And in the Pacific Ocean they finished their campaign ...
Not the first article on the topic, clearly and not the last. But - in a radically different way. To begin with, I am happy to note the fact that something broke down in our Ministry of Defense. And it broke for the better.
I strongly emphasize my personal opinion that this General Staff has finally reached out to our managers in the Moscow Region. There is simply no other explanation, I thought for a long time, but did not come up with anything. There are facts, no explanation. So, we begin to speculate.
Why do I “blame” the General Staff? It's simple: the place is not the most profitable, rather, on the contrary, but the officers there are very often smart and competent.
What are you talking about? About the Pacific navy.
In the light of all the circles around the Kuril Islands, the frank arms race launched by the Japanese, the Stakhanov pace of ship construction in China, our Pacific Fleet continued to turn into a pile of Soviet scrap metal. Alas, here you can talk about patriotism as much as you like, but there was absolutely nothing to boast of underwater missile carriers over the last 15-20 years.
Even in fact. Two corvettes of the 20380 project, “Loud” and “Perfect”. And two “Borea”, “Nevsky” and “Monomakh”. Point. Well, something out of boat trivia, the rest is at best the beginning of the 90 of the last century. At worst - 80's.
We are used to looking at the world map with a one-sided view, where in the middle is a European theater of operations. Plus, there is Syria, the escalation of the situation by the “partners” from NATO of the situation in the Baltic ... And here you have the result.
We have in the Pacific Ocean a very modest in composition (both qualitatively and quantitatively) grouping of ships. One old Varyag missile cruiser and one Fast destroyer with three anti-submarine ships against 38 Japanese destroyers ...
In general, the potential of a group of Pacific Fleet ships has long been in no way comparable to not only the combat capabilities of the US and Chinese Navy in the Pacific Ocean, but in non-nuclear weapons it is seriously inferior even to Japan.
And finally it dawned that the situation was critical. And the change began.
It looks peculiar, especially considering that the war in Syria, despite repeated statements about the destruction of all the militants, continues, and there is no end, as it were. Around Kaliningrad in particular, and indeed in the western direction, such an unhealthy revival of NATO forces is observed with the naked eye.
Against this background, the transfer of all shipbuilders to work for the Pacific Fleet looks peculiar. But a fact. Kaliningrad, St. Petersburg and Severodvinsk shipbuilders work in this direction. We don’t even talk about Far Eastern colleagues, everything is clear and understandable with them.
As evidence, I will cite the sudden transfer of Prince Oleg, the latest SSBN, armed with the Bulava 16 missiles and already equipped with the crew of the Northern Fleet, to the Pacific Ocean.
The same thing is with the so far the only “rattling” corvette, which completes the test program in the Baltic.
He, too, was preparing for the ranks of the Northern Fleet, but with him it turned out the same as with Prince Oleg. And the Thundering, which is armed with Caliber, will have to go to the Pacific Ocean instead of the Northern Fleet (the crew is also formed from the Northern Fleet).
By the way, the Pacific Fleet is still the only fleet in the Russian Navy, which does not have a single ship with the Caliber so well-established. Even the Caspian flotilla has such ships, albeit small ones, and the Pacific Fleet - no.
With ordinary submarines, too, tension began. Six diesel-electric submarines of the Varshavyanka class were decided to be transferred to the Pacific Ocean. True, five boats have yet to be built, but one, Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky, is already being tested. In the Baltic.
It is somewhat unclear, however, how these boats will be thrown. The path from the Baltic to Vladivostok is rather complicated, that through the ice of the Northern Sea Route, that across half the world (Atlantic and Indian Ocean).
Moving on.
Not entirely reliable, but there are rumors that all three ships of the 11711 project of the Ivan Gren type will also be sent there. “Vladimir Andreev” and “Vasily Trushin” definitely solve the issue with “Peter Morgunov”, so that he can go on a long voyage even before the first two ships are completed.
Although you yourself know how with the "Grena" everything is not easy.
Now many will have a question: wasn’t it easier to build ships there in the Far East? In order not to drive through half the world, just take and build?
Yes, there were times when factories in those parts built warships quite easily. And not some boats there, but destroyers and nuclear submarines. These were quite serious plants.
But it was a long time ago.
Russian reality today, to my great regret, is the poverty and squalor of once powerful enterprises.
Amur Shipyard. Pride of the Soviet construction of the Stalin era. Destroyers, submarines (including nuclear), leaders. 57 nuclear submarines, 41 diesel-electric submarine, 57 combat surface ships.
But that was then, in the USSR. And in Russia, the plant mastered the corvette of the 20380 Perfect project for 11 (ELEVEN!) Years. With a doubling of the cost of work, of course. After such “shock” work, the plant declared bankruptcy.
But they bought it, entered the USC and gave a contract for the construction of six more ships. Well, it's unrealistic to drive everything through the Northern Sea Route or through the Indian Ocean.
The second ship, “Loud”, was already being built at the Stakhanov pace. "Just something" in five years and three months. Progress, like, is evident. They were taken to the next ships according to 4 of the year, but they have not even been laid down yet.
The reasons for this “shock” work must be understood separately, but the fact is that today the shipbuilding of the Far East, to put it mildly, is not capable of anything.
And the shipbuilders of Komsomolsk-on-Amur were instructed to build "Karakurt". Small missile ships carrying Caliber rockets. And it seems like a bang, the first two ships are already laid.
Do not rush to rejoice. The deadline for “Karakurt” is determined by the 2026 year! Seven years for two RTOs!
I don’t want to seem unpatriotic, but ... The Akizuki destroyer was laid down at the Mitsubishi shipyards on 17 of July 2009 of the year.
On October 13 of 2010 of the year he was launched, and on March 14 of 2012 of the year he was transferred to the fleet. And it's a destroyer with a displacement of 5 000 tons (full 6 800). A little more than a boat with a displacement of 800 tons ...
You can give another example of the neighbors. China. The Chinese began to make their first aircraft carrier Shandong (type 001A) in November 2013, and launched it in April on the 2017. In just four and a half years. In 2020, they are going to surrender it to the PLA Navy. And they will surrender, I have no doubt.
Epithets? So I think that you just keep silent, realizing your "greatness and power."
However, it seems that we simply don’t know something about what is happening in the Far Eastern region. Otherwise, why Russia, so really straining, sends everything that is possible to the Far East?
What kind of fire is possible there?
It’s hard to say so far, but all this is not without reason.
And I’m sure that it’s hardly Russian-Japanese push for the Kuril Islands. They are definitely not worth it, and the Japanese understand this very well. Yes, they now have a fleet superior to our Pacific Fleet by a head (or even two). And even the fact that he goes to the Far East at a fire pace will not fundamentally change the situation.
I do not think that Japan will risk, even with the support of the United States, a war for the sake of four islets. Here it’s really very easy to solve the matter by arranging a tsunami rocket and just cooling the ambitions of the Japanese with such a shower.
But the clash between China and the United States over the Pacific ... I must say that representatives of the military departments of both countries have already noted loud statements.
Apparently, Russia is not going to observe the skirmish of two titans, but at least take part in the discussion that accompanies the division of territories and zones of influence.
And participation in such events, at least, should be supported by the game of muscles. And if China and the United States have something to play with, then we have everything as described above. In general, everything is very neglected. And even a bit late. But we (in the sense of the country's military leadership) are forced to make urgent, albeit clearly belated, attempts to change the situation in terms of the ratios of combat potentials in the Pacific Ocean.
Alas, so far few of our attempts are impressive.
More than once articles appeared in the Western media, perhaps too bright, but not without logic. Indeed, our fleet is very dependent on shipyards that are thrown back in their capabilities to the level of the 20-30 of the last century and are capable of producing a very limited number of ships of small tonnage.
What can I say, given data on missiles. The US Navy is armed with 12 000 offensive missiles. The Chinese fleet can deploy 5 200 missiles on its ships. Russian fleet - 3 300.
There is a nuance here. Nobody says whether the United States has these 12 of thousands of missiles. And if there is, then in what condition and what quality. And it is clear that those listed in the arsenal, for example, the Tridents of the second modification are not even the Caliber. But this nuance is worthy of separate consideration. And with a proper assessment, the situation will most likely not look so frighteningly sad.
But the fact is that over time, the number of Russian capabilities in terms of missile deployment can be reduced even more. This will happen as old ships are decommissioned, which will be replaced by ships, albeit new ones, but of smaller sizes and, accordingly, opportunities.
However, it is indicative: you can literally kill a fleet that once plowed the seas and oceans in just a couple of decades of reforms. Reforms not inferior in destructiveness to high-power ballistic missiles.
It is alarming that you can destroy it in 20 years, but restore it ... But sometimes you can restore it and not be able to restore it at all. Probably everyone can remember historical examples of the formerly "Lady of the Seas" Britain and her eternal rival Germany. Not so long ago, everything was.
In the meantime, seeing what is happening with our fleet, it is impossible to get rid of the feeling that all this looks very sad. Especially against the background of the recent historical past.
I strongly emphasize my personal opinion that this General Staff has finally reached out to our managers in the Moscow Region. There is simply no other explanation, I thought for a long time, but did not come up with anything. There are facts, no explanation. So, we begin to speculate.
Why do I “blame” the General Staff? It's simple: the place is not the most profitable, rather, on the contrary, but the officers there are very often smart and competent.
What are you talking about? About the Pacific navy.
In the light of all the circles around the Kuril Islands, the frank arms race launched by the Japanese, the Stakhanov pace of ship construction in China, our Pacific Fleet continued to turn into a pile of Soviet scrap metal. Alas, here you can talk about patriotism as much as you like, but there was absolutely nothing to boast of underwater missile carriers over the last 15-20 years.
Even in fact. Two corvettes of the 20380 project, “Loud” and “Perfect”. And two “Borea”, “Nevsky” and “Monomakh”. Point. Well, something out of boat trivia, the rest is at best the beginning of the 90 of the last century. At worst - 80's.
We are used to looking at the world map with a one-sided view, where in the middle is a European theater of operations. Plus, there is Syria, the escalation of the situation by the “partners” from NATO of the situation in the Baltic ... And here you have the result.
We have in the Pacific Ocean a very modest in composition (both qualitatively and quantitatively) grouping of ships. One old Varyag missile cruiser and one Fast destroyer with three anti-submarine ships against 38 Japanese destroyers ...
In general, the potential of a group of Pacific Fleet ships has long been in no way comparable to not only the combat capabilities of the US and Chinese Navy in the Pacific Ocean, but in non-nuclear weapons it is seriously inferior even to Japan.
And finally it dawned that the situation was critical. And the change began.
It looks peculiar, especially considering that the war in Syria, despite repeated statements about the destruction of all the militants, continues, and there is no end, as it were. Around Kaliningrad in particular, and indeed in the western direction, such an unhealthy revival of NATO forces is observed with the naked eye.
Against this background, the transfer of all shipbuilders to work for the Pacific Fleet looks peculiar. But a fact. Kaliningrad, St. Petersburg and Severodvinsk shipbuilders work in this direction. We don’t even talk about Far Eastern colleagues, everything is clear and understandable with them.
As evidence, I will cite the sudden transfer of Prince Oleg, the latest SSBN, armed with the Bulava 16 missiles and already equipped with the crew of the Northern Fleet, to the Pacific Ocean.
The same thing is with the so far the only “rattling” corvette, which completes the test program in the Baltic.
He, too, was preparing for the ranks of the Northern Fleet, but with him it turned out the same as with Prince Oleg. And the Thundering, which is armed with Caliber, will have to go to the Pacific Ocean instead of the Northern Fleet (the crew is also formed from the Northern Fleet).
By the way, the Pacific Fleet is still the only fleet in the Russian Navy, which does not have a single ship with the Caliber so well-established. Even the Caspian flotilla has such ships, albeit small ones, and the Pacific Fleet - no.
With ordinary submarines, too, tension began. Six diesel-electric submarines of the Varshavyanka class were decided to be transferred to the Pacific Ocean. True, five boats have yet to be built, but one, Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky, is already being tested. In the Baltic.
It is somewhat unclear, however, how these boats will be thrown. The path from the Baltic to Vladivostok is rather complicated, that through the ice of the Northern Sea Route, that across half the world (Atlantic and Indian Ocean).
Moving on.
Not entirely reliable, but there are rumors that all three ships of the 11711 project of the Ivan Gren type will also be sent there. “Vladimir Andreev” and “Vasily Trushin” definitely solve the issue with “Peter Morgunov”, so that he can go on a long voyage even before the first two ships are completed.
Although you yourself know how with the "Grena" everything is not easy.
Now many will have a question: wasn’t it easier to build ships there in the Far East? In order not to drive through half the world, just take and build?
Yes, there were times when factories in those parts built warships quite easily. And not some boats there, but destroyers and nuclear submarines. These were quite serious plants.
But it was a long time ago.
Russian reality today, to my great regret, is the poverty and squalor of once powerful enterprises.
Amur Shipyard. Pride of the Soviet construction of the Stalin era. Destroyers, submarines (including nuclear), leaders. 57 nuclear submarines, 41 diesel-electric submarine, 57 combat surface ships.
But that was then, in the USSR. And in Russia, the plant mastered the corvette of the 20380 Perfect project for 11 (ELEVEN!) Years. With a doubling of the cost of work, of course. After such “shock” work, the plant declared bankruptcy.
But they bought it, entered the USC and gave a contract for the construction of six more ships. Well, it's unrealistic to drive everything through the Northern Sea Route or through the Indian Ocean.
The second ship, “Loud”, was already being built at the Stakhanov pace. "Just something" in five years and three months. Progress, like, is evident. They were taken to the next ships according to 4 of the year, but they have not even been laid down yet.
The reasons for this “shock” work must be understood separately, but the fact is that today the shipbuilding of the Far East, to put it mildly, is not capable of anything.
And the shipbuilders of Komsomolsk-on-Amur were instructed to build "Karakurt". Small missile ships carrying Caliber rockets. And it seems like a bang, the first two ships are already laid.
Do not rush to rejoice. The deadline for “Karakurt” is determined by the 2026 year! Seven years for two RTOs!
I don’t want to seem unpatriotic, but ... The Akizuki destroyer was laid down at the Mitsubishi shipyards on 17 of July 2009 of the year.
On October 13 of 2010 of the year he was launched, and on March 14 of 2012 of the year he was transferred to the fleet. And it's a destroyer with a displacement of 5 000 tons (full 6 800). A little more than a boat with a displacement of 800 tons ...
You can give another example of the neighbors. China. The Chinese began to make their first aircraft carrier Shandong (type 001A) in November 2013, and launched it in April on the 2017. In just four and a half years. In 2020, they are going to surrender it to the PLA Navy. And they will surrender, I have no doubt.
Epithets? So I think that you just keep silent, realizing your "greatness and power."
However, it seems that we simply don’t know something about what is happening in the Far Eastern region. Otherwise, why Russia, so really straining, sends everything that is possible to the Far East?
What kind of fire is possible there?
It’s hard to say so far, but all this is not without reason.
And I’m sure that it’s hardly Russian-Japanese push for the Kuril Islands. They are definitely not worth it, and the Japanese understand this very well. Yes, they now have a fleet superior to our Pacific Fleet by a head (or even two). And even the fact that he goes to the Far East at a fire pace will not fundamentally change the situation.
I do not think that Japan will risk, even with the support of the United States, a war for the sake of four islets. Here it’s really very easy to solve the matter by arranging a tsunami rocket and just cooling the ambitions of the Japanese with such a shower.
But the clash between China and the United States over the Pacific ... I must say that representatives of the military departments of both countries have already noted loud statements.
Apparently, Russia is not going to observe the skirmish of two titans, but at least take part in the discussion that accompanies the division of territories and zones of influence.
And participation in such events, at least, should be supported by the game of muscles. And if China and the United States have something to play with, then we have everything as described above. In general, everything is very neglected. And even a bit late. But we (in the sense of the country's military leadership) are forced to make urgent, albeit clearly belated, attempts to change the situation in terms of the ratios of combat potentials in the Pacific Ocean.
Alas, so far few of our attempts are impressive.
More than once articles appeared in the Western media, perhaps too bright, but not without logic. Indeed, our fleet is very dependent on shipyards that are thrown back in their capabilities to the level of the 20-30 of the last century and are capable of producing a very limited number of ships of small tonnage.
What can I say, given data on missiles. The US Navy is armed with 12 000 offensive missiles. The Chinese fleet can deploy 5 200 missiles on its ships. Russian fleet - 3 300.
There is a nuance here. Nobody says whether the United States has these 12 of thousands of missiles. And if there is, then in what condition and what quality. And it is clear that those listed in the arsenal, for example, the Tridents of the second modification are not even the Caliber. But this nuance is worthy of separate consideration. And with a proper assessment, the situation will most likely not look so frighteningly sad.
But the fact is that over time, the number of Russian capabilities in terms of missile deployment can be reduced even more. This will happen as old ships are decommissioned, which will be replaced by ships, albeit new ones, but of smaller sizes and, accordingly, opportunities.
However, it is indicative: you can literally kill a fleet that once plowed the seas and oceans in just a couple of decades of reforms. Reforms not inferior in destructiveness to high-power ballistic missiles.
It is alarming that you can destroy it in 20 years, but restore it ... But sometimes you can restore it and not be able to restore it at all. Probably everyone can remember historical examples of the formerly "Lady of the Seas" Britain and her eternal rival Germany. Not so long ago, everything was.
In the meantime, seeing what is happening with our fleet, it is impossible to get rid of the feeling that all this looks very sad. Especially against the background of the recent historical past.
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