Italy joins British 6 generation fighter program

Italy officially joined the British project for the development of the "sixth generation" Tempest fighter as part of a complex of promising combat systems aviation. It is reported by the military messenger Janes 360.

Italian Defense Minister Gerini Lorenzo has officially announced a partnership agreement under which Rome will join the Tempest British sixth-generation multi-role fighter program. A statement came soon after the signing of the corresponding letter of intent at the DSEI 2019 defense exhibition in London.

[Joining the program] is a very result achieved through effective, fruitful and concrete work, confirming the superiority of the Italian defense industry.

- quoted by the Lorenzo Italian Ministry of Defense (MO).

As the UK Department of Defense noted, the protocol signed in London between the two countries includes several bilateral obligations, including: closer coordination of government actions regarding future improvements to the Eurofighter Typhoon; developing dialogue on Tempest's military needs; development of a roadmap and identification of opportunities for the integration of advanced Eurofighter Typhoon technologies into Tempest; development of an innovative, flexible and cooperative industrial structure to meet the needs of a promising fighter program; as well as the launch of pilot studies that should demonstrate collaboration.

Tempest has a competitor

By joining the Tempest program, Italy becomes the second international project partner after Sweden. Stockholm signed a memorandum of understanding in June, during which representatives of SAAB (the company is the general contractor on the Swedish side) expressed hope for in-depth cooperation within the framework of the Teampest project on the development of “future technologies” related to the platform.

However, although Sweden signed a letter of intent earlier, it has not yet officially joined the program (a decision on this issue will be made in the third quarter of the 2020 of the year) and instead is collaborating on the broader British Initiative Combat Strategy (CAS): Tempest is part of this global project. Italy's interest in a promising next-generation fighter seems more substantive at this stage.

In the EU, there is an alternative project for a promising combat aircraft. This is the Franco-German Future Combat Air System, of which Spain expresses clear interest: they have already introduced the FCAS cockpit concept.

Comments

[Nycomed]

It was immediately clear that no one could raise such a project alone. And then there’s a competitor. It’s already interesting, especially since all these countries have experience in the joint creation of aircraft.

[afrikanez]

It was immediately clear that no one could raise such a project alone.
Well why not. this business could be dealt with by "British scientists", as everyone knows, everything works out (though only on paper)

[Nycomed]

"Well why not. this business could be dealt with by "British scientists", as everyone knows, everything works out (though only on paper)"
The British have not been developing aircraft alone since the late 60s, examples are: Jaguar, Tornado, Eurofighter, Airbus, Concorde.

[Town Hall]

Italy officially joins the sixth generation fighter project in Britain

And in what official document is the project designated as the 6 generation ?.

[voyaka uh]

I think they will give birth to the European fifth.

[Town Hall]

Estessno. As Typhoon was the same 4-m generation as previously released f-15 / 16 / 18

[Avior]

Modified Eurofighter

[Town Hall]

Quote: Avior

Modified Eurofighter

Approximately as Ф-22 / 35-modified Ф-15 / 16)

[Avior]

And F-16 is a modified Wright brothers airplane

[voyaka uh]

England + Sweden + Italy.
England has Rolls-Royce engines and BAE Systems rockets + electronics.
Sweden has groundwork on Gripen.
Italy has a Leonardo company and an assembly plant F-35 (the latest assembly technologies).
Maybe something will turn out.
Although, my suspicion is that they will give birth to something similar to the improved F-35.

[Shrek]

Most likely, it will be so. At the very least, it is logical to use your best practices to create the aircraft that all participants in this project need.

[AVA77]

Yeah, the Americans will quickly explain to them that the best F-35. This is the American F-35

[voyaka uh]

You are right to compete with Ф-35, which will become massive and relatively cheap,
it'll be hard. The F-35 will have a "block-4" with new capabilities in a few years ...
But if Europeans manage to make a good 2-engine stealth similar to the F-22,
there’s a chance to break through.

[Town Hall]

Italy and the WB have purchased an F-35 to replace the outdated Tornado. They have replaced their fighter-bomber "unit" of the Air Force. Now they want an aircraft to replace the Typhoon. That is, with a "fighter" slope. Air superiority aircraft. This is the main difference from the German / French project. They want a more "bomber" version

[voyaka uh]

Yes, it seems so. The typhoon has already "run out" in terms of upgrades.
And sold in the world is bad. In short, you need to design new-F22.

[Town Hall]

The cost of the most sophisticated Typhoons (with AFAR, etc.) - exceeded 100 million It is uncompetitively capable compared to the F-35 in this plan. Despite the fact that no matter how much you upgrade, it still remains the 4th generation. And everyone who has money, wants 5 -e). Therefore, both Tempest and Franco / German projects were launched. We need a 5th generation air superiority plane. I wonder what the Americans will answer. They don’t export the F-22. modification of the 35th. F-35F)

[voyaka uh]

For me, too, is a mystery how the Americans replace the F-22.
F-35 plans to increase the engine power by 10%. it
will improve, but not fundamentally change its capabilities.
He will not become an interceptor. And xnumx explosives in the belly instead
the current 4 in "block 4" is an increase in the fighter capabilities,
but again - not much. What in F-35 you can wind up to infinity:
stealth jokes (fooling air defense), control of drones and ground forces, lasers, collective hunts and traps for the enemy in the air.
But again - this is not air supremacy in single battles.

[Town Hall]

Well, for themselves, they are "covered" for a long time F-22. It still needs to be modernized and modernized. I meant for export. What this niche-clean fighter-will fill. And this niche will be in demand. Once the world is filled with F-35-will be an aircraft that knows how to shoot them down is also in demand. If the Europeans succeed with Tempest in this particular version of the fighter, they will become a kind of monopolist in the niche. It is unlikely that America will offer anything similar

[Herman 4223]

So by the thirtieth year in the United States, the 6 generation fighter is expected. Europeans will again be behind. The main thing here is that our people do not lag behind, I hope the development of something new is going on.

[voyaka uh]

"So by the thirtieth year, the United States has a generation 6 fighter" ////
----
It is not clear how they think of him. The Air Force wants a fighter-strategist. With the range of strategic bombers, and stealth, and also high-supersonic. The simplest estimate says a price of 300 million apiece. It's minimum.
The Navy has modest plans: the 5 generation with an increased range and the option of being a drone.
I believe that there will be a sharp turn in development if the first AI fighter drones are launched into production.

[Herman 4223]

What will it be now no one will say. This is known only to developers and those who directly order it. But it is obvious that there will be many fundamentally new solutions and a number of new characteristics that no modern aircraft will have. Europe does not develop new methods of air warfare, namely, the strategy determines what the aircraft should be able to do and what tasks it will solve. In the US, new methods have already been formulated, so the development of a new machine is in full swing. Europe will learn about new methods of action when this machine is already in mass production.

[AVA77]

I'm not sure that F-35 will become massive and relatively cheap, but I'm sure that America
it simply will not allow Europe to compete with itself; Europe is simply a large arms market for the United States and should remain such. Nothing personal, just a business.

[g1washntwn]

I agree with the beginning of the post, but this is possible only if the sales do not sag and the cooperation (by analogy with Turkey) is not let down by the Americans after Bolton.
About fair competition from the Americans and "a chance to break through" frankly amused. Everything is heading towards a tough cold war against certain centers of influence, and Europe, from the point of view of the United States, is a springboard, not an enemy. What kind of competition in general?

[g1washntwn]

Quote: voyaka uh

Italy has a Leonardo company and an assembly plant F-35 (the latest assembly technologies).

Italy not so long ago was moaning about the fact that it had not received any technology or buns. Most likely, the US’s reluctance to share its best practices pushed Italy to British Tempest. They probably think that the United States will merge something with the islanders through friendship. But I would not count on it, the task of the Americans is to drive the allies to big expenses so that the cheaper and updated F-35 competes.

[Pavel57]

How is the 6 different from the 5 generation?

[missuris]

drones, hypersound)) lasers)) morphing coating)) and other magic

[shadow]

The West, led by the United States, cannot even make a normal 5th generation aircraft. One kills its own pilots due to an error at the design stage, which is why it was discontinued and another began to be made to replace it. The second has eternal problems with all systems that only exist. I can imagine what the 6th generation will be like. It can even take off - can it? France has already shown its plywood at the air show. Everyone was happy. They made a lot of photos. So the "plywood" will fly over Paris. You look, by the 35th year, maybe the metal will be brought up to cover the plywood.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

this is a very result

Well said!

[rocket757]

Quote: voyaka uh

England + Sweden + Italy.
England has Rolls-Royce engines and BAE Systems rockets + electronics.
Sweden has groundwork on Gripen.
Italy has a Leonardo company and an assembly plant F-35 (the latest assembly technologies).
Maybe something will turn out.
Although, my suspicion is that they will give birth to something similar to the improved F-35.

And someone can NOW give birth to something other than the F-35 IMPROVED ??? There are many things that are not worked out, not finalized ... one concept has not been worked out to something understandable and complete, but to take on another?
There is a "penguin", this is a real model on which you can experience, work out, bring to mind a lot more! Even its potential is not fully revealed! But there is a lot of new in it, this is the most advanced model in many respects, that's where the field of activity is!
However, if slowly, collecting all the data from where possible, it will turn out ......

[5-9]

Strange of course ... both Britain and Italy are participants in X-NUMX, Italy is so key. About the 35-e generation is PR and for diverting eyes, taking into account the planned life cycle of Pha-6 as much as the middle of the century.
Here, or everyone appreciated that as a fighter for gaining air supremacy, he sucks completely and irreparably, or they foresee a breakdown between the EU and the USA and the termination of cooperation on FY-35. Or both.