Will the Nudol knock down the GPS satellite?

Has Russia already won the arms race?

In the comments under my articles, I often see statements by people who are so sure of the miraculous properties of the latest Russian military developments that they are absolutely convinced of the impossibility of an attack on Russia. Therefore, when I touch upon military-economic issues, such people allow themselves ridicule. They, as a rule, cannot be convinced of anything: they have only a tinned throat for all counterarguments.

However, I was always interested in how such a worldview is formed and in what way. And here one of my friends on Facebook gave me the opportunity to satisfy my research curiosity.

It was a short record, I will give it in its entirety (without editing. - Ed.), Because it really perfectly demonstrates the cuisine in which "cheers-patriotism" is cooked:

Russia has tested Nudol - a missile capable of disarming the NATO army. The US government is alarmed by the successful tests of the Russian Nudol rocket, which is capable of destroying absolutely any satellite of a potential rival in Earth’s orbit. American analysts have prepared documents stating that Nudol flew 2000 km in just 15 minutes. Yes, not just flying, but hit the target.
The Pentagon is at a loss, because if these missiles come into service with the Russian army, then several of these missiles will be enough to completely disarm the NATO army. For this, Russia does not need to spend a lot of energy, just shoot down several satellites in orbit of the Earth. After that, the American army will be left without any connection.
The Russian Defense Ministry said that in the near future Nudol will be put into service with the Russian army, and they will only be designed to shoot down satellites that endanger the country. Unlike the United States, Russia has no selfish goals, it just wants to protect itself. Once again, the Russian Federation proves in practice that the second side comes out the winner in the arms race between the US and the Russian Federation.

Miracle rocket

So far, little is known about the new A-235 Nudol rocket due to the fact that this is the latest development to be tested (on 30 on August 2019, a test launch took place at the Sary-Shagan training ground), and therefore its characteristics have not been disclosed.

According to Western estimates, a missile of this type can hit targets in space within a radius of about 1500 km from the start and at an altitude of up to 800 km. Probably, these estimates are close to the truth, since a comparison with existing missiles is usually used to assess the capabilities of new missiles. Even the geometrical dimensions of a rocket can provide some idea of ​​its capabilities. That is, a rocket can destroy a satellite in low Earth orbit.

The propagandists of "cheers-patriotism" rub their hands: since a rocket can bring down something in space, it means that it can be shot down by any satellite. And if it can bring down, then several of these missiles can bring down communication satellites or GPS, the US army will lose communication and navigation. Hooray, the enemy is crushed to dust!

It will not reach satellites

The whole problem, however, is that the communication satellites are in geostationary orbit. For example, the USA-243 satellite, the military communications satellite of the WGS (Wireband Global SATCOM) series, launched in May 2013, is accessing the GSO at an altitude of 35786 km. Satellites of the NAVSTAR system, which supports the GPS system, rotate in circular orbits at an altitude of 20180 km.

Visualization of the orbits of the GPS satellites (on the diagram on the left)

The capabilities of the A-235 will not be enough to deliver a warhead to this orbit sufficient to guarantee the destruction of a rather large communications or navigation satellite. Let's say that to throw 730 kg payload on GSO requires a rocket comparable to the Japanese H-II missile, with a launch weight of 289 tons. “Nudol” is much more modest: according to published data, its starting weight is 9,6 tons. So, “Nudol” will simply not reach the communication and navigation satellites.

A warhead designed to bring down satellites on a GSO should, in fact, be a full-fledged satellite capable of maneuvering in order to carry out maneuvers of approaching a target satellite at a distance at which it can be effectively destroyed by kinetic striking elements. That is, the head part should have orientation engines and fuel supply. Also needed control and navigation devices, a battery for on-board systems. All together - this is 200-300 kg of weight or so. Therefore, the missile for hitting communications and navigation satellites should be larger than Nudol.

The navigation satellite is a fairly large device. GPS-IIF has a mass of 1,6 tons

At least a hundred rockets

This could be the end. However, it is also worth mentioning that as part of the NAVSTAR satellite constellation, there is an 32 satellite, and as part of the WGS, there are 9 satellites and another was launched in March 2019 of the year. In addition, the United States has the previous DSCS satellite communications system, in which several more satellites operate (in 2015 - 7). That is, you need about 20 successful hits in order for the US Army to begin serious problems with satellite communications and navigation.

In addition, the United States and its allies have other satellite auxiliary systems that can act as a substitute for GPS. For example, this is the Japanese QZSS as part of 4 satellites (it is planned to launch three more satellites before 2023), which now acts as a GPS signal correction system in the Western Pacific, but may, according to some information, work autonomously. The Japanese navy is equipped with signal receivers of this system.

So "knock down several satellites" (even in the case of the technical feasibility of this) is far from enough to deprive the enemy of communications and navigation. It will take an order of magnitude more starts and hits. It seems that in order to be able to destroy the enemy’s satellite systems with a certain guarantee (that is, taking into account misses, abnormal detonations and attempts at counteraction), one needs to have at least 100 missiles specially designed for hitting satellites on the GSO on alert duty. Attacking communication and navigation satellites is not as simple an operation as it might seem at first glance. And it’s possible to carry it out precisely not with the Nudol missile, which is intended, apparently, as a missile for intercepting ballistic targets in space, that is, nuclear warheads.

A few words about propaganda

Now back to the cited "cheers-patriotic" propaganda. The reference information now available to everyone and everyone clearly shows that its main components are exaggeration and colorful rhetoric. The exaggerations are very significant and, in general, designed for the public, which, by the level of their knowledge in specific issues, simply will not suspect a trick, will not specify whether it is so or not, and will take a word. Exaggerations cling to exaggerations along the chain: "a rocket can shoot down a satellite," "a rocket can shoot down absolutely any satellite," "rockets will deprive the US of communications and navigation." And all this is framed by appropriate rhetoric. Further, under the influence of such propaganda, this audience will have a reinforced concrete conviction that Russia will divide the United States with just a couple of missile launches, and in general there is no need to worry about anything, victory is in your pocket.

Clash with reality can be shocking and breaking the psyche for them. And on the day of "M" it will be possible to observe a striking picture of the transformation of yesterday's brave "cheers-patriots" into the latest whiners and defeatists.

Comments

[Ezekiel 25-17]

"Noodle" is only one of the components of the system of deterring aggression on the part of the owners of the author of the article, in principle, 2-3 SSBNs on combat alert will be enough to destroy them, and since the SNF of the Russian Federation is much more diverse in its composition, I hasten to assure the author: to spend his 30 pieces of silver will not have time.

[Svarog]

Quote: Ezekiel 25-17

he will not have time to spend his 30 pieces of silver.

It is not correct to accuse a person of treason when the author tries to look at the issue from a different angle. If you look at the economy and internal affairs in general and what is happening around, then you need to speak with caution about successes in the military-industrial complex, especially when not everything is obvious, since this sphere is closed from the layman. There are already obvious things where we can say that we are at the level .. but much is not at all obvious. Let's say their X-37, an obvious thing and one of its purposes, just the elimination of satellites .. Perhaps "Noodle" is good, but it would be nice to demonstrate, shoot down some old satellite and all doubts would be dispelled ..

[Terenin]

Quote: Svarog

Quote: Ezekiel 25-17

he will not have time to spend his 30 pieces of silver.

It is not correct to accuse a person of treason when the author tries to look at the issue from a different angle. ... Let's say their X-37, an obvious thing and one of its purposes, just the elimination of satellites .. Perhaps the "Noodle" is good, but it would be nice to demonstrate, shoot down some old satellite and all doubts would be dispelled ..

Aha
Let’s also discuss the composition of the grouping here, with a detailed number of individual missile defense systems in reserve, under repair, in maintenance ...
As well as the schedule of regulations and the composition of the servicing calculations of the technical base.

[YOUR]

The composition of the group is known and the location of the Nudol complex is also a multichannel missile defense system of the Moscow industrial region.
All this is stipulated in the ABM Treaty. Another thing is its ability, performance characteristics. You will not find any materials about this anywhere or never.

[zloi_dekabr]

The ABM Treaty has sunk into oblivion. Do not smack nonsense, it hurts.

[umah]

It seems to me that A-135 and A-235 have the task of shooting down ICBM blocks, and not shooting at satellites.

[Ezekiel 25-17]

Quote: Svarog

Quote: Ezekiel 25-17

he will not have time to spend his 30 pieces of silver.

It is not correct to accuse a person of treason when the author tries to look at the issue from a different angle. If you look at the economy and internal affairs in general and what is happening around, then you need to speak with caution about successes in the military-industrial complex, especially when not everything is obvious, since this sphere is closed from the layman. There are already obvious things where we can say that we are at the level .. but much is not at all obvious. Let's say their X-37, an obvious thing and one of its purposes, just the elimination of satellites .. Perhaps "Noodle" is good, but it would be nice to demonstrate, shoot down some old satellite and all doubts would be dispelled ..

Firstly, it is absolutely clear that the article is ordered, and secondly, I am generally silent about "Noodle", not in the subject ... I am writing about this, this is one of the components of Russia's strategic nuclear forces, but: "... do not understand ... ".

[YOUR]

The author wrote that the Nudol missile missile would not reach the GPC satellite, but did not write at what altitude they are located, and this is no less than 20 km. The Nudol missile has a different purpose, the fight is not with enemy satellites, but with ballistic missiles, with their warheads. Nudol is a missile defense, not a PKO.

[KrokodilGena]

Quote: Svarog

Perhaps "Noodle" is good, but it would be nice to demonstrate, to shoot down some old satellite and all doubts would be dispelled ..

It is not enough to shoot down "any satellite", it is the navigation and communications that revolve around the earth at distances of 20-40 thousand km.

[Greg Miller]

Quote: Ezekiel 25-17

"Noodle" is only one of the components of the system of deterring aggression on the part of the owners of the author of the article, in principle, 2-3 SSBNs on combat alert will be enough to destroy them, and since the SNF of the Russian Federation is much more diverse in its composition, I hasten to assure the author: to spend his 30 pieces of silver will not have time.

Why are these "2-3 SSBNs and various strategic nuclear forces"? There is a new, much more powerful weapon - airborne temples! And the Tsar-Temple with steps made of captured weapons ... Yes, we will crush these Yankees with one prayer !!!

[210ox]

Gregory. I do not know what we will be fighting-nudole or temples. But that's what they will be with us, or rather they’re already fighting, I know. Thus, they bled and ruined the Union in the late 80s

[Greg Miller]

Dmitriy I can not agree with you ....

[Monster_Fat]

The author, here, who are from the "Mighty Khibiny and the Cowardly Cook" sect, cannot be convinced of the fake of that "victory", and you, about the "miracle of the domestic industry", the "all-conquering" wunderwaffe, "Nudol" gavrikam, its not "all-conquest" .... Useless occupation.

[shonsu]

Chicken legs?

[AnderS]

Thus, they bled and ruined the Union in the late 80s

Do not smack nonsense, it hurts. If the Americans ruined the union, then where were those who were supposed to protect it from collapse, do not tell?

[KrokodilGena]

Quote: 210ox

Thus, they bled and ruined the Union in the late 80s

The collapse of the USSR was a nightmare scenario for Americans, that's why they helped with loans from the mid-80s, after rapprochement of countries. Their concerns concerned the proliferation of nuclear weapons. But the USSR collapsed due to the insanity and idiocy of the Politburo. They would introduce farming, small business and private property in the early 80s, as the Chinese did, would not have come to any collapse, since there would have been no problems with a shortage of clothes, furniture, food, and other little things.

[Ezekiel 25-17]

Even in those years that I still found the author and others like you after writing such articles, they would have a good chance to get Art. 64: "Treason to the Motherland". The article is a typical example of gray pseudo-nauna nonsense aimed at the consciousness of the layman. Your comment is sheer chernogo in the spirit of Ukronazi nonsense.

[wehr]

Now tell the public what did you do from 19 to 21 on August 1991?

[Proxima]

Quote: wehr

Now tell the public what did you do from 19 to 21 on August 1991?

This is wit (from the word "mind") !!!. Smehopanoama nervously smokes on the sidelines! Burn on, dear author!

[wehr]

In the light of his teachings on how to love your homeland, it is very interesting if he went to defend it or hid.

[Proxima]

Quote: Ezekiel 25-17

The strategic nuclear forces of the Russian Federation are much more diverse in composition, then I hasten to assure the author: he will not have time to spend his 30 pieces of silver.

They have mined a man, but he is essentially right. The article is clearly ordered, just according to the manual. A classic of the genre, a man who loves his Fatherland, reads the news about "Nudol" (of course, it is retouched - this is done everywhere) and begins to throw up his cap and bow in front of a portrait of Putin. Of course, he has no brains and critical analysis, this is a cattle-patriot, right? Whether the case the "great technical expert" Leonid Gozman, who has publicly stated that all of Putin's recent statements about Russian military-technical innovations are fiction. He knows better, although if you ask this "expert" ten regular technical questions, he will not answer any of them. The author of the article is the same Gozman. Dmitry Verkhoturov - you either put on your underpants or take off your cross... If your article is in the technical format "Armament", then remove the chapter "A few words about propaganda" from it and do not consider VO readers as mentally underdeveloped. In short, the technical aspect in your article is zero. Cheap demagoguery is up to the neck. Dear Ezekiel - my moral support and do not pay attention to the minuses.

[Kalmar]

Quote: Proxima

They blamed the man, but he is essentially right. The article is clearly custom-made, just by training manual.

Yes, even if it is customized. The article contains facts - do they raise doubts? Do you think that a 10-ton rocket can throw a serious load into geostationary orbit? If this is really so, then to hell with the missile defense / anti-missile defense system, such a miracle rocket is urgently needed at Roscosmos, it will be a sensation on the commercial launch market! SpaceX will go broke, NASA and ESA will fight in line for the right to launch their satellites with Nudols!

[Proxima]

Quote: Kalmar

Yes, even if it’s custom-made. The article contains facts - are they in doubt?

Have you carefully read the article? What is cited from the facts:
According to Western estimates, a missile of this type may hit targets in space within a radius of about 1500 km from the start and at an altitude of up to 800 km. Probably, these estimates are close to the truth, since a comparison with existing missiles is usually used to assess the capabilities of new missiles. Even the geometrical dimensions of a rocket can provide some idea of ​​its capabilities. That is, a rocket can destroy a satellite in near Earth orbit.
Great, everyone agrees, including myself! And then went cheap divorce for people not gifted with consciousness. The author, without referring to any source, writes how this missile strikes communication satellites and what pig joy the cheers of the patriots have about it. Some cheap ranting.

[wehr]

In my opinion, your brains are broken, if you understand the article.

[Sanichsan]

and how do you differ from those "hurray - patriots!" which are you so awarded? you are also "hurray - a patriot!", only from another country Russian "hurray-patriots" shout that "Noodle" will shoot down all the satellites, you howl that "Nud" cannot shoot down anything because it will not fire and in general cannot get anywhere. both stupid propaganda. where is the difference?

[wehr]

I may not be any different, but you subtracted the meaning in the article, the exact opposite of the written and directly stated.
Hence: either broken brains, or deliberate distortion.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: wehr

but you read in the article the meaning directly opposite to what was written and directly declared.

hmmm .. and what is this meaning in your understanding? maybe i missed something?

[wehr]

The author, without referring to any source, writes how this rocket strikes communications satellites and what a pig’s joy the cheers of the patriots

The author writes that the rocket does not affect communication satellites and the joy of the patriots is somewhat unfounded.

[Sanichsan]

but reconnaissance satellites rotate in orbit 500-800km, exactly in the zone of operation of the Noodle.
probably the author is painful to remember this?

[abrakadabre]

The article contains facts - are they in doubt? Do you think that a 10-ton rocket could throw a serious load into geostationary orbit?

The main fact cited in the article that is not in doubt: a false introductory article - that everyone believes that Nudol can bring down communication satellites. It is unclear who these all are and what these all have to do with the armed forces and politics.
From the fact that someone "intellectually gifted" thinks so, who is good or bad? From what more or less official source did the author suck a hint of such a fact? Anyone who has a normal secondary education and common sense, having read the description of the said missile from public sources, will reasonably believe that it is intended for missile defense, and not shoot down satellites in and around the GSO.
That is, the author invented a problem for himself and triumphantly defeated it. Something like this.

[LON]

Quote: Proxima

The article is clearly custom

The author correctly discusses custom-made articles for our jingoistic patriots from the Russian press. "Yuri Borisov named the Nudol anti-satellite complex among the six newest types of Russian weapons, which the West has nothing to answer. Among others, he listed the Sarmat complex, a fifth generation Su fighter -57, T-14 tank on the Armata platform, https://ria.ru/20190119/1549603855.html "According to the TV channel, the tests took place in December 2018. The rocket flew about 3 thousand kilometers and hit the target, reaching it in 17 minutes. As conceived by the creators, the system should have the ability to intercept ballistic missiles, as well as military spacecraft. http://ren.tv/novosti/2019-01-19/v-ssha-zayavili-chto-rossiyskaya-raketa-sistemy-nudol-preodolela-3-tys-km-za-17 "A rocket launched by the Nudol ", Flew over 17 km in 2000 minutes and reached the target. The Pentagon considers Nudol as a missile defense system that could threaten American satellites in orbit" https://www.rbc.ru/politics/19/01/2019/ 5c425b579a794775cbda037f

[T-1000]

Verkhoturov? Is this the wrong freak from the Moscow Feeding Sect?

[KrokodilGena]

Quote: Ezekiel 25-17

in principle, 2-3 SSBNs on combat duty will be enough to destroy them

A few words about propaganda

Now back to the cited "cheers-patriotic" propaganda. The reference information now available to everyone and everyone clearly shows that its main components are exaggeration and colorful rhetoric. The exaggerations are very significant and, in general, designed for the public, which, by the level of their knowledge in specific issues, simply will not suspect a trick, will not specify whether it is so or not, and will take a word. Exaggerations cling to exaggerations along the chain: "a rocket can shoot down a satellite," "a rocket can shoot down absolutely any satellite," "rockets will deprive the US of communications and navigation." And all this is framed by appropriate rhetoric. Further, under the influence of such propaganda, this audience will have a reinforced concrete conviction that Russia will divide the United States with just a couple of missile launches, and in general there is no need to worry about anything, victory is in your pocket.

It is about you and people like you, local colonels and generals, an article.

[kot423]

Too ambitious article. Not knowing the performance characteristics, guessing "on the coffee grounds" about the real purpose (you can throw a few dozen offhand, but I don't want to be like you in fortune-telling), just like "hurray patriots" - you, the author, are no different from them, for excluding the sign (+ or -) in front of your names ...

[Proxima]

Quote: kot423

like "hurray patriots" - you, the author, are no different from them, except for the sign (+ or -) in front of your names ...

[shonsu]

He says everything correctly. There are laws of physics and materials that so far have nothing to replace. By the size of the rocket, one can quite accurately judge its capabilities. For 50 years, they have been driven on protons into space and it is still considered one of the best. By size, knowing the energy of the fuel, one can judge the performance characteristics of the rocket. And the size of the nudol is clearly not enough to bring at least one kilogram of weight into low orbit. According to the ballistic trajectory, it may well rise to a height of 800 km, well, maybe 1000 km maximum. This is not enough. by the way. The United States, China and India have already shot down satellites, but they were satellites in low orbit, about 300 km.

[genius-f]

TTX of the Nudol rocket, like any other, is measured with a tape measure, and even if the error is 2-3 times, then for the defeat of the satellite on the GSO its parameters do not reach 10 times!
No, it’s not bad - it’s different, for other purposes. This is the reason why the author painted in this article, regardless of whether it was ordered or not, who is his HOST and how many silver notebooks he received forgetting to share with you.

[Dmitry Potapov]

The author, and if theoretically, "Nudol" acts as an upper stage, delivering other rockets into orbit that continue to move on according to the principle of "Dagger" and MIG-31?

[Ocelot]

The concept of “multi-printing rocket” is well known, but Nudoli is clearly not enough to put a warhead on the GSO

[shonsu]

Good question. That is, it will turn out already a rocket with two steps. If interested, you can see how the rockets flying into space differ from each other. See that the difference between the heaviest and the lightest is not so great. This is because there are limits on both sides. Lighter than the lightest one simply does not have enough strength to reach the orbit, and the very heavy one simply cannot take it off the ground. Take a look at the topic, everything is simple there. But I don’t want to write much. )))

[E.S.]

And who promised to shoot down satellites on GSO Nudolya ???
This is of course a good way to attribute to the opponent an idiotic thesis and refute it with brilliance, but here it is somehow even without brilliance, for example, an estimate of the required weight to be cast is not clear from where.
And, yes, we saw a picture of an expert turning into a pumpkin on Day 8.8.8. on the example of gr. Felgenhauer, who promised Georgian tanks almost in Volgograd

[Operator]

"Shooting down satellites differently than kinetically is not shielding" (C)

[LON]

Quote: E.S.

And who promised to shoot down satellites on GSO Nudolya ???

Our propaganda. "According to the TV channel, the tests took place in December 2018. The rocket flew about 3 thousand kilometers and hit the target, reaching it in 17 minutes. According to the creators' plan, the system should have the ability to intercept ballistic missiles and military spacecraft. Http: / /ren.tv/novosti/2019-01-19/v-ssha-zayavili-chto-rossiyskaya-raketa-sistemy-nudol-preodolela-3-tys-km-za-17 "a rocket launched by the Nudol system, for 17 minutes flew over 2000 km and reached the goal. The Pentagon views Nudol as a missile defense system that could threaten US satellites in orbit "https://www.rbc.ru/politics/19/01/2019/5c425b579a794775cbda037f

[NEXUS]

The author, not even knowing approximately the technical characteristics of Nudol, talks about some heights, ranges and capabilities of this missile defense. A very strange article ... which warhead will the A-235 carry? What is the principle of intercepting a target? With bcc or thanks to the bullet-in-bullet system? What is actually known in fact about the A-235 really? What is there to talk about?

[shonsu]

He says everything correctly. There are laws of physics and materials that so far have nothing to replace. By the size of the rocket, one can quite accurately judge its capabilities. For 50 years, they have been driven on protons into space and it is still considered one of the best. By size, knowing the energy of the fuel, one can judge the performance characteristics of the rocket. And the size of the nudol is clearly not enough to bring at least one kilogram of weight into low orbit. According to the ballistic trajectory, it may well rise to a height of 800 km, well, maybe 1000 km maximum. This is not enough. by the way. The United States, China and India have already shot down satellites, but they were satellites in low orbit, about 300 km.

[rocket757]

And no one writes only the truth ... EVERYONE is whispering to the fullest both for their own and for strangers!
However, there is more than enough objective information to make a correct assessment of the situation, you just need to include common sense.

[AnderS]

to leave a correct assessment of the situation, you just need to include common sense.

Well, you bent it ... Here people have problems with elementary logic, but you’re talking about some common sense

[rocket757]

Quote: AnderS

Well, you bent it ...

Nothing is impossible, for most, at least. There would be a desire.
Everything can be learned, who is interfering with that?

[AnderS]

Everything can be learned, who is interfering with that?

The fact of the matter is that people for various reasons do not want to study ... Either laziness, then there is no time, then something else ... But the most interesting thing is that this does not prevent them, despite their ignorance, to talk about things, the idea of which they have developed exclusively on the films "Star Wars" and "Alien" ...

[rocket757]

Quote: AnderS

But the most interesting thing is that this does not prevent them, despite their ignorance, to talk about things, the idea of ​​which they had developed exclusively from the films "Star Wars" and "Alien" ...

That is, that is .... however, and quite competent, educated people can carry ... miscellaneous, according to their beliefs! It can be perceived in different ways, but they can convince and prove their ideas very convincingly!
This is our reality and, among other things, a hat with ears will not hurt so that noodles are not hung on the ears!

[telobezumnoe]

I think that faith is to blame ... people don’t want to see the truth because beautiful fairy tales are sweeter .. and it’s better to believe what you like and not pay attention to what does not fit into their worldview

[rocket757]

Quote: telobezumnoe

people don’t want to see the truth because beautiful fairy tales are sweeter

Maybe, but this is only part of the great universal! Moreover, faith is seriously supported by the strength and victories of our people!

[Amateur]

with a target satellite at a distance at which it can be effectively destroyed by kinetic damaging elements.

And why kinetic? And not high-explosive or cumulative?

[Dude]

A land mine in space is, of course, original! ..

[Town Hall]

Quote: Dude

A land mine in space is, of course, original! ..

Cumulative is also not sickly

[Mityay65]

A land mine in space is, of course, original!

The only satellite interception system in the world adopted for armament, IS, made up of maneuvering IS spacecraft with high-explosive fragmentation warheads.
P / S Many years ago I dreamed that one drinking buddy of my kunak saw a man at dawn who, out of the corner of his ear, heard about the trials of some cumulative warhead in space ...

[Dude]

Quote: Mityai65

A land mine in space is, of course, original!

The only satellite interception system in the world adopted for armament, IS, made up of maneuvering IS spacecraft with high-explosive fragmentation warheads.

Shrapnelhigh-explosive, are you watching the difference?

Many years ago I dreamed that one drinking companion of my kunak saw a man at dawn who, out of the corner of his ear, heard about the trials of some cumulative warhead in space ...

Well, it’s probably funny to have such dreams That's just, the substances that cause them, everything, as a selection, adversely affect physical and mental health ...

[AnderS]

And why kinetic? And not high-explosive or cumulative? recourse recourse

Laser, laser ammunition forgotten, positron traction ...

[rocket757]

Any WORKING satellite has external devices, including solar panels, the damage of which can turn it into an inactive piece of everything, everything!
Elementary shrapnel with good kinetic energy! High-explosive fragmentation warhead with detonation at close range or along an intersecting trajectory! The main thing to get.
This is not a tank, there’s no special armor there.

[Mityay65]

This is not a tank, there’s no special armor there.

Warhead ICs are similar to warhead missiles of the corresponding time period ..
And the funny thing is, they are developed by the same people, and they are made in the same workshops.

[rocket757]

Quote: Mityai65

This is not a tank, there’s no special armor there.

Warhead ICs are similar to warhead missiles of the corresponding time period ..
And the funny thing is, they are developed by the same people, and they are made in the same workshops.

Not my topic, I can not say one way or another.

[O. Bender]

I may be mistaken, but the spacecraft on the GSO figuratively hangs in one place. The distance to it, albeit an average of 25000 km, is also not small, but it is essentially motionless, unable to maneuver, such a standing target. What prevents the combat module from delivering to it ? The upper stage, the second stage for working outside the atmosphere, and the third stage are the actual combat module of the killer. To catch and destroy the module is the enemy’s task, which means that the characteristics of the anti-missile should be an order of magnitude higher, which in my opinion is simply not technically feasible, before you chase after the killer of satellites, it is necessary to calculate this killer, to classify it, to make a decision, to launch. And this time, even if it is relatively small 5 ... 10 minutes. but then it’s also necessary to catch up! The only question is whether there really are such anti-geostationary

[Ocelot]

Not 25000, but almost 36000

[O. Bender]

There is no fundamental difference, 20000km or 35000, in any case it is not close

[Vladimir Lenin]

I don’t want to upset you, but in space to get from point A to point B you can’t move in a straight line, only in a parabola. I am not aware of modern technical capabilities, is it possible to move along a hyperbolic trajectory, this requires speeds an order of magnitude higher, but not as straight as possible. And the fact that the object is above your head at an altitude of 35786 km. it seems motionless so you do not forget, you also move in space with respect to it with equal speed or acceleration, forgive me forgets.

[Mityay65]

are there really such anti-geostationary

The deployment of satellite fighters (IS) on Earth is problematic. To fly to the GSO, you need a minimum of a Soyuz-2a, or Flight-3 class rocket, and, accordingly, a spaceport for their launch. At the beginning of 3 MV all space centers will be destroyed, however, as well as mine installations.
Therefore, the IS must be placed in advance, before the start of 3 MB, in the orbits of long-term storage, and disguised as garbage. IPs must provide long-term uptime on standby. At the command of the Earth, to wake up, make an orbital maneuver of the transition to the GSO, and begin to shoot the adversary’s satellites with homing BG ... Something like that.

[Alien From]

And who will give the command ????

[g1washntwn]

"Perimeter" ... or "Skynet", whatever you call them. The meaning is this - at hour X, after confirmation from the defense network, the group of "survey satellites" begins to "inspect" all spacecraft and "space debris" that are not related to their own group. If there is someone to correct the program - the person will participate, no - the "inspectors" will act according to the established algorithms and will automatically clean up the orbits until their own resource is exhausted.

[shonsu]

Firstly, not 25000 but more than 35000. And secondly, they are not motionless. All geostationary satellites maintain their location with the help of ion engines and are quite capable of maneuvering. The truth is not fast.

[mark1]

The author correctly identified the problem of our overestimated expectations - to reach orbital altitudes of 20-40 thousand km from the Earth, what a problem! Well, obviously not "Nudolya" (it's just a missile defense system). Apparently, it is necessary to place dual-purpose satellites in close orbits in advance (with the ability to maneuver). And then on M day when we will

to observe a striking picture of the transformation of yesterday's gallant "hurray-patriots" into the very last whiners and defeatists.

satellites listed, for example, as backup GLONASS, will set in motion and solve the problem, thereby returning the "hurray-patriots" to their natural state.

[shonsu]

Okay, everyone is silent then I will say. The problem of satellites has long been no longer a problem for us. Back in the USSR, we tested a ground-based laser, with a small satellite power, which greatly alarmed the United States. After all, the satellite does not have to be destroyed so that it shatters into pieces. It is enough to simply disable its equipment, and it is very sensitive. The matrix of cameras is easily burned out with a laser, but in general, other systems do not tolerate it very well, especially modern ones, using 7-14 nm technologies. Therefore, on our satellites they use mainly 130 nm. A compromise, and quite fast and more stable. Currently, a giant laser facility is being built in Sarov. It is quite enough to remove all satellites from our geostationary orbit. And those that are not at the GSO sooner or later will still fly over our territory. And besides, we have just jammers. In general, they have been dealing with the problem for a long time. )))

[AnderS]

And those that are not at the GSO sooner or later will still fly over our territory.

Seriously? Thank you, urapatriot, for discovering a new law of celestial mechanics, you are entitled for this only the Nobel Prize. Can you tell me why the geostationary orbit is called geostationary? Probably because the satellites that are on it, wander around the earth as they please and "sooner or later they will still fly over our territory"?

[Mityay65]

a giant laser plant is being built in Sarov

Laser installation (LU) as an anti-satellite weapon has its drawbacks:
1. At the beginning of the war, it will be destroyed first, because gigantic. And most likely before the start of work, because we are not the first to attack.
2. To operate the laser on a satellite in GSO, or simply in high orbit, a multi-pulse mode is required, because It is impossible to direct and keep the beam at a distance of 36 km due to atmospheric fluctuations and spacecraft evasion maneuvers. Accordingly, the work time for each satellite will be, according to my estimates, several tens of minutes. This is a lot, it will take hundreds of hours to destroy 000 objects.
3. For the operation of the satellite laser, the absence of clouds and precipitation is required. Therefore, experimental laser systems were installed in high mountain regions. The laser that you mention, according to rumors, beat from the Pamirs.
4. Very difficult countermeasures.
Based on all of the above, the strategists of the 80s decided to pull the LA into orbit (Pole - Energy).
PS The first time I hear something about such an interesting project, tell me if possible.

[Mihail2019]

So who to argue with? Nudol is ABM, that is, Anti-Missile Defense, not anti-satellite.
The victims of the exam cannot explain the difference between a low, almost circular, and highly elliptical orbit. Astronomy was removed from the school course.
About Kepler’s laws with two focal points of the orbit, who will remember now ?!
And the fact that "Nudol" is sharpened for blocks of ballistic missiles on a downward trajectory - no one will remember about this at all!
And precisely in this is the uniqueness of the rocket - the target is no longer moving according to the laws of celestial mechanics, it is already in the atmosphere, although very discharged! And to catch a target in such conditions is by no means easier than in open space in a highly elliptical orbit ..

[Mantrid]

in order to bring down satellites, the USSR was developing the Energy / Skiff link (the demonstrator was, Pole), this program needs to be reanimated. Although maybe Nudol is it it, or something similar?

[Operator]

"High-altitude thermonuclear explosion" - no, I have not heard.

[telobezumnoe]

So what? Amy will also blind his radars .. in principle, there, like Gazelle, the altitude of 40 km that he gains in a few seconds, undermining the warhead (nuclear) is also possible selection of false targets. perhaps in this modification the missiles will raise the height and make interception more realistic

[Operator]

The high-altitude explosion of a thermonuclear warhead of the 10-megaton class will burn the x-ray and neutrons of the satellite electronics in a radius of 10000 km.

[telobezumnoe]

you underestimate our sun, which constantly bombards these satellites and generally cosmic radiation, as well as protection from radiation and high-energy particles, unfortunately we are not doing well with this, because bourgeois satellites fly longer. and yes, you overestimate the impact of a nuclear explosion) all the more beyond the atmospheric

[Operator]

The neutron flux density from a thermonuclear explosion (affecting electronics) is several orders of magnitude higher than the density of cosmic rays.

Plus an x-ray burning matrix of optoelectronic observation devices.

[telobezumnoe]

yes, only if you studied field theory, you should know how the field intensity changes with distance "maybe the inverse square law will tell you something", this is not a directed coherent beam, I think for a hundred kilometers, even in a vacuum, the radiation intensity will not be much more than usual cosmic background and in general, how do you think the hub looks at the stars if gamma radiation should have killed its matrix for a long time, especially since this is not just a flash, but a constant stream of such particles, the energy of which even the tank did not dream of. and yes, the optical matrix is ​​most sensitive precisely to visible light, for high gamma radiation even a crystal grating is not an obstacle, and you have not wondered why x-rays are taken? because most tissues are transparent for him, and he is not particularly absorbed by them, and the shorter the wavelength, the more photons will pass through the crystal lattice and only some direct collisions can change the energy of atoms, and if we take into account the decrease in the radiation density with distance, then over a hundred kilometers it will turn out to be very low, not to mention your 10 thousand km .. and the damaging factors Yao are very exaggerated by the media

[Operator]

In three-dimensional space, the radiation intensity of a local source decreases in proportion to the cube of distance, of course.

At your leisure, calculate the density of x-rays from a thermonuclear explosion at a distance of 10 million meters, if at a distance of 1 meters it is equal to the density of aluminum.

[telobezumnoe]

Well, you burn)) the density of aluminum is the mass per volume. what is the mass of photons? how can one compare warm with soft? well let there be a specific impulse and rest mass .. even if you take your example, suppose a ball with a radius of a meter of aluminum. it's about 4.19 cubic meters, it's about 11.3 tons of aluminum, a ball with a radius of 10 million is 4.19 by 10 to 21 degrees cubic meters, divide 11.3 tons by this volume, and we get about 2.7 by 10 to the degree of -18 .. kg per cubic meter you imagine how much is a little? Yes, and here about the inverse squares clearly, and where does the cube?

[Operator]

The specific gravity of aluminum is given as an analogue of the pressure force of X-ray photons at the epicenter of a thermonuclear explosion with a radius of 1 meter. Knowing the pressure force of one photon, we can calculate the number of X-ray photons that pass through the surface area of ​​a sphere of radius 10 in 14 degrees meters or through the surface area of ​​the integrated circuit 10x10 cm.

PS I apologize: the surface area of ​​the sphere changes in proportion to the square, and not the cube of the radius.

[wehr]

How much how much?

[kunstkammer]

Confrontation with reality can be shocking and psyche-breaking for them.

What a pessimist you are. Indeed, the very next day, the American working class will raise a proletarian uprising with the slogan: Hands off the world's first free Vekselberg and Abramovich state!
I remember ... passed ...

[Constructor68]

Despite the relevance of the topic of the article, the silly form of its submission by the author is not clear. A kind of attempt with banter with elements of trolling. The author, if he himself belonged to an objectively minded category of citizens, he would understand that the Internet community has long been divided into two approximately equal in number camps: cheers and patriots. Both those and others do not shine with knowledge of the topic, but compensate for this with boiling energy and reciprocal revenue (getting lost in flocks and attacking single opponents). These two camps have been fighting for a long time with their victories and losses) And only a very small part of the audience give more or less balanced estimates.
This is a pragmatic picture. It is a pity that the author forgot about it and climbed into this confrontation.

[Alien From]

Interestingly, this post you attract someone ??

[Constructor68]

Interestingly, this post you attract someone ??

Why should I attract? I expressed my opinion?

[Alien From]

Did you mean "vsepropalschikov" or "hurray patriots"?))))

[Constructor68]

I do not care. The judgment did not concern their positions, but reproached the author that he began to play their games instead of impartial presentation.

[stalki]

In fact, the passage taken by the author is lying around a lot, and begins in many sources with words about American intelligence, which is concerned about the successful testing of this missile and fears the destruction of the US satellites, this is an approximate context, not verbatim. So most likely this is a stuffing and has nothing to do with urapatriots.

[wehr]

But it is propagated precisely by cheers.
If this was done by experts on the psychological war in the Pentagon, then they should pay tribute to the fiction and flair of the audience.

[stalki]

But it is propagated precisely by cheers.
If this was done by experts on the psychological war in the Pentagon, then they should pay tribute to the fiction and flair of the audience.

Yes, but the meaning of the throw-in is clearly not designed for idiots, but for the movement of opinions and the information catch. Everything else is secondary.

[krot]

But it is propagated precisely by cheers.

For me it’s better to be a patriot cheer than a US patriot! ) Or a liberalist in general ..) In the Pentagon, there are specialists for whom you give tribute! And we have so .. quilted jackets huh?)))
We will consider your Pentagon someday)) With their vaunted, but useless even against the Hussite subsonic blanks, Patriots and Ajis))

[Old26]

Quote: Dmitry Potapov

The author, and if theoretically, "Nudol" acts as an upper stage, delivering other rockets into orbit that continue to move on according to the principle of "Dagger" and MIG-31?

Unfortunately not. Well, in-1 "Nudol" is a system MISSILE DEFENSEdesigned entirely for other tasks.
Secondly, the mass-dimensional characteristics of this rocket will hardly make it possible to launch something very heavy into low orbit, which can then be used according to the MIG-DAGGER principle. Even "Proton" with its almost 2 tons of launch weight is capable of throwing a satellite onto the geostationary solely with the help of the upper stage and for a fairly long period of time

Quote: E.S.

And who promised to shoot down satellites on GSO Nudolya ???
This is of course a good way to attribute to the opponent an idiotic thesis and refute it with brilliance, but here it is somehow even without brilliance, for example, an estimate of the required weight to be cast is not clear from where.
And, yes, we saw a picture of an expert turning into a pumpkin on Day 8.8.8. on the example of gr. Felgenhauer, who promised Georgian tanks almost in Volgograd

The most interesting thing, Sergey, I perfectly understand the author of the article and what prompted him to write this article. Itself several times read such opuses, where in all seriousness the question of the possibility of destroying the satellites of the navigation system by "Nudol" was considered. You know how everything happens here. We learned about the real range of "Caliber" - almost dozens of articles about who and where we can hit. And the headlines to match - "Caliber" will sweep the American fleet from the vastness of the oceans "(and the like)." Dagger "appeared - there were hurray-patriotic" articles "that it was a" supervunderwaffe "against which the Americans had no protection. "Vanguard", "Poseidon", "Zircon". And become like a blueprint. The authors of such articles did not even take the trouble to deal with the topic they are writing about. So with "Nudol" the same thing

Quote: NEXUS

The author, not even knowing approximately the technical characteristics of Nudol, talks about some heights, ranges and capabilities of this missile defense. A very strange article ... which warhead will the A-235 carry? What is the principle of intercepting a target? With bcc or thanks to the bullet-in-bullet system? What is actually known in fact about the A-235 really? What is there to talk about?

About performance characteristics "Nudoli", Andrey, can be judged by indirect signs. In particular, about the range. Nobody bothers to apply the empirical formulas of the ratio of the height of the defeat and the range in order to understand what are approximately the characteristics in terms of RANGE and REACH. In addition, it is unlikely that something massively changed in the missile defense launchers of the A-135M system. The whole Internet would be buzzing about this and there would be dozens, if not hundreds of photos. After all, there are photographs of the bases of the same "Peresvetov", but from the anti-missile defense zone - silence. Grave. Therefore, one can indirectly judge about some performance characteristics and about the dimensions of the "product"
What warhead will the A-235 carry? It is difficult to say, but there were a lot of publications, which is not excluded and kinetic interception. Especially on 53T6M products. Nevertheless, nuclear explosions over its own territory, albeit at an altitude and low power, are still not ice, as they say. The principle of interception of goals? And something changes on what the warhead is, well, unless in one case a certain slip is allowed, but in the other case not.
In fact, enough is known about the entire system. And in principle, you can reason. And the author raised the correct question, in the sense of giving us materials about the next system "unparalleled"

Quote: O. Bender

I may be mistaken, but the spacecraft on the GSO figuratively hangs in one place. The distance to it, albeit 25000 km on average, is also not small, but it is essentially motionless, unable to maneuver, such a standing target.

Not figuratively speaking, but in reality they are motionless relative to a point on the surface of the Earth.
The range to them is not an average of 25000 km, but 36000 km. Dimensions Well, still relatively small. Most often, a navigation satellite is a cube with SB panels and antennas. At least two faces of the cube have dimensions up to 3 meters. Not without the possibility of maneuvering. There is an engine and some fuel supply, and there have been cases when such a satellite changed its standing point. But in this case, his orbit is circular, about 20 km

Quote: O. Bender

What prevents delivering a combat module to it? The upper stage, the second stage for working outside the atmosphere, and the third stage are the actual killer combat module.

In principle, nothing interferes. Well, maybe only "convention". Remember what happened in Arbatov when Panikovsky, violating the "convention" instead of Mordovia, invaded the feeding area of ​​Shura Balaganov.
Each of the parties is allocated certain standing points at the geostationary station and an attempt to place something near in-1 will lead to the satellite’s withdrawal, and in-2 will lead to scandal if this is repeated many times

Quote: O. Bender

To catch and destroy the module is the enemy’s task, which means that the characteristics of the anti-missile should be an order of magnitude higher, which, in my opinion, is simply not technically feasible, because before you chase the killer of satellites, you must figure out the killer, te classify it, make a decision, make start.

Technically possible, but very expensive. This will not be a certain anti-missile, but a full-fledged launch vehicle, and I’m afraid that it’s a heavy class. Others may simply not have enough throwing weight. In addition, we and they launch satellites into various orbits. We are most often with an inclination of the order of 40-50 degrees, they are of the order of 30. To overcome this, change the inclination of the orbit and it takes a lot of resources. And detection and classification - this has long been done by all space powers, at least by Russia (USSR) and the USA - is exactly 100%

Quote: O. Bender

And this time, even if relatively small 5 ... 10 min. but then it’s also necessary to catch up! The only question is whether there really are such anti-geostationary

Well, about 10 minutes, I think you’re in a bit of a hurry. Approximately as much will take the launch into orbit. Plus a flight to the desired orbit (not in a straight line). So it’s very, very difficult, practically impossible to shoot down a satellite in high orbits, and even more so at a geostationary ballistic missile. unless pre-deduced killer satellites can be used, but even then, the enemy should not be underestimated

Quote: Mantrid

in order to bring down satellites, the USSR was developing the Energy / Skiff link (the demonstrator was, Pole), this program needs to be reanimated. Although maybe Nudol is it it, or something similar?

In addition to Skif, the USSR also had anti-satellite systems, the so-called. ISs - satellite fighters. It is not yet realistic to revive the Energy-Skif program. The carrying capacity of the carriers will need at least 70-80 tons, which is not yet available, except in the distant future
"Nudol" is not the same, and not even similar. This is a long-range intercept missile. But intercepting warheads, not satellites

Quote: Amateur

with a target satellite at a distance at which it can be effectively destroyed by kinetic damaging elements.

And why kinetic? And not high-explosive or cumulative?

High or cumulative? In space ??? Okay, they would have written another fragmentation warhead, it would be at least understandable, but explosive and cumulative in space - this is not even funny ...

[Mityay65]

High or cumulative? In space ???

The only satellite interception system in the world adopted for armament, IS, made up of maneuvering IS spacecraft with high-explosive fragmentation warheads.

[O. Bender]

No, I wasn’t in a hurry, and the time was 10 minutes, I indicated it as the time needed to make a decision on destruction, that is, BEFORE the launch. And yet, yes, still flying time to the target. And about the violation of the conventions, if the decision to destroy goals, then the dismantling stage is over and landing is already a consequence and not a cause.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Old26

Technically possible, but very expensive. This will not be a certain anti-missile, but a full-fledged launch vehicle, and I’m afraid that it’s a heavy class.

Well, it seems like it’s technically turned out to be much simpler and cheaper to jam or distort the satellite signal at the scene.

Quote: Old26

Each of the parties is allocated certain standing points at the geostationary station and an attempt to place something near in-1 will lead to the satellite’s withdrawal, and in-2 will lead to scandal if this is repeated many times

Duc has recently been such a scandal .. about the Russian satellites for cleaning orbits. the states shouted about the evil Russian satellites dropping from their orbits, and ours denied that they said they were cleaning up the garbage. no exact data. conspiracy theology so far ...

Quote: Old26

We are most often with an inclination of about 40-50 degrees, they are about 30.

I would be very surprised if there is no project for launching containers with striking elements into their orbit. I think they also have a similar project. in a couple of weeks in orbit, debris will fly instead of satellites.

[Aliken]

Good show-offs are also money.

[Gayver]

The capabilities of the A-235 will not be enough to deliver a warhead to this orbit, sufficient to ensure the destruction of a fairly large communications or navigation satellite. For example, a missile comparable to the Japanese H-II missile with a launch weight of 730 tons is required to deliver 289 kg of payload to the GSO. "Nudol" is much more modest: according to published data, its launch weight is 9,6 tons. So "Nudol" will simply not reach the communication and navigation satellites

So I'm wondering how the SM-3 Block IIA with a mass of 1500 kg flies to an altitude of 1500 km and Nudol with a mass of 9,6 tons flies to an altitude of up to 800 km?

[Town Hall]

Quote: Gayver

So I'm wondering how the SM-3 Block IIA with a mass of 1500 kg flies to an altitude of 1500 km

And who told you that the SM-3 flies to an altitude of 1500 km? ... You were brutally deceived ..

[Gayver]

Well, from Wikipedia, who would correct

[Town Hall]

I’m telling you .. they severely deceived. 250/300 km of the SM-3 ceiling. GBI are rising at 1500. And there is almost a dozen tons rocket.

Missile production is carried out by the Boeing Integrated Defense Systems division. A missile is a three-stage solid-fuel carrier, designed to bring into the near-Earth space a kinetic interceptor - the main striking element of the system. The length of the rocket is 16,8 meters, the curb weight is 12,7 tons.

At the first stage of the rocket, the Alliant Tech Orion 50SXLG solid-fuel engine was installed with a thrust of 441 KN, the second - Alliant Tech Orion 50XL with a thrust of up to 153 KN and the third - Alliant Tech Orion 38, with a thrust of 32 KN. The estimated range of the rocket varies depending on the height of the trajectory and ranges from 2000 to 5500 km. Maximum launch height - 2000 km.

[Ocelot]

Quote: Designer 68

The online community has long been divided into two approximately equal in number camps: cheers and patriots. Both those and others do not shine with knowledge of the topic, but compensate for it with boiling energy and a return

You can’t say better

[Radical]

The author of the article - Respect!

[bunta]

Why shoot down satellites if you can disable a control center with one missile. Or send distorting corrective information to satellites?

[Mityay65]

Auto RU Respect and Hyp-Hyp Hurray !!
Do not drop the topic of anti-satellite weapons. 3 MV will be conducted not by tank divisions, not by aircraft carriers and not by armies of stealth.
Strategic weapons will decide everything: nuclear weapons, missile defense and missile defense.
But no one will dare to use nuclear weapons, the missile defense system will accordingly operate on low-orbit satellites (Nudol and S-400 (rumored)), and the main battle will be high in the sky on anti-satellite systems ...
Whoever defeats her and makes the enemy blind and deaf will win 3 MV.
And in the conditions of the geostrategic deadlock in which we are, this is a chance ..

[Yujiko]

Oh, an article with a sober, critical look on this site is good.
And the last time you read (especially comments on articles) - as if you eat sugar candy, they also stuff them in your ears.

[telobezumnoe]

and even constructive criticism terribly minus .. for example, the warrior wow constantly gets

[armata_armata]

Well, the fact that the missile defense was not designed to hit satellites, I think it’s initially clear that they wouldn’t write there, but in fact the A-235 is a system developed in the 80s and its main purpose is to intercept ballistic means of attack, can it destroy the satellites are probably using special warheads with a nuclear charge, maybe some satellites will be able to display in a small radius, but as far as I understand, such tests were not carried out (if corrected)
ps and of course a huge + article, otherwise it has recently turned from an objective VO site into a "hurray-patriotic" portal (yes, the word patriotic is not very applicable here, but the designation of this phenomenon will follow the accepted trends)

[whitepike]

Another duck, sucked from a finger .... not obsessively obsessing everything that ours and praising someone else's. Why don’t you look like everything doesn't fly, doesn't go, but buys the floor of the world. Our military-industrial complex did not when it did not disclose the true performance characteristics of priority types of weapons. So you can guess as much as you want. I do not recommend to far-sighted readers to soberly evaluate such scribblers and not to do not yet comprehensible posts.

[Jurkovs]

The question is so complex that almost any analytics slides into one-sidedness and superficiality. Well, there is no need to simultaneously shoot down all US intelligence satellites. It’s enough to shoot down only those that are above our territory at the time of the missile attack, so that cruise missile aiming systems switch to inertial tracking. And so on throughout the list of threats.

[Spambox]

Quote: Mityai65

P / S Many years ago I dreamed that one drinking companion of my kunak saw a man at dawn who heard from the corner of his ear

Thank you so much, you made my day, ride under the table

[Oleg1]

According to Western estimates, a missile of this type can hit targets in space within a radius of about 1500 km from the start and at an altitude of up to 800 km. Probably, these estimates are close to the truth, since a comparison with existing missiles is usually used to assess the capabilities of new missiles. Even the geometrical dimensions of a rocket can provide some idea of ​​its capabilities. That is, a rocket can destroy a satellite in low Earth orbit.
You don’t need to know anything else about the quality of the author’s analytics ... evaluates the TTX product of which, under the signature of OB, based on data from the brazen Western media, I doubt that even their intelligence knows the TTX of the rocket ...
IMHO full of trash ...

[Zhevlonenko]

In principle, I did not understand why the author wrote the article, this is pure graphomania. I’ll come up with a myth from a series and dispel it myself. Nudol, in principle, was not intended to bring down satellites. It can reach low Earth orbits up to 400 km. And about GPS in general there was no question. Why when there is spoofing.

[KJIETyc]

Was the author born yesterday? Why these naive, unnecessary, obvious opuses? Welcome to 2019, where every sandpiper praises its swamp, its Japanese, its Chinese, its Americans, its Russians, etc. Who needs facts and figures? Students commenting on all this, having difficulty mastering the alphabet? Hiley likes, we will defeat everyone, in America v trust, etc.

[E.S.]

Quote: LON

Quote: E.S.

And who promised to shoot down satellites on GSO Nudolya ???

Our propaganda. "According to the TV channel, the tests took place in December 2018. The rocket flew about 3 thousand kilometers and hit the target, reaching it in 17 minutes. According to the creators' plan, the system should have the ability to intercept ballistic missiles and military spacecraft. Http: / /ren.tv/novosti/2019-01-19/v-ssha-zayavili-chto-rossiyskaya-raketa-sistemy-nudol-preodolela-3-tys-km-za-17 "a rocket launched by the Nudol system, for 17 minutes flew over 2000 km and reached the goal. The Pentagon views Nudol as a missile defense system that could threaten US satellites in orbit "https://www.rbc.ru/politics/19/01/2019/5c425b579a794775cbda037f

And, of course, as I thought, you yourself imagined to shoot down GPS satellites, obviously having forgotten about other satellites.
And, meanwhile, knock out the eye of Ki Holu at an altitude of 300 km Nudoli in the field for forces

[Protos]

Damantsev can move over, and so everyone recognized you!

[Yar_Vyatkin]

What is the article about, I still do not understand? Nudol is a long-range inter-atmospheric interception missile and anti-satellite, too. Against low orbit spacecraft. And Petrel (that RPS that shone under the belly of the MiG-31) - too. And 77H6 from C-500. And a number of other anti-satellite systems, too. For spacecraft in orbits up to the GSO, other means are intended. As for the GPS SNS KA - they do not need to be knocked down either. With them, EW does what it wants. Any weapon has its own goals, the absolute does not exist. And Peresvet, by the way, also

[Mityay65]

With them, EW does what he wants

You greatly overestimate the capabilities of electronic warfare.
In addition, the range of all EW systems is limited, or do you mean the global satellite system for EW? This has not yet been created, although the idea is amusing ...
GPS satellites will have to be beaten, including to bring the national economy of the adversary into a state of stupor without the use of nuclear weapons. This is in the preparatory period before the war. EW does not help here, its action is local.
Calculations show that for partial GPS failure, it is necessary to destroy about 40% of the spacecraft. For guaranteed - 60%.

[meandr51]

A strike on satellites will entail a US nuclear response, as they have already warned. Therefore, you must immediately hit the United States. Then they don’t need GPS either ...

[Mityay65]

you have to hit immediately in the USA

The task is to avoid the exchange of nuclear strikes and convince the enemy to take a step back, rather than start a nuclear war and commit suicide ...
The Yankees are smart and cheerful. If they understand the situation, then we can do without armageddon.

[meandr51]

In this case, single antisatellites will be needed. The massive sudden destruction of the satellite constellation will not work. You can’t hide a mass start. This is a big war.

[Mityay65]

You can’t hide a mass start

As I understand it, the whole trick lies in this - how to advance, long before an hour H, to covertly place ICs in orbits under the guise of garbage, spent steps, idle satellites, etc., and how to mask the beginning of the application.
Well, and, accordingly, do not miss a similar enemy activity.

[Anchonsha]

That's right, the West acts consolidated in space. On the whole, the USA was ahead of us in importance in space, even if the United States can freely and anywhere in the world produce photos. We can do this, but we don’t have that many satellites. And in order to freely talk with the United States in space, you need to launch the same number of military satellites, as well as create a full-fledged GLONASS for the entire globe. So you need to work and work to catch up with NASA

[meandr51]

Nobody thinks to bring down these 100 satellites. Because this is an act of total war, which will entail a nuclear response of the enemy. Therefore, the war will begin with a massive strike by all nuclear weapons, including space nuclear weapons, paralyzing GPS and other radio facilities at the right time. Whoever hits first will have more population and technology left.

[the same doctor]

Will Nudol bring down a satellite ..?
.
To incapacitate a satellite, it is enough to bring a charge of 10 grams to it. Therefore, theoretically, any multi-stage system can do this. Here the question is not to missiles, but to guidance and control systems. In principle, even a MIG-31 rocket weighing a couple of tons can reach a satellite in geostationary orbit. We put 100 kg into orbit, at geostationary 10, 1 kg unit gets to the satellite, 100 grams explode - the Sabbath. It’s even easier for Nudoli, but the Americans, through their agents and grant pumps, will not allow us to develop appropriate technologies.

[Old26]

Quote: also a doctor

In principle, even a MIG-31 rocket weighing a couple of tons can reach a satellite in geostationary orbit. We put 100 kg into orbit, at geostationary 10, 1 kg unit gets to the satellite, 100 grams explode - the Sabbath.

If you brought 100 kg to DOE, then you won’t bring anything from the word at the geostationary station. Not to mention that 100 g of the piece will explode. And what will she do ??? The satellite will scare ???

[Old Man]

even if it demolishes part of the antenna, or slightly "corrects", after which the satellite becomes useless and "frightened", but in your calculations a mistake is a checker too much, to hit even a bare taxiway at those speeds is already a cloud of a pair of two vehicles, and for a normal elliptical orbit you need half the energy than for the GSO, which makes a big difference.

[Mityay65]

[Quote]for ordinary elliptical orbit[/ Quote]
The target will perform a maneuver of evasion, collapse and deploy solar panels, change the albedo, there will be no radio guidance in conditions of war from the Earth.
Then it will be necessary to equip the IS with a full-fledged homing system + powerful approach and orientation energy along all axes with the corresponding fuel supply, for an intermediate orbit correction you will need a rather powerful long-range radar that can hit somewhere over 5 km. + to her a source of energy. How do you imagine that?
And is it all one-time, for one purpose? An elliptical orbit will allow you to attack only one target at a time.

[Old Man]

The article "smiled" with its illiteracy, and unsuccessful attempts to compare the incomparable ... 300-400kg to "shoot down" a 300-400kg satellite, it turns out to knock out a tank, by this "analogy" we need a PTO weighing 50 tons? and in order to shoot down a globmaster weighing 300 tons, will we have to build a pepelats with a similar weight? and there is no other way, according to the author. An apparatus of 300-400kg on the GSO is already some kind of spacedreadnought, which will be able to systematically cut everything in its path. Unlike communication satellites, he does not need huge batteries, kilowatts of power in antennas, but a space-grinder will be enough, and he can already be next to the victim apparatus. But the owner of the device will strongly oppose.

And, yes, Nudol is a missile defense system, but not an anti-satellite weapon, as everyone here noted.

[Old26]

Quote: SanichSan

Well, it seems like it’s technically turned out to be much simpler and cheaper to jam or distort the satellite signal at the scene.

It is still about destroying satellites. And yes, signal distortion is probably easier to achieve than destroying a GPS satellite

Quote: SanichSan

Duc has recently been such a scandal .. about the Russian satellites for cleaning orbits. the states shouted about the evil Russian satellites dropping from their orbits, and ours denied that they said they were cleaning up the garbage. no exact data. conspiracy theology so far ...

Particular but yes

Quote: SanichSan

I would be very surprised if there is no project for launching containers with striking elements into their orbit. I think they also have a similar project. in a couple of weeks in orbit, debris will fly instead of satellites.

Frankly speaking, it doesn't make much sense. The density of the paralyzing elements can be such that more than one satellite will pass between them calmly. One thing is the scheme according to which our ISs operated. That is, an approach to a distance of about 1 km to the satellite and detonation of a warhead of about 15 thousand balls. Targeted undermining. And another thing is to "spray" a container with submunitions. At random

[Rus2012]

Quote: YOUR

the fight is not with enemy satellites, but with ballistic missiles, with their warheads.

... and that's it? :) ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))). ))))
But what about low-orbit satellites for various purposes, opto / radar ... drums in the end ?! ;)

[Rus2012]

Quote: Old26

Signal distortion is probably easier to achieve than destroying a GPS satellite.

... in time of war (or during a special period) - it is easier to demolish the MCCs (the business is - "Petrel" at the right time at the same time, and their warning systems will not have time to squeak),
for it takes a long time to get to the geostationary.
Or prepare in advance, i.e. graze your own beside the adversary's companions. And at the hour "XX = XX" to do "circumcision" ...

[Rus2012]

Quote: meandr51

Therefore, the war will begin with a massive strike by all nuclear weapons, including space nuclear weapons

Why immediately MRES?
"Petrels" and "Poseidons" give Russia a chance for a preventive permanent blow to the "nerve cells" of the Reptilians ... and it's in the bag. You just need a decisive VLOOKUP ...

[ben.reis]

The author is apparently a liberal

[Old26]

Quote: Rus2012

... in time of war (or during a special period) - it is easier to demolish the MCCs (the business is - "Petrel" at the right time at the same time, and their warning systems will not have time to squeak),

Probably easier, but the question is specifically about the rocket, and not about whether it is possible or not to destroy the MCC
Well, "Petrel". let's not talk about them for now. When at least there are successful tests announced, then we'll talk. It is very difficult to hit with the same "petrels" at the same time

Quote: Rus2012

Or prepare in advance, i.e. graze your own beside the adversary's companions. And at the hour "XX = XX" to do "circumcision" ...

Provided that they are suckers and will not make any efforts to counter the threat

Quote: Rus2012

"Petrels" and "Poseidons" give Russia a chance for a preventive permanent blow to the "nerve cells" of the Reptilians ... and it's in the bag.

Hurray can you already scream ???

[Rus2012]

Quote: Old26

You can already scream

Hurray - after our Victory (and throw caps in the air) ...;)

[kig]

Our media quite often write something that needs to be divided in the mind by ten, or even more. And even complete nonsense, and not only on military topics. Not so long ago Glance wrote Russia builds new ships to develop the Arctic, where in an enthusiastic manner he said that the Vostochnaya Verf shipyard in Primorye launched a tanker with a deadweight of 1600 tons. News as news, and for Vostochny Shipyard, which has never built anything larger than 1000 tons before, this is truly an achievement. The view “from this concludes that the Russian shipbuilding industry is in the leading world positions:This event is of great importance not only for the development of the domestic shipbuilding industry and the development of the Northern Sea Route. It shows Russia's technological superiority in this area.... Yes, only from the article it becomes known that the laying (start of construction) took place already in 2015. That is, the construction has been going on for 5 years already, and "launched" does not mean that it has already been accepted by the customer. Judging by the photos from the scene, the tanker has no superstructure yet, which means there are no ship rooms, cabins, a bridge with all the equipment ... in short, there is still plowing and plowing. The author of the article is unaware that the article is, in fact, an example of anti-advertising, because in neighboring China a ship of such characteristics would be built in 7-8 months. True, the order came from our MO, and it is in a hurry.

[Welcome to hell]

On the one hand, the article is very interesting, but on the other hand there are no official performance characteristics of Nudol yet, there are a couple of videos with his smart start from the mine. So we will wait for its adoption.

[Last centurion]

to shoot down satellites, there are inspectors, maneuvering satellites, just satellites and banal "buckets of bolts" that can be scattered in the appropriate orbits with any civilian rocket ... and on the ground there is a railroad for cutting down the jeepies. Cho to come up with all sorts of chukhnya about the shooting down of antimissile satellites and then write what kind of jeepies is very powerful. an hour after the start of the war, it will be fought by survivors after using yao .. in a severe bayonet attack, and a week later by hungry civilians with each other on fists and sticks

[pavelpavel]

"One swallow is not yet spring!" Do not forget about the traitors Nabiullina, Siluanov and further down the list.

[Newone]

To destroy the satellite 730 kg load? The author is raving.

[Nick Russ]

GEO satellites have one significant drawback. They cannot transmit a signal in real time, or rather they transmit with a short interval of up to several seconds. For example, if you use a navigator when driving on a road, the GPS will show the location of the car with a delay of up to a hundred meters or more. So these GEO satellites are unlikely to be a priority target.