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All documents for the adoption of the gun "Boa" in service transferred to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

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Pistols "Boa" continue to prove their effectiveness. Today it became known that the Ministry of Defense received the entire package of documents for the adoption of this infantry weapons into service.


All documents for the adoption of the gun "Boa" in service transferred to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation


The Rostec state corporation reports that the pistol underwent experimental military operation. The military have no complaints about weapons.

Rostec reports that the Boa constrictor was exploited during the final tests in true extreme conditions. It is enough to voice the temperature range: from -50 to + 70 Celsius. 120-degree temperature dispersion in no way affected the combat functionality of the latest Russian small arms.

The creation of the "Boa" took about five years. The preliminary tests of the gun from TsNIITochmash began to take place in the spring of 2016 of the year.

What are the parameters of the gun?

Its dimensions: length 206 mm, height 145 mm, width 36 mm. The equipped weight of the gun 980 g. In the unloaded version, the gun weighs 200 g less. The Udava magazine holds 18 cartridges of 9x21 mm caliber. The lethal force is such that from a distance of 50 m a bullet pierces a sheet of armor up to 4 mm thick.

It is noted that the gun can be used in all military branches, including as an effective melee weapon.
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  1. Phenomenon
    Phenomenon 12 September 2019 12: 05
    -30
    Really - is there a bayonet-knife fastener for close combat? An amazing development for the past war, which is so carefully prepared at the moment.
    1. Nycomed
      Nycomed 12 September 2019 12: 07
      +3
      You would also mention the grenade launcher ...
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      2. Grandfather
        Grandfather 12 September 2019 12: 34
        -1
        Boa pistols continue to prove their effectiveness. Today it became known that the Ministry of Defense has received the entire package of documents for the adoption of this small arms into service. The "whip" is interesting ... it will appear, I will ask to be fired. I hope it's better "Makara".
        1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
          SERGEY SERGEEVICS 12 September 2019 13: 42
          0
          Quote: Dead Day
          Boa pistols continue to prove their effectiveness. Today it became known that the Ministry of Defense has received the entire package of documents for the adoption of this small arms into service. The "whip" is interesting ... it will appear, I will ask to be fired. I hope it's better "Makara".

          it will appear, I will ask to be pulled. I hope it's better "Makara".

          You will not regret it. From a couple of shots, you will not appreciate all its quality, but the sensations will remain for a long time yes .
          I hope it's better "Makara

          But no worse than HIS good
        2. Proxima
          Proxima 12 September 2019 13: 46
          +7
          Quote: Dead Day
          I hope it's better "Makara".
          In vain we write off the legendary “Makar”, even the chief designer of the “boa constrictor” said that his pistol was by no means “a killer of the PM”. After all, these are pistols of different classes. Nobody compares the Tiger and BT-7 tanks. "Boa" is definitely not intended for mass carrying. It is not compact. It's hard to imagine a female juvenile inspector with a “boa constrictor” belay So, another Makarych will live! good
          1. timothy61
            timothy61 12 September 2019 15: 28
            0
            a boa constrictor only for the army.
          2. Shopping Mall
            Shopping Mall 12 September 2019 17: 42
            +2
            Quote: Proxima
            Quote: Dead Day
            I hope it's better "Makara".
            In vain we write off the legendary “Makar”, even the chief designer of the “boa constrictor” said that his pistol was by no means “a killer of the PM”. After all, these are pistols of different classes. Nobody compares the Tiger and BT-7 tanks. "Boa" is definitely not intended for mass carrying. It is not compact. It's hard to imagine a female juvenile inspector with a “boa constrictor” belay So, another Makarych will live! good


            Somehow suspiciously quickly, he went through all the stages of adoption, especially since the weapon is specific.

            For example, Lebedev’s pistol was heard much earlier, but there is no information about his adoption.

            And enough to compare Boa constrictor and PM. The boa constrictor is the heir to the SPS pistol (Vector / Gyurza).
      3. Simargl
        Simargl 12 September 2019 21: 01
        +1
        Quote: Nycomed
        You would also mention the grenade launcher ...

        Well, like this...
        Without a 40 mm grenade launcher, the ability to throw over-caliber grenades, a silencer, a bayonet-knife, tactical arms, a brass knuckle, a butt, a firing device from around the corner, a 20-fold sight, a periscope, a bipod, an additional magazine holder, a triple power supply (tape, magazine , drum) ... sorry ... quadruple: + scattering, - this gun is complete garbage!
    2. ultra
      ultra 12 September 2019 13: 06
      +6
      Quote: Phenomenon
      An amazing development for the past war, which is so carefully prepared at the moment.

      Exactly! It would be better to buy more sofas and reduce the cost of Internet traffic. wassat
  2. Victor_B
    Victor_B 12 September 2019 12: 10
    0
    So I want to say - more pistols, good and different!
    But seriously, I personally do not have a clear position on this topic.
    On the one hand, it is good when the weapon is uniform, and on the other, different tasks require different weapons.
    What is the variegation in types, we clearly see on the example of tanks.
    And re-equipment with small arms is not cheaper than with new tanks.
    1. YOUR
      YOUR 12 September 2019 12: 22
      -1
      Not just a rifle, but with a new ammunition. And is there any need for a general rearmament with a new pistol? For specialists, yes, it is not discussed, but the rest is in question.
      1. figwam
        figwam 12 September 2019 12: 32
        +2
        And is there any need for a general rearmament with a new pistol?
        Well, yes, they would have gone with battles and battalions checked by fights.
        1. YOUR
          YOUR 12 September 2019 12: 41
          0
          Berdanka is a rifle.
          1. figwam
            figwam 12 September 2019 12: 45
            +3
            Berdanka is a rifle.
            Brilliant!
            Well, you probably do not mind that instead of the Berdan rifle in the army, a Kalashnikov assault rifle or didn’t need rearmament.
            1. YOUR
              YOUR 12 September 2019 13: 20
              +2
              Explain the need for rearmament on a pistol under the cartridge 9 * 21. How do you justify such financial expenses. Why does an infantry officer need such a barrel if he uses a machine gun in battle. They don’t converge in hand-to-hand combat, at the present time it is nonsense. Everything is decided by artillery, aviation, armor. For specialists, I wrote above, but such a gun is necessary for those who work shortly, cleaning rooms, capturing prisoners. And what's the point of the rest? If the same flyers, following the example of Syria, take with them the AKSU, 120 rounds, 2 grenades and APS. One can understand and welcome the adoption of the PP. Compactness, automatic shooting, increased range compared to a pistol.
              I am 100% sure that everything will be as if they were accepted into armament, and practically did not join the troops.
              And leave the scumbag. There is something to write about the case; I’ll read it with pleasure and argue or not, I just agree.
              1. figwam
                figwam 12 September 2019 15: 02
                +2
                Explain the need for rearmament on a pistol under the cartridge 9 * 21. How do you justify such financial expenses. Why does an infantry officer need such a barrel if he uses a machine gun in battle.

                Yes, the trend towards an increase in the penetration capacity of small arms due to modern personal protective equipment has long been understood. Now conflicts for the most part take place in cities, and this is close combat, and if something happens, then the pistol must be guaranteed to penetrate the helmet and body armor of the enemy, "Makarov" is no longer suitable for this.
                1. YOUR
                  YOUR 12 September 2019 15: 10
                  0
                  Where do urban conflicts occur? An example is Donbass or Syria, or maybe in Yugoslavia they fought in cities or in Iraq? Why invent? But there is, there are specialists in short work. they have the appropriate weapons.
                  1. figwam
                    figwam 12 September 2019 15: 16
                    +2
                    Where do urban conflicts occur?

                    What do I need to explain to me?
                    1. YOUR
                      YOUR 12 September 2019 15: 34
                      0
                      If not very difficult then yes, explain.
              2. timothy61
                timothy61 12 September 2019 15: 31
                +1
                To re-equip the army, but the Ministry of Internal Affairs is not. Different problems to be solved.
              3. Vovanya
                Vovanya 12 September 2019 22: 07
                0
                This pistol simply did not have a chance to be out of service - it was developed by TsNIITOCHMASH - the ultimate truth in weapons, and they’ll just push their weapons and, to the detriment of others, endow them with unprecedented characteristics. I had the opportunity to make sure.
  3. Oleg Kolsky 051
    Oleg Kolsky 051 12 September 2019 12: 24
    -2
    The question is why? After all, there is already an ATP under the same cartridge, and proven battles. Or MO doesn't like "Gyurza", but liked "Boa constrictor"?
    1. YOUR
      YOUR 13 September 2019 04: 30
      0
      As it turned out, Gyurza decently lacks. At least a double fuse.
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 12 September 2019 12: 25
    +7
    In short, whoever likes it - walks with the PM, Weighed with the "Boa" equally, 18 rounds and the power of the cartridge - are incomparable.
    If reliability is good and accuracy is good, why not?
    1. loki565
      loki565 12 September 2019 12: 33
      +4
      Great new gun, TTX is much better than PMa
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 12 September 2019 12: 48
        +8
        to shoot, what to chat for free ...
      2. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
        SERGEY SERGEEVICS 12 September 2019 12: 55
        +3
        According to the video, a good gun turned out, and the military appreciates it from a positive side.
        TTX is much better than PMA

        Pistols do not compare who is better and who is worse. Each model of a pistol is made for its specific tasks and comparisons are inappropriate here.
    2. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
      SERGEY SERGEEVICS 12 September 2019 13: 06
      +1
      In short, who likes - walks with PM,

      No, you are wrong. Which pistol is in service and enrolled is yours, you will go around and choose the pistols that you like for walking, you will be at home if you have a civilian version.
    3. YOUR
      YOUR 13 September 2019 04: 51
      0
      Why are you attached to this PM. It is gradually being removed from service, replacing it with the PYa "Grach". And this is surprising. The PYa was adopted in 2003. Since 2004, it began to be produced in small batches for the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the pistol began to enter the troops in large quantities since 2011, i.e. the army just switched to a new cartridge 9 * 19, less than 8 years have passed since they decided to switch to a new cartridge 9 * 21 and new weapons. Meanwhile, the PYa has already fully re-equipped the Western VO, partly the Eastern. All units of the Russian Guard located on the territory of the Southern Military District and partly of the RA, units of constant combat readiness of the same district. So The PM remained only in units located in the interior of the country and in units that did not directly participate in combined arms battles.
      Ammunition has been developed for pistols ПЯ, ГШ that can be flashed without any problems any military body armor - 7Н21, 7Н31. Bronik holds an AKM bullet, but passes in front of these cartridges. And now everything is down the drain.
      That's what is not clear
  5. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 12 September 2019 12: 38
    +3
    According to the TTX, the gun is very good, plus its cartridge.
    The most important thing here is that the build quality is good, without childhood diseases.
    1. Edward Vashchenko
      Edward Vashchenko 12 September 2019 12: 57
      +1
      Externally, ergonomics are not very bad, especially for two hands, PM has a problem with this, of course.
      1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
        SERGEY SERGEEVICS 12 September 2019 13: 14
        +2
        Quote: Edward Vashchenko
        Externally, ergonomics are not very bad, especially for two hands, PM has a problem with this, of course.

        PM certainly has trouble with this.

        PM, it was originally made under one standard, under the right hand.
      2. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 12 September 2019 13: 19
        +1
        Personally, I'm right-handed, Makar is convenient for me))
        1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
          SERGEY SERGEEVICS 12 September 2019 13: 28
          0
          Quote: Lord of the Sith
          Personally, I'm right-handed, Makar is convenient for me))

          So he intended for this.
          1. Edward Vashchenko
            Edward Vashchenko 12 September 2019 13: 46
            +1
            I’m left-handed, there are problems, the first time I shot I shot - I immediately skinned)
            1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
              SERGEY SERGEEVICS 12 September 2019 14: 10
              0
              Quote: Edward Vashchenko
              I’m left-handed, there are problems, the first time I shot I shot - I immediately skinned)

              So this was to be expected, it is intended for the right-hander.
              1. Edward Vashchenko
                Edward Vashchenko 12 September 2019 15: 20
                0
                They don’t ask in the army wink
                1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
                  SERGEY SERGEEVICS 12 September 2019 16: 14
                  0
                  Quote: Edward Vashchenko
                  They don’t ask in the army wink

                  They don’t ask a lot of things in the army, they begin to adapt yes
    2. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
      SERGEY SERGEEVICS 12 September 2019 13: 27
      -1
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      According to the TTX, the gun is very good, plus its cartridge.
      The most important thing here is that the build quality is good, without childhood diseases.

      And why, will he have a bad assembly? under one format and stamped. And on the gun Oplot, are there any childhood diseases?
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 12 September 2019 14: 01
        +3
        Without a clue, Oplot personally did not hold in his hands.
        I heard about PY, they say the quality is lame. And about other Russian pistols.
        1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
          SERGEY SERGEEVICS 12 September 2019 14: 05
          -1
          The stronghold did not personally hold in his hands.

          Everything is clear then.
          I heard about PY, they say the quality is lame.

          It was like this (because of the store), but it has already been fixed.
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          2. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith 12 September 2019 14: 19
            +1
            Everything is clear then.


            And what is clear?))
            1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
              SERGEY SERGEEVICS 12 September 2019 14: 27
              -1
              The fact that you did not hold a bulwark in your hands. I asked you, about this gun, I thought that maybe you crossed paths with him in everyday life.
              1. Lord of the Sith
                Lord of the Sith 12 September 2019 14: 48
                +2
                No, it did not intersect, mainly PM, PB, APS and, well, different foreign ones.
  6. And
    And 12 September 2019 12: 54
    +1
    Well, judging by the technical specifications and the fact that the military has no complaints about him, a good change came over to old man Makaru.
  7. gabonskijfront
    gabonskijfront 12 September 2019 13: 07
    +1
    Why Boa, why Boa? they are not found here and in general there is nothing more beautiful and informative than the traditional designations of weapons, AK-74, PM, SVT-40
    1. senima56
      senima56 12 September 2019 14: 39
      0
      Really! Why: PM (Makarova), PL (Lebedeva), PYa (Yarygina), TT (Tokareva), etc., and then suddenly "Boa constrictor", but not PK (Kozlova)? It's a shame.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 12 September 2019 14: 42
        +5
        Quote: senima56
        but not pc

        Because the PC is a Kalashnikov machine gun laughing
  8. senima56
    senima56 12 September 2019 14: 32
    0
    It seems that for the first time they did not mention the "fake news" that "Boa constrictor" is a replacement for Makarov's pistol "!
  9. Azazelo
    Azazelo 12 September 2019 15: 13
    0
    What are so worn with this Boa constrictor .... a gun like a gun ...
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 12 September 2019 15: 45
      0
      Serial production is a big state order and money, respectively.
  10. Engineer
    Engineer 12 September 2019 16: 28
    +1
    It would be better if Berdysh was launched in a series under a common cartridge. Still, an army pistol, and the ammunition was chosen outlandish for special forces.
    1. senima56
      senima56 12 September 2019 17: 02
      0
      The journalists immediately "christened" it: "A boa constrictor" to replace Makarov's pistol! will be in demand by special forces to perform special tasks.
    2. garri-lin
      garri-lin 12 September 2019 18: 12
      0
      And the new ammunition. Not only does it meet the new requirements, but also the modernization potential is 50 years ahead.
      1. senima56
        senima56 12 September 2019 19: 57
        0
        Ammunition is NOT new! Back in 2003, the Serdyukov pistol (SPS or SR-1) was adopted into service under the 9x21 cartridge! But the army didn’t go to the army just because of the high cost of ammunition!
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 12 September 2019 21: 38
          +1
          Compared to others, it is new. With a luger especially. And about the high cost of ammunition in more detail. What's so expensive about him? Armor-piercing bullet? So are others with armor-piercing expensive.
  11. Doliva63
    Doliva63 12 September 2019 18: 33
    0
    Quote: Proxima
    Quote: Dead Day
    I hope it's better "Makara".
    In vain we write off the legendary “Makar”, even the chief designer of the “boa constrictor” said that his pistol was by no means “a killer of the PM”. After all, these are pistols of different classes. Nobody compares the Tiger and BT-7 tanks. "Boa" is definitely not intended for mass carrying. It is not compact. It's hard to imagine a female juvenile inspector with a “boa constrictor” belay So, another Makarych will live! good

    I think that he will still be living pretty well in the army, because an officer (besides an automatic machine with a BC) can’t carry such a carcass with him when it’s easier and less.
  12. Doliva63
    Doliva63 12 September 2019 18: 40
    -2
    Quote: senima56
    The journalists immediately "christened" it: "A boa constrictor" to replace Makarov's pistol! will be in demand by special forces to perform special tasks.

    What kind of special forces in the Ministry of Defense will be in demand? Special Forces? There "for special tasks" you need a head, but there is also an assault rifle that cannot be replaced by any pistol. The military does not need a new toy of this order.
    1. senima56
      senima56 12 September 2019 23: 06
      0
      Do not speak nonsense! "... but there is a machine gun ..."! Then, in your opinion, you didn't need the VSS Vintorez rifle and the AS Val automatic machine based on it? Don't need an ASh-12 assault rifle? Then why did the Defense Ministry order them from the industry just for the special forces ?! No one with one machine gun, no matter how good it is, in the Army, and even more so special forces, will not do! You need a lot of weapons and as much variety as possible!
  13. Doliva63
    Doliva63 12 September 2019 18: 42
    0
    Quote: garri-lin
    And the new ammunition. Not only does it meet the new requirements, but also the modernization potential is 50 years ahead.

    Do not tell me the new requirements for a pistol cartridge in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation? I probably missed something.
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin 12 September 2019 21: 41
      0
      A pistol mass cartridge is also a cartridge for a machine gun. And now also for a pistol-based carbine. Increased armor penetration and range.
  14. asura
    asura 12 September 2019 18: 52
    +1
    Pfff ... Want a good army pistol? Make a clone of the SIG-Sauer P229 or something in its dimensions. A compact pistol with a magazine of 12-13 rounds, not these mega-drins. Why does the army need full-size barrels with 18 rounds? They still will hardly shoot from it, but they will be tortured to carry it. Suffice it to recall the constant whining about Yarygin - "how big he is"
  15. Old26
    Old26 12 September 2019 19: 28
    +2
    Quote: YOUR
    Why does an infantry officer need such a barrel if he uses a machine gun in battle. They don’t converge in a hand-to-hand combat, at present it is nonsense. Everything is decided by artillery, aviation, armor. For specialists, I wrote above, but such a gun is necessary for those who work shortly, cleaning rooms, capturing prisoners

    I am not special in all this, but can't an army officer find himself in a situation where it will be necessary to capture a prisoner or clean the premises?
    The new cartridge, in the first place, as I understand it, is intended to counter the situation when fighters of the other side everywhere have personal protective equipment. When the PM was created this was not. And all other attempts to create pistols chambered for 9x18 or 9x21 were based on this. The possibility of defeating the enemy in the SIZ

    Quote: YOUR
    If the same flyers, following the example of Syria, take with them the AKSU, 120 rounds, 2 grenades and APS. One can understand and welcome the adoption of the PP. Compactness, automatic shooting, increased range compared to a pistol.

    But at the same time, a submachine gun chambered for 9x19 in any case will lose to the machine with its cartridge. It turns out combat efficiency will decrease in favor of convenience. And God forbid, the enemy will be in the defense. And what will a submachine gun chambered for 9x19 or a pistol chambered for 9x18 against such an enemy do?

    Quote: YOUR
    Where do urban conflicts occur? An example is Donbass or Syria, or maybe in Yugoslavia they fought in cities or in Iraq? Why invent? But there is, there are specialists in short work. they have the appropriate weapons.

    And a priori will never happen in cities? After all, the replacement is not based on the fact that you do not need to do this, since now it does not happen?
    1. Simargl
      Simargl 12 September 2019 21: 22
      -1
      Quote: Old26
      When the PM was created this was not.
      It was already, even with us, but not in large quantities.

      Quote: Old26
      But at the same time, a submachine gun chambered for 9x19 in any case will lose to the machine with its cartridge.
      Not convincing: if the "automatic" - AKSU, then its energy shot is better compared with the PP, and the weight, dimensions (ammunition and the device itself)?
  16. Old26
    Old26 12 September 2019 21: 27
    +2
    Quote: Simargl
    It was already, even with us, but not in large quantities.

    Something I didn’t really meet, so that in the late 40s, when a decision was issued to create this pistol, body armor was in the army. If something happened, then most likely something artisanal and extremely rare. It is unlikely that in the TTZ at the PM there was a point about hitting a target located in armored

    Quote: Simargl
    Not convincing: if the "automatic" - AKSU, then its energy shot is better compared with the PP, and the weight, dimensions (ammunition and the device itself)?

    More convenient with PP - yes, a smaller weapon - yes. But I repeat, it is unlikely that the cartridge from the PP can compete with the cartridge from the AK
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin 12 September 2019 21: 57
      -2
      If AK is AKSU then you should consider a short barrel. And if the PP was not made for short combat, but for a distance of 200 meters and has a normal barrel, the difference will be indistinguishable.
  17. Old26
    Old26 12 September 2019 23: 39
    +3
    Quote: garri-lin
    If AK is AKSU then you should consider a short barrel. And if the PP was not made for short combat, but for a distance of 200 meters and has a normal barrel, the difference will be indistinguishable.

    I don’t know, I don’t know. The AKSU still has an aiming range of 350-500 m, and for the PP-2000 - 200 meters.
    The barrel length for AKSU is 206,5 mm, for PP-2000 - 139 mm, energy for a cartridge 5,45x39 1360-1430 J, for a cartridge 9x19 Pa - up to 600 J. IMHO the difference is distinguishable. Even if the fights will go on a short distance (200-300 meters), the energy of a bullet twice as large will have its effect. IMHO only a big plus in the PP-2000 - is its compactness. But in any case, this is a submachine gun, roughly speaking, an automatic machine with a pistol cartridge.
  18. Doliva63
    Doliva63 13 September 2019 16: 51
    +1
    Quote: garri-lin
    A pistol mass cartridge is also a cartridge for a machine gun. And now also for a pistol-based carbine. Increased armor penetration and range.

    Why does an army pistol need increased penetration and range if the army does not have units armed with pistols and intended to participate in a combined arms battle? And the officer and PM will shoot themselves "above the roof". The army specialists "also do not need it, they have their own APB and PB. Why this garden at all? And the tactics of the troops are not provided for with PP.
  19. Doliva63
    Doliva63 13 September 2019 18: 18
    0
    Quote: senima56
    Do not speak nonsense! "... but there is a machine gun ..."! Then, in your opinion, you didn't need the VSS Vintorez rifle and the AS Val automatic machine based on it? Don't need an ASh-12 assault rifle? Then why did the Defense Ministry order them from the industry just for the special forces ?! No one with one machine gun, no matter how good it is, in the Army, and even more so special forces, will not do! You need a lot of weapons and as much variety as possible!

    Remain nonsense to yourself. I don’t know how much VSS and AU were needed, tk. I did not see them appear in the army, but I know that the regular AKMSN2 with PBS coped well with all the "regular" tasks. And at the expense of the orders of our post-Soviet Ministry of Defense - it is enough to remember about Mistral to understand "why".
  20. Doliva63
    Doliva63 13 September 2019 18: 28
    0
    Quote: Old26
    Quote: garri-lin
    If AK is AKSU then you should consider a short barrel. And if the PP was not made for short combat, but for a distance of 200 meters and has a normal barrel, the difference will be indistinguishable.

    I don’t know, I don’t know. The AKSU still has an aiming range of 350-500 m, and for the PP-2000 - 200 meters.
    The barrel length for AKSU is 206,5 mm, for PP-2000 - 139 mm, energy for a cartridge 5,45x39 1360-1430 J, for a cartridge 9x19 Pa - up to 600 J. IMHO the difference is distinguishable. Even if the fights will go on a short distance (200-300 meters), the energy of a bullet twice as large will have its effect. IMHO only a big plus in the PP-2000 - is its compactness. But in any case, this is a submachine gun, roughly speaking, an automatic machine with a pistol cartridge.

    From AKSU, the same exercises are easily performed as from AK (at 300-400 m.) That is, a normal machine. And if you remove the store, it fits easily in the case under the armpit so that it is not visible from under the jacket. Tested back in the late 80s. Why the hell is an ersatz weapon like PP, if there is an AKSU?
  21. va3610
    va3610 13 September 2019 18: 37
    +1
    I fundamentally do not understand this ridiculous commitment to 9x21 caliber? Muzzle energy is not more or even less than in individual copies of 9x19. In my opinion, its effectiveness is exaggerated, such as the invented wunderwafle, but in fact bullshit and show-offs.
  22. cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 14 September 2019 01: 09
    0
    Kozlov's gun good (PC aka "Boa constrictor") "eats" cartridges 9x21. Are they already being mass-produced (in-line)? This conversation is not about the PC itself (Kozlov pistol good ), and talking about the "new" cartridges 9x21, for the army they need to be "riveted" in the millions, or will there be 1-2 BK (1-2 clips) per "barrel"? what