Will the GPS satellite hit the Nudol?

Has Russia already won the arms race?


In the comments under my articles, I often see statements by people who are so sure of the miraculous properties of the latest Russian military developments that they are absolutely convinced of the impossibility of an attack on Russia. Therefore, when I touch upon military-economic issues, such people allow themselves ridicule. They, as a rule, cannot be convinced of anything: they have only a tinned throat for all counterarguments.




However, I was always interested in how such a worldview is formed and in what way. And here one of my friends on Facebook gave me the opportunity to satisfy my research curiosity.

It was a short record, I will give it in its entirety (without editing. - Ed.), Because it really perfectly demonstrates the cuisine in which "cheers-patriotism" is cooked:
Russia has tested Nudol - a missile capable of disarming the NATO army. The US government is alarmed by the successful tests of the Russian Nudol rocket, which is capable of destroying absolutely any satellite of a potential rival in Earth’s orbit. American analysts have prepared documents stating that Nudol flew 2000 km in just 15 minutes. Yes, not just flying, but hit the target.
The Pentagon is at a loss, because if these missiles come into service with the Russian army, then several of these missiles will be enough to completely disarm the NATO army. For this, Russia does not need to spend a lot of energy, just shoot down several satellites in orbit of the Earth. After that, the American army will be left without any connection.
The Russian Defense Ministry said that in the near future Nudol will be put into service with the Russian army, and they will only be designed to shoot down satellites that endanger the country. Unlike the United States, Russia has no selfish goals, it just wants to protect itself. Once again, the Russian Federation proves in practice that the second side comes out the winner in the arms race between the US and the Russian Federation.


Miracle rocket


So far, little is known about the new A-235 Nudol rocket due to the fact that this is the latest development to be tested (on 30 on August 2019, a test launch took place at the Sary-Shagan training ground), and therefore its characteristics have not been disclosed.

According to Western estimates, a missile of this type can hit targets in space within a radius of about 1500 km from the start and at an altitude of up to 800 km. Probably, these estimates are close to the truth, since a comparison with existing missiles is usually used to assess the capabilities of new missiles. Even the geometrical dimensions of a rocket can provide some idea of ​​its capabilities. That is, a rocket can destroy a satellite in low Earth orbit.

The propagandists of "cheers-patriotism" rub their hands: since a rocket can bring down something in space, it means that it can be shot down by any satellite. And if it can bring down, then several of these missiles can bring down communication satellites or GPS, the US army will lose communication and navigation. Hooray, the enemy is crushed to dust!

It will not reach satellites


The whole problem, however, is that the communication satellites are in geostationary orbit. For example, the USA-243 satellite, the military communications satellite of the WGS (Wireband Global SATCOM) series, launched in May 2013, is accessing the GSO at an altitude of 35786 km. Satellites of the NAVSTAR system, which supports the GPS system, rotate in circular orbits at an altitude of 20180 km.


Visualization of the orbits of the GPS satellites (on the diagram on the left)


The capabilities of the A-235 will not be enough to deliver a warhead to this orbit sufficient to guarantee the destruction of a rather large communications or navigation satellite. Let's say that to throw 730 kg payload on GSO requires a rocket comparable to the Japanese H-II missile, with a launch weight of 289 tons. “Nudol” is much more modest: according to published data, its starting weight is 9,6 tons. So, “Nudol” will simply not reach the communication and navigation satellites.

A warhead designed to bring down satellites on a GSO should, in fact, be a full-fledged satellite capable of maneuvering in order to carry out maneuvers of approaching a target satellite at a distance at which it can be effectively destroyed by kinetic striking elements. That is, the head part should have orientation engines and fuel supply. Also needed control and navigation devices, a battery for on-board systems. All together - this is 200-300 kg of weight or so. Therefore, the missile for hitting communications and navigation satellites should be larger than Nudol.


The navigation satellite is a fairly large device. GPS-IIF has a mass of 1,6 tons


At least a hundred rockets


This could be the end. However, it is also worth mentioning that as part of the NAVSTAR satellite constellation, there is an 32 satellite, and as part of the WGS, there are 9 satellites and another was launched in March 2019 of the year. In addition, the United States has the previous DSCS satellite communications system, in which several more satellites operate (in 2015 - 7). That is, you need about 20 successful hits in order for the US Army to begin serious problems with satellite communications and navigation.

In addition, the United States and its allies have other satellite auxiliary systems that can act as a substitute for GPS. For example, this is the Japanese QZSS as part of 4 satellites (it is planned to launch three more satellites before 2023), which now acts as a GPS signal correction system in the Western Pacific, but may, according to some information, work autonomously. The Japanese navy is equipped with signal receivers of this system.

So "knock down several satellites" (even in the case of the technical feasibility of this) is far from enough to deprive the enemy of communications and navigation. It will take an order of magnitude more starts and hits. It seems that in order to be able to destroy the enemy’s satellite systems with a certain guarantee (that is, taking into account misses, abnormal detonations and attempts at counteraction), one needs to have at least 100 missiles specially designed for hitting satellites on the GSO on alert duty. Attacking communication and navigation satellites is not as simple an operation as it might seem at first glance. And it’s possible to carry it out precisely not with the Nudol missile, which is intended, apparently, as a missile for intercepting ballistic targets in space, that is, nuclear warheads.

A few words about propaganda


Now back to the cited "cheers-patriotic" propaganda. The reference information now available to everyone and everyone clearly shows that its main components are exaggeration and colorful rhetoric. The exaggerations are very significant and, in general, designed for the public, which, by the level of their knowledge in specific issues, simply will not suspect a trick, will not specify whether it is so or not, and will take a word. Exaggerations cling to exaggerations along the chain: "a rocket can shoot down a satellite," "a rocket can shoot down absolutely any satellite," "rockets will deprive the US of communications and navigation." And all this is framed by appropriate rhetoric. Further, under the influence of such propaganda, this audience will have a reinforced concrete conviction that Russia will divide the United States with just a couple of missile launches, and in general there is no need to worry about anything, victory is in your pocket.

Clash with reality can be shocking and breaking the psyche for them. And on the day of "M" it will be possible to observe a striking picture of the transformation of yesterday's brave "cheers-patriots" into the latest whiners and defeatists.
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  1. Ezekiel 25-17 10 September 2019 18: 09 New
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    "Noodle" is only one of the components of the system of deterring aggression by the owners of the article, in principle, 2-3 SSBNs on combat duty will be enough to destroy them, and since the strategic nuclear forces of the Russian Federation are much more diverse in composition, I hasten to assure the author: he will spend his 30 pieces of silver not in time.
    1. Svarog 10 September 2019 18: 36 New
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      Quote: Ezekiel 25-17
      he will not have time to spend his 30 pieces of silver.

      It is not right to blame a person for betrayal when the author tries to look at the question from the other side. If you look at the economy and internal affairs in general and what is happening around you, you should talk about successes in the military-industrial complex with caution, especially when not everything is obvious, since this sphere is closed from the average person. There are already obvious substances where it can be said that we are at the level .. but much is not at all obvious. Let’s say their X-37, an obvious thing and one of its purposes, namely elimination of satellites .. Perhaps the Noodle is good, but it would be nice to demonstrate how to shoot down some old satellite and all doubts would be dispelled ..
      1. Terenin 10 September 2019 19: 06 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        Quote: Ezekiel 25-17
        he will not have time to spend his 30 pieces of silver.

        It is not right to blame a person for betrayal when the author tries to look at the question from the other side. ... Let’s say their X-37, the thing is obvious and one of its purposes is to eliminate the satellites .. Perhaps the Noodle is good, but it would be nice to demonstrate if some old satellite was shot down and all doubts would be dispelled ..

        Aha winked
        Let’s also discuss the composition of the grouping here, with a detailed number of individual missile defense systems in reserve, under repair, in maintenance ...
        As well as the schedule of regulations and the composition of the servicing calculations of the technical base.
        1. YOUR 10 September 2019 23: 14 New
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          The composition of the group is known and the location of the Nudol complex is also a multichannel missile defense system of the Moscow industrial region.
          All this is stipulated in the ABM Treaty. Another thing is its ability, performance characteristics. You will not find any materials about this anywhere or never.
          1. zloi_dekabr 11 September 2019 19: 37 New
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            The ABM Treaty has sunk into oblivion. Do not smack nonsense, it hurts.
            1. umah 17 September 2019 13: 10 New
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              It seems to me that A-135 and A-235 have the task of shooting down ICBM blocks, and not shooting at satellites.
      2. Ezekiel 25-17 10 September 2019 19: 07 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        Quote: Ezekiel 25-17
        he will not have time to spend his 30 pieces of silver.

        It is not right to blame a person for betrayal when the author tries to look at the question from the other side. If you look at the economy and internal affairs in general and what is happening around you, you should talk about successes in the military-industrial complex with caution, especially when not everything is obvious, since this sphere is closed from the average person. There are already obvious substances where it can be said that we are at the level .. but much is not at all obvious. Let’s say their X-37, an obvious thing and one of its purposes, namely elimination of satellites .. Perhaps the Noodle is good, but it would be nice to demonstrate how to shoot down some old satellite and all doubts would be dispelled ..

        Firstly, it’s absolutely clear that the article is custom-made, and secondly, I’m silent about the Noodle, not the topic ... I’m writing about this, this is one of the components of Russia's strategic nuclear forces, but: "... I don’t understand ... "
      3. YOUR 10 September 2019 23: 11 New
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        The author wrote that the Nudol missile missile would not reach the GPC satellite, but did not write at what altitude they are located, and this is no less than 20 km. The Nudol missile has a different purpose, the fight is not with enemy satellites, but with ballistic missiles, with their warheads. Nudol is a missile defense, not a PKO.
      4. KrokodilGena 11 September 2019 14: 17 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        Perhaps the “Noodle” is good, but it would be nice to demonstrate how to bring down some sort of old satellite and all doubts would be dispelled ..

        It’s not enough to shoot down “some satellite”, it’s interesting navigation and communications that revolve around the earth at distances of 20-40 thousand km.
    2. Greg Miller 10 September 2019 19: 13 New
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      Quote: Ezekiel 25-17
      "Noodle" is only one of the components of the system of deterring aggression by the owners of the article, in principle, 2-3 SSBNs on combat duty will be enough to destroy them, and since the strategic nuclear forces of the Russian Federation are much more diverse in composition, I hasten to assure the author: he will spend his 30 pieces of silver not in time.

      Why are these "2-3 SSBNs and various strategic nuclear forces"? There is a new, much more powerful weapon - airborne temples! And the Tsar Temple with steps from trophy weapons ... Yes, we will crush these Yankees with one prayer !!!
      1. 210ox 10 September 2019 19: 29 New
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        Gregory. hi I do not know what we will be fighting-nudole or temples. But that's what they will be with us, or rather they’re already fighting, I know. Thus, they bled and ruined the Union in the late 80s
        1. Greg Miller 10 September 2019 19: 53 New
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          Dmitriy hi I can not agree with you ....
          1. Monster_Fat 10 September 2019 21: 22 New
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            The author, here, who from the sect of “Mighty Khibins and Cowardly Cook” cannot be convinced of the fakeness of that “victory”, and you, trying to prove the “all-conquering” wunderwaffle “Nudol” about the “miracle of the domestic industry”, the “unqualified world”, gavrikam, its not "invincibility" .... Useless lesson.
        2. shonsu 11 September 2019 00: 17 New
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          Chicken legs? lol
        3. AnderS 11 September 2019 11: 56 New
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          Thus, they bled and ruined the Union in the late 80s

          Do not smack nonsense, it hurts. If the Americans ruined the union, then where were those who were supposed to protect it from collapse, do not tell?
        4. KrokodilGena 11 September 2019 14: 25 New
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          Quote: 210ox
          Thus, they bled and ruined the Union in the late 80s

          The collapse of the USSR was a nightmare scenario for Americans, that's why they helped with loans from the mid-80s, after rapprochement of countries. Their concerns concerned the proliferation of nuclear weapons. But the USSR collapsed due to the insanity and idiocy of the Politburo. They would introduce farming, small business and private property in the early 80s, as the Chinese did, would not have come to any collapse, since there would have been no problems with a shortage of clothes, furniture, food, and other little things.
        5. dog of war 11 September 2019 15: 46 New
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          the Americans and the Kremlin boars themselves were bled and ruined by the Union, in order to disrupt the vast country.
      2. Ezekiel 25-17 11 September 2019 12: 43 New
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        Even in those years that I still found the author and you like, after writing such articles, would have a good chance of getting Art. 64: "Betrayal of the Homeland." The article is a typical example of a gray pseudo-scientific balcony, aimed at the consciousness of the layman. Your comment is a solid chernukha in the spirit of ukronatsistskogo nonsense.
        1. wehr 11 September 2019 12: 55 New
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          Now tell the public what did you do from 19 to 21 on August 1991?
          1. Proxima 11 September 2019 23: 53 New
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            Quote: wehr
            Now tell the public what did you do from 19 to 21 on August 1991?

            lol This is wit (from the word "mind") !!!. Smekhopanoama smokes nervously on the sidelines! smile Burn on, dear author! good fellow
            1. wehr 12 September 2019 00: 17 New
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              In the light of his teachings on how to love your homeland, it is very interesting if he went to defend it or hid.
    3. Proxima 10 September 2019 22: 10 New
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      The strategic nuclear forces of the Russian Federation are much more diverse in composition, then I hasten to assure the author: he will not have time to spend his 30 pieces of silver.

      They blamed the man, but he is essentially right. The article is clearly custom-made, just by training manual. A classic of the genre, a man who loves his homeland, reads the news about Nudol (naturally, it is retouched - this is done everywhere) and starts tossing up his bonnet and bowing before the portrait of Putin. Of course, he has no brains and critical analysis, it’s a bydlo-patriot, right? Whether business "great technical expert" Leonid Gozman, who publicly stated that all of Putin’s recent statements about Russian military-technical innovations is a fiction. He knows better, although if you ask this "expert" ten full-time technical questions, he will not answer a single one. fool The author of the article is the same Gozman. Dmitry Verkhoturov - you either put on your underpants or take off your cross. If your article is in the technical format "Armament", then remove the chapter "A few words about propaganda" from it and do not consider the readers of VO as mentally underdeveloped. In a word, the technical aspect in your article is zero. Cheap demagoguery - up to the neck. Dear Ezekiel, my moral support and do not pay attention to the minuses. hi
      1. Kalmar 11 September 2019 10: 56 New
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        Quote: Proxima
        They blamed the man, but he is essentially right. The article is clearly custom-made, just by training manual.

        Yes, even if it’s custom-made. The article contains facts - are they in doubt? Do you think that a 10-ton rocket could throw a serious load into geostationary orbit? If this is really so, then to hell with PRO / PKO, such a miracle rocket should be urgently needed at Roskosmos, it will be a splash in the market of commercial launches! SpaceX goes bankrupt, NASA and ESA will fight in line for the right to "Satisfy" their satellites to launch!
        1. Proxima 11 September 2019 20: 59 New
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          Yes, even if it’s custom-made. The article contains facts - are they in doubt?

          Have you carefully read the article? What is cited from the facts:
          According to Western estimates, a missile of this type may hit targets in space within a radius of about 1500 km from the start and at an altitude of up to 800 km. Probably, these estimates are close to the truth, since a comparison with existing missiles is usually used to assess the capabilities of new missiles. Even the geometrical dimensions of a rocket can provide some idea of ​​its capabilities. That is, a rocket can destroy a satellite in near Earth orbit.
          Great, everyone agrees, including myself! good And then went cheap divorce for people not gifted with consciousness. The author, without referring to any source, writes how this missile strikes communication satellites and what pig joy the cheers of the patriots have about it. Some cheap ranting.
          1. wehr 12 September 2019 00: 18 New
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            In my opinion, your brains are broken, if you understand the article.
            1. Sanichsan 12 September 2019 16: 35 New
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              and how do you differ from those "cheers - patriots!" who so despise? you, too, "cheers - a patriot!", Only another country wink Russian "cheers-patriots" shout that "Noodle" will knock down all the satellites, you howl that "Nud" can’t bring anything down because it’s immature and can’t get anywhere. both of them are stupid propaganda. where is the difference then?
              1. wehr 12 September 2019 16: 38 New
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                I may not be any different, but you subtracted the meaning in the article, the exact opposite of the written and directly stated.
                Hence: either broken brains, or deliberate distortion.
                1. Sanichsan 12 September 2019 16: 43 New
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                  Quote: wehr
                  but you read in the article the meaning directly opposite to what was written and directly declared.

                  hmmm .. and what is this meaning in your understanding? maybe i missed something? request
                  1. wehr 12 September 2019 19: 04 New
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                    The author, without referring to any source, writes how this rocket strikes communications satellites and what a pig’s joy the cheers of the patriots


                    The author writes that the rocket does not affect communication satellites and the joy of the patriots is somewhat unfounded.
                    1. Sanichsan 13 September 2019 14: 31 New
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                      but reconnaissance satellites rotate in orbit 500-800km, exactly in the zone of operation of the Noodle.
                      probably the author is painful to remember this? request
        2. abrakadabre 12 September 2019 07: 28 New
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          The article contains facts - are they in doubt? Do you think that a 10-ton rocket could throw a serious load into geostationary orbit?
          The main fact cited in the article that is not in doubt: a false introductory article - that everyone believes that Nudol can bring down communication satellites. It is unclear who these all are and what these all have to do with the armed forces and politics.
          From the fact that someone “intellectually gifted” thinks so, who is good or bad? From what more or less official source has the author sucked out a hint of a similar fact? Anyone who has a normal secondary education and common sense, having read from a public source a description of the aforementioned missile, will justifiably consider that it is intended for missile defense, and not to shoot down satellites on and around the GSO.
          That is, the author invented a problem for himself and triumphantly defeated it. Something like this.
      2. LON
        LON 11 September 2019 14: 44 New
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        The article is clearly custom

        The author correctly discusses custom articles for our patriots from the Russian press. "Yuri Borisov named the Nudol anti-satellite complex among the six latest types of Russian weapons that the West has nothing to answer. Among others, he listed the Sarmat complex, the fifth-generation fighter Su -57, T-14 tank on the Armata platform, https://ria.ru/20190119/1549603855.html "According to the channel, the tests were passed in December 2018. The missile flew about 3 thousand kilometers and hit the target, reaching it in 17 minutes. According to the creators, the system should have the ability to intercept ballistic missiles, as well as military spacecraft. http://ren.tv/novosti/2019-01-19/v-ssha-zayavili-chto-rossiyskaya-raketa-sistemy-nudol-preodolela-3-tys-km-za-17 "missile launched by the Nudol system ", In 17 minutes it flew over 2000 km and reached the goal. At the Pentagon," Nudol "is considered as a missile defense system that could threaten American satellites in orbit" https://www.rbc.ru/politics/19/01/2019/ 5c425b579a794775cbda037f
      3. T-1000 11 September 2019 18: 52 New
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        Verkhoturov? Is this the wrong freak from the Moscow Feeding Sect?
    4. KrokodilGena 11 September 2019 14: 15 New
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      Quote: Ezekiel 25-17
      in principle, 2-3 SSBNs on combat duty will be enough to destroy them



      A few words about propaganda

      Now back to the cited "cheers-patriotic" propaganda. The given reference information, now available to everyone and everyone, clearly shows that its main components are exaggeration and flowery rhetoric. The exaggerations are very significant and, in general, designed for the public, which, by the level of their knowledge in specific issues, simply will not suspect a trick, will not specify whether it is so or not, and will take a word. Exaggerations cling to exaggerations along the chain: "a rocket can shoot down a satellite," "a rocket can shoot down absolutely any satellite," "rockets will deprive the US of communications and navigation." And all this is framed by appropriate rhetoric. Further, under the influence of such propaganda, this audience will have a reinforced concrete conviction that Russia will divide the United States with just a couple of missile launches, and in general there is no need to worry about anything, victory is in your pocket.

      It is about you and people like you, local colonels and generals, an article.
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  2. kot423 10 September 2019 18: 14 New
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    Too ambitious article. Without knowing the technical characteristics, wondering "on the coffee grounds" about the real purpose (you can throw a few dozens offhand, but I don’t want to be like you in fortune telling), as well as "patriots cheers" - you, the author, are no different from them, for excluding the sign (+ or -) in front of your names ...
    1. Proxima 10 September 2019 22: 24 New
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      Quote: kot423
      like "cheers of patriots" - you, the author, do not differ from them, except for the sign (+ or -) in front of your names ...

      hi hi hi
    2. shonsu 11 September 2019 00: 33 New
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      He says everything correctly. There are laws of physics and materials that so far have nothing to replace. By the size of the rocket, one can quite accurately judge its capabilities. For 50 years, they have been driven on protons into space and it is still considered one of the best. By size, knowing the energy of the fuel, one can judge the performance characteristics of the rocket. And the size of the nudol is clearly not enough to bring at least one kilogram of weight into low orbit. According to the ballistic trajectory, it may well rise to a height of 800 km, well, maybe 1000 km maximum. This is not enough. by the way. The United States, China and India have already shot down satellites, but they were satellites in low orbit, about 300 km.
    3. genius-f 11 September 2019 12: 11 New
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      TTX of the Nudol rocket, like any other, is measured with a tape measure, and even if the error is 2-3 times, then for the defeat of the satellite on the GSO its parameters do not reach 10 times!
      No, it’s not bad - it’s different, for other purposes. This is the reason why the author painted in this article, regardless of whether it was ordered or not, who is his HOST and how many silver notebooks he received forgetting to share with you.
  3. Dmitry Potapov 10 September 2019 18: 15 New
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    The author, and if theoretically, “Nudol” acts as a booster block delivering other rockets into orbit that continue to move further on the principle of “Dagger” and MIG-31?
    1. Ocelot 10 September 2019 22: 33 New
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      The concept of “multi-printing rocket” is well known, but Nudoli is clearly not enough to put a warhead on the GSO
    2. shonsu 11 September 2019 00: 42 New
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      Good question. That is, it will turn out already a rocket with two steps. If interested, you can see how the rockets flying into space differ from each other. See that the difference between the heaviest and the lightest is not so great. This is because there are limits on both sides. Lighter than the lightest one simply does not have enough strength to reach the orbit, and the very heavy one simply cannot take it off the ground. Take a look at the topic, everything is simple there. But I don’t want to write much. )))
  4. E.S. 10 September 2019 18: 20 New
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    And who promised to shoot down satellites on GSO Nudolya ???
    This is of course a good way to attribute to the opponent an idiotic thesis and refute it with brilliance, but here it is somehow even without brilliance, for example, an estimate of the required weight to be cast is not clear from where.
    And, yes, we saw a picture of an expert turning into a pumpkin on Day 8.8.8. on the example of gr. Felgenhauer, who promised Georgian tanks almost in Volgograd
    1. Operator 10 September 2019 19: 15 New
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      “Shooting down satellites in a different way than kinetically is inseparable” (C) laughing
    2. LON
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      Quote: E.S.
      And who promised to shoot down satellites on GSO Nudolya ???

      Our propaganda. “According to the channel’s information, the tests took place in December 2018. The missile flew about 3 thousand kilometers and hit the target, reaching it in 17 minutes. According to the creators, the system should be able to intercept ballistic missiles, as well as military spacecraft. Http: / /ren.tv/novosti/2019-01-19/v-ssha-zayavili-chto-rossiyskaya-raketa-sistemy-nudol-preodolela-3-tys-km-za-17 "missile launched by the Nudol system, for 17 minutes flew over 2000 km and reached the goal. At the Pentagon, Nudol is seen as a missile defense system that could threaten US satellites in orbit "https://www.rbc.ru/politics/19/01/2019/5c425b579a794775cbda037f
  5. NEXUS 10 September 2019 18: 27 New
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    The author, not even knowing approximately the technical characteristics of Nudol, talks about some heights, ranges and capabilities of this missile defense. A very strange article ... which warhead will the A-235 carry? What is the principle of intercepting a target? With bcc or thanks to the bullet-in-bullet system? What is actually known in fact about the A-235 really? What is there to talk about?
    1. shonsu 11 September 2019 00: 47 New
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      He says everything correctly. There are laws of physics and materials that so far have nothing to replace. By the size of the rocket, one can quite accurately judge its capabilities. For 50 years, they have been driven on protons into space and it is still considered one of the best. By size, knowing the energy of the fuel, one can judge the performance characteristics of the rocket. And the size of the nudol is clearly not enough to bring at least one kilogram of weight into low orbit. According to the ballistic trajectory, it may well rise to a height of 800 km, well, maybe 1000 km maximum. This is not enough. by the way. The United States, China and India have already shot down satellites, but they were satellites in low orbit, about 300 km.
  6. rocket757 10 September 2019 18: 31 New
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    And no one writes only the truth ... EVERYONE is whispering to the fullest both for their own and for strangers!
    However, there is more than enough objective information to make a correct assessment of the situation, you just need to include common sense.
    1. AnderS 11 September 2019 12: 01 New
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      to leave a correct assessment of the situation, you just need to include common sense.
      Well, you bent it ... laughing Here people have problems with elementary logic, but you’re talking about some common sense
      1. rocket757 11 September 2019 12: 34 New
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        Quote: AnderS
        Well, you bent it ...

        Nothing is impossible, for most, at least. There would be a desire.
        Everything can be learned, who is interfering with that?
        1. AnderS 11 September 2019 13: 22 New
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          Everything can be learned, who is interfering with that?

          The fact of the matter is that people for various reasons do not want to study ... That laziness, now there is no time, then something else ... But the most interesting is that this does not prevent them, despite ignorance, from discussing things, the idea of which they have developed exclusively on the films "Star Wars" and "Alien" ... belay
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            But the most interesting thing is that this does not prevent them, despite ignorance, from discussing things that they had an idea of ​​exclusively from the films "Star Wars" and "Alien" ...

            That is, that is .... however, and quite competent, educated people can carry ... miscellaneous, according to their beliefs! It can be perceived in different ways, but they can convince and prove their ideas very convincingly!
            This is our reality and, among other things, a hat with ears will not hurt so that noodles are not hung on the ears!
          2. telobezumnoe 11 September 2019 14: 40 New
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            I think that faith is to blame ... people don’t want to see the truth because beautiful fairy tales are sweeter .. and it’s better to believe what you like and not pay attention to what does not fit into their worldview
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              Quote: telobezumnoe
              people don’t want to see the truth because beautiful fairy tales are sweeter

              Maybe, but this is only part of the great universal! Moreover, faith is seriously supported by the strength and victories of our people!
    2. dog of war 11 September 2019 15: 59 New
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      the article is actually not about Nudol, but about hurray-patriotism and about propaganda on TV, I really often notice how exaggerated TTX and use the old stamps "It has no analogues in the world!" but it’s actually normal, it’s just an advertisement “every frog praises its swamps”. But because of this advertisement, ordinary citizens have a picture - that our weapons are super-strong, just like in Hollywood blockbusters and as a result of different cases (like the fall of the Proton launch vehicle), people have a cognitive dissanance and yesterday’s cheers-patriots become “all-wrestlers” or change more radically , become haters of Russia.
      1. rocket757 11 September 2019 16: 28 New
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        that our weapon is superstrong

        Our weapon is NORMAL, which has been proven more than once! Just do not go into extremes, neither there nor back. We must be worthy of our ancestors, who won victories with our weapons.
        1. wehr 11 September 2019 16: 45 New
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          Are you a former political instructor, or what?
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            Quote: wehr
            Are you a former political instructor, or what?

            And what, our ancestors did not win? And what, did they have tsuzoye weapons?
            PS ..... even non-partisan, so by.
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              I do not believe. Only former political instructors can express themselves in such a way.
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                Yes, there were all kinds of things .... Maybe they were cloned in the garrisons, but beyond ..... away from the authorities, they sent smarter specialists, because there was something to them and the contingent to look around and reflect on!
                I was interested in a "political officer", the only one who did not argue that we could not win a vigorous conflict !!! that is, he knew, recognized that there would simply be no winners! Probably the title and position allowed him to have his own opinion .....
  7. Amateur 10 September 2019 18: 33 New
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    with a target satellite at a distance at which it can be effectively destroyed by kinetic damaging elements.

    And why kinetic? And not high-explosive or cumulative? recourse recourse
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      A land mine in space is, of course, original! .. repeat
      1. Town Hall 10 September 2019 20: 46 New
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        Quote: Dude
        A land mine in space is, of course, original! .. repeat

        Cumulative is also not sickly
      2. Mityay65 10 September 2019 23: 43 New
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        A land mine in space is, of course, original!

        The only satellite interception system in the world adopted for armament, IS, made up of maneuvering IS spacecraft with high-explosive fragmentation warheads.
        P / S Many years ago I dreamed that one drinking buddy of my kunak saw a man at dawn who, out of the corner of his ear, heard about the trials of some cumulative warhead in space ...
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          Quote: Mityai65
          A land mine in space is, of course, original!

          The only satellite interception system in the world adopted for armament, IS, made up of maneuvering IS spacecraft with high-explosive fragmentation warheads.

          Shrapnelhigh-explosive, are you watching the difference?
          Many years ago I dreamed that one drinking companion of my kunak saw a man at dawn who, out of the corner of his ear, heard about the trials of some cumulative warhead in space ...

          Well, it’s probably funny to have such dreams wassat That's just, the substances that cause them, everything, as a selection, adversely affect physical and mental health ... wink
    2. AnderS 11 September 2019 12: 02 New
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      And why kinetic? And not high-explosive or cumulative? recourse recourse
      Laser, laser ammunition forgotten, positron traction ... laughing
      1. rocket757 11 September 2019 12: 42 New
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        Any WORKING satellite has external devices, including solar panels, the damage of which can turn it into an inactive piece of everything, everything!
        Elementary shrapnel with good kinetic energy! High-explosive fragmentation warhead with detonation at close range or along an intersecting trajectory! The main thing to get.
        This is not a tank, there’s no special armor there.
        1. Mityay65 11 September 2019 14: 05 New
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          This is not a tank, there’s no special armor there.

          Warhead ICs are similar to warhead missiles of the corresponding time period ..
          And the funny thing is, they are developed by the same people, and they are made in the same workshops. wassat
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            This is not a tank, there’s no special armor there.

            Warhead ICs are similar to warhead missiles of the corresponding time period ..
            And the funny thing is, they are developed by the same people, and they are made in the same workshops. wassat

            Not my topic, I can not say one way or another.
  8. O. Bender 10 September 2019 18: 37 New
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    I may be mistaken, but the spacecraft on the GSO figuratively hangs in one place. The distance to it, albeit an average of 25000 km, is also not small, but it is essentially motionless, unable to maneuver, such a standing target. What prevents the combat module from delivering to it ? The upper stage, the second stage for working outside the atmosphere, and the third stage are the actual combat module of the killer. To catch and destroy the module is the enemy’s task, which means that the characteristics of the anti-missile should be an order of magnitude higher, which in my opinion is simply not technically feasible, before you chase after the killer of satellites, it is necessary to calculate this killer, to classify it, to make a decision, to launch. And this time, even if it is relatively small 5 ... 10 minutes. but then it’s also necessary to catch up! The only question is whether there really are such anti-geostationary
    1. Ocelot 10 September 2019 22: 37 New
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      Not 25000, but almost 36000
      1. O. Bender 11 September 2019 11: 52 New
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        There is no fundamental difference, 20000km or 35000, in any case it is not close
    2. Vladimir Lenin 10 September 2019 22: 38 New
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      I don’t want to upset you, but in space to get from point A to point B you can’t move in a straight line, only in a parabola. I am not aware of modern technical capabilities, is it possible to move along a hyperbolic trajectory, this requires speeds an order of magnitude higher, but not as straight as possible. And the fact that the object is above your head at an altitude of 35786 km. it seems motionless so you do not forget, you also move in space with respect to it with equal speed or acceleration, forgive me forgets.
    3. Mityay65 11 September 2019 00: 07 New
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      are there really such anti-geostationary

      The deployment of satellite fighters (IS) on Earth is problematic. To fly to the GSO, you need a minimum of a Soyuz-2a, or Flight-3 class rocket, and, accordingly, a spaceport for their launch. At the beginning of 3 MV all space centers will be destroyed, however, as well as mine installations.
      Therefore, the IS must be placed in advance, before the start of 3 MB, in the orbits of long-term storage, and disguised as garbage. IPs must provide long-term uptime on standby. At the command of the Earth, to wake up, make an orbital maneuver of the transition to the GSO, and begin to shoot the adversary’s satellites with homing BG ... Something like that.
      1. Alien From 11 September 2019 03: 07 New
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        And who will give the command ????
        1. g1washntwn 11 September 2019 07: 08 New
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          "Perimeter" ..or "Skynet", as they are not called. The meaning is this - at hour X, after confirmation from the defense network, the “satellite-inspector” group begins to “inspect” all spacecraft and “space debris” that are not related to their own group. If there is someone to adjust the program - a person will participate, no - the "inspectors" will act according to the laid down algorithms and will automatically clean the orbits until their own resource is exhausted.
    4. shonsu 11 September 2019 00: 55 New
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      Firstly, not 25000 but more than 35000. And secondly, they are not motionless. All geostationary satellites maintain their location with the help of ion engines and are quite capable of maneuvering. The truth is not fast.
  9. mark1 10 September 2019 18: 51 New
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    The author correctly outlined the problem of our high expectations - at a height of orbits of 20-40 thousand km there is still a huge problem to reach from the Earth! Well, obviously not "Nudole" (it's just a missile defense system). Most likely, dual-purpose satellites (with the possibility of maneuvering) should be placed in advance in close orbits in advance. And then on day M, when we will
    observe the striking picture of the transformation of yesterday's brave "cheers-patriots" into the latest whiners and defeatists.
    the satellites listed, for example, as backup GLONASS, will set in motion and solve the problem, thereby returning the "cheers-patriots" to their natural state.
    1. shonsu 11 September 2019 01: 17 New
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      Okay, everyone is silent then I will say. The problem of satellites has long been no longer a problem for us. Back in the USSR, we tested a ground-based laser, with a small satellite power, which greatly alarmed the United States. After all, the satellite does not have to be destroyed so that it shatters into pieces. It is enough to simply disable its equipment, and it is very sensitive. The matrix of cameras is easily burned out with a laser, but in general, other systems do not tolerate it very well, especially modern ones, using 7-14 nm technologies. Therefore, on our satellites they use mainly 130 nm. A compromise, and quite fast and more stable. Currently, a giant laser facility is being built in Sarov. It is quite enough to remove all satellites from our geostationary orbit. And those that are not at the GSO sooner or later will still fly over our territory. And besides, we have just jammers. In general, they have been dealing with the problem for a long time. )))
      1. AnderS 11 September 2019 12: 10 New
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        And those that are not at the GSO sooner or later will still fly over our territory.

        Seriously? Thank you, urapatriot, for discovering the new law of celestial mechanics, you are only entitled to the Nobel Prize for this. But do not tell me why the geostationary orbit is called geostationary? Probably because the satellites that are on it wander around the earth as they like and "sooner or later they will fly over our territory anyway"?
      2. Mityay65 11 September 2019 12: 24 New
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        a giant laser plant is being built in Sarov

        Laser installation (LU) as an anti-satellite weapon has its drawbacks:
        1. At the beginning of the war, it will be destroyed first, because gigantic. And most likely before the start of work, because we are not the first to attack.
        2. To operate the laser on a satellite in GSO, or simply in high orbit, a multi-pulse mode is required, because It is impossible to direct and keep the beam at a distance of 36 km due to atmospheric fluctuations and spacecraft evasion maneuvers. Accordingly, the work time for each satellite will be, according to my estimates, several tens of minutes. This is a lot, it will take hundreds of hours to destroy 000 objects.
        3. For the operation of the satellite laser, the absence of clouds and precipitation is required. Therefore, experimental laser systems were installed in high mountain regions. The laser that you mention, according to rumors, beat from the Pamirs.
        4. Very difficult countermeasures.
        Based on all of the above, the strategists of the 80s decided to pull the LA into orbit (Pole - Energy).
        PS The first time I hear something about such an interesting project, tell me if possible.
  10. Mihail2019 10 September 2019 18: 53 New
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    So who to argue with then ?! "Nudol" is a missile defense, that is, Anti-Missile Defense, and not anti-satellite.
    The victims of the exam cannot explain the difference between a low, almost circular, and highly elliptical orbit. Astronomy was removed from the school course.
    About Kepler’s laws with two focal points of the orbit, who will remember now ?!
    And the fact that the “Nudol” is imprisoned under blocks of ballistic missiles on a downward trajectory - no one will remember about it at all!
    And precisely in this is the uniqueness of the rocket - the target is no longer moving according to the laws of celestial mechanics, it is already in the atmosphere, although very discharged! And to catch a target in such conditions is by no means easier than in open space in a highly elliptical orbit ..
  11. Mantrid 10 September 2019 18: 58 New
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    in order to bring down satellites, the USSR was developing the Energy / Skiff link (the demonstrator was, Pole), this program needs to be reanimated. Although maybe Nudol is it it, or something similar?
  12. Operator 10 September 2019 19: 00 New
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    "High-altitude thermonuclear explosion," - no, I have not heard.
    1. telobezumnoe 11 September 2019 14: 55 New
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      So what? Amy will also blind his radars .. in principle, there, like Gazelle, the altitude of 40 km that he gains in a few seconds, undermining the warhead (nuclear) is also possible selection of false targets. perhaps in this modification the missiles will raise the height and make interception more realistic
      1. Operator 11 September 2019 15: 11 New
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        The high-altitude explosion of a thermonuclear warhead of the 10-megaton class will burn the x-ray and neutrons of the satellite electronics in a radius of 10000 km.
        1. telobezumnoe 11 September 2019 15: 42 New
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          you underestimate our sun, which constantly bombards these satellites and generally cosmic radiation, as well as protection from radiation and high-energy particles, unfortunately we are not doing well with this, because bourgeois satellites fly longer. and yes, you overestimate the impact of a nuclear explosion) all the more beyond the atmospheric
          1. Operator 11 September 2019 16: 49 New
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            The neutron flux density from a thermonuclear explosion (affecting electronics) is several orders of magnitude higher than the density of cosmic rays.

            Plus an x-ray burning matrix of optoelectronic observation devices.
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              yes, only if you studied field theory you should know how the field intensity changes from distance "maybe the law of inverse squares will tell you something", this is not a directed coherent beam, I think for a hundred kilometers even in a vacuum the radiation intensity will not be much more than usual of the cosmic background and in general, as you think, the hubble looks at the stars if gamma radiation should have killed its matrix for a long time, all the more it is not just a flash, but a constant stream of particles whose energies even the tank did not dream of. and yes, the optical Matrix is ​​most sensitive to visible light, even for high gamma radiation, the cristallic grating is not a hindrance, and didn’t you wonder why they do x-rays? because most of the tissues are transparent to it, and it is not particularly absorbed by them, and the shorter the wavelength, the more photons will pass through the crystal lattice and only some direct collisions can change the energy of atoms, and if we take into account the decrease in the radiation density with distance, then over a hundred kilometers it will turn out to be very low, not to mention your 10 thousand km .. and the damaging factors of yao are very exaggerated media
              1. Operator 11 September 2019 21: 17 New
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                In three-dimensional space, the radiation intensity of a local source decreases in proportion to the cube of distance, of course.

                At your leisure, calculate the density of x-rays from a thermonuclear explosion at a distance of 10 million meters, if at a distance of 1 meters it is equal to the density of aluminum.
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                  Well, you burn)) the density of aluminum is the mass per volume. what is the mass of photons? how can one compare warm with soft? well let there be a specific impulse and rest mass .. even if you take your example, suppose a ball with a radius of a meter of aluminum. it's about 4.19 cubic meters, it's about 11.3 tons of aluminum, a ball with a radius of 10 million is 4.19 by 10 to 21 degrees cubic meters, divide 11.3 tons by this volume, and we get about 2.7 by 10 to the degree of -18 .. kg per cubic meter you imagine how much is a little? Yes, and here about the inverse squares clearly, and where does the cube?
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                    The specific gravity of aluminum is given as an analogue of the pressure force of X-ray photons at the epicenter of a thermonuclear explosion with a radius of 1 meter. Knowing the pressure force of one photon, we can calculate the number of X-ray photons that pass through the surface area of ​​a sphere of radius 10 in 14 degrees meters or through the surface area of ​​the integrated circuit 10x10 cm.

                    PS I apologize: the surface area of ​​the sphere changes in proportion to the square, and not the cube of the radius.
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          How much how much? laughing
  13. kunstkammer 10 September 2019 19: 37 New
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    Confrontation with reality can be shocking and psyche-breaking for them.

    What a pessimist you are. Indeed, the very next day, the American working class will raise a proletarian uprising with the slogan: Hands off the world's first free Vekselberg and Abramovich state!
    I remember ... passed ...
  14. Constructor68 10 September 2019 20: 31 New
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    Despite the relevance of the topic of the article, the silly form of its submission by the author is not clear. A kind of attempt with banter with elements of trolling. The author, if he himself belonged to an objectively minded category of citizens, he would understand that the Internet community has long been divided into two approximately equal in number camps: cheers and patriots. Both those and others do not shine with knowledge of the topic, but compensate for this with boiling energy and reciprocal revenue (getting lost in flocks and attacking single opponents). These two camps have been fighting for a long time with their victories and losses) And only a very small part of the audience give more or less balanced estimates.
    This is a pragmatic picture. It is a pity that the author forgot about it and climbed into this confrontation.
    1. Alien From 11 September 2019 03: 11 New
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      Interestingly, this post you attract someone ??
      1. Constructor68 11 September 2019 09: 48 New
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        Interestingly, this post you attract someone ??

        Why should I attract? I expressed my opinion?
        1. Alien From 11 September 2019 09: 53 New
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          Meant of "all-scribblers" or "cheers of patriots"?))))
          1. Constructor68 11 September 2019 09: 56 New
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            I do not care. The judgment did not concern their positions, but reproached the author that he began to play their games instead of impartial presentation.
  15. stalki 10 September 2019 20: 44 New
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    In fact, the passage taken by the author is lying around a lot, and begins in many sources with words about American intelligence, which is concerned about the successful testing of this missile and fears the destruction of the US satellites, this is an approximate context, not verbatim. So most likely this is a stuffing and has nothing to do with urapatriots.
    1. wehr 10 September 2019 22: 43 New
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      But it is propagated precisely by cheers.
      If this was done by experts on the psychological war in the Pentagon, then they should pay tribute to the fiction and flair of the audience.
      1. stalki 11 September 2019 14: 32 New
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        But it is propagated precisely by cheers.
        If this was done by experts on the psychological war in the Pentagon, then they should pay tribute to the fiction and flair of the audience.
        Yes, but the meaning of the throw-in is clearly not designed for idiots, but for the movement of opinions and the information catch. Everything else is secondary.
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          But it is propagated precisely by cheers.

          For me it’s better to be a patriot cheer than a US patriot! ) Or a liberalist in general ..) In the Pentagon, there are specialists for whom you give tribute! And we have so .. quilted jackets huh?)))
          We will consider your Pentagon someday)) With their vaunted, but useless even against the Hussite subsonic blanks, Patriots and Ajis))
  16. Old26 10 September 2019 21: 07 New
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    Quote: Dmitry Potapov
    The author, and if theoretically, “Nudol” acts as a booster block delivering other rockets into orbit that continue to move further on the principle of “Dagger” and MIG-31?

    Unfortunately no. Well, firstly, "Nudol" is a system MISSILE DEFENSEdesigned entirely for other tasks.
    Secondly, the mass-dimensional characteristics of this rocket are unlikely to bring something very heavy into low orbit, which can then be used on the basis of the MIG-DAGGER principle. Even the Proton, with its almost 2 ton starting weight, is capable of casting a satellite to a geostationary station exclusively with the help of an acceleration unit and for a sufficiently large period of time

    Quote: E.S.
    And who promised to shoot down satellites on GSO Nudolya ???
    This is of course a good way to attribute to the opponent an idiotic thesis and refute it with brilliance, but here it is somehow even without brilliance, for example, an estimate of the required weight to be cast is not clear from where.
    And, yes, we saw a picture of an expert turning into a pumpkin on Day 8.8.8. on the example of gr. Felgenhauer, who promised Georgian tanks almost in Volgograd

    The most interesting thing, Sergey, I perfectly understand the author of the article and what prompted him to write this article. He himself read several such opuses several times, where, in all seriousness, the question of the possibility of hitting the satellites of the navigation system by Nudol was considered. You know how everything is going on here. We learned about the real range of the "Caliber" - almost dozens of articles about who and where we can hit. And the headlines fit - “Caliber” will sweep the American fleet from the expanses of the oceans "(and the like). A dagger has appeared - cheer-patriotic" articles "have appeared that it is a" superbunderwaffe "against which the Americans have no protection. Then came “Vanguard”, “Poseidon”, “Zircon.” And to become like a carbon copy. The authors of such articles did not even take the trouble to deal with the topic they are writing about. That’s the same with “Nudole”

    Quote: NEXUS
    The author, not even knowing approximately the technical characteristics of Nudol, talks about some heights, ranges and capabilities of this missile defense. A very strange article ... which warhead will the A-235 carry? What is the principle of intercepting a target? With bcc or thanks to the bullet-in-bullet system? What is actually known in fact about the A-235 really? What is there to talk about?

    About TTX "Nudoli", Andrei, can be judged by indirect evidence. In particular, on the range. No one bothers to apply empirical formulas for the ratio of the height of the lesion and the distance in order to understand what approximately the characteristics are in terms of RANGE and REACH. In addition, it is unlikely that anything has changed en masse in the missile defense launchers of the A-135M system. The whole Internet would be buzzing about this and there would be dozens, if not hundreds of photos. After all, there are photographs of the basing places of the same "Relight", but from the missile defense zone PU - silence. Grave. Therefore, it is indirectly possible to judge some performance characteristics and the dimensions of the “product”
    What warhead will the A-235 carry? It is difficult to say, but there were a lot of publications, which is not excluded and kinetic interception. Especially on 53T6M products. Nevertheless, nuclear explosions over its own territory, albeit at an altitude and low power, are still not ice, as they say. The principle of interception of goals? And something changes on what the warhead is, well, unless in one case a certain slip is allowed, but in the other case not.
    In fact, enough is known about the entire system. And you can reason in principle. And the author raised the right question, in the sense of giving us materials about the next system "which has no analogues"

    Quote: O. Bender
    I may be mistaken, but the spacecraft on the GSO figuratively hangs in one place. The distance to it, albeit 25000 km on average, is also not small, but it is essentially motionless, unable to maneuver, such a standing target.

    Not figuratively speaking, but in reality they are motionless relative to a point on the surface of the Earth.
    The range to them is not an average of 25000 km, but 36000 km. Dimensions Well, still relatively small. Most often, a navigation satellite is a cube with SB panels and antennas. At least two faces of the cube have dimensions up to 3 meters. Not without the possibility of maneuvering. There is an engine and some fuel supply, and there have been cases when such a satellite changed its standing point. But in this case, his orbit is circular, about 20 km

    Quote: O. Bender
    What prevents delivering a combat module to it? The upper stage, the second stage for working outside the atmosphere, and the third stage are the actual killer combat module.

    In principle, nothing prevents. Well, maybe just a "convention." Remember what happened in Arbatov when Panikovsky, violating the "convention" instead of Mordovia, invaded the feeding zone of Shura Balaganov. laughing
    Each of the parties is allocated certain standing points at the geostationary station and an attempt to place something near in-1 will lead to the satellite’s withdrawal, and in-2 will lead to scandal if this is repeated many times

    Quote: O. Bender
    To catch and destroy the module is the enemy’s task, which means that the characteristics of the anti-missile should be an order of magnitude higher, which, in my opinion, is simply not technically feasible, because before you chase the killer of satellites, you must figure out the killer, te classify it, make a decision, make start.

    Technically possible, but very expensive. This will not be a certain anti-missile, but a full-fledged launch vehicle, and I’m afraid that it’s a heavy class. Others may simply not have enough throwing weight. In addition, we and they launch satellites into various orbits. We are most often with an inclination of the order of 40-50 degrees, they are of the order of 30. To overcome this, change the inclination of the orbit and it takes a lot of resources. And detection and classification - this has long been done by all space powers, at least by Russia (USSR) and the USA - is exactly 100%

    Quote: O. Bender
    And this time, even if relatively small 5 ... 10 min. but then it’s also necessary to catch up! The only question is whether there really are such anti-geostationary

    Well, about 10 minutes, I think you’re in a bit of a hurry. Approximately as much will take the launch into orbit. Plus a flight to the desired orbit (not in a straight line). So it’s very, very difficult, practically impossible to shoot down a satellite in high orbits, and even more so at a geostationary ballistic missile. unless pre-deduced killer satellites can be used, but even then, the enemy should not be underestimated

    Quote: Mantrid
    in order to bring down satellites, the USSR was developing the Energy / Skiff link (the demonstrator was, Pole), this program needs to be reanimated. Although maybe Nudol is it it, or something similar?

    In addition to Skif, the USSR also had anti-satellite systems, the so-called ISs are satellite fighters. It is not yet possible to revive the Energy-Skif program. The carrying capacity of the carriers will need at least 70-80 tons, which is not yet available, unless in the distant future
    “Nudol” is not the same, and not even similar. This is a long-range interceptor missile. But intercepting warheads, not satellites

    Quote: Amateur
    with a target satellite at a distance at which it can be effectively destroyed by kinetic damaging elements.

    And why kinetic? And not high-explosive or cumulative? recourse recourse

    High or cumulative? In space ??? Okay, they would have written another fragmentation warhead, it would be at least understandable, but explosive and cumulative in space - this is not even funny ...
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      High or cumulative? In space ???

      The only satellite interception system in the world adopted for armament, IS, made up of maneuvering IS spacecraft with high-explosive fragmentation warheads.
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      No, I wasn’t in a hurry, and the time was 10 minutes, I indicated it as the time needed to make a decision on destruction, that is, BEFORE the launch. And yet, yes, still flying time to the target. And about the violation of the conventions, if the decision to destroy goals, then the dismantling stage is over and landing is already a consequence and not a cause.
    3. Sanichsan 12 September 2019 16: 55 New
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      Technically possible, but very expensive. This will not be a certain anti-missile, but a full-fledged launch vehicle, and I’m afraid that it’s a heavy class.

      Well, it seems like it’s technically turned out to be much simpler and cheaper to jam or distort the satellite signal at the scene.
      Quote: Old26
      Each of the parties is allocated certain standing points at the geostationary station and an attempt to place something near in-1 will lead to the satellite’s withdrawal, and in-2 will lead to scandal if this is repeated many times

      Duc has recently been such a scandal .. about the Russian satellites for cleaning orbits. the states shouted about the evil Russian satellites dropping from their orbits, and ours denied that they said they were cleaning up the garbage. no exact data. conspiracy theology so far ...
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      We are most often with an inclination of about 40-50 degrees, they are about 30.

      I would be very surprised if there is no project for launching containers with striking elements into their orbit. I think they also have a similar project. in a couple of weeks in orbit, debris will fly instead of satellites.
  17. Aliken 10 September 2019 21: 11 New
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    Good show-offs are also money.
  18. Gayver 10 September 2019 21: 55 New
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    The capabilities of the A-235 are not enough to deliver to this orbit a warhead sufficient to guarantee the destruction of a rather large communications or navigation satellite. Let's say that to throw 730 kg of payload on a GSO requires a missile comparable to the Japanese H-II missile, with a launch weight of 289 tons. Nudol is much more modest: according to published data, its starting weight is 9,6 tons. So, “Nudol” will simply not reach the communication and navigation satellites
    So I'm wondering how the SM-3 Block IIA with a mass of 1500 kg flies to an altitude of 1500 km and Nudol with a mass of 9,6 tons flies to an altitude of up to 800 km?
    1. Town Hall 10 September 2019 22: 15 New
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      So I'm wondering how the SM-3 Block IIA with a mass of 1500 kg flies to an altitude of 1500 km

      And who told you that the SM-3 flies to an altitude of 1500 km? ... You were brutally deceived ..
      1. Gayver 11 September 2019 07: 39 New
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        Well, from Wikipedia, who would correct laughing
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          I’m telling you .. they severely deceived. 250/300 km of the SM-3 ceiling. GBI are rising at 1500. And there is almost a dozen tons rocket.

          Missile production is carried out by the Boeing Integrated Defense Systems division. A missile is a three-stage solid-fuel carrier, designed to bring into the near-Earth space a kinetic interceptor - the main striking element of the system. The length of the rocket is 16,8 meters, the curb weight is 12,7 tons.

          At the first stage of the rocket, the Alliant Tech Orion 50SXLG solid-fuel engine was installed with a thrust of 441 KN, the second - Alliant Tech Orion 50XL with a thrust of up to 153 KN and the third - Alliant Tech Orion 38, with a thrust of 32 KN. The estimated range of the rocket varies depending on the height of the trajectory and ranges from 2000 to 5500 km. Maximum launch height - 2000 km
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  20. Ocelot 10 September 2019 22: 41 New
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    Quote: Designer 68
    The online community has long been divided into two approximately equal in number camps: cheers and patriots. Both those and others do not shine with knowledge of the topic, but compensate for it with boiling energy and a return

    You can’t say better good
  21. Radikal 10 September 2019 22: 42 New
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    The author of the article - Respect! good hi
  22. bunta 10 September 2019 23: 28 New
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    Why shoot down satellites if you can disable a control center with one missile. Or send distorting corrective information to satellites?
  23. Mityay65 11 September 2019 00: 48 New
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    Auto RU Respect and Hyp-Hyp Hurray !!
    Do not drop the topic of anti-satellite weapons. 3 MV will be conducted not by tank divisions, not by aircraft carriers and not by armies of stealth.
    Strategic weapons will decide everything: nuclear weapons, missile defense and missile defense.
    But no one will dare to use nuclear weapons, the missile defense system will accordingly operate on low-orbit satellites (Nudol and S-400 (rumored)), and the main battle will be high in the sky on anti-satellite systems ...
    Whoever defeats her and makes the enemy blind and deaf will win 3 MV.
    And in the conditions of the geostrategic deadlock in which we are, this is a chance ..
  24. Yujiko 11 September 2019 06: 28 New
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    Oh, an article with a sober, critical look on this site is good.
    And the last time you read (especially comments on articles) - as if you eat sugar candy, they also stuff them in your ears.
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      and even constructive criticism terribly minus .. for example, the warrior wow constantly gets
  25. armata_armata 11 September 2019 07: 11 New
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    Well, the fact that the missile defense was not designed to hit satellites, I think it’s initially clear that they wouldn’t write there, but in fact the A-235 is a system developed in the 80s and its main purpose is to intercept ballistic means of attack, can it destroy the satellites are probably using special warheads with a nuclear charge, maybe some satellites will be able to display in a small radius, but as far as I understand, such tests were not carried out (if corrected)
    ps and of course a huge + article, and lately it has been turning from an objective VO site into a "cheers-patriotic" portal (yes, the word patriotic is not very applicable here, but this trend will be followed by the designation of this phenomenon of hatred)
  26. whitepike 11 September 2019 07: 13 New
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    Another duck, sucked from a finger .... not obsessively obsessing everything that ours and praising someone else's. Why don’t you look like everything doesn't fly, doesn't go, but buys the floor of the world. Our military-industrial complex did not when it did not disclose the true performance characteristics of priority types of weapons. So you can guess as much as you want. I do not recommend to far-sighted readers to soberly evaluate such scribblers and not to do not yet comprehensible posts.
  27. Jurkovs 11 September 2019 07: 14 New
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    The question is so complex that almost any analytics slides into one-sidedness and superficiality. Well, there is no need to simultaneously shoot down all US intelligence satellites. It’s enough to shoot down only those that are above our territory at the time of the missile attack, so that cruise missile aiming systems switch to inertial tracking. And so on throughout the list of threats.
  28. Spambox 11 September 2019 08: 20 New
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    Quote: Mityai65
    P / S Many years ago I dreamed that one drinking companion of my kunak saw a man at dawn who heard from the corner of his ear

    Thank you so much, you made my day, ride under the table laughing
    1. Oleg1 11 September 2019 11: 26 New
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      According to Western estimates, a missile of this type can hit targets in space within a radius of about 1500 km from the start and at an altitude of up to 800 km. Probably, these estimates are close to the truth, since a comparison with existing missiles is usually used to assess the capabilities of new missiles. Even the geometrical dimensions of a rocket can provide some idea of ​​its capabilities. That is, a rocket can destroy a satellite in low Earth orbit.
      You don’t need to know anything else about the quality of the author’s analytics ... evaluates the TTX product of which, under the signature of OB, based on data from the brazen Western media, I doubt that even their intelligence knows the TTX of the rocket ...
      IMHO full of trash ...
  29. Zhevlonenko 11 September 2019 11: 14 New
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    In principle, I did not understand why the author wrote the article, this is pure graphomania. I’ll come up with a myth from a series and dispel it myself. Nudol, in principle, was not intended to bring down satellites. It can reach low Earth orbits up to 400 km. And about GPS in general there was no question. Why when there is spoofing.
  30. KJIETyc 11 September 2019 15: 50 New
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    Was the author born yesterday? Why these naive, unnecessary, obvious opuses? Welcome to 2019, where every sandpiper praises its swamp, its Japanese, its Chinese, its Americans, its Russians, etc. Who needs facts and figures? Students commenting on all this, having difficulty mastering the alphabet? Hiley likes, we will defeat everyone, in America v trust, etc.
  31. E.S. 11 September 2019 15: 50 New
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    Quote: E.S.
    And who promised to shoot down satellites on GSO Nudolya ???

    Our propaganda. “According to the channel’s information, the tests took place in December 2018. The missile flew about 3 thousand kilometers and hit the target, reaching it in 17 minutes. According to the creators, the system should be able to intercept ballistic missiles, as well as military spacecraft. Http: / /ren.tv/novosti/2019-01-19/v-ssha-zayavili-chto-rossiyskaya-raketa-sistemy-nudol-preodolela-3-tys-km-za-17 "missile launched by the Nudol system, for 17 minutes flew over 2000 km and reached the goal. At the Pentagon, Nudol is seen as a missile defense system that could threaten US satellites in orbit "https://www.rbc.ru/politics/19/01/2019/5c425b579a794775cbda037f

    And, of course, as I thought, you yourself imagined to shoot down GPS satellites, obviously having forgotten about other satellites.
    And, meanwhile, knock out the eye of Ki Holu at an altitude of 300 km Nudoli in the field for forces
  32. Protos 11 September 2019 16: 01 New
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    Damantsev can move over, and so everyone recognized you! laughing
  33. Yar_Vyatkin 11 September 2019 16: 25 New
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    What is the article about, I still do not understand? Nudol is a long-range inter-atmospheric interception missile and anti-satellite, too. Against low orbit spacecraft. And Petrel (that RPS that shone under the belly of the MiG-31) - too. And 77H6 from C-500. And a number of other anti-satellite systems, too. For spacecraft in orbits up to the GSO, other means are intended. As for the GPS SNS KA - they do not need to be knocked down either. With them, EW does what it wants. Any weapon has its own goals, the absolute does not exist. And Peresvet, by the way, also
    1. Mityay65 11 September 2019 18: 05 New
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      With them, EW does what he wants

      You greatly overestimate the capabilities of electronic warfare.
      In addition, the range of all EW systems is limited, or do you mean the global satellite system for EW? lol This has not yet been created, although the idea is amusing ...
      GPS satellites will have to be beaten, including to bring the national economy of the adversary into a state of stupor without the use of nuclear weapons. This is in the preparatory period before the war. EW does not help here, its action is local.
      Calculations show that for partial GPS failure, it is necessary to destroy about 40% of the spacecraft. For guaranteed - 60%.
      1. meandr51 11 September 2019 19: 03 New
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        A strike on satellites will entail a US nuclear response, as they have already warned. Therefore, you must immediately hit the United States. Then they don’t need GPS either ...
        1. Mityay65 11 September 2019 19: 28 New
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          you have to hit immediately in the USA

          The task is to avoid the exchange of nuclear strikes and convince the enemy to take a step back, rather than start a nuclear war and commit suicide ... am
          The Yankees are smart and cheerful. If they understand the situation, then we can do without armageddon.
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            In this case, single antisatellites will be needed. The massive sudden destruction of the satellite constellation will not work. You can’t hide a mass start. This is a big war.
            1. Mityay65 13 September 2019 02: 51 New
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              You can’t hide a mass start

              As I understand it, the whole trick lies in this - how to advance, long before an hour H, to covertly place ICs in orbits under the guise of garbage, spent steps, idle satellites, etc., and how to mask the beginning of the application.
              Well, and, accordingly, do not miss a similar enemy activity.
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  34. Anchonsha 11 September 2019 18: 15 New
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    That's right, the West acts consolidated in space. On the whole, the USA was ahead of us in importance in space, even if the United States can freely and anywhere in the world produce photos. We can do this, but we don’t have that many satellites. And in order to freely talk with the United States in space, you need to launch the same number of military satellites, as well as create a full-fledged GLONASS for the entire globe. So you need to work and work to catch up with NASA
  35. meandr51 11 September 2019 19: 01 New
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    Nobody thinks to bring down these 100 satellites. Because this is an act of total war, which will entail a nuclear response of the enemy. Therefore, the war will begin with a massive strike by all nuclear weapons, including space nuclear weapons, paralyzing GPS and other radio facilities at the right time. Whoever hits first will have more population and technology left.
  36. the same doctor 12 September 2019 10: 14 New
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    Will Nudol bring down a satellite ..?
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    To incapacitate a satellite, it is enough to bring a charge of 10 grams to it. Therefore, theoretically, any multi-stage system can do this. Here the question is not to missiles, but to guidance and control systems. In principle, even a MIG-31 rocket weighing a couple of tons can reach a satellite in geostationary orbit. We put 100 kg into orbit, at geostationary 10, 1 kg unit gets to the satellite, 100 grams explode - the Sabbath. It’s even easier for Nudoli, but the Americans, through their agents and grant pumps, will not allow us to develop appropriate technologies.
  37. Old26 12 September 2019 11: 07 New
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    In principle, even a MIG-31 rocket weighing a couple of tons can reach a satellite in geostationary orbit. We put 100 kg into orbit, at geostationary 10, 1 kg unit gets to the satellite, 100 grams explode - the Sabbath.

    If you brought 100 kg to DOE, then you won’t bring anything from the word at the geostationary station. Not to mention that 100 g of the piece will explode. And what will she do ??? The satellite will scare ???
    1. Old Man 12 September 2019 13: 44 New
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      even if it demolishes a part of the antenna, or slightly “corrects” after which the satellite becomes useless and “scared”, but in your calculations the error is a checker, it’s already a cloud of steam from two devices to get even bare taxiway at those speeds, and for a regular elliptical orbit you need half the energy than for the GSO, which greatly changes the matter.
      1. Mityay65 12 September 2019 16: 55 New
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        [Quote]for ordinary elliptical orbit[/ Quote]
        The target will perform a maneuver of evasion, collapse and deploy solar panels, change the albedo, there will be no radio guidance in conditions of war from the Earth.
        Then it will be necessary to equip the IS with a full-fledged homing system + powerful approach and orientation energy along all axes with the corresponding fuel supply, for an intermediate orbit correction you will need a rather powerful long-range radar that can hit somewhere over 5 km. + to her a source of energy. How do you imagine that?
        And is it all one-time, for one purpose? An elliptical orbit will allow you to attack only one target at a time.
  38. Old Man 12 September 2019 13: 37 New
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    The article “smiled” with its ignorance, and with unsuccessful attempts to compare the incomparable ... 300-400kg to “bring down” 300-400kg of a satellite, does that turn out to knock out a tank, by this “analogy” do we need a PTO weighing 50 tons? But in order to bring down a global master weighing 300 tons, we will be forced to build a pepelats with a similar weight? and otherwise in any way, according to the author. The 300-400kg device on the GSO is already some kind of space-dreadnought that will be able to systematically saw everything in its path. Unlike connected satellites, he doesn’t need huge batteries, kilowatts of power in the antenna, but a space-grinder will be enough, and he may already be next to the victim machine. But the owner of the device will be strongly opposed.

    And, yes, Nudol is a missile defense system, but not an anti-satellite weapon, as everyone here noted.
  39. Old26 12 September 2019 18: 23 New
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    Well, it seems like it’s technically turned out to be much simpler and cheaper to jam or distort the satellite signal at the scene.

    It is still about destroying satellites. And yes, signal distortion is probably easier to achieve than destroying a GPS satellite

    Quote: SanichSan
    Duc has recently been such a scandal .. about the Russian satellites for cleaning orbits. the states shouted about the evil Russian satellites dropping from their orbits, and ours denied that they said they were cleaning up the garbage. no exact data. conspiracy theology so far ...

    Particular but yes

    Quote: SanichSan
    I would be very surprised if there is no project for launching containers with striking elements into their orbit. I think they also have a similar project. in a couple of weeks in orbit, debris will fly instead of satellites.

    Frankly, there isn’t much point in this. The density of the parasitic elements can be such that more than one satellite passes between them quietly. One thing is the scheme by which our ICs operated. That is, the approach to a distance of about 1 km to the satellite and the detonation of the warhead from about 15 thousand balls. Directional detonation. And another "spray" container with striking elements. Randomly
  40. Rus2012 14 September 2019 18: 29 New
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    the fight is not with enemy satellites, but with ballistic missiles, with their warheads.

    ... and that's it? :) ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))). ))))
    But what about low-orbit satellites for various purposes, opto / radar ... drums in the end ?! ;)
  41. Rus2012 14 September 2019 18: 32 New
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    Signal distortion is probably easier to achieve than destroying a GPS satellite.

    ... in wartime (or in a special period) - it’s easier to demolish the MCC (business - “Petrels” at the right time at the same time, and they won’t have time to pick up their warning systems),
    for it takes a long time to get to the geostationary.
    Or prepare in advance, i.e. next to the companions of the adversary graze their own. And at the hour "XX = XX" do "circumcision" ...
  42. Rus2012 14 September 2019 18: 47 New
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    Therefore, the war will begin with a massive strike by all nuclear weapons, including space nuclear weapons

    Why immediately MRES?
    “Petrels” and “Poseidons” give Russia a chance at a preemptive permanent strike on the “nerve cells” of reptilians ... and it's in the hat. All you need is a decisive PPR ...
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    The author is apparently a liberal
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    Quote: Rus2012
    ... in wartime (or in a special period) - it’s easier to demolish the MCC (business - “Petrels” at the right time at the same time, and they won’t have time to pick up their warning systems),

    Probably easier, but the question is specifically about the rocket, and not about whether it is possible or not to destroy the MCC
    Well, the Petrels. let's not talk about them yet. When at least there will be successful trials voiced, then we'll talk. It’s very difficult to hit the same “petrels” at the same time

    Quote: Rus2012
    Or prepare in advance, i.e. next to the companions of the adversary graze their own. And at the hour "XX = XX" do "circumcision" ...

    Provided that they are suckers and will not make any efforts to counter the threat

    Quote: Rus2012
    “Petrels” and “Poseidons” give Russia a chance at a preemptive permanent strike on the “nerve cells” of reptilians ... and it's in the hat.

    Hurray can you already scream ???
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      You can already scream

      Hurray - after our Victory (and throw caps in the air) ...;)
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    Our media quite often write something that needs to be divided in the mind by ten, or even more. And even complete nonsense, and not only on military topics. Not so long ago Glance wrote Russia builds new ships to develop the Arcticwhere, in an enthusiastic manner, he said that the Vostochnaya shipyard plant in Primorye launched a tanker with a deadweight of 1600 tons. The news is news, and for the Eastern Shipyard, which had not previously built anything larger than 1000 tons, this is truly an achievement. A look "from this concludes that Russian shipbuilding is in the leading world positions: EThis event is of great importance not only for the development of the domestic shipbuilding industry and the development of the Northern Sea Route. It shows Russia's technological superiority in this area.. But it’s only from the article that it becomes known that the bookmark (the beginning of construction) happened already in 2015. That is, the construction has been going on for 5 years, and “launched” does not mean at all that it has already been accepted by the customer. Judging by the photo from the scene, the tanker does not yet have a superstructure, which means there are no ship rooms, cabins, a bridge with all the equipment ... in short, there is still plowing and plowing. The author of the article is not aware that the article, in fact, is an example of anti-advertising, because in neighboring China a vessel of such characteristics would be built in 7-8 months. True, the order came from our Moscow region, and it is in a hurry.
  47. Welcome to hell 18 September 2019 22: 17 New
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    On the one hand, the article is very interesting, but on the other hand there are no official performance characteristics of Nudol yet, there are a couple of videos with his smart start from the mine. So we will wait for its adoption.
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    to bring down satellites, there are inspectors maneuvering satellites, simply satellites and banal "buckets with bolts" that can be scattered in the corresponding orbits with any civilian missile ... and there is a reb on the ground for cutting down jeepies. Cho come up with all kinds of chukhna about the downing of satellites by a missile defense and then write which jeepies are very powerful. an hour after the start of the war, it will be conducted by the survivors after using yao .. in a severe bayonet attack, and a week later, hungry civilians with each other on fists and sticks
  49. pavelpavel 22 September 2019 15: 24 New
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    "One swallow is not spring yet!". Do not forget about the traitors Nabiullina, Siluanova and further on the list.
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    To destroy the satellite 730 kg load? The author is raving.