Mistress Museum of the Lady of the Mediterranean

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And as in the Venetian arsenal
The viscous resin boils in winter,
To smear the plows, those that are dilapidated,
And everyone is doing winter things:
He gets along oars, this one scores
The gap in the body that flowed;
Who repairs the nose and who rips the stern;
Who works to make a new plow;
Who's howling howls, who's sails patching ...
Dante Alighieri. 21-th song of "Hell"


Military museums of Europe. Today we continue to get acquainted with weapons Collections various European museums. The object of our journey will be the Venetian Naval historical a museum. In order to be there, you first need to get to Venice, and this is interesting in itself. Therefore, the story of this museum will be built according to the scheme of travel notes, so that those who read this material could as accurately as possible imagine the beauties there. Indeed, there are a lot of people “with secrecy of up to five years” among visitors to the VO site. So when they retire, they will have to wait another five years to be able to find themselves where they want. In a word, we are now “going” to Venice and we will begin our acquaintance with her not from the traditional St. Mark’s Square, the Cathedral and Doge’s Palace, but from the Maritime Museum. And the reason for this is only one and rather unusual - few tourists reach it, and it’s still quite cool in the summer Venetian heat!




In the port of Venice, opposite the moorings for passenger boats, there are such cruise liners. Everyone brings 2000 people, and they all immediately rush to the city



And here is Venice public transport - the vaporetto maritime tram. However, why be surprised, because Venice today is the 119 islands surrounded by 150 channels



There is a ferry towards. But where he is going and who, where and what he is transporting is not clear. Cars in the city do not even smell



Local taxi!


“On the seas, on the waves - there is no other way!”


Let's start with how people generally get to Venice. There are only two ways. The first is a railway and a railway station in the city, and a bus. Car? Yes, of course, but in this case too, you will have to leave it in the parking lot, transfer to a boat, because there are simply no cars in Venice, so even a taxi is a motor boat there.


On the way to the city we admire these yachts. The yacht on the left is a trimaran!



And here is a yacht under the proud British flag. I wonder who it belongs to. Who decided to ride to Venice?


So, we go from the stop to the port, board a decent-sized double-decker boat, and sail to the very center of Venice. Boat moorings are located there one after another. But wherever you approach: St. Mark's Square and Doge's Palace are all within walking distance. The first thing that, by the way, is striking when you approach it from the sea, is ... the chamberness of all these buildings. By the way, Venice itself is very small, and all its palaces, even at four to five floors, do not produce the impression of tall buildings. Such is St. Mark's Square itself. It is only on the TV screen that it is large, and so - in reality, it is quite small. And, to the limit is filled with people! And with every new boat, the crowd is getting bigger. The Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Indians ... God, who is not there. Well, ours, of course, where without us ...


Finally, we all have a familiar view of the Doge's Palace. To the left is the Campanile of St. Mark's Cathedral, a separate bell tower (campanile) 98,6 m high, from where a stunning view of the city opens



We land very close to this tower, and if we need to go to the Doge’s Palace and St. Mark’s Square, we go to the left, and if we go straight to the Maritime Museum, go right


“It’s good with a guide, but it’s better to be independent!”


Usually, the guides of our Russian tour operators, even before arriving in Venice, collect money for lunch at a local restaurant with local dishes (20 euros per person) and for gondola rides (also 20), after which they quickly transfer you to the local guide in the square, who showed them in a hurry - “left, right ...”, leads the whole group to the Rialto Bridge, where this notorious restaurant is located. In my opinion, this route should not be followed. Firstly, this way you are guaranteed not to get to the Doge's Palace, and there is something to see there, and for fans of ancient weapons, I note that there also has its own wonderful Arsenal with a wonderful collection of medieval weapons and armor (a story about it will certainly follow, but later! ), and secondly, you have to hustle along with crowds of tourists along the narrow Venetian streets right up to the Rialto Bridge itself. Of course, it is interesting, but it was personally more interesting for me to see the “Bridge of Sighs”, and not only from the outside, but also to visit it inside.


This is what the museum building looks like



Well, in this bird's-eye photograph, it is at the very bottom right and you can see, by the way, which Venice is small in itself


Who is riding a gondola, who is going to museums!


So if you are more attracted by the informative side of visiting Venice, rather than entertaining, then stay on St. Mark's Square. Take the elevator to the bell tower, go to St. Mark's Cathedral, look at the Doge’s Palace, eat there in a cafe located in the basement near the water, with gondolas floating right in front of you behind the glass door, and then ... tired of the heat and crowds Tourists, go from the palace along the embankment to the left. One, two, three ... five bridges will need to be crossed (but in fact it is very close) and on the left side of the canal you will see a five-story building (looks like our four-story!) Of dark red color. You can also recognize him by the two large anchors at his doors. This will be the Naval Historical Museum of Venice.


An anchor from the battleship Viribus Units at the entrance to the museum


We go inside and enjoy the coolness there, because in Venice itself it is just hot in summer and very hot. By the way, you will need to think about this and about sun umbrellas in advance. Especially if women are with you. After all, your suitcases and all your luggage remain in the tourist bus. For example, we arrived in Berlin, and we had only one beach umbrella, although small in size. And ... it started to rain right away, and since my wife wasn’t having a walk with a beach umbrella in the German capital, I had to buy her a “Berlin umbrella”. We arrived in Venice, and there seemed to be a breeze blowing from the sea. Therefore, they didn’t take the umbrella, but take the breeze, and calm down. And then the granddaughter felt uneasy ... Obviously, she overheated in the sun. And I had to buy her a "Venetian umbrella." Not bad, of course, but in my opinion, three umbrellas in one trip is a little too much.

So the coolness of the museum will certainly refresh you. And the lack of crowds of tourists. Because with each new bridge there are fewer and fewer of them, and only a few reach the museum!

Anchors of the enemy for memory!


Although the same anchors that meet you at the entrance are also nothing but very interesting exhibits related to the history of Italian fleet. They belong to the Austro-Hungarian battleships Viribus Units and Tegethof. The first was destroyed by Italian combat swimmers at the very end of the First World War, and the second came to the Italians as a trophy and was carried out before the formation of the ships of the Italian fleet during the Victory Parade in 1919, and then it was scrapped already in 1925.

It is interesting that this year this museum has a real anniversary: ​​it has celebrated exactly 100 years since its foundation in 1919, but in its present building it has been only since 1964. However, this building itself is also a monument, since it was built in the 15th century. An arsenal barn was located here, and grain was stored here, flour was ground from it and biscuits were baked, which were the main food of galley rowers. So the museum is large enough, although it does not seem so. It has 42 hall, and their total area is 4000 sq.m.


The famous Italian “Piglet” is the “Mayale” torpedo, with the help of which MAS swimmers blew up the English battleships “Valient” and “Queen Elizabeth” on the roads of Alexandria



Torpedo mechanisms primitive nowhere else!



The rudders of the torpedo were controlled by these “wires”. “Pull, baby, the rope, the door will open!”



This is what MAS swimmers were wearing


Torpedo and mortars


In the cool lobby of the first floor, our attention was immediately drawn to the heavy mortars on the right and the Mayale (Piglet) man-guided torpedo mounted on the left - a secret development of Italian military engineers from the 30 of the last century. During the Second World War, these torpedoes were actively used by units of combat swimmers (detachment of the 10-th fleet of MAS) in the Mediterranean Sea against the British. With their help, they managed to undermine and seriously damage several warships and transport vessels, but the Italian admirals could not take advantage of the current situation.


Hermetic hangar torpedo "Mayale". Here they were and they fought: the hatch reclined and a crew of two people sitting astride here on this “miracle of technology” set off to sink enemy ships



Usually on the Internet they place a photograph of this container from the side of the open lid (see the previous photo) with a torpedo half exiting from it. But I wanted to show what powerful stiffening ribs were on it. After all, the boat with these containers on the deck was supposed to operate at great depths


It is interesting that not only this torpedo was exhibited on the second floor, but also an airtight container in which such torpedoes were on the deck of the submarine. On the Shire submarine, for example, there were three such containers. Before the attack, the combat swimmers had to climb inside this container through the hatch, prepare the torpedo for launch, after which water entered it, they mounted on top of it, and the hemispherical lid opened, and the torpedo started moving toward the target. Once under the bottom of the enemy’s ship, they had to use special clamps that were mounted on port keels to stretch a cable under its bottom, and already fix a mine (torpedo bow) with an 200-300 kg explosive charge on it, turn on the timer, and only after all this, swim back, again riding your Piglet. And it was possible ... to get ashore and there to surrender, than in practice, because of the numerous failures of equipment, these trips often ended! The wetsuit worn by these combat swimmers was also on display in the window.


To the right of the entrance you will meet here such a Turkish bronze mortar, captured by Italians at a fort in Tripoli during the fighting in Libya in 1911-1912. And then the Turks fired from it!



An 90-pound cooler gun cast by Cosimo Senny in the 1643 year. Located on the middle deck of the Tuscany galley


Ship models for every taste


One of the advantages of this museum is its visibility. It displays not only real objects, weapons, uniforms, naval instruments, and even life-size gondolas and barges, but also many models of ships, starting with the ancient Egyptian little vessel, made by God when, for some, most likely, religious purpose . For example, on the first are dioramas depicting ports of the 17th century and fortresses that belonged to Italians, and their entire architecture is visible to them in full view. Here you can see models of the Phoenician, and the ancient Greek biremes and triremes, and all Asian little ships - sampans, junks and proas. The first Venetian caravels and galleons, galleys and galeases, similar to those that participated in the historical battle of Christians with Muslims at Lepanto in 1571, and the first Italian battleships that participated in the no less famous naval battle at Liss in 1866. There is a model of the famous battleship “Duilio”, and one even in the context, so that all of its “filling” is visible very well. And on the fourth floor in the "Swedish Hall" (it is dedicated to the cooperation of the Swedish and Italian fleets), a beautifully executed model of the battleship "Vaza" is exhibited. Well, that one ...


Ancient Egyptian boat with a man figure.



Model of one of the 17th century Venetian ships.


To be continued ...
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  1. +12
    16 September 2019 06: 17
    There is a ferry towards. But where he is going and who, where and what he is transporting is not clear. Cars in the city do not even smell
    This is the ferry of the 17th route of the company ACTV, which deals with all passenger traffic in Venice.
    In addition to 118 islands, Venice also has a mainland. This mainland is connected to the islands by ferry routes. Ferries are different. The “Lido di Venezia” (formerly “Salamina”) that you met is the largest since it goes to the island of Lido di Venezia, one of the few where there are roads and cars that run, there is a small airport. Even accidents happen.
    1. +13
      16 September 2019 06: 25
      And here is a yacht under the proud British flag. I wonder who it belongs to. Who decided to ride to Venice?
      And this yacht, Carinthia VII, belongs to Heidi Horten, the widow of billionaire Horten, the owner of a large German chain of department stores. Grandmother is 78 years old, lives in Austria and can afford a yacht with a fortune of $ 2,6 billion. Venice is the home port of a yacht, and her flag is not British, but Maltese.
      1. +5
        16 September 2019 09: 55
        the widow of billionaire Horten, the owner of a large German chain of department stores.

        Viktor Nikolaevich, and the deceased husband, for an hour, to the same Horten brothers who dabbled with "flying wings", not a relative? what
        1. +6
          16 September 2019 10: 50
          No, not a relative. He had no time to indulge in wings, since 1933 he has been buying up his first shops for nothing with the Jews emigrating to the United States.
          1. +4
            16 September 2019 11: 01
            since 1933, he bought up his first shops for next to nothing from Jews emigrating to the United States.

            hmm .. I remember the song about the boy Bobby from the Treasure Island cartoon. "Good boy, our man, ours!" hi yes .. that's how they become millionaires ... No.
    2. +1
      16 September 2019 16: 54
      For good, Kia received from a man. This is how you lean on and remember by chance.
  2. +6
    16 September 2019 06: 37
    To the left is the Campanile of St. Mark's Cathedral, a separate bell tower (Campanile) 98,6 m high, which offers stunning views of the city
  3. +6
    16 September 2019 06: 39
    Remarkable comments, or rather, let’s say, additions, dear Viktor Nikolaevich. As for the flag ... there was no wind so that it turned well, therefore it could be seen poorly, it seemed that red with crosses ...
    1. +6
      16 September 2019 07: 17
      It seemed that red with crosses ...
      It didn’t seem to you. The Maltese flag is really red with crosses.
      1. +4
        16 September 2019 10: 48
        It didn’t seem to you. The Maltese flag is really red with crosses.

        hmm .. but this flag was for a short time very close to one of our ruler .. what

        the cross is visible on the left on the support. Plus on the neck of the "knight on the throne". hi Mikhailovsky castle. soldier filmed May Day of this year hi
  4. +3
    16 September 2019 06: 48
    Thank you Vyacheslav for an interesting excursion ...
    worried about Venice going into the water after the melting of the glaciers of Greenland. what
    1. +4
      16 September 2019 11: 44
      Well, I have nothing to fear! "After us, even a deluge"!
    2. +2
      16 September 2019 13: 22
      He won’t leave) ... they built the MOSE system. The miracle of marine engineering
  5. +4
    16 September 2019 06: 48
    Beauty! good

    The famous Italian “Piglet” is the “Mayale” torpedo, with the help of which MAS swimmers blew up the English battleships “Valient” and “Queen Elizabeth” on the roads of Alexandria


    MAS is the only unit of the Armed Forces of Italy that has shown the highest efficiency and heroism.

    The Germans took a slightly different path: they used a man-torpedo: a carrier controlled by one person let out a transported torpedo, and did not attach a mine. An interesting exposition about this is in Those. Speyer Museum, Germany.

    But, unlike the Italians, the Germans did not achieve success in this area.
    1. +4
      16 September 2019 11: 56
      ,,, you can also remember the teisintai in Kaiten.
    2. +4
      16 September 2019 15: 06
      MAS is the only unit of the Armed Forces of Italy that has shown the highest efficiency and heroism.


      Not really, Andrew. hi Individual ships fought to the end completing the task. For example, the destroyer (not destroyer) "Lupo" (Wolf), covering the convoy delivering reinforcements to Rommel's Afrika Korps, when attacked by much superior British forces, put a smoke screen and went to meet the British destroyers leading artillery fire, fired a torpedo salvo from all the vehicles, forcing the enemy to turn away. The convoy safely reached its destination, and the destroyer, oddly enough, remained afloat and did not even lose speed, although the losses among the crew were great. “God protects the brave!” This means that there were some literate and brave commanders there too, but on the whole the Italian fleet was, of course, a zero price.
      1. +2
        16 September 2019 15: 29
        Quote: Sea Cat
        but in general, the Italian fleet was, of course, a zero price.

        this is what we’re talking about: the Bersaliers fought well (almost all remained near Stalingrad), but the army as a whole on the East front is zilch
        1. +2
          16 September 2019 17: 39
          but the army as a whole on the east front zilch

          but they all ended very badly ... EMNIP, after the capitulation of Italy in 1943, the Germans disarmed all Italians on the Eastern Front and drove them to camps, where few survived! hi
          1. +2
            17 September 2019 02: 09
            In Italy, even one of the princesses fell into camps and died there, the name was forgotten only, so that in this regard the Germans did not regret the former allies. On the whole, the Italians had a better overall picture than they usually paint - the rest just got better, plus serious pre-war punctures, especially in terms of military production and naval aviation. Well, the winners write the story. Italy was on the list of winners, but in the penalty places, so ...
            1. +6
              17 September 2019 08: 42
              Quote: arturpraetor
              Italy, even one of the princesses ended up in camps

              Princess Mafalda Maria Elizabeth Anna Romana of Savoy (November 2, 1902 - August 27, 1944) is the second daughter of the King of Italy, Victor Emmanuel III and his wife, Princess Elena of Montenegro. Mafalda was the older sister of the last king of Italy, Umberto II.
              On August 24, 1944, the Allies bombed an ammunition factory in Buchenwald. Almost four hundred prisoners were killed, and Princess Mafalda was seriously injured: she was placed in a block, and when the attack was committed, she was up to the neck in the trash; she received severe burns to her hands. In order to prevent infection, the arm had to be amputated. She bled during the operation and never regained consciousness. Dying, Mafalda told two other Italian prisoners from the camp: "Remember me not as an Italian princess, but as an Italian sister." Mafalda died on the night of August 26-27, 1944. Her body was reburied after the war in the Kronberg castle in Hesse.
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                17 September 2019 09: 47
                colleagues arturpraetor and Antares, many thanks for the information! didn't know, didn't know ... hi
  6. +8
    16 September 2019 06: 59
    Torpedo mechanisms primitive nowhere else!
    Torpedo rudders were controlled by these “wires”

    These are not "wires" - these are rovers.

    Despite the primitive mechanisms, the people want to feel like a "combat swimmer", so they are asked to "stay away."
    1. +2
      16 September 2019 15: 10
      Good afternoon, Vic Nikolaitch! hi



      The process of delivering "goods" so to speak.
  7. +4
    16 September 2019 09: 12
    Beautiful, wonderful photos good
    1. +5
      16 September 2019 09: 53
      I will join. Thank! drinks
      To the right of the entrance you will meet here such a Turkish bronze mortar, captured by Italians at a fort in Tripoli during the fighting in Libya in 1911-1912. And then the Turks fired from it!

      Katorin associates in a book "Unique and paradoxical military equipment" writes that in 1915, during the Dardanelles operation, the English battleship Agamemnon flew stone (!) A core weighing more than 100 kg. Probably it didn’t break through, but everyone started. laughing It seems that the Turks carefully kept a large caliber since the Middle Ages! fellow

      this ship. And here is indirectly another confirmation:
      In the spring of 1915, during the shelling of Turkish batteries, the Agamemnon squadron battleship received a return hit. A stone (!!!) core fell into the ship, fired from an old 17-inch muzzle-loading gun. https://viktoriiako.livejournal.com/156774.html
  8. +1
    16 September 2019 10: 17
    On what "port" keels did the combat swimmers attach the mine clamps?
    1. +4
      16 September 2019 10: 27
      Airborne, of course.
      1. +3
        16 September 2019 14: 54


        Something like this.

        Good afternoon, Vyacheslav and another thanks. Photos are just sparkle! hi
  9. +6
    16 September 2019 11: 33
    This is what MAS swimmers were wearing

    And this is the watch and depth gauge of the MAS swimmers of the Italian company Panerai. True, both the mechanism and the watch case were manufactured by Rolex.
    1. +1
      16 September 2019 11: 43
      True, both the mechanism and the watch case were manufactured by Rolex.

      so what do we have with the french, Viktor Nikolaevich? laughing they brought the corps, but did not learn the language, Mr. Marshal Davout? drinks chic additions! good
      1. +2
        16 September 2019 12: 04
        Mr. Marshal Davout?
        ,,, what is the story about the marshal or secret? sadfrom the series "Antonov" tank?
        1. +3
          16 September 2019 12: 15
          from the series "Antonov" tank?

          like that, only the "tank" was invented by all of you, and Marshal Davout - by me. wink Well, they say, Viktor Nikolayevich came, and I will give everyone my intellect! drinks he has every comment as an encyclopedia. good By the way, Davout was the only marshal of Bonaparte who conducted and won individual battles. Under Auerstedt, for example, he defeated the superior troops of the Prussians. soldier Well, why is our Viktor Nikolaevich not a formidable opponent in the discussion? drinks
          1. +3
            16 September 2019 12: 23
            only "tank" invented all of you
            ,,Well, of course am Anton himself drove out in a "tank" when modest filibusters, drinking orange juice on the snow-white shore, shared the reward for hard work feel.
            1. +3
              16 September 2019 12: 38
              Anton himself drove the "tank" when the modest filibusters

              yesterday he forbade everyone to remember about the tank ... threatened with punishment. wink
              1. +2
                16 September 2019 12: 41
                yesterday he forbade everyone to remember
                ,, well, we don’t tell him that wink
            2. +4
              16 September 2019 12: 56
              You shared the girl Lumba!
              "And I remember everything, I was not drunk!" (from)
              1. +3
                16 September 2019 13: 11
                mm .... maybe, well, him, this tank, Anton? what maybe a horse is better, a tiger skin and a fanciful hat with feathers? I think you would be sent! wink drinks
                1. +2
                  16 September 2019 13: 30
                  Damn, now they will impose "Tiger" on me request
                  1. +2
                    16 September 2019 13: 37
                    Damn, now they will impose "Tiger" on me

                    for me, so Murat is enough .... Yes
                    (about the dispersal of the Directory and the council of five hundred):
                    A spotted leopard skin dangled behind Murat. The doors of the chamber scattered wide, knocked out by a kick of the foot:
                    - Hey you! get out of here before it's too late!
                    The masterly rudeness of expression stunned the deputies. Seeing the rows of bayonets approaching, they rushed through the windows.
                    “Help them jump,” Murat pointed to the soldiers. - Although not high, but I want to hear the crunch of their bones ...
                    After a minute, the hall was empty. No one asked the question: “And if not for the bouncer Murat? What would be?.."

                    (VS Pikul, "To each his own." I removed some of the author's expressions - obscene vocabulary!). hi
              2. +1
                16 September 2019 20: 27
                "Go away, kid, you are very drunk,
                And then you will run into it, friend, look, you will run into it "(c).
                1. +1
                  16 September 2019 21: 03
                  "Someone hung on my shoulders,
                  Seryoga shouted: 'Beware!'
                  But it was too late ... "(c)
                  1. +1
                    16 September 2019 21: 11
                    The tone does not descend from Vysotsky.

                    "Today my friend protects my back,
                    This means that the chances are equal "(c).
                    1. +1
                      16 September 2019 21: 26
                      Simple, somewhere banal truths, facilitated in rhyme. However....!!!
          2. +1
            16 September 2019 15: 14
            like that, only the "tank" was invented by you all


            No, Vlad! "Antonov tank" was invented by Anton, and we just caught on the tail. laughing drinks
            1. +1
              16 September 2019 18: 38
              This is not Vlad, this is Nikolai. Vlad was banned on that "happy" day.
              1. 0
                16 September 2019 18: 43
                Exactly, the mistake came out. But nothing, men will not be offended. smile
        2. +1
          16 September 2019 15: 12
          Sergei, do not touch "Antonov tank" - this is sacred fellow !!!
          1. +1
            16 September 2019 15: 15
            "Antonov tank"

            I heard about "Adrian's shaft", I also heard about "Antonin's shaft" .. here is "Antonov's tank" - it's even more brutal! good drinks
            1. +1
              16 September 2019 15: 19
              So our Anton himself be healthy how brutal, he can’t be without a tank, even out of innate modesty and push off. wink
              Yes, he's here something about "Tiger" transparently hinted. Do you understand? smile
              1. +2
                16 September 2019 15: 24
                something about "Tiger" transparently hinted.
                ,,, loves cats? what
                1. +3
                  16 September 2019 15: 28
                  ,,, loves cats?

                  yeah, "Kota Pana Kohanki", Vlada, especially laughing duck, who doesn’t like Vlad? everyone loves! drinks
                  1. +1
                    16 September 2019 15: 38
                    I will not say anything to myself, Anton here, hopping, promised to tear my tail out. belay
                    1. +1
                      16 September 2019 17: 36
                      I will not say anything to myself, Anton here, hopping, promised to tear my tail out.

                      Yes, I forgot something about Sea Kotishchu - the main pirate - to mention ... what drinks
                    2. +2
                      16 September 2019 18: 30
                      Drive, Konstantin! Raise in vain! I can’t choose anything, because the body is exhausted by building, alcohol and serving beautiful ladies.
                      1. +1
                        16 September 2019 18: 41
                        I'm driving, of course. And what about poor Kot, who has no sea nearby, but only a pond, albeit very good.
                        Yes, indeed, work leads to exhaustion, at times. But "serving" with beautiful ladies neutralizes this exhaustion, and alcohol relaxes and aggravates a good mood (though a bad one also aggravates). Therefore, I wish you and all of us a good mood! drinks
                2. +2
                  16 September 2019 17: 59
                  Not that I like, I endure. They me too.
                  1. +1
                    16 September 2019 18: 11
                    Nikolay, they sawed off a leg on a fig, it seems like there’s nothing at all. And Anton only promised about the tail. laughing
                    1. +2
                      16 September 2019 18: 36
                      "Let's cut off Susan's leg!
                      No, guys, I remembered the road! "(C)
                      1. +2
                        16 September 2019 18: 50
                        You will laugh, but it was almost literal in the opera "The Story of a Real Man".

                        Choir of doctors near the hospital bed:

                        - Cut off, cut off Meresyev’s leg!

                        Voice from bed:

                        - But I want to fly ...

                        And this is not a joke, I myself watched the broadcast from the Bolshoi on "Caveen" with an attached lens.
                        And there was something worse - the opera "Lenin in October", so there in general ... That's it, I shut up, otherwise the "old Bolsheviks" will rip off their head, and she is dear to me just like the tail.
                      2. +2
                        16 September 2019 20: 08
                        There was also an opera by Tikhon Khrennikov based on M. Gorky's novel Mother. There is such trash! Today's rappers will be jealous! I'm afraid to reproduce banned nafig, no appeal.
                      3. 0
                        17 September 2019 13: 19
                        They also planned to stage the opera "Quiet Don" or "Virgin Land Upturned", but Sholokhov opposed it. I read about it in the memoirs of some militia general.
              2. +3
                16 September 2019 15: 25
                Yes, he's here something about "Tiger" transparently hinted. Do you understand?

                it’s not a boom to drop off on gas - yourself, father, yourself! stop laughing
                1. +3
                  16 September 2019 17: 54
                  I don’t need gas.
                  "The tank is a good car, it goes very fast on the tundra, however. Dogs only get tired quickly."
                  Better throw off insurance. Estimate how much OSAGO will cost on this canoe !!!
                  1. +1
                    16 September 2019 17: 59
                    Better throw off insurance. Estimate how much OSAGO will cost on this canoe !!!

                    maybe better still buy a horse? what and we will sew an artsy suit to order? with rhinestones and feathers? fellow Vlad and Konstantin probably have a bunch of old uniforms, if sheathed with everything necessary, then the costume will come out - a sight for sore eyes! good but instead of a checker I can give my katana - in the hallway it hangs on a hanger. lol cat on the skin - I will not give up! stop I need it myself!
                    1. +3
                      16 September 2019 18: 10
                      Haha! Haha! I'm afraid of horses, they are big and alive.
                      I saw your katana, pipe bender - cooler! And then, you give me a katana, with what then the pisser in the front door, will you graze in the evening?
                      1. +1
                        16 September 2019 18: 20
                        Will you graze in the evenings?

                        a cat's scratcher. He’ll get it all to hell. fellow But, by the way, this "figure" now began to "walk" less often. hi yes, yes, I know that if a drunk urinates in the front door, this is an evil creature of the regime and capitalism ..... lol
                      2. +1
                        16 September 2019 18: 33
                        The undercoat in the "bikini area"? Yes you are esthete!
                    2. +1
                      16 September 2019 18: 21
                      Oye! Didn’t you suggest that I was to take Mikado to me?
                      1. 0
                        16 September 2019 18: 25
                        Oye! Didn’t you suggest that I was to take Mikado to me?

                        then he behaved badly. Over the past two days he has recovered. stop
                      2. 0
                        16 September 2019 20: 25
                        Did you ask the little animal to walk up to the first floor? Life is "below the ground" - it is certainly impressive, an unprepared organism.
                      3. -1
                        16 September 2019 22: 19
                        Nesto invited the animal to walk to the first floor?

                        this had to be done two months ago, when he tore the pipe out of the fanin, and I poured the entire bathroom with a washer. Well, I was telling. laughing thank God no one was flooded! wink and scooped up an hour ... request
                    3. +1
                      16 September 2019 19: 09
                      maybe better still buy a horse?

                      - Yes, you’ll call it comfortably ... I only forgot about one thing ...(c) now a horse, then a bonfire winked
                  2. +3
                    16 September 2019 18: 10
                    Why do you need insurance, Anton, when you need the state itself will provide you with this "canoe" for traveling in Europe. Well, or at least for a trip to the Baltics. wink
                    1. +3
                      16 September 2019 18: 18
                      Yeah, highlight. I am still amazed how, until now, Sechin has not presented the bill for the burnt fuel to the descendants of Katukov. This one can.
                      1. +1
                        16 September 2019 18: 23
                        Hmm, sir ... You just do not disclose this idea anywhere else, because he is such an activist, he can take everything seriously. laughing
            2. +2
              16 September 2019 18: 31
              You have not heard about "Antonov fire" yet!
              1. +2
                16 September 2019 18: 42
                Okay, comrades! I’ll go for a walk. I'll be back in an hour. Don't touch the "tank"!
                1. 0
                  16 September 2019 22: 12
                  I’ll go for a walk.

                  even in some ways it is a pity that this "lady" is not a horse ... winked
              2. 0
                16 September 2019 22: 41
                You have not heard about "Antonov fire" yet!

                But I heard about the Antonov method. It is also called the "greedy bear method" laughing
  10. +8
    16 September 2019 11: 37
    ... exhibited a beautifully executed model of the battleship "Vase".
    1. +5
      16 September 2019 11: 42
      It was she, but I didn’t manage to shoot like that ... Although the model was worth it ...
      1. +1
        16 September 2019 15: 20
        Vyacheslav, and "Vasa" there they have what side, simply out of beauty?
        1. +3
          16 September 2019 15: 41
          They had some kind of "relationship" there - Sweden and Venice, But what I did not have time to understand and could not!
          1. +3
            16 September 2019 15: 43
            I also do not understand - "Where is the river, and where is the estate ..." request
            1. +5
              16 September 2019 21: 58
              Maybe this is a reminder - how not to build ships?
              1. +4
                16 September 2019 22: 10
                The vase is the result of the tyranny of the king). And for us descendants, it is even positive that the Vaza sank so quickly and so successfully. Thanks to this, we have the opportunity to contemplate the only "surviving" ship of that era. In addition, due to the fact that when launching on the ship was hung with many different "buns" - decorations, statues, etc., which were then removed, tens of thousands of different artifacts of that period were found at the site of the disaster, which under other circumstances would not have survived.
                Italy was also directly related to Vase, albeit indirectly. After the sinking of the cannons in 1663, the Swedes assigned the Italian naval engineer of that period Francesco Negri to lift parts of the cannons. And he coped brilliantly with the task
                1. +4
                  16 September 2019 22: 35
                  Francesco Negri is an Italian Catholic priest who traveled in Scandinavia from 1663-1666. In 1670 he published an account of his travels under the title "Viaggio settentrionale". And the guns in 1663-1665 with the help of a diving bell and Swedish and Finnish divers were lifted by a Swedish officer Albreckt von Treileben and Andreas Peckell (if my memory serves me - a German, in modern terms, an expert in underwater work).
                  1. +1
                    16 September 2019 22: 49
                    According to Italian sources, Negri is a priest, traveler, naturalist, connoisseur of maritime affairs in general and the "underwater bell" in particular. Such well-rounded personalities are not uncommon in that era
                    1. +3
                      16 September 2019 22: 59
                      And according to Italian sources, he studied the flora and fauna of the region, especially Lapland, made some anthropological observations. For three years of travel, he described customs, culture, food, hygiene habits, clothing, ceremonies and social relations. In Stockholm for a year he remained chaplain of a certain Frenchman de Chassan. The first of the Italians mastered skiing.
                      He didn’t raise cannons.
                      Filippo Mordani, Vite di ravegnani illustri Ravenna, Stampe de 'Roveri, 1837 (The Life of the Famous Equites).
                      1. +2
                        16 September 2019 23: 01
                        Faustolo rambelli
                        Subacquea, gocce di storia

                        A book on the history of "the underwater bell. True, I did not find it in the public domain and read only reviews. There seems to be a chapter about his role in this matter.
                      2. +4
                        16 September 2019 23: 30
                        I did not find in either Italian, English, or Swedish sources that Negri was involved in the raising of Vasa artillery.
                        Tomorrow I will look at my fresh head.
                      3. 0
                        16 September 2019 23: 35
                        I’ll also look for additional sources. And then not only Russian Wikipedia is crammed with turbopatriotism)
              2. +1
                16 September 2019 23: 15
                I always knew, Vic, that with a sense of humor you are all right! drinks smile
          2. +4
            16 September 2019 21: 35
            Quote: kalibr
            They had some kind of "relationship" there - Sweden and Venice, But what I did not have time to understand and could not!

            In fact, the hall is dedicated to the friendly relations between the Italian and Swedish navies. In the 40s, the Swedish fleet was modernized thanks to Italian projects (Tre Krunur armor), the purchase of a pair of destroyers, torpedo boats, etc.
            1. +2
              16 September 2019 22: 14
              In the 40s, the Swedish fleet was modernized thanks to Italian projects (Tre Krunur armchairs), the purchase of a pair of destroyers, torpedo boats, etc.

              hmm .. and as far as I remember, our fleet in the 30s also modernized largely due to the Italians. Their leaders, it seems, were in the Black Sea Fleet? hi if not a building, then a project? drinks
              1. +4
                16 September 2019 22: 17
                It was like that. The Italians always built good ships. And the fleet fought with dignity. Not only submarine saboteurs. Just the British had radars that the Italians did not have.
                1. +3
                  16 September 2019 22: 30
                  that's what I don’t know about, I don’t know about. Thank you enlightened! hi
                  I, in general, was guided by the somewhat odious opinion of A.B. Shirokorada. That, they say, the Italians built a number of excellent models of equipment, they owned half of the world aviation records, etc., but they pathologically did not know how to fight. No. I am quoting him from memory, the book "Battle for Crimea". Well, their armored vehicles really were of the previous generation, in comparison with other armies ... what oh, yes, about small arms - here a fortnight ago a familiar search engine found an ammunition pack on the Karelian Isthmus. He called me - they say, from what? never seen this. A pack of six rounds! request I began to remember who used the packs. "Mannlicher" ... why six rounds? what and remembered that there was also "Mannlicher-Carcano"! Yes, from her, it turns out. Italians delivered almost 100 thousand to the Finns during the Soviet-Finnish war! Yes drinks
                  1. +3
                    16 September 2019 22: 32
                    The Italians fought no better and no worse than all the other European armies.
                    Except for the Wehrmacht)
                    1. +2
                      16 September 2019 22: 46
                      The Italians fought no better and no worse than all the other European armies. Except for the Wehrmacht)

                      according to the principle: "My Fuhrer, the Italians came out on our side, this is very bad, we will have to send thirty divisions to help them"? wink drinks Well .. the Wehrmacht at that time was really invincible .. experience, experience .. and a combination of other qualities .. what
                      1. +4
                        16 September 2019 22: 59
                        I’m not an admirer of jokes in general and historical in particular). I can say that it will be difficult to find analogues of disasters of the Red Army of 41/42 in the history of the Italian army. But then you consider the Red Army a strong army). This is an ungrateful thing to hang up labels.
                      2. +6
                        16 September 2019 23: 01
                        This is a good comment!
                      3. +2
                        17 September 2019 09: 44
                        Ungrateful thing to label.

                        Town Hall, no one hangs labels. Everything's Alright. No one is going to underestimate anyone. hi
                        It turns out that the South Front retreated two years from the Prut to the Volga under the blows of a worthless enemy

                        I do not know very well this period of the war, but I venture to assume that they retreated due to the breakthroughs of the Germans, even if in other sectors. EMNIP, surrounded by the Red Army near Kharkov in 1942, Italians and other allies did not participate. The Germans did all the work, and rushed to the Volga. That is, it is one thing to tear the front and carry out destruction operations (Germans), and another to provide the attacking flanks (their allies). I emphasize once again that I’m not even trying to belittle any of our enemies. Yours faithfully, hi
                      4. 0
                        17 September 2019 19: 04
                        Hello hi I’m afraid that the development of a conversation on this topic will lead to an influx of turbopatriots / monarchists / Great Russians, etc. And the branch will turn into another hype battle about all the good. I would not want to be responsible for this celebration)
                      5. +2
                        18 September 2019 10: 48
                        I would not want to be the culprit of this celebration)

                        nobody would like to. request There are also "communists", they will prove to you that the always drunk "pissing boy" at the entrance is the fault of capitalism, oligarchs and some ministers personally. wink I bow to the discussion, sincerely! drinks You and Viktor Nikolaevich certainly found each other. "Bravo, French, bravo!" (Prince P. Bagration) good
                    2. +1
                      16 September 2019 23: 31
                      Colleague, do you mean Romanians? laughing
                      1. +1
                        16 September 2019 23: 38
                        It’s always necessary to have respect for the enemy. You can walk like that in a boomerang and in your army. It turns out that the Southern Front retreated two years from the Prut to the Volga under the blows of a worthless enemy
                      2. +2
                        16 September 2019 23: 46
                        [quoteAn opponent must always have respect] [/ quote]

                        Looking to which one.

                        What are the specific operations of the Italian army with the numbers of units under the blows of which
                        "The Southern Front retreated from the Prut to the Volga for two years." Actually, I'm a little in the know, but it's interesting to listen to you.
                      3. 0
                        16 September 2019 23: 47
                        The southern front, as it were, retreated under the blows of the Romanian army
                      4. +3
                        16 September 2019 23: 59
                        That's exactly "as if under the blows of the Romanian army." "How" is the key word here. You know, I'm not going to chew on the well-known common truths here. Stay with your beloved heroic Italians and Romanians, and I'm already tired of it.

                        - "Who, Kirkorov ?! So he's a Romanian!"

                        - "He is Bulgarian."

                        -- "What's the difference!" (FROM).

                        Here I am about the same. laughing Good night.
                2. +2
                  16 September 2019 23: 30
                  The point is not only in the radar, but also in complete confusion in the Italian headquarters, both in the sea and in the land. And in absolutely unwillingness and inability to fight ordinary soldiers and sailors. Although there were exceptions, for example the destroyer Lupo, they only emphasized the rule common to all Italian armed forces.
                  "The Italians were beaten even by all the eternally beaten Austrians." (FROM). I don't remember who said it, but it was said directly not "in the eyebrow, but in the eye." hi
                  1. +1
                    16 September 2019 23: 33
                    Quote: Sea Cat
                    The Italians were even beaten by all the eternally beaten Austrians. "(C). I don't remember who said it, but it was said directly not" in the eyebrow, but in the eye. "

                    I already told you about the attitude to pseudo-historical tales. Look at your leisure the results of the confrontation of the Italian and Austrian armies in the 1st World War
                    1. 0
                      16 September 2019 23: 42
                      Colleague, you did not tell me, but to Nikolai.
                      And the statement that I gave is not a "pseudo-historical tale". And in the first world war, that the Italian army, that the Austrian cost a little, they only had to fight among themselves. But I’m not trying to convince you of anything, you like Italians - so nasty, it’s a master’s business. And their ships really were excellent, especially in terms of seaworthiness, but ... as you wrote - a radar, but in my opinion stubborn unwillingness to fight reduced all advantages to zero.
                      Anyway, plus for you
                      Cruiser Project 26.
                      hi
                      1. -2
                        16 September 2019 23: 46
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        And in World War I, that the Italian army, that the Austrian cost a little, they could only fight among themselves.

                        I'm afraid to ask about the results of the Russian army in the 1st World War. And with whom it was only to fight. By the way, she fought against the "worthless" in your opinion the Austrian army. And she did not exact any special laurels even against the Austrians, as far as I remember. It all ended sadly in 18 year
                      2. +2
                        17 September 2019 08: 51
                        Quote: Town Hall
                        "worthless" in your opinion the Austrian army

                        AB by the way in the sunset process.
                        In general, the Austrians fought well throughout history. Original even. Of course Napoleon cooled them too. But even in this version, they fought well in their region. With the same Italians.
                        Of course, the Russian military is better than the Austrian, but do not forget that the butts with them bled RI. + help allies of the Germans.
                        All this ended badly for all empires (Germany RI AB .._)
                  2. 0
                    16 September 2019 23: 41
                    I doubt that you have thoroughly studied the history of the Italian army and navy in general and in World War II in particular. As in any army, you will find heroism and cowardice and the ability to fight and a mess there. When you find an army and war in which there are only solid heroes and geniuses beacon)
                    1. +2
                      16 September 2019 23: 53
                      I did not study the history of the Italian army, in my opinion, it is not worth it. You think differently, this is your business.

                      But I know the history of the Second World War quite well and I don't need to tell about the "heroic Italians". A little more, you and Graziani will put on the same level with Rommel, or Konstantin Rokossovsky.

                      When you find an army and a war in which one are solid heroes and geniuses, beacon)


                      Why should I look for it, this army, and even more so for you to "beacon", especially since you have already found it - and this, of course, is the Italian army. I am delighted. laughing drinks
                      1. 0
                        16 September 2019 23: 55
                        Demagogy is also not studied) hi
                      2. +2
                        17 September 2019 00: 04
                        You do not seem to understand the meaning of this word, demagogy, in this situation, everything is exactly the opposite. And you are banally predictable when you have nothing to object to in essence trying to move on to insults. Someone you strongly remind me of. Didn’t you have to perform under another nickname? There was such a Carbine, very like him.
              2. +3
                16 September 2019 23: 24
                Exactly, Nikolai! It was the leader "Tashkent", nicknamed "The Blue Cruiser" among our sailors (because of the painting, if anything, but someone else will think ...), was an Italian project and construction. On it only artillery and our towers were installed. I always thought that this was the project "Captains Romane", but Vik Nikolaich kicked me and explained everything in his own way. I hope to add here myself to the above.
                1. +3
                  16 September 2019 23: 31
                  Cruiser Project 26.
                  Manufacturers
                  Gio. Ansaldo & C. (project documentation),
                  TsKBS-1 (revision of the project),
                  Factories No. 189, No. 198 and No. 199 (construction)
                2. +1
                  17 September 2019 09: 49
                  It is the leader "Tashkent", nicknamed among our sailors "Blue Cruiser"

                  yes, it was the "blue cruiser", as it was called .. soldier
                  1. +1
                    17 September 2019 14: 38
                    And the commander was a desperate and competent sailor Eroshenko. He went alone, relying on the "crazy" speed and excellent maneuverability of his ship. And everything worked out for him, he beat off all air attacks, and dodged bombs. And the "Luftwaffe" got it only in the port in the parking lot, when he could not use his main advantage - speed. It's a shame.

                    By the way, even in my youth I read the book by Borghese "10th Flotilla MAS", so there, Prince Valerio, not thinking a bit, ascribes the sinking of "Tashkent" to himself. It seems like his torpedo boats did their best. And there is not a word about this attack in Tashkent's logbook. It turns out that ours did not even pay attention to this trifle. laughing
      2. +2
        16 September 2019 21: 01
        And the "Vase" itself is so good. In a suitable place I went to the bottom.
  11. +5
    16 September 2019 15: 23
    If you want to learn more about the MAS flotilla, you need to go to La Spezia, there is a beautiful museum at their home base. Somehow I’ll write a report about him.
    1. +4
      16 September 2019 15: 41
      Worth it, don’t put it off. My friend was there in the eighties, he told me. The museum of the flotilla made a great impression on him, since he himself was a naval sailor and writer. hi
  12. +4
    16 September 2019 15: 44
    Just don’t pull!
  13. +4
    16 September 2019 15: 46
    Quote: Sea Cat
    Photos are just sparkle!

    This time they did four of them; wife, granddaughter, daughter and me. So everyone checked in!
    1. +4
      16 September 2019 16: 40
      Strong!!!
      Very interesting!
  14. +3
    16 September 2019 19: 17
    A good museum .. Opening hours are not very convenient .. But the museum itself is very good ..
  15. +4
    16 September 2019 20: 26
    Thanks to the author! I also definitely visit maritime museums when traveling abroad. In Milan I visited the Leonardo Da Vinci Technical Museum, where a separate hangar is dedicated to the Italian fleet. I read in the Soviet years memoirs of Prince. Borghese. And then I touched the equipment of live swimmers alive! Then they were leaders in underwater sabotage.