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And in the Pacific Ocean they finished their campaign ...

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Not the first article on the topic, clearly and not the last. But - in a radically different way. To begin with, I am happy to note the fact that something broke down in our Ministry of Defense. And it broke for the better.


And in the Pacific Ocean they finished their campaign ...


I strongly emphasize my personal opinion that this General Staff has finally reached out to our managers in the Moscow Region. There is simply no other explanation, I thought for a long time, but did not come up with anything. There are facts, no explanation. So, we begin to speculate.

Why do I “blame” the General Staff? It's simple: the place is not the most profitable, rather, on the contrary, but the officers there are very often smart and competent.

What are you talking about? About the Pacific navy.

In the light of all the circles around the Kuril Islands, the frank arms race launched by the Japanese, the Stakhanov pace of ship construction in China, our Pacific Fleet continued to turn into a pile of Soviet scrap metal. Alas, here you can talk about patriotism as much as you like, but there was absolutely nothing to boast of underwater missile carriers over the last 15-20 years.

Even in fact. Two corvettes of the 20380 project, “Loud” and “Perfect”. And two “Borea”, “Nevsky” and “Monomakh”. Point. Well, something out of boat trivia, the rest is at best the beginning of the 90 of the last century. At worst - 80's.

We are used to looking at the world map with a one-sided view, where in the middle is a European theater of operations. Plus, there is Syria, the escalation of the situation by the “partners” from NATO of the situation in the Baltic ... And here you have the result.

We have in the Pacific Ocean a very modest in composition (both qualitatively and quantitatively) grouping of ships. One old Varyag missile cruiser and one Fast destroyer with three anti-submarine ships against 38 Japanese destroyers ...



In general, the potential of a group of Pacific Fleet ships has long been in no way comparable to not only the combat capabilities of the US and Chinese Navy in the Pacific Ocean, but in non-nuclear weapons it is seriously inferior even to Japan.

And finally it dawned that the situation was critical. And the change began.

It looks peculiar, especially considering that the war in Syria, despite repeated statements about the destruction of all the militants, continues, and there is no end, as it were. Around Kaliningrad in particular, and indeed in the western direction, such an unhealthy revival of NATO forces is observed with the naked eye.

Against this background, the transfer of all shipbuilders to work for the Pacific Fleet looks peculiar. But a fact. Kaliningrad, St. Petersburg and Severodvinsk shipbuilders work in this direction. We don’t even talk about Far Eastern colleagues, everything is clear and understandable with them.

As evidence, I will cite the sudden transfer of Prince Oleg, the latest SSBN, armed with the Bulava 16 missiles and already equipped with the crew of the Northern Fleet, to the Pacific Ocean.

The same thing is with the so far the only “rattling” corvette, which completes the test program in the Baltic.



He, too, was preparing for the ranks of the Northern Fleet, but with him it turned out the same as with Prince Oleg. And the Thundering, which is armed with Caliber, will have to go to the Pacific Ocean instead of the Northern Fleet (the crew is also formed from the Northern Fleet).

By the way, the Pacific Fleet is still the only fleet in the Russian Navy, which does not have a single ship with the Caliber so well-established. Even the Caspian flotilla has such ships, albeit small ones, and the Pacific Fleet - no.

With ordinary submarines, too, tension began. Six diesel-electric submarines of the Varshavyanka class were decided to be transferred to the Pacific Ocean. True, five boats have yet to be built, but one, Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky, is already being tested. In the Baltic.



It is somewhat unclear, however, how these boats will be thrown. The path from the Baltic to Vladivostok is rather complicated, that through the ice of the Northern Sea Route, that across half the world (Atlantic and Indian Ocean).

Moving on.

Not entirely reliable, but there are rumors that all three ships of the 11711 project of the Ivan Gren type will also be sent there. “Vladimir Andreev” and “Vasily Trushin” definitely solve the issue with “Peter Morgunov”, so that he can go on a long voyage even before the first two ships are completed.



Although you yourself know how with the "Grena" everything is not easy.

Now many will have a question: wasn’t it easier to build ships there in the Far East? In order not to drive through half the world, just take and build?

Yes, there were times when factories in those parts built warships quite easily. And not some boats there, but destroyers and nuclear submarines. These were quite serious plants.

But it was a long time ago.

Russian reality today, to my great regret, is the poverty and squalor of once powerful enterprises.

Amur Shipyard. Pride of the Soviet construction of the Stalin era. Destroyers, submarines (including nuclear), leaders. 57 nuclear submarines, 41 diesel-electric submarine, 57 combat surface ships.



But that was then, in the USSR. And in Russia, the plant mastered the corvette of the 20380 Perfect project for 11 (ELEVEN!) Years. With a doubling of the cost of work, of course. After such “shock” work, the plant declared bankruptcy.

But they bought it, entered the USC and gave a contract for the construction of six more ships. Well, it's unrealistic to drive everything through the Northern Sea Route or through the Indian Ocean.

The second ship, “Loud”, was already being built at the Stakhanov pace. "Just something" in five years and three months. Progress, like, is evident. They were taken to the next ships according to 4 of the year, but they have not even been laid down yet.

The reasons for this “shock” work must be understood separately, but the fact is that today the shipbuilding of the Far East, to put it mildly, is not capable of anything.

And the shipbuilders of Komsomolsk-on-Amur were instructed to build "Karakurt". Small missile ships carrying Caliber rockets. And it seems like a bang, the first two ships are already laid.



Do not rush to rejoice. The deadline for “Karakurt” is determined by the 2026 year! Seven years for two RTOs!

I don’t want to seem unpatriotic, but ... The Akizuki destroyer was laid down at the Mitsubishi shipyards on 17 of July 2009 of the year.



On October 13 of 2010 of the year he was launched, and on March 14 of 2012 of the year he was transferred to the fleet. And it's a destroyer with a displacement of 5 000 tons (full 6 800). A little more than a boat with a displacement of 800 tons ...

You can give another example of the neighbors. China. The Chinese began to make their first aircraft carrier Shandong (type 001A) in November 2013, and launched it in April on the 2017. In just four and a half years. In 2020, they are going to surrender it to the PLA Navy. And they will surrender, I have no doubt.



Epithets? So I think that you just keep silent, realizing your "greatness and power."

However, it seems that we simply don’t know something about what is happening in the Far Eastern region. Otherwise, why Russia, so really straining, sends everything that is possible to the Far East?

What kind of fire is possible there?

It’s hard to say so far, but all this is not without reason.

And I’m sure that it’s hardly Russian-Japanese push for the Kuril Islands. They are definitely not worth it, and the Japanese understand this very well. Yes, they now have a fleet superior to our Pacific Fleet by a head (or even two). And even the fact that he goes to the Far East at a fire pace will not fundamentally change the situation.

I do not think that Japan will risk, even with the support of the United States, a war for the sake of four islets. Here it’s really very easy to solve the matter by arranging a tsunami rocket and just cooling the ambitions of the Japanese with such a shower.

But the clash between China and the United States over the Pacific ... I must say that representatives of the military departments of both countries have already noted loud statements.



Apparently, Russia is not going to observe the skirmish of two titans, but at least take part in the discussion that accompanies the division of territories and zones of influence.

And participation in such events, at least, should be supported by the game of muscles. And if China and the United States have something to play with, then we have everything as described above. In general, everything is very neglected. And even a bit late. But we (in the sense of the country's military leadership) are forced to make urgent, albeit clearly belated, attempts to change the situation in terms of the ratios of combat potentials in the Pacific Ocean.

Alas, so far few of our attempts are impressive.

More than once articles appeared in the Western media, perhaps too bright, but not without logic. Indeed, our fleet is very dependent on shipyards that are thrown back in their capabilities to the level of the 20-30 of the last century and are capable of producing a very limited number of ships of small tonnage.

What can I say, given data on missiles. The US Navy is armed with 12 000 offensive missiles. The Chinese fleet can deploy 5 200 missiles on its ships. Russian fleet - 3 300.

There is a nuance here. Nobody says whether the United States has these 12 of thousands of missiles. And if there is, then in what condition and what quality. And it is clear that those listed in the arsenal, for example, the Tridents of the second modification are not even the Caliber. But this nuance is worthy of separate consideration. And with a proper assessment, the situation will most likely not look so frighteningly sad.

But the fact is that over time, the number of Russian capabilities in terms of missile deployment can be reduced even more. This will happen as old ships are decommissioned, which will be replaced by ships, albeit new ones, but of smaller sizes and, accordingly, opportunities.

However, it is indicative: you can literally kill a fleet that once plowed the seas and oceans in just a couple of decades of reforms. Reforms not inferior in destructiveness to high-power ballistic missiles.

It is alarming that you can destroy it in 20 years, but restore it ... But sometimes you can restore it and not be able to restore it at all. Probably everyone can remember historical examples of the formerly "Lady of the Seas" Britain and her eternal rival Germany. Not so long ago, everything was.

In the meantime, seeing what is happening with our fleet, it is impossible to get rid of the feeling that all this looks very sad. Especially against the background of the recent historical past.
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  1. polar fox
    polar fox 10 September 2019 06: 22
    +37
    in fact, everything is simple, like satin cowards: there are not enough Workers. Namely, Workers, those trained, with hands not from the hip joint, and a head into which they not only eat ... the policy of the "party" has led to the fact that For example, from my group of 25 turners, not a single one works as a turner! glory to VVP, VAZ gave it to the paddling pool, they destroyed the entire machine park. completely. the last who worked there left the city altogether. some I know, everyone earns money somewhere, but not in their specialty. salaries are funny, like welded, electric erosion milling machine operators, waste workers ... this is not a "talking hole" from sports in the Duma or the administration with its "macaroons" ...
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                      1. frog
                        frog 10 September 2019 16: 18
                        +3
                        Here is how? Sorry, I did not notice .... To me, poor, it seemed that we were talking about the peculiarities of domestic production. Generally speaking, it is in the ship industry, but I agree to the VAZ. Of course, everything is fine with us and the construction superintendents who have come to perestroika have overcome everything !! Like the French who came to the VAZ. If you want to think so - your will, I do not want to ban and I can not. Yes, and I won’t, because it’s always funny how a person breaks his forehead about his own ideas ......
                        As for the erosion of topics and everything else, it is clear that "a step to the left, a step to the right is an escape, a jump on the spot is a provocation. The convoy shoots without warning." However, an attempt to sit in an artificially created swamp is also not the most sign ..... And to think you can do whatever you want about me, who will forbid you ??
                      2. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 10 September 2019 16: 44
                        -8
                        Quote: frog
                        To me, wretched, it seemed that we are talking about the features of domestic production

                        It is a sin, of course, to laugh at the wretched (s), but - it began here with this:

                        Quote: polar fox
                        glory of GDP VAZ gave to the paddles, they defeated the entire machinery fully

                        Everything else was the development of this particular topic.

                        In order not to get into trouble, it’s better to look at the beginning of the branch, before you start writing something in it yes

                        Quote: frog
                        If you want to think so - your will, I don’t want to ban and I can’t

                        They invented horror movies themselves, and attributed them to me for some reason.

                        I can slow down so that it doesn’t seem enough, but I won’t, because it’s said -

                        Quote: frog
                        ... it is always funny how a person breaks his forehead about his own ideas ...

                        Verily so yes

                        Quote: frog
                        As for the erosion of topics and everything else - it’s clear

                        You don’t understand anything. Blurring (expanding) the topic of discussion is a bad thing.

                        Example: we are talking about ... Lake Baikal, for example. And then you suddenly declare: "and Lake Baikal looks like a cucumber", and go on to discuss cucumbers.

                        At a minimum, this is silly, but usually a sign of trolling.

                        That is how I read your statement in this case. If you make a mistake, my apologies.

                        Quote: frog
                        And you can think of me whatever you want

                        Here I have nothing more to do, as soon as I think about you ... excuse me laughing
                      3. frog
                        frog 10 September 2019 17: 50
                        +3
                        Sobsssno, the whole speech began with the fact that the capitalists are so zealous that it’s just scary ..... I allowed myself to disagree with this, just that. Since I saw countless examples, at the VAZ, by the way, too. The other flood, which you apparently liked (if not so sorry)))) has no relation to the matter, like any lyrics.
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                      1. frog
                        frog 10 September 2019 16: 19
                        +1
                        Duc, they are temporary workers. Who, in such rules, counts himself out to others, even if he suddenly wants to be different .....
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    2. Same lech
      Same lech 10 September 2019 06: 35
      +16
      no one works with my group of turners in 25 as a turner! the glory of GDP, VAZ gave to the paddles, they defeated the entire machinery

      You are not alone in this trouble ... Vega had a good Vega plant ... produced a line of completely modern radio equipment and could lead the production of modern radio equipment in Russia ... and so, as a result of reforms and effective managers, this enterprise was brought to bankruptcy and 12 000 experts in their field were thrown out into the street ... The same situation was in Novosibirsk.
      The reforms of Gorbachev and Yeltsin and their liberals for our economy are comparable in their consequences to the invasion of Nazi Germany.
      1. polar fox
        polar fox 10 September 2019 06: 36
        +7
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        The reforms of Gorbachev and Yeltsin for our economy are comparable in their consequences to the invasion of Nazi Germany.

        I do not agree ... it did. There is a sea of ​​witnesses showing him and his policy to destroy collective farms and factories.
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          1. frog
            frog 10 September 2019 09: 18
            +9
            And you do not have enough education reforms, the new Forest Code and other innovations? And this is from fresh ....
            https://topwar.ru/162116-v-rossii-s-2021-goda-perestanut-gotovit-tokarej-slesarej-i-frezerovschikov.html
        2. Same lech
          Same lech 10 September 2019 06: 41
          +10
          this gdp did

          Here the tandem of GDP and DAM smile their policy now is somewhat different from the policy of wild capitalism since the time of Yeltsin ... but in general they devote all their efforts to developing big capital where big money goes ... ordinary people, as I understand it, have become somewhat unnecessary.
          The development of small and medium-sized businesses is going very hard this is a problem ... a big problem.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 10 September 2019 07: 43
            +11
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            The development of small and medium-sized businesses is going very hard this is a problem ... a big problem.

            There is no development of small and medium-sized businesses, there is degradation. Moreover, degradation in all areas of our country, just absolutely everywhere. The only exception is the military-industrial complex.
            1. frog
              frog 10 September 2019 13: 35
              +4
              As for the military-industrial complex, you are also mistaken))) It's just that it is not so noticeable to the layman there. Well, and some ... mmm ... there are still successes. True, this is the same as the steam heating of the Titanic ...........
          2. Keyser soze
            Keyser soze 10 September 2019 08: 38
            +2
            The development of small and medium-sized businesses is going very hard this is a problem ... a big problem.


            Dam, that's for sure ... in Germany, small and medium-sized businesses give 54% of GDP and 60% of jobs. They pay taxes, etc. By the way, it doesn’t matter with the conditions for this business either - officials and corruption interfere, although there are some progress.
            1. vladcub
              vladcub 10 September 2019 09: 35
              +4
              Let us be fair: not just like you and we, but in many countries. Globalization damn it + our reformers with a fifth point instead of the head
        3. vladcub
          vladcub 10 September 2019 09: 29
          +1
          Fox, let me clarify: collective farms and factories B.N. Ugrobil, and GDP is not involved in this
          1. sunzhenets
            sunzhenets 10 September 2019 20: 00
            +4
            Quote: vladcub
            collective farms and factories B. N. ugrobil, and the GDP is not involved in this

            Specifically, for example, my small town I will say. In the 90s, several enterprises closed, the rest continued to work. After 2008, everything was closed. Today, not a single working enterprise is present.
            Today I went fishing, to the territory of the former fish factory (he died around 2012). A gloomy sight. Empty window and doorways, all metal removed. Young trees sticking through cracks in the asphalt. Post apocalypse ...
      2. vladcub
        vladcub 10 September 2019 12: 30
        +4
        Lech, let me disagree with you a little: in 1988-1989 that is, under M.S. our radio industry worked successfully. Comrade Michman knows best of all about this, and therefore I propose to ask him
    3. exo
      exo 10 September 2019 12: 02
      +8
      Russia, no luck with the leaders. All other problems are from there.
    4. KrolikZanuda
      KrolikZanuda 10 September 2019 12: 08
      +8
      To have enough workers, they need to pay. At AvtoVAZ you mentioned above, the average salary is now about 36 thousand. Accordingly, for this money they work only from hopelessness. Someone with head and hands naturally went to other enterprises and firms for decent salaries. This applies to any profession.
      Py.Sy. He worked at AvtoVAZ 13 years. He retired as a toolmaker of the 6 category in 2013. Last year, they called back for 45 thousand. He politely refused, because now I evaluate my work much more expensive.
    5. Alexey Petrovichev
      Alexey Petrovichev 11 October 2019 09: 36
      0
      I agree completely.
  2. Cartalon
    Cartalon 10 September 2019 06: 35
    +8
    120 years ago, too, they sent everything that is possible to the Far East, it ended somehow not very well
    1. volodimer
      volodimer 10 September 2019 10: 11
      +4
      It is not true, if 120 years ago they were in a hurry, then 115 years ago it would not have come to war. And 114 would not have to be sent, what remained in completely unfavorable conditions. So in this the author is right, you have to fuss before it starts ... But the fact that this is patching up the "trishkin's caftan" ... At the moment everything is as it is, and there is nowhere for new ships to take.
      1. Cartalon
        Cartalon 10 September 2019 11: 27
        0
        This is how it was necessary to hustle in terms of ship composition, of the modern battleships in the Pacific Ocean only Oslyabya failed to send
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 10 September 2019 13: 48
          +4
          Quote: Cartalon
          This is how it was necessary to hustle in terms of ship composition, of the modern battleships in the Pacific Ocean only Oslyabya failed to send

          And also all five "Borodino" residents. As a result, there were only two modern EBRs in the Far East - the French "Tsarevich" and the American "Retvizan".
          "Pobeda" and "Peresvet" with their 10 "GKs" are still not full-fledged EBRs.

          And "Oslyabya" - yes ... this is the funeral march of government shipbuilding. Let me remind you that the Oslyabya, which was built by the state admiralty, was the lead in the Peresvetych series. Head!
          And during its construction, the recently accepted into the treasury, and before that a private Baltic plant, managed to consistently build two of the same type "Oslyabe" EBR - "Peresvet" and "Pobeda". Build and send to the Far East, where they came before the war. AND head "Oslyabya" did not have time in the Far East before the war began! belay
          1. Cartalon
            Cartalon 10 September 2019 15: 37
            0
            This is how such a miracle could Borodin before the war to transport to the Far East all the more 5
        2. ser56
          ser56 10 September 2019 15: 25
          0
          Quote: Cartalon
          only Oslyabyu failed to send

          you forgot about the return to the Baltic Sisoy and Navarin - quite modern ships .... request
          1. Cartalon
            Cartalon 10 September 2019 15: 35
            0
            They were transferred for repair and modernization and pulled to the last
            1. ser56
              ser56 10 September 2019 15: 43
              0
              Quote: Cartalon
              They were transferred for repair and modernization and pulled to the last

              the transition to the Baltic is 18 000 miles, i.e. on the 3-4 of the year, the resource of the CMU was enough for everyone ... but it was possible to patch up on the spot ... So until the readiness of the EDB Borodino could be held at the Pacific Fleet ...
              1. Cartalon
                Cartalon 10 September 2019 15: 45
                0
                It wasn’t necessary to patch it up, but a major overhaul was required, in fact it would be better left, but this is afterthought
                1. ser56
                  ser56 10 September 2019 16: 43
                  0
                  Quote: Cartalon
                  but this is afterlife

                  Is the afterglow the Borodino readiness dates? bully
                  How reasonable is it to expose a theater before a replacement arrives?
                  1. Cartalon
                    Cartalon 10 September 2019 17: 41
                    0
                    Or maybe it would be wiser to keep the based forces in the Baltic, but on the Far East and the cruising squadron it would be enough. Then the first blow of the Japanese would fall into the void.
                    1. ser56
                      ser56 10 September 2019 17: 50
                      +1
                      Quote: Cartalon
                      Then the first blow of the Japanese would fall into the void.

                      They would have just landed the landing immediately, and not after the death of Sevastopol with COM request
                      1. Cartalon
                        Cartalon 10 September 2019 19: 13
                        0
                        They started the war by landing, so then, well, then landed what?
                      2. ser56
                        ser56 11 September 2019 10: 50
                        0
                        Quote: Cartalon
                        They started the war by landing,

                        I'm not talking about Chemulpo, but at the PA, in the Talievan Bay.
                        Quote: Cartalon
                        have landed further what?

                        the siege of the PA would have begun earlier, and before they had time to concentrate the army, the Japanese go along the railway to Harbin ... request
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 10 September 2019 12: 46
      +1
      It is quite logical. In the 20 century, the Pacific Ocean became the focus of the fleets of the most developed countries in the world, in the 21 century the situation only worsened.
  3. Earthshaker
    Earthshaker 10 September 2019 08: 07
    -2
    Probably, everyone can recall historical examples of the formerly former "Lady of the Seas" Britain and her eternal rival Germany.

    I would add Holland and Spain.

    The fact that something broke down in the General Staff is good. But breaking does not build.
  4. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 10 September 2019 08: 21
    +6
    In general, everything is on the case, although somewhat emotionally. But this passage of the author did not understand
    And it is clear that those listed in the arsenal, for example, the Tridents of the second modification are not even the Caliber
    . Probably with Trident with Axes got it. It happens . I liked the intervention of Russia in the dismantling of the USA and China, only it seems to me that after painting such a bullet for three, there will be nothing to divide in the Pacific Ocean .. and there is nobody.
  5. Ural resident
    Ural resident 10 September 2019 08: 39
    +4
    According to the fleet, it was planned, at first, to update the small fleet, boats, tugboats, etc., and then to do something bigger. That's just with the pace of construction, everything went wrong. And if you can understand about the beginning of the 2000's - the collapse of the post-Yeltsin era, then the current pace is depressing. It seems they are shouting that there is a surplus in the budget, money cannot be poured into the economy, since inflation will be accelerated, so do factories, organize work, invite specialists. No, silence, but where are our new effective leaders .. Sobyanin and K? Unclear. I only know that there would be a will - everything can be organized at a good level, and even more so with a surplus. The timing of the construction of the ships is simply impressive.
    But this is one side of the issue. Another - who will serve on these ships? Where to get trained personnel, given the general demographic difficulties. Somehow young people are not in a hurry to go to work in the army, even on a contract basis, and here they also need to get a profession. In other words, where to get so many men who are ready to serve the fatherland today?
  6. donavi49
    donavi49 10 September 2019 09: 06
    +7
    Do not rush to rejoice. The deadline for “Karakurt” is determined by the 2026 year! Seven years for two RTOs!


    Schedule of delivery of engines. The Amur residents were given a window for 25 year = that's the delivery to the end of 26. It’s easier to build faster if the engines are installed according to the plan in 25 (and, really, in the 6 summer period, they will leave well if for + 1 a year for engines).

    Vaughn Pella shockedly brought Karakurty afloat, and then her entire shipbuilding sector got cancer. For the 3 of Karakurt without engines and the building OIC scored the entire wall = the ships simply have nowhere to lower. Taxied only through the ministry, where they will be the first to be given the engine in priority order.
    1. max702
      max702 10 September 2019 10: 21
      +1
      That's right, the fleet is a very long-running project with an extremely slow reaction .. After the collapse of the 90s-2000s, the final collapse came exactly to shipbuilding, because the industrial capacities there require enormous costs simply in terms of dimensional performance characteristics. To this problem was added import substitution and the development of new samples, which was hammered into for 30 years .. Therefore, I am categorically against the projects of ocean leviathans, AUG, SSBNs, and other mega-sized fleet .. For this, there are no economic, theoretical, or human resources .. And if we start even "yesterday" we will not be in time for the "fair" anyway! Funds will be spent but there will be no result! DO NOT HAVE TIME! Therefore, focusing efforts on aviation, space and rocketry ... This is what will give at least some benefit, everything else is a waste of resources!
    2. ser56
      ser56 10 September 2019 15: 26
      0
      Quote: donavi49
      Schedule of delivery of engines.

      is it really impossible to increase the power of motor builders?
      1. frog
        frog 10 September 2019 17: 59
        0
        It’s impossible, alas .....
        1. ser56
          ser56 10 September 2019 18: 06
          0
          Quote: frog
          It’s impossible, alas ...

          If it’s not a secret, what’s stopping you? It is clear that it is necessary to build a room, buy equipment, train personnel - but this is not from scratch - there is an existing production ...
          1. frog
            frog 10 September 2019 18: 19
            +2
            "Well, you, damn it, give" (c) The answer to this question will pull the volume of such articles about six. And this is without pictures))))
            In short, the problems are about 48 kulkov))) The production of ICEs, especially serial ones))) in the USSR was also very ....... difficult. They brought them almost decades. Now at many, if not most, enterprises the picture is simple. The leadership, for the most part, resolutely does not understand what they are releasing. Plus the corresponding leadership style, plus ....... (here you can stick the factorial icon))))
            As an example - they gave it to the plant (it doesn’t do seeders at all)))) the production of prototypes. Cases for products. Nothing complicated. Almost all managed to shove in state standard specifications. We talked with the technologist, they decided all the issues ...... The corps came. 3 cases, 6 covers (according to 2 on the case) Only fit as they arrived, you can’t interchange the covers - you can’t. Putting the surface clean on the drawings was no reason. With a tolerance of +/- 0,02, the difference in size is +/- 0,8. And so on.
            Since I have been living for a long time and a bunch of acquaintances - a similar mess everywhere. After a few hours inside the hotstzza, you can drink and fall very hard .............
            1. ser56
              ser56 11 September 2019 10: 48
              0
              Quote: frog
              The production of internal combustion engines, especially serial))) in the USSR was very ....... difficult.

              1) we do not live in the USSR, but brevity is the sister of talent hi
              2) the issue of increasing production volumes, and not a new engine request
              Quote: frog
              it is impossible to swap covers.

              not fatal, the main thing is that there is no leak .... crying
              Quote: frog
              like a mess everywhere.

              but how do they hand it over? Usually in such cases it is necessary to change either the equipment or the superiors ... bully
              1. frog
                frog 12 September 2019 12: 28
                0
                the issue of increasing production volumes, and not a new engine

                In order to increase production, you must first do what to produce, and then learn how to produce it in a normal series. We have almost all technically sophisticated .... constructions are assembled by hand by few who know how to work. As soon as they try to transfer this mode to truly mass production - step .....
                not fatal, the main thing is that there is no leak ..

                It is clear that it is not fatal. You can also select cartridges one to the Kalashmat from zinc. After such considerations, are you going to increase production ?? Glad for your unmotivated optimism feel
                but how do they hand it over?

                Duc and in the USSR somehow surrendered, especially at the end of the month lol When the decision was made to switch to ..... serial ...... production of the Su-34, then no more than 20% of the ...... "delivered" ones could fly long enough. The others were "finalized with a file" on site, from 2 weeks to 2 months. Sometimes more. Equipment can sometimes be replaced, sometimes not. It is very difficult to find people with hands, it is almost impossible to find people with heads. To replace the chief is to old man Hottabych ...
                1. ser56
                  ser56 13 September 2019 11: 41
                  0
                  Quote: frog
                  As soon as you try to transfer this mode to truly mass production - step

                  something like in aircraft construction is not so ... do you really think that diesel is more complicated than an aircraft engine?
                  maybe something needs to be changed at the conservatory? First of all, cadres of bosses ...
                  Quote: frog
                  Glad for your unmotivated optimism

                  but somehow I visit good factories .... Ural ... feel
                  Quote: frog
                  It’s very difficult to find people with hands, it’s almost impossible to find with their heads.

                  but did not try to pay normally? bully
                  Quote: frog
                  Replace the boss - this is the old man Hottabych ..

                  nothing is eternal under the Moon... bully
                  1. frog
                    frog 13 September 2019 11: 56
                    0
                    something like in aircraft construction is not so ... do you really think that diesel is more complicated than an aircraft engine?
                    maybe something needs to be changed at the conservatory? First of all, cadres of bosses ...

                    Insanely sorry, but explain to the wretched - are we discussing a round pony in liquid ether or real? If gutarim is for "in general" - one alignment, if for the fact that outside the window - completely different ...
                    but somehow I visit good factories .... Ural ...

                    Definitely glad. For you wink . Actually, it’s quite possible, probably lol , the presence of those. Just because they are not very few. However, for the most part, alas ..... I would just be happy to know the opposite, probably, I would even return to production feel But for now, alas. Knowing how, for example, a marvelous domestic passenger airliner was sculpted, recently launched in Nizhny Novgorod, or how ... ... they create projects for the same "Star" No.
                    instead of trying to pay normally

                    what I, by no means, am not the owner of these enterprises, if that ..... Again, on papers with a salary, everything is fine. For example, a teacher in our region receives as much as 6% more than the average salary in the region. True, the Guarantor ordered 100%, but that’s it. And yes, the teacher does not know about this, the authorities are telling him about it. At the university, which is puffing into some kind of ratings, there is about the same breed, just in profile. Salary of 49 tyrov was announced in bulk; in fact, God forbid, 27. College teachers at the same university even say on paper that their full-time salary is 9208. Which is generally illegal crying So what request ?
                    nothing is eternal under the Moon...

                    Yes, it’s clear, the pyramids still stand. Only the Egyptians have long been gone.
                    1. ser56
                      ser56 13 September 2019 12: 03
                      +1
                      Quote: frog
                      I, by no means, am not the owner of these enterprises, if anything

                      my answer is rhetorical - it’s difficult to find a specialist without a reasonable payment for his work and creating conditions for work ... request if the owner does not understand this, then he is satisfied with the mess ...
                      Quote: frog
                      College teachers at the same university

                      What kind of university is it if it has colleges? bully
                      1. frog
                        frog 13 September 2019 12: 31
                        0
                        If it’s no secret, what’s stopping you?

                        if the owner does not understand this, then he is satisfied with the mess ...

                        You answered your own question feel To the owner all this is violet, speckled, he lives in another galaxy .....
                        what is this university if it has colleges

                        This is a whole UNN them. Lobachevsky. One college - at the law faculty, the second - received after .... mmm ..... absorption of the NKI. It can be said as an inheritance.
  7. Ru_Na
    Ru_Na 10 September 2019 09: 07
    +1
    Hmm, it’s about us, they themselves ditched, now we are recovering by swelling huge funds, though we didn’t solve the main problem - the lack of the necessary number of workers and it is unlikely that we will solve it in the coming years!
  8. Brylevsky
    Brylevsky 10 September 2019 10: 16
    +7
    Quote: Cat Man Null
    a machine that has lain 20 + years in a box is no longer a machine, but scrap

    It seems that you have no clear idea of ​​either the machines or what they are made for. The canned machine stood in the factory packaging of 20 years, so what? Will a kitchen knife lose its cutting properties from the fact that it has not been used for 20 years? A cutter, cutter or drill?
    I have to grind some details on a Chinese lathe, and I would be happy if someone suggested I buy an old, Soviet machine, at least one that was in our Soviet high school about 30 years ago ... because that the quality and capabilities of those and it not comparable, despite his young age.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 10 September 2019 10: 34
      0
      Quote: Brylevsky
      The canned machine stood in the factory packaging of 20 years, so what?

      Stayed - notice - idle. It’s not clear where, for example, in the open air. And - a cherry on the cake - it was in the middle of the 90's - the beginning of the 2000's wink

      Yes if it didn’t rot, it’s already on the radio components and the colormet request

      PS: I saw machines not only in the picture.
      ZZY: in 90, I had 28.

      This is to cut off stupid questions. With smart - well, let's talk.
      1. VladGTN
        VladGTN 15 September 2019 00: 34
        0
        I would buy 16K20 standing in the original packaging for 20 years ....
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 10 September 2019 13: 52
      +2
      Quote: Brylevsky
      The canned machine stood in the factory packaging of 20 years, so what?

      A simple example: a control cabinet that had stood in its original packaging for a year had to be decommissioned. Devil's crows soaked bread crusts in a puddle at the top of the box and slid both the box and polyethylene. smile
      1. Brylevsky
        Brylevsky 10 September 2019 15: 17
        0
        Metal cutting and woodworking machines are supplied in wooden or plywood boxes. You take into account the weight of the product: some machines weigh under a ton, you cannot put one in a thin-walled container without risk for transportation ... And the control cabinet was made, apparently, of tin, if its casing could be hollowed out with the beak of a raven. Have you ever been to a factory, a metal-working shop? There "machines" on such beds stand that an automatic bullet will not shoot them, not only the beak of a bird ...
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 10 September 2019 17: 43
          +2
          Quote: Brylevsky
          And the control cabinet was apparently made of tin, if its casing could be extended with the beak of a raven.

          Not a skin. This winged infection slotted the polyethylene and hardboard with which the crate with the cabinet was sewn. And all the rain falling on the packaging began to merge into this hole.
  9. Grits
    Grits 10 September 2019 10: 26
    0
    And the title photo is old ... Made before 2011. Since the Golden Bridge is not visible in the background
    1. bubalik
      bubalik 10 September 2019 11: 47
      0
      Made before 2011 year.

      ,,, BPK "Admiral Tributs", April 2005
  10. Vladimir A. Trifonov
    Vladimir A. Trifonov 10 September 2019 10: 32
    +5
    Everything that was produced in the Soviet Union was not needed by anyone, only galoshes were of some quality, and even then only Africans bought them. V.V. Putin

    Here's everything you need to know about Putin's Long State.
    1. asv363
      asv363 10 September 2019 17: 16
      0
      Provide a link to the source where you got the quote. There is no such quote on the official website kremlin.ru; for simplicity, you can make sure by searching for the word "galoshes".
      1. Vladimir A. Trifonov
        Vladimir A. Trifonov 11 September 2019 14: 13
        +1
        For simplicity, you can sometimes just listen to the speeches of officials. And most importantly hear them. There are a lot of things on kremlin.ru that is why this source cannot be trusted. But YouTube saves everything. By the way, I watched this performance and remembered it well. I give a link.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onki6_Prtm4
        1. asv363
          asv363 11 September 2019 14: 51
          0
          I read the transcript of the plenary meeting of the State Duma on 08.05.2012/XNUMX/XNUMX, and I saw this cut out piece. There they talked about consumer goods, then Putin V.V. noted the high quality of defense industry products and, in response to a remark from the audience, the space industry.

          Where on the video, the link to which you sent, the Soviet Union is literally mentioned? The title of the video and your quote are not correct.
  11. Brylevsky
    Brylevsky 10 September 2019 11: 06
    +4
    Quote: Cat Man Null
    This is to cut off stupid questions. With smart - well, let's talk.

    I don’t want to argue. When I was in school, in labor lessons I had to work on metal-cutting machines, which were already over 20 years old then. They did their job normally. In Vladivostok at "Dalzavod" there were machines that were exported from Germany in 1945, and in the 90s these machines also worked quite well. I will be able to bring many more examples when machine tool equipment at the age of 20, 30, even 40 years, with proper care, worked, and continues to work to this day. Of course, if the machine without packaging is left in an open field, in the open air, then it will not live like this for a long time ... but your opponent noticed that
    they were cut along with the container at the commission with representatives of the board and the paddling pools.
    that is, it turns out that the machines were in factory containers.
    Yes, if it didn’t decay, it’s already on the radio parts and the colorimeter was dismantled

    Oh, God ... what radio parts are there, a CNC turning and milling machine, this is not an electron microscope ... Microcontrollers, servos, shaft angular position sensors ... even if they were taken away and / or became unusable (which is unlikely, because in a container), - new instead of old can not be stuck? Check the internet for how much a new CNC machine costs. Those "representatives of the board", in fact, deprived the plant of production capacity. Under Stalin, they would, at best, be sent to "sultry Magadan" to cut wood. And so, these managers, in all likelihood, muddied themselves with a good gesheft. Scum.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 10 September 2019 14: 08
      +2
      Quote: Brylevsky
      Oh my God ... what kind of radio components, a CNC turning and milling machine, it's not an electron microscope ... Microcontrollers, servos, shaft angle sensors ... even if they were pulled away and / or unusable (which is unlikely, for in containers), - you can’t stick new ones instead of old ones?

      Can. If they are still being produced. We were looking for a winch to replace the burned-out 2009 release of the year - it turned out that the old manufacturer had already died along with his entire line of winches.
      The biggest ambush will be when you try to integrate CNC machines with the release of shaggy year with the current software. A popular Native American hut will be, not CAD and software compatibility.
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  13. kupitman
    kupitman 10 September 2019 12: 04
    -1
    read an article, comments, I correctly understood that Putin is to blame for everything?
  14. Pavel57
    Pavel57 10 September 2019 12: 40
    0
    Six diesel-electric submarines of the Varshavyanka class were decided to be transferred to the Pacific Ocean.

    They will be driven on their own by eating motor resources. And why not take the example of the Vietnamese who used special transport for this?
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 10 September 2019 14: 10
      +1
      Quote: Pavel57
      And why not take the example of the Vietnamese who used special transport for this?

      There the dock was Dutch. So the question is - will the owner agree? And will he be subject to sanctions?
      1. frog
        frog 13 September 2019 12: 56
        0
        Duc, after all, we had "Transhelf". Finns built for the USSR. In one run, two sides of the 971 project dragged, EMNIP. Sold ..... 16.06.2004 became Dutch. Shaw is typical, already at ..... now))
    2. Ivanchester
      Ivanchester 10 September 2019 19: 59
      +2
      It is generally unclear what “decided to transfer” means - they were initially laid for the Pacific Fleet ...
  15. Greenwood
    Greenwood 10 September 2019 12: 49
    +4
    The shipyard SSK "Zvezda", on which some of the local jingoistic patriots pin their hopes, is in fact being built by Chinese companies and Chinese workers are working. I know firsthand. I work for a Chinese bank that works with contractors there.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 11 September 2019 07: 29
      -3
      Quote: Greenwood
      Shipyard SSK "Zvezda" ... in fact Chinese companies are building, Chinese workers are working

      Properly spelling out a cookie yes

      Or perhaps it’s more correct:

      Quote: Not_Greenwood
      In the construction of the Shipyard SSK "Zvezda" ... involved Chinese companies work, including, and Chinese workers

      Oh my friend? wink

      But, of course, in this form, the "fried" is no longer pulling ... and the cookie will not be given request

      Quote: Greenwood
      I work in a Chinese bank ...

      In, I knew. Patriots - they are such patriots negative
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 11 September 2019 08: 03
        +1
        The Chinese in fact carry out most of the work here, and the vast majority of Chinese workers. Locals were not allowed to build at all. And now you can continue to find fault with words. lol
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        In, I knew. Patriots - they are such patriots
        What did they know? You yourself are not in the civil service. tongue
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 11 September 2019 09: 58
          0
          Quote: Greenwood
          The Chinese in fact carry out most of the work here, and the vast majority of Chinese workers. Locals were not allowed to build at all

          You decided this because you work

          Quote: Greenwood
          ... in a Chinese bank that works with local contractors

          ? This is a question yes

          So this will not be enough. Through your bank, obviously, only some (I suspect a small) part of the financing of the construction and, most likely, some auxiliary facilities is going on. Where it is impossible to screw up request

          Quote: Greenwood
          You yourself are not in the civil service

          No, and for a long time already. I just do not position myself as an "ardent patriot", feel the difference ... if you can wink
  16. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 10 September 2019 13: 40
    +1
    It is somewhat unclear, however, how these boats will be thrown. The path from the Baltic to Vladivostok is rather complicated, that through the ice of the Northern Sea Route, that across half the world (Atlantic and Indian Ocean).

    636.3 ancestors were relatively recently brought to Vietnam - aboard a docking vessel.
    Amur Shipyard. Pride of the Soviet construction of the Stalin era.

    Not Stalin - Khrushchev and beyond.
    In Stalin's time, the Far East was a ship assembly of kits supplied from the European part of the USSR (in fact, the ship's hull was built twice). Moreover, this shipbuilding was not cheap.
    The estimated construction cost of Kalinin and Lazar Kaganovich reached 108 and 111,2 million rubles. respectively against 60 million rubles. for the head cruiser "Maxim Gorky". The estimated cost of works of plant No. 189 amounted to 18 million rubles., Plant number 198 - 21,2 million rubles. The planned volume of work of the factory number 199 for each of these ships was estimated at 90 million rubles. In general, with such cooperation, the cost of Far Eastern cruisers turned out to be 1,8 times higher than the construction of ships in the western regions of the country.
  17. Lord
    Lord 10 September 2019 13: 40
    0
    [quote] [/ quBy the way, the Pacific Fleet is the only fleet in the Russian Navy so far that does not have a single ship with the Caliber that has proven its worth. Even the Caspian flotilla has such ships, albeit small ones, and the Pacific Fleet - no.ote]
    But what about '' Perfect '' and '' Loud ''
    1. Ivanchester
      Ivanchester 10 September 2019 19: 58
      0
      Corvettes pr.20380 armed with "Uranium". "Gauges" are on pr.20385 and, possibly, will be in the form of a module on pr.20386.
  18. Astra wild
    Astra wild 10 September 2019 13: 44
    +1
    Colleagues Polar Fox and Cote Manuel, you left the topic of conversation, we said that the General Staff remembered the weakness of the Pacific Fleet
    1. frog
      frog 10 September 2019 14: 03
      +3
      Remember something, just what's the point? Taking into account how we have set up the "legal proceedings" at the moment, the sense of this memory ...... All the small ones that we are building at the very least are not entirely relevant at the Pacific Fleet, IMHO, the stump is clear. And the rest is for futurologists. There, for a start, it would be nice to at least bring aviation into at least some correspondence ........
    2. Cat man null
      Cat man null 11 September 2019 16: 25
      0
      Quote: Astra wild
      Colleagues Polar Fox and Cote Manuel

      Plus good So no one called me yet laughing
  19. Igor Borisov_2
    Igor Borisov_2 10 September 2019 14: 07
    +2
    Quote: Brylevsky
    Quote: Cat Man Null
    This is to cut off stupid questions. With smart - well, let's talk.

    I don’t want to argue. When I was in school, in labor lessons I had to work on metal-cutting machines, which were already over 20 years old then. They did their job normally. In Vladivostok at "Dalzavod" machines worked, which were taken out of Germany in 1945, and in the 90s these machines also worked quite well. I will be able to bring many more examples when machine tool equipment at the age of 20, 30, even 40 years, with proper care, worked, and continues to work to this day.


    For the sake of interest, I went to the assembly-mechanical workshop at our plant: a drilling machine manufactured in 1968 (Zalgiris plant), a lathe manufactured in 1980 (Krasny Proletary plant). None of the locksmiths have any complaints about the machines. And our turner of the 6th category on the machine "bald devil" can carve ...
  20. Brylevsky
    Brylevsky 10 September 2019 15: 44
    +9
    Quote: Greenwood
    The shipyard SSK "Zvezda", on which some of the local jingoistic patriots pin their hopes, is in fact built by Chinese companies, Chinese workers are working.

    And on the same Chinese equipment. I will say more: those multi-ton cranes that the "putenoids" were so proud of were assembled in China. But this is not the creepiest thing. And the fact that the taps are under warranty. And they break often. Breakdowns are constant, the plant workers themselves told me about this when I visited the "Zvezda" this year. So: they break down often, and under the terms of the guarantee, the factory ones do not have the right to fix the breakdown on their own - a team of Chinese technicians is needed. To do this, representatives of the crane manufacturer are rubbing at Zvezda. Yes, the Chinese. The salaries of the Chinese at Zvezda are higher than those of the Russians. And it was not just anyone who noticed this, but ... the "women of easy virtue" of the Big Stone. For them, the Chinese are the most desirable clients, as they allow themselves to spend fantastic amounts on carnal pleasures that are not available to ordinary people. All this was told to me by the workers of the plant in private conversations, without TV cameras and fake smiles. And these stories made me sick ... I thought for a long time whether to write all this, or not to write. I decided, after all, to write. "Better a bitter truth than a sweet lie." Now Zvezda is going to introduce not a full working week (that is, the salary will be cut proportionally) - there is no work for the plant, there is no order. And the workers have already collected loans in banks for this order ... can you imagine what awaits them?
    1. Saxahorse
      Saxahorse 10 September 2019 22: 51
      +2
      Quote: Brylevsky
      Yes, the Chinese. The salaries of the Chinese at Zvezda are higher than those of the Russians.

      That's not news. The average wage in China has been somewhere since 2008 higher than in Russia. And it continues to grow in proportion to the economy.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 11 September 2019 11: 00
      +1
      Quote: Brylevsky
      I will say more: those multi-ton cranes that the "putenoids" were so proud of were assembled in China.

      This is normal. During the Soviet era, cranes for a similar "Building berth 0" were bought in Finland. And I still don’t remember whose cranes were built by Soviet nuclear power plants. ICH, nobody shouted "Brezhnev leaked". wink
      By the way, we are not the only ones. Chinese ZPMC cranes even operate in Britain (Babcock Marine (Rosyth) Ltd) and Canada (Vancouver shipyards Co., Ltd).
  21. Brylevsky
    Brylevsky 10 September 2019 15: 48
    0
    Quote: Igor Borisov_2
    None of the locksmiths have any complaints about the machines.

    I'm talking about the same thing. Lubricate, change the "consumables", make sure that the alignment is not disturbed, and the machine will serve for many years.
  22. Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 10 September 2019 16: 10
    -2
    esteemed Roman bypassed the issue of inefficiency and futility of large surface ships in Vladivostok, the widest strait of the Japanese sea is tsushima, although it was already narrow in 1903 ...... and the Japanese sea is small and shot through ... but apparently large surface are the ships so useless that they are not even needed to defend the submarine base in Kamchatka?
    1. Ivanchester
      Ivanchester 10 September 2019 20: 04
      0
      And what was in Tsushima in 1903?
      1. Vladimir1155
        Vladimir1155 11 September 2019 01: 30
        0
        there was already preparing a tragedy, such as what might happen to large ships tomorrow in Vladivostok
  23. Pavel57
    Pavel57 10 September 2019 16: 17
    +1
    And what about aviation?
    1. frog
      frog 10 September 2019 18: 01
      +1
      Not at all, if in general. Especially, taking into account the features of the theater.
  24. dirk182
    dirk182 10 September 2019 17: 13
    0
    Who and how sold the fleet.
    https://tsar-ivan.livejournal.com/236774.html Very "interesting" article in the light of the above. This is just about the Pacific Fleet.
  25. Karaul14
    Karaul14 10 September 2019 17: 16
    -1
    The block of the USA and its allies has a population of more than a billion and a large part of the world economy, China is also a fool such that 17 trillion economy and 1.5 billion people. So, Russia's attempts to solve something there, somewhere to throw a couple of frigates look ridiculous, if you yourself see that only Japan is building a destroyer in 1 year and that they have 40 destroyers, and Russia can’t even build an 1 destroyer now. Roughly speaking, if a real arms race begins, then Russia simply doesn’t even get there, if necessary, they will stamp everything and so much that Mom’s not grieving.
    1. Pavel57
      Pavel57 10 September 2019 18: 09
      -2
      So the answer can only be nuclear.
      1. Karaul14
        Karaul14 10 September 2019 18: 13
        -1
        Then why bother with the transfer of a pair of frigates back and forth? I’m talking about this, it looks ridiculous against the background of rivals.
      2. frog
        frog 10 September 2019 18: 44
        0
        Yeah, that would be cool in August 2008 ............
      3. Sergey Obraztsov
        Sergey Obraztsov 10 September 2019 19: 56
        0
        And this is enough, by and large.
  26. Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 10 September 2019 21: 58
    -1
    But we won't have Tsushima. Because we don't have a fleet! And in the near future it will not be. You can continue shouting "Urya!" And rave about the "damned nineties."
  27. Vitaly L
    Vitaly L 11 September 2019 04: 03
    0
    Good afternoon, I’ll write a slice, I work in a bank as an ordinary clerk. But, many, they say that the government abandoned the Far East, people who come from holidays from the central European part of our country say that the region (Primorye) was 10-15 years behind the regions. As for the fleet, I think it is necessary to do so, so that the Chinese comrades would build, there is a 5th shipyard, and then slowly buy from them. That's all. Perhaps not everything is as rosy on Zvezda as the news shows, but 2 boathouses (a dry dock on the shore) are already being built there, and a second crane has been installed. The question is who will work there.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 11 September 2019 08: 06
      0
      Quote: Vitaly L
      and then slowly redeem them
      And where is the money to take?
      Quote: Vitaly L
      The question is who will work there.
      Chinese.
  28. aleksandaravin
    aleksandaravin 11 September 2019 16: 19
    0
    Thank God that Gaidar began to fool here too!
  29. Brylevsky
    Brylevsky 11 September 2019 16: 19
    +3
    Quote: Alexey RA
    ICHH, no one shouted "Brezhnev leaked."

    My post was not about that. Guys, here you are already, really, zadolbali being voluntary lawyers of Vova Putin. Everything is smooth without your protection. Why did you wedge him in here? I wrote about the problems of the Zvezda plant, which I had heard and seen, no, damn it, - and here it was necessary to screw it in ... If you go out, in the end, to the city square, publicly confess your love for Putin - and you will feel the real attitude of people towards him.
  30. Nemchinov Vl
    Nemchinov Vl 12 September 2019 14: 56
    0
    it is interesting that at the moment it does not allow to start laying for the Pacific Fleet at SSK "Zvezda" (in Bolshoy Kamen) in a series of 6-8 frigates 22350 (it would be more accurate to say 22350.2, as "Chichagin", i.e. already under 24 and not 16 cells UKSK, but in the same size as "Gorshkov" with "Kasatonov", in 5400 t. VI) ?! The speed of creating their power plant - DGTA M55R (and because of the slow assembly speed of the gearboxes at PJSC "Zvezda-reduktor", or the low speed of construction of turbines by Rybinsk "Saturn" ...?! Or the competence of shipbuilders of the SSK "Zvezda" itself? !
    1. frog
      frog 12 September 2019 21: 19
      0
      Actually, the fact that SSK "Zvezda" does not seem to be going to build anything for the Navy. This is a Rosneft project.
      1. Nemchinov Vl
        Nemchinov Vl 16 September 2019 17: 44
        0
        Quote: frog
        Actually, the fact that SSK "Zvezda" does not seem to be going to build anything for the Navy. This is a Rosneft project.
        Or maybe this is bad (which is not going to)?! We already have the Baltic Shipyard, over the years ahead, overloaded with commercial shipbuilding, instead of building a BOD / EM ... ...!
  31. Alexey Petrovichev
    Alexey Petrovichev 23 September 2019 12: 28
    0
    I agree with you Roman. We need a planned economy in shipbuilding, long-term orders, unification of ships, assembly line construction. But not like we have today, one corvette shipyard, tomorrow another, and then a completely different type of corvette at the third shipyard. Innovative! well, at least Chubais is out of work, otherwise it would have been a nanocorvette!
  32. Slippery
    Slippery 29 September 2019 10: 52
    0
    Quote: Igor Borisov_2
    None of the locksmiths have any complaints about the machines. And our turner of the 6th category on the machine "bald devil" can carve ...

    Vague doubts torment me
    [media = https: //www.youtube.com/watch? time_continue = 72 & v = tYJ0x8dhGw0http: //]
  33. Rustic i ......
    Rustic i ...... 28 November 2019 16: 47
    +1
    So what? everything is gone again! Is it time to give up? Katz offers to give up?
    1. Pushkar
      Pushkar 3 December 2019 10: 56
      0
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecA6usYXQ1A&list=PLk88wIUGVAHejiuozYdVT_P8RVfS-vhQH&index=111&t=0s
  34. Pushkar
    Pushkar 3 December 2019 10: 52
    0
    Thank you, the article is interesting, I did not think about the situation in the Far East before.
  35. smart fellow
    smart fellow 5 December 2019 14: 28
    0
    Funny.
    "Tridents" of the second modification are not a couple of "Caliber". Trident - ICBM, and Caliber - a long-range cruise missile.
    The author reports that he does not know how to deliver the Varshavyanka submarine to the Far East. They arrived in Vietnam on a chartered lighter carrier (the latter in Dutch). These are obvious as well.
    The whole article is of the same quality!
  36. ss-n-22
    ss-n-22 8 December 2019 13: 55
    0
    3300 offensive missiles at the Russian Navy? Were you mistaken with the order of numbers?