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Two percent for young and large. Don't be late for your mortgage!

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Start giving birth at thirteen to be in time!


To be honest, I still cringe internally after hearing the expression "two percent." The reason is the former prime minister of the Russian government, Mikhail Kasyanov, nicknamed Misha Two Percent. Such was, according to rumors, his rate in making some decisions - two percent of the project. And since then, it’s worth somewhere to hear about these notorious “two percent”, I immediately see a certain “corruption component” ...




But this time, the excuse seems to be good. Let me remind you: Russian President Vladimir Putin during the Vladivostok Economic Forum announced a reduction in mortgage rates for the Far East. Now it will be equal to these very two percent, which will very, very make life easier for those who want to take a mortgage loan for housing in the Far East.

But let's immediately make a small clarification: this innovation will affect (meaningfully say “bye”) not all Far Easterners, but only “young families with many children” and those who participate in the “Far Eastern Hectare” program. And this dramatically changes the picture: instead of a very good, competent step, we get the usual economic initiative for us, castrated to almost a lethal state.

Why am I convinced that the train of thought itself is correct in this case? Well, it’s very simple: firstly, as a result of this initiative, thousands and thousands of Far Easterners would receive real and great relief, and secondly, the money invested in a mortgage would earn in the region itself, creating jobs there en masse, reviving economy, working to increase salaries and so on.

Regarding relief for citizens, only a few figures. At existing mortgage rates, switching to a two percent rate would lead to a decrease in monthly payments by ten to fifteen thousand rubles per month for loans from 2,5 to 3 million rubles. Agree, it sounds good even for families where both spouses have a normal job with a good and timely payment. In addition, this, in principle, would be a good way to invest money: at an inflation rate of 4%, a rate half as low would lead to an actual reduction in the cost of housing for citizens, taking into account the entire payment cycle, by very serious amounts.

In principle, all this remains now, but in some miserable volume. As for the pluses for the economy as a whole, they, alas, with this approach tend to zero. The total number of mortgage loans issued in Primorye and the Khabarovsk Territory from January to July amounted to 7,7 and 6,3 thousand, respectively. According to this indicator, they are approximately at the level of not the richest regions of the central zone of Russia, but it must be borne in mind that in the Far East they are absolute and unconditional leaders, it is unlikely that all other regions and regions of the region taken together will bypass them. And frankly, this is too little to actively stimulate the region’s economy.

It seems not a gift. Many are willing to pay


Reducing the mortgage rate to two percent could, possibly, significantly increase the demand for mortgages in the Far East. With all the possibilities arising from this, which are mentioned above. And you need to keep in mind that this would not be a pure gift to the population - nevertheless, the borrowers would pay the bulk of the loan over time themselves. That is, this is a great way to attract private citizens' investments into the economy, and directly, without various instruments such as deposits, securities, and so on. The state, constantly complaining about the lack of investment, seems to be happy to seize on such a prospect, especially since it is fully consistent with the policies pursued in the Far East.

Alas, a much more cautious option has been chosen so far, in which our precious "stabilization funds" will not suffer. Perhaps this is really only a temporary measure, for the period of accumulation of information and a more detailed study of the entire program. But we all know that in Russia there is nothing more permanent than temporary. And from this knowledge it becomes a little alarming ...

Frankly, I do not have statistics on how many “young large families” are in the Far East. According to personal feeling - not enough. At first I wanted to say that they were not there, but suddenly I remembered about my neighbors from sunny Central Asia. Settled in my porch about three years ago - calm, quiet, outwardly quite pretty. They had no children at that time. But now the oldest one is already running around with her small backpack around her mother, her brother is sitting on the arms of her mother with an important look, and one more, until it is clear who will get out of her mother’s belly soon.



Children do not seem to speak Russian. Yes, and from my mother I have not yet heard a coherent Russian speech. And although I strongly wish them good health, the insidious question still revolves in my language: “Vladimir Vladimirovich, is this your new program, is it for these guys? Will they strengthen our presence in the Far East? Or for whom? Who fits the definition of "young large family", you can find out? ”

Do not rush - you make people laugh ...


No, I understand: expensive. Nevertheless, I would venture to argue with this, because the country has accumulated a lot of money. Moreover, this is beneficial, since construction, like no other industry, is tied to the national economy. We may have weak positions on some types of construction equipment and finishing materials, but otherwise everything is done with us, even if it is under foreign licenses or by foreign companies. By investing billions or even tens of billions of dollars in a mortgage, we will simultaneously attract hundreds of billions from citizens and companies, which can guarantee Russia a good economic leap.

Therefore, one must be careful, but how? That's right: first, carefully, slowly, start the program in the Far East, but for all its residents. Then, after a couple of years maximum, include Siberia in the program. And after another year or two, extend it to all of Russia.

This will be a cautious, but more or less adequate option ...

And what is happening now is a bit like the desire to buy a breeding bull, and castrate it so that it does not misbehave. Then we will have a breeding bull and patriarchal peace on our collective farm. True, the cow herd will not improve, but who cares about such trifles, right?

Perhaps someone will point out that Putin’s announced mortgage subsidy program will directly affect those who received a plot in the Far East under the Far Eastern Hectare program. There, they say, as many as 70 of thousands of sites were dismantled, now the immigrants will deploy!

This is true, but I’ll tell you a secret: the number of people who “staked out” their land and the number of people who actually moved to the Far East differ so much that you can’t really count on this program. Therefore, I will not even discuss the degree of their participation in the new mortgage lending program.

I’ll simply note: the idea voiced by the president is very good in itself. Still a little courage in its implementation, and she would not have a price. But for now, unfortunately, the mood is more skeptical.
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  1. Svarog
    Svarog 10 September 2019 15: 06 New
    +11
    All of us, like in a fire, have no development program .. 2% mortgage is good, but why not all over the country? Half measures are continuous.
    1. Ravil_Asnafovich
      Ravil_Asnafovich 10 September 2019 15: 17 New
      +24
      Half measures are continuous. In my opinion, in general, no measures.
      1. Destiny
        Destiny 10 September 2019 16: 06 New
        +2
        My grandson was almost flattered by these notorious "two percent", so well the average bro returned from the "north" and explained everything popularly. He’s the smartest of us, he and his wife categorically listen to me and his elder and don’t listen like .. wink
    2. Greg Miller
      Greg Miller 10 September 2019 17: 00 New
      +4
      That’s interesting, but on the Kunashir Island you can get a “Far Eastern” hectare ???
      1. Yngvar
        Yngvar 10 September 2019 17: 46 New
        +6
        Aren't you Shinzo Abe?
        1. Greg Miller
          Greg Miller 10 September 2019 18: 20 New
          +3
          And what, on Kunashir, only this hectare is laid to him ???
          1. Yngvar
            Yngvar 10 September 2019 18: 25 New
            +9
            No, just nobody was interested in him except you ...
    3. xax
      xax 10 September 2019 20: 28 New
      +4
      Quote: Svarog
      Everything is on fire

      Yes, no, all right.
      Problems with the rating on the eve of important events, such as elections, or after the implementation of unpopular measures, are predicted in advance and at the right time, information is thrown about something good that should happen in order to align the rating at the right time. Elections are passing (or something like that). Dale imitates the realization of the promised good (either in an extremely truncated version, or everything is turned inside out so that such a “good” makes it even worse) - this business is being properly covered by the media - the rating is growing - profit!
    4. Cat man null
      Cat man null 10 September 2019 20: 50 New
      -6
      Quote: Svarog
      All of us, as if on fire, have no development program ...

      Are you talking about a house that you cannot finish building for ten years?

      Self-critical, to someone wink
    5. DPN
      DPN 10 September 2019 23: 53 New
      +9
      The whole Far East and the whole of Russia can’t rush to Moscow across the country, yet they want to live a human life, not just Muscovites.
      1. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara 11 September 2019 10: 33 New
        +1
        Quote: DPN
        The whole Far East and the whole of Russia can’t rush to Moscow across the country, yet they want to live a human life, not just Muscovites.

        This is the problem that only Muscovites live humanly with us
  2. Gardamir
    Gardamir 10 September 2019 15: 11 New
    +3
    But this time, the excuse seems to be good
    And what good is this occasion ,? That two percent less will be to tear?
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 10 September 2019 15: 18 New
      +26
      At the end of 2018, Medvedev promised to make a mortgage for the construction of a private house, where is this mortgage? Again, the promises are safely forgotten .. and this year would have been. Do you know why it is forgotten ... because it is not profitable for the capitalists that people would build their houses. Building your own house will cost less than buying an apartment, there you have to pay less for a communal apartment, and your garden will be an order of magnitude .. Imagine how much damage a cell of society will suffer if it has the opportunity to build its own house.
      1. _Sergei_
        _Sergei_ 10 September 2019 15: 53 New
        +1
        The mortgage works, as promised, to build a wooden house. If you buy components in the company that manufactures these houses.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 10 September 2019 15: 57 New
          +8
          Quote: _Sergey_
          The mortgage works, as promised, to build a wooden house. If you buy components in the company that manufactures these houses.

          It was not a question of frame houses, but of houses of any material .. and this is not a mortgage, but a loan .. and this is also upward cynicism, someone from the government lobbied for the possibility of obtaining a loan for their own production.
          1. _Sergei_
            _Sergei_ 10 September 2019 20: 01 New
            +3
            It was about wooden houses, not frame houses. My friend took it from a profiled beam. In May he took it, and now it is finishing it.
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 10 September 2019 20: 35 New
          +3
          Quote: _Sergey_
          If you buy components in the company that manufactures these houses.

          I wonder what is the price of components compared to competitors? I guess that is higher
          1. _Sergei_
            _Sergei_ 11 September 2019 05: 40 New
            +2
            I did not meet competitors. I know only one company. A full house with an attic 10x10 costs about 800 thousand rubles.
      2. The comment was deleted.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 10 September 2019 16: 29 New
          +5
          Quote: kiril90
          Pay less for a communal apartment in your house - oh well.

          It depends on where you buy land, if it is a cottage village, then it won’t work out less, it will be the same, and if the status is a village or just a village, then the significant savings are given below by way of example.
          Quote: kiril90
          Plus, in your home you always need to do something, repair, it turns out more expensive than in an apartment.

          Just like in the apartment. it all depends on the materials that you use in the construction .. But the savings on a communal apartment, somewhere around 600 tons in 10 years, this is more than enough to update the house.
          1. _Sergei_
            _Sergei_ 10 September 2019 20: 04 New
            +2
            I have a house of 140sq.m. I pay for electricity, water, garbage, telephone and Internet 3000 rubles. I live in a city. The city has a small population of 140 thousand, Altai Territory. I take out 4t coal for the winter for 3500r.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 10 September 2019 20: 13 New
              +3
              Quote: _Sergey_
              I have a house of 140sq.m. I pay for electricity, water, garbage collection, telephone and Internet 3000 rubles

              If gas would have been cheaper, I didn’t count on the Internet and water, my well provides significant savings .. But even so, it’s still cheaper than living in an apartment of 50 square meters and paying 5-6 thousand per month ..
              1. _Sergei_
                _Sergei_ 10 September 2019 20: 18 New
                +3
                We have bad water from the well. Not even everyone watered her garden. But the gas has not yet reached us. The governor was changed and now they are pulling gas. Until they reach, yes, the city will make a denouement 10 years will pass.
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 10 September 2019 20: 36 New
                  +2
                  Quote: _Sergey_
                  The governor was changed and now they are pulling gas. Until they reach, yes, the city will make a denouement 10 years will pass.

                  now it is necessary that the governor does not change
      3. Shrek
        Shrek 10 September 2019 16: 09 New
        +12
        Here you are, like, an adult, and so holyly believe in fairy tales!

        In 2007, in Tyva (Shoigu's homeland) from Moscow, they promised to build the first railway in the republic and even solemnly laid the foundation stone of the railway station and the symbolic first link of the Kyzyl-Kuragino railway. 12 years have passed, every year they promise to begin construction from the Kremlin.

      4. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 10 September 2019 16: 26 New
        +3
        The communal apartment in your own house below, no doubt. Only here the cost of its maintenance is much higher than the maintenance of the apartment. Repair of the same roof, fence, well or well cleaning. All at his own expense. Your garden? Doubtful dignity, an amateur, so to speak. Pros: you live in your own land, not in a man-made room, there are no problems with parking. But without hands from the right place in your home there is nothing to do.
        1. region58
          region58 10 September 2019 20: 39 New
          0
          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          Repair of the same roof, fence, well or well cleaning.

          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          But without hands from the right place in your home there is nothing to do.

          If you do all of the above with your own hands (it is better with assistants, of course - there are things that alone cannot be done), then nothing happens to yourself. Again, then there is no one to make claims - he did. yes
          PS Of course, years take their toll ... Many lonely aged people are ready to change their house for an apartment ...
      5. your1970
        your1970 11 September 2019 10: 02 New
        0
        Quote: Svarog
        Building (!!!!) your own house will cost less (!!!!) than buying an apartment (!!!), there you need to pay less for a communal apartment (!!!), and an order of magnitude (!!!) will be yours garden..
        -too shy to ask
        1) have you built at least one house ??? that is, you are aware that only communications (gas / light / water) can gobble up about 300-500 000 (in different regions) ??? are you aware that brick walls of a house up to 100 meters will cost by 700 minimum in a more or less decent place? Are you aware that land can cost from 000 per plot, depending on the location and the availability of roads? That a banal roof from a banal profiled sheet can stretch from 100?
        for 2 million you can buy a luxurious 3-shku apartment in a million-plus city - and a house for this money can be built only from "and sticks" © folk
        2) communal "factor of"(!!!)-What is it like? I have a house of 98m2 - I pay for it in the winter in the region of 3,5 thousand (with gas). By your logic, then for my apartment (56m2) I have to pay times less, i.e. 350 rubles? Do you understand that this is nonsense? There is a difference in the communal apartment and it is about 20-30-50%, but not "at times"
        3) og, garden .... apparently the youth have the strength and desire to plow in their garden after work, yeah ....
        In addition, the water supplied by the meter for irrigation, for example, makes a difference in the price of a grown up with a store - no more than 50%. I sometimes think - "Well, he’s the garden to demons !!!! koryachitsya there for three buckets of tomatoes .. .. "

        Z.Y. tie carry a blizzard about benefits of living at home compared to apartments.
        In apartments they are talking about a major overhaul of 250 rubles - I would have looked at these healers, if they had been offered roof repairs they would be thrown off 100 from the nose - as I did when I had to change the roof ....
        1. Alf
          Alf 11 September 2019 18: 29 New
          0
          Quote: your1970
          for 2 million you can buy a luxurious 3-shku apartment in a million-plus city

          In Samara, a treshka-Khrushchevka for less than 2,7 lemons, you can not even try to look, but more or less in high-rises, even 77-1 series, from 3,2.
        2. ak747
          ak747 13 September 2019 07: 55 New
          0
          Rybinsk is much less than a million (188 thousand people,
          and in 1991 there were 252 thousand). So, for two million you can buy a three-ruble note only in the Khrushchev, early Brezhnevka or in the old post-war two-story building. Moreover, a round sum will then have to be invested in this apartment.
          New buildings? For two million you and kopeck piece can hardly be bought - with an area of ​​a little more than khrushchka and without decoration.
    2. astepanov
      astepanov 10 September 2019 18: 10 New
      +7
      Not two, but seven, or even eight percent. And in the end, this will result in the fact that the payment will be reduced by almost half. Rather, it could spill over. Now, payments are more than two to three times more than the loan taken. And one more thing: predatory, one of the most expensive in the world, our mortgage seems to be specially invented in order to exacerbate the demographic problem. The family sometimes gives out more than half of the income - what kind of children are there, if you need to live in poverty for twenty years ...
      1. your1970
        your1970 11 September 2019 19: 35 New
        0
        Quote: astepanov
        The family sometimes gives out more than half of the income - what kind of children are there, if you need to live in poverty for twenty years ...

        Parents gave birth to my mother and aunt, living in a dugout after the war. They were able to build a house (adobe) in 10 years. The house had a hall and a kitchen, the total area of ​​40 meters. From it, then the grandfather made a cellar
        And yes, then poverty was worse than today, in the postwar years ...
        So it’s not that anyone who wants children gives birth to them, and whoever wants to go to the south / a new car / to the club, he whines about poverty and there’s not enough money for children
        The lack of money didn’t stop the grandfather from the war, who was commanded from the war with a broken leg and not a working hand, .... gave birth and raised and became people ...
  3. balunn
    balunn 10 September 2019 15: 24 New
    +6
    Strange decision:
    1 at the inflation rate of 7-8% per annum declared, what will the bank earn on what?
    2 If Sberbank gets involved, it will require subsidies, and the subsidies will come from state revenues, i.e. from our taxes
    3 For the people to go there, there must be infrastructure and jobs. And if this is not there, then what's the point of going there?
    1. goose
      goose 10 September 2019 17: 34 New
      +5
      Quote: balunn
      What would people go there, there must be infrastructure

      This is a key point. When hospitals, schools, universities, theaters and transport are cut around, who will live. The state does not fulfill its obligations at the Far East to create infrastructure.
      This alone is enough for people to scatter for any money.
      Well, salaries and taxes to the local budget ... when all enterprises pay taxes in Cyprus or Moscow, the local budgets are poor, which means no social and development, the area turns into Muhosk.
    2. astepanov
      astepanov 10 September 2019 18: 14 New
      +5
      The bank will finance housing construction. The rate of return in housing construction is much more than 7%. And the volume of construction will increase. now the bank and at the construction site profits, and at the mortgage: twice he cuts the chicken.
  4. FRoman1984
    FRoman1984 10 September 2019 15: 30 New
    +5
    The initiative is right, but belated and insufficient ... you need something else.
    Apparently, the Far Eastern hectare also does not help much.
  5. Loess
    Loess 10 September 2019 15: 31 New
    0
    Children do not seem to speak Russian. Yes, and from my mother I have not yet heard a coherent Russian speech. And although I strongly wish them good health, the insidious question still revolves in my language: “Vladimir Vladimirovich, is this your new program, is it for these guys? Will they strengthen our presence in the Far East? Or for whom? Who fits the definition of "young large family", you can find out? ”
    And I, on top of everything else, are interested in another question: why do "guests from sunny Asia" perfectly create large families in the existing conditions and only something always bothers us?
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      1. Yngvar
        Yngvar 10 September 2019 17: 54 New
        +9
        The main difference in terms of families with many children from Central Asia and Russians is as follows: Russians first think how and what to feed their children and only then give birth, and Asians give birth first, and then think how to feed them ...
      2. Shrekk
        Shrekk 10 September 2019 18: 05 New
        +1
        Children of "guests from Asia" are assimilating perfectly in Russia. I know many of those who speak Russian without an accent. With good upbringing and respect for elders (you can write that only to your elders. In general, with respect to age). So, regardless of the fact that someone will now spew hatred of Asians, we have to put up with this ...
        By the way, in Uzbekistan the population growth in comparison with 1991 is 30%. And a demographic catastrophe does not threaten them, unlike us.
        1. snake
          snake 11 September 2019 12: 00 New
          +2
          Quote: ShrekK
          So, regardless of the fact that someone will now spew hatred of Asians, we have to put up with this ...

          It’s a pity that there are few passionaries among our people, but many passive ones ... Putin has simplified obtaining the citizenship of “compatriots” born to the USSR to the maximum. Soon the demographic crisis in Russia will recover ... But at what cost?

          How did the fairy-tale blurted out his next “pearl”: Why do we need such a world if Russia does not exist in it? And what kind of Russia would this be without Russians? Permanent used to solve everything palliatively with money. Like tribute to Chechnya. But the roots of poor demography in the Russian population are much deeper, and not only in the financial sphere.
          1. Shrekk
            Shrekk 11 September 2019 17: 56 New
            0
            Quote: serpent
            But at what cost?

            I doubt that the price will be high. There are now 100 million Russians in Russia. Asian friends (from all the former republics) who have settled here, even with a big stretch, can make up 10 million. Children born in Russia will already have the Russian mentality, grandchildren will be "almost" indigenous "Russians. And on a historical scale, this will not affect the nation much, because finding a purebred Russian in Russia for a long time is the same as finding a needle in a stack ...
            1. Alf
              Alf 11 September 2019 18: 32 New
              0
              Quote: ShrekK
              Children born in Russia will already have a Russian mentality, grandchildren will already be “almost indigenous” Russians.

              They will never be Russians. Since childhood, the concept of "diaspora" has been driven into their heads.
              1. Shrekk
                Shrekk 12 September 2019 09: 47 New
                0
                I will not argue. Time will tell
            2. snake
              snake 11 September 2019 23: 02 New
              +2
              Quote: ShrekK
              on a historical scale, this will not greatly affect the nation,

              All clear with you...
              Immunological tolerance is a state of the body in which the immune system stably perceives a foreign antigen as its own and does not respond to it.

              (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Immunological Tolerance)

              Here is how it was in Kosovo, for example:

              Quote: ShrekK
              Asian friends (from all the former republics) who settle here, even at a stretch, will make up 10 million.

              Do not forget the Caucasus. How do Caucasians relate to Russians, and what demography do they have, I think you don’t need to tell and show?
              Quote: ShrekK
              because it has long been to find a purebred Russian in Russia, it’s the same as finding a needle in a stack ...

              Here is the Wikipedia article. For the general, so to speak, development ...
              (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropology_Russian)
              1. Shrekk
                Shrekk 12 September 2019 10: 04 New
                -1
                Quote: serpent
                Do not forget the Caucasus. How do Caucasians relate to Russians, and what demography do they have, I think you don’t need to tell and show?

                And what about the Caucasus? How many of them are Caucasians? And what does it have to do with Russian? If you allow yourself to be so treated that you do not like, then these are your problems.
                What is their demography? Well done that breed.
                You should take an example from them, give birth to children, and not read the fucking Wikipedia and whine about poor demography.
                Am I clearly explaining?
                1. snake
                  snake 12 September 2019 11: 06 New
                  +1
                  Quote: ShrekK
                  How many of them are Caucasians?

                  Five million. Not yet.
                  Quote: ShrekK
                  And what does it have to do with Russian?

                  Despite the fact that they do not respect Russian, and in the Russian Federation the gingerbread international world that you imagine does not work out.
                  Quote: ShrekK
                  If you allow yourself to be so treated that you do not like, then these are your problems.

                  What am I, even the policemen can’t say a word across them. These are Russians in our country all “chauvinists”, and Caucasians “good guys with their own traditions”.
                  Quote: ShrekK
                  rather than read the fucking wikipedia

                  Why did Wikipedia not please you? Didn't like the article on tolerance?
                  Look, how Dagestanis molested a Dagestan girl, because she got into a car with a Russian guy. They hold Russians for second-class people, and you continue to build on a surprised face like: what is the Caucasus like? and what's wrong with 10 million Asians?
                  1. Shrekk
                    Shrekk 12 September 2019 11: 30 New
                    -2
                    If you are a coward, then you and your guys will not be respected. If you yourself consider yourself second-rate, then these are your personal problems.
                    My daughter has a Chechen best friend, a girl from a large family. And I'm glad about that. They don’t smoke, don’t drink, they don’t rummage along the porches with the boys. But the neighboring girls at midnight today in the courtyard were yelling at the drunken song, the neighbors called the police outfit to calm them down.
                    This is how young people ruin themselves since childhood, and then we wonder why they are born or cannot give birth at all.
                    Another example: in the courtyard on the sports ground, mainly Caucasians and Asians are engaged, and our Russians are sitting around on benches and a beer-maker, or even pour vodka. Guess who is more likely to get the police outfit?
                    I do not idealize those who come in large numbers, among them there are also enough moral freaks, but to write off all the problems on them is also not true.
                    1. snake
                      snake 12 September 2019 12: 49 New
                      +1
                      Quote: ShrekK
                      If you are a coward, then you and your guys will not be respected.

                      It's not about cowardice. The fact is that for the same crimes with the Caucasians, for some reason, they are softer. For some reason they are nicer to the authorities.
                      Quote: ShrekK
                      In the courtyard on the sports ground, mainly Caucasians and Asians are engaged, and our Russians are sitting around on benches and a beer-maker, or even pour vodka.

                      That's it. Therefore, the prospects for the Russians are far from bright. And therefore you should not write such nonsense here:
                      Quote: ShrekK
                      And on a historical scale, this will not greatly affect the nation,


                      Quote: ShrekK
                      My daughter has a Chechen best friend,

                      In the 90s Chechnya, the Chechens also had friends with some of the Russians there ...
                      Quote: ShrekK
                      but to write off all the problems on them is also not true.

                      And who is cheating? I'm not sure.
                      1. Shrekk
                        Shrekk 12 September 2019 13: 19 New
                        0
                        Quote: serpent
                        Therefore, the prospects for the Russians are far from bright. And therefore you should not write such nonsense here:

                        Nonsense, it’s that 10 million people will be able to “reformat” 100 million and very soon we won’t hear the bells ringing, but we will read the prayer 5 times a day.
                        How many Russia was under the Tatar-Mongols?
                        And what, have we all turned into Mongoloids?
                        For some reason, the descendants of Batu in Russia (if you consider the Tatars and the like) are still only 5.5 million.
                      2. snake
                        snake 12 September 2019 22: 31 New
                        0
                        Quote: ShrekK
                        Bullshit is that 10 million people will be able to "reformat" 100 million.

                        And who says "format"? When 100 million die out and 10 million breed, then soon 100 will become the 10th, and 10, respectively, the 100th.
                        Quote: ShrekK
                        How many Russia was under the Tatar-Mongols?

                        Do not confuse the fifth point with your finger. The Mongols had nothing at all (in comparison with the inhabitants of the Russian principalities) - 30 thousand if I am not mistaken. And they didn’t settle in Russian cities with their wives and children, and they didn’t even reach some cities, such as Novgorod and Bryansk. And one more thing: they were an alien element, and not “Tozhero-Russians”; demography among Russians was at a level quite acceptable for those years; there was a strong idea (Orthodoxy and rebuff to the Basurmans). And in order to spoil the Russian girl, the Mongol had to take her prisoner, breaking through the squad of the prince and relatives of this girl. This is where Natasha’s are, who themselves jump to Ashots.
                        Okay, I’ve gotten loose with you. It’s not an hour, I’ll say something about the article. We have the 282nd article - “Russian”. Although if you go, for example, in Moscow, into the first police department that you find, then the militia is looking for them on the stand ... all in all, gangster faces without nationality, because crime has no nationality.
                        Good luck, Alexander. With your worldview, it will not bother you. Although for all of us sinners, luck will not be superfluous either.
              2. Alf
                Alf 12 September 2019 19: 51 New
                +1
                Quote: ShrekK
                If you allow yourself to be so treated that you do not like, then these are your problems.

                282 Article of the Criminal Code, remember, and see how it is applied.
                1. Shrekk
                  Shrekk 13 September 2019 09: 32 New
                  0
                  Well, how is it applied?
  6. Antares
    Antares 10 September 2019 21: 49 New
    +5
    Quote: Less
    why do "guests from sunny Asia" perfectly create large families in existing conditions and only something always bothers us?

    families from countries with "Traditional Education + Religion" where a woman is poorly educated and does not occupy a place in the economy, highly paid work, masters, highly intellectual work against an urbanized Russian family, where a woman is highly educated (there are more than 90 +% of such Russians), she even works in the economy do career growth?
    It is logical to imagine that there is no time for a Russian woman and why not make many children! She is too smart and busy for this (this is not bad for the economy, but bad for the nation if the melting pot does not work)
  7. IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 14 September 2019 00: 45 New
    0
    Quote: Less
    And I, on top of everything else, are interested in another question: why do "guests from sunny Asia" perfectly create large families in the existing conditions and only something always bothers us?

    Because they still have largely feudal social consciousness and the same economy. But statistics show that with the development of capitalist relations and the growth of wealth almost everywhere in the world there is a process of declining birth rates.
  • Professor
    Professor 10 September 2019 15: 32 New
    +15
    I did not understand one thing. The loan rate is determined by the bank based on the current market value of the loan. The government or the president may wish as much as they want the rate to be, but the bank will not work at a loss. Accordingly, who will cover the bank losses? Government from the budget? Then why all this circus? Give money to borrowers directly without a bank or (well then a scoop) give free housing.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 10 September 2019 15: 37 New
      +5
      Quote: Professor
      Give money to borrowers directly without a bank or (well then a scoop) give free housing.

      Israel sex would move back laughing
      1. Professor
        Professor 10 September 2019 15: 42 New
        +7
        Quote: Svarog
        Quote: Professor
        Give money to borrowers directly without a bank or (well then a scoop) give free housing.

        Back gender ИIsrael would have moved laughing

        Yah? I have a mortgage at 0.9% per annum ...
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 10 September 2019 15: 43 New
          +3
          Quote: Professor
          Yah? I have a mortgage at 0.9% per annum ...

          And here is free housing - you must agree that the difference is substantial .. laughing
          1. Professor
            Professor 10 September 2019 21: 40 New
            +1
            Quote: Svarog
            Quote: Professor
            Yah? I have a mortgage at 0.9% per annum ...

            And here is free housing - you must agree that the difference is substantial .. laughing

            Not "here", but in Israel, free housing for those in need. Something like this.

            Quote: Cat Man Null
            This money is directly tied to a cheap loan that a bank gives to a borrower.

            Commercial Bank. Fabulous at what?

            Quote: Cat Man Null
            If "without a bank" - you still have to create something to serve all these cases.

            For example, the Ministry of Construction or the Ministry of Social Security or whatever they call you.

            Everything has already been invented.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 10 September 2019 21: 43 New
              +1
              Quote: Professor
              Not "here", but in Israel, free housing for those in need. Something like this.

              Seriously? In Israel, give free housing? And who can claim it, how is it determined that a person really needs?
              1. Professor
                Professor 11 September 2019 08: 13 New
                +4
                Quote: Svarog
                Seriously? In Israel, give free housing?

                Yeah. Such is the bestial grin of capitalism.

                Quote: Svarog
                And who can claim it, how is it determined that a person really needs?

                https://pravo.israelinfo.co.il/articles/ned/2860?print
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 11 September 2019 08: 26 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Professor
                  Yeah. Such is the bestial grin of capitalism.

                  Yes .. well done you certainly .. Although there aren’t enough such apartments, but those who didn’t have enough are compensated .. Indeed, Israel is a socially oriented state, unlike Russia .. As long as there are grabbers at the helm in Russia, you don’t have to wait for anything good ..
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 11 September 2019 08: 30 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Svarog
                    Quote: Professor
                    Give money to borrowers directly without a bank or (well then a scoop) give free housing.

                    Israel sex would move back laughing

                    As you see, the floor of Israel is not torn to you. There is no such threat.
                    1. Svarog
                      Svarog 11 September 2019 14: 15 New
                      -2
                      Quote: Professor
                      As you see, the floor of Israel is not torn to you. There is no such threat.

                      Yes, it was a joke .. a little familiar with the income of the Israelis, we are still very far from you
            2. Cat man null
              Cat man null 10 September 2019 21: 56 New
              -2
              Quote: Professor
              Commercial Bank. Fabulous at what?

              Credit for 80% (conditional) state. And knit yarn, I do not like.

              Quote: Professor
              For example, the Ministry of Construction or the Ministry of Social Security or whatever they call you. Everything has been invented

              My dear, none of the organizations listed by you is engaged in the repayment of money for terminated loan agreements. For example.

              Past, my friend ... thick, thick, Oleg negative
    2. polar fox
      polar fox 10 September 2019 15: 42 New
      +4
      Quote: Professor
      Then why all this circus? Give money to borrowers directly without a bank or (well then a scoop) give free housing.

      how then to steal?
    3. Karabin
      Karabin 10 September 2019 17: 08 New
      +8
      Quote: Professor
      Then why all this circus?

      Our guarantor rating is cracking at the seams. So he decided to show paternal care. The real result is near zero, but in the zombie week they fluttered about an unprecedented breakthrough.
    4. Igor V
      Igor V 10 September 2019 17: 27 New
      +3
      Quote: Professor
      I did not understand one thing. The loan rate is determined by the bank based on the current market value of the loan.

      It is with you. We determine the Central Bank of the Russian Federation. Those banks that give loans with a lower interest, lose their license and cease to exist. And no president can do anything here, since the Central Bank of the Russian Federation is independent of the Russian Federation. Therefore, such strange statements: it seems to be good, but in fact - see the article.
    5. goose
      goose 10 September 2019 17: 52 New
      0
      Quote: Professor
      The loan rate is determined by the bank based on the current market value of the loan.

      Yeah, the Central Bank gives our money to banks at 7,5% per annum (on what grounds), and the banks add an additional 2,5-6,5% to top up, simultaneously multiplying this by the normative virtual capital multiplier, giving this amount N (from 1 to 4, especially greyhounds - dozens of times, for which they are punished) times on credit to users.
      I don’t see any reason to give the Central Bank loans to banks at%> 0, and if this happens, then this% should belong to the citizens of the Russian Federation, like oil.
    6. Alf
      Alf 10 September 2019 19: 10 New
      +3
      Quote: Professor
      Give money to borrowers directly without a bank

      Is the term “curdinomics” familiar? What is the main idea? All services are only through the bank, through a percentage.
    7. New Year day
      New Year day 10 September 2019 20: 38 New
      +3
      Quote: Professor
      who will cover the bank losses? Government from the budget? Then why all this circus? Give money to borrowers directly without a bank or (well then a scoop) give free housing.

      it is logical
    8. Cat man null
      Cat man null 10 September 2019 20: 46 New
      -2
      Quote: Professor
      Give money to borrowers directly without a bank

      This money is directly tied to a cheap loan that a bank gives to a borrower.

      Suddenly the contract with the bank was suddenly terminated - the money (surcharge from the state) should return to the treasury. In the case of transferring compensation from the state to the bank, the bank will do this. If "without a bank" - you still have to create something to serve all these cases.

      Very thick, even for you, Oleg negative
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    1. Loess
      Loess 10 September 2019 15: 41 New
      -1
      Quote: Evgesha
      Give families aged parents up to 23 flying !!!

      This is where you found this, if not secret?
      The preferential program will be launched this year for five years. It will spread to the primary market and individual housing for recipients of the “Far Eastern hectare”. Earlier on the launch of a mortgage with a preferential rate of 2% for young families in which the age of both spouses has not reached 35 years, as well as for participants in the “Far Eastern hectare” program,

    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 10 September 2019 16: 33 New
      -1
      google a young family program. read from me a bunch of friends so took the apartment. what have three of them. regional city and federal. subsidizing is very beneficial. there are a lot of factors if a family without children then 30 percent of the cost is paid if with children then 35. plus when lending in savings there is also a smaller percentage.
      https://ohome.ru/regions-list_pages-27.html
  • yehat
    yehat 10 September 2019 15: 49 New
    +1
    Quote: Svarog
    Do you know why it is forgotten ... because it is not profitable for the capitalists that people would build their houses. Building your own home will cost less than buying an apartment, there you need to pay less for a communal apartment, and there will be your own garden by an order of magnitude ..

    naive reasoning
    in a warm climate, a house can live on its own
    but in St. Petersburg or Novosibirsk or Krasnoyarsk winter -30 easily.
    and in such conditions you would like to have some kind of connection with the general supply systems - to build everything yourself is not cheap. And it already stands for content and land next to civilization costs more.
    and you also need to have transport access, etc.
    in general, the maintenance of the house is not at all cheaper, and besides, with new taxes for each toilet it can be much more expensive. Another question about the status of the land under the house.
    Yes, your home is definitely better, but not a few difficulties are associated with this. And the authorities will not miss the opportunity to cut the maximum with such a fat feed base
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 10 September 2019 16: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: yehat
      naive reasoning

      I’m building my own house, not yet completed, but already 75% completed, that's why you are in vain reasoning and my climate is not warm.
      Quote: yehat
      Yes, your home is definitely better, but not a few difficulties are associated with this. And the authorities will not miss the opportunity to cut the maximum with such a fat feed base

      Together with the land that I bought 13 years ago, the construction of a wooden house from logs cost me 3 rubles. still need 600 ml. to call in and live, 000 acres of land, a garage of 1,5 sq.m with a cellar and a house of 25 sq.m. It turns out 80. Now compare with the apartment by dividing the sq.m by the price and it becomes obvious that the house is much cheaper. As for utilities, my friend lives in a house of 200 sq.m, pays for gas in the winter of 5 rubles, (the coldest month) an average of 100 rubles a year for gas. that is 000 p. per month. Garbage collection 140 Rui. water has its own well .. Here is the "communal" is 1500 rubles. And I pay for an apartment of 6000 in the summer and 500 in the winter. The difference is 600 rubles per month, per year 1100 tons of rubles, in 4500 years 6000 rubles. And if you add a garden, etc., then the savings are significant.
      1. goose
        goose 10 September 2019 17: 56 New
        +1
        Quote: Svarog
        if you add a garden, etc., then the savings are significant.

        BUT ... good work should be accessible in an acceptable time, there should be clinics, kindergartens and schools, and this state does not guarantee us, because infrastructure is not provided. The connection of electricity and gas is not always the same everywhere possible for normal money, but sometimes it is simply impossible.
      2. region58
        region58 10 September 2019 20: 52 New
        0
        Quote: Svarog
        Garbage collection 600 Rui

        Nekhilo ... Or the family is big - a lot of people are registered ...
      3. tarragon
        tarragon 10 September 2019 22: 01 New
        +1
        The average life of a gas boiler is 10 years. It will cost forty thousand, so the calculation will have to be adjusted. And then there are pumps in wells that are not eternal, membranes in expansion tanks, check valves on pumps, and much more.
  • Dimas84
    Dimas84 10 September 2019 15: 54 New
    +11
    If you live in the Khabarovsk Territory, you are no more than 35 years old and you had your 01.01.2019nd and subsequent children born after 2/5/20, then, miracle! -You can apply for a mortgage as much as XNUMX%! But at the same time, you must make an initial contribution of XNUMX% of the cost of housing, citizens can take a mortgage only in the primary market, villagers - in the triple or purchase a property with a plot
    In short, there is a catch and cheap populism all around, like with a two-hectare.
    --------
    Misha 2% laughing I immediately remembered Pelevinsky character Zhor Srakandayev, nicknamed Donkey 7 cents.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 10 September 2019 20: 22 New
      +2
      Quote: Dimas84
      remembered Pelevinsky character Zhora Srakandaeva nicknamed Donkey 7 cents.

      Pelevin hinted at one publisher who paid a fee in 7 cents.
  • apro
    apro 10 September 2019 16: 14 New
    +1
    I recalled the initiative 10 years ago with recycling ... when they promised 50 rubles when buying a domestic car. I asked about the price then ... in general, the price of a Lada increased by 100 rubles for two months while waiting in line and refused to buy with understanding. 7 cost 160 became 170 ...
    Now it seems that the same scheme will be ..
  • Sniper
    Sniper 10 September 2019 16: 20 New
    +1
    I hesitate to ask .. why only the Far East ??
    1. yehat
      yehat 10 September 2019 17: 27 New
      +9
      because there the roasted cock didn’t just peck, but already burrowed a hole in the ass.
      but soon the question will concern all territories further 500 km from the Urals.
      People are unbearably hard to live, cut off from a bunch of goods, with high prices, unemployment and a difficult climate. A simple example - how much does it cost to get a higher education, living, for example, in Ussuriysk? And how much does it cost a Muscovite who lives half an hour from Moscow State University? With an average salary of about 25 tr for the Urals, in order to just save up for a trip for admission (renting housing, tickets, etc.), you need to work for about a year.
      And so in many ways - what for torment? People are running away from it!
  • yehat
    yehat 10 September 2019 16: 42 New
    +4
    Quote: Svarog
    Together with the land that I bought 13 years ago, the construction of a wooden house from logs cost me 3 rubles. still need 600 ml. to call in and live, 000 acres of land, a garage of 1,5 sq.m with a cellar and a house of 25 sq.m. It turns out 80 200 5

    I plan to build differently. log in the furnace - I do not know how to care for a piece of wood
    with a tree is cheap at the beginning, but a lot of problems later.
    the presence of gas is a moot point. I believe it is justified only when heating large, poorly insulated areas, for example, greenhouses or houses with verandas and an area of ​​200+
    I will build a foam block. Approximate alignment at 150m. such a house - a plot (at least 8-10 acres) from 0.700 to 1 million, put the house itself about 4.5 m + finish 1.5, plus a connection to electricity and water supply about 0.5 m plus build a sewage and waste recycling system, roughly speaking, from 45 tons. R. (normal, not anything horrible) plus a fence and other expenses. it turns out the smallest 6.5 million for everything.
    expenses - water supply, electricity, payments to the fund of the local settlement, garbage, taxes, more transportation costs.
    if you build a minimalist house, you can keep within 1.5 million.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 10 September 2019 17: 05 New
      +2
      Quote: yehat
      I plan to build differently. log in the furnace - I do not know how to care for a piece of wood
      with a tree is cheap at the beginning, but a lot of problems later.

      The log will indeed be more casual material, but there are much more advantages in it than minuses ..
      Beauty, environmental friendliness, low price, thermoregulation .. (in summer, air conditioning is not needed) and interior decoration is not necessary, which again is a price.
      Cons - the need to renew impregnation from the outside every 7-10 years, requires shrinkage (time).
      Quote: yehat
      gas availability is a moot point

      The presence of gas is a huge advantage. Cheaper there is no heating.

      Quote: yehat
      I will build a foam block.

      Quickly erected, not expensive .. but not environmentally friendly, requires interior decoration, and fixing something to the wall is a problem ..))
      It turns out the smallest 6.5 million for everything.

      I’ve been building for a long time, and prices for stri materials are growing at 18-24% annually. It took me 8 years to build .. and I still haven’t finished building .. But the most expensive thing in the house is the roof and foundation ..

      Quote: yehat
      expenses - water supply, electricity, payments to the fund of the local settlement, garbage, taxes, more transportation costs.

      I did not make any payments to the fund of the local settlement. Local organizers collected for the church, but once gave not a lot of money and that's it.
      If it is possible to drill your well .. and everything else is not very expensive, our electricity is almost 40% cheaper than in the city, water supply, sewage, I did everything myself, it’s not difficult and not expensive ..
      Good luck in this difficult matter, if you yourself will do most of the work, it's not easy)) But it’s interesting) I have a neighbor, I built three houses for myself in 84 years of life .. so he says that every year, everything better suited to this process, of course experience is needed here hi
    2. _Sergei_
      _Sergei_ 10 September 2019 20: 13 New
      0
      With gas it is easier, no need to remove slag. And, with modern automation, it is like central heating, you do not need to look at it.
  • BAI
    BAI 10 September 2019 16: 55 New
    0
    this innovation will affect (meaningfully say “bye”) not all

    Well, that is obvious. Everything is always small and not enough at all.
  • Umalta
    Umalta 10 September 2019 17: 12 New
    +6
    Put money in a bank at 2% per annum and take the same amount at 2% and then you will understand that there is nothing more powerful in the world than a compound percentage !! And why take a mortgage in a depressed region where the whole industry was killed ?! Where to work ?!
    1. Alf
      Alf 10 September 2019 19: 14 New
      +1
      Quote: Umalta
      Where to work ?!

      So from the top and say, grow your business ..
  • yehat
    yehat 10 September 2019 17: 14 New
    +3
    Quote: Svarog

    Quote: yehat
    I will build a foam block.
    Quickly erected, not expensive .. but not environmentally friendly, requires interior decoration, and fixing something to the wall is a problem ..))

    there is still unsaid - foam block is built very quickly. You can manage to build and finish during the season. This simplifies the circuit. when you change an apartment for a house, not everyone has free millions.
    attachment - yes, it is, but you just need to take into account and do not forget to put the power elements - the same logs, for example, but I want reinforced concrete. Insulate the floor .... can also be tricky.
    for example, save and build a tape base, and put foam glass on the floor.
    In general, I understand these tricks, but not in the tree. Therefore, I’m building this
    Of the weaknesses of foam blocks, I also note that you can not save on external wall protection, otherwise the atmosphere will eat.
    But if you build it correctly, you do not need to save on heating - the house is very warm, requires little maintenance.
    air conditioning - I'm going to make my passive forced ventilation system through a type of vacuum pump through a vertical pipe. It is easily regulated, works from the fan (in calm) or wind. do similar in fitness centers.
  • yehat
    yehat 10 September 2019 17: 20 New
    +1
    Quote: Svarog
    Good luck in this difficult matter, if you yourself will do most of the work, then this is not easy)) But it’s interesting)

    I don’t have time to learn a bunch of skills. Yes, it’s insanely interesting to build - I understood this when I was finishing my apartment, but time is also important. When I decide to build a lot myself I just don’t have time to do and study for a long time. Therefore, I thought that about 2/3 of the work is better to hire those who ate the dog, and to make money by hiring that I can do well.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 10 September 2019 18: 06 New
      +2
      Quote: yehat
      Therefore, I thought that about 2/3 of the work is better to hire those who ate the dog, and to make money on hiring by the fact that I am good at it.

      Before hiring, thoroughly understand yourself, otherwise those who ate the dog on this will be stripped to the skin laughing A friend was being built near me, he hired a team, they built a house for him, they also made a log and a roof .. So he gave only 1,4 ml for work .. and I hired a person who understands this and built with him, installing a log house with a roof for my work, it turned out 650 tr, while it was done more and more qualitatively, since the whole process was controlled .. Of course, it took time, but I just remained unemployed and was engaged in construction, for everything it took three months .. it was the two of us, they raised the log house and the roof ..
  • Kamiran
    Kamiran 10 September 2019 17: 28 New
    +5
    A program to replace the population quickly and with many Asian families giving birth.
    I live in St. Petersburg, where I do not spit - the former residents of Khabarovsk, Vladik and Yakutia. It looks like an evacuation.
  • yehat
    yehat 10 September 2019 18: 04 New
    +3
    Quote: Kamiran
    A program to replace the population quickly and with many Asian families giving birth.
    I live in St. Petersburg, where I do not spit - the former residents of Khabarovsk, Vladik and Yakutia. Looks like an evacuation

    half of the population has already left my hometown; mostly pensioners remain.
    This evacuation is from complete poverty, because then there’s simply no money left for the move.
    But as the well-known Gaidar said? Well, let them die 15 million, they do not fit into the market.
    That's what people are running from!
  • yehat
    yehat 10 September 2019 18: 09 New
    +2
    Quote: Svarog
    Before hiring, thoroughly understand yourself, otherwise those who ate the dog on this will be stripped to the skin

    I graduated from the construction academy. I have no illusions about the fact that I understand, I will definitely communicate with an experienced foreman, but in general I understand the whole process myself.
    and I plan to switch to construction on a 4-hour working day. So it turns out to control everything. I will not have a log cabin. The work of the team specializing in foam concrete is about 0.5 million per month. During this time they will have time to make most of the house.
    the most difficult thing is to coordinate all the Wishlist, all the work. You can put it yourself - it’s not difficult, but there are nuances that cannot be done well without skills.
    e.g. windows, ceilings, stairs.
  • Mihail2019
    Mihail2019 10 September 2019 18: 21 New
    +5
    The ideas voiced by the guarantor always look good in the "Messages".
    And as for the practical implementation - my dear mother !!! It would be better not to start !!
    As a result of subsidizing a mortgage loan of 6% or more by the state, there is a wonderful condition - "housing only from a legal entity and only primary housing".
    It seems that everything is fine, but in fact - stimulating monopoly developers, and not solving the problems of large families and other families.
    For the presence of a distinct “secondary” housing (for example, the family decided to “expand” already 10 years ago), it sharply “cuts down” the possibility for monopoly developers to have free state guarantees and “own” people mass.
    In short, everything is fine - we are a "capitalist" country, albeit a "socially oriented" ... :)
  • yehat
    yehat 10 September 2019 18: 31 New
    +3
    Quote: Michael2019
    and in fact - stimulating monopoly developers

    in addition, the percentage of the loan does not become less - the bank simply receives part of the state.
    but why the state cannot provide a direct loan without interest is not clear.
    in the USSR such a mechanism worked.
    1. Alf
      Alf 10 September 2019 19: 17 New
      +5
      Quote: yehat
      in the USSR such a mechanism worked.

      1. Alf
        Alf 10 September 2019 21: 01 New
        +2
        Hey, the minuser! Try, refute!
  • parusnik
    parusnik 10 September 2019 19: 15 New
    +4
    I’ll simply note: the idea voiced by the president is very good in itself.
    ... Our president is just gushing with good ideas ... If all his ideas are translated into fountains ... a fountain complex can be built ... smile
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 10 September 2019 20: 09 New
      +4
      Quote: parusnik
      If all his ideas are translated into fountains ... a fountain complex can be built ...

      As a rule, all his ideas either remain ideas or are not realized .. I can recall the material from the positive ideas that have been realized, and of course, as far as construction is concerned, he implements it with the help of his friends .. But 20 ml. slave. places and everything with the economy, it only remains ideas ..
  • New Year day
    New Year day 10 September 2019 20: 32 New
    +3
    ... the idea voiced by the president is in itself very good ...

    but
    ..the mood is more skeptical.

    patamushta ...
    "We wanted the best, but it turned out as always"
    "We continue to do what we have already done a lot" V.S. Chernomyrdin
  • Alex Nevs
    Alex Nevs 10 September 2019 20: 40 New
    +4
    It will not work. Passed by.
  • sagitch
    sagitch 10 September 2019 22: 02 New
    +4
    Yes, transfer the capital to Novosibirsk! So people will reach for the Urals and further ...
    1. vadimtt
      vadimtt 11 September 2019 06: 11 New
      +1
      Yeah, schazz. Here in Peter we can’t push it, and you are beyond the Urals hi
  • Ovod
    Ovod 11 September 2019 07: 46 New
    0
    I would like to see a decrease in the rate of refunding, to an acceptable percentage. Bank loans in production would be pulled for this. It is not possible to build a business without borrowing funds. In the meantime, happiness is only for speculators!
  • Amur
    Amur 11 September 2019 12: 10 New
    0
    Just words. The same thing happened with the TOPs (territories of advanced development) where they made privileges for some categories of users.
    PR and nothing more. Well, at least the return on income was not taken away by the noise.
  • DPN
    DPN 12 September 2019 22: 00 New
    0
    But in general it’s interesting for 2% on mortgages all Muscovites will rush to the Far East and who will believe in this miracle? Only we with YOU are true,
  • Shurale
    Shurale 24 September 2019 09: 04 New
    0
    People need to understand one simple weight, the system built by reformers for 30 years - Russia is a raw materials appendage. With such a system, the development of industry within the country is nonsense. Forget about the development of the country, improving the living conditions of the people and increasing their numbers. All the words of authority about this are FALSE. All steps taken in this direction are a dummy that ultimately yields no results. Over the past years there have been many such dummies, you all remember them. Under the existing system, Russia not only does not need educated people, it doesn’t need people in such numbers, since a lot of people don’t need to pump oil and carry timber, and Tajiks can do this well, and for much less money. So if you don’t want to die out like mammoths, you need to take the pitchfork and go change the course of the state yourself, those who are now in power will never change it themselves, you must understand this. And stop screaming that Putin must leave! Well, he will leave so what? There will be verutin, but the system will remain. Not Putin needs to be changed but the system. Changing the president can’t change the system;