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How the Poles served the Third Reich

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For a long time, historians spoke only about the service of the Poles in the armies that fought against Nazi Germany, including Polish formations on the territory of the USSR. This was largely due to the creation of socialist Poland (when it was secretly decided to forget about the sins of pre-war Poland) and historical concept, from which it followed that the Poles were exclusively victims of Nazi Germany. In fact, hundreds of thousands of Poles fought in the Wehrmacht, the SS and the police on the side of the Third Reich.


How the Poles served the Third Reich

The soldiers of Свwiętokrzyskie brigade at the parade. 1945


Poles in the Wehrmacht and the SS


For the leadership of the Third Reich, the Poles were historical enemies. However, firstly, the Nazis tried to colonize Poland, and for this the principle of "divide and conquer" was used. The Germans distinguished various Slavic ethnic groups that have not yet become part of the Polish nation. In particular, Kashubov - in Pomerania, Mazury - in Prussia, Silesians - in Western Poland (Silesia), Gurals (highlanders) - in the Polish Tatras. Polish protestants also stood out. These ethnic groups, related to the Poles, and Protestants, were considered as privileged groups related to the Germans. Many Silesians or Kashubians saw in the loyalty of the German administration the possibility of a national revival, which was not during the Great Poland policy of 1919-1939.

Secondly, in the war on the Eastern Front, where losses were constantly growing, Berlin needed human resources. Therefore, the Nazis turned a blind eye to the service of the Poles in the Wehrmacht (as well as the Jews). At the same time, part of the Poles enlisted in the army as Germans. In the autumn of 1939, a census was conducted where people had to determine their nationality, many called themselves Germans to avoid repression. And those who called themselves Germans fell under the law of universal conscription.

As a result, the Poles served everywhere: on the Western and Eastern fronts, in Africa near Rommel and in the occupation forces in Greece. The Slavs were considered good soldiers, disciplined and brave. Usually these were ordinary workers and peasants, good “material” for the infantry. Thousands of Silesians were awarded the Iron Crosses, several hundreds received the Knight's Crosses - the highest German military award. However, the Slavs were not promoted to non-commissioned officers and officers, did not trust them, they were afraid of their transfer to Polish units, who fought for the USSR and for Western democracies. The Germans did not begin to create separate Silesian or Pomeranian units. Also, the Poles did not serve in the tank forces, the Air Force, on navyspecial services. This was largely due to lack of knowledge of the German language. There was no time to teach their language. Taught only the most basic expressions and commands. They even allowed to speak Polish.

The exact data on the number of Polish citizens worn by German uniforms is unknown. The Germans counted only the Poles, who were called up before the autumn of 1943. Then, from the Polish upper Upper Silesia and Pomerania joined to the Third Reich, they took 200 thousand soldiers. However, recruitment to the Wehrmacht continued further, and on an even wider scale. As a result, until the end of 1944, up to 450, thousands of citizens of pre-war Poland were called up to the Wehrmacht. According to Professor Ryszard Kaczmarek, director of the Institute of History of the University of Silesia, author of the book “Poles in the Wehrmacht”, about half a million Poles from Upper Silesia and Pomerania passed through the German armed forces. The remaining Poles, who lived on the territory of the governor general, were not drafted into the armed forces of the Third Reich. Killed, when compared with the losses of the Wehrmacht, up to 250 thousand Poles. It is also known that the Red Army captured, according to incomplete data, over 60 thousand troops of the Wehrmacht of Polish nationality; Western allies captured more than 68 thousand Poles; about 89 thousand people joined the army of Anders (some deserted, some fell from prisoner of war camps).

It is also known about the presence of Poles in the SS troops. During the battles on the Russian front, Polish volunteers were noted in the 3rd tank SS Dead Head division, in the 4th SS Police Grenadier Division, in the 31st SS Volunteer Grenadier Division and the 32nd SS SS Volunteer Grenadier Division, January 30th.

At the final stage of the war, the so-called ентwiętokrzysk Brigade or “Holy Cross Brigade”, formed from Polish Nazis holding radical anti-communist and anti-Semitic views and taking part in the genocide of Jews, was accepted into the SS forces. Her commander was Colonel Anthony Shatsky. The ентwiętokrzyskie brigade, created in the summer of 1944 (over 800 fighters), fought against pro-communist military units in Poland (Ludov’s army), Soviet partisans. In January 1945, the brigade entered into hostilities with the Soviet troops, became part of the German forces. From its structure formed subversive groups for operations in the rear of the Red Army.

Together with the Germans, the Holy Cross brigade retreated from Poland to the territory of the protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia (occupied Czechoslovakia). There, her soldiers and officers received the status of SS volunteers, were partially dressed in SS uniforms, but with Polish insignia. The composition of the brigade was replenished at the expense of Polish refugees and grew to 4 thousand people. In April, he sent the brigade to the front, its task included protecting the rear in the frontline, fighting the Czech partisans and Soviet intelligence groups. In early May 1945, the Polish SS men retreated west to meet the advancing Americans. Along the way, in order to alleviate their fate, they liberated part of the Flossenbürg concentration camp in Golisov. The Americans accepted the Polish SS men, entrusted them with the protection of German prisoners of war, and then allowed them to take refuge in the American occupation zone. In post-war Poland, members of the Holy Cross brigade were convicted in absentia.


Poles from the Wehrmacht unit captured in the Monte Cassino area. They were drafted into the German army in Silesia and sent to serve in Italy. 1944


Polish police


In the fall of 1939, the Germans set about forming the Polish auxiliary police - the Polish Police of the Governor-General (Polnische Polizei im Generalgouvernement). In her ranks were former police officers of the Polish Republic. By February 1940, the Polish police totaled 8,7 thousand people, in 1943 g. - 16 thousand people. By the color of the uniform, it was called "blue police." She dealt with criminal offenses and smuggling. The Polish police also involved the Germans in the security, guard and patrol services, participated in the arrests, deportations of Jews, and the protection of Jewish ghettos. After the war, 2 thousand former “blue” police officers were recognized as war criminals, about 600 people were sentenced to death.

In the spring of 1943, with the beginning of the extermination of the Polish population of Volyn by bandits of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA), the German authorities formed Polish police battalions. They were supposed to replace the Ukrainian police battalions in Volyn, which were part of the Governor-General and went over to the UPA. Poles joined the 102, 103, 104 mixed police battalions, as well as the police battalion of the 27 Volyn infantry division. In addition, 2 Polish police battalion was created - 107 (450 people) and 202 (600 people). Together with German troops and police, they fought with UPA units. Also, the Polish police battalions interacted with Polish self-defense units and participated in a punitive operation against the West Russian population. Police battalions were subordinate to the SS command in Volyn and in Belarusian Polesie.

Polish police were dressed in uniforms of the German military police. Armed with the first Soviet captured weapon, then received German carbines, submachine guns and light machine guns.

At the beginning of the 1944 year, soldiers of the 107-th Polish police battalion went over to the side of the Home Army. In May 202, soldiers of the 1944 battalion became part of the SS troops, and in August 1944 the battalion was defeated and dispersed in battles with the Red Army in the Warsaw area.


Polish police of the Governor General of the Third Reich. 1941


Jewish police


Citizens of the former Polish Republic also served in the Jewish police. After the occupation, the entire Jewish population of Poland was forcibly concentrated in special and protected areas - the ghetto. These areas had internal self-government and their own law enforcement services (Judischer Ordnungsdienst). The ghetto police recruited former employees of the Polish police, soldiers and officers of the Polish army, Jews by nationality. Jewish police maintained order within the ghetto, took part in raids, escorted during the resettlement and deportation of Jews, ensured the execution of orders of the German authorities, etc. The ordinary policemen did not have firearms, only batons, officers were armed with pistols. There were about 2500 police officers in the largest Warsaw ghetto, 1200 in the Lodz ghetto, and 150 in Krakow.

During the arrests, raids, deportations, etc., the Jewish police purposefully and strictly followed the instructions of the Germans. Some collaborators were sentenced to death and killed by Jewish Resistance fighters. A small part of the police, from the rank and file, tried to help the exterminated tribesmen. With the destruction of the ghetto, the Nazis eliminated the Jewish police, most of its members were killed. After the war, Israeli special services sought out and brought to justice the surviving members of the Jewish police and other traitors.

After the end of World War II, Poland became part of the socialist camp. Therefore, it was decided not to stir up the dark past of Poland and its citizens. The historical theory was accepted that the Poles were exclusively victims of Nazi Germany. This view prevails in modern Poland. The Polish soldiers of the Wehrmacht and other units of the Third Reich themselves tried not to remember the shameful service. The participants in the war wrote memoirs of service in the army of Anders, the 1-th Polish army as part of the Red Army (1-th army of the Polish Army), in partisan units. They tried not to talk about service in the Wehrmacht. Those who were captured in the West after the war and returned to their homeland underwent rehabilitation. Usually there were no problems with this. These were ordinary hard workers, miners, peasants, people far from politics and ashamed of the countless crimes that the Nazis committed.


Jewish Police Bicycle Company in the Warsaw Ghetto. Sources of photos: https://ru.wikipedia.org, http://waralbum.ru
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  1. igordok
    igordok 11 September 2019 06: 53 New
    +19

    According to the plot of the film: a Pole from Silesia, drafted into the Wehrmacht, into tankers. He ran to the side of the Red Army.
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 11 September 2019 07: 30 New
      +6
      Poles in the Wehrmacht and the SS.
      Polish police.
      Jewish police.

      After the end of World War II, Poland became part of the socialist camp. Therefore, it was decided not to stir up the dark past of Poland and its citizens. The historical theory was accepted that the Poles were exclusively victims of Nazi Germany. This view prevails in modern Poland.
      Well, modern history proves once again that in history, as they say, sewn in a bag you still can’t hide! Everything will ever come out.

      The Polish soldiers of the Wehrmacht and other units of the Third Reich themselves tried not to remember the shameful service
      According to sociology, a person who has not repented of crimes will, under similar circumstances, repeat his crimes again. They say about such that "only the grave will correct the hunchback."
      Which we observe in fascist modern bourgeois Poland.
      1. kalibr
        kalibr 11 September 2019 09: 04 New
        +12
        EVERYONE served Hitler - Indians, Walloons, French, Spaniards, Belgians, Norwegians, Italians, Bosnians, Croats, Hungarians, Slovenes, Ukrainians, Finns, Latvians, Estonians, English, Lithuanians, Azerbaijanis, Georgians ... Russians ... And this not all, just tired of writing. Who is more, who is less ... So he managed to put his state-in ...
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 11 September 2019 10: 35 New
          +6
          Quote: kalibr
          And that’s not all, just tired of writing. Who is more, who is less ...

          It was possible not to list, just refer to books: Sergey Drobyazko, Andrey Karashchuk
          "Eastern volunteers in the Wehrmacht, the police and the SS."
          "Nazi occupation and collaboration in Russia, 1941-1944"
          Carlos Caballero Jurado Foreign volunteers in the Wehrmacht. 1941-1945
          And you can add: The book of M. Kustov "Mercenaries of the Fuhrer" is devoted to little-known pages of the history of the Great Patriotic War. She talks about the allies of Hitler, the Hungarian and Croatian, Romanian and Slovak armies, volunteers from Spain, Scandinavia, the republics of the USSR. In the Baltic States, Ukraine and some other states today they are called freedom fighters, fighters against communism ...
          1. nikon7717
            nikon7717 13 September 2019 00: 29 New
            +3
            Everyone is frightened by communism, Soviet Russia, maybe then the West will expose the bill for false ideology, calculate lost profits under IFRS for 100 years. BUT? :)
            How would the doctrine of communism come from??)
            Let them pay. And then Jews from all row for everything. And in the Russian Federation only all sins are hung. And whoever cries, keep the thief loudest. ABOUT!
        2. BAI
          BAI 11 September 2019 10: 36 New
          +3
          Not all. There were no gypsies. I mean European nations.
        3. Operator
          Operator 11 September 2019 10: 41 New
          0
          You forgot to indicate in "ALL" your fellow Jews laughing
        4. Basil50
          Basil50 11 September 2019 11: 55 New
          +5
          caliber
          Who served Hitler has long been known.
          The fact that the * former *, after the defeat in the CIVIL WAR, sought for themselves patrons and breadwinners anywhere, too, has long been known, including from the * former * themselves. The way these whites waged war against their people was no different from the Nazis. There were concentration camps and executions of villages and mass burnings and robberies. The fact that * the former * then served the Nazis as they were close both in ideology and in practice in relation to RUSSIAN people.
          It is interesting that all the peoples living in Europe served the Nazis. Of the citizens of the Soviet Union in 1941, a little less than a million served the Nazis, including criminals, Balts, Bandera and others .......
        5. YOUR
          YOUR 11 September 2019 12: 17 New
          +6
          But when the sofas are counting the forces of the USSR and Nazi Germany, for some reason these are not taken into account. Only Germans.
        6. Catfish
          Catfish 11 September 2019 13: 15 New
          +5
          About forty years ago, in the journal Foreign Military Review, in the article on the SS units there was a list of SS soldiers by nationality who were captured by us. In the last column it was listed - JEWS, and the quantity was given. Can you imagine Jews in the SS! Just some kind of phantasmagoria. There were very few of them in relation to other nationalities, but they were.
          1. Basil50
            Basil50 11 September 2019 15: 58 New
            +5
            sea ​​cat
            There it was indicated that about ten thousand Jews were captured. Almost as many were captured by the Finns.
            It is much more interesting that about one hundred thousand (100000) Jews were registered by the Soviet commandant’s office in Berlin, taken by the RED ARMY. The conclusions may be different, from the fact that the Germans so mimicked and to the fact that German Jews nevertheless served the Nazis and were useful to them. It began to kill the Soviet Jews from June 22, 1941. The Poles and the Balts took an active part in the extermination of SOVIET Jews along with the Germans and other European Nazis.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 11 September 2019 16: 00 New
              0
              Interesting numbers. Thank you Dmitry. hi
      2. vladcub
        vladcub 11 September 2019 12: 58 New
        +5
        Tatyana, how many were shifters: he served white, then he realized that he was “mistaken” and turned red, and then again white. And how many revolutionaries subsequently became counter-revolutionaries
        1. akunin
          akunin 11 September 2019 14: 31 New
          +1
          Quote: vladcub
          served white, then realized that he was “mistaken” and turned red, and then again white.

          (Everett inserted a specialist because of the rear-wheel drive orientation, did not want to insert a great Gleb) classic.
    2. vladcub
      vladcub 11 September 2019 12: 50 New
      +4
      It is possible that there were some. Why not assume that this "Guslik" was leftist or just anti-fascist?
  2. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 11 September 2019 06: 54 New
    +4
    Interesting article . Frankly, I hear about the Jewish police in the ghetto for the first time - what did these people feel when they helped their tribesmen in the genocide, how did they look into their eyes? Although what to ask, they looked, like all the traitors of any nation.
    1. gorenina91
      gorenina91 11 September 2019 07: 55 New
      +4
      -Ha .. -I advise you to watch the thin film “The Gray Zone” (2001) ... -There, without any embellishment, it was shown how the Jews themselves shoved Jews into gas chambers, and before that they took away food, valuables and jewelry from them .. -This is the Holocaust ...
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 11 September 2019 08: 04 New
        +4
        Irina, I do not argue with the presence of such facts. I’m more interested not in these renegades, as such, but rather in their nature, everyday life, subsistence nature or something ... As a neighbor with whom I went for a party yesterday, today she comes to your family and kills, rapes your children in the gas chamber stealing ... hi
        1. gorenina91
          gorenina91 11 September 2019 10: 31 New
          0
          -Yes, you write about carelessness ... -That Russia is not lucky with this carelessness ... -This is just fatality and historical rock ...
          1. KVU-NSVD
            KVU-NSVD 11 September 2019 10: 43 New
            +1
            I did not write about any carelessness and did not understand your passage at all.
            1. gorenina91
              gorenina91 11 September 2019 18: 53 New
              0
              -If you have a family (wife, children and other relatives), then you need to take care of the well-being and safety of these in advance ... -Everyone walks on holidays, but a neighbor with his intentions may not come to everyone ... -What is not clear? ??
        2. vladcub
          vladcub 11 September 2019 13: 06 New
          +4
          He will say: "nothing personal, just such a service. Regarding the conscience, the Führer said that:" conscience is a chimera "
        3. naidas
          naidas 11 September 2019 20: 26 New
          +1
          Quote: KVU-NSVD
          but rather their nature, everyday life, subsistence essence

          Very simple, choose yourself for fertilizer or you others.
        4. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 11 September 2019 21: 58 New
          +1
          Quote: KVU-NSVD
          As a neighbor with whom he walked yesterday at a holiday, today he comes to your family and kills, rapes, drives your children into the gas chamber ..

          Easy .. Now just let me kill and rob, punishment will not follow, they will also encourage, reward and give money! ... Presented? So I imagined ... Envy, resentment, redneck ... Just human meanness ..
          1. vladcub
            vladcub 12 September 2019 21: 15 New
            +2
            Alas, there are many hidden bastards to whom only give a hint and they will smash everything and everything
        5. Akuzenka
          Akuzenka 12 September 2019 22: 57 New
          +1
          Oh, colleague !!! This is capitalism. "You die today, and I tomorrow!" Since u have a lesson. One must have a core in order to rise above the animal instincts that advance under capitalism. They could not or did not want to. The result is one - the Nazis and traitors. So everywhere and at all, under capitalism. It’s easier to live in animals.
    2. akunin
      akunin 11 September 2019 14: 45 New
      +2
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      Frankly, I hear about the Jewish police in the ghetto for the first time

      the film "pianist" with Adrian Brody.
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  3. Amurets
    Amurets 11 September 2019 06: 54 New
    +2
    In fact, hundreds of thousands of Poles fought in the Wehrmacht, the SS and the police on the side of the Third Reich.
    But Hitler did not plan to attract the Poles to his side. So the Poles were hoping in vain. It was just a necessary measure.
    War plan with Poland
    Claims to Poland were part of the overall strategic orientation of the German aggressor. On April 11, 1939, Hitler approved the "Directive on the preparation of the Wehrmacht for war." Its component was the Weiss plan, the invasion plan for Poland “at any time, starting from September 1, 1939”. Back in May of that year, at a secret meeting, Hitler said: “The main direction is the conquest of living space in the East. Therefore, there can be no question of sparing Poland. ” Kirsanov. ON THE. "Who helped Hitler? Europe in the war against the Soviet Union"
  4. Olgovich
    Olgovich 11 September 2019 06: 57 New
    -4
    For a long time, historians spoke only about the service of the Poles in the armies that fought against Nazi Germany, including Polish formations on the territory of the USSR. This was largely due to the creation of socialist Poland (when behind the scenes it was decided to forget about the sins of pre-war Poland) and the historical concept, from which it followed that Poles were exclusively victims of Nazi Germany.

    History has shown how much this was the BIGGEST decision: the "victim" naturally turned into an accuser "... his liberator of the USSR, and the trump cards were given to them ... by his leaders themselves. And one more said:"Russians have many SINS before Poland. Sovestkoe Prospect seeks to correct them " belay

    Now Russia is telling the truth about Poland and its politics before WWII, but time is lost, stereotypes have developed and few people now perceive it.
    "Road spoon to dinner."

    And if we recall that the USSR REFERREDLY invested hundreds of billions of dollars in post-war Poland, ruthlessly taking them from its country destroyed by a terrible war, the situation looks generally absurd: they have whitewashed their eternal ENEMY, strengthened it with territories, and all this ... more and behind theirmoney! belay
    1. apro
      apro 11 September 2019 15: 17 New
      +7
      As you know, respected Poland was part of RI for 100 years. And over these years, Russian-German emirators could not or did not want to integrate Poland. They gave them privileges that they did not have with their kings. And the logical result of the uprising and constant separatism. Why so ?
      Judging the actions of IVS Stalin by the results of the actions of others is not correct. It is good to be a smart hind mind.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 12 September 2019 08: 48 New
        -3
        Quote: apro
        As you know, respected Poland was part of the ri 100 years.and

        belay
        Bigger and much more.
        Quote: apro
        and these years, Russian-German ampirators could not or did not want to integrate Poland. They gave such privileges that they did not have with their kings

        And what are the ... privileges, list.
        Quote: apro
        could not or did not want to integrate Poland

        They did the maximum possible. Have you forgotten that Poland is tens of millions of people? HOW to integrate them more? Tell me!
        Quote: apro
        Judge the actions of IVStalin on the basis of the actions of others. Not correct

        What is it .... "other"? belay
        It is about 1945 and later.

        Not for this they laid the lives of 600 of our soldiers in Poland in order to increase the territory of this eternal enemy and put it on the neck of Russia for decades. And feed her hundreds of billions of dollars at your own expense! They needed Russia, and more.

        The result is not visible? And this is a powerful, strong ENEMY, nourished and created .... by the USSR itself,

        This is how it was necessary not to know the story in order to do so?

        PS By the way, do you yourself approve of the transfer of vast territories to Poland and the gratuitous investment of billions of our dollars there?
        Russians are guilty before Poland, right? fool
        1. apro
          apro 12 September 2019 12: 07 New
          -1
          It’s clear ... you can’t say for ampirators ... but you can teach IVStalin ...
          Strange you are Olgovich ...
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 12 September 2019 12: 42 New
            -3
            Quote: apro
            It’s clear ... you can’t say for ampirators ..

            What is not said? More specific!
            Quote: apro
            .and IVStalin can teach ...

            HISTORY teaches
            Quote: apro
            Strange you are Olgovich ...

            Strange you, Oleg: NOT ONE of the question-answer do you have! request

            Let me remind them ONCE AGAIN:
            You yourself
            - approve of the transfer of vast territories to Poland?
            - free investment of billions of our dollars there?
            - The Russians are guilty before Poland, right?
            1. apro
              apro 12 September 2019 12: 52 New
              0
              Whose territories?
              What kind of gratuitous?
              Russian yes. Soviet no.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 12 September 2019 13: 05 New
                -4
                Quote: apro
                Whose territories?

                German, surely. Which OURS conquered. And not to give the Poles.
                Quote: apro
                What kind of gratuitous?

                OUR billion dollars, which was so lacking in OUR country destroyed by the war.
                Quote: apro
                Russian yes. Soviet no.

                What are the Russians to blame?
                List: 1,2,3 .....
                Quote: apro
                .Soviet no.

                Soviet Poles more imputed than Russian. However, like everyone else imputed
                .
                And -lot more: we carefully read all the Balts, Finns, Romanians, Hungarians, Bulgarians, etc., etc.

                Soviet SS-the most mysterious people on the planet: it never happened, flashed for a short time and again it is gone, as it was not: we read the census ....
                1. apro
                  apro 12 September 2019 13: 45 New
                  -3
                  And what do you Russians have to do with Germany? And they weren’t recaptured.
                  It’s strange to hear from the whites that the USSR is your country. And where do the white people have so many billions from? And the Soviet government’s decision in this direction was correct. To help the ally of socialist Poland with whom it was planned to confront the West.
                  Why was the capture of Poland? This alone is enough.
                  Now you can blame the Soviet. There is no one to answer them. There is nothing. And now there is no need.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 13 September 2019 07: 06 New
                    0
                    Quote: apro
                    And what do you Russians have to do with Germany? And they weren’t recaptured.

                    ONCE AGAIN: not to strengthen the ENEMY of Poland our fought. Soviet 60% consisted of RUSSIANS, remember this. This is also recorded by the censuses of the same USSR.
                    Quote: apro
                    It’s strange to hear from whites that the USSR is your country. And where do whites have so many billions from?

                    You just notice that a few decades of the USSR is only small episode в MILLENNIUM Stories Russia and its wealth were before you and there are AFTER you.
                    Your foreign tourists from Switzerland did not bring them and did not invest their own. Here the people after the foreign tourists, yes, there are few left: instead of a young, fast-growing, full of strength people of 1917, you left in 1991 an aging, dying tired people, in just 70 years!
                    Quote: apro
                    and the decision of the Soviet government in this direction were faithful.help the ally of socialist Poland with whom it was planned to confront the west.
                    belay
                    Do you want to look out the window? WHERE are these “right” decisions ?! Result of them-strong ENEMY Russia created for our money and for our blood.
                    Quote: apro
                    Why was the capture of Poland? This alone is enough.

                    The eternal ENEMY was. It was correctly done, as History has shown.
                    Quote: apro
                    Now you can blame the Soviet.ekomu.nechem.a now and no reason.

                    Here is another result of "success"
                    1. apro
                      apro 13 September 2019 08: 21 New
                      0
                      The Soviets fought for peace. If something happened. And thanks to them, there was peace in Europe for 40 years. And the enemy was one world capital without nationality. And Poland was not considered the enemy and there were reasons for it. Now Russia and Poland are capitalist countries and there is peace between them and should not be. Money rule.
                      Soviet is not a nationality. And Russian is not the navel of the earth.
                      In 1917, the Soviets received a crumbling territory, waging unnecessary war and an internal mess of the ruins of the economy. They left 2 economies in the world. And today, the Russian government. Russian society is a degradant of nothing.
                      Even the most successful enterprise can be stymied by putting personal enrichment and megalomania at the forefront.
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 13 September 2019 09: 06 New
                        -1
                        Quote: apro
                        The Soviet fought for peace. If that. And thanks to them 40 years in Europe was peace.

                        Yes. For after WWII the USSR took part in the device of the world.
                        And after the PMV, I did not participate in this because of Brest (dedication). The result of this is WWII.
                        Quote: apro
                        the enemy was one world capital

                        Speeches of the USSR to the UN, in Helsinki, NO WORDS about this "enemy" do not speak belay
                        Quote: apro
                        NDP was not considered an enemy and there were reasons

                        "grounds" were only in parallel world leaders VKPBE, and in REALITY, as soon as the grip loosened, the wild HATE of Poland and other social "friends" burst out IMMEDIATELY. And still. As it was always. For this, it was just necessary to know the HISTORY,
                        Quote: apro
                        Russians are not the navel of the earth

                        No navel, yes. But RUSSIA would not exist without them, as well as Victory!
                        Quote: apro
                        Soviet got in 1917, a collapsing territory. leading an unnecessary war and an internal mess of the ruins of the economy

                        1. Captured in the most vile way.
                        2. ALL independence is only AFTER the Thief and on the basis of ITS decisions.
                        3. In 1917, the economy only stopped (in 1916 it was still growing), and collapsed, after a blunt hand, never before working lobsters
                        Quote: apro
                        and left 2 economies in the world.

                        The “2nd” economy was not able to provide for cowards / socks of citizens, could not withstand the burden of its own obligations to society and-it self-disintegrated.
                        It's just a fact
                        2 economy - NOT falling apart
                        Quote: apro
                        Today, Russian power. Russian society is a degradant of nothing capable.

                        If you give freedom to the decrepit old man, in his declining years of age, and the best tools of labor, he will not do much: all his strength and youth are already ruined.
                        Your "successful" leaders left in 1991 aging, dying out, tired people- in just 70 years! It is a fact.
                      2. apro
                        apro 13 September 2019 09: 37 New
                        0
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        If you give freedom to the decrepit old man, in his declining years of age, and the best tools of labor, he will not do much: all his strength and youth are already ruined.
                        Your "successful" leaders left in 1991 an aging, dying, tired people, in just 70 years! It is a fact.

                        There have been no communists in power for more than 30 years. If you count since 1985. Where is the prosperity of Russia? And if you say that during the years of Soviet power, Russians were tired and decrepit, then why freedom of enterprise. Free travel abroad. Free market and net profit did not revive Russian. Or all bury Russian? Then why this verbiage?
                      3. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 13 September 2019 10: 02 New
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                        Quote: apro
                        There have been no communists in power for more than 30 years. If you count from 1985. Where is the heyday of Russia? And if you say that during the years of Soviet power, Russians are tired and decrepit

                        they themselves weren’t tired and decrepit, but THEIR were tired and decrepit with stupid, free, exhausting jerks "Give!" .
                        Quote: apro
                        then why freedom of enterprise. free travel abroad. freedom of the market and net profit did not revive the Russians. Or do we bury all Russians?


                        Your 70 years TREATED people to work (including the physical destruction of those who want to work). And to wean is much easier than to LEARN. Plus aging people ....

                        But Russia is alive. Despite the fact that yours led her almost to death in 1991. (and it is WITHOUT WAR, cataclysms, sabotage).

                        Russia studies, builds, returns stolen by the Bolsheviks-hard (given the legacy), with errors, but going forward
                      4. apro
                        apro 13 September 2019 12: 04 New
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                        Quote: Olgovich
                        But Russia is alive. Despite the fact that yours led her almost to death in 1991. (and it is WITHOUT WAR, cataclysms, sabotage).

                        Yes .... there are no words ... but what’s this vpezhnik for demography? The people are dying. As a result of your return, the territory of Russia suffered greater losses than during the Nazi invasion ...
                        The Communists stole? And where did they hide the money? Into industry. Into education. Into health care that yours rapturously destroy.
                        The territory of Russia goes into the abyss. And yours are leading it under the slogans of the market. Profit in your pocket.
                        Ours made people's lives better. Yes, and forced to work and taught to work. but not stupid give. today your general sense of honest work killed.
                      5. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 13 September 2019 12: 44 New
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                        Quote: apro
                        Yes .... there are no words ... but what’s this vpezhnik for demography? The people are dying.

                        Your- brought the Russian people to the Russian CROSS, if not in the know. This is their "achievement" for 70 years and most importantly.
                        There is nothing more important than people, the PEOPLE of the country.
                        Quote: apro
                        As a result of your return, the territory of Russia suffered greater losses than during the Nazi invasion ...

                        Sclerosis? Ignorance?
                        The borders of today's Russia of the 17th century were created by YOU. Russia decreased from from 1917 to 1940, with speed MINUS 10 Crimea per year.

                        The results of YOUR reign:
                        - 200 000 000 more abortions than WORLDWIDE taken together in those years (the first in the world and started, because food could not provide)
                        -13,5 million starvation deaths! And this is in the 20th century, in the center of EUROPE! - (nowhere else in the WORLD there was such a thing!) -
                        - "from happiness", apparently, stopped giving birth, by 1964, DEPARTMENT,
                        Quote: apro
                        The Communists stole? And where did they hide the money? Into industry. Into education. Into health care that yours rapturously destroy.

                        And how did people WORLDWIDE WITHOUT the Communists survive, create everything, study, and heal? belay request And, interestingly, BEFORE they lived, and AFTER them, live? And are you happy?
                        Quote: apro
                        Territory россии goes into the abyss. and yours are leading it under the slogans of the market. profit is in your pocket.

                        The Gap Abyss is 1991 cm. The story.
                        Quote: apro
                        Ours made the lives of people better. yes and forced to work and taught to work. but not stupid give. today your general sense of honest work killed

                        Those tens of millions who died of hunger and unborn, WHAT did you do better, huh? Or do you think that since you and your family are alive, then the life of the country has been a success?
                        And it does not occur to you that MILLIONS of Ivanovo, Petrov, and Sidor families, which simply did not come into existence, also had the right to life and are just as necessary for the country?
                        Quote: apro
                        and forced to work and taught to work. but not stupid give

                        Who taught? Those parasitic parasites who themselves weren’t able to do anything and have never worked anywhere in their life (Lenin, Ina, Ioffe, Trotsky, etc. apfelbaums)?belay lol Oh, laugh!
                        Quote: apro
                        .today your general sense of working honestly was killed.

                        Today specialist -work -MORE and decent payment. I'm talking about my construction industry
                      6. apro
                        apro 13 September 2019 13: 05 New
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                        And what’s not a billion? Write more the screen will endure everything. I haven’t seen extinct cities and villages .. in modern times.
                        The builder himself. The branch is bent.
                        The Communists rebuilt the industry in 30 years. Won the war, restored what was destroyed. What did yours do in 30 years?
                        The work of the sea? What planet do you live on?
                      7. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 13 September 2019 13: 30 New
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                        Quote: apro
                        Why not a billion? write

                        And the fact that I write only the FACTS. Are you able to refute them with anything other than an empty CHAT (such as what)? No? So what's up?
                        Quote: apro
                        see the extinct cities and villages did not see .. in modern times.

                        Saw: by 1985 only in one BLACK EARTH stood Half a million dwellings, 60 villages have died . This is just a fact.
                        Year - see or blind?
                        Quote: apro
                        The builder himself. The branch is bent.

                        "Bent" yes:
                        RSFSR 1990 -62 million m2 of housing
                        RF 2017 -... 80 million m
                        Just a fact
                        Quote: apro
                        Communists rebuild industry over 30 years

                        1. Do not have a DESTROY.
                        2. The same results would be WITHOUT them: see the development trend of RUSSIA before WWII
                        Quote: apro
                        . Won the war

                        1. And what about the Fatherland War of 1812? belay
                        And the battle on Lake Peipsi, huh? And Kulikovskaya? No? But what about ... without them, then?
                        RUSSIAN PEOPLE won, remember! Won, just like WWII,

                        2. The Communists were already ..... 7 (seven)% of the army. They won the war, i.e. -NON-PARTY.
                        Quote: apro
                        restored destroyed

                        PEOPLE rebuilt, PARTYLESS basically.
                        Quote: apro
                        What have yours done in 30 years?

                        RUSSIA saved. Which is yours. by their stupidity and inability, they destroyed it for 70 years and nearly destroyed it.

                        Russia is alive and this is IMPORTANT.
                        Russia studies, builds, returns stolen by the Bolsheviks-hard (given the legacy), with errors, but goes ahead
                      8. apro
                        apro 13 September 2019 14: 05 New
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                        The population of the RSFSR 1991 147 Russia today 146 where are millions of people? Why failure? Why there is no natural growth? Why did you kill millions? Do you think to answer for this?
                        That is, the Communists destroyed the Stalingrad tractor. Gorky automobile. Dneproges and thousands of similar enterprises to build them? And then after the war to restore? That is, did you build an ampiator before the revolution? What galaxy did you come from? There are no words .. generally it’s normal for whites ..
                        That is, people organized themselves. I set up factories of schools of vocational schools institutes and made tanks for aircraft guns and go to Berlin? I have never seen such a thing in my life. Maybe you have a parallel vision with which I congratulate you.
                        Wow ... saved Russia ... well, well
                      9. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 13 September 2019 14: 39 New
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                        Quote: apro
                        The population of the RSFSR 1991 147 Russia today 146 where are millions of people? Why failure?

                        SAME number, don’t you see? WHAT are millions?
                        Quote: apro
                        why there is no natural growth?

                        WHAT is the growth after ... the Russian Cross? Where did he come from: from the terribly AGING late 1980s population, where is the youth anything? WHO will give birth, eh?

                        Youth something your- translated, do not forget! We are looking at the age pyramid of the population by 1990, there are more and more old people, less and less children.
                        Quote: apro
                        That is, the Communists destroyed the Stalingrad tractor. Gorky automobile. Dneproges and thousands of similar venturesth to build them?

                        That is, they destroyed the entire economy of Russia in 1917g, which then only revived 10-12 years, NOTHING CREATING ANYTHING NEW! 10 years, down the drain!

                        THEN they just built the Stalingrad tractor. Gorky automobile. Dneproges

                        And WHO said they ..... not would be built in RI or RR in the 1930s? Is the world frozen?
                        THE WHOLE world was under construction and Russia would be under construction, moreover, its pace was higher.
                        USA these plants areplayfully, built at home, disassembled, transported and built in the USSR.

                        And what other “thousands of such enterprises” are you talking about, WHAT? lol
                        Quote: apro
                        and then after the war to restore?

                        EVERYTHING was restored at home, the same Zap. Germany and - without any communists. How did they manage without them, huh?
                        Quote: apro
                        that is, the ampirator built before the revolution?

                        The Russian PEOPLE built - the country, navy, army, industry and culture.
                        Built after the Thief, but, thanks to yours, with wild and inconceivable victims (yours didn’t think otherwise)
                        Quote: apro
                        That is, the people themselves organized. Set up factories of schools of vocational schools institutes did tanks of aircraft guns and forward to Berlin?

                        Ahhh, so this VKPBeshka - organized the People’s Militia 1812 Mr., drove to Berlin and Paris, built Putilovsky, Sormovsky, Izhevsk factories and thousands of other plants and factories of RUSSIA, the Trans-Siberian Railway, 130 thousand schools, Moscow State University, MVTU and so forth, has produced many millions of rifles, thousands of guns, battleships, tens of thousands of steam locomotives, etc.?! belay lol

                        This is she, in YOUR parallel vision world-DID ALL of this? Maybe she built the USA with her gigantic industry and scientists, Germany, etc.?

                        Or, after all, EVERYTHING in the world somehow WITHOUT HER-cost? BUT?
                        Quote: apro
                        Wow ... saved Russia ... well, well

                        After your “miracle” - reigns with 15 STATES carved on the body of Russia - it was very difficult to do. But survived.
                      10. apro
                        apro 13 September 2019 15: 18 New
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                        More than 30 years have passed again after the Vlasov coup ... where is the growth of population and welfare? Why do you treat your country irresponsibly? Did the Russian cross happen after your power was seized and there is nothing to transfer your sins onto strangers. 40 percent of my class tidied up. During your experiments.
                        You first build and then engage in boltology. Not seriously. Could not do it and you will be happy.
                      11. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 14 September 2019 09: 13 New
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                        Quote: apro
                        Once again, after the Vlasov coup, more than 30 years have passed ... where is the growth of population and welfare?

                        ONCE AGAIN (when will it come?): you young people were transferred, who will give birth? !! And work? !!
                        Quote: apro
                        the Russian cross happened after your power was seized and there is nothing to transfer your sins to strangers

                        Yeah, 91 g is yours, and 92 (the result of dozens of PREVIOUS years) is no longer ..Your.
                        Conscience - have at least a little bit. The cross began in the 1930s, when the STALIN statistics were missing
                        tens of millions of people
                        Quote: apro
                        Yes, 40 percent of my class tidied up. During your experiments.

                        And under the USSR, were they all alive? Yes, this is an achievement ... USSR (not youth)! fool
                        Quote: apro
                        You build first and then do boltology

                        You have broken the ridge of the people with your “construction”, while others have built and remained healthy.
                        Quote: apro
                        not seriously. Could not do it and you will be happy.

                        belay Speak Russian.
                  2. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 13 September 2019 15: 00 New
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                    Quote: apro
                    Wow ... saved Russia ... well, well

                    PS
                    Write the name of the country "Russia"-from BIG LETTER, this is a proper name.

                    You write the name of the country with a small letter on purpose several times already.

                    You are still on Russian resource.
  • Akuzenka
    Akuzenka 12 September 2019 23: 45 New
    +1
    Yes, the Russians are to blame for Poland! I agree. It was necessary not to free this territory. Block from the sea and land and wait ......
  • RUSS
    RUSS 11 September 2019 08: 05 New
    +7
    Hitler did not want war, but the evil Poles attacked the German radio station and then Hitler suffered ..... wassat
  • rocket757
    rocket757 11 September 2019 08: 35 New
    +4
    True, when it breaks out, many along the way and then wrinkles from it !!! However, in the case, after all.
  • kalibr
    kalibr 11 September 2019 08: 59 New
    +2
    Quote: Tatiana
    in sociology,

    Dear Tatyana! Just don’t drag what you don’t know. Sociology has nothing to do with it.
  • Operator
    Operator 11 September 2019 10: 46 New
    +3
    The article does not disclose the issue of the active participation of the Polish police (~ 45 thousand people), formed in the Governor General of the Third Reich, in the search and arrest of Polish Jews for the purpose of deportation to concentration camps, as well as the active assistance of the majority of Poles in this matter.
  • Nestorych
    Nestorych 11 September 2019 11: 12 New
    +1
    Everyone has a dark past in this war!)) The Russian ROA and other nationalities of the USSR have national battalions.
    1. VeteranVSSSR
      VeteranVSSSR 11 September 2019 19: 53 New
      +2
      And you know, I’m never ashamed of Belarusians ....
  • iouris
    iouris 11 September 2019 11: 13 New
    +3
    According to the laws of the Reich, foreigners could not be called up to the Wehrmacht. The Poles, in the Wehrmacht, are (mainly) natives of the regions that became part of Prussia, then Germany during the last partition of Poland (on the initiative of Astro-Hungary and Prussia, and not the Russian Empire). The remaining Poles could only serve the Reich, or fight against the Red Army, i.e. actually fight against the anti-Hitler coalition. Question: why did the British, French and American allies not liberate Poland?
    Jewish police is a separate issue. Goebbels Office for the purpose of propaganda removed a whole film about the "racially inferior! In the Warsaw ghetto, scrupulously fixing the relationship within the" community ".
    The Waffen-SS formations are the first "European army". Now though to form the second.
  • bubalik
    bubalik 11 September 2019 12: 37 New
    +7
    Jewish pogroms in Poland.

    - How so? - almost all of Poland was seething. - We hid the Jews from the Germans, and did not exterminate them and did not give them to the Nazis!

    Mayhem in the village of Edvabne 10.07.1941g.
    First, Jews were killed one by one - with sticks, stones, tortured, their heads chopped off, corpses desecrated. Then the survivors, including women and children, were driven into a barn and burned alive. 1600 victims.
    Poland recognized 340-350 victims.

    In Vonsosha on the streets and in their homes 1200 people were killed, in Shchuchin - 100.

    All summer 1941 leadership was occupied by the Polish police, who could help the Jews, but did not. On the contrary: in Gonyondze she gave the Germans a list of Jews for execution. In Bransk, the German post consisted of three to four people. 800 Jews fled from the city, and only a few dozen survived the war. The remaining Poles were killed in the surrounding forests.

    11 August 1945 in Krakow, a crowd rushed to smash Jewish shops and shops, and went to the synagogue and people. Several people died, but how many are unknown to this day.

    On July 4 1946 in the city of Kielce, Polish soldiers and civilians attacked Jews during the pogrom. During the pogrom, 42 people were killed.

    The Polish government commission that dealt with this issue was forced to admit that during the Second World War the Poles committed war crimes against their Jewish neighbors in at least 24 areas of the country. And, let's not forget that the Polish commission recognized only those cases where the Poles' guilt was proved by all 100%


    - Violence against Jews was the norm. Witnesses talk about gang rape: in houses, in parks, squares, near churches, on the street. No one reacted. A polka from Gonyonds recalled: "Franceszek K. raped young fourteen-year-old Jews, in the courtyard I saw blood with my own eyes." One woman said that her neighbor raped Jews. But she did it as if she saw savagery not in the very fact of violence, but in the fact that they were Jewish: it was worse for her than using the services of prostitutes.

    Descriptions of sadistic scenes from Wonszosz and Kolno appear, where women were forced to run naked along the street. In Gonyondze, the Jews were expelled "graze in the meadow", forcing them to eat grass. Helena A. said that in Raygorod she saw how one Pole “beat glass, and then drove barefoot Jews to bathe in the lake, pushing them with blows of rope”. In Sukhovol, Jews were driven into the river. From the testimony of Jan V., we can find out that "everyone ran to see how these Jews were drowned." The murder was perceived as a spectacle.


    ,,, and there are many such examples.
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 11 September 2019 12: 47 New
    +2
    The purpose of the article is clear and unequivocal - inciting hatred between nations. negative
    1. AAK
      AAK 11 September 2019 13: 10 New
      +4
      I do not agree, while the former brothers in the USSR and the social camp in recent years have not begun to “confuse the Rams” too much, accusing the USSR / Russia of all troubles and making them an absolute evil, this topic has hardly been raised ...
      And the situation is very simple to understand, just a few numbers:
      - the country, the number of people who fought (worked in the military industry) on the side of Germany, the number is against,
      For Poland, in this case, a little differently: 1 - the Polish Army plus the Army of Ludov, 2 - the contingent in the troops of Great Britain, Free France, plus the Army of Craiova, "battalions of cotton", etc., 3 - All that is for Hitler. .. It will immediately become clear, without question ...
    2. zenion
      zenion 11 September 2019 13: 25 New
      +2
      When they didn’t remember it, it was love. But they began to recall not only the Poles - incitement of hatred between nations. But remember about the French and about the Baltic. People need to be warned that they are expected from democratic nations. They used to say - a wolf has got into a herd and doesn’t stop going to the herd until the last one is killed, the wolf needs to be killed, or warned that the wolves cannibals remained cannibals, for example: Ukraine and Bendery.
      1. AAK
        AAK 11 September 2019 16: 25 New
        +4
        Colleague, do not offend the city of Bender, exclusively BANDERING, from Stepan Bandera
    3. Catfish
      Catfish 11 September 2019 13: 25 New
      +2
      Why, Alexey? Is that what is written is untruth? Wasn’t it? After all, if the Poles had behaved differently today, there would have been no need for such articles. Yes, and here no one denies that there were enough Russians there. "Who is without sin, let him throw a stone at me ..." So, it seems?
  • Den717
    Den717 11 September 2019 13: 06 New
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    The participants in the war wrote memories of service in the Anders army, ......, in partisan detachments

    It would be interesting to read the memories of the service in the partisan detachments controlled by the Home Army, how they destroyed and robbed the population occupied by Germans in Lithuania, killed Ukrainians and Belarusians suspected of having links with Soviet partisan detachments, as they themselves collaborated with the Germans. Considering the ubiquitous feasible opposition of the Polish underground to Soviet troops, I think that our leadership did not have much motivation to help this "underground". The Poles “conquered” the whole war, considering the USSR an enemy even more terrible than Germany. Poland before the war was quite a nationalist, anti-Semitic and anti-Soviet state, and its leadership in the person of Beck, Rydz-Smigly and others, dreamed of hosting a parade together with Hitler on Red Square in Moscow. True, before the war itself, in the spring of 1939, England did everything so that Poland would quarrel with Germany. And already in May, at the parade, the people of Poland shouted: “Go! To Berlin!”, And in the summer of 1939, the commander-in-chief of the Polish troops, Marshal Rydz-Smigly, said: “Poland wants a war with Germany, and Germany cannot escape it, even if she wants to.” Due to the repressions of the Poles against the Germans, more than 1938 Germans left Poland in 39–80. The houses of the remaining ones were harnessed; the Germans were beaten by the Poles, including women and children. Well, who else wants to call Poland a victim in World War II? Poland is that she-wolf in sheep's clothing. It is quite similar to Nazi Germany.
    1. naidas
      naidas 11 September 2019 20: 57 New
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      Quote: Den717
      It would be interesting to read the memories of the service in partisan detachments

      And please:
      Until 1943, the Poles did not take any hostile action against the Soviet partisans, and confirms the report of the commander of the partisan detachment that fought in the Braslav district of the Vileyka region, N. I. Petrov:
      “In the area of ​​Augustow Forests there are a large number of Polish defense units of up to 3000 people and operating in several regions of the Western regions. These detachments organized a raid on the town of Pastavy in the Vileyka region, where they destroyed up to 400 Germans and police officers, as well as a number of depots.
      In July 1942, the Germans, with a force of up to 3000 people, launched offensive operations against Polish defense units. The Germans, having lost about 1500 people, retreated.
      The absolute mass of the Polish population of the Vileika oblast is well guerrilla and awaits the arrival of the Red Army. But at the same time, Sikorsky is also interested in the political system after the arrival of the Red Army.
      Radiogram of A. N. Saburov of December 24, 1942: In the Brest forests, Polish partisan detachments often arrange train wrecks, shell them and attack warehouses. Polish organizations have warehouses with weapons, ammunition and artillery.
      The Polish population treats our partisans well. The forester of the Rakityansky district, Sazonsky, turned to our partisans: "Give us leaders, we have weapons and trained people, and we will create partisan units."
      1. Den717
        Den717 11 September 2019 21: 34 New
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        Quote: naidas
        until 1943, the Poles did not take any hostile action against the Soviet partisans,

        "..... From 01.01.1942 to April 1944, out of 185 military operations in the Novogrudok district of the Craiova Army, 102 were carried out against the Germans, 81 (45%) against Soviet partisans. General Tadeusz, characterizing the situation in the Novogrudok district Komarovsky on March 1, 1944, in a report to London, reported: "In the district, self-defense against the hostile Soviet partisans and the Jewish-communist gangs came to the forefront of our work." It sounds not very friendly, you don’t find ... The war was there, " the second Soviet-Polish ". Poles fought in the western regions of Ukraine and Belarus with everything Soviet and Orthodox, right up to the burning of Orthodox priests alive and violence and the killing of their families.
        1. naidas
          naidas 11 September 2019 22: 00 New
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          Quote: Den717
          somehow it doesn’t sound quite friendly, you don’t find

          This is a question for Stalin; he changed his position for the Poles in 1943.
          The turn to the policy of the gradual destruction of the Polish underground and partisans of the Home Army occurred immediately after the Stalingrad victory.
          - On February 1943, the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Belarus sent a closed letter “On military-political tasks of work in the Western regions of Belarus” to the commanders of partisan formations and the leaders of underground party organizations.
          April 18, 1943 the Soviet government broke off diplomatic relations with the Polish government
          -June 10, 1943 Ponomarenko asks Stalin: Please give an indication of what should be our attitude towards these formations
          -Polish formations to decompose from the inside with the help of agents from the "reliable" Poles, destroy command personnel.
          -A "reliable" Poles led by Sigmund Burling June 17, 1943 sent a greeting to Stalin on behalf of the division named after Tadeusz Kosciuszko.
          -The chief of the Central headquarters of the partisan movement proposed taking decisive measures against the Polish detachments, in particular, expanding and deepening the partisan movement and the work of underground anti-fascist organizations, to equip proven partisan reserves with the transfer of 8-10 thousand assault rifles and rifles, and destroying Polish detachments and groups ...
          -This is precisely how the partisans and regular Soviet troops began to act against the units of the Craiova Army - to disarm the personnel and shoot commanders.
          -As a result of a change in Soviet policy towards the Polish Resistance, real battles took place between the Polish and Soviet partisan detachments in Belarus.
          - On November 30, 1943, the commander and commissar of one of the brigades operating in the Vileika region of Western Belarus, Manokhin and Masherov, as reported by Ponomarenko:
          “Given the considerable authority enjoyed by the Polish partisans among the local population in the western part of the region, it is necessary for us to change our behavior with iron firmness ... to decisively stop popular drunkenness and looting among our partisans and thereby strike a blow to the authority of Polish partisans among a significant part of Catholics, so to speak, in a correct and skillful approach to the population ... In relation to the legionnaires and their command, pursue an apparently friendly policy and at the same time prepare such a blow to the Poles that cat which would eliminate not only their armed forces, but also the roots of the deep underground ... To remove their “head” with terror.
          etc. With the arrival of the Red Army in the western regions of Belarus and Ukraine, the units of the Home Army operating there were destroyed or captured. Some of them managed to leave for Poland, where for several years they continued the armed struggle against the communist government of Boleslav Bierut and the Soviet troops.
          1. Den717
            Den717 11 September 2019 22: 04 New
            +2
            Quote: naidas
            This is a question for Stalin; he changed his position for the Poles in 1943.

            Do not confuse cause with effect. These measures of Stalin were a response to the anti-Soviet activities of the Polish underground, which began as early as 1939.
            1. naidas
              naidas 15 September 2019 13: 47 New
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              Quote: Den717
              Do not confuse cause with effect. These measures of Stalin were a response to the anti-Soviet activities of the Polish underground, which began in 1939

              Well, yes, only from June 1941 to 1943 it is weak to give an example of the reprisal of the Polish underground. But the destruction of the leaders of the Polish underground since 1943 is, and even so idiotic, that they remind Poroshenko's statement from the rostrum with a piece of the bus. And the reason for the change in Stalin’s attitude is respectful-geopolitics, to prevent an unfriendly regime in Poland.
              The Lenin-Stalin regime-regime of pragmatists (as the romantics broke them in 1917 and after).
              Here is an example, the creator of the Red Army, declared neither peace nor war, and dismiss the army.
              1. Den717
                Den717 15 September 2019 14: 34 New
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                Quote: naidas
                Well, yes, only from June 1941 to 1943 it is weak to give an example of the reprisal of the Polish underground

                I think it’s better since 1940. The Bialystok - Grodno region. According to German historians, there has been an increase in terrorist activities (executions of civilians, administration workers, officials, police officers, military spacecraft. The number of Polish armed gangs has reached 4000 people. Detection of numerous warehouses with weapons, ammunition (areas of Slonim, Baranavichy). There are cases of border crossing by armed Polish troops from the territories occupied by the Germans. The field for the work of the NKVD is very vast. And success is noticeable. Active assistance in collecting anti-Soviet The Polish underground was provided by local residents of Belarusian and Jewish nationalities, who were most affected by the posadniks and the Polish authorities in the pre-war 20 years. With the beginning of the German occupation of Western Ukraine and Belarus, the Polish underground members who remained from the NKVD cleansing were reinforced by the former landowners and owners who returned with the Germans various real estate, which became the basis for the creation of civil administrations of areas occupied by Germans. Ukrainians and Belarusians were removed from control by denunciations of the Poles in the German security services. The Poles actively went to serve in the police structures created by the Germans to fight the Soviet partisans. The Poles welcomed the service of their fellow tribesmen to the Germans in police structures. Information on this is available in many works of German and Polish historians. The general hatred of the Poles towards the Jews is well illustrated by the massacre in Jedabno. Where ordinary Poles peasants took an active part in the spontaneous massacre of Jews.
                1. naidas
                  naidas 15 September 2019 19: 44 New
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                  Quote: Den717
                  Cases of border crossing by armed Polish troops from territories occupied by Germans are noted. The field for the work of the NKVD is very extensive. And successes are noticeable. Active assistance in collecting the anti-Soviet Polish underground was provided by local residents of Belarusian and Jewish nationalities,
                  Quote: Den717
                  somehow it doesn’t sound quite friendly, you don’t find it.

                  Quote: Den717
                  The general hatred of the Poles towards the Jews is well illustrated by the massacre in Jedabno.

                  The Red Army was also not friendly to the traitors who betrayed the underground. The forces of the London Poles were not comparable with the forces of the Red Army, and they had no need to multiply the number of their enemies. Polish collaborators from those who helped the Germans in the "final solution of the Jewish question" in eastern Polish lands could be involved in the killings of partisans.
                  Crossing the border as I think is new, the Poles have not yet realized that it is no longer Poland and Poland will never be.
                  In general, it was not about the Poles who served with the Germans, but who were against the Germans. It's like instead of partisans to write about the Lokot Republic and the Pskov Old Believers.
                  Yes, even the arrival of Sikorsky in Moscow than explain?
                  In the month of February 1942, a general strike broke out at the Gaynovsky timber processing plant (Brest region), which lasted a whole week. The basic requirements of the workers were: “Bread, food,” on each house, on each pillar, the slogans “Down with Hitler!” and “Help the Sikorsky and Red Army smash Hitler!”, “Long live Sikorsky!”, “Long live Poland!”
                  On May 21, 1943, A. E. Kleschev reported that in the Leninsky district of the Pinsk region, partisans captured six Polish nationalists, headed by the landowner Venetsky, a former officer of the Polish army. In addition to weapons, they allegedly took away "poisonous substance, lists of the local partisan detachment, badge of the Polish border guard received for terrorist acts against Soviet workers". (Like Poroshenko.)
                  November 22, 1943 Ponomarenko Malenkov:
                  One of the most viciously nationalist Polish legions of Lieutenant Kmititsa (300 men) struck up relations with the partisan brigade of Comrade Markov (deputy chairman of the Vileika oblast executive committee), operating in the Vileika region. Comrade Markov arrested the leadership, disarmed the legion, 80 officers and sub-officers, including Kmitits and his headquarters, shot him, disarmed the rest and sent them home, included some in small groups according to their detachments.
                  1. Den717
                    Den717 15 September 2019 20: 24 New
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                    Quote: naidas
                    In general, it was not about the Poles who served with the Germans, but who were against the Germans.

                    I'm talking about the manifestations of AK. And they entered into contractual relations with the Nazis.
                    Quote: naidas
                    The forces of the London Poles were not comparable with the forces of the Red Army, and they had no need to multiply the number of their enemies.

                    Poles of enemies did not multiply, just Soviet Russia (USSR) was considered an enemy even more than Germany.
                    Quote: naidas
                    Yes, even the arrival of Sikorsky in Moscow than explain?

                    Sikorsky was a sober politician, far from a supporter of the USSR, but for his sobriety he was “slapped,” as experts from England and Polish Russophobes believe.
                    Quote: naidas
                    Comrade Markov arrested the leadership, disarmed the legion, 80 officers and sub-officers, including Kmitits and his headquarters, shot him, disarmed the rest

                    Polish partisan detachments, organized by AK officers, fought with Soviet partisans even more than the Germans. They earned a tough attitude towards themselves by actively opposing weapons, transmitting information about people associated with Soviet partisans and other communist organizations to the Germans, and the physical liquidation of the Polish communists. What did you have to take off, kiss the gums? Despite the fact that the hostile line of conduct against the Soviet partisans was dictated by the administrative documents of the Polish government in London and the AK leadership in Warsaw.
                    1. naidas
                      naidas 15 September 2019 20: 29 New
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                      Quote: Den717
                      I'm talking about the manifestations of AK. And they entered into contractual relations with the Nazis.

                      Give examples.
                      Quote: Den717
                      Polish partisan detachments, organized by AK officers, fought with Soviet partisans even more than the Germans.

                      after negotiators such as Comrade Markov, this is natural.
                      Quote: Den717
                      They earned a tough attitude towards themselves by actively opposing weapons, transmitting information about people associated with Soviet partisans and other communist organizations to Germans

                      Give examples.
                      1. Den717
                        Den717 15 September 2019 20: 39 New
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                        Quote: naidas
                        Give examples.

                        Do you upload the archive here? A lot of material. Make a request for Soviet-Polish relations 1939-1945, there will be a lot of recommended literature from our and foreign authors. Get and read. Historical educational program is not my profile. I already told you a lot and gave tips that you can "dig."
                      2. naidas
                        naidas 15 September 2019 21: 29 New
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                        Quote: Den717
                        Do you upload the archive here? A lot of material.

                        They would say so, otherwise you would have examples, orders, reports, but you just had to send you to the archive.
                        Since there are no arguments, then there is no conversation, go to the archive, make requests.
                      3. Den717
                        Den717 16 September 2019 09: 07 New
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                        Quote: naidas
                        Since there are no arguments, then there is no conversation, go to the archive, make requests.

                        You react in vain so offended. I gave you some examples. You are trying to find an excuse for the Poles from these situations. Like they did something under German pressure, then they got confused within the borders. On the net, on the same Wiki, all of this is briefly there. But your reference to additional circumstances of events does not require a short description of events, but rather a detailed analysis with the identification of all related conditions. Taking into account the fact that many events of Soviet-Polish relations do not have judicial decisions stanching the opinion of the guilt of one side or another, much for the inner conviction to be confirmed for yourself, even indirectly. And this means that it is necessary to understand not just a newspaper article, but to read a study of people who dealt with the problem on a professional basis. Maybe even in opposing beliefs. I would recommend reading at least Yakovlev, Motyuk, Glanz, the correspondence of Stalin and Churchill.
                      4. naidas
                        naidas 18 September 2019 17: 34 New
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                        The reaction is normal for you, I just recently finished a discussion with Olgovich about the Kharkov Cheka (Saenko). And just the same, an unsuccessful example of white propaganda and go to the archive, everything is written there.
                        Quote: Den717
                        You are trying to find an excuse for the Poles from these situations.

                        This is nonsense. He tried to prove the pragmatism of the Bolsheviks (he wrote openly), the USSR is not interested after 1943. to support neither the pro-Western government of Poland, nor their supporters. (full of examples and documents).
                        Quote: Den717
                        You are trying to find an excuse for the Poles from these situations. Like they did something under German pressure,

                        Again, nonsense, he just said that German soldiers were present there and the example was unsuccessful. There was more like a thirst for profit in Lithuania, but no matter how politics was (for which some received a term).
                        Quote: Den717
                        Yakovlev, Motyk, Glanz, correspondence of Stalin and Churchill.

                        It is necessary to name the works.
                      5. Den717
                        Den717 18 September 2019 18: 25 New
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                        Quote: naidas
                        He just said that there were German soldiers present and the example was unsuccessful. There was more like a thirst for profit in Lithuania, but no matter how politician. (for which some received a term).

                        You have a very strange logic. In one case, you say that "for refusal it was possible to fill up the list of victims", in another case about the "presence" of German soldiers. Agree - a completely different degree of participation of the Germans - the presence and threat. You said that there is most likely a thirst for profit. I think that with a thirst for profit, they simply rob, take away material values. When burned alive - the thirst for blood of foreigners, which is more like extreme nationalism. I have not heard anything about the "deadlines" received after that ... Regarding the titles of the works. In the years of this and that way of the 70s, it would be excusable to say so, although even then in the libraries by the name of the author it was possible to raise the entire list of what he wrote. Today, in the age of the Internet, this is an indicator, rather, of a lack of interest in the topic or a desire to put the interlocutor in a difficult position. When they want to delve into the subject and show a bit of respect for the interlocutor, the question is posed somewhat differently.
        2. naidas
          naidas 15 September 2019 20: 04 New
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          Quote: Den717
          The general hatred of the Poles towards the Jews is well illustrated by the massacre in Jedabno.

          Not a correct example, the presence of German soldiers, for the refusal it was possible to replenish the list of victims.
          1. Den717
            Den717 15 September 2019 20: 30 New
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            Quote: naidas
            Not a correct example, the presence of German soldiers, for the refusal it was possible to replenish the list of victims.

            Lie, dear, the Germans did not take any part there ...
            1. naidas
              naidas 18 September 2019 18: 46 New
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              Then it’s not me, but the Poles. The Poles investigated this case and gave deadlines to some participants. Israel was informed of the presence of German soldiers and somehow the cries of reprisal subsided.
              Information is available, even probably in WIKI. (This is not a secret).
              1. Den717
                Den717 18 September 2019 19: 13 New
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                Quote: naidas
                The Poles investigated this case and gave deadlines to some participants

                Are you laughing 1600 Jews were killed in 1941, and the investigation was carried out after 2001. Can you name the names of the prisoners? Even after confirming their direct participation in the pogrom, the Poles tried to blame on the “tacit approval” of two Gestapo employees who arrived in a village by taxi ..... And do you present this as a threat to those who would not want to participate in the pogrom? Maybe the “football” was chopped off by the Jewish head. Poles also played under duress. Well, damn it, you give ?!
              2. naidas
                naidas 18 September 2019 19: 57 New
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                Quote: Den717
                1600 Jews were killed in 1941, and the investigation was conducted after 2001.
                However, after almost six decades, historian Jan Tomasz Gross, a Jew, a former Polish citizen who lived in New York at that time, published a book in which he stated that the Germans were almost not involved in this pogrom. Everything was done by the hands of local Poles.

                On July 10, 2013, at the ceremony dedicated to the 72nd anniversary of the massacre in this Polish town, the remains of the victims of the Edvabna pogrom were reburied.
                The reburial was organized by the Polish Institute of National Remembrance and the Museum of World War II. It was attended by the Chief Rabbi of Poland Michael Shudrich, President of the Union of Jewish Communities of Poland Petr Kadlchyk and Yitzhak Levin, who miraculously escaped death during the massacre as a child. The Institute of National Memory considered it overpriced and published the number 340-350 people
                About 1600 is a figure from Israel: at the Institute of National Remembrance in Warsaw they are waiting for documents from Israel (they have been waiting since 2002 and it seems they will not wait), which will help to more accurately establish the number of victims of the tragedy.
                As I understand the Institute of National Remembrance, the rabbi of Poland Michael Shudrich, the president of the Union of Jewish Communities of Poland Petr Kadlczyk and Yitzhak Levin with his 350 people are not reposed.
                Quote: Den717
                The general hatred of the Poles towards the Jews is well illustrated by the massacre in Jedabno.

                I repeat: I think this is nonsense, not hatred, but like Lithuania's thirst for profit (even the original source writes about this), therefore the example is unsuccessful, and even the presence of German soldiers according to Polish data.
                Quote: Den717
                Well, damn it, you give ?!

                read carefully, you sew a policy where there was a thirst for profit:
                Quote: naidas
                Again, nonsense, only said that German soldiers were present there and the example was unsuccessful. There was rather a thirst for profit in Lithuania, but no matter how politics
              3. Den717
                Den717 18 September 2019 20: 06 New
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                Quote: naidas
                you sew a policy where there was a thirst for profit:

                Firstly, this is not just politics, but primitive bloody nationalism in the mentality of Polish society. Secondly, when the Poles handed over to the Germans the fugitive Jews from Sobibor, did they also strive for profit?
              4. naidas
                naidas 18 September 2019 20: 18 New
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                Quote: Den717
                At first

                you are not the source, and in your example, Edwabne, according to your own data about taxis, writes: saying that the pogrom is the work of only the Poles, offended by the cooperation of Jews with the Soviet government, is not entirely justified. Most likely, it was a provocative action organized by the Germans. By the way, about the Polish resistance there, read everything, and not selectively. I hope with historical documents you are not so?
                Which confirms my opinion about profit and the Germans.
            2. Den717
              Den717 18 September 2019 21: 28 New
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              Quote: naidas
              published a book in which he stated that the Germans were almost not involved in this pogrom. Everything was done by the hands of local Poles.

              Did I say something else? Or will you call the Germans the cause of everything again? Judging by
              Which confirms my opinion about profit and the Germans
              are you ready to dismiss the Poles to the last .... On a salary, or what?
              In general, true motives do not fit into only one component. Having killed someone out of a sense of revenge or for other reasons, the European will never leave the liberated property without attention. But what is primary and what is secondary can be judged by indirect indicators. For example, in 1924 in the Polish population there were about 69%, then in 2001 there were already 96% of them. Today, Poland is the most mono-ethnic state in Europe. This suggests that people of other nationalities there, at least, are not "comfortable".
              Quote: naidas
              About 1600 is a figure from Israel: at the Institute of National Remembrance in Warsaw, documents from Israel are awaited (since 2002 they have been waiting and it seems they will not wait)

              If they burned even 100 people, what does it change? Poles became more tolerant and humane to foreigners?
              Quote: naidas
              I think this is nonsense

              Consider .... only with the evidence you do not have.
            3. naidas
              naidas 21 September 2019 16: 41 New
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              Quote: Den717
              are you ready to dismiss the Poles to the last .... On a salary, or what?

              Well, if you read the source, it’s understandable that we went with carts to the slaughterhouse (according to your opinion, for what).
              Yes, and the author, too, excuses the Poles, it seems that your salary is also to blame. Both Germans and Russians are to blame for him. Four other people connected with the NKVD were not ordinary participants in the massacre.
            4. Den717
              Den717 21 September 2019 17: 10 New
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              Quote: naidas
              We went to the slaughter with carts, (according to your why).

              If you carefully read the same Gross, active Polish nationalists from neighboring settlements gathered in the slaughterhouse. The cart, in this case, serves as a sort of passenger vehicle. And then, carefully read the description of the emotional charge of the pogromists. They went to kill, first of all. Robbery was secondary, a sort of bonus. The Germans became guilty of their inaction.
            5. naidas
              naidas 22 September 2019 12: 05 New
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              You can summarize:
              About
              Quote: Den717
              They earned a tough attitude towards themselves by actively opposing weapons, transmitting information about people associated with Soviet partisans and other communist organizations to the Germans, and the physical liquidation of the Polish communists.

              As I understand it, there will be nothing from you other than finding it yourself in the archive. (Until 1943)
              Quote: Den717
              The general hatred of the Poles towards the Jews is well illustrated by the massacre in Jedabno.
              ... At the slaughter, if you carefully read the same Gross, ....
              Well, if you read carefully, then the nationalists of Poland do not feel like a pogrom. The responsibility for hatred is laid by Gross on Stalin and Hitler (last pages). About transport is good, but where is the property then? Yes, and the case of Gross, where a Jew comes to his homeland, and they don’t even want to show him the graves.
              Gross- What was at least of some value, they took away, loading everything on the wagons waiting in front of the house.
              .
              Quote: Den717
              Active Polish nationalists from neighboring settlements came together.
              There is nothing verbally, Gross writes that they went not only to rob, but also to clean up the host witnesses, but not about the nationalists. So, this purposeful action of nationalists from AK is an unsuccessful example. Murder with robbery with the connivance of the authorities is yes.
              Quote: Den717
              Thanks for the tip to Gross. Somehow I ignored him.

              This is from your source, instead of Gross, you preferred to write about football with your head.
    2. naidas
      naidas 18 September 2019 20: 27 New
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      Quote: Den717
      and the investigation was conducted after 2001. Can you name the names of those planted?

      Bullshit, a man who does not know, but asserts:
      on this pogrom: the Lomzhinsky processes of May 1949 and November 1953.
      The following sentences were pronounced: Carol Bardogne was sentenced to death; Jerzy Laudan sentenced to 15 years in prison; Zygmunt Laudansky, Vladislav Michura and Boleslav Ramotovsky to 12 years in prison; Stanislav Zeyer and Cheslav Lipinsky to 10 years; Vladislav Dombrovsky, Felix Tarnatsky, Roman Gursky, Anthony Nebzhidovsky and Jozef Zhiliuk at the age of 8; at the same time, Jozef Hshanovsky, Marjan Zhiliuk, Cheslav Laudansky, Vincents Gositsky, Roman Zavadsky, Jan Zavadsky, Alexander Loyevsky, Franchisek Loyevsky, Eugeniusz Slivecki and Stanislav Selyava were acquitted.
    3. Den717
      Den717 18 September 2019 20: 47 New
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      Quote: naidas
      Lomzhinsky processes in May 1949 and November 1953.

      True, Gross himself says that the investigation was hasty with dubious conclusions. Then, it was another state, the NDP, which in those days was overcoming hatred of Jews, for pogroms were in many parts of Poland in 1945-47, and exclusively on national soil, such as in Kielce (the largest). After the pogrom for several months, over 800 thousand Jews fled from Poland. In order to stir up a million people, widespread oppression is needed. Do not find? Thanks for the tip to Gross. Somehow I ignored him. wink
  • vladcub
    vladcub 11 September 2019 13: 41 New
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    The Hitlerites in Poland, as everywhere, first of all tried to lean on the so-called Volksdeutsche local Germans or semi-Germans, and here is a person by character: decent or a pig.
    As an example, I recalled the old Polish series: “Bet is more than life” and there according to the plot of the film: 2 twin brothers, one enrolled in the Volksdeutsche, and the other took his mother’s name and became: “Vaclav Slovikovsky” an honest Pole. And there have been many similar examples in life.
  • kalibr
    kalibr 11 September 2019 14: 08 New
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    Operator. You have been warned that the site’s policy does not approve of all forms of anti-Semitism. Warned in a good way ...
  • Nadir shah
    Nadir shah 11 September 2019 15: 35 New
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    Quote: Vasily50
    caliber
    Who served Hitler has long been known.
    The fact that the * former *, after the defeat in the CIVIL WAR, sought for themselves patrons and breadwinners anywhere, too, has long been known, including from the * former * themselves. The way these whites waged war against their people was no different from the Nazis. There were concentration camps and executions of villages and mass burnings and robberies. The fact that * the former * then served the Nazis as they were close both in ideology and in practice in relation to RUSSIAN people.
    It is interesting that all the peoples living in Europe served the Nazis. Of the citizens of the Soviet Union in 1941, a little less than a million served the Nazis, including criminals, Balts, Bandera and others .......

    because for the white peasants and workers were neither their own people, nor people in general, rather at the level of livestock, they did not even understand each other, since the upper world spoke French and German. They still believe that if it weren’t for the godless communists and traitors, they would have won the war and lived happily ever after.
  • Nadir shah
    Nadir shah 11 September 2019 15: 36 New
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    Quote: Sea Cat
    About forty years ago, in the journal Foreign Military Review, in the article on the SS units there was a list of SS soldiers by nationality who were captured by us. In the last column it was listed - JEWS, and the quantity was given. Can you imagine Jews in the SS! Just some kind of phantasmagoria. There were very few of them in relation to other nationalities, but they were.

    as Goering used to say: "In my own Luftwaffe, I decide who is Jewish and who is not!" : D In addition, it was most often the half-breeds of the so-called, not pure Jews, they were not even touched.
  • Nadir shah
    Nadir shah 11 September 2019 15: 38 New
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    For a long time, historians spoke only about the service of the Poles in the armies that fought against Nazi Germany, including Polish formations on the territory of the USSR. This was largely due to the creation of socialist Poland (when behind the scenes it was decided to forget about the sins of pre-war Poland) and the historical concept, from which it followed that Poles were exclusively victims of Nazi Germany.

    History has shown how much this was the BIGGEST decision: the "victim" naturally turned into an accuser "... his liberator of the USSR, and the trump cards were given to them ... by his leaders themselves. And one more said:"Russians have many SINS before Poland. Sovestkoe Prospect seeks to correct them " belay

    Now Russia is telling the truth about Poland and its politics before WWII, but time is lost, stereotypes have developed and few people now perceive it.
    "Road spoon to dinner."

    And if we recall that the USSR REFERREDLY invested hundreds of billions of dollars in post-war Poland, ruthlessly taking them from its country destroyed by a terrible war, the situation looks generally absurd: they have whitewashed their eternal ENEMY, strengthened it with territories, and all this ... more and behind theirmoney! belay

    the problem is that then the power in Poland was different, they didn’t think so. Consider current politicians, opponents of the old communist regime.
  • Nadir shah
    Nadir shah 11 September 2019 15: 40 New
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    Quote: apro
    As you know, respected Poland was part of RI for 100 years. And over these years, Russian-German emirators could not or did not want to integrate Poland. They gave them privileges that they did not have with their kings. And the logical result of the uprising and constant separatism. Why so ?
    Judging the actions of IVS Stalin by the results of the actions of others is not correct. It is good to be a smart hind mind.

    well, for the sake of justice, mainly peasants or small-scale feudal lords rebelled, since the big ones had a lot of privileges indeed and they did not want to risk them, and the small ones rebelled everywhere, in the end. But the fact that they could not / did not want to integrate the whole thing is yes.
  • Nadir shah
    Nadir shah 11 September 2019 15: 42 New
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    Quote: Nestorych
    Everyone has a dark past in this war!)) The Russian ROA and other nationalities of the USSR have national battalions.

    ROA - so, just a minor episode. Characters such as Krasnov are much worse - to whom, by the way, a monument was erected in the Kuban. But this was not a small six, he headed the department for managing the occupied eastern territories.
  • Nadir shah
    Nadir shah 11 September 2019 15: 43 New
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    Quote: zenion
    When they didn’t remember it, it was love. But they began to recall not only the Poles - incitement of hatred between nations. But remember about the French and about the Baltic. People need to be warned that they are expected from democratic nations. They used to say - a wolf has got into a herd and doesn’t stop going to the herd until the last one is killed, the wolf needs to be killed, or warned that the wolves cannibals remained cannibals, for example: Ukraine and Bendery.

    Bendery - from the name of the city of Bender, apparently?
  • Russian Central Asian
    Russian Central Asian 11 September 2019 17: 09 New
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    The desire not to offend anyone, pulling skeletons out of the closets into the light of God has played extremely poor service with the USSR, the Russian Federation, and the Russian people themselves, and by the way, continues to play now. Sometimes it seems that the Russians themselves have been blamed for everything. Only Russians in the Russian Federation can be absolutely unpunishedly accused of all terrible crimes, such as occupation, suppression of various freedom-loving national movements from the Baltic states and the Caucasus to Central Asia and Siberia. It was exclusively the Russians who enslaved and suppressed everyone, but how about how allah akbar screamed off their heads in Central Asia and the Caucasus, how they shot in the Baltics in the back, well, about such a shameful thing as the slave trade, it’s indecent to recall such nice local customs. And, most notably, this will continue as long as the Russian people endure all this, One can’t count on leadership in this regard - they are quite happy with this situation.
  • Victor Kuntarev
    Victor Kuntarev 26 October 2019 19: 18 New
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    You missed one important point - Polish ammunition. Cartridges with the stigma of the eagle of Poland said their word on Lenfront.