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Polish authorities come up with a barrier for Ukrainian migrant workers

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In Poland, a scheme was opened that allowed the Ukrainian "zarobitchans" (migrant workers) to work in Poland continuously for more than 30 days. Recall that at the moment there is a visa-free regime between Ukraine and the European Union, which provides for Ukrainians visiting Europe without a visa exclusively as tourists, but not for work. For those wishing to work in the same Poland, quotas are allocated that have recently been proposed to be reduced, since the Ukrainian labor force is dumping on the Polish labor market.


Polish authorities come up with a barrier for Ukrainian migrant workers

Ukrainian guest worker collecting berries in Poland


But the reduction in quotas for Ukrainian guest workers in Poland has not yet led to a real reduction in the number of “earned pay”.

The Polish legal adviser, an expert in the field of labor relations Przemysl Ziszek says that many Polish employers who are interested in relatively cheap labor have learned to circumvent quotas.

According to him, entrepreneurs from Poland open subsidiaries in Ukraine, which receive the right to delegate employees to work in Poland. At the same time, Polish companies themselves formally conduct activities in Ukraine. Their main job is actually labor recruitment (recruiting).

Now, the Polish authorities decided to create a real barrier for Ukrainian guest workers, paying attention to the option of entry for migrant workers, which is described above. Polish employers who have representative offices abroad will be obligated to confirm that their main activity is carried out precisely outside of Poland. If it turns out that the placement of workers in Poland is the only occupation of the company, then both the employees and his employer will have to pay additional contributions and taxes in Poland during the placement.

According to some reports, this legislative initiative could lead to the fact that Ukrainian migrant workers, and companies involved in the recruitment of labor in Ukraine themselves, can lose up to a third of their income. Poland plans to send these funds to its budget, hoping in parallel to reduce the number of foreign workers on its territory due to the fact that not everyone wants to go to work in Poland in the event of a significant decrease in earnings.
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  1. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 9 September 2019 08: 18
    +14
    Then the Poles with the Ukrainians found each other ... resourcefulness and corruptness multiplied by the psychology of trading ... overcome any legal barriers))
    1. Rwmos
      Rwmos 9 September 2019 10: 18
      -2
      The most important thing is that both are slaves, that they understand each other)))
    2. boss
      boss 9 September 2019 14: 51
      +2
      mdaaa, the characteristic is negative.
      BUT you would like to familiarize yourself with the level of average salary in Poland, in order to broaden your horizons, you will be surprised at how much it is higher than in Russia.
      and if you look at the median, compared with the Russian Federation, you will be surprised much more.
      we have the average income, it’s like the average temperature in the hospital, some have a fever with delirium, others have completely cooled down to life, BUT AVERAGE, only a mild inflammatory process)
      there are effective managers with an income of hundreds of millions, and there is an army of those who are at a minimum of 12 thousand, but on average, for 70 ...
      And yes, the Poles in this way do NOT put up a barrier, they simply stream the money from firms outside Poland, and redirect them to their budget.
      according to the estimates of Polish economists, it was the influx of migrants from Ukraine in the period from 14 to 18 that provided Poland with a record economic growth in recent years.
      1. Zliy_mod
        Zliy_mod 11 September 2019 00: 57
        +1
        Over the past six months, almost 5 million Ukrainians have left for Poland, and we are going to work in large numbers in Poland, the Czech Republic, and Lithuania.
  2. Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 9 September 2019 08: 20
    +7
    Ukrainian guest worker collecting berries in Poland

    Is this visible on the hands? belay
    According to some reports, this legislative initiative could lead to the fact that Ukrainian migrant workers, and companies involved in the recruitment of labor in Ukraine themselves, can lose up to a third of their income. Poland plans to direct these funds to its budget,

    For the maintenance of the mattress contingent
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 9 September 2019 08: 33
    +3
    Expected. This could not continue indefinitely ...
    1. 210ox
      210ox 9 September 2019 09: 57
      0
      Of course. Yes, and loans to Poland must be given. Money is needed ..
      1. machinistvl
        machinistvl 9 September 2019 11: 07
        -4
        Soon, Ukrainians will be banned from working with the Psheks. And they will tumble down Mother to enemies to Russia.
    2. Pedrodepackes
      Pedrodepackes 9 September 2019 11: 01
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      This could not continue indefinitely ...

      you do not know greedy Poles and cunning Ukrainians, they will find more ways to fool each other, their competition of minds is a modern "perpetuum mobile" laughing
  4. rocket757
    rocket757 9 September 2019 08: 44
    0
    According to some reports, this legislative initiative could lead to the fact that Ukrainian migrant workers, and companies involved in the recruitment of labor in Ukraine themselves, can lose up to a third of their income.

    And who expected something else?
    Poles, it's all voters ... the party in power does not want to be in the span NEVER!
    1. Oyo Sarkazmi
      Oyo Sarkazmi 9 September 2019 08: 54
      +2
      It is for the insurance against the "flight" that American troops are needed on the territory of Poland (Latvia, Estonia) - if the army suddenly supports supporters of national (not American!) Interests.
      The Americans take the Polish General Staff - and the zholniki obediently shoot the disgruntled Poles.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 9 September 2019 09: 35
        +1
        Quote: Oo sarcasm
        It is for the insurance against the "flight" that American troops are needed in Poland

        Are you sure? well, such a version .... although, it is very doubtful.
  5. Sergei 23
    Sergei 23 9 September 2019 08: 47
    +7
    learned to circumvent quotas. Tuk everyone has their own interest. State taxes. Employer lower costs and get more profit.
  6. Avior
    Avior 9 September 2019 08: 47
    +9
    The title text does not match the text of the article.
    This does not pose any barrier to the Zarobitchites, and does not impose any restrictions on them.
    The new rule is directed against cunning pans from Poland who do not want to register foreign workers in Poland (and pay for registration, although there is a small amount), and do not want to pay taxes in Poland for the work of recruiting firms.
    And for the Poles themselves, the conditions are so preferential that even a work visa is not necessary in some cases. The Poles themselves fled to Germany and generally dispersed to Europe for higher salaries, in their place the Polish authorities actually lured Ukrainians, to the detriment of the Ukrainian economy and industry.
    In Ukraine, the search for qualified specialists in some areas, such as builders, welders and others, really became a problem.
    1. Naive
      Naive 9 September 2019 12: 14
      0
      With Belarus the same trouble.
  7. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 9 September 2019 08: 50
    +5
    The problem with "guest users" is the same all over Europe and across Russia. Take big cities, where public transport is under them, utilities, construction sites, roads. Dumping wages leads to social tension. Some cases of hostility between locals and newcomers appear in the media, but tensions are growing. Many people not only from the provinces, but also from suburban villages cannot find work in the city, because there are "state workers". Everything here rests on legislation. Take the example of Sweden, Finland and some European regions, where for one arbeiter you need to pay social security from 400 to 600 euros per month (what for a handyman, what for a qualified). So part of it already disappears, because it hits the owner's pocket. For an illegal immigrant, a fine to a company is from 30 to 40 thousand (in Estonia 30 to Finland 40). It all depends on whether the state wants to clean up its market and its people.
    1. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 9 September 2019 18: 07
      0
      That's right. We have a list of popular specialties.
  8. cniza
    cniza 9 September 2019 08: 51
    0
    Their main job is actually labor recruitment (recruiting).


    This can be called slavery.
  9. Ros 56
    Ros 56 9 September 2019 08: 54
    0
    And they, in the sense of the Sumerians, what did they think? Gundosy and treated in a bag and stick.
  10. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 9 September 2019 09: 08
    -5
    Ukrgastarbytera go to Poland from laziness, smarter go to the Czech Republic, Italy and so on.
    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 9 September 2019 11: 15
      -7
      ukrgastarbaytera anger minus, maybe the clowns show their disgusting pugs?))
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 11 September 2019 08: 16
        0
        Lord of the Sith, you are right! My friend from Odessa is a smart intelligent construction engineer. For five years he has been working in the Czech Republic, at the Bombardier plant, as a welder. Cooks cases for high-speed trains. During his first trip he worked at the same factory as a handyman. He cooks metal very well. He showed himself. The next trip was told to bring a university diploma, welder certificates. He took courses from the factory for advanced training. Passed the exams.
        He told me that the Czechs themselves offer sharovarnikov to learn, but they children, nezalezhnoy, remove shit and be slaves, easier and more satisfying.
        He was also lucky that the master at the factory came across a Czech who had studied under the Union in Barnaul. (my friend is also from Barnaul)
  11. Antares
    Antares 9 September 2019 09: 08
    +5
    Andrzej Korkus, president of the recruiting company EWL According to him, it is Germany that every third Ukrainian who leaves Poland chooses.
    Currently, only every fourth Ukrainian plans to continue to work in Poland. And about one in three has not yet considered this problem.


    The Poles have already played out with their attitude and their policies to the point of experiencing labor shortages and potential threats from external competitors with better working conditions

    Employers rack their brains, because no one else wants to be hired. The Polish government is puzzling when it turns out that there is no one to work in the country. Unfortunately, but so far no one has created a comprehensive policy for employees from Ukraine

    - says Yuri Karjagin.

    According to estimates of the Government Council for Population of Poland, by 2050, 5 million economic migrants should be accepted in Poland in order to maintain the current pace of economic development. According to the Association of Entrepreneurs and Employers, the outflow from the labor market of 500 immigrants from Ukraine is a potential loss for Poland’s GDP of 000 percent. This is a third of the growth of Polish GDP.
    The neighbors have already prepared to absorb the vacated resource.

    The weakening of regulations in Germany may take away from Warsaw 20-25% of Ukrainian workers in the next four years.
    The Czech government decided to change the rules for employing foreigners in the state. So, starting in September, new quotas for the number of foreigners will be launched, and the number of Ukrainians who can legally work in the Czech Republic will more than double - from 19 thousand 600 to 40 thousand.
    However, even such a significant increase in quotas for foreigners will not satisfy the demand of Czech employers, who currently lack about half a million workers.

    In 2018, Ukrainians working in the Czech Republic transferred the most money home. Ukrainian zarobitchans transferred a considerable amount of money home from the Czech Republic over the year compared to other foreigners who work in the republic. So, Ukrainian zarobitchane for a year transferred home about 600 million euros.
    But these are all the problems of the Czech Republic, Poland and other countries.
    The main problem is in Ukraine itself. Neighbors just bleed the economy.
    in July, the National Bank submitted a report in which it said that in Ukraine in all areas there is an acute shortage of labor. Even the rising salary does not hold (it is still lower than that of the neighbors)
    The planned growth of 5% may not take place peacefully if there are no manpower. There will be no one to do and develop. And without consumption and production, it is difficult to achieve something.
    Here you either need to spend it as an average American, producing as it is (efficiently) - it’s difficult to do anything at all. Or something else ..
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 9 September 2019 09: 31
      +5
      Employers rack their brains, because no one else wants to be hired.
      What is there to break? Pay a normal salary and there will be no end to candidates. But the toad of the capitalist presses mercilessly.
    2. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 9 September 2019 18: 15
      +1
      [quoteThe main problem is in Ukraine itself. Neighbors just bleed the economy.] [/ Quote]
      They will soon regret visa-free travel, but it’s too late. My relative from Ivano-Frankivsk says that all the specialists are earning money. Not a single plant in the city is working, completely devastated.
      1. Antares
        Antares 9 September 2019 20: 33
        +1
        Quote: Alex Justice
        My relative from Ivano-Frankivsk says that all specialists are earning

        he is not lying. On the memory in general, it does not matter with the work. And Poland / Czech Republic is nearby.
        Quote: Alex Justice
        Not a single plant in the city is working, completely devastated.

        there and factories on the memory .. not really. Under the USSR, they had less, and under Ukraine, developing this part is not as profitable as the center, east and south, where the bulk of the country's population lives.
        The worst shortage in the country with labor is the main part of Ukrainians in the construction sector in Poland, and in Ukraine this part is simply on a starvation ration. It is impossible to find decent workers for such a payment.
  12. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 9 September 2019 10: 39
    +1
    What you can’t do for the sake of cheap labor, and therefore profit. Here the crimes of the OUN-UPA against the Poles can be forgotten and the revival of Bandera in Ukraine. The main profit, but the money they say does not smell.
    employees and his employer will have to pay additional contributions and taxes in Poland
    And the Polish authorities were in advance, not to waste the "good", as well as additional money in the budget.
  13. Tuzik
    Tuzik 9 September 2019 11: 17
    0
    "According to him, entrepreneurs from Poland open subsidiaries in Ukraine, which get the right to delegate employees to work in Poland. At the same time, Polish firms themselves conduct their activities in Ukraine formally. Their main work is actually labor recruitment (recruiting)."

    Also, experience goes on in Ukraine! Such a format is addictive to many.
  14. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 9 September 2019 13: 16
    +1
    Quote: silberwolf88
    Then the Poles with Ukrainians found each other ... resourcefulness and corruptness multiplied by the psychology of trading ... overcome any legal barriers))

    I wish our former fellow citizens victory over the Pshek police system. And quickly bring them into a state of stupidity and self-hatred.
  15. NF68
    NF68 9 September 2019 14: 24
    -2
    Another zrada.
  16. signifera
    signifera 9 September 2019 14: 45
    0
    So we should do that! They come to us from all sides and there are no barriers. Our salaries are also deposited, and they are being infected. In addition, there are many dirty tricks and crimes. Maybe it's worth learning something from even Western friends.
  17. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 9 September 2019 17: 46
    0
    Would have introduced this in Russia (and it should be), so all the liberals and other "common people" would go to the manure.
  18. Nadir shah
    Nadir shah 9 September 2019 18: 15
    -1
    Quote: RWMos
    The most important thing is that both are slaves, that they understand each other)))

    Yeah, we are so free that it’s breathtaking.
  19. Nadir shah
    Nadir shah 9 September 2019 18: 15
    -1
    Quote: silberwolf88
    Then the Poles with the Ukrainians found each other ... resourcefulness and corruptness multiplied by the psychology of trading ... overcome any legal barriers))

    business is the same everywhere, and since 99.9% of the Zarabotchians are Selyuki, the result is clear.
  20. Nadir shah
    Nadir shah 9 September 2019 18: 22
    +1
    Quote: rotmistr60
    What you can’t do for the sake of cheap labor, and therefore profit. Here the crimes of the OUN-UPA against the Poles can be forgotten and the revival of Bandera in Ukraine. The main profit, but the money they say does not smell.
    employees and his employer will have to pay additional contributions and taxes in Poland
    And the Polish authorities were in advance, not to waste the "good", as well as additional money in the budget.

    this may seem strange, but to the majority of the population, and not only Poland, do not care, or they don’t even know, and capitalism cannot use such concepts at all, otherwise it will stop working. If any people gathered all the claims against their neighbors and not only the whole history of the chebureks, they would have stopped talking to anyone at least. It’s only now fashionable to translate history into politics. Suppose Georgians are dissatisfied with Russia or the Abkhaz with the Ossetians, but do not make claims against Iran when the Aga Mohammed Shah Kajar burned Tbilisi in such a way that even the inhabitants were not there - everyone either escaped, or died, or fell into slavery, but nothing, questions they haven’t, although since then the dynasty has changed in Iran. And so it is for everyone.
    1. Military77
      Military77 9 September 2019 23: 29
      0
      Here it is not necessary to transfer a shadow from a wattle fence on an ash-tree. In Russia, after the Caucasian war of 1858, the Shepsugi (Shapsugi) tribes were confronted with a choice: either in Turkey or exterminated. And in general, in the five-volume Potto V.A. pretty much everything is painted in detail about the conquest of the Caucasus. That was the time then - either submit, or destroy, and a comparison with modern realities cannot be made, well, absolutely
  21. Nadir shah
    Nadir shah 9 September 2019 18: 23
    0
    Quote: Signifer
    So we should do that! They come to us from all sides and there are no barriers. Our salaries are also deposited, and they are being infected. In addition, there are many dirty tricks and crimes. Maybe it's worth learning something from even Western friends.

    capitalism is the same. As long as the locals do not plow like hoeing lumps, nothing will change. And the locals do not want like chocks.
  22. APASUS
    APASUS 9 September 2019 19: 38
    0
    Where is this nonsense reprinted from? Poland will refuse free labor, and how will it replace its runners for a long dollar.
  23. Military77
    Military77 9 September 2019 23: 18
    0
    What’s more, there will soon be signs on bars: entry is forbidden with Ukrainians and dogs. Somewhere there were pictures on VO in Polish, too lazy to look
  24. Nadir shah
    Nadir shah 10 September 2019 00: 34
    0
    Quote: Military77
    Here it is not necessary to transfer a shadow from a wattle fence on an ash-tree. In Russia, after the Caucasian war of 1858, the Shepsugi (Shapsugi) tribes were confronted with a choice: either in Turkey or exterminated. And in general, in the five-volume Potto V.A. pretty much everything is painted in detail about the conquest of the Caucasus. That was the time then - either submit, or destroy, and a comparison with modern realities cannot be made, well, absolutely

    not they alone, by the way, drove all the Circassians so. But in fact, the times of nichrome did not change, only slogans and crowing about the rights of a cheburek, freedom and democracy became greater. Both world wars and the 20th century as a whole perfectly demonstrate that, from time to time, complete order - wars, invasions, bombing, shelling and other pleasures of life, was, and is, only got worse and bigger. Only now it’s all under the gravy of democracy, freedom, the fight against the bloody regime, their help, etc. done.