-slishkom-mnogo-russkih-ne-po-evropeyski-video.html
          But the local nations are in ecstasy.

          Well, Riga is essentially a Russian city (the Russian-speaking population prevails), but if you look at Liepaja for example, there’s a different picture.
          And once Liepaja was a beautiful town, now it’s a miserable sight
      3. DED_peer_DED
        DED_peer_DED 13 September 2019 20: 52
        -1
        Somehow he blurted out his usual phrase in the women's team about the fact that "razdvayitsa" ...
        Well, I'm not used to communicating collectively with the ladies.
      4. SASHA OLD
        SASHA OLD 14 September 2019 11: 37
        +1
        hi Greetings!
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        Well, what can you do! This is called "multiple personality disorder"! There is such an "almost scientific" explanation in psychiatry ... If they live amicably with Makhov and do not quarrel .. then one can treat this with a descent! If only they did not interfere with others!

        this is called "bipolar disorder"
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 14 September 2019 13: 09
          0
          Quote: SASHA OLD
          Greetings!

          Have a nice one you too ! yes
          Quote: SASHA OLD
          this is called "bipolar disorder"

          "Bipolar disorder" is a "slightly" different mental "phenomenon." two, pluralities of personalities ... drinks
    2. samarin1969
      samarin1969 13 September 2019 17: 22
      +6
      Quote: Avior
      Reading Makhov’s articles, one sometimes gets the impression that they are written in turn by two different and unfamiliar people.
      I wrote this one, it seems not the one who wrote the previous one by reference smile


      Similar impressions, Avior! hi One article - a breath of reality, then - two "hurray-optimistic". The topic is very acute, much discussed and suddenly - almost "official" about the mighty corps.
      ps Probably Egor already has "geranium on the windowsill" and you won't wait for frank articles.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 13 September 2019 19: 11
        +1
        Yes, I agree, this article on style is really different from the previous one ...
        1. DED_peer_DED
          DED_peer_DED 13 September 2019 20: 53
          -2
          Clones attack? (WITH)
    3. Ryazan87
      Ryazan87 13 September 2019 23: 15
      +2
      An amazing thing: until the middle I read and thought exactly the same thing. As if two Machs exist.
    4. Kontrik
      Kontrik 15 September 2019 11: 52
      +1
      Quote: Avior
      Reading Makhov’s articles, one sometimes gets the impression that they are written in turn by two different and unfamiliar people.
      I wrote this one, it seems not the one who wrote the previous one by reference smile

      Roman Skomorokhov "disguised himself" .. He used to love to write in collaboration hehe
      That raccoon .. wassat I was threatened with a court if I don’t shut up .. hi
    5. Megatron
      Megatron 18 September 2019 08: 17
      0
      Ideal COMMANDERS, indeed all merged.
      Left gaskets, such as Denis Petushilin.
  3. Sergey1987
    Sergey1987 13 September 2019 15: 43
    +9
    Good article. He himself served in the DPR police and completely agree with the author.
  4. Zliy_mod
    Zliy_mod 13 September 2019 16: 50
    +5
    It is interesting to know how civilians relate to the militia? Help, is there a volunteer movement?
    In Kiev, I have a negative attitude towards former and current atoshniks, although many of them do not advertise themselves very much, now they are more concerned with earning benefits. And on this basis, I quarreled with godfather, partly with my relatives, I’m a separatist among friends)).
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 13 September 2019 19: 37
      0
      Hmm, the separatist, it’s strange that he lives in Kiev, openly shows his hostility to the athletes and is still not attached to the tank and not wired to the baptismal ground. But there were many articles on VO that all fans of the Russian world in Ukraine live in constant fear of Bandera and only in their own kitchens they quietly resent being afraid of even neighbors, relatives and friends.
      1. haron
        haron 15 September 2019 23: 11
        0
        Quote: Semurg
        But there were many articles on VO that all fans of the Russian world in Ukraine live in constant fear of Bandera and only in their own kitchens they quietly resent being afraid of even neighbors, relatives and friends.

        And?
        What is the meaning of the urge? Does the VO not review and filter the topic?
        Or does VO allow all parties to the conflict to speak freely?
        Sorry, but either "readable" .. or you still speak from the heart. Place the accents more accurately. Are you for white, or for red)))
        IMHO it does not bode well for the republics if they themselves do not find a way out. At the same time, 2/3 of the 3 possibilities of going out alone is a new call for an "ambulance" and a new ... competition or something. Behg for survival.
  5. Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 13 September 2019 18: 29
    -6
    In such public entities that are not recognized by anyone, the phenomena described in the article are completely natural. For example, taking the oath, everyone probably asks himself, and to whom do I actually swear?
    1. DED_peer_DED
      DED_peer_DED 13 September 2019 20: 55
      -4
      Quote: Chaldon48
      In such public entities that are not recognized by anyone, the phenomena described in the article are completely natural.

      And, we, like, recognized education?
      By whom ? Doctors?
      Cancer on Mother Russia’s body?
      1. Chaldon48
        Chaldon48 13 September 2019 23: 29
        +2
        What did you mean that it is hard for people living in the LPR and DPR to recognize the inferiority of their states, and this is their Homeland, many with arms in hand have to defend their Homeland and it happens to die.
  6. Kontrik
    Kontrik 13 September 2019 19: 59
    -4
    Where is Roman Skomorokhov? Or Yegor Makhov, he is .. laughing
    This way or that way on the site .. I obviously missed something here while I was shooting back .. hi
    1. DED_peer_DED
      DED_peer_DED 13 September 2019 20: 56
      -1
      Quote: Kontrik
      while shooting back ..

      Not there and not in those (composition) :)
      1. Kontrik
        Kontrik 13 September 2019 21: 24
        0
        Quote: DED_peer_DED
        Quote: Kontrik
        while shooting back ..

        Not there and not in those (composition) :)

        Do you know what I mean? Or so bit for the seed .. hi
        1. DED_peer_DED
          DED_peer_DED 13 September 2019 21: 44
          +1
          Did not bite. Do not be offended. I myself am junk.
          But there’s no where to put the soul. It hurts.
          1. Kontrik
            Kontrik 13 September 2019 22: 07
            +1
            Quote: DED_peer_DED
            Did not bite. Do not be offended. I myself am junk.
            But there’s no where to put the soul. It hurts.

            Accepted..! hi It hurts and rushes around and the devil knows what she needs))))
            Here on the site here I’m trying to understand what my restless soul Russian needs .. These are the things in the kitchen in Khrushchev’s ..
            1. DED_peer_DED
              DED_peer_DED 13 September 2019 22: 27
              -1
              Himself in what is going on.
              For the motherland, tear.
              Sorry.
            2. Nick
              Nick 15 September 2019 12: 29
              +1
              Quote: Kontrik
              Received..! It hurts and rushes around and the devil knows what she needs))))
              Here on the site here I’m trying to understand what my restless soul Russian needs .. These are the things in the kitchen in Khrushchev’s ..

              Yes, if in the kitchen in Khrushchev’s, you won’t be able to see much, I live in Khrushchev’s. But most importantly, to the fighting spirit.
              1. Kontrik
                Kontrik 15 September 2019 12: 37
                +1
                Quote: Nick
                Quote: Kontrik
                Received..! It hurts and rushes around and the devil knows what she needs))))
                Here on the site here I’m trying to understand what my restless soul Russian needs .. These are the things in the kitchen in Khrushchev’s ..

                Yes, if in the kitchen in Khrushchev’s, you won’t be able to see much, I live in Khrushchev’s. But most importantly, to the fighting spirit.

                Russia is holding onto such! hi

                How spiritual strings are flowed by those who remember and know what and how all this was created! hi
                1. Nick
                  Nick 15 September 2019 12: 45
                  +1
                  Quote: Kontrik
                  How spiritual strings are flowed by those who remember and know what and how all this was created!

                  Thank you for the video. As fresh air I swallowed. hi
                  1. Kontrik
                    Kontrik 16 September 2019 18: 14
                    +1
                    Quote: Nick
                    Quote: Kontrik
                    How spiritual strings are flowed by those who remember and know what and how all this was created!

                    Thank you for the video. As fresh air I swallowed. hi

                    The video was very interesting. The romantic and the Skeptic argued, but then they sang together .. If there were a native country .... Also, the strings of the soul rang and goosebumps .. Oh, there was time!
    2. Antares
      Antares 13 September 2019 22: 59
      -3
      Quote: Kontrik
      Where is Roman Skomorokhov? Or Yegor Makhov, he is

      and you ask such a question ???
      Well, you are always the first in such topics to tear a vest with slogans ..
      And here you do not know that Roman and Egor are different people?
      Not serious!
      On the topic - they are fighting with structures. Any army even the worst as the Ukrainian model of 2014 turned out to be better than any militia (without vacationers and regulars). Therefore, I could not achieve the desired goals.
      As soon as they replaced or diluted with organized structures superior to the APU of the 2014 model, the situation changed. Not much. As much as the initiators needed.
      Therefore, a considerable role is assigned to the organization of the structure in this gray zone. In order not to be distracted if that.
  7. Terenin
    Terenin 13 September 2019 21: 21
    +2
    Probably, according to the public, these miraculous warriors have special skills and secret superweapons.

    By the way, who will prove the opposite? They, in battles, someone defeated?

    A-aa !? This is from the song of the German "historians" that "... we proved that the Russians, in general, lost in the Battle of Kursk ..." (or, "demobilization is inevitable! ... the salaga shouted and ... cried crying )
    1. DED_peer_DED
      DED_peer_DED 13 September 2019 22: 11
      0
      The Russians came to Berlin.
      And, they could come to all the remaining "huts" of the Western world.
      They had a complete foundation.
  8. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 13 September 2019 22: 37
    +7
    You here, gentlemen and gentlemen, forget the main thing.

    The drill, statism and sweeping the parade ground with a crowbar are the means of instilling discipline in the draft army. That is, the means to kill off a young guy who absolutely does not want to go to die for the tsar's father or Abramovich’s yacht for thoughtless execution of orders.

    In the army, volunteer or hired motivation is different. In both cases, the fighter understands what he is doing and why.

    The “army” of New Russia of the 13-14 years model was exclusively voluntary. People fought for a specific idea, which was thoroughly crap in the years 15-17.

    Hence the crisis. For the implementation of the Minsk agreements no one wants to risk the skin. For 15 thousand rubles a month, in general, that too. So you have to recruit people who have nowhere to go. They are not motivated, do not seek to study or fight. So you have to dryuch them as draftees.
    1. DED_peer_DED
      DED_peer_DED 13 September 2019 22: 52
      -3
      That is, the means to annul the young guy

      To do this .... the "young guy" must behave in the wrong way.
      Any person who has fallen into a new environment should think with his head and all other parts of his body and soul.
      If.....
      1. Sancho_SP
        Sancho_SP 14 September 2019 08: 50
        +2
        What does it mean right or wrong?

        The overwhelming majority of conscripts in the Russian Federation spend most of their time precisely on various combat training and chores, which have not had any practical meaning in military affairs for so many hundred years. But on military training it is often allocated two or three machine gun fires per year and, with luck, participation in some sort of exercise. On which, again, the majority walk in formation and load boxes.

        Do not do this. It does not depend on the soldier himself.
    2. ROMAN VYSOTSKY
      ROMAN VYSOTSKY 13 September 2019 23: 53
      +1
      In 2013 there was no army in the DPR, nor was the DPR itself. In the summer of 2014, a militia appeared. Since November, 2014 began to form the 1 army corps. In fact, formed by September 2015
      The overwhelming majority of soldiers are fighting and fighting for the idea, both in 2014 and in 2019.
      Nobody bangs, does not masturbate. Elementary combat techniques, of course, are being studied, but in the last turn, and mainly from more experienced soldiers to less experienced.
      There were cases, mostly drunk, to communicate with the soldiers in the language of Unter Prishibeev, but they always ended poorly. In some cases, lethal.
      But what is well studied is weapons, equipment and art competently and quickly digging in.
      1. Sancho_SP
        Sancho_SP 14 September 2019 08: 55
        +2
        Are you sure of that?

        Especially because the majority of men over 27 (and the age composition there is, in principle, interesting) who joined the L / DPR army after the events of Debaltseve did not do this because of money?

        If you are sure, what did these people do before, why did they join the army only when they came, and not earlier?
        1. SASHA OLD
          SASHA OLD 14 September 2019 11: 46
          +1
          Quote: Sancho_SP
          Especially because the majority of men over 27 (and the age composition there is, in principle, interesting) who joined the L / DPR army after the events of Debaltseve did not do this because of money?

          Sorry, but what, are there any big money paying?
          (I'm without any sarcasm)
          1. Sancho_SP
            Sancho_SP 14 September 2019 12: 13
            +2
            Compared with civilian salaries there, yes, substantially more. And there are always vacancies.
            1. SASHA OLD
              SASHA OLD 14 September 2019 12: 19
              +1
              Quote: Sancho_SP
              Compared with civilian salaries there, yes, substantially more. And there are always vacancies.

              thank you hi
              I’m not for myself (I’m an insulin diabetic), my wife’s brother wants to break loose, young, recently came from the army, probes ..))
              1. Sancho_SP
                Sancho_SP 14 September 2019 12: 41
                +3
                They pay less (in the army) than a cleaning lady in Moscow, unfortunately (salaries of 5-7-9 thousand rubles are just real on a citizen). Liberation campaign to the west is also not expected.

                I would advise your relative to bring benefit to the community by engaging in any kind of creative activity.
                1. SASHA OLD
                  SASHA OLD 16 September 2019 03: 55
                  0
                  Quote: Sancho_SP
                  They pay less (in the army) than a cleaning lady in Moscow, unfortunately (salaries of 5-7-9 thousand rubles are just real on a citizen). Liberation campaign to the west is also not expected.

                  I would advise your relative to bring benefit to the community by engaging in any kind of creative activity.

                  I advise him the same, and we live in Surgut - not the poorest city in the country
                  but...
                  see romance in my head
  9. ROMAN VYSOTSKY
    ROMAN VYSOTSKY 13 September 2019 23: 05
    +8
    Yes, weird articles. They leave a feeling of running along the tops. A hint of problems. And it seems to be no problem. And again, the unfortunate Veronica from the award as an illustration of the problems brought the author. Only the lazy did not write about her. Compared to the real content of real problems, the Dobros example is a small thing. She was checked a million times, and since she was not in the hut and was not fired, then everything is in order with her.
    But where do the monthly requisitions of a thousand per soldier and officer go? Is there a question? Rather, there is even an answer. They go to the fund of brigade and regiment commanders. And then what next? Even if rare and new gifts are made from this money by the new and old corps commanders: on the DR, on return, etc., glades are covered when they visit units and formations, then in Russia this is all there. But I can’t imagine how much to drink and what to eat to spend these monthly millions.
    I myself once had a stupid report to ask me to return 12-15 thousand from such a fund, which I spent on the needs of the regiment. With a nasty smile instead of money, the commander handed me a letter of thanks with gratitude for the work done. There were no more fools to write such reports.
    And the topic of sending by advisers those officers who are not very needed in their units is as old as the world. Not a single commander will let an intelligent officer go on leave for a year, unless he is promoted with assignment when there are no other options. All the rest are the "cream" of society. Their favorite thought is the idea that an officer should receive 80% of his knowledge by self-education. In addition, they, even the beardless lieutenants, defiantly disobey and are rude to local commanders. And there really is no government on them. Not without exception, of course. But, in order to develop a common ... true attitude of vacationers to orders and remarks from elders, but local or from volunteers, this is enough.
    Regarding the squeezing of officers, I will say this. Both Donetsk and non-Donetsk had a hand in this. The Donetsk argument is this: occupy positions, do not let ours grow. In Nedonets: too smart, you want to be reckoned with you too, but by heart you don’t know this, that, etc. Yes, and do not fucking bullshit with you, not Russia tea, you won’t go to the military prosecutor, you won’t go to court.
    By clothing contentment, the author, too, seems to have stated, without going into. But the topic is also 5 years old. In five years, so many pre-owned b / y had to accumulate in warehouses that all state-owned bazaars can be filled up with a new form. But. the rear is the rear. In the rear there is everything, but not for everyone. Therefore, from each fuel and lubricant holiday, a part is issued only as invoices.
    Yes, what to say. Suvorov still said everything about the quartermasters.
    1. DED_peer_DED
      DED_peer_DED 13 September 2019 23: 12
      -3
      Where do the mint requisitions go (sorry, those who replaced them)?
      I don’t even know how to write further?
      For years, they’ve been devoured in Russia.
      On a day, everyone is obliged to bring runoff and runoff.
      Russia.
      Every day.
      At .......
    2. DED_peer_DED
      DED_peer_DED 13 September 2019 23: 13
      -1
      Our Motherland is under the enemy.
  10. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 13 September 2019 23: 52
    0
    there must be discipline in the army

    And what without a damned marching discipline is generally impossible and it is almost impossible to establish interaction? Wonders!
    1. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 14 September 2019 00: 05
      +1
      Quote: kunstkammer
      without a damned marching can discipline be completely impossible and practically impossible to establish interactions?

      One can yes Between two poorly managed herds of rams
    2. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 14 September 2019 12: 48
      0
      Perhaps, but if each soldier has a real desire to do a specific job and get satisfaction from it.

      In the case of a contract, it is money. For their sake, we will walk and fight in order to shoot and learn to run. Here the employer is the master. If you want to receive money, you will do what they say and how they say it. Otherwise, you will not receive.

      With ideological a little more complicated. The main problem is the lack of a common understanding of this very idea and methods of its implementation. To create this understanding, a very powerful ideological pump is needed.

      But what to do if a fighter is simply not easy DOES NOT WANT to serve in the army (all the more so - to fight), but cannot get up and leave? That is what would be managed and you need a charter, drill and everything else.
      1. Egor-dis
        Egor-dis 24 September 2019 20: 11
        0
        Quote: Sancho_SP
        With ideological a little more complicated. The main problem is the lack of a common understanding of this very idea and methods of its implementation.
        For a common understanding of this idea, it must at least be voiced, to all, in a uniform and also uniform way to bring about the methods of its achievement. Then ideological pumping will not be needed.
        Quote: Sancho_SP
        Well, what to do if a fighter simply does not want to serve in the army (all the more so - to fight), but cannot get up and leave?
        Then it is no longer a voluntary contract army but a military duty.
        Quote: Sancho_SP
        That is what would be managed and you need a charter, drill and everything else.
        And this is the root of all evils - ignorance of what charters are for and inability to explain this to personnel.
  11. samosad
    samosad 14 September 2019 12: 50
    +8
    . The author is not at all in the subject .... Let him know that no drills and steps are accustomed to discipline, especially when the commanders themselves, the so-called, absolutely do not understand this. Those. commanders cannot give subordinates an example of how to carry out one or another drill-machine technique. With a few exceptions ... I do not raise the question of why people need this at all now when the war is on. Well, oh well ... there will always be people who can justify this, although these people, even if they are regular military personnel, as a rule did not fight. It is one thing to command a regiment in peacetime ..., another time when war is going on. Afghan is an example of this.
    To walk beautifully is certainly good ... but other knowledge is also needed to conduct combat operations. On the other hand, our artillerymen, mortarmen, and even tankmen cannot work out their targets normally. Maybe the author does not know that when our artillery is working, they are afraid of it no less than the Ukrainian one, because they will not hit the enemy, but they can for sure. There are plenty of examples ... and if the author has a lot of military acquaintances in the DPR, let him take an interest. Why it happens? Because our artillery does not fire day and night at training ranges, but is engaged in all sorts of nonsense, which, in the author's opinion, "increases discipline"! And how it rises, I think those who are in the subject know. But Ukrainian art works in such a way that it becomes enviable. Especially when adjusting the fire using a UAV. In our country, drones fly only at training ranges, but far from in the interests of artillery. And then they generally gather dust and are not used. Why? Yes, because if dill "steal" it or knock it down, hemorrhoids will not come true. Therefore, it is easier for commanders not to use it at all, or use it with such caution that there is no sense in them at all. The provision of surveillance equipment remains at the lowest level! Everything that is at the forefront is bought for their own money, and these are usually cheap binoculars / monoculars, and I generally keep quiet about nightlights / thermal imagers. While in Ukraine there is a developed volunteer movement that covers the shortage of these funds by almost 100%! In our country, it has become practically IMPOSSIBLE to bring humanitarian aid from the Russian Federation ..., especially for military purposes !!! And it is not so much the DPR that does not allow it, but the Russian Federation! Now it has come to the point that even dual-use items cannot be imported either! This is about humanitarian aid ... You can also touch on the topic of the so-called "common funds" ... but I don't want to. Tired of crushing water in a mortar.
    At the expense of the commanders, good and bad ... I do not want to argue. That mess that is in the Russian Federation, of course, will be with us ..., and the notorious human factor cannot be got anywhere. One thing I’ll say - it was too early here to give officer ranks to the appointed commanders, thereby leveling respect for the officer’s rank itself. An officer is theoretically trained, at least ..., and not appointed. Although, what can I say, even if advisers who come here often cannot distinguish Stechkin’s pistol from PM or PTRD from a rifle converted from Utes’s barrel. This is by the way about the frames sent ... although there are normal, adequate and educated people among them.
    At the expense of local "officers" ... I can't help but put them in quotation marks ..., with a few exceptions, mostly rabble sits, which, instead of at least occasionally visiting the forward positions, sits on the company's NP in a kilometer or two from the front line and plays "tanks" and when the shelling of their positions begins, all they can say to their people without stopping from the game is not to respond to fire, watch ... or, in extreme cases, hold on. This applies to platoon and company commanders. Kombats are "heavenly inhabitants" and they, as a rule, do not care deeply how and in what conditions their fighters live and serve. The main thing is that they do not open fire, because they are shaking for a position with a good salary. And even 300 or 200 is not so scary, because you can blame everything on a domestic injury, but for opening fire, they can "comb their hair" well! From this, without initiative, not only among them, but also among their subordinates. For example: it is allowed to open immediate fire on an enemy UAV, followed by a report. With us, as a rule ... they either do not open it at all, or they begin to ask the officers on duty and superiors again (given the available order ...), and the UAV naturally flies away calmly by that moment. And this is a small fraction of what can be described about this mess.
    Well, at the expense of ideological and non-ideological ... Now a lot of people have come just to "earn". At the first serious shelling, they usually leave or go to the SOC. Moreover, many of them do not hide this, but say so. I don’t know ... maybe this is also an "idea", but it is clearly different from the idea that people followed at the beginning of the war. Of course, a lot was eliminated then ..., but those who served until today, to put it mildly, do not understand how military enlistment offices and the Ministry of State Security, with their "titanic work" to screen out the psychologically unstable, recruit them in such a quantity! And drug addicts and alcoholics too ...
    Such is the homely truth ... Of course, some processes and phenomena can be attributed to "growing pains", there is something else ... but excuse me, dear comrades and the author in particular ... it is simply impossible to write off everything. So, there is no need to write nonsense, on a topic in which you are clearly complete zero and feed on information from Channel One.
  12. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 14 September 2019 13: 17
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    Quote: samosad
    at the ranges our artillery does not fire day and night, but is engaged in all sorts of nonsense, which, according to the author, "increases discipline"!

    Thanks! That's what I wrote about. And for our "at two" experts the main thing is that the fighter's boots shine like a cat's eggs. Nothing changes in this world.
  13. Nadir shah
    Nadir shah 15 September 2019 02: 46
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    Quote: DED_peer_DED
    The Russians came to Berlin.
    And, they could come to all the remaining "huts" of the Western world.
    They had a complete foundation.

    could not.
  14. Egor-dis
    Egor-dis 15 September 2019 13: 48
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    The New Confession of the XNUMXth
    Confession did not see. I saw only her analysis. Original text in the studio!
    For some reason, a libel has taken root very tightly, according to which all the “ideological” militias were maliciously squeezed out of the army, instead of them collecting almost human garbage.
    The main motivation of the l / s sent from the military registration and enlistment office starting from the 18th: "to earn money" (age 18-25), "do not take to work" (age from 40, as well as convicts, drug addicts and other marginal elements).
    Probably, according to the public, these miraculous warriors have special skills and secret superweapons.
    Are we twisting? The "ideological" militias had an IDEA - the idea of ​​building Novorossiya, in the future, with its annexation to Russia. Unfortunately, by the forces of curators / advisors, the idea was trampled, along with the carriers of the idea.
    Secondly, to the forefront, and not only, to this day a significant number of fighters who went to fight at the very beginning “work”.
    Some of them have nowhere to go (their house remained in the territory occupied by Ukrainians), others liked it (they received command positions with appropriate additional payments), others - "to be closer to the machine gun when the Ukrainians climb" (because how to get a machine gun in civilian life, or rather -hunting option, troublesome and expensive). Still others are especially indicative, because they do not say "we will drive to Kiev" but say "when they climb". That is, the “idea” of the liberation of Novorossiya was already castrated by the forces of the invited “Varangians”. It remains to ditch it completely and bury it, as they did with the DKR at one time.
    if a soldier, instead of serving, is engaged in political campaigning ... that "everyone has merged", that Minsk is a betrayal and in general they will all surrender us soon ... In wartime, it’s possible to go to court for such proclamations,
    That is, if an order comes to lay down arms and surrender the territory to ukram, it must be carried out silently and unconditionally? And to talk about it - no, no, and then a "tribunal"? Or maybe the one who will give such an order should be brought to court?
  15. Egor-dis
    Egor-dis 15 September 2019 19: 53
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    A lot of fighters left the people's militia in connection with the introduction of relatively strict discipline.
    Do not confuse army discipline with army insanity.
    Yes, to fight practically without control from the commanders with a huge amount of practically unaccountable weapons was much more fun than marching on the parade ground and living according to the charter - for many, this damned march generally crossed the throat,
    Confusing warm with soft? They fought with what they could get, and with the understanding that, besides what they got, there will be nothing to fight with. And now, in general, the "smart" uncles in the headquarters decided that 4 BC stores for 10 minutes of battle on the LBS would be enough, "and the rest will be brought up." Aha! Right now! ...
    And at the expense of marching and marching techniques - their relevance ended during the Napoleonic wars. With more success and much more benefit, discipline would be strengthened during tactical training. But the "older comrades" who have come in large numbers, in the best traditions of army insanity, are building a PEACE TIME army, when a soldier clings to a shovel and other entrenching tool much more often than a machine gun.
    there should be discipline in the army, if it is an army, and not disparate and ineffective detachments subordinate to field commanders and practically incapable of establishing interactions
    I respect the Russian army, I appreciate its successes in Syria, but at the same time I note that it took her more than 5 years to break up the Barmalei detachments subordinate to the field commanders. And there is still a long way to completion. Is it really because the barmalei are marching well? Or is it because they were taught to fight and not march?
  16. Egor-dis
    Egor-dis 15 September 2019 20: 20
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    A lot of negativity also sounds to the commanders who, without due reverence, belong to the militia, and even force them to work out any boring science thousands of times, including on the parade ground, to monitor the neatness of the soldiers, observing the charter, that is, they demand all the same that demanded when they were ordinary.
    Absolutely fair negativity. Because building an army in Russia and building an army in Donbass are two big differences, whose name is the human RESOURCE and the area of ​​the territory. Where in Russia, in the event of an invasion, while the enemy winds kilometers across the expanses of Russia, through the system of military registration and enlistment offices, it will be possible to mobilize tens and hundreds of thousands. In the Donbass, there is practically no one to mobilize, and, more importantly, once. In the event of a sudden attack, in a matter of hours, the enemy will be able to occupy most of the territory of the republics. The landscape allows. In this situation, every soldier, in order to prevent this, must be a super-professional, there must be a military doctrine like the Israeli one. And what do the come-in commanders create? They create motorcycle construction troops from the mid-90s. It is difficult to call it otherwise than sabotage, sabotage, work for the enemy.
    As for the commanders, then among them come across a variety of people.
    Uh-huh. For example, one who recently pulled off, the NSB addressed his subordinates exclusively "creature e .... e". KBR is not far from him. Probably it is not worth killing such people, but if something flew into their window, no one would be upset.
    As for the touching stories that the military enlistment office has turned into a terrible barrier,
    Here I agree! A terrible lie! VK rows everything that has an index finger on his right hand and at least most of his legs.
    screening out unstable individuals, drug addicts, alcoholics and random people is extremely important even in conditions of a significant shortage of personnel,
    laughing laughing laughing Only outright suicides are screened out, and even then not always.
    1. Egor-dis
      Egor-dis 23 September 2019 13: 30
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      Judging by the flown minuses, someone really hurts his eyes.
  17. zenitovets
    zenitovets 15 September 2019 21: 36
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    The caricature army of Ukraine is only capable of dying, so that Kolomoisky continues to steal and steal!
  18. Donetsk2019
    Donetsk2019 16 September 2019 11: 59
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    Who is this article for? What are the "ideological" commanders? There, everyone is appointed by you know who. And you know who is in charge there. Someone chose Pushilin or Zakharchenko? The author drank, then smoked, then sniffed and decided to write an article?