The dates for the commissioning of the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet cruiser "Moscow"

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ФлР° РіРјР ° РЅ Черноморского fleet Project 1164 Atlant guards missile cruiser Moscow will go to sea in December this year after completing the next phase of repairs carried out at the 13th shipyard in Sevastopol. It is reported by Mil.Press FlotProm with reference to two informed industry sources.

The dates for the commissioning of the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet cruiser "Moscow"




The missile cruiser "Moscow" is planned to be launched at sea in December this year after the full restoration of marching readiness. To date, four gas turbine generators, two gearboxes, a main power plant (GEM) have already been repaired, including the repair of fuel equipment and gas ducts for marching gas turbine engines.

As stated in the management of the GCC, repair and restoration measures are going according to plan and should end by the end of this year, after which the cruiser will enter the next stage of testing. The exact date for the completion of the repair was refused. Note that work on the “Moscow” began in October last year, and in June the 2019 cruiser for the first time after the 2016 year went to sea.

In October, 2018, it was reported that work was begun in Sevastopol to restore the field readiness of the Guards missile cruiser "Moscow" of the 1164 project, the code "Atlant". It was emphasized that the task was to return the ship to the course, there was no talk of modernization. At the same time, USC said they were ready to upgrade the cruiser if there was a desire of the military and technical design. However, in the Northern Design Bureau (SPKB) reported that the Ministry of Defense has no funds for the modernization of the ship and the development of the modernization project will begin, at best, after the 2020 year.

The cruiser "Moscow" was laid on the stocks of the Nikolaev shipbuilding plant named after the 61 communard in the 1976 year as the Slava missile cruiser, is the leading missile in the series of missile cruisers. Launched 27 July 1979 g., Was put into operation in 1983 year. Displacement - 11380 tons. It is equipped with 16 launchers of Vulkan missiles, artillery, air defense systems, torpedo tubes and depth-fire bombs.

The last time the cruiser was at sea from September 2015 of the year to January 2016 of the year in the eastern part of the Mediterranean Sea for air defense from the sea direction of the Russian Hmeimim airbase in Syria.
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  1. +3
    10 September 2019 09: 20
    Are you finished? So that's great. Ships don't go without repairs. And modernization is not a very clear topic. The estimates are very "opaque", and the result is often not predictable wassat
    1. 0
      10 September 2019 15: 56
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      And modernization is such a not very clear topic.

      The modernization of Atlantes is almost useless. It’s easier to build a new one than trying to redo the hull. So, well, at least on the go. It will serve another five to seven years and on needles. But during this time you need to build replacement ships. At least the semblance of destroyers.
  2. +6
    10 September 2019 09: 29
    Oh, hurry, we need more cruisers!
    1. +2
      10 September 2019 10: 28
      Quote: Archivist Vasya
      we need more cruisers!

      what Why do you need them?
      1. +8
        10 September 2019 10: 46
        Quote: Serg65
        Quote: Archivist Vasya
        we need more cruisers!

        what Why do you need them?

        Archivist Vasya wanted to say that we (Russia, because he does not separate himself from Russia) need ships of the XNUMXst rank, capable of suppressing the enemy's fleet, providing anti-aircraft defense and air defense in any area of ​​the World Ocean. This is exactly how in his and my minds the appointment of a naval power is assumed. Today it will simply not be possible to ask some "uncle" to help ensure security in the desired area.
        And judging by the rank - you are a wise man of experience, can you say what kind of ships Russia needs, the Russian fleet? Or are you a hereditary yachtsman?
        1. +1
          10 September 2019 11: 28
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Vasya wanted to say

          You, as I understand it, a lawyer?
          Quote: ROSS 42
          We need ships of rank I, capable of crushing the enemy’s fleet,

          what Suppress the enemy fleet? And how do you see this from your advocate point of view?
          Quote: ROSS 42
          That is how the assignment of the Navy of a sea power is supposed in his and my mind.

          belay Are you by any chance a fan of A. Timokhin?
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Today it will simply not be possible to ask some "uncle" to help ensure security in the desired area.

          what Did it work before?
          Quote: ROSS 42
          And judging by the title, you are a wise man of experience

          Yes, no, a simple farmer, nothing more!
          Quote: ROSS 42
          can you tell what kind of ships Russia needs, the Russian fleet?

          No, well, I can .... at the moment 22350 in the subsequent 22350M with the transformation into a full-fledged destroyer in a compartment with aircraft carriers wink
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Or are you a hereditary yachtsman?

          tractor driver, I, hereditary recourse
          1. +6
            10 September 2019 12: 38
            tractor driver, I, hereditary

            Here lies. He himself said that hereditary Dekhkanin was selling white sheep meat in the market.
            1. +1
              10 September 2019 12: 45
              Quote: Okolotochny
              Here lies.

              How nice that the organs are not asleep!
              Quote: Okolotochny
              Itself said that hereditary Dekhkanin

              recourse Well, yes, a farmer-machine operator with a wide profile ... wink drinks
            2. 0
              10 September 2019 13: 22
              Scale, and you put him on a lie detector.
              By the way, this lie detector can be fooled. A few years ago, I, through good friends, begged to be checked tightly on this detector. I spent it as a little one!
              1. +3
                10 September 2019 13: 38
                Astra, he’ll tell EVERYTHING without a detector!
                1. +1
                  10 September 2019 14: 50
                  recourse I won’t drink so much!
              2. +2
                10 September 2019 13: 40
                Quote: Astra wild
                and you put him on a lie detector.

                belay No need to plant me anywhere, I'll stand on foot!
                1. +3
                  10 September 2019 13: 59
                  Yes, sit and think !!
                  1. +2
                    10 September 2019 14: 01
                    Do not transplant everyone!
                    1. +3
                      10 September 2019 14: 01
                      but not all!
              3. -1
                10 September 2019 20: 20
                Quote: Astra wild
                and you put him on a lie detector.
                By the way, this lie detector can be fooled. A few years ago, I, through good friends, begged to be checked tightly on this detector. I spent it as a little one!

                Oh .... not every detector can be fooled .... In ancient times, there was such a detector (the number was called) that you can’t fool it, but you can’t fool it ... And to find out everything from any poor fellow, it was enough of one kind for decoupling the tongue.
                1. -1
                  10 September 2019 21: 37
                  Are you going to "confess" me with this stake? In this case, you are byaka and radish
            3. +2
              10 September 2019 13: 58
              than he already did not trade
              1. +3
                10 September 2019 14: 01
                I did not sell my homeland!
                1. +1
                  10 September 2019 14: 01
                  pay little ????
                  1. +3
                    10 September 2019 14: 02
                    Dad does not allow!
                    1. +2
                      10 September 2019 14: 34
                      it's holy !! under the visor, sailor !!!
                    2. +1
                      10 September 2019 19: 47
                      https://youtu.be/yPpxfsqVOmU

                      or faith? recourse hi
          2. -3
            10 September 2019 13: 32
            ROSS 42 said everything is right for me, I have nothing to add smile
            1. +2
              10 September 2019 13: 39
              Those. with your opinion you do not really?
              1. -2
                11 September 2019 09: 45
                I don’t have much over time, there was no time to write as extensively as ROSS 42 did.
                And yours, what’s the matter, something doesn’t suit you, any problems?
                Interestingly, for 5 degenerates minus cast what
                1. -1
                  11 September 2019 10: 59
                  Quote: Archivist Vasya
                  What is your business

                  Yes, in principle, then evenly .... approve and support ... your will!
                  Quote: Archivist Vasya
                  some problems?

                  laughing Can you solve my problems?
                  1. 0
                    11 September 2019 14: 18
                    Dismiss This is done by other people, serious and gloomy ....
            2. +4
              10 September 2019 16: 19
              Quote: Archivist Vasya
              ROSS 42 said everything is right for me, I have nothing to add smile

              "Oh Vasya, Vasya." wink Supplement is always needed. smile
            3. +1
              10 September 2019 20: 19
              Quote: Archivist Vasya
              ROSS 42 said everything is right for me, I have nothing to add

              - Where did you get this opinion? After all, he makes terrible nonsense ....
              “Indeed, his tongue works faster than his head.” Therefore, he pronounces something that has never occurred to him. Why not genius ?!
              1. -1
                11 September 2019 09: 50
                And what is wrong? If not a cruiser, then what ships do we need? Just don’t say that aircraft carriers or patrol boats, RTOs ...
                Frigates, destroyers are also needed by themselves, but cruisers will be more spacious.
      2. 0
        10 September 2019 12: 59
        I would venture to suggest that a colleague was going fishing, and a cruiser, so that some would think: to pester or not? Our acquaintance told us: we went fishing with friends, and the locals, under the guise of a fish expedition, took everything away, and then they offered to buy the catch.
      3. +1
        11 September 2019 14: 52
        Quote: Serg65
        Why do you need them?

        and for what purpose are you interested in?
    2. +3
      10 September 2019 11: 11
      the ship is half ready
      the bullet almost hit
      half fried potatoes
      the carrot in your salad is half washed

      Why is this strange news about half the repair?
      the ship is either ready or not, there can be no half.
      there are several examples in history when large and necessary ships in more than 90% readiness did not enter service.
  3. +3
    10 September 2019 09: 32
    We have Atlantes 3 pieces, is it worth it to upgrade ?!

    In my opinion, it is necessary to quickly realize the project 22350M in life.

    And Atlanta, as it is not sad, but already very outdated. Their series is scanty, the need for modernization and its relevance is not obvious.

    If only something is not very cordial.
    1. +4
      10 September 2019 09: 43
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      We have Atlantes 3 pieces, is it worth it to upgrade ?!

      In my opinion, it is necessary to quickly realize the project 22350M in life.

      And Atlanta, as it is not sad, but already very outdated. Their series is scanty, the need for modernization and its relevance is not obvious.

      If only something is not very cordial.

      Yes, the 22350M frigates, although less by 4000 tons of displacement, but in terms of armament .... they were planning to increase some missiles in the UKKS to 48 pieces ... such a serious request and air defense of 100 missiles.
    2. +8
      10 September 2019 10: 37
      And Atlanta, as it is not sad, but already very outdated. Their series is scanty, the need for modernization and its relevance is not obvious.

      What is outdated there?
      Instead of these 16 missiles, you can cram 4 containers with Gauges per cell instead of the Vulcan missile, modify air defense, electronics, change engines - and another 40 years is enough for the cruiser.
      With straight arms and desire, from this platform is still a lot of how to pull.
      Just for comparison, compare the head TAVKR Kiev and TAVKR Admiral Kuznetsov. Here is what you can squeeze with proper modernization.
      1. 0
        10 September 2019 11: 34
        Everything is out of date there. From missile weapons to air defense.

        You can upgrade, only I think it will cost it is not cheap.

        It is better to build new ships pr. 22350M.
      2. 0
        10 September 2019 13: 29
        "change engines" is easy to say, but in practice. The site contained information that without Ukrainian gas turbine engines, our Navy will become when the engine's resource comes out. It is somewhat true that without their gas turbine engine we are in a deep hole
        1. 0
          10 September 2019 14: 35
          changing engines "is easy to say, but in practice. The site had information that without Ukrainian gas turbine engines, our Navy will become when the engine's resource comes out.

          Here is the answer
          https://topwar.ru/162278-v-odk-zajavili-o-sozdanii-linejki-silovyh-ustanovok-na-zamenu-ukrainskim.html
  4. +3
    10 September 2019 09: 48
    Good news, I really want to hope that things will come to modernization and that there will be funds for it ...
    1. 0
      10 September 2019 12: 11
      Of course there are, and this will be even better news!
  5. 0
    10 September 2019 09: 59
    Repair for a trip to the Mediterranean Sea, and then to Zvezdochka for modernization?
  6. +6
    10 September 2019 10: 23
    11380 tons and 16 missiles ... I would like a different proportion ...
    1. +10
      10 September 2019 10: 29
      Xnumx tons and xnumx rockets?
      Приветствуем! hi
      1. +3
        10 September 2019 10: 31
        great Sery !!! hi not somewhere in half
    2. -3
      10 September 2019 10: 52
      Quote: novel xnumx
      11380 tons and 16 missiles ... I would like a different proportion ...

      Dear Carlson! No need to watch TV at night:

      laughing
      1. +3
        10 September 2019 11: 36
        Well, can I do cartoons ?? before bedtime??
    3. 5-9
      0
      10 September 2019 12: 43
      24 tons and 000 missiles, 20 tons and 65 missiles .... there are no other surface carriers in the world SUCH missiles .... VI of an underwater carrier for 000 SUCH missiles can also scare ...
  7. +2
    10 September 2019 10: 23
    Rather, they would have returned to the system, I saw the flagship at the raid in Sevastopol good
  8. -2
    10 September 2019 10: 29
    And when will the PD-50 be raised and put into operation? do not report.
    The Internet resource Flotprom.ru, citing its sources, reported on the prospect of raising the sunken floating dock PD-50. The accident, we recall, occurred in Murmansk on the territory of the 82nd shipyard on October 30, 2018 when the aircraft carrier “Admiral Kuznetsov” that was being repaired was removed from the dock.
    This was a state-of-the-art emergency, since the Russian Navy lost one of the two largest floating docks capable of servicing large-tonnage ships. Moreover, the surviving PD-41 is located in the Far East, where ships of the Northern Fleet, requiring repair, simply cannot be reached.
    Dramatic events developed as follows. During the withdrawal of "Admiral Kuznetsov" from the dock due to the difficult weather conditions, interruptions in electricity began, which were supplied from the shore to the dock. The work of the evacuation pumps ceased, water began to flow uncontrollably into the ballast tanks of the dock. A roll appeared, which gradually increased. This would have been avoided if the diesel generators supplying the pumps began to work. However, in 2015, Rosneft, having acquired the refinery together with PD-50, optimized costs by disbanding the team serving the generators. Accordingly, diesel fuel was deleted from the items of expenditure.
    When the roll reached a critical level, the PD-50 began to sink. One of two dock cranes with a lifting capacity of 50 tons fell on the stern of the aircraft carrier. A hole of 4 × 5 meters was formed. Two people died.
    The crew of "Admiral Kuznetsov" managed to save the ship. And without the screws that had previously been dismantled, he was towed to the 35th shipyard, a branch of Zvyozdochka.
    Doc drowned. And this is a huge loss - both for the Navy and financially. Because to build something similar will have to abroad. Moreover, they may not even take up this matter due to the fact that Russia was imposed sanctions on all sides. And PD-50 refers to military engineering structures. And if they do, then we may not have enough money. Although, if in fairness, Rosneft, which drowned the old, should pay for the construction of a new dock.
    In less than a month, the Russian authorities, traditionally confusing the desired and the real, began to declare that the PD-50 would very soon be lifted from the bottom of the Kola Bay. Because it impedes shipping and the normal operation of the 82nd plant. The most optimistic was the Minister of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov.
    The dock is located at a depth of 40 meters with a 30-degree roll. At the same time, there is a threat of it slipping into a depression 100 meters deep. It has been 10 months since the accident, but it has not yet been fully established how much it can be restored in the event of an ascent. After all, he received a blow in a collision with a rocky bottom.
    At the same time, initial optimism is gradually disappearing.
    1. -4
      10 September 2019 10: 47
      So like meteorologists said that there was no thunderstorm! And power engineers said that there were NO disruptions in the operation of power lines and a cutoff in the supply of electric energy to the plant !!!!
    2. +3
      10 September 2019 10: 53
      According to this information, it turns out that Rosneft has not indirect, but direct participation in the loss of the dock ... What prevents the court from obliging this company to lift and repair the dock? Let them work hard to ensure the country's defense, at least in this matter ... Ehhh ... the hand washes ... the leadership is more important than the dividends, and not the country's defense ... The conscience of the oligarchs and the country's leadership is not hoped ...
      1. +1
        10 September 2019 11: 37
        Rosneft does not belong to the oligarchs, but to a state share of more than 50% !!!

        Rosneft is taxpayer # 1 in Russia, it pays only 4 trillion rubles a year in taxes + more than 50% of the dividends also go to the budget !!!

        Few?
        1. +1
          10 September 2019 13: 41
          I didn’t say that it’s not enough ... but as I understand it, the state should pay 100% to pay for the dock ... but the state didn’t make a decision to reduce staff on the dock, so there are guilty ones .... I urge that the same share of 49% due to private capital in Rosneft and to divide the costs of the rise ... all for garlic to be ....
        2. 0
          10 September 2019 23: 19
          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          Rosneft does not belong to the oligarchs, but to a state share of more than 50% !!!

          Rosneft is taxpayer # 1 in Russia, it pays only 4 trillion rubles a year in taxes + more than 50% of the dividends also go to the budget !!!

          Few?


          the most bonded company in Russia.
          and you don’t agree to whom dividends go? you have a complete list, including the Arab sheikhs hope?
          please provide debts here, will it work?
          otherwise you know whether your pride will suddenly end up in .ope.
          1. 0
            11 September 2019 10: 32
            Dividends go to shareholders, more than 50% to the state, 40% to foreign investors (BP - received TNK for its repurchase and these assets were added to Rosneft at a further 9,9% from Glinkor, an international trader and 9,9 from Qatar) 10 % - in free float.

            Well and most importantly, Rosneft distributes a share of net profit on dividends on average 200-300 billion rubles a year, and Rosneft pays taxes on revenue of 4 trillion a year!

            Compared the amount of dividends and tax deductions?

            And now you can compare this with what Russia received from Rosneft when its assets in the form of Yukos and TNK were in the hands of Khodorkovsky and BP.

            Only under Putin did these assets be returned to state control and partial ownership. And now, Russian citizens can also open a brokerage account to buy shares of both Rosneft and Gazprom and all other companies, now even US shares can be bought through St. Petersburg.
      2. +2
        10 September 2019 13: 50
        Quote: Rostovchanin
        According to this information, it turns out

        It turns out a sketch with a flood. Yes And you, Dmitry, without checking, immediately led off ... Ay-yay ... am laughing Run through Zen - there is such "information" ... fellow
    3. 0
      10 September 2019 11: 16
      Quote: george
      Yes, they may not even take up this matter due to the fact that Russia was imposed sanctions on all sides.

      order the South Koreans - they will be happy to build.
      although we must do the constructions of this class ourselves - there are no super technologies there.
  9. -1
    10 September 2019 11: 13
    Quote: lucul
    Just for comparison, compare the head TAVKR Kiev and TAVKR Admiral Kuznetsov. Here is what you can squeeze with proper modernization.

    and what do you think squeezed?
  10. -5
    10 September 2019 11: 57
    Junk, why spend money on him? After each exit there will be half a year, a year under repair. Radar with antenna posts with mechanical beam scanning is generally the top of archaism.
    1. +1
      10 September 2019 12: 12
      I agree. It is better for Americans to buy Arizona and make it a flagship - that’s what will bring fear!
      1. 0
        10 September 2019 14: 36

        Quote: Dangerous
        I agree. It is better for Americans to buy Arizona and make it a flagship - that’s what will bring fear!

        Wikipedia to help you! Arizona lies at the bottom, a monument ship, a sailors' cemetery. The Americans will not sell it.
  11. +2
    10 September 2019 12: 37
    Quote: Andrey Andreev_4
    Junk, why spend money on him? After each exit there will be half a year, a year under repair. Radar with antenna posts with mechanical beam scanning is generally the top of archaism.

    You say that because you are familiar with radar very superficially.
    Nothing liberates the flight of thought and freedom of creativity as much as the lack of system knowledge about the subject
    1. -3
      10 September 2019 13: 21
      Quote: E.S.
      You say that because you are familiar with radar very superficially.
      Nothing liberates the flight of thought and freedom of creativity as much as the lack of system knowledge about the subject

      Do you want to say: "Americans, Japanese, Europeans, burdocks - Aegis blinded on AFAR"?
  12. -1
    10 September 2019 14: 31
    Quote: Andrey Andreev_4
    Quote: E.S.
    You say that because you are familiar with radar very superficially.
    Nothing liberates the flight of thought and freedom of creativity as much as the lack of system knowledge about the subject

    Do you want to say: "Americans, Japanese, Europeans, burdocks - Aegis blinded on AFAR"?

    Here is the confirmation of my thesis.
    The canons of blind faith in the authority of Americans with IJIS do not completely replace the systemic knowledge of the subject.
    IJIS is designed to solve known problems and has completely understandable shortcomings.
    Air defense ships of the Russian Navy were built and are being built to solve a wider range of tasks, which determines the appearance of the system.
  13. -1
    10 September 2019 14: 46
    Quote: E.S.
    ... The canons of blind faith in the authority of Americans with IJIS do not at all replace the systemic knowledge of the subject.
    IJIS is designed to solve known problems and has completely understandable shortcomings ...

    About what "system knowledge of the subject " are you talking about? And what "understandable shortcomings"you know aegis besides"incomprehensible"?
  14. +3
    10 September 2019 15: 14
    "Such power ... flagship ..."
    To whom and the battleship Potemkin might.
    This power of 1976. His peers - the first episode ticanderogues as targets on the bottom were launched 15 years ago. Not because the bad ones, but because more modern ships appeared.
    Well, in the absence of the best, we rejoice in the small. We can’t divide the ocean with the Yankees (for now), but for the Papuan neighbors this will be more than enough.
  15. 0
    10 September 2019 21: 29
    Well, in Sevastopol they will not be able to carry out modernization in principle (because it will be an expensive region, that is impractical).
    There, the * modernizer himself * must first do the modernization.
    They managed to give a move to the move, and thanks for that. More serious activities should be done at more serious enterprises.
  16. -1
    10 September 2019 22: 48
    Redecorating. Maintenance of gas turbine units and all. For 40 years the ship, it was high time to either write off or upgrade with the overhaul. Not by whom and not by what to do it. Eat up the legacy of a once great country. By the way, it is not clear where this cruiser came from, because the USSR, in addition to rubber galoshes, did not produce anything. Now, really, apart from plundering and destroying natural resources, we are not producing anything. However, dreaming is not a sin, about spaceports, about new tanks and planes, about destroyers and even aircraft carriers. Since there are no scientists, engineers and highly skilled workers left in the country, thieving managers will fulfill their dreams.
  17. +1
    10 September 2019 23: 52
    Eh, I saw this handsome man at the recent parade. Selfie with hashtag # nowhere to retreat! Before me Sevastopol, behind "Moscow"!

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