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A photo appeared with damage to the Su-34 after the collision

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REN TV channel published a shot with the Su-34 bomber, which took part in a collision with another similar combat aircraft in the sky over the Lipetsk region. Recall that the incident occurred last week. Fortunately, the pilots survived and were able to bring the aircraft to the airfield after the collision.


A photo appeared with damage to the Su-34 after the collision


Aircraft (photo from the report channel below) received very serious damage.

So, the right wing of the Su-34 is significantly damaged, and the wingtip is literally torn out. In addition, the damage resulting from the collision affected the Khibiny electronic warfare complex.


The fact that the plane landed successfully with such damage already speaks of the pilot's professionalism and the reliability of the aircraft.

According to some reports, one of the aircraft, in conditions of loss of visual contact by the pilot, hit a wing on the “flashlight” of another bomber. When the pilots realized that a collision had occurred, they simultaneously tried to push away the combat vehicles, but this led to a repeated mechanical impact. Earlier it was reported that the resulting debris fell into the Su-34 engine. Now both combat vehicles are in need of repair.

Some experts said that repairs could be “hung up” on crews that “made a mistake when flying in pairs.” The Defense Ministry has not yet specified a specific amount of damage and does not comment on statements in the media about at whose expense the restoration of the bombers will be carried out.

A photograph in which the second plane participating in the collision would have been captured has not yet been published.
Photos used:
Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. Ross_ulair
    Ross_ulair 9 September 2019 16: 42 New
    +68
    And let's, in the event of a pilot error and the death of the car, hang the full cost on him or his family!
    By installments! Let's win!

    Here it is - capitalism in all its glory ... Evidently, things are very bad in the kingdom of Denmark ...

    I do not think that the technology is not insured. Or will recourse insurance be recovered?
    1. loki565
      loki565 9 September 2019 16: 45 New
      +23
      I do not think that the technology is not insured. Or will recourse insurance be recovered?

      insurance of military equipment ??? Well, the price of insurance is equal to the cost of the aircraft)))
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 9 September 2019 16: 46 New
      +8
      this is not the case. there are mistakes and there is frank negligence. Well, let's just say one thing is a mistake and another thing is such an accident due to, for example, hooliganism.
      1. Igor Aviator
        Igor Aviator 9 September 2019 17: 09 New
        +69
        Quote: carstorm 11
        there are mistakes and there is frank negligence. Well, let's just say one thing is a mistake and another thing is such an accident due to, for example, hooliganism.

        Yes Yes! My dear man, and you are aware that a good pilot grows out of a HULIGAN only, read, better, with the history of the USSR Air Force! Moreover - all the modern aces of the Russian Aerospace Forces are from “hooligans”! Only they managed to put their fighting enthusiasm and courage in the service of their professional growth. I think that the “punishment” - in fact, only to PREVIEW pilots can only be the most thorough (with their direct participation) analysis and analysis of the flight, ext. time on simulators, add. aerobatic classes as a couple in PMU and SMU, passing tests according to RLE and KBP, actions in difficult conditions. All! otherwise - we will lose the flight crew! or do you agree to come to their place? If not, better keep quiet! You see. of those who consider. that "the plane flies because it has WINGS[i] [/ i]! " wassat
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 9 September 2019 17: 15 New
          +2
          Quote: Igor Aviator
          Yes Yes! My dear man, and you know that a good pilot grows out of a HULIGAN only,

          laughing good
          1. Flanker27
            Flanker27 9 September 2019 17: 45 New
            +12
            And why this photo?
        2. basmach
          basmach 9 September 2019 17: 30 New
          +40
          A good hooligan pilot will not grow up. Due to lack of discipline. A good talent pilot, polished like a diamond by long training. Aviation is a flight discipline.
          In my time, both were decommissioned and would have fired the entry of 1. When we have in 92. the flyer with permission to fly to SMU during the rain landed in the middle of the lane (and it was 3200 m), did not release the brake and did not use the brakes, and instead of rolling out gravel at the end of the lane, decided to turn at taxiing speed at 90km (extreme ) then ditched the plane, it was thrown from the strip, all three pillars were formed and he lay on his “belly” and damaged the right plane. The pilot was written off for three for, a week later fired. And the plane was decommissioned a year later.
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 9 September 2019 17: 36 New
            +11
            Quote: basmach
            . When we have v92g. a flyer with permission to fly to SMU during the rain landed in the middle of the lane (and it was 3200 m), did not release the brake and did not use the brakes, and instead of rolling gravel at the end of the lane, I decided to turn on a trolley at a speed of 90 km ( extreme) then ditched the plane, it was thrown from the strip, all three racks formed and he lay on his “belly”

            This is not hooliganism, but gouging. Things are completely different
            1. basmach
              basmach 9 September 2019 19: 18 New
              +31
              Learn to distinguish between gouging and unprofessionalism. In this example, a series of incorrect pilot actions after an error with a landing, ending with a critical error (an attempt to turn into taxi at a speed of 90 km). For such cases, there is a safety lane (gravel road) and a catching network .. Pull out, inspect, and forward. And gouging is when I did not check the checks on the armchair, and began to do something. And then they showed me, a young flyer, in the TEC- "You see, the spot is painted over on the beam. Here he came in with an armchair." Foolishness is when a group of officers flew from the airfield from the army headquarters (from Ussuriysk to Khabarovsk). The intelligence chief (colonel) was late for the flight, jumped when the engines on the AN-26 were already launched. The flight technician showed him that he would open the ramp. So the colonel, to speed up the process, decided to run between the propeller and the fuselage., And not around the plane. And so that the cap does not blow off, I held it with my hand. Apparently born in body armor. He only screwed off his fingers with a screw .. He was sent to the hospital, and on ANe the blades were changed. That's what gouging is.
              All rules and instructions in aviation are written in blood. And a hooligan pilot is either a prerequisite for a flight accident (with subsequent analysis and conclusions), or a flight accident, or a catastrophe. (With death). A bully in aviation is a crippled technique, and corpses are, first and foremost, the bully himself.
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 9 September 2019 19: 54 New
                -8
                Quote: basmach
                Learn to distinguish between gouging and unprofessionalism.

                I have long learned. Gouging can not foresee the nature of the consequences.
                A bully always knows the limit.
                Your childhood was boring laughing
                1. basmach
                  basmach 9 September 2019 21: 06 New
                  +12
                  Unlike you, I had this service. But you, with your rudeness, apparently didn’t get out of childhood. And, judging by everything, the shoulder straps on this site are virtual. As well as knowledge of the army in general, and aviation in particular.
                  1. Lipchanin
                    Lipchanin 9 September 2019 21: 09 New
                    -3
                    Quote: basmach
                    And here you are with your rudeness,

                    belay
                    Oh how belay
                    And detail?
                    1. basmach
                      basmach 9 September 2019 21: 12 New
                      +10
                      Your childhood was boring
                      If you consider my service as “childhood”, then I consider your comment to be rudeness. I think you’ll guess the rest - "special aviation"
                      1. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin 9 September 2019 22: 02 New
                        -2
                        Quote: basmach
                        Your childhood was boring

                        In childhood, they were not bullies? belay
                        Then really boring ...
                        If you consider my service as “childhood”, then I consider your comment to be rudeness.

                        Where did I say about the service?
                        Not tired of inventing?
                        He said that on this very day on September 9, Nesterov made the “Loop”, so right there was a conclusion from the ceiling
                        Only it was not hooliganism, the execution was preceded by an exact dawn. And do not talk about hooliganism.

                        He said about CHILDHOOD, right there with an incomprehensible conclusion about the service. Serve from the cradle?
                        I think you’ll guess the rest - "special aviation"

                        I thought of course. There is no need to be an “aviation specialist” in order to see an inadequate and indefatigable fantasy.
                        It seems that the truth of childhood was not request
              2. Veteran of the Sun
                Veteran of the Sun 9 September 2019 21: 08 New
                +3
                ramp? An-26 has a ramp, no ramp. and yet, the ramp opens (closes) the flight engineer.
                1. basmach
                  basmach 9 September 2019 21: 21 New
                  +6
                  A ramp in aviation is a device designed to load and unload an airplane. It is a mechanized hatch in the nose or tail of the fuselage, capable of descending to the surface of the apron. As a rule, cargo and military transport aircraft are equipped with ramps,
                  Apparel (fr. Appareil - “apparatus, device”) - a flat platform, embankment or platform for lifting and lowering equipment, cargo, animals, etc. On vehicles, a ramp is a platform for moving cargo on board and back; in this meaning is also called a ramp.
                  The flight technician and the flight mechanic (if I remember correctly, since I served in the IBA and not transport personnel) on small planes are one and the same. 76 seems to have a separate airborne landing equipment technician. But I don’t remember exactly
                  1. Veteran of the Sun
                    Veteran of the Sun 9 September 2019 22: 45 New
                    0
                    on the An-26, the flight engineer had a working place in the ChFF on the starboard side, and there was also a ramp control panel. when flying for landing, the ramp after opening is retracted under the fuselage.
                2. Vanek
                  Vanek 10 September 2019 03: 29 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Veteran of the Sun
                  ramp? An-26 has a ramp, no ramp


                  Yuri remind.

                  Is the ramp and ramp basically the same thing?

                  Only the ramp is from the fleet. Correctly?

                  The principle is the same. The device and tasks seem to be the same. The difference is only in terminology.

                  Please correct me.

                  Jury hi
              3. your1970
                your1970 11 September 2019 07: 32 New
                0
                Quote: basmach
                A bully in aviation is a crippled technique, and corpses are, first and foremost, the bully himself.

                We didn’t close the hood shutter, in a hurry. The second one did not check ...
                The result - beat the blades on three helicopters after an attempt to take off.
                And the blades in the warehouse, bye-bye, and there’s nothing to fly on ...
              4. your1970
                your1970 11 September 2019 09: 01 New
                0
                Quote: basmach
                All rules and instructions in aviation are written in blood. And a hooligan pilot is either a prerequisite for a flight accident (with subsequent analysis and conclusions), or a flight accident, or a catastrophe. (With death). A bully in aviation is a crippled technique, and corpses are, first and foremost, the bully himself.
                -one forgot to close the sash hoods ... in a hurry ... the second in a hurry-did not look around ...
                Gazovka ....
                They beat the blades with hoods on 3 (three !!) sides. The regiment was waiting for business trips to Chechnya (1996) ...
                And the blades in the warehouse, bye-bye, and there’s nothing to fly on ...
                What is it - do not care, hooliganism or sabotage (so that they would not send him to the war or for loot)? !!!!
          2. Igor Aviator
            Igor Aviator 9 September 2019 17: 58 New
            0
            .
            Quote: basmach
            A good bully pilot will not grow up
            You are only addressing Nesterov, Chkalov, Pokryshkin, Kozhedub, Safonov, Pugachev, Kvochur, Apakidze (heaven to him be heaven!), M. Belyaev, do not tell ... Do not confuse "hooliganism" - non-standard actions "on the verge of a foul" with absolute confidence in their abilities and capabilities with a divine gift, with sloppiness and fear. I repeat - ALL of our domestic aces "grew up" from "air hooligans"
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 9 September 2019 18: 01 New
              -3
              Quote: Igor Aviator
              You are only addressed to Nesterov,

              Nesterov made his “Loop” for the first time on September 9
              1. basmach
                basmach 9 September 2019 18: 48 New
                +10
                Only it was not hooliganism, the execution was preceded by an exact dawn. And do not talk about hooliganism. The flight of Chkalov under the bridge is first calculation, then execution. And about hooliganism, behind the TPPs we had the remains of such a Pacific. Separate engine, separate nose. Hooled up.
                Hooligans in aviation didn’t live.
                1. Lipchanin
                  Lipchanin 9 September 2019 19: 52 New
                  0
                  Quote: basmach
                  Only it was not hooliganism, the execution was preceded by an exact dawn.

                  I just marked the date. The conclusions themselves came up with ..
                2. dmmyak40
                  dmmyak40 9 September 2019 19: 56 New
                  +1
                  Moreover, if you, a warrior, you mostly risk yourself and / or a crew / slave, then in a civilian hooliganism in general leads to terrible consequences.
                  Remember how the Grozny crew in Kuromech put a Tu-134 dispute on a dispute under curtains?
            2. dmmyak40
              dmmyak40 9 September 2019 19: 53 New
              +12
              Do you remember why Chkalov switched to test pilots? Everything is very simple: he crashed a fighter as a result of air hooliganism. Failure to comply with flight plan requirements is that valor? Courage? If I’m not mistaken, it was Polikarpov who was able to play very subtly on the features of the psyche of Valery Pavlovich: he said that Chkalov, as a pilot, is weak, so he flies in violation of all the rules. So any cadet can. But to do EVERYTHING - only a real pilot can do it! And it worked!
              And yet it is not clear: what does Nesterov, Pokryshkin, Kozhedub, Safonov and other worthy pilots have to do with air hooliganism?
              As for Pokryshkin, he was generally a supporter of sober calculation in battle. Just do not confuse hooliganism with insolence. For example, a couple on a dive unexpectedly attack a four or eight “Schmitt”, shoot down a host and leave with a clearly calculated maneuver with impunity - this is insolence.
              But paired with an inexperienced slave to attack the Germans link, as Glinka did (and be shot down), this is hooliganism on the verge of stupidity.
              1. Ross_ulair
                Ross_ulair 9 September 2019 23: 01 New
                +4
                Quote: dmmyak40
                And yet it is not clear: what does Nesterov, Pokryshkin, Kozhedub, Safonov and other worthy pilots have to do with air hooliganism?

                Kozhedub, too: being knocked out and burning, he kept a sober calculation to the end, and knocked down the flame by sliding. True, he didn’t jump out of the LF, although in theory he should have - the tank in the plane was smoking, could explode. But he took a risk, and saved the car as a result.
                Also, Ivan Nikitovich landed a completely beaten plane when in March 43, still a green sergeant, 110 was trapped over his own airfield (they were still inexperienced with the leading Vano Gabunia, they were unable to hold the pair and were lost in the clear sky - Kozhedub circled over his house, and Gabunia with some Yaks Ilov covered, the radio wasn’t yet on their Lavochkins), but he could and should have jumped out. But a huge sense of responsibility and respect for technology made him take a risk and put a plane in the air on a bombed, in the craters, airfield
                1. dmmyak40
                  dmmyak40 10 September 2019 00: 21 New
                  +2
                  I recall Alexei Maresyev from his "last kilometers by snot pulled": after the frontal with the fokker he barely reached the point, and he was sitting down already with the engine stopped. Also did not want to jump and ruin the plane.
          3. Igor Aviator
            Igor Aviator 9 September 2019 17: 59 New
            +2
            Quote: basmach
            Due to lack of discipline

            Do not confuse God's gift with fried eggs!
          4. The comment was deleted.
        3. NN52
          NN52 9 September 2019 17: 56 New
          +15
          Igor Aviator
          Are you talking about a "bully" can Valery Chkalov, mention?
          But nothing that KBP was written by the "blood" of other pilots, as well as RLE .. forgot or did not know?
          There is the result of non-compliance with the duties of the leader and the follower, the guys were mistaken, very much ...
          The slave fell behind and “fell out” of the pair, but did not report ... He was on the “catch-up”. And the leader, instead of requesting the follower, began to roll, decided to "find" with his eyes .... Found ...
          In this situation, only Shoigu’s intervention will help with the compensation of damages. The military prosecutor’s office has only one place, a criminal case has already been opened, flight books have been seized, and so on ...
          And minus, yes, from me to you.
          1. Ross_ulair
            Ross_ulair 9 September 2019 18: 29 New
            +4
            Quote: NN52
            decided to "find" .... I found ...

            It’s good that not like Tkachenko’s slave’s over!
            For Igor Valentinovich 10 years ago, the ending of the lantern was fatal
          2. basmach
            basmach 9 September 2019 19: 20 New
            +7
            All is correct. It's just that there are aviation specialists — who have never sniffed kerosene on a concrete — like a dog’s fleas
          3. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 9 September 2019 23: 52 New
            +5
            Quote: NN52
            nothing that KBP was written by the "blood" of other pilots, as well as RLE .., the guys were mistaken, very much ...

            Hi NN52, I don’t remember something, so that someone with a discipline problem, on the ground, and especially in the air, should graduate from college. They threw off all without regrets.
            It seems to me that we are offered a substitution of concepts: they try to present healthy professional audacity as hooliganism, and this is different. Compare talented and successful pilots and ... In a word, this is superfluous. Guys specifically made a mistake, it happens and good luck to them in the future. It is a pity of course, but for prosecutors it’s all lyrics.
        4. ProkletyiPirat
          ProkletyiPirat 9 September 2019 18: 53 New
          +2
          Quote: Igor Aviator
          add. simulator time

          Modern simulators do not allow you to train maneuvering, or rather, overload when maneuvering, and without it simulators are effective only at the initial stage of training, and it will be like with sailors suffering from seasickness ...
        5. Trotil42
          Trotil42 9 September 2019 20: 49 New
          -3
          Yeah ... from the hooligans ... from the surviving hooligans ... though there are few of them ... Over the past 10 years in America there has not been a single case of mass deaths during air travel ... it seems like they are immediately expelled and deprived of their license .. .and the military too ... just nobody wants to be left without a pension ... how often do you hear about incidents in the US Air Force? Training and practice discipline is the key to success ...
          1. Ross_ulair
            Ross_ulair 9 September 2019 20: 59 New
            +6
            Quote: Trotil42
            How often do you hear about incidents in the US Air Force?

            Statistics for the last year, which googled for 10 seconds at the request of the "US Air Force accident."
            https://topwar.ru/152154-uzhasnyj-2018-god-dlja-boevyh-samoletov-ssha-jeskadrilja-bezvozvratnyh-poter.html

            You can look at the current, I'm too lazy
            1. Trotil42
              Trotil42 9 September 2019 21: 04 New
              -4
              Thanks for the statistics .. but you need to compare with the number of flights .. and I think it will not be in our favor ...
        6. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 10 September 2019 03: 28 New
          +7
          and don’t talk. give bullies. even if at a time a couple of just the same machines worth more than 100 lyam greens are sent to the scrap. them as dirt. aces are born from hooliganism is so cute.
        7. Airmedved
          Airmedved 11 September 2019 08: 32 New
          0
          It’s not entirely clear, but does BA pass tests according to KBP BA? Why would they fly in pairs?
      2. Barmaleyka
        Barmaleyka 10 September 2019 09: 39 New
        0
        Quote: carstorm 11
        this is not the case. there are mistakes and there is frank negligence


        I wonder how much McCain was detained at the time for the ditched aircraft and the nearly ditched aircraft carrier
    3. VO3A
      VO3A 9 September 2019 16: 50 New
      +10
      The equipment is not insured ... They may be required to compensate for the damage in some volume .... I emphasize, they may also be in the conditional volume ... There is also a limitation by law, not more than 5% of monthly monetary allowance and other payments .. We have humane laws for the military ... Don’t worry too much ... And there are no time limits ... And there is no reason for dismissal from the army ... And you don’t need photos, but the witty zhurnalyug muzzle in the mud when you try. ..And do not give them pants to change ....
      1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 9 September 2019 17: 42 New
        +2
        Quote: VO3A
        They may be required to pay damages in a certain amount .... I emphasize, they may also be in a conditional amount ..

        About the amount will be dealt with in court. Part of the amount will be covered by funds allocated from the federal budget. Here is an example:
        "As Kommersant learned, bailiffs are collecting more than 17 million rubles from former submarine division commander Captain I Rank Igor Martemyanov and submarine commander Krasnodar Captain II Rank Denis Sopin. During the 2016 exercise in the Baltic Sea, Krasnodar "During the ascent collided with a foreign vessel, after which it was put in for repair. The officers fully admitted their guilt in the incident, but Mr. Martemyanov, who is an invalid, did not have the required amount.
        According to the FSSP database, the department of bailiffs in the Kronstadt and Kurortny districts of St. Petersburg collects from Igor Martemyanov in the amount of 5 million rubles. according to the writ of execution issued on 21 of March of this year by the Leningrad District Military Court. In turn, Denis Sopin owed 21,7 thousand rubles to the bailiffs of the Nakhimovsky district of Sevastopol. In his case, it is only a matter of legal costs in the suit of the Ministry of Defense, which was satisfied by the same military court. "
        https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3974387
    4. Hagalaz
      Hagalaz 9 September 2019 16: 51 New
      +6
      Let's all wait for an official decision, and not statements by unknown experts.
      Of course, hanging stuff on pilots is nonsense. There such a bondage may come out that tryndets.
      What kind of punishment for the service may well be. But not material.
      1. dauria
        dauria 9 September 2019 22: 37 New
        +5
        What kind of punishment for the service may well be. But not material.


        Three salaries (from all, commander, Pravak, bortach) for a set of blades on our Mi-8 and Mi-24. Hooked on the taxi. And say - "not a material." 85th year.
        Yes, and here someone is telling tales about ace-bullies of a fairy tale .. After the phrase “Look how I can” usually commemorations follow. I’ve met such meticulous discipline as in aviation and haven’t met anywhere else ..
    5. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 9 September 2019 16: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: ROSS_Ulair
      And let's, in the event of a pilot error and the death of the car, hang the full cost on him or his family!
      By installments! Let's win!

      Here it is - capitalism in all its glory ... Evidently, things are very bad in the kingdom of Denmark ...

      I do not think that the technology is not insured. Or will recourse insurance be recovered?

      That's just published on the Lipetsk portal
      Aircraft collided during a training flight. According to REN-TV, the root cause was the loss of visual contact. And this happened after the follower climbed under the leader and did not report to him about it. Having lost contact, the pilot began to roll to find the follower (waved his wings left and right), and at that moment hit the wingman’s cabin with the right wing.

      From the first strike with the right wing of the wing, the leader lost the Khibiny electronic counter-reaction complex (KREP) and tore the fuselage from the cockpit to the right engine of the slave. Realizing that something was wrong, the presenter shifted to the left bank and hit the follower once more. At the second strike, the debris hit the engine. The pilots managed to land damaged cars. This is despite the fact that one of the aircraft at the time of landing from the wing lashed fuel.

      As was established later, both fighters cannot be restored.

      At the same time, according to TASS, it is possible that the pilots themselves will have to pay for the repair of the aircraft if it turns out that they are guilty of creating an emergency. The cost of each Su-34 is more than 1 billion rubles. According to GOROD48, these aircraft were not insured.
      1. Eragon
        Eragon 9 September 2019 17: 49 New
        +13
        Quote: Lipchanin
        As was established later, both fighters cannot be restored.

        So I look at the photo and don’t understand - why isn’t it subject to restoration? repair the wing or, in extreme cases, replace it. Or is a wing replacement more expensive than a new aircraft ???
        Shorter shit on the Lipetsk portal
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 9 September 2019 17: 54 New
          +3
          Quote: Eragon
          Shorter shit on the Lipetsk portal

          Didn’t you read it?
          As the REN-TV,
          1. Eragon
            Eragon 9 September 2019 18: 42 New
            +2
            Quote: Lipchanin
            Quote: Eragon
            Shorter shit on the Lipetsk portal

            Didn’t you read it?
            As the REN-TV,

            Sorry, thanks. Forced to recover: not onthrown while tothrow what flew from REN-TV.
            You need to check the accuracy of the information, and then publish it. This is not to the Lipetsk portal, but to all the media.
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 9 September 2019 19: 59 New
              -1
              Quote: Eragon
              You need to check the accuracy of the information, and then publish

              This is a city portal. News.
              The pilots and technicians of the center already know what and how
        2. Antiliberast
          Antiliberast 9 September 2019 19: 13 New
          +2
          Quote: Eragon
          Shorter shit on the Lipetsk portal

          [/ quote] As was established later, both fighters cannot be restored. [quote]
          At the same time, according to TASS, it is possible what to pay for repairs the planes themselves will have to pilots
          request
        3. Trotil42
          Trotil42 9 September 2019 20: 57 New
          +2
          And if the entire wing is deformed and the blow is transmitted to the glider? It cannot be restored ... it’s cheaper to build a new one .. visually you can’t see it ...
      2. Veteran of the Sun
        Veteran of the Sun 9 September 2019 21: 47 New
        -1
        come on. leading in close formation, he preoccupied himself with a visual search for the follower (why would it), i.e. without observing it, arbitrarily maneuvers without warning .... some sort of nonsense the Lipetsk portal writes, there is no term in aviation .. it splashes fuel, and even from the wing, well, from the wing tank wherever it went. Yes, and SU-34 is not a fighter
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 9 September 2019 22: 30 New
          -3
          Quote: Veteran of the Sun
          some sort of nonsense, the Lipetsk portal writes, there is no term in aviation .. it splashes fuel, and even from the wing, well, from the wing tank wherever it went. Yes, and SU-34 is not a fighter

          Yes, and not a professional pilot wrote this.
          Yes, and the NEWS portal, and not special for pilots.
          Well, if you read ATTENTIVELY, you can see this
          . According to REN-TV,

          So that the claim is not addressed. The portal just reprinted the news
    6. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 9 September 2019 18: 06 New
      +6
      Quote: ROSS_Ulair

      And let's, in the event of a pilot error and the death of the car, hang the full cost on him or his family!
      By installments! Let's win!

      But I wonder - how much did the MO pay the family of the deceased pilot? I don’t know how many lemons SU-34 costs, but how to estimate the cost of a person, son, husband and father?
      The categorical opponent of collecting even part of the cost of damaged equipment from the military. If the damage to the equipment was not targeted.
      1. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 9 September 2019 23: 33 New
        +3
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        The categorical opponent of collecting even part of the cost of damaged equipment from the military
        It’s impossible not to disagree with you, but for prosecutors it’s all the lyrics. My teacher, one of the pillars of application - 23, brought down the interception driven by excitement: the plane was forgiven, thank God the pilot was alive, but counted in full for kerosene, oil every liter, for consumables in a word - it ran in there ...
      2. your1970
        your1970 11 September 2019 09: 11 New
        0
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        The categorical opponent of collecting even part of the cost of damaged equipment from the military. If the damage to the equipment was not targeted.
        in 1988, two hot mechanical water drivers on 2С3 (152 mm) buttered, whoever pushed someone off the site. One to the other during the travels, he banged the barrel very successfully - to the "impossibility of recovery." They counted 200 with something thousand SOVIET (!!!!) rubles. They were immediately transferred from us, so I don’t know the finals, were they paid?
        Nevertheless, for 2 years (while I was serving), KD drove all the new arrivals to the parking lot and said: "Here stood 2С3 - for which this freak will pay ALL remaining life "

        Z.Y. 336 bucks (!!!!) belay belay rudely at that time
    7. Yujiko
      Yujiko 10 September 2019 02: 48 New
      +3
      It’s just in the sentence - "Some experts said that the repair could be" hanged "on crews that" made a mistake when flying in pairs ", the" experts "forgot to include the word in quotation marks.
    8. Vanek
      Vanek 10 September 2019 03: 16 New
      +3
      Quote: ROSS_Ulair
      hang the full cost of it,


      You Michael, now understand why the captain of the ship does not always leave the sinking ship? smile

      Michael hi
      1. Ross_ulair
        Ross_ulair 10 September 2019 08: 08 New
        +1
        In a country of developed capitalism with a human face, this is not a guarantee! The family remains! In our country, debts are inherited.
        On the contrary - you will survive - you can also get a divorce, you can take away debts from the family laughing

        Ivan hi
    9. w70
      w70 10 September 2019 06: 56 New
      0
      What did they train rams to do? Now the planes are fighting for tens of kilometers, but the victims of the exam do not know
    10. kupitman
      kupitman 10 September 2019 10: 12 New
      +1
      During the Soviet era, in the part where my father served, they drowned a plane in a swamp (CARL!). As a result, the investigation showed that the accident was a result of the negligence of the tractor driver and other participants in the aircraft towing. Bottom line - they paid for the loss of equipment for a long time. I do not think that they paid the full amount, but paid and capitalism has nothing to do with it. If the carelessness of the pilots is proved, then they can pay, but they will not pay the full amount. There is a choice between two options - to plant or pay. This is a punitive measure, not a reimbursement of monetary losses to the state. and how do you think it’s better to sit out for five years or five years to pay 25% of the amount of money allowance, and only the salary for the position + rank is taken into account there.
    11. lukewarm
      lukewarm 11 September 2019 08: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: ROSS_Ulair
      full cost to hang on him, or family!
      By installments! Let's win!

      Recently, just such a practice has prevailed. In VK there was a post about a helicopter pilot. I broke the power line, damaged the blades. The crew did not scratch, put the turntable on the airfield. In addition to all the damage - the year of the colony. We must go to Shoigu with a proposal to create collection units in the military police.
  2. Thrall
    Thrall 9 September 2019 16: 42 New
    +8
    The main thing is that the pilots are alive!
    1. monah
      monah 9 September 2019 16: 50 New
      +4
      If the boys are hanged the amount of damage, they will not be so glad that they are alive!
      1. kupitman
        kupitman 10 September 2019 10: 13 New
        0
        and if you choose between plant or pay? What if the pilots committed a deliberate violation of the rules of flight (air hooliganism)?
    2. w70
      w70 10 September 2019 06: 56 New
      -1
      Yeah, a new plane will ruin
  3. Ros 56
    Ros 56 9 September 2019 16: 52 New
    +12
    The main thing is people are alive, and they will make new cars, but expensive, no one argues. So put the accountant in the cockpit, let him teach how to fly.
    And when a pilot, yes, any warrior dies, who pays for it?
  4. Igor Borisov_2
    Igor Borisov_2 9 September 2019 16: 52 New
    +11
    If the pilots managed to land the cars with such damage - this suggests that they would hardly have made piloting errors. And as for the recovery of damage, I remember the movie "Top Gun" - "I recently broke a fighter, now they keep 20 bucks a month" .... (I do not remember literally, it was a long time ago, but the point is)
    1. loki565
      loki565 9 September 2019 16: 56 New
      +3
      Well, so we have no more than 5% per month, but most likely they will be charged for a force majeure
    2. bober1982
      bober1982 9 September 2019 18: 50 New
      -3
      Quote: Igor Borisov_2
      If the pilots managed to land the cars with such damage - this suggests that they would hardly have made piloting errors

      If a collision is allowed, then after that, as a rule, they have a pale appearance.
    3. kupitman
      kupitman 10 September 2019 10: 14 New
      0
      and if air hooliganism? Experienced pilots suffer from this.
  5. kit88
    kit88 9 September 2019 17: 04 New
    +1
    In addition, the damage resulting from the collision affected the Khibiny electronic warfare complex.

    Without going deep into technical details.
    Is this trolling like that?

    Where are the Khibiny?
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 9 September 2019 17: 07 New
      +4
      Quote: kit88
      Where are the Khibiny?

      Tore off
      From the first strike with the right wing wing, the leader lost the Khibiny electronic counter-reaction complex (KREP) and tore off the fuselage from the cockpit to the right engine of the slave
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  6. ism_ek
    ism_ek 9 September 2019 17: 05 New
    +4
    The second case is not an accident. Long group flights on the Su-34 with reduced visibility do not lead to anything good. Why didn’t VKS leadership draw conclusions from the catastrophe over the Tatar Strait? Damage to generals must be hung so that subordinates are not sent "do not hammer nails with a microscope."
    1. Voyager
      Voyager 9 September 2019 17: 07 New
      +3
      Apparently for the first time everything was attributed to adverse weather conditions ...
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 9 September 2019 17: 17 New
      0
      Quote: ism_ek
      Long group flights on the su-34 with low visibility

      There was no low visibility
      And this happened after the follower climbed under the leader and did not report to him about it. Having lost contact, the pilot began to roll to find the follower (waved his wings left and right), and at that moment hit the wingman’s cabin with the right wing.
    3. bober1982
      bober1982 9 September 2019 18: 47 New
      +3
      Quote: ism_ek
      Damage to generals must be hung so that subordinates are not sent

      What about the generals? If, apparently, they themselves violate the requirements of the generals themselves, and what does it mean ........that would not send subordinates ... Where did they send it?
    4. bober1982
      bober1982 9 September 2019 19: 25 New
      +3
      Quote: ism_ek
      The second case is not an accident.

      There will be a third, then a fourth and more .....
      Quote: ism_ek
      Long group flights on the su-34 with low visibility

      There are rules for group flights, if a collision occurs, then, as a rule, because of violations of such rules.
      1. ism_ek
        ism_ek 9 September 2019 22: 21 New
        -1
        Why do we need group flights on supersonic bombers? This is not a fighter. The pilot's view is very limited. Each aircraft has a navigator.
  7. MoJloT
    MoJloT 9 September 2019 17: 09 New
    +6
    Drive me into the garage, in a week it will be better than a new one, I will put molding as a gift.
    1. SASHA OLD
      SASHA OLD 10 September 2019 07: 10 New
      +4
      Quote: MoJloT
      Drive me into the garage, in a week it will be better than a new one, I will put molding as a gift.

      and then for sale as "not a bit, not beautiful, the girl went to the helm in the" work-home "mode, the real buyer - bargaining at the fuselage"
      1. Ross_ulair
        Ross_ulair 10 September 2019 08: 14 New
        +2
        Quote: SASHA OLD
        "not a bit, not beautiful, the girl went to the helm in the" work-home "mode

        Hmeimim Barmalei wassat

        Quote: SASHA OLD
        to the real buyer - bargaining at the fuselage "


        Well, on ice cream - to note this thing! laughing
        1. SASHA OLD
          SASHA OLD 10 September 2019 18: 35 New
          +2
          for sure !! laughing
          and finally:
          "Congratulations on your purchase, ride, rejoice!")
  8. Lelik76
    Lelik76 9 September 2019 17: 17 New
    +7
    The one in the photo, change the right OCHK (detachable part of the wing) and make one EW container, level it and if everything is good, fly on to health, they cannot be restored. With the second one, it’s not clear if the casing was opened in the garrot, there you have to look. What jambs on airplanes were "not cured" in principle.
  9. jeka424
    jeka424 9 September 2019 17: 22 New
    0
    Not the first clashes with su34 like, that year was
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 9 September 2019 18: 44 New
      +3
      Quote: jeka424
      Not the first clashes with su34 like, that year was

      Intensively began to fly, hence the accident.
  10. Dikson
    Dikson 9 September 2019 17: 25 New
    +3
    Tell me please, specialists from aviation ... The nature of the damage and the flight accident as a whole does not tell you first of all that the Su-34 pilot does not see a damn thing about its rear hemisphere? For no instruments, not visually .. How was it written there? Lost your partner’s plane? And he blew through the fuselage from the flashlight to the engine .. If the partner was from the bottom .. So it turns out - the bomber pilot does not see anything underneath? can he even slam the camera from the parking sensors into his belly?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 9 September 2019 17: 44 New
      +3
      Well, who will look there? Yankees and Europeans are actively implementing augmented reality systems with helmet projection. But in the VKS there will not be such a high-tech 20 for years,
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 9 September 2019 18: 40 New
        +2
        Quote: donavi49
        Yankees and Europeans are actively implementing augmented reality systems with helmet projection. N

        They do not implement anything, bullshit is ordinary.
    2. bober1982
      bober1982 9 September 2019 18: 42 New
      +2
      Quote: Dikson
      that the Su-34 pilot doesn't see a damn thing about his back hemisphere? Not by any instrument, nor visually.

      The navigator sees the leader, and the crew of the follower sees everything.
      1. Dikson
        Dikson 10 September 2019 08: 14 New
        0
        bober1982 in this particular case, the navigator did not see anything, as well as the helper itself ... I still don’t understand .. - On relatively inexpensive cars there is a parking sensors system, on penny drones of despicable China - there is also a system warning about the dangerous proximity of the device to others objects, but on the newest Russian bomber, worth a hundred million green ones, it’s not. And there are no rear view mirrors. And even just like in the post-war bombers there is no plexiglass window in the cockpit floor .. On the passenger liners in the cabin, the camera is turned on, which looks down and forward. For fun. And in our combat vehicle, is the pilot like a horse blinkered, is forced to look strictly at the heading, or do you turn the barrels to look down? 21st century in the yard ...
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 10 September 2019 08: 37 New
          +3
          Who saw what or didn’t see - we still don’t know, and it’s still not correct to compare the plane with the car.
          Quote: Dikson
          And in our combat vehicle, is the pilot like a horse blinkered, is forced to look strictly at the heading, or do you turn the barrels to look down?

          There are no problems, look down, this is not the case. There is no automation and cannot be when flying in closed order - the speeds are very high, only the pilot can maneuver and react. The Americans have the same thing, I repeat once again - with such flights, flight is possible only in manual mode.
          1. Roman070280
            Roman070280 10 September 2019 11: 19 New
            -1
            As far as I understand, Eugene wrote above not about automation for maneuvering .. but about "automation" for detection ..
            I am far from aviation, but it seems to me that the example with the parking sensors was just very appropriate here ..
            If, in fact, one of them has lost sight of the other ... well, it’s just like you need a couple of cameras around the plane .. and like a car, you can determine the road markings, signs, ahead cars ... when everything is highlighted with a square. .
            And when he squeaks, and displays the information that there is another plane under you ten meters .. And then work "in manual mode"
            1. bober1982
              bober1982 10 September 2019 12: 14 New
              +1
              Quote: Roman070280
              about the "automation" for detection.

              There is plenty of such equipment on any aircraft.
              Quote: Roman070280
              If, in fact, one has lost sight of the other.

              There are rules and instructions for flights, which clearly spelled out the actions of the slave and the leader in this case. If a collision occurs, then the responsibilities of the master (follower) were violated, with good equipment.
              Can a car be compared with an airplane, an emergency is developing not just fast, but rapidly, no equipment will help.
              1. Roman070280
                Roman070280 10 September 2019 12: 39 New
                -1
                Well, I proceed from what was written above .. that they collided just because of the loss of visibility of each other .. So either not "with an excess of equipment", or something else is wrong ..
                I back up - I look at the camera, and sometimes parking sensors squeak, because I’m distracted and do not have time to turn my head around.
                And here, as you say yourself, the situation is developing much more rapidly .. It is clear that maybe the pilots did something there and didn’t follow the instructions .. but they just wouldn’t hinder them at that moment .. and didn’t force them to wave wings to look around ..
                1. bober1982
                  bober1982 10 September 2019 12: 58 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Roman070280
                  Well, I proceed from what was written above .. that they collided just because of the loss of visibility of each other.

                  And where did they get it that they lost each other? but, if they were lost due to loss of visibility, then the first action is to safely disperse, in course and altitude, this is the responsibility and such situations are discussed on the ground, and already at a safe distance and altitude to look for your leader or slave.
                  Quote: Roman070280
                  but an extra "squeak" just would not have bothered them at that moment ..

                  By the way, this same “squeak” can sound almost constantly, for example, when flying at extremely low altitude, the barometric altimeter indicates that the plane is flying underground, the radio altimeter arrow is twitching, the “squeak” is on, the display is blinking Dangerously, but the flight continues (in manual mode), here you have the equipment, and it’s not the point here, it’s just literally “confused” with such flights
  11. Pavel57
    Pavel57 9 September 2019 17: 25 New
    -1
    And it is very difficult to make an automated system a flight system /?
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 9 September 2019 18: 39 New
      +4
      There is one — inter-airplane navigation, at night in the clouds — the distance between the planes is 12 seconds, without it — 20 seconds, with closed battle formations there can be no auto system — only in manual mode.
      1. Doctor
        Doctor 9 September 2019 18: 57 New
        0
        in close combat

        But what's the point in modern conditions to fly in closed battle formations? So that one rocket covers both?
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 9 September 2019 19: 03 New
          +1
          Quote: Arzt
          But what's the point in modern conditions to fly in closed battle formations? So that one rocket covers both?

          And why - both? After all, the Su-34 bomber, build, build and build again - a pair, a link, a squadron, because these are strike groups.
          and, why do you think that they will cover the rocket, you have to work hard, it is not so easy to fill up.
          1. Doctor
            Doctor 9 September 2019 19: 33 New
            0
            build, build and build again - a couple, a link, a squadron, because these are shock groups.

            I understand this, the question is for you, as a specialist: what is the density of the modern system? Since the days of the Second World War, the speed has increased (less reaction time, more chance to collide), the damage ability of a weapon (rocket) has changed with an increase in the spread of fragments (a rocket in a dense pair can hit both), homing on planes is carried out by a radar (a dense pair is more noticeable? Or not?) . What is the distance between the master and the slave of the bombers when approaching the target in modern time?
            1. bober1982
              bober1982 9 September 2019 19: 49 New
              +4
              But what has changed since the time of the Second World War? - nothing has changed, like the bombing bomb groups, they remained.
              The classic construction of the battle order of the bombers, in the daytime in simple weather conditions (as an example), take a squadron. Simplified of course.
              Squadron - 12 aircraft, in close combat order, link (4 * aircraft) - closed, wing to wing, between links - two minutes. The strike is at the airfield, the first link enters the runway, the second link enters into the parking lot, the third link diverges into pairs — strike at the air defense and individual targets (I emphasize, simplified to say) The strike is delivered in a short time (why closed), with a minimum residence time in the affected area, with the active use of electronic warfare and maneuvering.
              The battle formations can be all 12 aircraft - in closed, this is the highest level, wing to wing, this is not a circus, this is combat work.
              1. Doctor
                Doctor 9 September 2019 20: 03 New
                0
                wing to wing

                Why such a density? Why not 40 meters apart? Is visual contact required in pairs now?
                1. Oyo Sarkazmi
                  Oyo Sarkazmi 9 September 2019 20: 23 New
                  +2
                  In such a system, it is difficult to direct both radar missiles (near) and infrared (far).
                  1. Doctor
                    Doctor 9 September 2019 20: 27 New
                    0
                    According to this system

                    On dense? Or open?
                    1. Oyo Sarkazmi
                      Oyo Sarkazmi 9 September 2019 20: 34 New
                      +4
                      On dense. The heads are small, the resolution is several meters. Due to vibration, the brightness (infra and radio) flickers, with a change in direction that the onboard computer can take for interference and begin to search for a “true” target.
                      The Americans fooled our S-75s in Vietnam, a system of 12 aircraft in a line with an interval of 40 meters. The backlight is huge, but impossible to get.
                2. bober1982
                  bober1982 9 September 2019 20: 24 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Arzt
                  Why not 40 meters apart?

                  This is a lot, it is no longer in close order, the slave drops bombs along the lead (or, the whole link), as a rule, affects the accuracy of bombing.
                  Quote: Arzt
                  Is visual contact required in pairs now?

                  Of course, it cannot be otherwise. It’s difficult for the wingmen to fly, the leader maneuvers - the whole group is behind him, you have to be very careful. No automation, system, devices will help, there isn’t and cannot be.
                  1. Doctor
                    Doctor 9 September 2019 20: 28 New
                    0
                    Of course, it cannot be otherwise.

                    Do Americans have that too?
                    1. bober1982
                      bober1982 9 September 2019 20: 33 New
                      0
                      Quote: Arzt
                      Do Americans have that too?

                      No, differently.
              2. Dikson
                Dikson 9 September 2019 22: 45 New
                0
                What an interesting tactic .. that is, only the third link, breaking into pairs, strikes at the air defense system of the attacked airfield .. And the first two fall under the distribution or something? In four minutes, how many missiles can an air defense system release? Is that how we teach pilots? Of the twelve cars - eight substitute under attack?
                1. dmmyak40
                  dmmyak40 9 September 2019 22: 51 New
                  +2
                  Why do they fall? The first two links strike and force the air defense system to find themselves, after which the third link hits them. A classic trick tested in all wars.
                2. bober1982
                  bober1982 10 September 2019 05: 08 New
                  +2
                  He said, simplified.
      2. Pavel57
        Pavel57 9 September 2019 20: 28 New
        0
        I think that it is possible to automate the flight in tight formation. Just nobody set a task.
  12. OSN Skif
    OSN Skif 9 September 2019 17: 33 New
    +8
    If "today" faraway people decide to hang the cost of repairs on the pilots, then there will be no one to fly tomorrow. "
  13. yehat
    yehat 9 September 2019 17: 34 New
    +4
    Quote: carstorm 11
    this is not the case. there are mistakes and there is frank negligence. Well, let's just say one thing is a mistake and another thing is such an accident due to, for example, hooliganism.

    To begin with, the agency should plan losses during operation.
    no matter what a good plane. an army is an army. here the sentries shoot at their feet
    and floating tanks are drowning one by one.
    such a case should by no means be something new.
  14. yehat
    yehat 9 September 2019 17: 39 New
    0
    Quote: Pavel57
    And it is very difficult to make an automated system a flight system /?

    there are hazard warning systems
    and there is no fully automatic even on ships whose maneuver is nowhere more primitive.
    there is no such thing on f-35.
    1. Pavel57
      Pavel57 9 September 2019 20: 32 New
      0
      No on the ships again - no one set a task.
  15. E.S.
    E.S. 9 September 2019 17: 40 New
    +8
    How strong the device is!
    That way, you can “push away from the Shoigu plane” the approaching NATO members simply by the phrase “get out of here, until you got the wingtip from the lantern!”
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 9 September 2019 17: 50 New
      +5
      Quote: E.S.
      until the wingtip didn’t get the lantern! "

      "And tear the fezulage from the cab to the engine" lol
      1. Tuzik
        Tuzik 9 September 2019 18: 39 New
        +2
        Classes)))))
  16. yehat
    yehat 9 September 2019 17: 40 New
    +1
    Quote: Lipchanin


    How did it happen???
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 9 September 2019 17: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: yehat
      How did it happen???

      I don’t remember exactly, this photo was posted here about 5 years ago.
      It seems like the strip was slippery.
      It seems so told
      1. yehat
        yehat 9 September 2019 17: 55 New
        +2
        most likely relocated at taxiing
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 9 September 2019 17: 58 New
          0
          Quote: yehat
          most likely relocated at taxiing

          Maybe.
          I really don’t remember. It has long been. It seems like they said who the pilots were and where it was.
          And it seems like the one on the right is to blame. You can see the pilots there
  17. Orkraider
    Orkraider 9 September 2019 17: 41 New
    +5
    God forbid, they will hang the amount for the pilots, there are not enough flyers anyway ..
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  19. yehat
    yehat 9 September 2019 17: 56 New
    +3
    Quote: E.S.
    "Get out of here, until the wingtip didn’t get the lantern!"

    jokes as jokes, but before 1941 the ram was a standard fighter maneuver worked out. We even had a theory and instructions on how to carry out a ram better.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 9 September 2019 18: 34 New
      0
      Quote: yehat
      but before 1941, ramming was the standard fighter maneuver practiced.

      Before 1941, ram was not even considered as maneuver, at the beginning of the war - yes, in order to raise morale, then they could punish the battering ram.
      1. dmmyak40
        dmmyak40 9 September 2019 20: 13 New
        +3
        Taran was one of the tactical methods of attacking enemy aircraft. The difference is that this technique was different from the sacrificial rams. As a result of the ramming, the enemy’s plane had to be destroyed, and our plane survive. Khlobifstov, if not mistaken, made 4 productive rams and nothing.
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 9 September 2019 20: 15 New
          -4
          Quote: dmmyak40
          Taran was one of the tactics of attacking enemy aircraft

          When they didn’t know how to fight, at the beginning of the war, then yes.
          1. dmmyak40
            dmmyak40 9 September 2019 22: 13 New
            0
            In most cases, yes, but do not forget that almost no one went to ram in the presence of ammunition, only in its absence. That is, sometimes - this is the only way to complete the task. For example, I-153 / Mig / LaGG / I-16 should intercept and destroy the scout. German aircraft easily withstood many ShKAS hits, and the BC cannon is also not endless. A German flies ... Taran. Even if you know how to fly.
          2. yehat
            yehat 10 September 2019 10: 35 New
            0
            far from newcomers practiced the battering ram - they could beat i-16 messers.
            it was not practiced out of inability.
  20. Thrifty
    Thrifty 9 September 2019 18: 03 New
    +2
    Maybe it’s time to legislatively ban this absurdity - to hang damaged equipment on the military? ??
  21. dgonni
    dgonni 9 September 2019 18: 14 New
    0
    Pilots Respect! With a union, such an incident with the same instant 23 would have simply been let down on the brakes at the division level, distributing earrings to all the sisters. That bishch to the pilots of the planer and on vacation komeska from the party committee committee. On PTO, the stump would be clear, they would have been smudged for a long time and still it was necessary to draw it up correctly.
    1. ODERVIT
      ODERVIT 9 September 2019 18: 37 New
      +4
      Well, you got excited. A similar incident at the division level? The high command would be notified in the shortest possible time. The commander is not a suicide, he also wanted to become the commander of the VA, or even higher.
      The report would have passed immediately along the lines of the Communist Party, the IAS and others, but it’s not worth talking about political fighters. They handed over all at once.
      1. dgonni
        dgonni 9 September 2019 19: 38 New
        +1
        In during the political and would have knocked. Although I came across flying. In the FGP was the 23rd brought on the wing and landing gear half of the short drive. Further the division did not go.
  22. tuts
    tuts 9 September 2019 18: 27 New
    0
    respect to the pilot who managed to land the plane
  23. Radikal
    Radikal 9 September 2019 18: 30 New
    -1
    Some experts said that repairs could be “hung up” on crews that “made a mistake when flying in pairs.” The Defense Ministry has not yet specified a specific amount of damage and does not comment on statements in the media about at whose expense the restoration of the bombers will be carried out.
    They should be awarded for professionalism in the real test of new equipment, verification of the structural strength of this aircraft model, as well as the reliability of the engines installed on it! sad
  24. bober1982
    bober1982 9 September 2019 18: 31 New
    +1
    Then the pilots realized that a collision occurred ......, merciless and harsh journalism.
  25. awg75
    awg75 9 September 2019 18: 42 New
    0
    rave. what is the point of hanging repairs on pilots if it is unrealistic to pay. if gouging, write off in motorized arrows. if during study, then what money from them. for such aircraft, especially important for Russia, in my opinion the selection should be very strict, there shouldn’t be any people passing by. but knowing our reality and pushing thieves kids is not surprising. it's a pity.
    1. your1970
      your1970 11 September 2019 09: 22 New
      0
      Quote: awg75
      if gouging, write off in motorized arrows.
      - Yes, in a week he will hang himself ...
      from l / s ... or start to eat, do not drink ....
      Pilots — they are like small children .. they are of course military — but not infantry, infantry is a weapon of mass destruction — the brain makes it immediately ....
      I watched it several times, as soon as the flyer receives the conscripts — in a day or two they will ride it, even if it hits their faces with it.
      In my memory - only two flyers were able to curb a little conscripts. And then these were OBATO fighters, also relatively NOT infantry
  26. APASUS
    APASUS 9 September 2019 18: 56 New
    +1
    1 It’s pointless to put such expenses on the crew; you can’t give them back in life. I think for this pilots should have insurance
    2 All remained alive and this is perhaps the main thing
  27. Kelwin
    Kelwin 9 September 2019 19: 28 New
    +5
    Funny iksperdy-zhurnalyugi with rents and their audience) One thing is not clear - why is it allowed to get such information into the “media" on its own and discuss it, this information, with all kinds of borschevarka and other bloggers-masturbates? Let the cats post, why inform them about such things? .
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  29. Adimius38
    Adimius38 9 September 2019 20: 27 New
    -2
    yes, professionals are still flyers ... really kicked out on .... with aviation
  30. AKS-U
    AKS-U 9 September 2019 20: 54 New
    +2
    From the official site: - "Today, the Center is the main base for studying the combat capabilities of the MiG-29, MiG-31, Su-24, Su-25, Su-27, Su-30, Su-34, Su-30SM and Su-35 aircraft with the subsequent introduction into practice of the Air Force of the achievements gained during flight experiments. "
    A kind of training for the capabilities of the pilot, machine, equipment. And what and how will they implement if the crews pay for the equipment.
    I was always interested in the question, how long will the Presidential Regiment stay in a combat position? Yes, and a kiverok, a service to a sniper.
    Do not execute the men, they saved the cars.
  31. tinibar
    tinibar 9 September 2019 20: 55 New
    +3
    This country is crazy (
  32. AKS-U
    AKS-U 9 September 2019 21: 00 New
    +1
    I compared this case with the infantry. Something like that - Srelba. Hit the target. Well done. Going on vacation. - Shooting. I missed the target. Woodpecker. Go pay at the cash desk for the spent ammunition.
    The shit.
  33. Alien From
    Alien From 9 September 2019 21: 30 New
    +1
    All the same, there is some hidden power in this "duckling" !!!!
  34. Radikal
    Radikal 9 September 2019 22: 26 New
    +1
    Quote: Radikal
    Some experts said that repairs could be “hung up” on crews that “made a mistake when flying in pairs.” The Defense Ministry has not yet specified a specific amount of damage and does not comment on statements in the media about at whose expense the restoration of the bombers will be carried out.
    They should be awarded for professionalism in the real test of new equipment, verification of the structural strength of this aircraft model, as well as the reliability of the engines installed on it! sad

    Strange, I’m quite serious, but here you can see a very "patriotic" audience.
    PS Note, I marked this category in quotation marks, if I don’t know anyone .... lol
  35. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 9 September 2019 22: 44 New
    0
    Quote: basmach
    A good hooligan pilot will not grow up. Due to lack of discipline. A good talent pilot, polished like a diamond by long training. Aviation is a flight discipline.
    In my time, both were decommissioned and would have fired the entry of 1. When we have in 92. the flyer with permission to fly to SMU during the rain landed in the middle of the lane (and it was 3200 m), did not release the brake and did not use the brakes, and instead of rolling out gravel at the end of the lane, decided to turn at taxiing speed at 90km (extreme ) then ditched the plane, it was thrown from the strip, all three pillars were formed and he lay on his “belly” and damaged the right plane. The pilot was written off for three for, a week later fired. And the plane was decommissioned a year later.

    I don’t know what’s about discipline ... but when deciphering black boxes, I saw such tricks of the pilots ... We had a poster on the wall with acceptable values ​​- will it be double for you? Ah, yes - objective control, 361-th AFP, at your service. :)
  36. not main
    not main 9 September 2019 23: 07 New
    0
    Quote: ROSS_Ulair
    And let's, in the event of a pilot error and the death of the car, hang the full cost on him or his family!
    By installments! Let's win!

    Here it is - capitalism in all its glory ... Evidently, things are very bad in the kingdom of Denmark ...

    I do not think that the technology is not insured. Or will recourse insurance be recovered?

    And you forgot how in the days of the USSR “they calculated for a tank or an airplane? Worst of all was“ naval ”!” But seriously, this is a pilot error, I do not exclude arrogance. The commission will draw conclusions. Pilots will not pay, but problems may arise with further service!
  37. Good mat
    Good mat 10 September 2019 03: 26 New
    +1
    The SU-24 has one wing - two consoles ... And the rest, but who knows what happens in the air and on the ground ..?! The guilty must answer, the degree of guilt should be determined by experts.
  38. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 10 September 2019 07: 05 New
    +3
    In aviation, there is always risk.
    But how much do they beat and shoot down on roads and sidewalks?
    And the killings were so cheap! It’s not to shoot from a pistol or to chop off an ax during self-defense of a bandit. Crushed - muttered, paid off, kill on.
    Some beauties have their hands to the elbow in blood, two hundred violations - everything gets away with it!
    They got to the bottom of the pilots ...
  39. airgus
    airgus 10 September 2019 11: 41 New
    +1
    Unfortunately, these are times now that prosecutors need a guilty person. In such cases, 99.9% is a pilot. No need to go far. On August 22.08, the court sentenced the MI-8 pilot, who, while flying along the route, hit the power transmission line support. 3.5 million rubles + a year of the colony were suspended on him. Here is such a policy now.
    1. your1970
      your1970 11 September 2019 08: 10 New
      0
      Quote: airgus
      On August 22.08, the court sentenced the MI-8 pilot, who, while flying along the route, hit the power transmission line support.

      A power line jumped across the route? Strange, no? Or is the pilot not all the same?
  40. panzerfaust
    panzerfaust 10 September 2019 12: 56 New
    0
    The guys saved the planes and survived - that’s the main thing! And the repair is due to Mrs. Shevtsova :)))
    1. airgus
      airgus 10 September 2019 13: 06 New
      +1
      Tell her about it))))
  41. SEMARGL
    SEMARGL 10 September 2019 13: 10 New
    +1
    REMEMBERED, HOT HEADS PART 1, YOU TAKE PLANE IN SEVERAL MILLION YES BUT I PAY OUT ON A DOLLAR WEEK! AND IF SERIOUSLY, ERRORS HAPPEN AT ALL AND AT RISK AND LEVEL. PROFESSIONAL ARE BORN IN THEM! PILOTS OF THE GOOD.
  42. MatrixLine
    MatrixLine 10 September 2019 14: 12 New
    +1
    I don’t know how in aviation, but while serving in the army in 1987, we had an emergency. Two soldiers of the communication center in the winter during a blackout in the unit (Altai, taiga) dragged a gas generator to the communication center and let's start it. Chih! there is no fuel, there is no light, the darkness of the eyes if one, let’s pour gasoline from a 20 liter flask with the second matches… as a result, they burned down the division headquarters ... According to the outcome of the trial, everyone paid 10 rubles (Soviet rubles), it was very expensive at times, but the collapse of the USSR saved them from this ...
  43. DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer 10 September 2019 15: 03 New
    0
    Some experts said that repairs could be “hung” on crews that “made a mistake while flying in a pair”

    What kind of expedition? What does it mean to hang on crews?
    Their job is to risk their lives, not to pay for repairs.
    Touching in tight formation or with loss of visibility is an inevitable risk of pilot training!
  44. svit55
    svit55 10 September 2019 21: 48 New
    0
    The photo is impressive. Half of the plane is torn off, and the remaining part is also turned out ..... How did the “rudders” have enough for landing? Flaps released, but slats did not come out? Well done, that planted!