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Criminally punishable patriotism, or the New Iron Curtain

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Against the general background, one event somehow modestly took place, which could very well become a brick in the new wall of the “iron curtain” of the future. Everything goes to that, but let's take it in order.


3 September 2019 of the year at the airport in Naples, local police detained the top manager of United Engine Corporation Alexander Korshunov.

Criminally punishable patriotism, or the New Iron Curtain


The reason for the arrest was an arrest warrant issued in the United States. It is clear that the Italians promptly carried out the “face!” Command and detained Korshunov.

In principle, he is to blame. History trite, as I do not know what.

Firstly, since February 2014, a list of various anti-Russian sanctions has been in force, which is annually updated and supplemented. Both the USA and their satellites.

Secondly, do not forget that there are still prohibitive lists against both specific people and government officials, positions and companies.

Therefore, the Italian police acted quite normally at the request of their ... let's call them "general partners." Naturally, an international arrest warrant was also valid in Italy without the slightest doubt.

And what does the USA charge with Korshunov?

Economic espionage. Across the ocean, it is believed that during the period from 2009 to 2017, Korshunov was engaged in the theft of intellectual property from General Electric. The thefts concerned information on the company's developments, which later could supposedly be used in the construction of the Russian PD-14 engine.

Yes, the very one that should bring to the world stage MS-21.

As it becomes clear, engineer Korshunov himself has absolutely nothing to do with it. And all these frauds and tricks are directed not so much against the cunning spy manager as against Rostec.

Strange, but, in general, the Americans so stubbornly puffed out their cheeks, telling how they are afraid of no one, and Rostec can be taken seriously only by elementary school students.

And suddenly such a turn ...

Apparently, according to US economic intelligence, the engine really came out successful. And MS-21 can become a real competitor in the market. This means that the competitor must be “flunked” at the taxi, not allowing takeoff.

And in such games, the fate of some kind of manager is worth very little.

When Korshunov arrives in the United States (namely, “when”, and not “if”), then, as we already know from the experience of not only our compatriot, it will smell like a solid term. But again I emphasize that this is not the saddest thing.

I think that the United States will completely begin to block both PD-14 and MS-21 on the basis of copyright infringement, unlicensed copying, theft of documents and even the hell knows what. But they will begin.

The main task will be to block the issuance of international certification of both the engine and the aircraft. So what is next? And then everything is simple. MS-21 will remain on the ground, or it will be assigned the role of a regional aircraft, unable to fly beyond Russia.

So, goodbye to the international market, goodbye to the opportunity to recoup the money invested and so on.

Although the Russian air transportation market is a very, very fatty piece, if properly prepared. It would be a desire. But cunning kids from Boeing and Airbus can reach here too.

But the point is not even how it is customary in the USA to deal with competitors or in what way profit is made. Everything here is not very beautiful, just fewer opportunities. Although, as you see, I doubt that in the USA they will ban plastic containers for beer in order to compensate for the financial losses to the “producer” of aluminum. They have not yet grown up to this.

Leave the economic side of what is happening and take on the human side.

In our country, such a thing as discussion of lists has been going on for a long time. No, not those who may fall under direct or indirect sanctions of the Americans and their satellites. And for those who live in Europe and the USA, children and relatives study and work.

And this list will be more than the first.

The most interesting thing is that the "patriots" do not comment on these facts, they simply accuse the opposition of excessive activity.

The pro-government media are actively discussing the topic that, they say, many returned to Russia and thereby seem to have pulled their relatives in power out of attack.

Check these statements is simply unrealistic, you understand. But here the question is a bit different.

How really “vulnerable” are these very Russian elites organizing their offspring and relatives abroad? And they themselves are quite normally acquiring real estate in other countries.

Nobody forces a government official to buy a house in Spain, right? Or an apartment in London? And put your child in it? Yes, it is unlikely that someone signs the contracts with blood and sends relatives to host Germany as hostages?

Or is this still the case?

Well, how else can it be explained that among the Orthodox and very seriously demonstrating patriotism and love for Russia, relatives quite often live in countries that introduce new and new sanctions against the beloved Russia?

Of course, it is clear that, in the opinion of such "patriots", of whom, unfortunately, the government and the State Duma are composed, the so-called normal life is possible where it is acceptable, but not in Russia. Therefore, Europe and other regions are considered by the "patriots" as a kind of sleeping area. But in Russia, you can, let's just say, just work. For the good of the family and so on.

Cosmopolitans? People of the world? Quite a yes.

And, actually, what to demand from them? Rejection of a beautiful European life? In exchange for the Russian? Well, excuse me, this mom and dad have some kind of obligations to the country as a whole or the president in particular.

And in particular, each of these ... Well, they are free people and simply exercise their right to live as they please and wherever they want. And the rest can go through the forest and field, if they do not understand the difference between Monaco and Sochi, the Cote d'Azur and the South Coast.

To each, as they say, his own. And in order to be convinced of this, it’s enough just to familiarize yourself with the blogs and all kinds of “... grams” of these representatives of the “golden youth”.

But this case with Korshunov shows quite clearly that times have changed a bit. And tomorrow they will be able to arrest not only because you supposedly got something there in favor of your country (this is at least an honorable thing), but because you just have someone sitting somewhere well. In terms of position, of course.



And three times it’s worth now to think so much of a civil servant loving abroad about the fact that a visit to the Cote d'Azur or there to Naples (as an example) may end in a slightly different scenario. San Quentin, Guantanamo Bay and Sing Sing are other hotels.

Especially when it comes to interstate showdowns or wars of transcontinental corporations. They generally will not look at persons and surnames.

And even stutter (although some speak in a voice and do not blush) that the "state is obliged to protect" its pseudo-citizens who have fallen into such an unpleasant situation for themselves ...

Not protect. And citizens like Korshunov, working for the good of the country, will not be protected either.

More precisely, just can not do it. Because Russia is not the United States, and the United States was far from always able to send its aircraft carriers and marines to rescue. So - they will sit. Mingazov, Booth, Yaroshenko, Kuzmin are sitting? And the rest will sit.

Just because if in the USA they said: “It is necessary!”, Then I just don’t know how to break through with a crowbar.

On the other hand, what about the “2 Iron Curtain” here?

Apparently, yes. And first of all, for those who are not on the TOM list, and who should have been grabbed and planted without fail. Bortnikov on the list, so what? It was necessary to fly to the United States on business - and flew. And no one there even meowed on the topic that he should be grabbed and knitted. Not a single kitten from the NSA, the CIA, the FBI and other abbreviations.

But who is NOT listed ... Who has the opportunity to "see the world" ... No, they say, from the windows in Guantanamo you can also see the world. Well, those who have windows.

Korshunov was taken in Naples. Buta in thailand. Kuzmina in the USA. Selezneva in the Maldives. Zdorovenina in Switzerland. Ustinova in Lithuania. Panin in the USA.

As the character of one cartoon would say, "the whole world is widely represented." Hence only one conclusion: nowhere, except for countries openly friendly to Russia, you can not be sure of their own security.

And given the no work of our embassies, the lack of aircraft carriers and other things ...

It turns out such an interesting alignment: or are you a patriot working for the good of the country, and then the resorts of the Krasnodar Territory and Crimea are all yours. Well, still Turkey, probably. If you are not a patriot ...

And in this case, you can’t be sure that they won’t grab the soft parts of the body and put them on a hard bench in the courtroom.

It is worth considering that in this form the “Iron Curtain” may become a new occasion for the love of Russia and the emergence of real patriotism.

Even to the detriment of the desires of a certain part of the population of Russia to “see the world” and “to rest humanly”.

That's for sure, Europe will help us.
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  1. andrewkor
    andrewkor 10 September 2019 05: 44 New
    +14
    Personally for me and my family the best vacation with my beloved mother-in-law, I mean it! Let her rest in peace and the Kingdom of heaven in addition!
    All her vacations in Barnaul on the South.
    During the winter holidays, I drove children, mastered skis, skates, ice slides. You can eat pine forest air with spoons. Oh, it was a little time!
    1. Alena Frolovna
      Alena Frolovna 10 September 2019 12: 59 New
      +12
      Personally for me and my family the best vacation with my beloved mother-in-law, I seriously!
      During the winter holidays I drove children, mastered skis, skates, ice slides.



      But there were times when people who had at least a small touch of important state affairs, whether it was weapons, the country's security and others, could not leave the country. And it was right: nothing threatened their life and freedom, like their relatives.

      There are so many wonderful and secluded places in Russia that enough for the whole human life is more than enough. No, you have to show your belly to foreigners.

      And now the Foreign Ministry is to blame for the fact that Korshunov was taken somewhere under little white hands.
      1. wlkw
        wlkw 10 September 2019 20: 42 New
        +4
        To relax in Russia, you need to be a rich person, cheaper abroad ....
    2. matross
      matross 10 September 2019 17: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: andrewkor
      Personally for me and my family the best vacation with my beloved mother-in-law

      It's fine. Especially if the family agrees with you ... That's just no offense, but is there anything to compare? Have you been anywhere else?
      I support the thesis that secret bearers cannot be left, but the rest, conditionally peaceful ... cannot be prohibited. Does the experience of the USSR not teach us? They were forbidden then to collapse. Including, of course ... this is IMHO hi
  2. samarin1969
    samarin1969 10 September 2019 05: 51 New
    +19
    That's exactly the "question of questions" .... About the vulnerability (dependence) of the families of the "elite" from the anger of the United States. The US Secretary of Defense quite definitely demanded that the Russian Federation behave "normally." What will decide "in the upper floors"? Indeed, no one will tell the truth, and no one will ask our opinion.

    A certain "curtain" of Russia would not hurt. It is immediately clear who is “their own” and who is “an unconditional opponent”. In addition to useful technologies, a lot of abominations come from behind the curtain: infections, terrorism, radicalism, uncontrolled competitors in the labor market, contagion for fields and vegetable gardens, contrived lifestyle and thoughts, financial speculators, agents of influence, uncritical imports ...
    Let there be a "curtain"!
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 10 September 2019 07: 48 New
      +15
      Quote: samarin1969
      Let there be a "curtain"!

      I, too, do not mind how much! Let there be a curtain, maybe then the "patriots" will start to think about it .. Yes, something tells us that they’ll soon move there and they’ll give out all state secrets ..
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 10 September 2019 07: 51 New
      +19
      who are “their own” and who are “unconditional adversary”.
      photos from Europe. where Gref gives Europeans loans at 2% to you a little. And there are many such examples. When such patriots rush into the Duma and everywhere where the smell of free money.
      1. your1970
        your1970 10 September 2019 12: 44 New
        +12
        Quote: Gardamir
        py. where Gref gives Europeans loans at 2% to you a little. And such examples
        there are no people in Europe who will take a loan at Sberbank at 16%, no ... if everyone gives around at 3 .....
        Therefore, Sberbank gives under these pennies. Catching up with us, we have nowhere to go ....
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 10 September 2019 18: 44 New
          +1
          Quote: your1970
          there are no people in Europe who will take a loan at Sberbank at 16%, no ... if everyone gives around at 3 ...

          But what does he, Sberbank, need in general in Europe? Work at home
          1. your1970
            your1970 10 September 2019 18: 47 New
            +1
            Actually, it’s necessary, development is called. Re-credit and a bunch of goodies, it’s a bank ... albeit a bad one ...
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 10 September 2019 20: 22 New
              -2
              Quote: your1970
              Re-credit and a bunch of goodies, he's a bank ...

              I think that due to this he receives loans, which he later offers us and at a much higher percentage.
              1. your1970
                your1970 10 September 2019 21: 22 New
                +1
                Quote: Silvestr
                Quote: your1970
                Re-credit and a bunch of goodies, he's a bank ...

                I think that due to this he receives loans, which he later offers us and at a much higher percentage.
                - estessno ... he's a bank - not charity ... I don’t remember something about banks giving interest-free loans
                Even in the USSR, in the savings bank, loans were not free - I don’t remember the percent, kill though, but they were
                1. restless
                  restless 10 September 2019 22: 19 New
                  0
                  In Japan and China, banks give loans to their citizens without interest, but only to their ....
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 10 September 2019 22: 40 New
                    0
                    Quote: restless
                    In Japan and China, banks give loans to their citizens no interestbut only to his ....
                    - even in the USSR there was no such thing .... well, there wasn’t ...
                    The only thing that comes to the mind of interest-free funds is mutual assistance, but these are not banks, this is our notion ...
                    ("Consumer credit in the USSR" (Publishing house "Knowledge", Moscow, 1983))
                    Loans for industrial goods (consumer lending) - 2%
                    Loans for the construction of individual residential buildings - from 1 to 2,7%
                    Loans to members of housing construction cooperatives to pay for a share - 2,7%
                    Loans for the purchase of durable goods - 5 - 6%
                    Loans with state subsidies to young spouses: for the purchase of an apartment - 1%, for equipment of an apartment - 2,5%
                    Personal loans (without specifying the purpose of use) - 8%
                    Loans for the construction and purchase of cottages - 8%.
                    1. Sasha ___
                      Sasha ___ 13 September 2019 04: 52 New
                      +1
                      So in Europe there is a negative discount rate, they already officially pay those who take loans. (banks overwind the commission, it goes just above 0)
          2. Igoresha
            Igoresha 11 September 2019 11: 36 New
            0
            Do you need to be in Europe?
            local patriots from Ukraine will not smoke it out of Ukraine, they will not taste it in the Crimea, and if it gives profit in Europe then what’s bad
      2. Rock616
        Rock616 10 September 2019 12: 52 New
        +8
        And Mr. Gref, what, patriot?!? Boo ha ha lol thank you have fun hi he doesn’t even try to hide that he is a Judas of the Russian land, although he’s “prudent”, since he is an ethnic German! yes
  3. Strashila
    Strashila 10 September 2019 05: 54 New
    +14
    What you expected. Fair competition is written only in liberal Western textbooks, in practice corruption and the law of the strong.
  4. Nikolay87
    Nikolay87 10 September 2019 06: 04 New
    +18
    "real patriotism" is more like protectionism. Doesn't it remind anyone? Yes, in any Western country such patriotism (cross out the last and read how nationalism) on the verge of fascism. It is not necessary to go far: the USA, Ukraine, the Baltic states, etc.
    Officials as they flew abroad will be so, they are not afraid of anything, if necessary they will sell their homeland, secrets. In addition to them, they have children and money in offshore, so they themselves gave their "eggs" to the hands of a potential extortionist. Is it worth waiting for righteous patriotism from them ?!
    I have with them "2 different Fatherland" as K. Semin said
    1. Rock616
      Rock616 10 September 2019 13: 04 New
      +1
      So at your K. Semin at the very egg in his hands, "exceptional" "light-elves" (wife and child, live in a puddle) hi
      1. Nikolay87
        Nikolay87 10 September 2019 14: 42 New
        -3
        Quote: Rock616
        So at your K. Semin at the very egg in his hands, "exceptional" "light-elves" (wife and child, live in a puddle) hi

        Semin only said with literate words what many people like (including me). Hanging all the dogs on him is wrong.
        Do you keep a candle in their family? During his career, Semin has toured extensively around the world, who knows why his family lives abroad.
  5. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 10 September 2019 06: 04 New
    +2
    only we do not arrange this curtain. and whose top was taken ... judging by his skills and positions, he is not a carrier of technical secrets, and this is a frank and rather vulgar attempt to denigrate a competitor. we are driven into this curtain already openly and it is clearly visible. and it is not a matter of patriotism at all or something else, but simply lawlessness. everything that happens is getting stronger and stronger like tantrums for subtle moves can not be traced. just a rod for a break. if before I thought that we were being pushed into return moves, now I clearly see that everything is much simpler. the run over the Chinese giant was just ridiculous; now, our competitor has started to roll. they don’t even come up with new reasons. only an American business will soon begin to stand on its hind legs. and the reason is banal, he does not like when there are no rules. while everyone is afraid of losses, but it will all pass because there will be a choice between losses and total destruction to zero the business itself. Apple is losing the Chinese market at wild speeds. last year, a drop of 20 percent. and will fall again. there, in the company, apparently everyone is happy to this madness. Automobile concerns selling most of their products in China are also falling at a slower pace. we also have a drop in all spectra. hi sanctions hi trump. making their companies seem better, in fact, over time, they will suffer.
    1. LON
      LON 10 September 2019 11: 59 New
      0
      Quote: carstorm 11
      only we do not arrange this curtain. and whose top was taken ... judging by his skills and positions, he is not a carrier of technical secrets, and this is a frank and rather vulgar attempt to denigrate a competitor.

      Apparently, according to US economic intelligence, the engine really came out successful.
      Apparently discussing something, without knowing what. Type OBS.
  6. lucul
    lucul 10 September 2019 06: 13 New
    -1
    Spit on the curtain - if necessary, I can easily tighten the belt.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 10 September 2019 07: 53 New
      +4
      I can easily tighten the belt.
      just don’t mix up the belts, pull yours, and don’t touch the inhabitants of Russia in the name of saving the deputies.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 10 September 2019 07: 58 New
        -7
        and where did you get the idea that this only concerns deputies? at such a pace, they will start taking first large business and then medium. then they will reach the students.
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 10 September 2019 08: 06 New
          +5
          first big business then medium. then they will reach the students.
          They have long come, only the Kremlin is engaged in this.
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 10 September 2019 08: 13 New
            -2
            What does the Kremlin have to do with it?
            1. Gardamir
              Gardamir 10 September 2019 08: 20 New
              -3
              What does the Kremlin have to do with it?
              Do you propose switching to self-government and driving away from the Kremlin, how does the Kremlin suggest driving away from paternalism?
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 10 September 2019 08: 23 New
                +2
                I do not offer anything. I ask what does the Kremlin have to do with it when I asked what if it concerns not only deputies but people in general? Detention abroad on far-fetched pretexts?
                1. LON
                  LON 10 September 2019 12: 03 New
                  0
                  Quote: carstorm 11
                  what if

                  If yes, if only.
        2. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
          Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 10 September 2019 08: 19 New
          +7
          As for the students, you are in vain - for the time being, these losers do not need anyone in FIG! However, this is about dvuhstnikov ... Look how Israel lures smart little! Here’s how it should be - and saving budget funds, and an almost ready-made specialist, and replenishing the people in the country! Smart country !!!
          Yes, Andryukha, it was necessary at one time to teach the Torah, circumcise a member and look for a Jewess, since then they came across in the streets! ...
        3. ZAV69
          ZAV69 10 September 2019 10: 35 New
          +6
          Quote: carstorm 11
          reach the students.

          Yes, it seems like they have already arrived. Well, almost ... A couple of years ago they took a programmer who was engaged in text recognition. The guy was a couple of years after uni.
    2. LON
      LON 10 September 2019 12: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: lucul
      Spit on the curtain - if necessary, I can easily tighten the belt.

      Happy you are ours. Apparently there is the opportunity to drill another hole in the belt.
  7. Same lech
    Same lech 10 September 2019 06: 17 New
    +16
    Thank you Roman for the article ... as always, he touched on the most serious topic.
    All that he listed has been known for a long time ... here our opponent in the person of the United States plays in his field and according to his own rules, therefore we lose to him in all respects and will lose further if we do not change the rules of the game to our partisan rules.
    As you know, Americans have stolen a lot of intellectual property in the USSR, the heir to which Russia is ... and this should be used ... to audit what they stole from us and invoice their corporations and at the same time issue an international warrant for thieves of our intellectual property ... starting from a Kalashnikov assault rifle to garden pitchforks and shovels.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 10 September 2019 07: 57 New
      +11
      that's why we lose
      , because the leaders of Russia are sleeping and see themselves in the West. After all, it’s possible to arrange Russia in such a way that it is good for everyone. But in the West it’s already beautiful, like in a movie, "stole in Russia, drank, in the West, stole in the West as well."
      1. DEDPIHTO
        DEDPIHTO 10 September 2019 08: 49 New
        +8
        After all, it’s possible to arrange Russia in such a way that it is good for everyone.
        No you can not. There will always be those who want most of all than others in the country, but I don’t want to put in extra effort (real work, not schemes, how to cheat someone,), I just want everything today and now. Therefore, either good for the majority, or we have what we have today.
        ps Roman Skomorokhov well done as always! good Keep it up! hi
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 10 September 2019 14: 33 New
          +1
          There will always be those who want more than others
          I agree with that. But I mean to equip that it is possible to have your own "curly-haired" and a lot of things, which will be at least no worse than in the west. But the "gentlemen" hate the country a priori.
          1. DEDPIHTO
            DEDPIHTO 10 September 2019 16: 14 New
            0
            Courchevel was not blown away by the wind, because they were equipped, i.e. worked with hands and head. And we have it with our heads, when for example, the construction of incinerators for non-rubber, is ordered by the Japanese and this is in a country where there is everything necessary. A logical chain is built up - who, how and why for high positions (where head by profile you need to work, and everyone with non-core education in such economic matters as pop in ballet) gets into and what subsequently happens because of such ,, figures ,, in the country .... except for the ,, figures, because they have achieved that for themselves what they wanted, quickly, all at once.
            1. 16329
              16329 10 September 2019 23: 27 New
              +2
              Actually, they buy a license for technology from Hitachi, in the world the processes of processing waste into Hitachi, CNIM and some Austrian company’s energy are mainly used, I don’t remember, I forgot, everywhere there is burning of waste with energy production by a steam turbine generator
              In Russia, the use of a UTZ steam turbine is planned and a domestic generator is also planned
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 10 September 2019 18: 57 New
          -1
          Quote: DEPHIHTO
          - I just want everything today and now.

          little what you want! One must have the opportunity. And opportunities are money. Who now for life over the hill? everything must be reasonably done. For some reason, ordinary tourists over the hill are not seized.
    2. DenZ
      DenZ 10 September 2019 08: 43 New
      +4
      Quote: The same Lech
      here our opponent in the person of the United States plays on his own field and according to his own rules, therefore we lose to him in all respects and will continue to lose if we do not change the rules the game will follow our own partisan rules

      because the leaders of Russia are sleeping and see themselves in the West

      I think you are both right. The second only further spins the mechanism of the first
    3. balunn
      balunn 10 September 2019 11: 06 New
      +1
      Who will invoice that? "Patriots" with villas in Italy or houses in London?
  8. Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 10 September 2019 06: 27 New
    +7
    I read, but still did not understand where patriotism and the more so, the Iron Curtain. An attempt to explain in terms of the 20th century what is happening in the 21st century is perceived as a “game with beautiful words,” as a result of which the meaning and purpose of what the author wanted to say are lost. In the current age of business globalization, the concept of patriotism means nothing. Especially among top managers))) In the same way, competitors guzzle each other around the world - sorry, business is business - nothing patriotic !!! I can’t believe that the top manager of Rostec, precisely the TOP and precisely the MANAGER, is the person whom could be called the CHIEF DESIGNER. Designers are “bought,” not arrested. Therefore, for me personally, as they say: one "successful manager" more or one less - life in the country will not change. We have so many “patriots” in Russia among successful top managers that it’s time to build our “guantanamo” on some azure coast of the Arctic Ocean. And the level of patriotism is not measured by the amount of money, houses and cars ....
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 10 September 2019 08: 01 New
      +3
      We here patriotism
      Yes, though. that all their effective menagers speak a word about patriotism. Assuming that we must be patriots defending their desire to live in Europe.
      1. Vitaly Tsymbal
        Vitaly Tsymbal 10 September 2019 08: 17 New
        +6
        For Gardamir Politicians shout about enthusiasm, VIP managers do not shout about anything at all, they hang out in closed "interest clubs", and they only remember patriotism when they are caught stealing)))
    2. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
      Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 10 September 2019 08: 21 New
      +2
      We need to build something similar for their “guests”!
      1. Vitaly Tsymbal
        Vitaly Tsymbal 10 September 2019 09: 38 New
        +3
        For Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko Why is this needed? First you need to figure out the true reasons for the detention. And then it turns out that this manager had accounts, business and real estate in the United States, and "evaded" taxes. Italians are not fools, they understand the responsibility for the consequences. We must wait to include - "an eye for an eye." I think we are already working on this occasion.
        1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
          Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 10 September 2019 13: 12 New
          0
          You are right, let's not rush! An eye for an eye will always be in time.
    3. New Year day
      New Year day 10 September 2019 19: 07 New
      0
      Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
      one "successful managers" more or one less - life in the country will not change.

      rightly said. if they are all arrested, then the country benefits.
      Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
      We in Russia have so many “patriots” among successful top managers

      that’s how their media are presented by “patriots”. It is customary to consider a patriot only when he respects power. if against - enemy, agent
  9. parusnik
    parusnik 10 September 2019 06: 50 New
    +2
    It is worth considering that in this form the “Iron Curtain” may become a new occasion for the love of Russia and the emergence of real patriotism.
    ... Roman, is this you saying that at the time the curtain was closed, before the third bell, all patriots would not leave Russia? smile
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 10 September 2019 07: 08 New
      -1
      yes with this big top and so comes to idiocy. Guam is now visiting through visas. I do not know a wretched place to stay. two weeks there it was hard labor. beautiful yes. but how boring it is ... the seafood day was completely killed))) and now people go through the American visa hell for the sake of these places ... of course no one will really suffer and spit in this direction. and this is a loss. and the question is, what for? not the patriots will have to go through all this too and do they need it?)))
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 10 September 2019 07: 52 New
      +5
      Quote: parusnik
      It is worth considering that in this form the “Iron Curtain” may become a new occasion for the love of Russia and the emergence of real patriotism.
      ... Roman, is this you saying that at the time the curtain was closed, before the third bell, all patriots would not leave Russia? smile

      They’ll earn money until the last, but they’ll leave only when they smell of responsibility .. they’ll leave without hesitation, at a pre-arranged airport, they will sell everything and everyone with giblets and will pour mud from Russia from abroad .. This is the way the modern “patriot” works. But fortunately for the "patriots" it will not be soon ..
      1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
        Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 10 September 2019 08: 25 New
        +1
        I see, for almost 200 years, such and their ilk have been pouring mud on the country, harming, fleeing or emigrating, sometimes apologizing and returning! Apparently, something is not right here with us since the time of Nicholas I ... Either we can’t instill patriotism, or then our people are burrowing?!? ...
  10. Alex66
    Alex66 10 September 2019 07: 21 New
    +9
    Of course, it is clear that, in the opinion of such "patriots", of whom, unfortunately, the government and the State Duma are composed, the so-called normal life is possible where it is acceptable, but not in Russia. Therefore, Europe and other regions are considered by the "patriots" as a kind of sleeping area. But in Russia, you can, let's just say, just work. For the good of the family and so on. Yes, this point of view is supported by the majority of Russian citizens. And Putin knows about it and it suits him, so sometimes he threatens with a finger.
  11. pavelpavel
    pavelpavel 10 September 2019 07: 22 New
    +7
    The mimicry of the government protecting the interests of Russia and citizens has long passed. The day is not far when, upon a call, the special services will take Russian citizens to the United States .. The Bakatians remained.
  12. Plantagenet
    Plantagenet 10 September 2019 07: 22 New
    +3
    “Although the Russian air transportation market is a very, very fatty piece, if it is properly prepared, there would be a desire.”

    The average price of an economy class air ticket from January to August of the 2019 of the year increased by 24,1%, Izvestia was informed in Rosstat. The last time such an increase was recorded in the 2008 year.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 10 September 2019 07: 33 New
      -4
      it always grows in summer and falls in autumn. Now for example I have found tickets for September 13 Khabarovsk-Moscow and back for 22000 rubles. agree not such a grandiose amount. about less than 20 still found. direct. non-stop. those are even cheaper.
      1. Plantagenet
        Plantagenet 10 September 2019 08: 13 New
        +4
        You read inattentively - "The last time such growth was recorded in 2008 year."
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 10 September 2019 08: 27 New
          -7
          I fly dozens of times a year and believe me, what are the prices) such an increase every year and every year a fall in the fall. to be precise, December-January rises, then May-August falls, and then falls again. as there were tickets 5 years ago in the region of 20 plus or minus, they continue. I do not speak for all directions of course, but in my opinion the situation is this.
          1. Plantagenet
            Plantagenet 10 September 2019 08: 45 New
            +3
            The news about the price increase for airline tickets followed quite predictably immediately after the price increase for the main grades of gasoline and fuels and lubricants began, and after them the price increase for aviation fuel will follow, the head of the analytical department of the International Financial Center Roman Blinov told a REGNUM correspondent .

            Details: https://regnum.ru/news/economy/2706044.html

            Since a reduction in fuel prices is not expected in the foreseeable future, I would not be so optimistic about a decrease in prices for airline tickets.
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 10 September 2019 08: 59 New
              -1
              and before that, prices did not rise on fuel and lubricants? ) here, in fact, everything is simpler. flights in the absence of a season must be filled. again subsidized referrals from the state. as a result, I don’t especially observe differences in my direction. I repeat, this does not mean that everywhere. I just see and sing.
  13. Den717
    Den717 10 September 2019 07: 36 New
    +3
    I think that the United States will completely begin to block both PD-14 and MS-21 on the basis of copyright infringement, unlicensed copying, theft of documents and even the hell knows what. But they will begin.

    This US feint could well have been done without Korshunov. There may be other options in this story. For example, the other day we voiced the desire of one of our airlines to file lawsuits against Boeing for lost profits for software deficiencies on the new airliner. At the same time, in the comments they said that this precedent, if it has positive trends, could catastrophically collapse Boeing’s shares and practically destroy its competitive opportunities in the market with respect to Airbus. Are the United States going to trade Korshunov in this direction?
  14. Gardamir
    Gardamir 10 September 2019 07: 45 New
    +1
    A little aside from the time of perestroika and without a break, it is still customary to scold the USSR in everything. Type and iron curtain Union built around itself. But the story is constantly repeated and it doesn’t matter socialism or capitalism, but do not go deputies (as well as big managers and so on, so on) to walk around Europe. And by the way, in the Zhdi8 field, they can easily arrest the president of Russia.
    so it’s time for the rulers of Russia to tie up with anti-Soviet, there are many other topics and cases that you can talk about and do.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 10 September 2019 08: 00 New
      -3
      what to tie? anti-Soviet?))) This is probably one hundred and fifty-hundredth place in a series of problems.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 10 September 2019 08: 09 New
        +6
        one hundred and five hundredth place
        Then why does someone whose initials look like gross domestic product speaks about the galoshes of the Soviet Union in every speech, there seems nothing more to be proud of.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 10 September 2019 08: 12 New
          -8
          Quote: Gardamir
          why does someone whose initials are like gross domestic product speaks in every speech about the galoshes of the Soviet Union

          Then why is someone whose ava is so similar to the fifth wheel lying in every comment and distorting the facts?

          I recall the phrase: if the enemy yells, then we are doing everything right. But you are a clear enemy, Gardamir negative
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 10 September 2019 08: 18 New
            +5
            if the enemy yells, then we are doing everything right.
            This was said by Stalin, who did not sell his homeland. And you’re right, I’m the enemy of those who sell the Motherland. Enemy of Chubais and deputies. which after the elections will continue to patronize brothels in our district.
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 10 September 2019 08: 24 New
              +2
              Quote: Gardamir
              I am the enemy of trading the Motherland. Enemy of Chubais and deputies. which after the elections will continue to patronize brothels in our district

              Not ... to them you are not an enemy, to them you are nobody. But if I declare to write about the "roofing brothels" - then you will become an enemy ... but, IMHO, for a short while request

              Quote: Gardamir
              This was said by Stalin, who did not sell his homeland. And you’re right, I’m the enemy of the Motherland traders

              Do not cling on. Stalin did not speak as much as he did. You just talk, feel the difference.

              And the enemy is not Chubais at all, no laughing
        2. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 10 September 2019 08: 18 New
          -5
          again these galoshes ... well, I remember what he said. that nobody but Africa bought them. already in 2012) 7 years have passed, can you calm down already?))) or was he wrong about the fact that our economy is one-sided and has been built for decades?
          1. Beringovsky
            Beringovsky 10 September 2019 08: 34 New
            +4
            Not only galoshes, many pearls of GDP issued on this subject ...
            Here is at least the last one, at a forum in Vladik, where he said that the Far East had only degraded all the years in the USSR ....
            a curtain...
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 10 September 2019 08: 37 New
              +3
              Quote: Beringovsky
              Here is at least the last one, at a forum in Vladik, where he said that the Far East had only degraded all the years in the USSR ....

              Throw a link, something is not being looked for ... a campaign, you misunderstood something again laughing
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              2. Beringovsky
                Beringovsky 10 September 2019 08: 52 New
                -2
                Find it yourself. At least with Konstantin Semin, on his YouTube channel. Release from 07.09.2019/XNUMX/XNUMX, called Investment delights. Easy to find, looking very interesting and informative. I recommend to everyone.
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 10 September 2019 09: 09 New
                  +3
                  Well, why refer to the trash? There you are TIME TASS:

                  Quote: Putin will discuss with the public issues of development of the Far East
                  Putin noted that if Earlier, many Far Eastern territories, including Vladivostok itself, were mainly of military importance and practically did not develop in socio-economic terms, then in recent years the situation has changed dramatically


                  What's wrong with that? Why are you lying again? Well, Semin, it’s clear - he is fulfilling the order ...

                  ... And what color are you?
                  Comrade without a ticket?
                  1. Beringovsky
                    Beringovsky 10 September 2019 09: 31 New
                    +1
                    Well, why refer to the trash

                    Is that what you directly call GDP on camera so-called?
                    Actually, the video itself has a bright face in the GDP. And here’s what he says right into the camera - “in fact, development then"(DW) in the social, economic sense of the word, there was practically no ...
                    Or do you not like the direct speech of the GDP and do you prefer the “official” trimming?
                    What's wrong? Why are you lying?

                    anyone can watch this issue of Semin and make sure that you're lying. tongue
                    1. Cat man null
                      Cat man null 10 September 2019 10: 14 New
                      +6
                      Quote: Beringovsky
                      Is that what you directly call GDP on camera so-called?

                      Not. Bruschek Semina laughing

                      Quote: Beringovsky
                      And this is what he (GDP) says directly to the camera - in fact, development (DV) in the social, economic sense of the word, there was practically no.

                      Great, sir! Compare with yours:

                      Quote: Beringovsky
                      he stated that the Far East only degraded all the years in the USSR....

                      and with TASS at the same time:

                      Quote: TASS
                      Earlier, many Far Eastern territories, including Vladivostok itself, were mainly of military importance and practically did not develop in socio-economic terms

                      Sapienti, as they say, sat. "Almost complete absence of development in some senses" is not at all "degradation," buddy.

                      I repeat the question: buddy, why are you lying so impudently? Really for the money? belay
                      1. Beringovsky
                        Beringovsky 10 September 2019 11: 10 New
                        -3
                        Not. Bruschek Semina

                        So this is not Semin, but personally the GDPU said on camera. What does Semin have to do with it?
                        Great, sir! Compare with yours:

                        to compare, you need to watch a video with Putin. And you did not watch it. tongue Therefore, you can’t say anything wassat
                        so then, buddy.
                        well and
                        practically did not develop in socio-economic terms

                        what is that supposed to mean? a touch of humor, right? laughing
                      2. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 10 September 2019 14: 46 New
                        +7
                        Quote: Beringovsky
                        you did not watch it

                        How do you know? Just in case - I always look through the material before discussing it. Life, you know, taught wink

                        Quote: Beringovsky
                        what is that supposed to mean? a touch of humor, right?

                        This is to understand how your attempt to get away from the topic. But in reality - everything is very simple: you attributed to Putin words (and thoughts) that he did not speak (and did not think).

                        Therefore - I congratulate you, once again you lied. Whether by foolishness or by money, here it is not even important. It’s not good to do so, do you know negative
              3. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 10 September 2019 09: 25 New
                0
                what is cognitive? what to interpret words one in other meanings? he does not say degraded. he said that Vladik, for example, was of more military importance to the country than economic. but it's true! who kicks the USSR there? when RI was even worse, and that means those times are kicking? why such jealousy then? Tipo when the union was not mistaken or what? didn’t make mistakes? that the same Khabarovsk airport was it a wild trash? how did people sit in the building for days? that the grass around him was trampled by those who didn’t get inside? and so every summer. did you stand for a plane ticket from 3 in the morning? and my parents stood to fly on vacation. is the development of Far East under the USSR you name?
                1. Beringovsky
                  Beringovsky 10 September 2019 10: 01 New
                  -2
                  Putin also said that social and economic development (of the Far East in the USSR) "practically was not"
                  You won’t erase words from a song laughing
                  that the same Khabarovsk airport was it a wild trash?

                  The airport, apparently, also does not attract development, since there was trash? What else does not attract development? It’s clear that airports are why they were closed, apparently so as not to spoil the “development”.
                  The factories built in the USSR were also spoiled by the factories, ports, hospitals, schools, universities, etc. Therefore, close them.
                  People still interfere with development. They came there in Soviet times, do you understand wassat Already from 1 million to 7 increased the population. Apparently Putin doesn’t consider this a development either. crying Is it a matter of population decline - is this evidently the development of Putinsky? fellow
                  1. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 10 September 2019 10: 56 New
                    -2
                    you see something of your own. what do they spoil? I’m just an example to you, an example of the development of the Far East with the union when creating a hub in which from all the Far East people flew to the transplant and went to hell. up to 8000 people in one barn sometimes reached. built of course who does it deny then? I've been in school for some 50 years of construction. and saw the new modern school only after 90. maybe the others were only I did not see and did not hear. maybe in the shops was everything your heart desires? Nope. everything is like everyone else. surely there housing was built at a wild pace and there were no problems with it? I will disappoint. Now it’s being built many times more. Are the roads good? Nope. etc. etc. Well, they built ports. it go nuts how socially developed everything. and they wanted to blame the west of the country as now many. I do not belittle what was done under the USSR. I say that for people and that they would like to live there nothing serious has been done. only coefficient and kept. there were no other reasons to stay there. retirement officers container tickets and Adju from there. What prevented the great and developed USSR from investing in this region and increasing its attractiveness, and why deny that it was so? but now when the possibilities are much less, why all of a sudden started to criticize what even though they started to do it now, tell me?
                    1. Beringovsky
                      Beringovsky 10 September 2019 11: 42 New
                      -3
                      up to 8000 people in one barn sometimes reached.

                      belay belay belay
                      are you alright
                      I've been in school for some 50 years of construction. and saw a new modern school only after 90

                      just think, in our town all the schools up to 90 g of construction. The newest was commissioned in my opinion at 86 m. And what? Where are these new schools? I do not see them laughing
                      now being built many times more

                      where it is, I do not see point blank. We have completed one 12 apartment building (it was completed). Yes, private construction in the middle of the late XNUMXs was, but it has long since died out.
                      Where are these new homes? I do not see lol
                      Well, they built ports. it go nuts how socially developed everything

                      still built factories, factories, airports, railway roads and ordinary, bridges, schools, hospitals, theaters and cinemas, museums, libraries, cultural centers, stadiums, motels, art, sports and other children's institutions, universities, research centers, power plants, dams .
                      How did this affect social and economic development?
                      Putin knows for sure - no way belay was not him according to Putin
                    2. carstorm 11
                      carstorm 11 10 September 2019 13: 02 New
                      +3
                      I'm definitely fine. I know the numbers perfectly. there were days that per day 8000 people passed. reports are not mine but the airport. google schools. next year, two new ones, for example, in the city and one rural.
                      in the union on this place was just a dirty beach. Now a new neighborhood. a school in which only teachers and staff are 500 people. with the union this was not built and was not even planned. Ice Palace. shopping center kindergartens and other goodies. once again. I do not deny that a lot was being built. only I lived there. and if the father quit before the age of 91, they would only see us there. they thought for months to get out of there. all this did not affect ordinary people. I worked my way and goodbye. so tell me, why with the union when, like everyone else said, people didn’t build it most, huh? and now when everyone is leaving two new neighborhoods, not only have they built so much and settled? why? or maybe because everyone was on the drum, and besides factories and ports, they did not pay special attention, did they? and this somehow does not at all fit with the fact that with the union everything developed there. Slowly they did something yes. and that’s it.
                    3. Beringovsky
                      Beringovsky 10 September 2019 15: 34 New
                      -1
                      Want to play in the picture? You are welcome. Here is a new school that you have not seen in the USSR.

                      with the union this was not built and was not even planned.

                      Such freaks? Yeah, sure ...
                      What good is it in this monstrous Center of yours where there are 500 service personnel only? This is where the children from there should be taken in traffic jams ... you are crazy about it.
                      And in the Union were within walking distance, the children themselves walked quietly, and did not carry them by car. And that was right.
                      two new neighborhoods not only built so settled and settled? why?

                      But because it’s profitable, they set up apartments - they have welded. Or were they handed out to the needy for free? Of course not.
                    4. carstorm 11
                      carstorm 11 10 September 2019 16: 07 New
                      +3
                      you are probably reading me along. firstly with teachers and other staff of 500 people. there is pre-school primary and secondary education. secondly you see there in the background at home? this is a small part of the entire new micro district there are still a lot of houses to the left and to the right .. freaks? Well this is a matter of taste already. and I'm not talking about that. but about the fact that now they are at least doing something. with the union, and this was not. you said you don’t see. I showed you. Of course then they built a lot of factories as you said ports. but people just forgot. therefore, they left there. there life is more complicated than in the center, and so are all kinds of airports. My purely personal opinion is that now the city is many times more beautiful and more convenient. damn in Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk runways as much as 87 lengthened so that 154 could land. before this en 24 and il 18 everything that flew. I will give you such examples of caring for the population of the Far East. so sorry but GDP was right when he said that they developed poorly then. no need to react to the truth so harshly.
                    5. Minato2020
                      Minato2020 16 September 2019 20: 14 New
                      0
                      Quote: carstorm 11
                      ... I showed you. Of course, then they built a lot, as you said - ports were factories, but people just forgot. Therefore, they left there. There, life is more complicated than in the center, and all sorts of things like an airport. My purely personal opinion is that now the city is many times more beautiful and more convenient. In Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk, the runways were lengthened to 87 so that the Tu-154 could land. Prior to this, the AN-24 and IL-18 all that flew. I will give you such examples of caring for the population of the Far East. So I'm sorry, but the GDP was right when he said that they developed poorly then. No need to react to the truth so harshly.


                      Well, that is, only production, ports, factories were built in the USSR, but they did not think about people, the working people lived in barracks, there was nowhere for children to study. Therefore, they left from there ...

                      But now, in the Far East, after distributing Far Eastern hectares to everyone, schools, cultural institutions are being built for free, the infrastructure is being updated to meet modern requirements. Cleanliness, beauty, amenities. In a word, a paradise for visitors to permanent residence.
                      It is necessary to make and twist through the central transmission channels how well and freely lives on the Far East in modern Russia.
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 10 September 2019 09: 08 New
      0
      and this pearl some blogger-communist Stechkin wrote. I do not remember such a phrase on his blog.
  15. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 10 September 2019 09: 04 New
    0
    so he did not say that they produced only galoshes !!! he said that they were not bought !!! THERE IS THE SAME pancake DIFFERENCE AT THE END OF THE END. and if all the words are only interpreted by the title of the video that those who posted it as they wanted and called it, then excuse me.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 10 September 2019 09: 16 New
      +2
      Quote: carstorm 11
      galoshes !!! he said that they were not bought !!!

      Dmitry, since they started talking to regular trolls - accept two rules:

      1. It is impossible to convince them, and striving for this is not worth it.
      2. It is possible and necessary to catch them in a lie. But being nervous is simply contraindicated request

      This is good advice, do as you want ...
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 10 September 2019 09: 32 New
        +3
        Yes, I haven’t been nervous for a long time) actually, just as I’m not going to convince) I just don’t like when phrases to please my beliefs are redone as they want. so what kind of wife do I have for this master and can easily make me guilty when she assaults herself but she is a schoolgirl in comparison with some)))
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 10 September 2019 09: 54 New
          +4
          Quote: carstorm 11
          I don’t like when phrases for the sake of my beliefs are redone as they want

          This is a standard trolling technique, get used to it.
      2. Beringovsky
        Beringovsky 10 September 2019 10: 08 New
        +1
        since they began to communicate with regular trolls

        ahah laughing
        this is written by a person who has 12 thousand comments wassat
        and all pro-government.
        Normul belay
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 10 September 2019 10: 23 New
          +6
          Quote: Beringovsky
          this is written by a person who has 12 thousand comments

          For five years. 6 pieces per day on average. I am a programmer, and at the computer all the time, sometimes even at night.

          Quote: Beringovsky
          and all pro-government

          Rather - "kicking" people like you. Power is completely parallel to me, it does not bother me (with rare exceptions), and I will get everything else myself. For some reason, you and you like me are unsympathetic.

          Anderstend? wink
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 10 September 2019 10: 09 New
      +3
      Quote: carstorm 11
      so he did not say that they produced only galoshes !!! he said that they were not bought !!! THERE IS THE SAME pancake DIFFERENCE AT THE END OF THE END.

      Of course have. As this leader said: "What we produced was nobody needed, and nobody bought our galoshes, except for the Africans."
      Galoshes, by the way, were driven to Afghanistan.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 10 September 2019 11: 14 New
        -1
        Yes, even to Japan. Does this somehow change the fact that he did not say that only galoshes were produced?
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 10 September 2019 11: 20 New
          +3
          Quote: carstorm 11
          he did not say that only galoshes produced

          It's not about galoshes. The point is these words: "What we produced was nobody needed."
          And this is not true, to say the least.
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 10 September 2019 13: 16 New
            +2
            and who needed it? countries of the social camp? Yes, they would buy galoshes if they also said distillation at what. It doesn’t differ much from how the states now sell their weapons, for example. and in a competitive environment it would be completely different.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 10 September 2019 15: 16 New
              -2
              Quote: carstorm 11
              and who needed it? countries of the social camp? Yes, they would buy galoshes if they also said distillation at what. It doesn’t differ much from how the states now sell their weapons, for example. and in a competitive environment it would be completely different.

              One more... fool A foreign trade directory open to us lazily?

              I wonder why the phrase with the West Germans bought refrigerators in the USSR race?
            2. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 10 September 2019 16: 21 New
              +5
              I did not say that France did not buy refrigerators. no reference books are needed; I know more about the economy of the USSR than I need. 67 percent of all exports are countries of the socialist camp. I can if you want to call each in rubles. East Germany, for example, in the late period of the year, so 86 for example, almost 8 yards of rubles from the total export of 68 yards. Well, remove 67 percent of the social camp, what do you get in the end?
            3. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 10 September 2019 17: 02 New
              -4
              Quote: carstorm 11
              Well, remove 67 percent of the social camp, what do you get in the end?

              We get an increase in turnover with capstranges.
              Quote: carstorm 11
              I did not say that France did not buy refrigerators.

              Quote: carstorm 11
              and who needed it?

              And whose question is this?
          2. Rusland
            Rusland 10 September 2019 16: 34 New
            +4
            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            Another ... And is the foreign trade directory open for us lazily?

            How much arrogance, where did request , and also the former "order bearer". smile
          3. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 10 September 2019 17: 20 New
            -4
            Quote: Rusland
            How much arrogance, where did

            From there. They got it already when they write that nobody needed goods from the USSR. Parrots of GDP, or what?
            Quote: Rusland
            and also the former "order bearer".

            Yeah, stuck in a bunch. I can already see the third informer from the order, although I did not take any active part in this order.
          4. Rusland
            Rusland 10 September 2019 17: 24 New
            +5
            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            Already the third trick from the order I see

            Well, you drove something that is characteristic of your way of life, do not try on and do not apply to others, once in fluff, now you will not wash your eyelids. Like a scared crow.smile
          5. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 10 September 2019 18: 27 New
            -4
            Quote: Rusland
            Like a scared crow.

            Quote: Rusland
            Well, you drove something that is characteristic of your way of life, do not try on and do not apply to others, once in fluff, now you will not wash your eyelids.

            Weren't you yelling there, demanded to intercede for you? Ugh. In the case of a branch write, everything else - in PM.
          6. Rusland
            Rusland 10 September 2019 19: 36 New
            +2
            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            Weren't you yelling there, demanded to intercede for you? Ugh.

            Do not flatter yourself, I usually crush those without compensation, you are some kind of kid homegrown, so you wag.
          7. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 10 September 2019 19: 58 New
            -4
            Quote: Rusland
            I usually crush those without compensation

            Good luck in this matter, crush.
            Quote: Rusland
            you kid homegrown

            I told you, in the thread write about the case. On the individual - in PM.
            Quote: Rusland
            here you wag.

            Where am I wagging? Was in the order? Yes, it did. Only quickly disappointed. A stupid undertaking designed to raise a sense of self-worth. And I won’t answer you here anymore.
          8. Rusland
            Rusland 10 September 2019 21: 18 New
            +2
            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            Quote: Rusland
            I usually crush those without compensation

            Good luck in this matter, crush.
            Quote: Rusland
            you kid homegrown

            I told you, in the thread write about the case. On the individual - in PM.
            Quote: Rusland
            here you wag.

            Where am I wagging? Was in the order? Yes, it did. Only quickly disappointed. A stupid undertaking designed to raise a sense of self-worth. And I won’t answer you here anymore.

            And why did you get the idea that I’m from your former office, into which you were allegedly brought by a fair wind? Searched for where "more interesting"? Well, I, unlike you, am not proud and agree to the medal, start with the badges, that is, do not rush.
  16. Cat man null
    Cat man null 10 September 2019 17: 29 New
    +6
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    They got it already when they write that nobody needed goods from the USSR

    Vladimir, let's lower the heat. What exactly, in your opinion, goods (non-raw materials, because we were talking about “we did”) from the USSR were needed outside the USSR (and, preferably, CMEA and the other “world socialist system.” It’s clear, probably why)? I can’t come up with anything right away ...

    Am I not too difficult to build a question? repeat

    PS: Well, yes ... refrigerators ... and that’s all?
  17. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 10 September 2019 18: 17 New
    -2
    Quote: Cat Man Null
    Ah, yes ... refrigerators ... and that’s all?

    And which ones, Roman? Industrial, household? There are many. I'm already tired of spreading screenshots. Canned food will go to 70?

    Or TVs in 80?
  18. Cat man null
    Cat man null 10 September 2019 21: 22 New
    +3
    Vladimir, thanks for the pictures, but - just a couple of numbers, offhand:

    TVs, 1984, export.
    Total - 1 111 619 pcs.,
    Of these, not to the countries of the socialist camp - (56 500 + 23 662) (Germany + Italy)

    This is 7.2% of the total.

    I’m silent about the fact that there was a term (and not only the term) "special assembly" request

    If the figures are comparable for other positions - everything is very, very sad, IMHO. On the scale of the Union, a huge country - it’s the same as nothing.

    So, rather, Putin’s opinion is nevertheless closer to me (he certainly has the opportunity to order such a calculation for all, or all key, export positions of the USSR).
  19. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 10 September 2019 22: 11 New
    -1
    Quote: Cat Man Null
    TVs, 1984, export.
    Total - 1 111 619 pcs.,

    1 111 619 pcs. - these are radios.
    TVs - 814 160 pcs. Great Britain, where they sent 22 thousand units, was let through.
    Just counted the export of watches. Of the 16 million pieces, more than four million went to countries. (1975 year.)
    Quote: Cat Man Null
    Putin’s opinion is closer (he certainly has the opportunity to order such a calculation for all, or all key, export positions of the USSR).

    For a long time, everything has been counted.
  20. Cat man null
    Cat man null 10 September 2019 22: 26 New
    +4
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    1 111 619 pcs. - these are radios.
    TVs - 814 160 pcs. Great Britain, where they sent 22 thousand units, missed

    Yes exactly. I am blind laughing

    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Everything has been counted for a long time

    Got data? Want winked
  21. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 10 September 2019 22: 57 New
    -1
    Quote: Cat Man Null
    Got data? Want

    Yes, what else is needed then? We take reference books, and compare. If in 1974 the share of fuel and electricity for export was 25,4%, then in 85 it already grew to 52,8%. So sat on a needle. And what are our consumer goods now exported? There are none of them. Neither bicycles to Finland, nor cameras to Spain. So the "one-sided economy" of the USSR was much more diverse today. IMHO.

  22. Town Hall
    Town Hall 10 September 2019 23: 19 New
    +1
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Quote: Cat Man Null
    Got data? Want

    Yes, what else is needed then? We take reference books, and compare. If in 1974 the share of fuel and electricity for export was 25,4%, then in 85 it already grew to 52,8%. So sat on a needle. And what are our consumer goods now exported? There are none of them. Neither bicycles to Finland, nor cameras to Spain. So the "one-sided economy" of the USSR was much more diverse today. IMHO.


    Cameras .. why didn’t even doubt that ...
    "...Among collectors goes the term "Frenchman."

    This is the name of Zenit-Avtomat, equipped with an exposure control system developed by the French company EFCO. So for the first time on a domestic SLR camera, fully digital control on the elementary base of Motorola and a microprocessor were applied.

    The device was intended exclusively for export to France and was not sold in the USSR ... "
  23. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 10 September 2019 23: 26 New
    -2
    Quote: Town Hall
    The device was intended exclusively for export to France and was not sold in the USSR ... "

    Poor Englishmen, but what did they click on? They began to produce the Zenith machine in the 84, and in the 70 what did the bourgeois buy?
  24. Town Hall
    Town Hall 10 September 2019 23: 31 New
    +1
    ))) They bought Zeiss optics from factories exported from Germany to the USSR. In scanty quantities for bargain prices. Rarity, sir, so to speak.
  25. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 10 September 2019 23: 38 New
    -1
    Quote: Town Hall
    They bought Zeiss optics from factories exported from Germany to the Soviet Union after the war. In miserable quantities for bargain prices. A rarity, sir, so to speak.

    Hehe. Let it be known to you that one of the first cameras of the USSR, the FED, was produced under a German license at a factory built by them. Gorky, juvenile delinquents, under the whip of the bloody NKVD. And they worked there. crying
  26. Town Hall
    Town Hall 10 September 2019 23: 46 New
    +1
    Who would doubt that)
    In many ways, the process of increasing the production of 35 mm cameras in our country was also greatly facilitated by the fact that after the war from Germany to Kiev (Arsenal plant), the factory that produced the cameras was completely removed (along with specialists, spare parts and accessories) Contax By the end of the 40s, the production of cameras under the new name “Kiev” was already established (in 1947 the first two models were released, repeating the design of “Contax-II” and “Contax-III”) and continued in various modifications until 1985. It is curious that the first "Kiev" was produced from German components, and therefore their collection value today is quite high.
  27. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 10 September 2019 23: 55 New
    -1
    Quote: Town Hall
    In many respects, the process of increasing the production of 35 mm cameras in our country was also greatly facilitated by the fact that after the war from Germany to Kiev (Arsenal plant), the factory that produced the cameras was completely removed (along with specialists, spare parts and accessories) Contax By the end of the 40's, the release of cameras under the new name "Kiev"

    Little was taken out, actually. If we calculate the damage, how much nemchuru we have destroyed, then they should have restored everything from us until the 60's.
  28. Town Hall
    Town Hall 10 September 2019 23: 58 New
    +1
    ))) And what do you think in the 60s was different?
    the beginning of the 60s, a tendency towards the use of advanced ideas and developments of those times in camera technology was clearly outlined. The following can be cited as examples: “Narcissus” - a high-class SLR with interchangeable lenses in 14x21 format for 16mm film; “Zenith-6 ″ - a SLR camera that had a central (!) Shutter, standardly equipped with a 14-lens lens with variable focal length“ Ruby ”2,8 / 37-80 (in the end, it is not so important that the idea and technical details of this family of cameras were borrowed from the German company Voigtlander), built-in motor drive in the Zenit-5 camera (the world's first 35mm SLR with a built-in electric motor), semi-automatic testing of the exposure in the Zorkiy-10, -11, Kiev-15 cameras, automatic in the Sokol and Kiev- 10".
    With a Record-4Sokol lens, ”produced at LOMO since 1966, had a five-program automation system and was equipped with a central shutter "Copal Magic" (Japan) with a shutter speed range of 1/30 - 1/500 integrated in the Industar-70 lens (2,8 / 50).
  29. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 11 September 2019 00: 04 New
    -2
    Quote: Town Hall
    was equipped with a central shutter "Copal Magic" (Japan)

    And what from this? I’ll tell you more, the Soviet Union’s most popular tape recorder, the 302 Electronics, was often supplied with a Japanese engine and Hungarian LPM, which they, in all likelihood, communized with Philips.
  30. Town Hall
    Town Hall 11 September 2019 00: 06 New
    0
    From this, that the USSR is the same industrial power a la Vietnam now, the assembly by cheap labor of foreign inventions and export for a penny
  31. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 11 September 2019 00: 16 New
    -1
    Quote: Town Hall
    that the USSR is the same industrial power a la Vietnam

    Here it is not necessary. Not a single country in the world was able to launch a space reusable UAV; the USSR was the first to build a nuclear power plant. In terms of radio transmission power, we were ahead of everyone in the 30 years. Our ships plowed all the sea-oksiyan in 60-e. Which Vietnam? And the production of consumer goods was not in the first place. And the lack of competition affected. (the same artels).
  32. Town Hall
    Town Hall 11 September 2019 00: 18 New
    +1
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    No country in the world has been able to launch a space reusable drone

    What is this?
  33. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 11 September 2019 00: 23 New
    -2
    Quote: Town Hall
    What is this?

    This is Buran.
  34. Town Hall
    Town Hall 11 September 2019 00: 31 New
    0
    ))). What would the unit be called reusable, it must fly off more than once. EMNIP-Buran is still a disposable bun.
    Of the reusable ones, only the Shuttle was created. And by the way, the UAV is actually. Pilots "manually" controlled it only at the moment of touching the runway. And on Buran, if the crew flew on it, they would also be manually planted. Manual landing is safer automatic is simple. And the technology of unmanned flights (and landings) was already around 20 years old at the time of Buran’s flight. It’s already used mass airplanes on regular flights. Do not be fooled about having no analogs
  35. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 11 September 2019 00: 43 New
    -1
    Quote: Town Hall
    What would the unit be called reusable, it must fly off more than once.

    He was not allowed to fly more than once.
    Quote: Town Hall
    Of the reusable ones, only the Shuttle was created. And by the way, the UAV is actually. Pilots "manually" controlled it only at the moment of touching the runway.

    The shuttle never flew without pilots.
    Quote: Town Hall
    And the technology of unmanned flights (and landings) was already 20 by the time of the Buran’s flight. Mass airplanes were already used in regular flights.

    First remove the pilots, and then write about unmanned take-offs and landings. I'm going to sleep. hi
  36. Town Hall
    Town Hall 11 September 2019 00: 46 New
    0
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    First remove the pilots, and then write about unmanned take-offs and landings

    The X-37 Boeing flies in space for years. It lands and takes off again)
    Good night hi
  37. Cat man null
    Cat man null 10 September 2019 23: 21 New
    +3
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    If in 1974 the share of fuel and electricity for export was 25,4%, then in 85 it already grew to 52,8%. So sat on a needle

    I agree.

    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    And what are our consumer goods now exported? No them

    And what consumer goods are now exported from, for example, the United States? Yes, too, do not have them. All China ...

    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    No bicycles to Finland, no cameras to Spain

    Well, Nokia is no longer "native" and much, much more ... now China and, by the way, Malaysia are the production site of the world request

    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    "one-sided economy" of the USSR was much more diverse today

    Of course. But she lived in “greenhouse” conditions specially created for her (the same social camp), and she did not live very optimally - we recall the loans written off by the Russian Federation, we think ... okay, not about that:

    It is necessary to compare comparable values. For example, export structure in countries Union and the Russian Federation.
    And all these watch-bicycles-Lada - were, IMHO, basically an element of politics: here, de, look - and we can ... well, yes, the special assemblies Lada and Zhigul then - it was the same machine ... plus the prices of this export - dumping of clean water ... that's why they took it.

    Also, essno, IMHO.

    That's it, I’m horizontal, I’ll work tomorrow, almost a week in the hospital I got into a mess.
  38. Town Hall
    Town Hall 10 September 2019 23: 26 New
    0
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    If in 1974 the share of fuel and electricity for export was 25,4%, then in the 85th it had already grown to 52,8%.

    It will not be difficult to indicate how much gas / oil the USSR produced in 1974 and in 1985? .. and from what year did the bourgeoisie agree to buy gas oil from the USSR? ..not in the beginning of the 80s after the oil crises of the mid 70s arranged by the Arabs?
  39. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 10 September 2019 23: 48 New
    0
    Quote: Town Hall
    It will not be difficult to indicate how much gas / oil the USSR produced in 1974 and 1985? .. and from what year did the bourgeoisie agree to buy gas oil from the USSR?

    I don’t know how much they mined, and I don’t want to know, but the USSR began to get a needle on in the middle of the 70’s, after the Arab-Israeli wars, when the Arabs refused to sell oil to the West, and we joyfully muttered our mouths for free.
  40. Town Hall
    Town Hall 10 September 2019 23: 52 New
    0
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    I don’t know how much they mined, and I don’t want to know

    But in vain. And you would know that it was not the USSR that didn’t want the needle .. it's just that the damned capitalists didn’t want to buy from him until the 80s. Otherwise, they would sit on the needle with pleasure much earlier
  41. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 10 September 2019 23: 57 New
    0
    Quote: Town Hall
    The USSR did not want a needle .. it's just that the damned capitalists did not want to buy from him until 80's

    It was in 70 that they wanted it when the Arabs showed them cookies.
  42. Town Hall
    Town Hall 11 September 2019 00: 01 New
    -1
    And the USSR happily became a raw materials appendage instead of Arabs.) Provided for a penny fuels and lubricants a hostile NATO unit created for its (USSR) destruction. If there were a war at that moment, NATO tanks and planes would have fought against Soviet kerosene on the Soviet Union)
  43. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 11 September 2019 00: 08 New
    0
    Quote: Town Hall
    Had there been a war at that moment, NATO tanks and planes would have fought on Soviet kerosene against the USSR)

    Chopped off supplies at Ain moment. However, I don’t really like everything that happened in the USSR after the death of Stalin. We were gradually losing ground.
  44. Town Hall
    Town Hall 11 September 2019 00: 09 New
    0
    How in June 41?) ..
  45. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 11 September 2019 00: 22 New
    -1
    Quote: Town Hall
    How in June 41?) ..

    History does not tolerate the subjunctive mood. crying I don’t know how to act in June of 41, there were errors, no doubt. But, what was, was, and now cannot be changed. And if tomorrow China attacks us, for example, we will regret that the other buns were sold to them by C-400.
  46. Okolotochny
    Okolotochny 10 September 2019 23: 10 New
    0
    Volodya, are you again some kind of scans to google and clever? I already poked you somehow - the USSR PLANT completely bought !!! Togliatti, heard of this? Now give the argument that the French and Germans in the USSR bought plants?
  47. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 10 September 2019 23: 17 New
    -1
    Quote: Okolotochny
    Now give the argument that the French and Germans in the USSR bought plants?

    I won’t bring it. But the Chinese auto industry did the USSR. As for the Germans, they bought from us many factories in our territory in 90. Like the custodians. Gypsum-Knauf, for example.
  48. Roman070280
    Roman070280 10 September 2019 15: 51 New
    -2
    But now under Putin we are producing the right amount .. and are selling to the whole world ..))
    But no .. not everything .. but only to China .. and we don’t sell, but buy .. and not much, but everything .. Well, as it should be in a competitive environment ..))

    Whose cow would mumble at the Soviet Union, to which we ... uuuuu ..
  49. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 10 September 2019 16: 22 New
    +2
    the conversation is not about that. generally. not about production but about how ordinary phrases are distorted. if you get in then read first.
  50. Roman070280
    Roman070280 11 September 2019 10: 13 New
    0
    I read first .. just forgot to report it ..
    And answered a very specific phrase
    "with it. It’s no different from how the states now sell their weapons, for example. in a competitive environment it would be completely different. "

    Do we now have a kind of competitive environment ?? Or not competitive ??
    So maybe I have a right to compare ?? In order to become clear - how much is it "different" ..

    and who needed it? countries of the social camp?

    Where is "about how ordinary phrases are distorted" ??

    You wrote about the states .. nobody reproached you that the conversation was not about states .. and not about weapons ..
  • Rusland
    Rusland 10 September 2019 16: 25 New
    +6
    Quote: Beringovsky
    Not only galoshes, many pearls of GDP issued on this subject ...
    Here is at least the last one, at a forum in Vladik, where he said that the Far East had only degraded all the years in the USSR ....
    a curtain...

    Did the curtain itself move? Or extras paid laughing
  • Boris55
    Boris55 10 September 2019 07: 47 New
    +7
    A ban on travel to people related to state secrets of the country (including deputies, except for official trips) would not hurt. And who wants to ride all kinds of Courchevels there, let the beer stalls open, and not stick to the state treasury.
  • bzbo
    bzbo 10 September 2019 08: 07 New
    +5
    And when will the States be held responsible for stolen Soviet technology?
    1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
      Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 10 September 2019 08: 28 New
      +4
      I suspect that there at one time they did something different and smarter ... Guess how?
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 10 September 2019 08: 09 New
    +7
    Novel! Bravo! fellow
    It was difficult, but mastered. You have correctly noticed the tendency of our top-ranking government officials to turn their eyes to countries propagating dubious cultural values, but turning a blind eye to all the "frivolities" of our "eminent" (everyone has recognizable names and faces) and top secret compatriots.
    Take at least the same London. I doubt very much that Mr. Zolotov was fond of English in his early childhood and pimply youth. Little of. I am sure in the sentence: "Who's who?" he can make some spelling mistakes by switching to the Cyrillic alphabet. But he sent his grandson to GB. How do we be?
    How can we instruct them
    All his minions?
    Iron curtain? What is it that turns out? A retired history teacher wanted to see live on the monuments of Ancient Greece, to appreciate the past greatness of Rome with his own hands or to taste the smoke of Shakespeare's homeland, and to him - "Departure is closed."
    Still, a version of harsh legislation, when officials - "DO NOT HAVE RIGHTS !!!" more acceptable. But if it acts in such a way that people convicted of corruption and embezzlement for “long” terms will be released after a couple of years according to parole, if people with “lost trust” and “wet reputation” will be attached to the state feeder ad infinitum, then what's the use that legislation? Legislation, which lawmakers redo and retype without popular demand and consent solely to satisfy their own whims ...
    As for this:
    It turns out such an interesting alignment: or are you a patriot working for the good of the country, and then the resorts of the Krasnodar Territory and Crimea are all yours. Well, still Turkey, probably. If you are not a patriot ...
    And in this case, you can’t be sure that they won’t grab the soft parts of the body and put them on a hard bench in the courtroom.

    The alignment here turns out only such that no Russian citizen can feel protected from the arbitrariness of international laws (specifically with respect to Russians), while officials are financially dependent on international institutions. So far, any statesman can be taken for "udder" through foreign accounts, real estate, relatives, business, etc., etc.
    That is why Chinese anti-corruption methods cause them real animal fear. They are not used to such treatment. For several decades they have successfully transferred all the negativity, all hardships onto the shoulders of a true source of power ...
    hi
    1. A good one
      A good one 10 September 2019 18: 20 New
      +5
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Novel! Bravo!
      It was difficult, but mastered.

      Patience and labor will grind everything. Read more, communicate more and all difficulties will be on the shoulder. smile
  • Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 10 September 2019 08: 22 New
    +4
    I personally do not understand this itch that haunts our high-ranking officials, there are none among them who grew up in poverty and seem to have achieved everything themselves, but after all, most of them belong to the number of those called birth "smeared with honey" and for this reason life benefits and cling to them. And when he became an adult, he suddenly sees that his neighbor has a bigger summer cottage and everyone has the very cars, but his dad is modest for some reason, he doesn’t have a car, but his neighbor is cooler, and here he starts to itch in all places, well, how can I not recall Khrushchev, with his "Catch up and overtake!". Well, and here is the track, you need to first overtake the post, the benefit of the pope is not a bad start, and then in everything else, it requires itching and let the loser cry. Tear and tear again, even at times with some risk.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 10 September 2019 08: 25 New
    +7
    Yes, how much can one and the same topic ... reason ??? They will do according to their understanding \ Wishlist!
    We do not expect new Stalin and Beria, dermocracy, its nuclei! They will get drunk and ........
    And for US - For a week, until the second, I will leave for KOMAROVO !!! - the most that is necessary !!!
    1. Chaldon48
      Chaldon48 10 September 2019 13: 49 New
      +5
      You need to write, at least here in VO people read and see that they are not alone in thinking that, but there is someone who is in solidarity with them, this is important, especially for the younger generation.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 10 September 2019 13: 54 New
        +2
        Quote: Chaldon48
        You need to write

        And here you can grab anything .... write everything, control only overtly extreme in literature and utterances.
        We can even pick up anything on television, and there the control is much cooler.
        1. Chaldon48
          Chaldon48 10 September 2019 23: 11 New
          +1
          Each person must learn to control himself, if this is not any filtration control, it may be useless.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 11 September 2019 07: 22 New
            0
            Quote: Chaldon48
            Each person must learn to control himself, if this is not any filtration control, it may be useless.

            Everything will be in the case when carried out reasonably and systematically.
            Self-control, parenting, the cultural environment and much more, useful, BUT, some have to be slowed down, put in control ..... within the framework of generally accepted rules! This is our reality!
            All in moderation and on business.
  • BAI
    BAI 10 September 2019 09: 00 New
    +4
    As I was told by competent comrades, it was a special operation of the United States with a Russian citizen being lured abroad, where he was arrested. The CIA - offset, ours laughed.
  • BAI
    BAI 10 September 2019 09: 10 New
    +7
    About officials and their attitude towards Russia, I always said the following:
    - In the West, the decline of foundations, debauchery and thingism!
    “But why did you buy an apartment in London?”
    - Once again I repeat for stupid: "In the West, the decline of foundations, debauchery and thingism!"
    1. Chaldon48
      Chaldon48 10 September 2019 23: 15 New
      +1
      Probably the official buys an apartment in London so that with his presence he can help the West finally not fall into the pit of "thingism." Here is such an altruist!
  • Mantrid
    Mantrid 10 September 2019 09: 55 New
    +5
    Quote: Gardamir
    who are “their own” and who are “unconditional adversary”.
    photos from Europe. where Gref gives Europeans loans at 2% to you a little. And there are many such examples. When such patriots rush into the Duma and everywhere where the smell of free money.

    just looked, patriotic Sberbank gives loans in Germany at 1,8% wassat
    it says "easy to get" - even a health certificate, HIV and other stupid documents do not need to be provided tongue
  • ZAV69
    ZAV69 10 September 2019 10: 25 New
    +2
    Quote: Gardamir
    Gref gives Europeans loans at 2%

    The interest rate on loans depends on the key rate of the central bank. And Gref has nothing to do with it. If it gives 2%, then the key rate of the European Central Bank provides profit. Do you recall the key saying of T. Dunning? About 300% profit. Of course, I understand that Gref is an enemy of the people, but the fact that Sberbank does not give us loans at 2% is not Gref's fault. Let's separate the flies from the cutlets. Of course the phrase about Gref and 2% loans are creepy spectacularbut does not carry any meaning. You’d better name personally those who blame that the Central Bank holds such bets, there are a lot of them, I'm afraid the machine gun will eventually overheat.
    1. balunn
      balunn 10 September 2019 11: 37 New
      +5
      It’s interesting, and who is to blame for the fact that inflation is going off scale? Gref from the same gang.
    2. Roman070280
      Roman070280 10 September 2019 16: 02 New
      0
      there are a lot of them, I'm afraid the machine gun will eventually overheat.


      The main thing to start !!
      In such a case, a pistol could be quite enough ... or even a rope of suitable thickness ..
      And in a month, those who were many would immediately become a couple of orders less ..
  • ZAV69
    ZAV69 10 September 2019 10: 31 New
    +3
    Quote: carstorm 11
    Apple is losing the Chinese market at wild speeds. last year, a drop of 20 percent.

    This is a war, and not just trade. Following Apple, google will fly out of the Chinese market. The first shot was not made by China ..... Let's see who else burns in this war.
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 10 September 2019 11: 56 New
    +4
    There is a great opportunity to "be sure." Our officials will simply have to document a long-standing "friendship" with the American intelligence agencies, that’s all. That is, the betrayal with which they are engaged day after day should be "raised in degrees." I am sure that now most of our senior officials are besieging their curators with questions - what exactly should they still do in order to receive immunity from prosecution of their property, relatives and money?
    Of course, any official who has property and money abroad is a traitor and no one else. It simply cannot be otherwise, banking secrecy has long been cracked all over the world, registries of property owners have never been secret, so acquiring all this outside the state border is an automatic application for admission to at least an informant in the special services of one overseas country.
    It’s just that for most of these people nothing was documented. Still. Now I have to. There is such a game when it is proposed to characterize something in one word. The game is very useful for children, wakes up thinking. If we characterize our power in one word, then this word will be - I’m bending. Alas.
  • Prutkov
    Prutkov 10 September 2019 12: 06 New
    +3
    They are trying to quarrel Russia with Italy. Now Europeansimists are in power in Italy, who are trying to build relations with Russia amid the struggle with Brussels. In general, it is time to begin to respond to such detentions. First, create a list of countries where there have been cases of abduction or murder by government agencies of citizens of the Russian Federation. To travel to these countries, you will need to pay a large insurance premium (in case of legal and medical assistance). Secondly, to use the feature of Anglo-Saxon law - precedence. The USA is declared wanted for espionage - in response to file those citizens of the Russian Federation on the international wanted list for espionage. who fled to the USA. Or put on the wanted list an American diplomat who several years ago attacked a policeman in Moscow at the entrance to the Ameran embassy. Let him answer for hooliganism. Not everywhere, he will travel with a diplomatic passport.
  • Ursus
    Ursus 10 September 2019 14: 10 New
    +5
    I correctly understand that the goal of the development of a wave of patriotism is the fact that patriots of the “new wave” will stop sending their children to study in the USA and the World Bank, stop buying hotel chains in Austria, villas and vineyards in Italy, and the existing business there will be curtailed and transferred here ? Well, for example, the resorts of the Krasnodar Territory or the hotel business in Crimea will develop. What, and the money from offshore, acquired by overwork, will be returned to Mother Russia? And will patriotism in the country be raised by their example?
    (C) Fresh giving, hard to believe.

    And if not, then why is that all? Another drank budget allocated for the development of patriotism?
  • Roman070280
    Roman070280 10 September 2019 15: 40 New
    0
    As it becomes clear, engineer Korshunov himself has absolutely nothing to do with it.

    And the MS-21 can become a real competitor in the market. This means that the competitor must be “flunked” at the taxi, not allowing takeoff.


    Based on the fact that he is not an engineer at all, but for the most part a diplomat and manager .. then he really has nothing to do with either the plane or its engine ..

    If Rogozin is arrested somewhere tomorrow, then the engines of the Angara / Union / Proton will sob or something ..
    But Mutko left our sport .. and nothing sports in the country still continues to exist ..
    What really affects the arrest of this Korshunov is that (probably) he will not have to pay his salary .. which is not so scary for the country ..
  • pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 10 September 2019 16: 11 New
    +2
    Well, ours or "ours" cannot block US uranium and titanium products?
    To fight, so to fight!
    And what kind of secret people do we have abroad?
    Who is in charge of the FSB in Russia? Also spy top managers?
  • Pan
    Pan 10 September 2019 18: 02 New
    +1
    He is probably the secret bearer, or is it now possible for everyone to ride abroad?
  • Radikal
    Radikal 10 September 2019 18: 28 New
    0
    A photo on the background of the "spy bridge" is symbolic .... winked lol
  • New Year day
    New Year day 10 September 2019 18: 36 New
    -2
    ... or you are a patriot working for the good of the country, and then the resorts of the Krasnodar Territory and Crimea are yours. Well, still Turkey, probably. If you are not a patriot ...

    I want to say the words of the house manager ...

    Now, if the Nightingale, Brileva and Kisileva on request and to the States!
    After all, they know, under the "cap" and climb over the hill. It’s clear, vacation, sea, villas, tangerines. well, rightly so.
  • antiaircrafter
    antiaircrafter 11 September 2019 12: 13 New
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    So what was this secret manager in Naples doing?
    A sergeant who knows nothing but the list of local drunks cannot go anywhere, but here ....
  • lukewarm
    lukewarm 16 September 2019 08: 23 New
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    Patriots go to the Maldives,
    Patriots go to Thailand
    Patriots Opera Divas
    From La Scala they show their talent,
    Patriots, reinforcing the staples,
    Donate to temples without stinting ...
    And Semyon Kuzmich is an agent of the State Department! -
    In my backwoods there is mud
    Mothers go hunting
    Arguing about politics with his wife.
    He scoundrel is rocking the boat
    That already, at least that alive.
    Everything from the government requires something,
    Everything is buzzing, some kind of bullshit,
    He won’t understand everything, Bosota:
    Power should not be a drop to him.
    Named the airports
    So he’s not happy about that either!
    He is out of his comfort zone
    It won’t get out, bastard.
    They let him fallow
    Collect for nothing in the forest
    But all is not enough for him. He is a rebel -
    The prison missed you like that!

    Andrey Shigin, 13.12.2018/XNUMX/XNUMX