The Netherlands requested the extradition of Vladimir Zemakh from Russia, - European media

The Dutch investigators in the case of the crash of the Malaysian Boeing urgently needed Vladimir Tsemakh, previously called by the Ukrainian side a "valuable witness." An appropriate request for his extradition was sent by the Netherlands Prosecutor General. About this newspaper Algemeen Dagblad.

According to the publication, the basis for issuing Zemakh to the Netherlands is its "value as a witness to the crash of an airplane over the Donbass." Dutch investigators are confident that he commanded the self-proclaimed DPR militia’s anti-aircraft militia unit and had a hand in getting rid of the Buk missile launcher, which allegedly shot down a Malaysian Boeing.

Currently, the Prosecutor General has asked Russia to extradite the suspect (Zemakh) in the MH17 case

- leads the Dutch television channel NOS part of the message.

Earlier it was reported that the Prosecutor General of the Netherlands strongly opposed the participation of Vladimir Zemah in the exchange of held persons between Ukraine and Russia. According to the Dutch, the transfer of Zemakh to Russia will lead to a loss of access to a "valuable witness". According to a representative of the International Investigation Team in the Netherlands, in order to question Zemakh in the plane crash case, his presence in Ukraine is necessary, since in the case of his transfer to Russia, such an opportunity "is unlikely to present itself."

Meanwhile, Ukrainian authorities reported earlier that Dutch investigators had time to question Zemakh in the case of a downed plane. For this, Kiev even delayed the exchange of prisoners.

The government deeply regrets that Tsemakh, under pressure from the Russian Federation, has become part of this exchange, which means that he is currently in Russia

- said the Minister for Foreign Affairs of the Netherlands Steph Block.

Earlier, the SBU, who had stolen Zemakh from the territory of the DPR, said that he, allegedly being the "air defense commander" in the city of Snezhnoye DPR, would become a "valuable witness" in the case of the crash of the Malaysian Boeing. In turn, the DPR accused Kiev of taking a hostage in order to further falsify the evidence in the crash case.

Note that Vladimir Tzemakh, at the request of Moscow, was included in the list for the exchange of held persons and is currently located in Russia.

Addition.

At about noon on 8 September, the Russian embassy in the Netherlands denied information about the alleged request for the extradition of Zemakh. RIA News cites a statement by the representative of the diplomatic mission:

There were no appeals from the Dutch side on this issue to the embassy

It turns out that the European press disseminated information that is not true.

Comments

[Spartanez300]

All communication in Russia and then at the request of Zemakh. We decided to determine from one dungeon to another, let it not be dill.

[svp67]

Quote: Spartanez300

All communication in Russia and then at the request of Zemakh.

I agree. One thing, he is not a citizen of the Russian Federation ... And there may be some problems.

[Spartanez300]

I doubt that there will be a problem with Russian citizenship for Zemakh, GDP is worth moving a finger.

[svp67]

Quote: Spartanez300

I doubt that there will be a problem with Russian citizenship for Zemakh, GDP is worth moving a finger.

Yes, yes ... Doubts arise here.
And also there is a certain MYSTERY, why there are only 12 Russian citizens among the people who arrived to us, why didn’t they take all the Russians from Ukrainian prisons?

[Spartanez300]

One can only guess what guided compiling lists of people for the exchange. Let us hope that this exchange is not the last, as well as the work of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in this direction will be continued and all of ours will be returned to their homeland.

[krot]

Didn't the Dutch interrogate witness Tsemakh? What else do they want from him? Or do they want to apply the favorite methods of "free Europeans" - torture and blackmail? To change the readings?

[cniza]

They do not know what to do and the move Russia must make which will finally finish them.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Spartanez300

One can only guess what guided compiling lists of people for the exchange.

This was already described in detail by one of the prisoners in Ukraine, how in Ukraine these very deceptive exchange lists for the Russian Federation are compiled.

The captured Russian told about the scheme of deceiving Ukrainians with the exchange, saying that: "Their side will certainly try to fool ours."

People are released in Ukraine - and then they are arrested again. And these people again find themselves on the wanted list and in the Ukrainian dungeon - and with the condition aggravating their guilt by circumstance. And they will forever drop out of any exchange lists.
It’s in detail about this - how it is being cleverly done by the Ukrainian authorities, which is why prisoners are even forced to refuse to be included in these lists for exchange, they have already written in the Russian media.

Apparently, the same Ukrainian scheme will work with Vladimir Tzemakh with an attempt to imprison him again.

[Tatyana]

The Netherlands requested the extradition of Vladimir Zemakh from Russia

There is no need for the Russian Federation to follow in the wake of the Dutch pro-Ukrainian, pro-Amenikan investigative scammers!
Do not give tsemakh from Russia to the Netherlands!
And the investigation of the MN-17 catastrophe itself has long been high time, independently of the Netherlands, the USA and Ukraine, to carry out - with evidence of the investigative SCAM of the Netherlands themselves - in Russia itself and to declare guilty persons for conducting a fraudulent investigation of the Netherlands.

[sabakina]

Quote: cniza

They do not know what to do and the move Russia must make which will finally finish them.

When you don’t know what to do, do nothing. It will resolve itself.

[cniza]

Good wish for the adversaries.

[210ox]

I wish them a classic .. "From a dead donkey ears .." "Defective" © ...

[energoteknolog]

can you tell me this move, sofa?

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: cniza

They don’t know what to do ..

The Russian Federation has got a real chance to sit this sharashkin office of "investigators" at the table and talk in detail, with the facts, and here for journalists there is an unplowed field for work

[lukewarm]

Hello))). There have already been so many things about Boeing, including "landings at the table" and independent investigations and field experiments with shelling of the cockpit and traces of striking elements. Then they suddenly found some Su-25 technician who had seen and heard something about the Boeing attack by an attack aircraft ... HZ, hz ... In my opinion, the Russian position on this issue is also very inconsistent. Know the reason - stay on one. And then: Beech, but old, therefore not ours. Oh, no, they shot down Sushka ... But what's the difference, it's not us anyway. Here is the position. And everything will be like with the South Korean Boeing in 83rd. Nobody will know anything. The RF will be to blame, appointed. We will sluggishly break off. They will remember this dirt only by dates and less and less.

[Pete mitchell]

[quote = reluctant] According to Boeing, there were already so many things ... [quote] I agree with you that the position of the Russian Federation was presented as something "blurred", therefore in the information environment no one really heard about the opinion of the Russian Federation. The Dutch polls believe the information presented, but when you tell them about the actions of the Russian Air Transport Agency, Almaz Antey, etc., they make big eyes - but we did not hear. I would like to believe that having seated these 'investigators' at the table, there is a good chance to competently "unscrew the magic step" and play your game. The situation when the country is being kicked by all and sundry, but it is only 'breaking off' is tiresome, to say the least.
As for KAL007, the situation is the same: there are a lot of materials, but the official position is 'blurry' - Osipovich told us everything in colors and paints. The Poles have already managed to shoot a movie on the Smolensk catastrophe - and the little-sick people massively believe.
In a word, to your stand your ground, I would add and hit the backhand

[lukewarm]

There is also a wonderful investigation film on KAL007, shot, IMHO, by a Frenchman. It turns out that not only this KAL007 was shot down that night, but also the EF-111 (electronic warfare aircraft) and in general there was a rehearsal of the attack and a whole "anti-aircraft" battle. And ours shot down everyone they needed. KAL007 was filled much further south. In general, a lot of things that I personally like to believe in What has been said now has only such a relation to the topic that the "blurred" position of the SSR-Russia is our corporate identity. I don’t know what carrots and whips they used to crush our diplomacy then, but now it’s not surprising at all. When for the overwhelming part of the "elite" certain manifestations of sovereignty are just annoying inconveniences. And the diplomatic corps is rotten, like everything, with rare exceptions that prove the rules. Exceptions are Karlov and Churkin.

[Pete mitchell]

I judge the events with KAL007 from the words of Osipovich, I happened to hear his story. And the rest of the Russian Federation acts like a bear - condescendingly. The problem is that the flock of jackals has grown

[Dietmar]

No not like this. Let the Netherlands come by itself, if it really suits her.

[Den717]

Quote: unwillingly

Know the reason - stand on one.

The reason can be known by the one who brought the means of observation and fixation to the scene and at the time of the incident. You see, about whom I ... Our position can support some version, or several versions, because we are not members of the investigative group and use information from the media and other sources, sometimes without access to materials collected by the investigative group. Therefore, our people say that the recognition of the results of the group’s work is possible only about full access to materials and participation in its work. This means that we do not know the materials of the case. Your indignation at the position of the official authorities of the Russian Federation on this case is baseless and childishly naive. After all, the investigation process is quite complicated, and without all the completeness of information it is not easy to have a tough point of view on the case. According to Tsemakh, most likely, to start the conversation, our prosecutor's office will require good reason, and then he will say that Tsemakh is not a citizen of the Russian Federation and our jurisdiction does not apply to him. And he himself will be advised to change his last name, settle in a house in the village, have a cow and fish somewhere near Ryazan or Krasnodon.

[artifact]

Quote: krot

Didn't the Dutch interrogate witness Tsemakh? What else do they want from him? Or do they want to apply the favorite methods of "free Europeans" - torture and blackmail? To change the readings?

the calculation is completely different. Naturally, Russia will not give anyone away, and Zemakh is not needed by the Dutch (if there was a valuable witness - dill would have passed it for a long time), but the reason to accuse Russia of unwillingness to help the investigation along with other unsubstantiated and delusional accusations is very worthless ...

[alex007i]

the calculation is completely different. Naturally, Russia will not give anyone away, and Zemakh is not needed by the Dutch (if there was a valuable witness - dill would have passed it for a long time), but the reason to accuse Russia of unwillingness to help the investigation along with other unsubstantiated and delusional accusations is very worthless ...

Stop-hit hit.

[annavladova9]

You are not disgusted to discuss this Boeing with the nieders who have been drinking on their own rights, because the United States and Britain still have a lot of money, they hate nieders, if only because they bought New York from them, like we bought Alaska, it is not disgusting to dig into the poop that they give you, petty, useless, when so many Russian children were killed by Ukrainian-British-American children who are still shaking hands? And no need to say that this is big politics and it has always been and will always be, I recommend reading the Chinese, for two years now they have been periodically overwhelmed by the topic of how they will fight the United States for the right to push through a profitable "receiver" (with an antenna in the head) after Putin. It was then that all those who were not planted from the NATO bloc openly killing Slavic children, then they will really be heroes of all the Paralympics and their descendants too, but alas, this will work again against Russia. Further quote:
"I read on the thematic Chinese forum (there are a lot of propaganda, but smart things are lying around, for 1,2 billion stupid Chinese there are somewhere three hundred million smart, that is, more people than in the Russian Federation), in short, in a nutshell about Donbass:" Shooter is a patriot RF, he was recruited by British intelligence in revenge for Northern Ireland under the flag of Russian intelligence, then the British and Americans put pressure on the Kiev authorities with the NSA compromising material and green cards with political asylum and ordered the vile NATO to shoot children in the Donbass in the backs of the heads, in parallel to everyone recruited under a false flag and Those who think that they are plowing for the Russian intelligence service to the patriots of Donbass, the same British ordered, as if on behalf of the GDP, to make a new Novorossiya-Little Russia, he is a historical reenactor. And it started. So Putin will most likely not take a piece of Ukraine with poison, slipped by British intelligence, "I made a translation from the Chinese conditional through Google translate with a general transmission of the main points." ...

[dauria]

but the reason to accuse Russia of not wanting to help the investigation

Well, return the ball to their half - "We will help with all our hearts, but present the materials of the investigation, we will study them, assess objectivity and issue a verdict ..."

[Votyak]

Right, present irrefutable evidence, otherwise no contact!

[Grits]

Quote: krot

Or do they want to apply the favorite methods of "free Europeans" - torture and blackmail?

You can advise the Dutch to apply their favorite European "methods" in relation to the dispatchers of Dnepropetrovsk. So let Ukraine demand the extradition of these valuable witnesses. They are much more "valuable" than Tsemakh. Unless, of course, those are no longer rotting somewhere on the banks of the Dnieper in the ravines.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Gritsa

... in relation to the dispatchers of Dnepropetrovsk ... If those, of course, no longer rot somewhere ....

There, one Ukrainian journalist cannot find them: the dispatcher managing the malasian, surprisingly went on vacation the next day and they were never seen again with her husband. "Civilized" methods in action

[Nick]

Quote: krot

Didn't the Dutch interrogate witness Tsemakh? What else do they want from him? Or do they want to apply the favorite methods of "free Europeans" - torture and blackmail? To change the readings?

The hole from the bagel, not Sharapova.

[Alexey-74]

Of course, those testimonies clearly do not suit them ....

[g1v2]

Do they have any? Maybe there were mostly criminals there that we don’t need in FIGs? Matios gave a brief reference on issued by US. In addition to Zemakh, Vyshinsky, two military personnel of woodpeckers with diplomas and Mefedov, interesting guys were exchanged there. One woman who was convicted of the blast of the colonel-executioner of the SBU in Mariupol. Further, the assistant is already the Prime Minister of Ukraine, who allegedly passed information to our intelligence. Plus a raider convicted of passing information to our intelligence services. And a few more small things, delayed for transmitting information to us or the militias.
In general, it seems that the Kremlin really wanted to thwart the provocation with Tsemakh, who was obviously not kidnapped so that he could sit in a pre-trial detention center for a couple of months. There were also losses when he was kidnapped by information from ukrov. Apparently, the provocation was being prepared from the west and the Dutch cry - because of this. Next, the Kremlin wanted to pull Vyshinsky. This is the only one they really wanted to pull out and made an effort to do so. Well, plus the Kremlin really wanted to get rid of the burden in the form of sailors and Sentsov. They were an annoying factor in negotiations with Europe. PM apparently seized the opportunity and got rid of them. Like from Hodor, Pusi Wright and Savchenko.
But the uporants who fought in Chechnya are really shitty. And worthless precedent. It gives various seams the hope that they too can be exchanged.

[Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.]

The "enthusiasts who fought in Chechnya" will, as it is now fashionable to say, "neutralize" and not try to detain them alive, that's all!

[Leonidych]

But the uporants who fought in Chechnya are really shitty. And worthless precedent. It gives various seams the hope that they too can be exchanged.
You know, I have such an assumption that they are no longer tenants in this world. Ukraine does not need them, this is their ballast, well, the Kadyrovtsy will try so that they do not live long. But this is my personal opinion.

[g1v2]

It is doubtful. Indeed, a whole battalion came for Isa Munaev from Chechnya to the Donbass. When he huddled near Chernukhino, everyone left for Chechnya. At the same time, the rest of the militants of the Chechen battalions (named after him Dzhokhar Dudaev and named after Sheikh Mansur) live quite well. I do not think that the Natsiks who have served and handed out will interest Kadyrovtsev. There are a lot of such in Ukraine. Moreover, there is Moseychuk, who shot at the camera on the portrait of Kadyrov quite alive. Which of course is wrong.

[svp67]

Quote: g1v2

Do they have any?

Is.

Quote: g1v2

In general, it seems that the Kremlin really wanted to foil the provocation with Zemakh, who was obviously not kidnapped so that he would sit a couple of months in jail.

Apparently, there were still a lot of problems being solved, since they had this exchange like that, and even at that time.

[monah]

I agree. And nowhere has it sounded that with the citizenship issued by Ukraine? Or when everything subsides in 90 days they will be deported to the next place to spend time? Does anyone have info?

[Ross_ulair]

For 5 years, it was possible to move fingers more often - how many people were deported ...

[venik]

Quote: Spartanez300

I doubt that there will be a problem with Russian citizenship for Zemakh, GDP is worth moving a finger.

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For a long time already "I moved! Citizens of the DPR and LPR are issued Russian passports without problems (according to the" simplified scheme "). I think Tsemakh already has it! (And if not, it will be so in the near future!).

[NF68]

Quote: Spartanez300

I doubt that there will be a problem with Russian citizenship for Zemakh, GDP is worth moving a finger.

GDP and a finger do not need to move.

[yuratanja1950]

Quote: svp67

I agree. One thing, he is not a citizen of the Russian Federation ... And there may be some problems.

But President Putin himself seems to have indicated that Russian citizenship should be granted to the residents of the LPR-DPR? ... In this case, Tsemakh can be quickly made a citizen of Russia (of course, by his personal request) ...

[astepanov]

Zemakh’s non-return will be used as an argument, allegedly confirming the involvement of the DPR in the death of the aircraft. It is necessary to agree - but with the condition: interrogation in Russia, in the presence of our lawyers, in order to observe the legality of the procedures and to ensure certified copies of the interrogation protocols. Let them rub off. They will immediately start screaming that this does not suit them.

[Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.]

It’s just that the interrogation doesn’t suit them, they want the extradition, which is what they will receive the desired rejection of.

[Ross_ulair]

"Donut hole for them, not Sharapov!" (from)

[venik]

Quote: Spartanez300

All communication in Russia and then at the request of Zemakh.

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Overclocked !!! Shchass !! Let's run to "give out" ... Just put on slippers !!!
The classic is remembered:

Ostap offered the boy an apple ... banana!!!

[sabakina]

Wai wai wai venik! You forgot about defectiveness!

[sanya_sergant]

Send them to a known address and the whole conversation

[lev1759]

There is no extradition from Don! (C)

[Sergey M. Karasev]

And why are we WITNESSES TO ISSUE ??? How long have it been customary to extradite witnesses under guard? Or I don’t chop a damn in jurisprudence, or let Holland first decide who Tzemach is: a witness or a suspect?

[NEXUS]

Hypocrisy of the 80 level. They dance on the bones of dead people.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: NEXUS

They dance on the bones of dead people.

Yes, constantly.
Is fake WWII not one of these? Yes, and a lot of examples of such

[Andrey Chistyakov]

Well, yes ... So they gave you ...

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Andrey Chistyakov

Well, yes ... So they gave you ...

[aszzz888]

An appropriate request for his extradition was sent by the Netherlands Prosecutor General.

Ofigeli from impunity! Or maybe the extra ration of "fool" was puffed out by traces from there .

Note that Vladimir Tzemakh, at the request of Moscow, was included in the list for the exchange of held persons and is currently located in Russia.

Yes, they have already shown on TV how prisoners arrived from the unnecessary. True, without a list public announcement.

[carstorm 11]

Kindergarten. they just gave it to us so as not to give it there. for apparently his testimonies generally do not fit with the Ukrainian version. but it was impossible to clean it stupidly now. you just need to make a crap with him and allow him to interrogate but with us. although such an option will not suit them, because they will not be able to display them stupidly on our territory.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: carstorm 11

. they just gave it to us so as not to give it there. for apparently his testimonies generally do not fit with the Ukrainian version.

And how then to understand it?

«He was interrogated and not only before returning (to Russia, - Red). We did everything that we were asked to do, it was very difficult, I was very afraid that because of this, the exchange could break off, ”the Ukrainian media quoted Zelensky as saying ....
Source: https://politpuzzle.ru/148582-zelenskij-soobshhil-o-doprose-tsennogo-svidetelya-po-delu-mh17-vladimira-tsemaha-niderlandami/?utm_source=politobzor.net

[New Year day]

Quote: carstorm 11

they just gave it to us so as not to give it there

Given the previous interrogation by Dutch investigators in Ukraine and the obligation given by Tsimakh to report to the investigator in Ukraine, there are 2 options:
1. The request is formal,
2. A request aimed at Russia’s refusal to extradite a Dutch citizen of Ukraine as evidence of Tsimakh’s participation in the launch of the rocket and Russia's guilt.
Now we have to wait for the reaction of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs

[Hagalaz]

Reasonably. Indeed, in what formulations will the answer be. Be my will, has long officially declared the Dutch court to be incompetent and deceitful. And on this basis they should not be extradited to anyone.

[sabakina]

Sylvester, that's it. You are reasoning correctly. But what to do with the fact that somewhere in the safe is his Russian passport? Well, I didn’t manage to get it, as I have rights in the exchange of rights ...

[New Year day]

Quote: sabakina

But what to do with the fact that somewhere in the safe is his Russian passport?

mention it no. It is still not clear that it is better that he was or was not

[Grits]

Quote: carstorm 11

you just need to make a crap with him and allow him to interrogate but with us.

All right. One can state publicly that Russia fully and with all three hands for an honest investigation. Therefore, we ask the Dutch investigators to come to Moscow for interrogation. In order to avoid torture practiced in Europe and Ukraine against those under investigation (yes, yes, just say that).
And yes, another condition - Dutch investigators will need to take a test for the presence of cannabis derivatives and other light drugs in the blood.

[Destiny]

Currently, the Prosecutor General has asked Russia to extradite the suspect (Zemakh) in the MH17 case
“There is no extradition from the Don”!

[rotmistr60]

The prosecutor general asked Russia to extradite the suspect

Russia has asked a lot of things from the Dutch commission for the investigation of the disaster and, first of all, to allow for participation in the investigation. AND? If you want to interrogate, come to Russia, but to give you a man who has been released from Ukraine in order to mock him in the Netherlands too, no.

[Amurets]

Quote: rotmistr60

If you want to interrogate, come to Russia,

They can prepare a hotel for them to choose: Lefortovo or Butyrku, and Malaysian investigators will interrogate them.

[sabakina]

Gene, I applaud while standing! For some reason I remembered one movie ....

[Zeev Zeev]

And why is the Netherlands asking for the extradition of a citizen of Ukraine from the Russian Federation?

[Avior]

Citizens are not issued from the territory of their country.
For the same reason, the Dutch do not ask for the extradition of Russians from Russia.

[New Year day]

Quote: Avior

Citizens are not issued from the territory of their country

The presence of Russian citizenship in Tsimakh was not covered anywhere. How can the Russian Federation not extradite a citizen of a foreign country?
If GDP made concessions to the EU (namely, they demanded the extradition of Sentsov and sailors), then the question is, what will it do in this case.
He will not give up the agreement with the EU in vain, can be regarded as a confession of his guilt, He will give a confession of his innocence and the absence of a blockade of the investigation by the Russian Federation. The dialogue process with the EU continues.
It is without emotion and pure logic. It’s not necessary to prove emotionally that GDP comes

[mikh-korsakov]

Sylvester! I have not heard about the existence of an agreement with the EU on Tsemakh. Based on the quality of the Boeing investigation, his presence in a Dutch prison is not necessary. The perpetrators have already been appointed - the rest - puffing out their cheeks and tying "directive bows". As for obtaining Russian citizenship, this will not be the case. Tomorrow. If only Tsemakh himself did not mind. but for some reason it seems to me that he will agree. Another thing is that then a man will not leave Russia, at least to Belarus. In addition, I think it is naive to believe that any concessions from the EU will lead to a weakening of sanctions. Immediately new demands will come - and so step by step - to return Crimea and pay indemnity

[New Year day]

Quote: mikh-korsakov

I have not heard of an agreement with the EU on Zemah.

What do you mean? what kind of arrangement?

[mikh-korsakov]

Sylvester! You wrote "Will not give up-- agreements with the EU in vain". I do not know about the agreements with the EU regarding the sailors and Sentsov. There were their demands, but I don’t know what they would offer in return. I also don’t know about any negotiations regarding Tsemakh.

[New Year day]

Quote: mikh-korsakov

I don’t know about agreements with the EU regarding sailors and Sentsov

understood the question, thanks for clarifying.
I meant the agreement between the EU and the Russian Federation in terms of lifting sanctions. The condition for this was: the release of Sentsov and sailors, the implementation of the Minsk agreements. As evidence of this, on the day of the exchange, the European Parliament called for the lifting of sanctions

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

And why is the Netherlands asking for the extradition of a citizen of Ukraine from the Russian Federation?

The thoughts of an addict are mysterious. Well, they smoke there, they smoke ...

[Nycomed]

There they also "expand" and "sniff" ...

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Nycomed

There they also "expand" and "sniff"

And whole blocks of women with low social responsibility

[mikh-korsakov]

Sergei! I had to go on excursions along this quarter in the company of German repatriates from Kazakhstan. It was curious to see the glances of the elderly husbands furtively on the windows where the ladies are sitting, and not only the ladies but also the young men! At the same time, the wives of the repatriates viciously pluck their husbands, such as where you look, old h.ren?

[Mountain shooter]

A completely useless flash of activity. Regarding Zemakh ... In vain they ... Trying to suck another fake from the finger. And the man was stolen in vain.

[Dmitry Potapov]

Once a witness, let them interrogate via Skype, the technique allows.

[New Year day]

Quote: Dmitry Potapov

Once a witness, let them interrogate via Skype,

Already interrogated in Kiev by the Dutch

[Dmitry Potapov]

It is about extradition, since it is interrogated why are they asked to extradite? Repeated interrogation via Skype!

[New Year day]

Quote: Dmitry Potapov

It is about extradition, since it is interrogated why are they asked to extradite?

court appeals have already been canceled?

[Valery Valery]

Again the Dutch got smoked ..

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Valery Valery

Again the Dutch got smoked ..

no, just played very subtly and it seems that the ears of the mattress stick out

[Grits]

Quote: Valery Valery

Again the Dutch got smoked ..

Yes, they just have not let go of them since 2014 ...

[Evil echo]

Next, the howl will rise that we are hiding the pier of "an important witness." The lack of common sense is no longer surprising.

[Avior]

It is clear that no one will give Zemakh to the Dutch, but the situation is such that they could not demand extradition from Ukraine, because the citizens of their country do not extradite, and formally they can, extradite, no one will clear the case, so the situation will take advantage for a new portion of charges, and even sanctions, against Russia that it slows down the investigation - Zemakh is formally not a defendant, but a witness.

[zache]

We must meet halfway and hand him over for interrogation, because he is not to blame and Russia is not involved in the downed Boeing. Will be interrogated and released!

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: zaches

Interrogated and released!

Are you serious or fooling around ?!

[zache]

Quite seriously, we need to show the whole world that we did not shoot down the Boeing.

[Barmaleyka]

do you really think that we can prove something? !!!!
Yes, even if there is a video that clearly shows the start of the beech by the Sumerian crew, there will be a written order about the need to bring down the plane signed by the pigs, it will all be considered unconvincing
the engine number has already been discarded, the calculation of the beech manufacturer was rejected, the radar data was simply thrown out
you or baby either wearing pink glasses

[monah]

Her, he just writes what they ordered, for the seed!

[Andrey Chistyakov]

Quote: zaches

We must meet halfway and hand him over for interrogation, because he is not to blame and Russia is not involved in the downed Boeing. Will be interrogated and released!

Yeah. "Scythian" gold is still given away. As "promised" ...

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Andrey Chistyakov

"Scythian" gold is still given away.

But who will give this back ?!
what will happen to sumeria tomorrow is not known, and so they will fade and be appropriated

[Grits]

Quote: zaches

We must meet halfway and hand him over for interrogation, because he is not to blame and Russia is not involved in the downed Boeing. Will be interrogated and released!

Subject to certain conditions.
1. If Zemach himself agrees to this procedure.
2. If one of the Dutch investigators as a hostage at this time will be in Russia. With a mirror attitude to his person.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Avior

from Ukraine they could not demand his extradition

I think that there would be no problem with the extradition from Ukraine, they just don’t need it in FIG, but for Russia now any solution is bad

[New Year day]

Quote: Barmaleyka

I think that there would be no problem with the extradition from Ukraine, they just don’t need it in FIG, but for Russia now any solution is bad

I think that this is exactly the logic of Holland. The ball is on the side of the Russian Federation.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Avior

and even sanctions against Russia

What's again?

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Avior

.. since the citizens of their country are not issued ..

I agree with everything except this phrase: during the time of the EBN, the employees of the Latvian prosecutor's office were allowed to withdraw the riot police from the territory of the Russian Federation - it's good that the country is already different. Another would be to learn how to quickly give in the teeth to those who, in the interests of amers, have enough Russian citizens around the world, so that without discussions and "regrets"

[usr01]

... never, ask anyone for anything. Especially those who are stronger than you ...

(C)
They are there, what ??? do not read books ?????

[whack]

Tsemakh found enough time in Ukraine to organize interrogations and other actions. The Europeans were silent. And now they squeak - "Give it back!" In any case, Tsemakh needs to live in the Russian Federation for some time.

[Barmaleyka]

and someone else will argue that this booth has no external director!
The Sumerians kidnapped Vladimir Tsemakh on June 30, 2 (TWO) months, the Hololans did not need him, but then he needed it right away.
simple calculation, no matter how Russia acted in this case, it will look bad, they will give it out, they won’t understand their own people, they don’t give it up, a "global" howl will start hiding a criminal terrorist

[New Year day]

Quote: Barmaleyka

2 (TWO) months, the Holans didn’t need him,

You missed that during this time he was already questioned, the issuance of his RF was an indispensable condition for GDP for the entire exchange, the Tsimakh family is available to the SBU, Tsimakh made an obligation to arrive in Kiev on demand.
So, just that, it means a lot of things and if it weren’t for the requirement of GDP, it would have sat.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Silvestr

You missed that during this time he was already questioned

by whom?!!!
why did Holan’s people not interrogate in these two months, why did you have to wait for his transfer to our side?

[New Year day]

Quote: Barmaleyka

by whom?!!!

Investigators from the Dutch Public Prosecutor's Office questioned Vladimir Zemakh, a suspect in the 17 MH2014 crash case in the Donbass, before being extradited to an exchange with Russia. It is reported by the Dutch edition of NOS.

According to the publication, the exchange was postponed precisely at the request of the Netherlands, in order to enable investigators to interrogate Zemach.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Silvestr

if not for the requirement of GDP, I would have sat.

Dmitry Anatolyevich, sorry did not recognize you

[Amateur]

Let them come to Russia and interrogate at least until they turn blue. Nobody forbade them to do this.

[andrei2911]

On Ukrainian sites, some thoughtful commentators, and not airborne commanders, immediately wrote that the Zemakh broadcast was a very subtle trick for Russia. Save face will now be difficult. To give out - the people will not understand. Do not give out - get another batch of howling and accusations from the West (they already go in essence). Actually zugzwang. And how to get out is not clear ...

[Andrey Chistyakov]

Quote: andrei2911

On Ukrainian sites, some thoughtful commentators, and not airborne commanders, immediately wrote that the Zemakh broadcast was a very subtle trick for Russia. Save face will now be difficult. To give out - the people will not understand. Do not give out - get another batch of howling and accusations from the West (they already go in essence). Actually zugzwang. And how to get out is not clear ...

A lot of things will be written on Ukrainian sites ... They have A. Babchenko livelier than all the living.

[Alex Nevs]

Yes, there is nothing subtle there. VNA 404 was not proved and given, it is necessary to feed.

[Victoria-V]

There are two ways out: 1. Stroke. 2. Infarction. No man - no problem.

[Disant]

Victoria-V, you are our victory! But I have long been offering along the perimeter of our vast country to bang a strip of tactical nuclear weapons, so as not to climb here)

[Maalkavianin]

Well, they are right. Anyway, the mere fact that ours took him in exchange suggests that Zemakh knows something, something valuable in the Boeing case. Otherwise, what for him changed.

[andrei2911]

Quote: Barmaleyka

and someone else will argue that this booth has no external director!
The Sumerians kidnapped Vladimir Tsemakh on June 30, 2 (TWO) months, the Hololans did not need him, but then he needed it right away.
simple calculation, no matter how Russia acted in this case, it will look bad, they will give it out, they won’t understand their own people, they don’t give it up, a "global" howl will start hiding a criminal terrorist

I don’t understand who is minus you. Absolutely logical arguments ...

[askort154]

The Dutch investigators in the case of the crash of the Malaysian Boeing urgently needed Vladimir Tsemakh,

The "investigation" of the Mn-17 disaster has dragged on, indecently long, because they cannot find "non-kill" evidence of the Russian Federation's involvement. Every year they make new stuffing - "fake guesses". Even the Malaysians understood this circus.
The CIA came up with a new move - the "Tsemakh case".
- stole, delivered to Holland, interrogated, released.
- allowed him to be exchanged so that he ended up on the territory of the Russian Federation.
Now they will spin a new round:
- Russia harbors and does not give out the "main witness". So she has something to hide.
The CIA has been regularly pulling the MH-5 case out of its pocket for over 17 years at the right time for the United States.

[Alex Nevs]

read above answered

[iouris]

Quote: askort154

cannot find "non-kill" evidence of the involvement of the Russian Federation

What kind of decorum is there? Milosevic was simply poisoned. Proofs that do not exist are not sought. They are just waiting for a corresponding change in the situation (when it will be possible to write off everything on the overthrown regime). Saddam Hussein was hanged because of a test tube. Gaddafi decided to pay off, he was exponentially tortured. The death of a passenger plane under such circumstances is a "black swan".

[andrei2911]

Quote: Andrey Chistyakov

Quote: andrei2911

On Ukrainian sites, some thoughtful commentators, and not airborne commanders, immediately wrote that the Zemakh broadcast was a very subtle trick for Russia. Save face will now be difficult. To give out - the people will not understand. Do not give out - get another batch of howling and accusations from the West (they already go in essence). Actually zugzwang. And how to get out is not clear ...

A lot of things will be written on Ukrainian sites ... They have A. Babchenko livelier than all the living.

And specifically on the situation, can you say something? How to deal with him now?

[Andrey Chistyakov]

Quote: andrei2911

Quote: Andrey Chistyakov

Quote: andrei2911

On Ukrainian sites, some thoughtful commentators, and not airborne commanders, immediately wrote that the Zemakh broadcast was a very subtle trick for Russia. Save face will now be difficult. To give out - the people will not understand. Do not give out - get another batch of howling and accusations from the West (they already go in essence). Actually zugzwang. And how to get out is not clear ...

A lot of things will be written on Ukrainian sites ... They have A. Babchenko livelier than all the living.

And specifically on the situation, can you say something? How to deal with him now?

Don't you know? You wrote about logic here ... So just think a little further. If Zemakh was not
Russia needs, why then changed? Do not write about "setting up" neighbors. Everyone can learn from the Russian Mead
and learn more.

[Amurets]

Quote: andrei2911

And specifically on the situation, can you say something? How to deal with him now?

How about Snowden. Lives in Russia and let him live, and for extradition demand strong "evidence" in the form of a complete result. investigations along with physical evidence and Ukrainian dispatchers

[Snigir]

And figs to them, not Zemakh.
It was not by chance that he ended up on the exchange lists (although he is not a Russian).
He will now press if he will say, then only what is needed

[Shuttle]

Honestly, it is absolutely surprising for me that Ukraine gave Zemakh.
If his testimony converged with the version of the Westerners, then giving it to us is stupid.
If his testimony indicated the APU as the culprit in the disaster, then all the more it would be more profitable for ukra to have a myocardial infarction.
The only option is when it is useless to both. Those. He could have commanded air defense, but the air defense, in principle, could not get that plane. And about the real reason, he simply does not know anything. And he was captured by ukrofashikami as a hostage for a future exchange. This option seems to me the most probable.

[New Year day]

Quote: Shuttle

I am absolutely surprised that Ukraine gave Zemakh.

I agree. But more than once the media insisted that without Zemakh exchange is impossible. The delay in exchange occurred precisely because of Zemach. We can say that Putin insisted on this. Why?

Quote: Shuttle

if his testimony converged with the version of the Westerners, then giving it to us is stupid.
If his testimony indicated the APU as the culprit in the disaster, then all the more it would be more profitable for ukra to have a myocardial infarction.

[K-50]

The Netherlands requested the extradition of Vladimir Zemakh from Russia

Break off !!!
Come to Russia and ask if it’s hunting, and export is prohibited!

[PalBor]

The donut hole is for you, not Volodya Sharapova ...

[cniza]

In turn, the DPR accused Kiev of taking a hostage in order to further falsify the evidence in the crash case.

Ukraine has driven itself into a dead end, but what am I talking about? ...

[Gardamir]

Partners must not be denied.

[APASUS]

It’s not Tzemakh’s interest in Ukraine that has ceased to be interested in, and the idea of ​​throwing the causes of the tragedy over to Russians is now not relevant in relations between the countries. It seems that Zeliboba will now begin to use this tragedy inside the country to put pressure on the former leadership to shut his mouth. Zeliboba is interested in absolute power for reforms that are so widely promoted by him. I won’t be surprised if now in Ukraine they will create a new commission to investigate the tragedy of MH-17

[Shuttle]

Quote: APASUS

It’s not Tzemakh’s interest in Ukraine that has ceased to be interested in, and the idea of ​​throwing the causes of the tragedy over to Russians is now not relevant in relations between the countries. It seems that Zeliboba will now begin to use this tragedy inside the country to put pressure on the former leadership to shut his mouth. Zeliboba is interested in absolute power for reforms that are so widely promoted by him. I won’t be surprised if now in Ukraine they will create a new commission to investigate the tragedy of MH-17

Zelibob is not interested in power or reform. He is not hired for this. He is interested in applause to leave the stage and live to see the reward.

[APASUS]

Quote: Shuttle

Zelibob is not interested in power or reform. He is not hired for this. He is interested in applause to leave the stage and live to see the reward.

Applause must still be earned, because Zeliboba does not want to fall under the "lustration", with the seizure of everything beyond his strength? So you have to do at least something. You see how the rating will rise now, there are new heroes in the country, a new order, and even Poroshenko tried to cling to him

[Rostislav Bely]

The extradition status is not clear - valuable witness or accused / suspect?
The evidence base for Buk is incomprehensible, the commander of Shilka in Afghanistan on the Khokhlyad Wikipedia
(it was put in support of columns (air defense) in the state, in fact they removed radar equipment for an additional set - it is effective for suppressing gun emplacements of spirits in battle conditions (attacking columns))
Maybe you should open a criminal case on falsification of data on the disaster MN-17 and request the extradition of Dutch investigators?

[Ros 56]

A lip-rolling machine is standing around the corner to the left. As you turn and before you run short. Well, idiots, these Dutch.

[evgen1221]

Give the person to us, otherwise we have no one to blame, so understand their whining ??? Oh well.

[Lord of the Sith]

It smacks of drug addiction, while Tsemakh was in Ukrainian captivity, no one even lifted a finger, and as in Russia, the brown substance began to boil.

[Jarserge]

Dutch investigators will soon become like British scientists nothing but laughter

[sabakina]

that he supposedly was "air defense commander"in the city of Snizhne DNR

Guys, I'm in laughter! Campaign, here it is necessary to quote all Maxim Perepelitsa! But in order not to anger the moderators, I will give only two.

[Aleksandr1977]

Issuance of a WITNESS ... It somehow sounds strange ... To issue it, you first need to delay it, but for what ??? He is a WITNESS and not an accused ... Or is it already enough in the EU to be a witness for detention / arrest ???

[chingachguc]

I wonder why the Dutch did not request Zemakh when he was in the hands of Ukraine ?? what prevented?

[Alex_You]

They asked and asked not to give out, but on the night before the exchange they talked with him.

[Alex_You]

I think he’ll go to the Veterok restaurant and don’t need to give anyone away.

[yfast]

And give out witnesses or suspects?

[Rwmos]

He is a witness, not an accused - you went to the forest. Come, take evidence in the presence of lawyers from the Russian Federation

[iouris]

Quote: RWMos

He is a witness, not an accused

Is he a witness of what? You need to interrogate with prejudice Kolomoisky, Poroshenko, Birch and the Dutch themselves. I'm not talking about the US intelligence agencies. This provocation was made on the assumption that the regime in Moscow would be overthrown before the completion of the investigation.

[ciujoilu]

Another thing is interesting, where the Dutch investigator was all the time when he was on the territory of Ukraine, then he wasn’t needed, plus, as I heard from the news, the Ukrainian side immediately offered the Dutch to be interrogated.

[NF68]

Is there any, even theoretical, impudence limit for Western countries?

[Yuri Mikhailovsky]

Again the rascal whistle of scoundrels from the "investigation"

[AKS-U]

It would be valuable, but from his eyes would not be bothered by the DNI.
It would be valuable, there was no talk of any exchange.
It would be valuable, the prosecutor's office of "cheese makers" would have spent the night in Kiiev long ago.
One boltology.

[Afghan1979]

Do the people of Kholland still think that they are the former sea power? On the street is not 18 but already 21 century. As VVP used to say, "you get the ears of a dead donkey." You know, they want to make a showy stand for gay citizens from a normal person. A wigwam from Russia to you.

[Retvizan 8]

They will receive ears from dead donkey, not Tsemakh!

[boriz]

Want is not harmful.
Since May, he has been sitting with the Ukrainians and, that is, the leaders did not rush to interrogate him. And now he caught fire. Horseradish all over the face. And then they’ll kill like Milosevic.

[saveall]

So for this he was suddenly changed, to now accuse Russia of not issuing a key witness. For the western layman, and so it goes, swallows it ...

[Dietmar]

Quote: Spartanez300

All communication in Russia and then at the request of Zemakh. We decided to determine from one dungeon to another, let it not be dill.

No not like this. Let the Netherlands come by itself, if it really suits her.

[Vkd dvk]

The access of the investigation IN THE TERRITORY OF RUSSIA for the questioning of Zemakh as a WITNESS to consider and put forward simultaneous requirements to provide access IN UKRAINE for the questioning of the air traffic controller who brought the plane under the shot of an air defense system.

[Pavel57]

The sailors were returned, now they will demand the return of the boats.

[Ttht]

“It turns out that the European press disseminated information that did not correspond to reality.”
You have to be surprised when they spread the truth at least once...)))

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Pavel57

The sailors were returned, now they will demand the return of the boats.

The concept of humanism does not apply to hardware.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: ciujoilu

Another thing is interesting, where the Dutch investigator was all the time when he was on the territory of Ukraine, then he wasn’t needed, plus, as I heard from the news, the Ukrainian side immediately offered the Dutch to be interrogated.

Yes, everything is very simple here. Tsemakh had such information that, if taken from him officially during the interrogation, you would have to rack your brains for a hundred years about where to hide it and not show it. Therefore, he was bypassed like hell when he was available. And that’s why they dumped him on us, so that, they say, he is now inaccessible and we should...... And the signatory who agreed to give him to Russia will be demonstratively beaten. In the press. And they took him out of their usual bewilderment. They wanted to put pressure on him and squeeze out a confession that, they say, Russia is to blame. Did not work out. Something that needed to be hidden away and not known about began to ooze out. Otherwise, it's a guillotine. Does the event itself say nothing?
However, this is understandable for legal specialists. THE WITNESS is being held in prison. He was qualified as a WITNESS. A WITNESS has no right to lie during interrogation. Under the article because... Perjury. 5 years. A SUSPECT has the right to lie. He is not punished here as a liar. It's his right. Old Soviet practice. They take you as a witness, give you 5 years for saying the wrong thing, and then reclassify you as a person under investigation. When information is pulled out of him.

[morgan_67]

"The European press disseminated information that did not correspond to reality." - or the Russian press is disseminating information that does not correspond to reality, who will check?

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: morgan_67

"The European press disseminated information that did not correspond to reality." - or the Russian press is disseminating information that does not correspond to reality, who will check?

If you can’t sleep and you’re so worried about it, then no one but you can check it yourself. Look for more. Get confirmation or refutation - continue searching.