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Defense Ministry declassified new archives under the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact

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The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation continues to publish declassified archival documents on both the period of World War II and the events that preceded it. Today, the military department opened Special sectiondedicated to the so-called Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.




The Russian Ministry of Defense has declassified a number of new documents from the Central Archive of the War Department on the non-aggression pact concluded by the Soviet Union and the Third Reich in 1939. The publication of archival data was timed to coincide with the 80 anniversary of the signing of the contract.

Materials published for the first time reveal unknown details of world military policy on the eve of the war.

- pay attention to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

The documents reveal a number of reasons why the USSR signed an agreement with Nazi Germany. In particular, the archives kept a memo addressed to the People's Commissar of Defense of the Soviet Union, written by the beg. General Staff of the Red Army Boris Shaposhnikov. The document, dated in the spring of 1938, gives an assessment of a possible union of Poland and the Third Reich. It is worth noting that, due to the secrecy of the information contained in it, the chief of the General Staff wrote the entire note, including the 31 sheet, by hand.

Possible union of Germany and Poland


In particular, it is noted that the high-ranking military then bothered not only the allied relations of Italy and Germany, but also the possible military alliance of the latter with Poland. A combined assessment of the combined forces of both states was also given: in total, about 7 were at their disposal tanks, about 4,5 thousand aircraft. The Third Reich had 96 infantry divisions, while Warsaw had 65 p.p.

Defense Ministry declassified new archives under the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact


Poland and Germany are the most likely opponents


Poland and Germany in the note are called the most likely opponents of the Soviet Union in the West. At the same time, Shaposhnikov emphasizes that there is a high probability of war on two fronts. The most likely enemy in the East is Japan, whose forces, however, were significantly linked by military operations in China.

Nevertheless, the Soviet military leader notes that even in this case, the Land of the Rising Sun is capable of transferring up to 1400 tanks and 1000 aircraft, as well as up to 33 infantry divisions to Northern Manchuria. Boris Mikhailovich considered the western direction a priority.

In parallel, Moscow was negotiating with Paris and London on the formation of an alliance against Berlin. Back in May 1939, the People's Commissar of Defense Klim Voroshilov proposed transferring to the allied forces about 5000 aircraft and 136 divisions.

The documents show that suspicions of a possible agreement between Germany and Poland were reinforced by the latter’s actions in Czechoslovakia (Poland captured the Tieszyn region and several other territories there). The USSR first of all tried to build a balanced position and form an alliance against Germany with the assertion of its interests in the field of state defense and border protection.
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  1. Ross_ulair
    Ross_ulair 9 September 2019 09: 50
    +8
    The document, dated in the spring of 1938, gives an assessment of a possible union of Poland and the Third Reich.

    Quite a reasonable estimate. Pshek only hatred for Russians and Germans, as well as dreams of "Poland from sea to sea", did not allow them to conduct a balanced foreign policy and receive all the bonuses from the state-buffer between the two states.

    And they shared Europe with Aloizych with a bang ...
  2. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 9 September 2019 09: 50
    +7
    That could be a nightmare for the USSR. As an option, the unification of Germany and Poland in the attack on the USSR. As an option. Then the agreement with Germany was absolutely correct and FORCED course, and the protocol - a cherry on the cake ...
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 9 September 2019 09: 57
      -1
      The Poles, like the Russians, were an inferior race for the Nazis. Therefore, the union of Germany with Poland was impossible.
      It would be more logical and more useful to unite with Poland against a common enemy - Nazi Germany.
      1. chenia
        chenia 9 September 2019 10: 04
        +32
        Quote: voyaka uh
        It would be more logical and more useful to unite with Poland


        By the way they wanted, but it is logical- This is not about the Poles.
        And France and Britain were not in a hurry.
        But in fact logical became a pact.
      2. Tuzik
        Tuzik 9 September 2019 10: 12
        +3
        There’s a slight likelihood that negotiations even took place on the first and second of September;
      3. Ross_ulair
        Ross_ulair 9 September 2019 10: 27
        +16
        Quote: voyaka uh
        The Poles, like the Russians, were an inferior race for the Nazis.

        Something did not stop the Nazis from conducting trading operations with the concerns and banks of the Rothschilds, Rockefellers and other famous clans of the ever-persecuted nation.
        So in general, they were friends with Switzerland and were always driven to visit the Nazis on commercial matters.

        So, IMHO, which was beneficial, then at this point in time and declared.
        The lower race of the Poles was quite successful for itself. The Sudetenland from Czechoslovakia, together with Hitler, was squeezed, and nothing was wrong for the higher race.
        1. Pedrodepackes
          Pedrodepackes 9 September 2019 11: 58
          +3
          Quote: ROSS_Ulair
          The lower race of the Poles was quite successful for itself. The Sudetenland from Czechoslovakia, together with Hitler, was squeezed, and nothing was wrong for the higher race.

          it was a bone from a lordly table for Poles, just Hitler wanted to show the world that the division of Czechoslovakia is pan-European affairs, and not just Germany. Then he surrendered and allied relations with Romania, when the USSR annexed the North. Bukovina and Bessarabia also looked through his fingers at moving the border away from Leningrad at the expense of his potential ally. Tricky, the bastard was.
      4. Senior seaman
        Senior seaman 9 September 2019 10: 38
        +10
        The likelihood of an alliance with the USSR with Poland, too, to put it mildly, is not great.
        And about the "inferior races" ... Well, the Germans did not highly appreciate the Balts either, but that did not prevent them from serving the Reich faithfully.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 9 September 2019 14: 06
          +3
          Ivan hi , in my opinion here you are a little wrong. From the Balts (except Lithuania), the Germans immediately began to form SS units, although then they were not at all running out with manpower. And subsequently, the Germans highly appreciated the combat effectiveness of these units. At least Estonian - for sure. And as for Poland, yes, here you are right, no one wants to have an ally for the "hyena of Europe". Neither the Germans nor the Russians.
          1. Senior seaman
            Senior seaman 9 September 2019 15: 23
            +1
            They began to form, but were they considered equal?
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 9 September 2019 15: 33
              0
              Yes, nationalists have problems with this.
      5. tomket
        tomket 9 September 2019 10: 41
        +4
        Quote: voyaka uh
        It would be more logical and more useful to unite with Poland against a common enemy - Nazi Germany.

        Actually, the USSR asked Poland for a corridor to help Czechoslovakia, but as you know, Poland refused. And in Poland, steps towards an alliance with Germany were taken against the USSR.
      6. anjey
        anjey 9 September 2019 10: 44
        +5
        England and France, together with Poland, the USSR, and proposed an alliance against Germany. Everyone refused, subtly referring to Poland’s reluctance, so that if at that time the idea of ​​fighting Nazism and not communism would prevail, then everything would be decided and Germany would be jointly hampered earlier and lesser blood of mankind ...
      7. Ezekiel 25-17
        Ezekiel 25-17 9 September 2019 10: 47
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        The Poles, like the Russians, were an inferior race for the Nazis. Therefore, the union of Germany with Poland was impossible.
        It would be more logical and more useful to unite with Poland against a common enemy - Nazi Germany.

        We have no logic in relations with Poland since the 16th century: only wars and emotions. And note: memory happens at the genetic level, this is about us with Poland.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 9 September 2019 11: 22
          +14
          "memory also happens at the genetic level, this is about us with Poland." ////
          ----
          This is so, unfortunately. This is especially vividly illustrated by the example of the Balkan peoples: Serbs, Bosnians and Croats are one and the same people, one Slavic tribe that once came to these lands. But the historical division into three religions foreshadowed these three branches of one nation into mortal enemies. You can’t imagine a stupider ... sad
          1. Ezekiel 25-17
            Ezekiel 25-17 9 September 2019 12: 42
            +2
            Quote: voyaka uh
            "memory also happens at the genetic level, this is about us with Poland." ////
            ----
            This is so, unfortunately. This is especially vividly illustrated by the example of the Balkan peoples: Serbs, Bosnians and Croats are one and the same people, one Slavic tribe that once came to these lands. But the historical division into three religions foreshadowed these three branches of one nation into mortal enemies. You can’t imagine a stupider ... sad

            I agree, unfortunately this is so.
          2. boss
            boss 9 September 2019 14: 38
            0
            why did the tribe come?
            if alien, then in time immemorial.
            Or are you aware of who lived on the territory of modern Serbia and Croatia in pre-Slavic times ?!
      8. tomket
        tomket 9 September 2019 10: 48
        +2
        Quote: voyaka uh
        The Poles, like the Russians, were an inferior race for the Nazis. Therefore, the union of Germany with Poland was impossible.
        It would be more logical and more useful to unite with Poland against a common enemy - Nazi Germany.

        By the way, yes, you would have entered into an alliance with Hezbollah or Iran, well, what’s there to fraternize, to deliver equipment to them, to perform together in amateur groups?))))
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 9 September 2019 11: 28
          +4
          Israel was friends with Iran for a long time, before the Islamic Revolution.
          There is no problem renewing a good relationship after the Islamist ayatollahs are gone. Shiite Arabs live in Lebanon. They, under the influence of Iran, organized the Hezbollah group. When radical Islamism disappears in Iran, Hezbollah also disappears. Then with the Shiites of Lebanon it will be possible to live in a good-neighborly manner. We are friends with Shiite Azerbaijan.
          1. tomket
            tomket 9 September 2019 12: 01
            +1
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Israel was friends with Iran for a long time, before the Islamic Revolution.
            There is no problem renewing a good relationship after the Islamist ayatollahs are gone. Shiite Arabs live in Lebanon.

            No "friends before", or "but if those leave, and these come." The question was about those who are here and now. In the same way, Poland was wandering. The analogy is straightforward.
      9. Olgovich
        Olgovich 9 September 2019 11: 15
        +7
        Quote: voyaka uh
        The Poles, like the Russians, were an inferior race for the Nazis. Therefore, the union of Germany with Poland was impossible.

        But what about the Slovaks? And the Bulgarians? These are Hitler's allies.
        Until 1939, the Germans were normal with the Poles.
        Hundreds of thousands of ethnic Poles drafted and served in the Wehrmacht
        Quote: voyaka uh
        It would be more logical and more useful to unite with Poland against a common enemy - Nazi Germany

        I would otherwise ask a question: knowing in advance, until 1.09.39g, the real course of a future war, would the Poles agree to an alliance with the USSR?
        Even in this case, I doubt it very much ....
        1. tomket
          tomket 9 September 2019 12: 03
          +4
          Quote: Olgovich
          I would have asked a different question: knowing in advance, before 1.09.39, the real course of a future war, would the Poles agree to an alliance with the USSR?
          Even in this case, I doubt it very much ....

          Considering the behavior of the so-called "government in London", then, of course, they would not agree to any union.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 9 September 2019 12: 41
            +1
            Quote: tomket
            Considering the behavior of the so-called "government in London", then, of course, they would not agree to any union.

            And I think so
      10. strannik1985
        strannik1985 9 September 2019 11: 26
        +2
        Call to the Wehrmacht is not stopping laughing Ryszard Kaczmarek believes that about half a million Poles were called up during the war.
      11. Eragon
        Eragon 9 September 2019 13: 28
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        The Poles, like the Russians, were an inferior race for the Nazis. Therefore, the union of Germany with Poland was impossible.

        Why is it impossible? Because the Slavs? So the Czechs and Slovaks are no less Slavs than the Poles and nothing, fought in the Wehrmacht. Another question as fought. Won - that’s the lower race. And what kind of Romanians are Aryans with Bulgarians ...
      12. panov_panov
        panov_panov 9 September 2019 18: 41
        +2
        And nevertheless, this did not prevent the Germans, together with the Poles, to tear apart Czechoslovakia, by mutual agreement, and then the "Aryans" did not disdain to conclude a pact rather than an attack with the USSR)). All the initiatives of the USSR, the Poles suppressed at the root, that's really what an agreement and unification were not possible at that time, it was between the USSR and Poland!)
      13. Dart2027
        Dart2027 9 September 2019 19: 32
        +4
        Quote: voyaka uh
        The Poles, like the Russians, were an inferior race for the Nazis. Therefore, the union of Germany with Poland was impossible.


        Oh really? And by the way, what did Hitler do when Pilsudski died - declared mourning?
        https://burckina-faso.livejournal.com/277341.html
      14. naidas
        naidas 9 September 2019 20: 33
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        More logical and more useful

        I think it’s more logical and useful for you to read about the politics of Poland in the 30s.
      15. bukhach
        bukhach 9 September 2019 22: 36
        0
        You are a strange person, but in alliance with whom did the Poles of the Czechs rob?
  3. Far B
    Far B 9 September 2019 10: 01
    +3
    So much for the "secret protocol on the partition of Poland," the original of which was "lost." If there was such an agreement - then why the heck Shaposhnikov consider a military alliance between Germany and Poland very likely? A fundamental contradiction. It is necessary for Gorbachev to shove a boiler into the anus - let him tell how the fake was riveted. He is, after all, almost the only living witness.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 9 September 2019 10: 15
      +4
      "secret protocol on the partition of Poland", the original of which was "lost" ////
      ----
      Nothing was lost. Both copies were preserved - in Russian and German, both printed on typewriters. Both with captions.
      ---
      At first, back in the 50s, the Americans found a copy in German in the archives of the German Foreign Ministry. He was translated into English and published. The USSR declared it a fake. And recently, Russia itself has published its copy - its text fully coincides with the one that the Americans translated.
    2. tomket
      tomket 9 September 2019 10: 46
      +4
      Quote: Dalny V
      So much for the "secret protocol on the partition of Poland," the original of which was "lost." If there was such an agreement - then why the heck Shaposhnikov consider a military alliance between Germany and Poland very likely? A fundamental contradiction. It is necessary for Gorbachev to shove a boiler into the anus - let him tell how the fake was riveted. He is, after all, almost the only living witness.

      Isaev released a video with a good overview of the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact. In general, there is nothing demonic in that pact. Actually, all the istiry around it is connected with only one moment, based on the afterlife. Namely, the fact that Hitler became a cannibal.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 9 September 2019 11: 32
        0
        Hitler built the first concentration camps immediately after coming to power - a month later. Ram attack aircraft began to grab, torture and put in these concentration camps people displeased by the Nazis instantly. That is, Hitler became an ogre early.
        1. Operator
          Operator 9 September 2019 11: 39
          0
          The Jewish organizations of Germany as one in 1933 warmly welcomed Hitler's rise to power by posting loyal articles in the German press. Until September 1, 1939, German Jewish organizations actively collaborated with the SS troops in the mass preparation and sending of 50 thousands of Jewish saboteurs to the territory of British mandate Palestine.

          Those. German Jews did not consider Hitler a cannibal before the outbreak of World War II.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 9 September 2019 11: 47
            -1
            For: Operator.
            For you, a convinced ideological neo-Nazi, the support of Hitler is natural and understandable. smile
            But, fortunately, there are few such people on this forum. I talk with other people on the topic of temporary historical enmity between peoples. fellow
            1. Operator
              Operator 9 September 2019 11: 54
              0
              Zionists, including you, are neo-Nazis.
        2. tomket
          tomket 9 September 2019 11: 58
          +2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Hitler built the first concentration camps immediately after coming to power - a month later. Ram attack aircraft began to grab, torture and put in these concentration camps people displeased by the Nazis instantly. That is, Hitler became an ogre early.

          And England and France looked at it blankly ????
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 9 September 2019 12: 06
            0
            True, alas. "Internal Affair".
            Nobody reacted to the Gulag either, although there was infa. There was no monitoring of "human rights" then. Until you attack your neighbors in a major war, you are tolerated.
            1. bukhach
              bukhach 9 September 2019 23: 08
              0
              And what has changed? Empty words about "human rights" have appeared, and nothing more. Moreover, they begin to shout about these very rights when necessary, and when necessary, they easily forget about their existence and, moreover, deny innocent people even the right to life, the bombing of Israel and other developed democracies is an example of this. In the fight for the rights of the Albanians, for example, you can bomb the Serbs, then now you have to bomb the Albanians for the rights of the Serbs?
          2. Captain Pushkin
            Captain Pushkin 9 September 2019 22: 36
            0
            Quote: tomket
            Hitler became an ogre early.

            And England and France looked at it blankly ????

            Why did they "look". At that time England was pumping loans to Germany - the German economy was growing at that time, it was a sin not to take part in the distribution of profits.
        3. Puzoter
          Puzoter 9 September 2019 14: 13
          +6
          First, Hitler did not invent and built the first concentration camps. Secondly, then all the camps were built, including the Americans - for their citizens of Japanese descent. And also the Americans and the British bombed hundreds of cities in Germany and Japan, including atomic weapons for no particular military reason. So, Hitler is certainly an eater, but others are no better.
          1. Alex Justice
            Alex Justice 9 September 2019 17: 41
            +3
            Yes, and Vietnam has shown what America is capable of. Millions of Vietnamese died before the people of America stopped the invasion.
            1. Mic1969
              Mic1969 9 September 2019 20: 51
              0
              Can all the same people of Vietnam?
        4. Captain Pushkin
          Captain Pushkin 9 September 2019 19: 05
          +1
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Hitler built the first concentration camps immediately after coming to power - a month later.

          The Poles organized their concentration camps (even the word "built" is bad there) long before Hitler came to power.
  4. Izotovp
    Izotovp 9 September 2019 10: 01
    +3
    Stalin was well aware that war was inevitable and spoke about this back in 1929. Therefore, there was an enhanced rearmament of the army. Each month of delay was our gain.
  5. Tuzik
    Tuzik 9 September 2019 10: 08
    +8
    And was it worth hiding it for 80 years?
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 9 September 2019 10: 09
      0
      why trump cards ahead of time to spread? and even more so, secrecy was not just invented and respected by deadlines.
      1. Tuzik
        Tuzik 9 September 2019 10: 38
        +3
        For history buffs, this is a spit, especially for those who have written many works on this topic.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 9 September 2019 12: 15
          +4
          history buffs will think the next time before writing works based on their speculation and not reliable facts.
    2. The Siberian barber
      The Siberian barber 9 September 2019 12: 26
      +1
      Quote: Tuzik
      And was it worth hiding it for 80 years?

      In the days of VD, we were on one side of the barricades, with the NDP
      Well, and the marked and the last ones, all the more worth it. In "new concept", Poland is a victim of "the maniac Stalin, with his cannibalistic ginger", and in general, "Russian barbarians", in general)))
      I recall: I would, in the place of our Ministry of Foreign Affairs, poke the faces of the Poles, in their own guano, CONSTANTLY, mentioning the joint, with Adolf, derban of Czechoslovakia.
      Here, right everywhere .. Not inside the country, but at all sites, "for"
      That's why I'm not in the Foreign Ministry ... laughing
  6. rocket757
    rocket757 9 September 2019 10: 17
    0
    Nothing here and there, these documents will not be corrected! Greed and stupidity rules .... where a lot! So it was, it will be so.
  7. Valerikk
    Valerikk 9 September 2019 10: 18
    +6
    Quote: voyaka uh
    It would be more logical and more useful to unite with Poland against a common enemy - Nazi Germany.

    From the category of fiction. The gentry would rather suicide than go to such an alliance. Which, in fact, happened.
  8. exo
    exo 9 September 2019 11: 22
    +3
    Quote: voyaka uh
    The Poles, like the Russians, were an inferior race for the Nazis. Therefore, the union of Germany with Poland was impossible.
    It would be more logical and more useful to unite with Poland against a common enemy - Nazi Germany.

    This did not prevent the "lower" race: the Poles, together with the Germans, to destroy the Jews. Therefore, all sorts of symbiosis are possible. And the hatred of the Poles for Russia is very old. So are their ambitions. For an alliance with Soviet Russia, they would not go.
    1. screw cutter
      screw cutter 9 September 2019 12: 37
      +2
      Rather, not "the hatred of the Poles for Russia," but the hatred of the Catholic Church for the Orthodox.
      1. Alex Justice
        Alex Justice 9 September 2019 17: 43
        +1
        Rather, not "the hatred of the Poles for Russia," but the hatred of the Catholic Church for the Orthodox.

        Religions pit peoples.
  9. saylor1971
    saylor1971 9 September 2019 11: 46
    0
    These are special stuffing in order to cover up the Munich conspiracy, which in fact opened up the possibility for World War II. Such documents should be opened very carefully. I have not heard this in Munich.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 9 September 2019 12: 08
      +1
      All documents on the Munich agreement have long been published.
      1. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 9 September 2019 19: 10
        +1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        All documents on the Munich agreement have long been published.

        Is everything straight? And why is Hess classified? This is a continuation of the Munich agreement.
    2. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 9 September 2019 17: 48
      +1
      Such documents should be opened very carefully.

      The law is needed both in the west. All documents must be declassified after 50 years, and in Russia after 70 years, until now, they show one page a day.
      1. Puzoter
        Puzoter 9 September 2019 18: 10
        +1
        There is no such law in the West. More precisely, there is, but for example, in the United States, "the leaders of the military, as well as a number of other ministries and departments, have the right and are ordered to delay the declassification of documents related to the interests of" ensuring national security "practically indefinitely."
      2. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 9 September 2019 19: 12
        +4
        Quote: Alex Justice
        The law is needed both in the west. All documents must be declassified after 50 years.

        In the "west" a lot of things from the eve of the Second World War and in 100 years will not be declassified.
  10. Ukrainian socialist
    Ukrainian socialist 9 September 2019 12: 22
    0
    Thanks for the link, I really looked forward to declassifying something new. At leisure I read.
  11. Nadir shah
    Nadir shah 9 September 2019 18: 00
    -1
    Quote: ROSS_Ulair
    The document, dated in the spring of 1938, gives an assessment of a possible union of Poland and the Third Reich.

    Quite a reasonable estimate. Pshek only hatred for Russians and Germans, as well as dreams of "Poland from sea to sea", did not allow them to conduct a balanced foreign policy and receive all the bonuses from the state-buffer between the two states.

    And they shared Europe with Aloizych with a bang ...

    I’m afraid they wouldn’t hold out with such neighbors anyway, at best they would become a vassal of one of them. Would that be good? in history there is neither good nor bad. But at least it would be fun.
  12. Nadir shah
    Nadir shah 9 September 2019 18: 04
    -2
    Quote: voyaka uh
    "memory also happens at the genetic level, this is about us with Poland." ////
    ----
    This is so, unfortunately. This is especially vividly illustrated by the example of the Balkan peoples: Serbs, Bosnians and Croats are one and the same people, one Slavic tribe that once came to these lands. But the historical division into three religions foreshadowed these three branches of one nation into mortal enemies. You can’t imagine a stupider ... sad

    well, they became enemies recently, even in the Middle Ages they lived in peace. Well, yes, Islam didn’t really fall into the topic, but, on the other hand, the Serbs themselves left their homes, which allowed the Turks to colonize the void. Here is the result.
  13. Nadir shah
    Nadir shah 9 September 2019 18: 05
    0
    Quote: patron
    why did the tribe come?
    if alien, then in time immemorial.
    Or are you aware of who lived on the territory of modern Serbia and Croatia in pre-Slavic times ?!

    this may seem surprising, but there were other nations on those lands - strange, right? If you do not take into account that the Proto-Slavs stood out from the Indo-Europeans who came from the depths of Asia, then in ancient times there were still Dacians, Illyrians, and some other characters.
    1. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 9 September 2019 19: 19
      -1
      Quote: Nadir Shah
      this may seem surprising, but there were other nations on those lands - strange, right?

      On Earth, generally habitable places were rarely empty. And then, usually, after all the residents were completely destroyed by any aliens or neighbors.
      As an example, the lands adjacent to the Crimean Khanate - (Wild Field) there who were not cut out or taken for sale into slavery, ran away wherever they looked.
  14. Nadir shah
    Nadir shah 9 September 2019 18: 06
    0
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Israel was friends with Iran for a long time, before the Islamic Revolution.
    There is no problem renewing a good relationship after the Islamist ayatollahs are gone. Shiite Arabs live in Lebanon. They, under the influence of Iran, organized the Hezbollah group. When radical Islamism disappears in Iran, Hezbollah also disappears. Then with the Shiites of Lebanon it will be possible to live in a good-neighborly manner. We are friends with Shiite Azerbaijan.

    there is no radical Islamism there, no matter how Jews and Americans claim otherwise.
  15. Nadir shah
    Nadir shah 9 September 2019 18: 08
    0
    Quote: Eragon
    Quote: voyaka uh
    The Poles, like the Russians, were an inferior race for the Nazis. Therefore, the union of Germany with Poland was impossible.

    Why is it impossible? Because the Slavs? So the Czechs and Slovaks are no less Slavs than the Poles and nothing, fought in the Wehrmacht. Another question as fought. Won - that’s the lower race. And what kind of Romanians are Aryans with Bulgarians ...

    Yeah, although also Indo-Europeans. However, the Nazi theory of any scientists makes you cry.
  16. Nadir shah
    Nadir shah 9 September 2019 18: 09
    -1
    Quote: Far In
    So much for the "secret protocol on the partition of Poland," the original of which was "lost." If there was such an agreement - then why the heck Shaposhnikov consider a military alliance between Germany and Poland very likely? A fundamental contradiction. It is necessary for Gorbachev to shove a boiler into the anus - let him tell how the fake was riveted. He is, after all, almost the only living witness.

    Considering that they did divide it and even later additionally change it, as Napoleon and Alexander once did, then how to say it.
  17. Nadir shah
    Nadir shah 9 September 2019 18: 11
    -3
    Quote: Siberian barber
    Quote: Tuzik
    And was it worth hiding it for 80 years?

    In the days of VD, we were on one side of the barricades, with the NDP
    Well, and the marked and the last ones, all the more worth it. In "new concept", Poland is a victim of "the maniac Stalin, with his cannibalistic ginger", and in general, "Russian barbarians", in general)))
    I recall: I would, in the place of our Ministry of Foreign Affairs, poke the faces of the Poles, in their own guano, CONSTANTLY, mentioning the joint, with Adolf, derban of Czechoslovakia.
    Here, right everywhere .. Not inside the country, but at all sites, "for"
    That's why I'm not in the Foreign Ministry ... laughing

    Namely, since the logic in the spirit of "and you have blacks lynched" in a decent society - a sign of cattle.
  18. Nadir shah
    Nadir shah 9 September 2019 18: 13
    -2
    Quote: exo
    Quote: voyaka uh
    The Poles, like the Russians, were an inferior race for the Nazis. Therefore, the union of Germany with Poland was impossible.
    It would be more logical and more useful to unite with Poland against a common enemy - Nazi Germany.

    This did not prevent the "lower" race: the Poles, together with the Germans, to destroy the Jews. Therefore, all sorts of symbiosis are possible. And the hatred of the Poles for Russia is very old. So are their ambitions. For an alliance with Soviet Russia, they would not go.

    before the division of the RP there was no hatred, and this is the 18th century (the last section is generally close to the 19th century), so it doesn't feel like "very old". Like ours, the brainwashing of the population of the type "all around are bloodthirsty, thirsty for the flesh and blood of Mother Russia," also nothing at all works. Even though it is extremely effective.
  19. Nadir shah
    Nadir shah 9 September 2019 20: 24
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    this may seem surprising, but there were other nations on those lands - strange, right?

    On Earth, generally habitable places were rarely empty. And then, usually, after all the residents were completely destroyed by any aliens or neighbors.
    As an example, the lands adjacent to the Crimean Khanate - (Wild Field) there who were not cut out or taken for sale into slavery, ran away wherever they looked.

    That's it. In the end, Indo-Europeans are everywhere alien, as they migrated from Asia to Europe, and Iran and India, so all their descendants are also automatic aliens (and in the same Europe, one of the proofs is the Basques, the last surviving from the indigenous population). Or, as in Africa, they say, Europeans-colonists of local zoosuls oppress. Forgetting that the zusuls came from the northwest and the same oppressors.

    And the wild field is a very original place, for the bare steppes, in the end, it is not surprising that it was empty with the nomadic neighbors until the Cossacks and others came in large numbers.
  20. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 10 September 2019 14: 15
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    "secret protocol on the partition of Poland", the original of which was "lost" ////
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    Nothing was lost. Both copies were preserved - in Russian and German, both printed on typewriters. Both with captions.
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    At first, back in the 50s, the Americans found a copy in German in the archives of the German Foreign Ministry. He was translated into English and published. The USSR declared it a fake. And recently, Russia itself has published its copy - its text fully coincides with the one that the Americans translated.

    1. This is not entirely true, or rather, completely wrong.
    The US published something complete with errors and inconsistencies claiming that it was found in the archives of the German Foreign Ministry. Then this "document" was copied in the USSR, declared a fake and kept in a secret fund.
    After 1991, these copies of American documents were found in secret Soviet archives and were "declassified" for the trial of the CPSU. Of course the text completely matches the American translation because it is a copy of the same American document with all its errors. Everything is very simple and stupid.
    2. The first state that attacked the Soviet republics after the revolution beat Poland. This beat gratitude for the right to self-determination granted to the revolution. The aggression of Poland in 1919-21 differed German only in the fact that Poland was an invader much weaker than Nazi Germany. Then Poland seized part of the territory of Ukraine and Belarus and occupied them until 1939. What can be doubted that without the Ribentrop-Molotov Pact the alliance of Germany, Poland and Japan attacked the USSR in September 1939 under the good eyes and patronage of the British Empire and France. The pact confused all their calculations to destroy the USSR with the help of Hitler, fed by him. The dog attacked its owners. That they will never forgive Stalin.
  21. Georgy Nikolaevich
    Georgy Nikolaevich 11 September 2019 10: 00
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    Stalin with this package placed Germany with Poland, England and France.
    as for Poland, Ana pursued a policy of both Russophobian and anti-German policies (which Stalin put to)