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Green Energy: Trojan Horse Move

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So, in the first article we tried to find in the “green energy” those advantages for which it is so zealously developed throughout the world, and, as follows from the discussion of the article, we didn’t really find it. But if the stars are lit, then does anyone need this? Based on this, we take a closer look ...


Green Energy: Trojan Horse Move

One of Greenpeace shares in India. The consequences are at the end of the article. Source: russianpulse.ru


Initially, alternative energy came into circulation only because of energy hunger in certain areas. Well, no oil and gas - lie down and die? Again, one must understand that the fossil sources are finite, and finite in the foreseeable future. So far, everything is logical - we need to look for new sources. Those who do not have traditional ones. Use the resources that are available. I especially ask you to pay attention that for the construction of absolutely any electric power station an energy resource is needed. If you have a coast, then you have nothing to worry about:


Source: scanmarine.ru


If you have the desert of North Africa or California outside your window, God himself ordered that the sun be used, because nothing grows there anyway ... Almost. And if we are talking about the European part of Russia or about Germany?

And here we get to the most interesting - such an argument as “environmental friendliness” is used. Here we are now thoughtfully and understand.

What is ecology ...


This, oddly enough, is science. She studies any systems that have any boundaries and there is something living inside them. The submarine on combat duty is a typical example of an isolated ecosystem, everything is done so that inside there are completely different conditions than overboard. A house with walls and a roof - made in order to create an ecosystem, to provide conditions not like on the street. City. The country unites according to some principles, has borders and within them has its own laws and traditions, often directly tied to the ecology of the region. A typical example is sinks with a plug in Britain (well, historically there is little water) and the love of Russians for flowing water, the first thing is changing the faucets in England.

The main message is that ecology concerns everyone. And there is not a single person whom she does not touch. This is the science of everything. And precisely because it climbs into all spheres of human activity, it is very convenient for her to manipulate. In the simplest way - “I'm talking about your particular concern!” And then - pull out one fact and leave the others.

An example offhand are migrants. We take a supporter of the creation of a mono-ethnic state, a stubbornly radical one, they say, no “big hopes,” in Belovodye there should be only Belovodsky! Conditional name. Slap him a picture:


Wadom Nationality, Zimbabwe


And then you say that this is not a consequence of nuclear bombing, but the result of voluntary self-isolation of the tribe from its neighbors for several centuries. Without "poneehalov". Do you want this in your Belovodye? And I didn’t lie at all, and this is quite possible. I just didn’t say anything, but it really can be quite. A little nibble of your brains - and your radical tomorrow will be “universal”, and moreover convinced. He saves himself and his country from genetic abnormalities.

And now about the basic principle of ecology. This is a concept of sustainable development. Those. take from the environment approximately as much as return to it. There are only two ways for the development of mankind - “back into the caves”, a person integrates into the ecosystem of the planet on the basis of the usual biological species (maybe even the millionth population on the planet will survive) without changing nature, and the second way is to create a technosphere, roughly, sort of The ISS is the size of a planet (it is easy to understand that all the same, the supply of raw materials is needed there). There are no more options, any development goes either one way or the other.

This principle applies to specific objects, but what a horror, nothing to do with environmental protection. has. The task is to preserve the ecosystem, and not the individual organisms in it.

Again, the city of Norilsk. The city-forming enterprise - Nornikel, that it is "dirty", everyone has already heard. Conclusions of pseudo-ecologists - close! And the funny thing is that it’s not ecological. The ecosystem of the city of Norilsk is being destroyed, there is no work - the city will die out, and with it everything that warmed up within the city will die out, not only people live in cities. On a global scale, the absence of nickel destabilizes the technosphere of the Earth (and with it the entire ecosystem of the Earth, the technosphere is part of it). Again, not environmentally friendly.

Again, an example is the construction of an industrial-scale SES. We take a huge area and completely remove it from the biosphere. Lifeless territories. It’s environmentally friendly, but not in the sense that they say green. This allows the ecosystem of a city to exist (being a part of it, by the way, is a way of creating the technosphere). However, there is a direct conflict with environmental activities, which the “green” call ecology. I recommend green spaces to search here: 10 largest solar power plants in the world.

... and its practical application


There is a science. Engaged in extremely serious things. Ecological expertise in the construction of large facilities is needed not in order to understand what fines to take, but in order to understand how much the facility can work and whether there will be more benefit than harm. The economy considers the profitability from the project to the closure of the enterprise, the environment - the profitability of possible options for using the same resource for all time. This is not a wave of the flag with the words "save the whales", the main methodology in ecology is mathematical modeling, higher mathematics is a major subject. That is, this science has a basis and justification of the laws of this ecology itself. And these laws did not arise yesterday, the “Liebig barrel”, for example, is the middle of the 19 century, the doctrine of the noosphere is the beginning of the past ... There is something to say and justify.

Grateful audience. It directly affects everyone!

We add the first with the second and we get a funny picture that these are all environmental (supposedly) organizations and their protests ... This is that same soft power, and there is nothing for the state to oppose it. Counter-propaganda is ineffective - see the example of a two-toed native. One can object to this - with a certain number of people, the population goes into genetic diversity within itself, and closely related crosses that lead to such a thing are no longer threatened. But “these are just words, where is the evidence ?!” There he showed us even a picture, it really is, and in that Zimbabwe! Or would you say that in isolated Belovodye this can never happen ?! ”And the state is obliged to answer that it is scanty, but there is still a chance ...

The main problem of green energy


Now back to energy. We stopped on the fact that of the advantages for countries that have traditional energy and do not have a special sun with winds, we only have the manipulation of the word "environmentally friendly". And this, as we see, is strongly given away by political technologies. But the stars are lighting, and someone still needs it.

In fact, everything lies on the surface - there is an ownerless tool for manipulating opinion, which is significant due to the fact that it concerns absolutely everyone, that is, the mobresource of this force is equal to the world's population. And this force can be turned in any direction. And this tool is used in full force, and few people realize this, and they cannot counteract this.

Energy-deficient Germany, industrial, in need of a stable energy supply, is killing its own nuclear energy due to environmentalists and, with increasing energy consumption, is developing green. Just imagine, you have an industry. Which constantly needs a certain number of kilowatt hours.



The total generation of SES (orange) and WES (blue) in Germany for February and August 2012 years. The official presentation of the German energy company RWE. Source: geoenergetics.ru


If your generation jumps from 3 to 40 gigawatts per day - you have an eternal accident throughout the country. Remember, recently the 2 unit of one nuclear power plant stopped due to an accident at the 3 substation of the gigawatt unit? Now imagine that you regularly have 20-30 of such blocks turned off suddenly and regularly! But those who did this — the Green Party — did not even lose their place in the Bundestag.

Capture platform Prirazlomnaya. Penetration of private property, a large industrial facility, the main goal is to stop the activity of this platform. If the management of a working complex structure is intercepted by people who do not know how to manage this construct, what will happen?


Gulf of Mexico Deepwater Horizon April 2010


But the state is not able to answer. An attack on an industrial facility fraught with a man-made disaster is a terrorist attack. But the state has nothing to oppose them. They will not even be understood within the state - like not bearded shahids with machine guns, “we will save the whales”, hippies are harmless, it seems? And they are not fighting against someone, but want to make the planet cleaner! Yeah, there is only one oil producing platform in the world, in the USA there are none, you have to swim through half the world. And Russia is letting go of those who have been convicted of piracy under international treaties, the Hague Arbitration Court finds guards guilty of violating maritime law, Russia will pay. And it will pay again, if that is - no countermeasures have been worked out. Traditional laws and international treaties do not work on them.

This is the main problem of green energy. A cure for poison differs only in dose, but with skillful manipulation - by showing that green energy can be a cure ... For example, for coastal Crimea and desert California ... It brings down the energy security of countries such as Germany and, in the future, Russia. And it will be stronger tank attacks - so that the enemy cuts his throat with his own hands.

Oh yes ... About the consequences of Greenpeace shares: Indian authorities deprived Greenpeace of a license to work in the country. Indian authorities accuse the organization of financial fraud and data falsification. In addition, the lobby group is blamed for neglecting Indian tax laws and in pushing ideas hindering economic growth.
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nytimes.com, geoenergetics.ru, globaltake.com, scanmarine.ru, russianpulse.ru
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 9 September 2019 05: 47 New
    +16
    If your generation jumps from 3 to 40 gigawatts per day - you have an eternal accident throughout the country.

    In my house in the winter at the dacha, the temperature jumps to minus 40 degrees ... I have to heat the stove with wood and coal ... to hell with green energy ... you want to live ... but you can easily freeze with us.
    The Greenpeace organization with a double bottom ... this is already clear to everyone and you just need to kick it out of Russia in the ass.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 9 September 2019 06: 02 New
      +3
      Quote: The same Lech
      Greenpeace double bottom organization ..

      And who feeds a woman, he dances her
    2. Greg Miller
      Greg Miller 9 September 2019 17: 49 New
      -1
      Very clearly and impartially about the "green" energy ...
      1. Mainbeam
        Mainbeam 15 September 2019 07: 35 New
        0
        Thanks for the reference! Great video!
        Every 5 minutes I thought that everything was already sorted out.
        But each time there was a new round of information supplementing the previous one.
  2. Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 9 September 2019 05: 59 New
    +9
    Well, and how do they differ from the “white helmets" in Syria?
    Yes, nothing. Methods are the same
    Indian authorities accuse the organization of financial fraud and falsification of data. К
  3. nikvic46
    nikvic46 9 September 2019 06: 34 New
    +5
    Yes, Winter makes big changes in our life. It’s important not only to get energy, but also to accumulate it. After the activities of the greens in our country, we still cannot come to our senses.
    1. Ehanatone
      Ehanatone 15 September 2019 03: 19 New
      0
      "After the green activities in our country, we still cannot come to our senses."
      Not for fun:
      And what, they managed to do something with us!? ...
      1. nikvic46
        nikvic46 15 September 2019 06: 10 New
        0
        Under the guise of destruction chem. factories for the production of vaccines were destroyed. We did not buy them before.
  4. Gardamir
    Gardamir 9 September 2019 06: 58 New
    -14
    The author unconvincingly tries to prove that green energy is harmful and useless. And harmful because its supporters are Greenpeace.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 9 September 2019 07: 26 New
      +15
      green energy is harmful and useless.
      Solar panels are good in the desert where there is a lot of sun ...
      I have a problem in SIBERIA ... windmills require open spaces and constant wind ... it’s also problematic with our forests and swamps ... again, there is common coal and gas and firewood, so far there is nothing to seriously replace them.
      Greenpeace workers often cheat by suggesting switching to green energy without taking into account local conditions ... usually by the order of rogue customers.
      1. Avior
        Avior 9 September 2019 08: 49 New
        -7
        In Germany, it is full of windmills and solar. not a desert at all.
        1. Ehanatone
          Ehanatone 15 September 2019 03: 23 New
          0
          "In Germany, it is full of windmills and solar. It is by no means a desert."
          Well, where does Germany get the main flow of energy from, and yet its industry has long and hopelessly stepped far beyond the level of windmills!?
          1. Avior
            Avior 15 September 2019 11: 20 New
            0
            There is not one kind of dominant type of power generation.
            For 2017, for example, renewable about 38 percent, for 2016 - about 34 percent.
            The share of renewable is growing all the time.
            On coal - 25 percent, wind generators - 16-17 percent, the rest are smaller
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 9 September 2019 10: 45 New
        +1
        Quote: The same Lech
        Solar panels are good in the desert where there is a lot of sun ...

        A huge problem with the DISPOSAL of these batteries is the whole "gain" in vain ....
      3. SASHA OLD
        SASHA OLD 9 September 2019 11: 40 New
        +3
        Quote: The same Lech
        Solar panels are good in the desert where there is a lot of sun ...
        I have a problem in SIBERIA ... windmills require open spaces and constant wind ... it’s also problematic with our forests and swamps ... again, there is common coal and gas and firewood, so far there is nothing to seriously replace them.
        Greenpeace workers often cheat by suggesting switching to green energy without taking into account local conditions ... usually by the order of rogue customers.

        from Surgut I raise my hand up - I support
      4. Gardamir
        Gardamir 9 September 2019 15: 07 New
        0
        Solar panels are good in the desert ... windmills require open spaces
        Once there was no solar panels and nothing appeared and will develop. Windmills must be placed at a height at a very high altitude. Well, develop batteries. All this is not done in one day. but it is necessary to study and develop. And why the current government can not send green letters, afraid of partners?
      5. Mainbeam
        Mainbeam 14 September 2019 19: 08 New
        +2
        [
        Quote: The same Lech
        I have a problem in SIBERIA with this

        agree

    2. garri-lin
      garri-lin 9 September 2019 07: 35 New
      +9
      The author is trying to prove that the anarchist-nihilist organization Greenpeace has long been a handler and leverage. I turned away from their ideas about 10 years ago and take Green in the title somewhat differently: $.
    3. Chaldon48
      Chaldon48 9 September 2019 07: 56 New
      +18
      No, the author is just trying to show that the puppet Greenpeople have nothing to do with ecology as a science. Their organization is just an instrument of watered technology and all of their "environmental criticism" works in one direction, crush the criticism of the competitor, for the sake of the one who paid for this "criticism".
    4. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 9 September 2019 10: 01 New
      +6
      The author did not write about this at all. And the fact that the completely noble goal of forcing states to relate the problem of environmental pollution to economic benefits, in the hands of scoundrels and outright scammers, turns into a bargaining chip of a petty struggle for their selfish interests.
    5. Olgovich
      Olgovich 9 September 2019 10: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: Gardamir
      then green energy is harmful and useless

      by and large, yes: how much OIL (in kW) is burned to create these windmills in metal, to build and operate, to utilize? More than this windmill in kW ... gives.
    6. frog
      frog 9 September 2019 12: 46 New
      +3
      The author does not try to prove the harm or benefit of the so-called green energy. IMHO, of course))) He writes about manipulations when communicating on this topic. This is not connected with energy itself.
      1. Rwmos
        10 September 2019 00: 33 New
        0
        Exactly. Everything is good - to the point, I wrote it in plain text. but Crimea is not everywhere, and California is not everywhere. on the contrary, there is Siberia, where it will not take off, but they are trying to promote it ...
        1. Rwmos
          10 September 2019 18: 49 New
          -1
          but not everywhere Crimea
          By the way, the cry of "Crimea" in the town hall - we had an emergency) even when the Union just became
    7. dauria
      dauria 10 September 2019 21: 18 New
      +2
      The author unconvincingly tries to prove that green energy is harmful and useless.


      In my opinion, the author convincingly proved that a "green ecological" paradise can only be built in the office. Where a couple of light bulbs, air conditioning, coffee machine, mobile phone charger and a computer with a printer. Forgetting that behind the wall you need a metalworking shop with annealing, machine tools, cranes, thermals and electroplating. The same "dirty" workshop, for the money of which there is a "clean" office.
      Try to build paradise by paying for the things you need not money, but kilowatt hours (or joules, calories, if you like wink ) spent on the production of these things. I turned the pedals (solar panel, windmill) for 1 kWh - get a screw. For 10 kWh - get a hammer. laughing
      Since ancient times and from the first fire, mankind has been using solar energy stored in organic matter. Say thanks to the Greek Prometheus for dirty energy, otherwise they would remain ecologically friendly monkeys now.
  5. Strashila
    Strashila 9 September 2019 07: 23 New
    +1
    Now everyone is observing a sharp climate change in Russia, with a high degree of probability these are the consequences of the mass closure of enterprises. Scientists have proven that atmospheric transparency plays a greater role in climate change than temperature. Changing the transparency of the atmosphere leads to the fact that the cycles of air flows change and precipitation begins to fall in completely different areas. this was observed as a drought in Ethiopia after the massive closure of enterprises in Europe when the precipitation zone changed.
    So ecology is a loose concept, it can be exactly the same weapon in competent hands.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 9 September 2019 07: 33 New
      +2
      Quote: Strashila
      So ecology is a loose concept, it can be exactly the same weapon in competent hands.

      Well, about climate weapons for a long time they say
    2. Shkworen
      Shkworen 10 September 2019 08: 30 New
      0
      If the permafrost zone melts, then nothing good will come of it.
      We have 70% of the country's area included in this zone, this is essentially one big swamp, where there is a lot of methane and all sorts of muck, such as retroviruses, from which we have no immunity.
      On a habr not so long ago they wrote that it is still enough to increase by +1 - +1.5 degrees of the average world temperature so that all this melts.
  6. Humpty
    Humpty 9 September 2019 07: 41 New
    +1
    At the expense of a photo of the feet of boys from the tribe. Are there few people among migrants whose faces look just as spectacular? Marriages between relatives and are now quite practiced among a number of nationalities. Crossing with them so that the legs of the descendants are not hurt?
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 9 September 2019 08: 07 New
      +1
      Quote: Humpty
      At the expense of a photo of the feet of boys from the tribe. Are there few people among migrants whose faces look just as spectacular

      Faces have nothing to do with it. Look at your feet
  7. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 9 September 2019 08: 34 New
    +7
    Always annoying when you hear from people, journalists and even politicians of no small rank: - they say, the environment is bad.
    Yes, not the environment, but the ecological situation! The author is absolutely right - ecology is a science, and science cannot be bad or good! Disgusting geometry or mediocre algebra - it sounds like nonsense, but everyone is used to the phrase "bad ecology" and you can’t get it out of your head.
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin 9 September 2019 08: 41 New
      +3
      Yes, no, dear. The right combination. Ecology is bad. Just like a science. Because, for the sake of lobbying, some comrades become one-sided. Just like a one-sided science. By doing so, I descred myself. Alas.
  8. Igor Pa
    Igor Pa 9 September 2019 09: 33 New
    +5
    About 10 years ago it was: we are walking with my wife along the street (in Germany), in front we see a handful of teenagers, one adult. they have some kind of stand, leaflets, something that people show. Come closer. Children with mental retardation, downs and others collect signatures for the Greens for closing the plant. I felt really bad. What are the creatures of politics.
    1. Rwmos
      10 September 2019 00: 39 New
      -1
      And at dinner, the discussion began with the fact that Irishka indignantly told us a completely disgusting story. Today in the morning she was on duty at the Cherry special boarding school, and after lunch the instructor of the city manager, Lyutikov Andrei Maksimovich, came to them, called all the staff to the teaching staff and made a "brilliant proposal": to bring the whole "Cherry" to the city council for tomorrow's demonstration in full force including paralyzed, blind and hopeless. The column will go under the slogan: "We blame Flora!" This will produce an effect. This will find a response.

      Arkady and Boris Natanovich Strugatsky ... "Weighed down by evil." It was just written during the beginning of the "shootout" by Gorbachev.
  9. rocket757
    rocket757 9 September 2019 09: 33 New
    0
    We must fight for ecology now and then, although we had to start the day before yesterday! But the means do not justify the goal, it is an axiom, neglecting which punishment will not take long!
  10. Avior
    Avior 9 September 2019 09: 38 New
    +2
    in the first article we tried to find in the "green energy" those advantages for which it is so zealously developed around the world

    The pros in the last article looked like this
    • "Clean energy". About the fact that the SES can only stand on dead ground, I already think it’s clear. Lunar landscape. And next to the wind farm supports, even earthworms in the soil die from vibration. This is not to mention that these meat grinders for birds make noise so that nothing can be built around them again. Once again, disposal is a dirty thing.

    Here it is, Mykhalych! These were the advantages of the author. About cons and scary to think .....
    As for this article, it would be useful for the authors to consult with a power engineer.
    And he would say that the structure of the energy consumption schedule for the day is not a straight line.
    There is a daily half-peak, especially pronounced at industrial enterprises, and there are evening and morning peaks in consumption, it is rather a housing stock.


    so that
    If your generation jumps from 3 to 40 gigawatts per day - you have an eternal accident throughout the country.

    Yes, it’s an accident, if you have generation only from nuclear power plants and thermal power plants of a conventional design (HPPs are usually used to cover consumption peaks), this is due to their high thermal inertia and a relatively narrow range of operating capacities when working under load.
    And so, to cover the daytime half-peak and partially morning and evening peaks, just solar energy is the best suited.
    An alternative to it is only the so-called semi-peak blocks on fossil fuels - expensive, included only during the day.
    In fact, it is very convenient, since it fully corresponds to the structure of consumption of industrial enterprises.
    And if we take into account that in winter, energy consumption is much higher than in summer, and if you look closely at the graphs given by the author, you can see that wind power production is growing in winter, then you can make an obvious conclusion - the graphs given by the author perfectly correspond to the structure
    energy consumption and reduces the risk of accidents in the power system.
    Further, regarding the fact that SES and TPPs do not always produce energy. In fact, this is a problem of the entire energy system - it very rarely works at full capacity.
    Here is the energy consumption structure for the year-year schedule.



    And as for
    However, there is a direct conflict with environmental activities, which the “green” call ecology. I recommend green spaces to search here: 10 largest solar power plants in the world.

    So if you look at the author’s link, then you can see if there is a desert or semi-desert around, then at the station it’s the same, if there is green around, as in California, then there’s green at the station.
    As for migrants and other things, in my opinion, they have nothing to do with the topic .....
    1. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 9 September 2019 10: 53 New
      -1
      Quote: Avior
      in the first article we tried to find in the "green energy" those advantages for which it is so zealously developed around the world

      The pros in the last article looked like this
      • "Clean energy". About the fact that the SES can only stand on dead ground, I already think it’s clear. Lunar landscape. And next to the wind farm supports, even earthworms in the soil die from vibration. This is not to mention that these meat grinders for birds make noise so that nothing can be built around them again. Once again, disposal is a dirty thing.

      Here it is, Mykhalych! These were the advantages of the author. About cons and scary to think .....
      As for this article, it would be useful for the authors to consult with a power engineer.
      And he would say that the structure of the energy consumption schedule for the day is not a straight line.
      There is a daily half-peak, especially pronounced at industrial enterprises, and there are evening and morning peaks in consumption, it is rather a housing stock.


      so that
      If your generation jumps from 3 to 40 gigawatts per day - you have an eternal accident throughout the country.

      Yes, it’s an accident, if you have generation only from nuclear power plants and thermal power plants of a conventional design (HPPs are usually used to cover consumption peaks), this is due to their high thermal inertia and a relatively narrow range of operating capacities when working under load.
      And so, to cover the daytime half-peak and partially morning and evening peaks, just solar energy is the best suited.
      An alternative to it is only the so-called semi-peak blocks on fossil fuels - expensive, included only during the day.
      In fact, it is very convenient, since it fully corresponds to the structure of consumption of industrial enterprises.
      And if we take into account that in winter, energy consumption is much higher than in summer, and if you look closely at the graphs given by the author, you can see that wind power production is growing in winter, then you can make an obvious conclusion - the graphs given by the author perfectly correspond to the structure
      energy consumption and reduces the risk of accidents in the power system.
      Further, regarding the fact that SES and TPPs do not always produce energy. In fact, this is a problem of the entire energy system - it very rarely works at full capacity.
      Here is the energy consumption structure for the year-year schedule.



      And as for
      However, there is a direct conflict with environmental activities, which the “green” call ecology. I recommend green spaces to search here: 10 largest solar power plants in the world.

      So if you look at the author’s link, then you can see if there is a desert or semi-desert around, then at the station it’s the same, if there is green around, as in California, then there’s green at the station.
      As for migrants and other things, in my opinion, they have nothing to do with the topic .....

      First adequate comment
      1. Rwmos
        10 September 2019 15: 59 New
        -1
        Here it is, Mykhalych

        I want to argue - it doesn’t work, so mykhalych got down to side issues ... Mykhalych - well done. Shit. Of course, but is that important?
    2. Rwmos
      9 September 2019 11: 25 New
      +2
      Quote: Avior
      And so, to cover the daytime half-peak and partially morning and evening peaks, just solar energy is the best suited.

      Due to its stability? February February 13 generation per day - about 2,5 gigawatts. Looks like overcast. Cover her half peak. Ah doesn’t come out? Oh. need "the so-called semi-peak blocks on fossil fuels are expensive, included only during the day.". What a pity ... Yes, no, no. there are solar power plants, and they are suitable for covering a half peak! Or is someone lying?
      Quote: Avior
      And if we take into account that in winter, energy consumption is much higher than in summer, and if you look closely at the graphs given by the author, you can see that wind power production is growing in winter, then you can make an obvious conclusion - the graphs given by the author perfectly correspond to the structure
      energy consumption and reduces the risk of accidents in the power system.
      ... especially considering that the total wind farm + solar power station half of the days of February does not reach the average generation level of wind farm alone in August in 15GW. And in the winter, as you said, it is needed more than in the summer.
      This is what I wrote about - we have the purest juggling not even with numbers, concepts, absolutely not compatible with reality and even with declared principles.
      Choose -
      * or you have all summer SES working idle, i.e. money thrown to the wind
      * or you have a specific energy deficit in winter.
      But only in both cases you have a network load - emergency. In the first case, there is nowhere to put the surplus. in the second - to stop consumption.
      Quote: Avior
      So if you look at the author’s link, then you can see if there is a desert or semi-desert around, then at the station it’s the same, if there is green around, as in California, then there’s green at the station.

      There are at least two stations in California. Where is the greens? And they are being built in the deserts precisely because otherwise it is necessary to first turn the greens into the desert, otherwise it will close the panels. This is a technological condition for the functioning of the SES. Sunlight can go ONLY to plants, OR panels, and both at the same time - cannot
      1. Avior
        Avior 9 September 2019 14: 35 New
        -2
        Here, for example. This is the first photo on the link

        Green plants are not always in need of direct light, it is often scattered.
        In general, for the TPP, they choose as much as possible unsuitable lands for agricultural use, all kinds of salt marshes and deserts, nothing grows there and they are cheaper.
        As for the download ...
        I brought you a special annual schedule, it can be seen from it that the installed capacity of power plants is always much higher than average consumption, some units always do not work, with rare cases of peaks.
        This is the usual state of affairs, and the application of SES and WES does not change anything.
        The blocks of the power system dispatcher are ranked and it gives commands which switch on, which switch off and at what power at a given time.
        The larger the power system and the more power plants and solar power plants, the more stable they will generate electricity due to the difference in weather in different parts of the country.
        1. Avior
          Avior 9 September 2019 14: 36 New
          0
          Typo- SES, not TES build on villains
        2. Rwmos
          9 September 2019 18: 59 New
          +3
          Topaz is larger (the first photo):


          Diffuse sunlight for plants - DEPRESSIVE CONDITIONS. And even if something grows up, they will have to be destroyed so that the panels do not close the light - something scattered by them by any side is not enough!
          installed capacity of power plants is always much higher than average consumption

          10 times ?! What? Give an example of a thermal power plant or a nuclear power plant with an 10fold margin in productivity. THIS IS A DIRECT LIE!
          Further, you propose to build a solar power station with a reserve of 10-20 times so that on days like February 13 not to stop the blast furnaces and rolling mills? 9 / 10 equipment not working normally, but getting old? For example, a solar panel undergoes photodegradation. regardless of whether or not the load is removed from it, the surface is scratched at any time of the day.
          That is, you propose to throw out from the budget for the construction of a solar power station / wind farm 10 times the power consumption, while the construction and operation of a solar power station / wind farm is already more expensive than traditional? More than in 10 times the cost to drive due to 10fold reservation? I applaud while standing — there will be no economy in such a country — everything will be spent on reserving idiocy from the SES!
          1. Avior
            Avior 9 September 2019 23: 02 New
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            And what is there to look at that photo on the link, there is greenery. On yours is a desert, both at the station and around, as required to prove it, either at inconveniences where, in principle, nothing grows, or grass can grow quietly on it without problems.
            As for the grass that closes the panels - not seriously, there are varieties of grass that do not grow above a certain height.
            Just like there is grass that grows precisely in the shade, and burns out in the sun, for example.
            10 times ?! What? Give an example of a thermal power plant or a nuclear power plant with an 10fold margin in productivity. THIS IS A DIRECT LIE!

            You are more accurate with words.
            Here above I gave daily schedules, for industrial consumers the energy consumption difference is just 90 percent, taking into account the housing stock, the difference in 75 percent, from 100 to 400 in active power, depends on the structure of consumers, and the supply is needed not for a specific unit, but for the entire energy system- some can turn off, some use at reduced power.
            Take a close look at the daily charts that I have given - how much time per day does the system work at full capacity?
            As for the nuclear power plant, I wrote to you above, they have a narrow range of workloads, they cannot change the performance of a power unit over a wide range, and for this they use different types of blocks in the power system.
            In practice, this is solved as part of the blocks, first of all, nuclear power plants and powerful thermal power plants operate in the basic mode, their power is regulated in a not very wide range — twice, for example, less at night, more at day.
            This is not enough during the day, therefore, for the daily peak, semi-peak blocks are used, with peaks, as a rule, hydro generators, they have a minimum start time.
            All this is controlled by the power system dispatcher, he monitors the frequency in the network - if it decreases, he gives a command to increase the power on some units, or start new ones, if possible.
            All blocks work only during short peaks, most of the time the blocks are either turned off or operate at a deliberately reduced power.
            How and at what point to start or disconnect specific blocks specifically — the energy system dispatcher has a ranked list of all power units, for example, by specific increases in energy costs or other criteria that are optimal for the energy system in this mode.
            Sorry, but what I am writing to you is the basics, electro-faculty students are told this in their third year, and writing to me from a mobile phone is inconvenient, I will not argue about this anymore.
            hi
            1. Rwmos
              10 September 2019 00: 12 New
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              Firstly, even the desert is not lifeless. Unless, of course, she covers the energy necessary for life with an umbrella of solar panels, and also doesn’t eliminate the available water (it also happens there) - a drainage system during the construction of a solar power station. About lifeless, for example, Sahara - I recommend St. Exupery to read ... Even on salt licks there is life ... If you don’t cover it from above with an opaque SES umbrella.
              The second one. What does semi-peak have to do with it? You have industrial energy production, within the framework of the state - industry also requires energy at night, you screw me (this word) about "half-peaks" that the SES "like no one better" levels. And you don’t need any “blocks of fossil fuels, expensive, included only during the day.” (C) Well, why doesn’t it require energy at night, the sun has disappeared - it has also fallen asleep. Or blast after stopping - just throw it away? And the "half-peak thermal" are becoming more environmentally friendly because they need to be turned on not at daytime, but at night?
              In addition, apparently you misunderstood - the funniest thing - there isn’t even a night-day spread - the funniest thing is between two days. 2,5 GW per day and forty at once!
              And about nuclear power plants - they do not have a narrow range, but a stable generation level - this is their niche. As shunting - wind farms in those parts where there are steady winds - still play, moreover, this is one of the best options! But the main generation of an UNSTABLE source for STABLE consumers is not to become, by definition ...
              1. Avior
                Avior 10 September 2019 09: 03 New
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                To ensure the stability of the system, peak blocks exist precisely, in the event of differences in energy production for some reason or a sharp increase in the load, they are launched, just in the case of a nuclear power station or a wind farm, their operating time will be slightly longer.
                I haven’t written anywhere that in a power system there should be only one type of power units, this system is quite complex both in structure and in control.
                It's funny to read about grass - well, you write nonsense that it so stuck with this grass, it’s full of photos where it really grows in the desert or semi-desert, it’s clear that it is not specially planted, it doesn’t grow, and in other cases it is obvious.
                Well, what’s wrong, the blast furnace doesn’t require energy at night, the sun has disappeared - she, too, has fallen asleep.

                A blast furnace consumes electricity only for auxiliary purposes, such as the operation of cyclones or blowers, the main source of energy in it is coke, and a blast furnace is not a very large consumer of energy. A much greater consumption is the production of aluminum, electrolysis baths are used there, there are arc and induction melting furnaces, so they consume a lot of electricity that day, that night.
                But they are far from everywhere, and I gave you a schedule of a much more typical single-shift industrial enterprise, and not a three-shift one.
                Chesslovo, this educational program from the smartphone bores me. Can you just give a link to a textbook on electricity? Or find and read it yourself. This topic is complex and difficult to explain on fingers. But if briefly, from a technical point of view, SES and WES are very well suited to replace part of the thermal or atomic blocks.
                In a particular power system there will be a specific optimal share of electricity production for solar power plants and wind farms, and it can be large enough, but this is too complicated a question to discuss on the fingers. There are methods for calculating energy systems, where all this is considered in numbers in relation to specific conditions and types of consumers, they also take into account flows from other or other connected energy systems, and other factors, such as reactive power consumption and so on.
                On the fingers about this is an empty argument, especially since you are clearly not in the subject.
                Are you stuck and you want the last word to be yours?
                Yes, for God's sake, let it be
                hi
  11. dgonni
    dgonni 9 September 2019 11: 39 New
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    The article reminded me of Miller’s tales for a shale bubble and gas of 1000 dead raccoons per thousand cubic meters. Well, the same articles in specialized journals, because lunar landscapes and deserts appear at the place of shale mining. The indicators of production of wind farms and solar power plants for 2012 also smiled. Why didn’t the author show the indicators for 2018?
    Physically in Germany, in the first half of 2019, green energy gave in aggregate more electricity than coal plants together with nuclear power plants, then about 47,5% of all electric energy! By 2023, it is planned to increase the share of renewable energy to 65%. And if 10 years ago Germany would not even have spoken about the withdrawal of atomic blocks from the general scheme, then after 10 years they will withdraw them, because peak loads will be covered by thermal blocks and obviously not on coal! The coal era in Germany is already over. On the way oil.
    Physically, almost all of Europe at the moment is developing precisely SES and wind farm. Old units with a wind farm migrate east to Poland, Slovakia and the Czech Republic with Romania, they are replaced by more modern ones with more power and better efficiency indicators.
    So you can brush aside a factor such as green energy as an annoying fly, but the fact remains, Russia has also overslept at the moment and it will not be possible to sell gas in the old volumes and former prices on the competitive market. However, like oil.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 9 September 2019 12: 04 New
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      Quote: dgonni
      Physically in Germany, in the first half of 2019, green energy gave in aggregate more electricity than coal plants together with nuclear power plants, then a total of about 47,5% of all electricity

      Link please?

      Quote: dgonni
      The coal era in Germany is already over. Oil is coming

      Maybe. But not gas wink

      Quote: dgonni
      Russia has also overslept at the moment and will no longer be able to sell gas in the previous volumes and former prices on the competitive market

      A bold conclusion. Justify? wink
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        1. Prutkov
          Prutkov 9 September 2019 12: 41 New
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          You probably didn’t finish reading the article you quoted in Deutsch Well. It says that gas generation is most profitable. Coal generation is less profitable only because of environmental charges.
          1. dgonni
            dgonni 9 September 2019 14: 19 New
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            Gas generation in modern realities is more profitable for one reason! And the reason is that on the Roterdam exchange 1000 cubic meters of gas is traded at 120 dollars, on the Austrian at 144 dollars for the same thousand cubic meters !. Given the environmental aspects of coal and the more acceptable characteristics of a thermal power plant in terms of the speed of launching and adjusting power, gas is cheaper. This is not gas 2012 at 300-350 per thousand cubic meters! And not even the forecast 240 laid down by Gazprom for 2019 in its budget!
            1. Prutkov
              Prutkov 9 September 2019 14: 28 New
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              Therefore, the Germans with both hands for the "Nord Stream". And all who are sent against the flows in three letters (probably wind farm :)).
              1. dgonni
                dgonni 9 September 2019 15: 18 New
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                Yes, that's why! And when, from mid-2020, the states begin mass supply of their LNG to the European market, the gas price will drop further. It is forecasted up to 75-100 dollars per thousand cubic meters. Qatar is also on its way and is eager to snatch a little fellow from a gas pie in Europe! so you are completely right! It is such diversification, more suppliers, more volumes, less price!
                1. Prutkov
                  Prutkov 9 September 2019 15: 29 New
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                  Qatar is not the first year on the LNG market. Why haven’t Gazprom been moved so far? Regarding American LNG, while the United States is buying Russian. States will not be able to physically completely squeeze Gazprom out of Europe. There are simply not so many gas carriers and will not (too expensive). And if we take into account that gas production in the North Sea is falling, and Norway has reached the peak of gas production, then the States will take some part of the market for themselves.
                  1. dgonni
                    dgonni 9 September 2019 15: 57 New
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                    Qatar orientated in terms of LNG purely to the southeast! In fact, he was almost a monopolist in exports to Japan. But having sensed what the shale threatens in the states, at the beginning of last year they sharply curtailed prospective work in terms of oil, of which they exported something in the region of 13%, and cheerfully rushed to catch up with the states. Fortunately, they don’t need much, with a dozen new tankers and their liquefaction plants! So far, they are 1,5-2 years behind the Shtatovs. Qatar also had attempts to lay a gas pipeline to southern Europe. But Libya, Syria, etc. In general, it did not work out.
                    With regard to pipelines on the east coast of the states, according to the plan, gas pipelines start-up in March, plants in April July! By August, the first new gas carriers will already be at the berth walls on the east coast!
                    With regards to Norway, he smiled. They do not have depletion of reserves, but simply develop the developed fields. The explored reserves there are quite in reserve, and as they exhaust the developed reserves, they will be put into operation. Perhaps there will be a drawdown for a couple of years but no more than 10 billion cubic meters.
                    P.S. Gazprom has already donated 10 lards to the Ukrainian market to Europeans together with the staff!
                    1. Prutkov
                      Prutkov 9 September 2019 16: 19 New
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                      Let me remind you that in Europe there are already terminals for receiving LNG. And they are loaded, God forbid, at 50%. What is stopping Qatar now, without waiting for the United States, to sign treaties and redirect gas carriers? The same Ukraine in 2012 already tried to get gas from Qatar. But the price of the Russian “disadvantageous” turned out to be less than the Qatari one. And now, if the United States wants to supply gas to Ukraine, let it supply. Only money for gas where to get? Now, let them take it "for maintenance." In Norway. Read carefully. It is written that gas production at PIKE, i.e. Norway cannot increase gas production. So, with the current level of gas supplies to Europe, a decent deficit in gas supplies is formed. His staff and can fill.
                      1. dgonni
                        dgonni 9 September 2019 17: 00 New
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                        Yes, there are LNG liquefaction plants in the seals. Yes, they are loaded somewhere by 50-65%. Yes, Qatar would like to sign up and carry gas. The key word is the lack of gas carriers in the right amount and firm contracts in southeast Asia. It’s just that their hands are technically connected at the moment!
                        In 2012, Ukraine, in no other years, tried to crank such equipment! The panic statements of Azarov with Yanukovych, who understood that with SP-2 the dough not to be seen, does not count!
                        Yes, Norway will not increase production! It's true. Yes, I wrote that over the course of several years a drop of 10 lard is possible. What is the actual question then? There will be no wild deficit, from the word at all! There will be an influx of gas and there will be a drop in prices. The states will squeeze everyone out, but Gazprom will suffer the most with its largest market share. Europe is in profit, because cheap energy is like doping for an athlete.
                        P.S. And now, at this moment, we needed to concentrate. Gazprom needed to break into Europe when Qatar decided! Well, green energy will quietly reduce gas and oil consumption in the energy sector!
                        PS.2 Somehow everyone slept through the boom of electric vehicles that Germany announced! In 5 years 30% of Europeans will drive electric cars powered by green sources. Just take a calculator and estimate the minus in the supply of oil and gas. The figure is simply amazing, and it is already coming today!
        2. Cat man null
          Cat man null 9 September 2019 13: 00 New
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          Quote: dgonni
          1. Link

          Thank you.

          Quote: dgonni
          2. There is no gas yet. But right after the oil. Although obviously not very soon

          Well, while he is even growing up ...

          Quote: dgonni
          3. US shale entering the European market at the beginning of the middle of 2020 with its own LNG, which they really have nowhere to go

          The fact that he has “nowhere to go” - a) can easily turn out to be a bluff, and b) never obliges the EU to buy this gas.

          Well, and after - from the article:

          in favorable weather conditions more and more electricity can be obtained from alternative sources. As for the latter, the first half of 2019 was extremely successful: at first there were a lot of windy and then sunny days

          And weather conditions - they are so ... weather request
          1. dgonni
            dgonni 9 September 2019 14: 23 New
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            The weather is of course weather. However, they do not cancel the fact that Germany is rushing like a tank in terms of reducing dependence on external energy sources. And if they do 65%, and they do. That will raise the question of how much and how much to sell from Russia. Unfortunately, Miller is in the clouds!
  12. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 9 September 2019 19: 28 New
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    Greens is an organization of the CIA, State Department and Fed Financiers.
    Enemies of humanity.
    They kill young seals and whales (Canadians, Norwegians and Japanese cannibals). They still teach Russians!
  13. APASUS
    APASUS 9 September 2019 19: 52 New
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    Just on this topic, the material from our "partners" https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-49566130
    Epiphany: Thousands of Britons realized that solar panels will never pay off
    1. dgonni
      dgonni 10 September 2019 08: 14 New
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      Well? Krivorukovye businessmen put substandard panels, what is surprising here? The company closed in 2016, loans were taken for 10-20 years. 10 years ago, the price of panels was 3 times higher than modern. No wonder, especially on foggy albion.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 10 September 2019 18: 03 New
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        Quote: dgonni
        Well? Krivorukovye businessmen put substandard panels, what is surprising here? The company closed in 2016, loans were taken for 10-20 years. 10 years ago, the price of panels was 3 times higher than modern. No wonder, especially on foggy albion.

        It's not about how much the panels cost or how much they took the loan. The fact is that they were simply thrown, telling the charms of green energy, luring with unconfirmed data on the profitability of this transaction.
  14. TOR2
    TOR2 9 September 2019 23: 31 New
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    Submarine on alert - a typical example of an isolated ecosystem
    Probably an ordinary aquarium is more suitable for an example. Take away part of the fish, and the plants will stop growing and developing. I completely agree with the author that all these organizations have long turned into a bunch of grant-eaters and loafers. One of the myths about starting on a cold engine has been heard by many. And when the GM experts objected to them, apart from the cradle and the hay, this pack could not oppose anything. Geyropa, too, is not particularly behind. They got attached to CO2, but this is actually an element of the ecological chain. They decreased to the point that when the fuel was burned in the cylinders in the exhaust gases, a soot fraction appeared that is really dangerous for the lungs of a person.
    And how much noise was there at the beginning of the zero about azone holes. Their business was famously until the hackers opened their correspondence, and then documents surfaced that this phenomenon was first recorded in 1905.
    Something is inaudible that these organizations, for example, would support a project for the selection of tree varieties that would grow well in an urban environment and consume carbon dioxide in huge quantities. Or they would seek the allocation of additional funds for monitoring forest fires and the development of rapid firefighting forests.
  15. kig
    kig 11 September 2019 05: 58 New
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    In vain the author was so excited, Russia does not face such an energy for a very long time. Solar panels for a private house, at current prices for electric energy, will not pay off for a period compatible with the life of a private house and its inhabitants. And the prices for this energy, with existing salaries, will not be raised by anyone. Wind energy ... "wind reserves" are located in areas where no one lives, and pull cables from there ... So we are essentially in a winning position. Let Europe and the United States try, but we'll see.
  16. Alien From
    Alien From 11 September 2019 14: 21 New
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    Respect to the author!
  17. bar
    bar 11 September 2019 22: 35 New
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    Quote: dgonni
    And when, from mid-2020, the states will begin mass supply of their LNG to the European market ...

    Generally, the US is a net importer of natural gas. And by 2020, at best, they will be able to provide their own gas with their own needs. What will happen next with their shale revolution is not yet known. It is only known that there is a lot of harm to that ecology from it. As if instead of exporting natural gas, they would not switch to the import of drinking water in exchange for their own poisoned chyme, which is used for fracturing.
  18. wooja
    wooja 14 September 2019 18: 18 New
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    ecology and economics are the same words, I agree with the author, especially since modern green energy is more a political and banking business than production ....
  19. Mainbeam
    Mainbeam 14 September 2019 19: 20 New
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    I agree in many ways.

    If we talk about "green" youngsters, then paid reckless everywhere is enough. And if you raise the issue of stock / oversupply of energy - also a good problem. Plus, the instability and unpredictability of "green" energy (of course, not everywhere, but "everywhere" is not on every corner).

    In general, the head should be friends.

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