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The SPG 2С5 "Hyacinth-S" crews worked out direct fire

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The tactics of group attacks by direct fire of self-propelled artillery 2С5 "Hyacinth-S" was developed during the artillery exercises of the combined arms army of the BBO. This was reported by the press service of the Ministry of Defense.


The SPG 2С5 "Hyacinth-S" crews worked out direct fire


Direct-fire multiple-shot shooting of self-propelled guns 2С5 Hyacinth-S was fired at the Trirechye training ground in the Amur Region during field artillery of the combined arms army of the BBO. The defeat of targets located at a distance of up to 2 kilometers from the positions of self-propelled guns was carried out in difficult weather conditions. As noted in the military department, one volley of self-propelled guns "Hyacinth-S" was enough to destroy an entire tank unit.

To destroy the conditional enemy’s tank unit, one salvo of several large-caliber guns was enough for the gunners. Also, the gunners fired a "sniper" single fire on several important tactical targets with HE shells

- said in a statement.

As explained in the Ministry of Defense, the tactics of group strikes are guaranteed to stop the attack on the breakout areas. The power of such attacks is not able to withstand any standing and arming and promising equipment.

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  1. abrakadabre
    abrakadabre 6 September 2019 13: 21
    +6
    It is scary to imagine the result of a direct hit of such a projectile in a tank.
    1. Zhan
      Zhan 6 September 2019 13: 27
      +10
      Quote: abrakadabre
      It is scary to imagine the result of a direct hit of such a projectile in a tank.

      hi
      Well, it's not for nothing that they call it "GENOCIDE" among themselves .. laughing
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 6 September 2019 13: 41
        +4
        Well, it's not for nothing that they call it "GENOCIDE" among themselves ..
        The worst is direct hit from 2C7 Peony.
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 6 September 2019 14: 00
          +1
          Quote: abrakadabre
          The worst is direct hit from 2C7 Peony.

          Nice such a flower
        2. Zhan
          Zhan 6 September 2019 14: 28
          -1
          Quote: abrakadabre
          Well, it's not for nothing that they call it "GENOCIDE" among themselves ..
          The worst is direct hit from 2C7 Peony.

          Well, there is a caliber of about 204 mm .... smile It will be so attached ... smile
        3. Lelik76
          Lelik76 6 September 2019 18: 00
          0
          From Peony, however, this is not possible, if only from above it flies right on target.
          1. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 7 September 2019 12: 08
            0
            From Peony, however, this is not possible, if only from above it flies right on target.
            I'm not special. It's just that the TTX says that "Angles VN, hail. - 0 ... + 60 °"And zero degrees of vertical guidance is direct fire. But, of course, in terms of guidance speed and other related things, such a shot is quite hypothetical.
        4. Alex Justice
          Alex Justice 7 September 2019 12: 01
          -1
          I thought direct fire was when a gunner looked at a barrel and aimed at a target.
          1. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 7 September 2019 12: 09
            0
            I thought direct fire was when a gunner looked at a barrel and aimed at a target.
            This is one way. The use of aiming strips, sights such as rear sight, etc. also give direct aiming.
          2. Alex Justice
            Alex Justice 7 September 2019 12: 13
            0
            The site administrator has forbidden you to leave comments on this site.

            Censorship?
          3. Lelik76
            Lelik76 7 September 2019 16: 07
            +1
            Direct fire is when you visually see a target from a gun. If you shoot for 15 km, what can be direct visibility? We fired for hills, located 1-2 km from the position.
            1. Alex Justice
              Alex Justice 7 September 2019 19: 06
              0
              I'm raised on films wink . They aim at the cannon when the team shoot direct fire.
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                1. Vanek
                  Vanek 9 September 2019 03: 47
                  0
                  Quote: Lelik76
                  without any happy ends.


                  But the tanks did not pass ...

                  Is this not a happy end?

                  request

                  hi
                  1. abrakadabre
                    abrakadabre 9 September 2019 09: 10
                    0
                    But the tanks did not pass ...

                    Is this not a happy end?
                    He is. Only in our Russian understanding. And not in the understanding of Western individualists. Happy end with tears in the eyes, not sex / kissing the gums under the applause of the crowd.
                2. abrakadabre
                  abrakadabre 9 September 2019 09: 08
                  0
                  Through the barrel when aiming it’s already ... dedec means it will come soon
                  Correction: this is when he does not come, but has already come and danced three times on the guns and crew - such as tearing off wheels / legs / half-barrels and all sights. And the main hero, as if from the last forces, is aiming the crippled weapon through the barrel. This is a condensed drama from filmmakers. The laws of the genre and the pursuit of entertainment.
                  1. Lelik76
                    Lelik76 9 September 2019 10: 58
                    +1
                    Soviet filmmakers could convey to people the whole tragedy of the Second World War, you can’t say anything, but remodelers are all with these sekas when your positions are already firing on this of course something.
      2. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 6 September 2019 13: 59
        0
        Quote: Zhan
        Well, it's not for nothing that they call it "GENOCIDE

        You can't imagine better good
    2. Errr
      Errr 6 September 2019 13: 44
      +3
      Quote: abrakadabre
      It is scary to imagine the result of a direct hit of such a projectile in a tank.
      Yes, it's okay, just tear off the tower, just business.))) It is better, as always, to watch a movie.)
    3. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
      SERGEY SERGEEVICS 6 September 2019 13: 55
      0
      Quote: abrakadabre
      It is scary to imagine the result of a direct hit of such a projectile in a tank.

      There, if such a shell explodes nearby, the consequences will be enormous.
    4. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 6 September 2019 13: 59
      +1
      Quote: abrakadabre
      It is scary to imagine the result of a direct hit of such a projectile in a tank.

      I can’t even imagine what will remain of him
    5. Lopatov
      Lopatov 6 September 2019 16: 38
      +7
      Especially if you ask the enemy tankers to stop for ease of aiming and not shoot back and God forbid being ahead of the curve.

      They fool around, window dressing in its purest form.

      For such guns, direct fire was always practiced by means of insertion trunks. Because
      firstly, this is not at all the main issue of combat work.
      secondly, a few shells need to be spent on working out the main, real shooting from the PDO, which cannot be imitated by means of extension trunks.
      thirdly, it is necessary to respect polygons.
    6. svp67
      svp67 6 September 2019 21: 10
      0
      Quote: abrakadabre
      It is scary to imagine the result of a direct hit of such a projectile in a tank.

      Well, why, but to understand that such tactics are now complete recklessness. How long will this artillery unit, possessing very valuable weapons, live on the battlefield, the sky of which is filled with attack UAVs and "kamikaze drones"? It is more effective to use ATGMs and the installation of a cost center for attacking tanks, on routes of movement and attack
    7. Vanek
      Vanek 9 September 2019 03: 53
      0
      Quote: abrakadabre
      Scary to imagine


      - Report the shooting result!

      - Well, go see for yourself. Just the point?


      So I think that after a direct hit, the crew of an enemy tank will be recorded as missing.

      And the car itself will be written off for second-cher-met!

      There was a tank, but all went out *

      hi
  2. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 6 September 2019 13: 21
    -8
    tactics of group strikes are guaranteed to stop the attack on the breakout areas. The power of such attacks is not able to withstand any standing and arming and promising equipment.
    Then yes. And now the warriors know it now. And they have 18 of them. Less ringing is needed, not sharing experience with the probable.
    1. infantryman2020
      infantryman2020 6 September 2019 13: 29
      +5
      Lol Khokhlov mentioned in a post - he worked the money.
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 6 September 2019 14: 03
      0
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      rather than sharing experience with the probable.

      Consider the probable opponent half-wits, knowingly lose.
      They, too, were not made with a finger, and they also know the capabilities of their weapons well.
      WU alone finished
  3. Rwmos
    Rwmos 6 September 2019 13: 22
    +2
    Brutal unit ... Especially for direct fire. How do you imagine such a fool looking at you ...
    1. VO3A
      VO3A 6 September 2019 15: 21
      +6
      The tactics of group attacks by direct fire of self-propelled artillery 2С5 "Hyacinth-S" was developed during the artillery exercises of the combined arms army of the BBO. This was reported by the press service of the Ministry of Defense.

      At all exercises, everything shoots with direct fire ?! And in another they can’t shoot! Hyacinth - direct fire to stop the advance of the enemy at the breakout site... you only get to the bottom of the matter! How can this be in a modern war?
      NO !!!
      If the enemy sees Hyocinth, he is destroyed, this is clear without clarification .. So it was in the USSR.
      Our stupidity is flourishing at the level of the top military leadership ... You read the article ... You can laugh to tears, just not funny ... They don’t even understand what idiots they are !!! When will this cretinism stop?
      For exercises, it is necessary to practice firing from closed positions, using UAV signals in almost real time ... And for this, special devices and programs are needed ... They are simple, but they are not ..
      Our "Hyocinth" shoots with direct fire, our Coalition shoots with direct fire from a trench at all exercises, we even have a "Tornado-G" and that shoots with direct fire ...
      Tell me I'm wrong Where is Combat Information Systems? What do UAVs do, besides shooting application results and monitoring?

      FULL DEGENARATES !!!
      1. Rwmos
        Rwmos 6 September 2019 15: 30
        -2
        To be able to do this too. If possible, the WCT would be folded not wrapping it with the charges of Gorynych, but fucking from Hyacinth. A little-probable thing, but probable, and Hyacinth is designed for this, otherwise it would also lower the trunk to the ground, like a Tulip - so as not to mutilate the chassis
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 6 September 2019 16: 51
          +4
          Quote: RWMos
          To be able to do this too.

          The direct fire shooting training system has been developed since the pre-war era. It does not require real shooting with an expensive HE shell
          1. Speedy
            Speedy 6 September 2019 19: 23
            +1
            Americans indulge in direct fire of their 777. near the end.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 6 September 2019 20: 55
              +3
              Quote: Sorrow
              Americans indulge in direct fire of their 777. near the end.

              Yes, let them at least do something.
              Americans are absolutely no authority on artillery. Rather, the opposite. No one was more foolish than they were.
              1. Speedy
                Speedy 6 September 2019 23: 04
                0
                I agree. The same 777 ... When they accepted, they did not make the obvious choice.
      2. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 6 September 2019 15: 56
        -1
        "I recognize the sweetheart by his walk ..."
        We are stupid

        They don’t even understand what idiots they are.

        When is this cretinism

        FULL DEGENARATES

        So are you a pilot, or an artilleryman? Or maybe a sailor?
        . And for this we need special devices and programs ... They are simple, but they are not ..

        Did you know about this at the airport?
        1. VO3A
          VO3A 6 September 2019 16: 34
          0
          I have a teacher on the forum! Shovels! We studied the LMS together and it wasn’t funny ... We don’t receive a targeting signal from a UAV in any LMS, in any artillery system and missile systems ... Only from suicide bombers-correctors, as in Syria ...
          1. Lelik76
            Lelik76 6 September 2019 17: 25
            +2
            In 1996 and 97, they fired from the same 2S5 self-propelled guns in Dauria. I was the senior calculator of the division. We practiced firing as directed by a helicopter, then there was simply no UAV. I think if I had a picture from the UAV and not the data of the spotter, I would much faster calculate the corrections for shooting and transfer the data to the batteries.
            1. VO3A
              VO3A 6 September 2019 17: 43
              +1
              I have no doubt about it ... If this UAV would be in your submission, then the result is better .. And we have toy UAVs and are put into shelves ... And the nicest in the General Staff comes up with some interspecies connections ... It is about network-centric or Combat Information Systems and has no idea ... They call their ACS ... This is quite another ... Parade of idiots ..
              1. Lelik76
                Lelik76 6 September 2019 17: 58
                0
                Well, in my case, the UAV would be subordinate to the beginning. division headquarters. At the time of the shooting, I was a junior sergeant, after the shooting they gave me a sergeant and a week later I also demobilized 1,5 months ahead of schedule for good shooting.
      3. chenia
        chenia 6 September 2019 16: 48
        +1
        You don’t worry so much, 95% of the PSU system is PDO (and even there, the shooter is mostly shooting from a substitute). And direct fire, so just in case, 4 sn. At the end of the lag assembly, and even then for such systems even less often.).

        But for the show, especially in front of the correspondents (which we see) the very thing.
        1. VO3A
          VO3A 6 September 2019 16: 57
          -1
          This is not the problem, read another comment ...
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 6 September 2019 17: 01
          +5
          Quote: chenia
          You don’t worry so much, 95% in the PSU system is PDO.

          However, with perseverance worthy of other use, the artillery is stubbornly dragged into direct fire. Chechnya, Georgia, "serial experience"
          Maybe they, these leaders, should be welded to the sectors of the lifting mechanisms to limit the angle of vertical guidance, so that the wise and far-sighted artillery commanders could no longer use the guns for firing with open OP?

          Quote: chenia
          But for the show, especially in front of correspondents

          Wasted shells and a wasted headache for polygons.
          1. chenia
            chenia 6 September 2019 17: 40
            +1
            Quote: Spade
            so that the wise and far-sighted artillery commanders could no longer

            Artillery? Maybe infantry?
            Direct shooting for such systems, only if you need to break up, what, then it is too fortification (with a vertical wall) and, if necessary, tanks on the fire.
            And drive the bearded through the forest?
            Although there is, when shooting for destruction, shooting in the range (with the NP you can see both the target and the OP - it is specially adjusted)

            Quote: Spade
            Wasted shells and a wasted headache for polygons.

            But what effect, practical you will not achieve this, and even on the real object.
            We also loved (at the officer's show) to do this - shooting at landmarks. The main thing. so that the polygons would not notice, and would not write out a fresh issue of "Krasnaya ZZZvezda".
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 6 September 2019 18: 16
              +2
              Quote: chenia
              Artillery? Maybe infantry?

              Ultimately, everything is decided by a "gasket" called the Chief of Artillery. Many of them have wings.

              Quote: chenia
              Direct shooting for such systems - only if you need to break

              There is shooting for destruction, there is shooting with half-closed fire, which is practiced with Finnish.


              Quote: chenia
              Although there is, when shooting for destruction, shooting in the range (with the NP you can see both the target and the OP - it is specially adjusted)

              There they dance not from the "alignment", but from the floor wall, which must be broken.
              Put the guns as close as possible to the perpendicular, and only then place the KNP with the PS less than 3-00
              1. chenia
                chenia 6 September 2019 18: 43
                0
                Quote: Spade
                decides everything


                And if the guys took the shelter crest of the OP and UPS, the smallest sight of a couple of KM is farther than the target. And the chief demands readiness. and had to climb out to the navel.
                Hyacinth in the mountains? You can’t play with a charge.

                Quote: Spade
                There they dance not from the "alignment", but from the floor wall, which must be broken.


                NOT. At art. Preparation, in order to complete the task faster (destruction) - when it is necessary to hinged (on the floor it is preferable direct, half straight), so as not to play with the control room. and speed up the adjustment and the ability to just capture (minimal deviation of direction) your projectile (when artillery preparation is not so simple).
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 6 September 2019 21: 13
                  +1
                  Quote: chenia
                  Hyacinth in the mountains?

                  ...it is a crime. The guns in the mountains have nothing to do.


                  Quote: chenia
                  NOT. At art. Preparation, in order to complete the task faster (destruction) - when it is necessary to hinged (on the floor it is preferable direct, half straight), so as not to play with the control room. and speed up the adjustment and the ability to just capture (minimal deviation of direction) your projectile (when artillery preparation is not so simple).

                  Understood nothing.
                  There is a bunker. There is its floor wall, which is preferable to hit. Mounted fire increases consumption and time by orders of magnitude. There is an angle between the direction of fire and the floor wall, which should be as close to the perpendicular as possible (physics)
                  Direct fire is fraught with the destruction of guns and the failure of the task. Semi-direct or PDO.
                  There is a bunker. In accordance with its location, select firing, in accordance with the location of the target and firing choose the place of KNI.
        3. Lelik76
          Lelik76 6 September 2019 17: 55
          0
          During the exercises of one battery in 4 KAMAZ 4 guns, we shot off in a week, even there were night firing. They didn’t shoot straight and where in Dauria it was peeling, some hills around, so they fired for hills. In night firing, the most important thing was to light the charge exactly above the firing range so that spotters could see the results and goals. There, another technique for calculating elevation and turnaround is used.
  4. tlauicol
    tlauicol 6 September 2019 13: 25
    +4
    Handsomely. though the tank shot at it 20 times during this time.

    Interestingly, they switched to direct fire because they forgot how to shoot or learned?
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 6 September 2019 13: 39
      +2
      Handsomely. though the tank shot at it 20 times during this time.
      Probably the calculation is made on an ambush salvo. That is, when the advancing tanks will not be able to make an otter after the first volley on them.
    2. den3080
      den3080 6 September 2019 13: 41
      +1
      Quote: Tlauicol
      Handsomely. though the tank shot at it 20 times during this time.

      Interestingly, they switched to direct fire because they forgot how to shoot or learned?

      smile it would be better, of course, not to bring to direct fire in real combat, but to use the “curve” ... well, in the sense of the usual smile
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 6 September 2019 13: 44
        +3
        Quote: den3080
        it would be better of course not to bring it to direct fire in real combat, but to use the “curve” ... well, in the sense of the usual smile

        Better is better ... But you need to BE ABLE to fire direct fire.
        1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
          SERGEY SERGEEVICS 6 September 2019 13: 49
          +1
          Better is better ... But you need to BE ABLE to fire direct fire.

          So for this, they conduct similar trainings and exercises in order to learn this.
      2. Lelik76
        Lelik76 6 September 2019 17: 28
        0
        Anything can be. "While you are still attached to the terrain, spotters are needed. What if the convoy is on the march and you really need to hit the target - you have to be able to do it. During the exercises, our 2C5 crews turned from the traveling position to the firing position in 4-5 minutes.
    3. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 6 September 2019 14: 04
      0
      Quote: Tlauicol
      Handsomely. though the tank shot at it 20 times during this time.

      Is the range of the aimed shot of the tank and self-propelled guns comparable?
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol 6 September 2019 14: 14
        +1
        Of course not. he’ll fill the position of the OB battery along a ballistic trajectory, if the self-propelled guns do not hit all the tanks at once, which is unlikely
      2. Lelik76
        Lelik76 6 September 2019 17: 28
        0
        We didn’t fly straight from them, and so up to 27 km range. We beat on 7 km.
      3. VO3A
        VO3A 6 September 2019 17: 57
        +1
        It’s compatible here: direct fire, people in the tank still have armor, and they’ll not even put these fragments with an accurate shot ... But these generals do not care for people, they have Hyacinth, a sudden breakthrough with direct fire stops ... It’s just flying away, and degenerates teachings come up with us ....
  5. Pavel57
    Pavel57 6 September 2019 13: 27
    0
    Direct fire with a nuclear landmine.
  6. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
    SERGEY SERGEEVICS 6 September 2019 13: 34
    -2
    Professionally the boys worked.
  7. Proton
    Proton 6 September 2019 13: 36
    0
    With this "flower" any tank can be picked up on a straight line wassat about all sorts of shells "chamomile" and "mint" silence.
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin 6 September 2019 13: 51
      -1
      It soothes mint well. And you can tell fortunes on a chamomile "lovesNot love". The main thing here is in which Aspect to look at the Symbolism of allusions.
  8. Sfurei
    Sfurei 6 September 2019 13: 36
    0
    Power good .. Sorry did not show the result)))
    1. Lelik76
      Lelik76 6 September 2019 17: 37
      0
      I saw at the training ground, I specially went to the KNP to see the spotters, the funnels are impressive.
  9. Clone
    Clone 6 September 2019 13: 39
    +3
    Actually, with such dimensions and direct fire, the "art" should be buried up to the lower edge of the barrel ... figuratively speaking. An unexpected breakthrough by an adversary? It is somehow doubtful, taking into account the firing range and the presence of this object in the category of "special" weapons.
    "As in the parade" shot back.
    1. Lelik76
      Lelik76 6 September 2019 17: 36
      0
      According to the standards, when self-propelled guns were dug in during exercises (it has a self-digging device in front, the sheet reclines like a dump from a bulldozer), they buried it about a meter in the ground, everything covers from above. When you do not hit the trunk with direct aim much higher, it still sticks out of the ground when firing.
  10. garri-lin
    garri-lin 6 September 2019 13: 47
    -1
    Sending "from the ground" looks a little clumsy.
    1. dr.mel51
      dr.mel51 6 September 2019 14: 12
      -1
      they used manual sending to study there is also a rammer compressed air generated during the shot.
      1. Lelik76
        Lelik76 6 September 2019 17: 34
        -1
        The charging machine is hanging by the hatch in the video without movement.
  11. Bacha
    Bacha 6 September 2019 14: 04
    -1
    Quote: Herrr
    Quote: abrakadabre
    It is scary to imagine the result of a direct hit of such a projectile in a tank.
    Yes, it's okay, just tear off the tower, just business.))) It is better, as always, to watch a movie.)

    And skating rinks all over the field.
  12. Sofievka
    Sofievka 6 September 2019 14: 56
    -1
    Such a one under Prokhorovka, and Uncle Misha would come home on both legs
  13. bald
    bald 6 September 2019 16: 07
    -1
    Not only communication, dust and dirt! Respect.
  14. Ros 56
    Ros 56 6 September 2019 16: 23
    -1
    The thing is certainly powerful, but tankers will not open their mouths, but they will answer back. It’s better, of course, to shoot such guns from behind the shelter, and with direct fire, in extreme cases, otherwise the calculation will take the shrapnel down.
  15. Lelik76
    Lelik76 6 September 2019 17: 32
    0
    I don’t care why they don’t use the automatic loader, they push the projectile and charge manually (the automatic machine can be seen there at the bottom of the trays for entering and delivering the ammunition from the inside. We only had manual loading on exercises when this machine was self-propelled The calculation generally died by the end of firing that day. The 63 kg projectile seemed to charge approximately the same depending on the amount of gunpowder. The rest of the time, charging was only automatic.
  16. Normal ok
    Normal ok 6 September 2019 18: 57
    -2
    2С5 has a horizontal pointing angle of +/- 15 grad. And the speed of the turn generally tends to = 0. What tanks damn it !! If only the tank is at 800 meters and does not move. I didn’t serve alone in artillery. Say the word guys.
    It is steeper only to bring 2C7 to the "straight line" !. Generally nonsense.
    PySy. Even the MT-12 is already a rarity, although it is specifically geared towards tanks. But what is in the article .... Not amenable to analysis.
    1. Lelik76
      Lelik76 7 September 2019 02: 21
      0
      The fur of the waters can be quickly turned around, but I don’t know whether it is necessary for him to raise the base plate or not, we didn’t do this in the exercises. There is still gunpowder to calculate how many beams to pull out, probably with direct fire, to the maximum pull out all the bags that are allowed to be pulled out to the minimum firing range. Just one of the exercises seems to work out what can be done, although this is not a regular course of shooting mode. We fired for 7 km, the hell knows where, the only thing with the KNP was telling where to turn and how many meters sighting shells were gone, you already consider the corrections there. In principle, there is no way for the gunner to do it there, except to turn the flywheels; as a calculator, I gave all the information to the guns to the commander of the self-propelled guns, and I immediately had corrections for all guns in the battery.
  17. Cartridge
    Cartridge 6 September 2019 22: 28
    -1
    Dear! Before writing, you need to know the theory. Direct fire is one of the objectives of the Artillery Training Course (KPA). Therefore, everyone, including officers with a standard system with standard ammunition, is obliged to carry out a direct fire mission. The inserts were used to save money, but don't forget that the preparation also turns out to be "ersatz" (you wanted champagne, and they slipped you lemonade). In general, direct fire from such weapons is a necessary measure, mainly for protection, when there is no one and nothing to "plug the hole" in the defense, or the destruction of a bunker (bunker) that cannot be penetrated by tanks. Most of all, attention is drawn to the author's ignorance, who could not even correctly interpret the speech of the military.
    Group direct fire ACS 2S5 "Hyacinth-S" was practiced at the Trirechye range

    Shooting is not carried out by groups, but as part of units.
    one salvo of the Hyacinth-S self-propelled guns was enough to destroy an entire tank unit.

    It was necessary to "drink so much" to write like that. It is generally not clear how many guns were fired (two or more guns are firing in one volley) and how many tanks were knocked out (tank units: platoon, company, battalion). That is, several tanks with one shell! Super!
    1. Lelik76
      Lelik76 7 September 2019 02: 26
      0
      Our officers trained at the MAP (small artillery range). On the roof of the KNP there was a PKT connected to the console inside. The officers made the calculation, twisted the simulators of the self-propelled guns, which were connected with it by mechanical wiring, and when fired, the PKT fired a single shot and, if lucky, knocked out the figures on the model located in front of the KNP.
      At the field exit I made these calculations (junior sergeant) :-) The chief of staff (captain) sat with me in the command MTLB and only talked on the phone sometimes, mostly I was in touch with the KNP and guns.
      1. Normal ok
        Normal ok 8 September 2019 09: 05
        -2
        Quote: Lelik76
        Our officers trained at the MAP (small artillery range). On the roof of the KNP there was a PKT connected

        We, in AVAKOLU, had a "pistol" range. A 3-storey building, the size of a factory workshop, where there was a model of the terrain and, fixed on machines, there were barrels from TOZ-8.
        1. Lelik76
          Lelik76 8 September 2019 15: 46
          +1
          Not in our team (Sherlovaya Gora ZabVO) it was small, like a bunker something buried in the ground, the viewing window was almost at ground level, in front of it there were mock-ups of tanks, houses, well, and the FCT on the roof with an electric start respectively pounded them
    2. svp67
      svp67 7 September 2019 04: 36
      +1
      Quote: Cartridge
      In general, direct fire from such weapons is a necessary measure, mainly for defense, when there is no one and nothing to "plug the hole" in the defense,

      Or when the enemy tanks have already passed all of them and are about to enter the firing positions of our artillery. The question is different, Well, the first salvo, if the firing positions of the artillery were not known in advance, may still be successful, but then it is unlikely. Unlike these self-propelled guns, the tank is more mobile and capable of installing a smoke screen that will hide the rest of the vehicles from the eyes of the gunners. And while the couple will bind the gunners from the front in battle, the rest will quickly carry out flank coverage and then the gunners simply have no chance. And this is if you act by the methods of the Second World War. And now the way for the tanks will be "paved" by strikes of artillery, tactical aviation and UAVs, including "kamikaze". And knowing who "owns" these artillery systems, their meeting with enemy tanks will take place when they pass the defense of our forward regiments. This means that they will already be moving in pre-battle formations, pushing forward all reconnaissance means, both air and ground. And they will open the positions of this artillery very quickly, even before the tanks approach the range of a direct shot. And now it's worth looking at how fast the Abrams tanks can move across the battlefield, will the crews be able to target and fire before they get out of sight of their sights?

      Quote: Cartridge
      It is generally not clear how many guns were fired (two or more guns were fired in one gulp) and how many tanks were shot down (tank units: platoon, company, battalion)

      Well, a NATO tank platoon, these are four tanks, and they have TWO in the company management. So the fire of two guns can destroy an entire unit - the "headquarters section"
      PS / And as I understand it, you are an artilleryman, and the question is to you as an artilleryman, why do the calculations not use the standard loading system, but work manually? What systems are covered or are they not taught at all?
      1. Lelik76
        Lelik76 7 September 2019 05: 48
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        I wrote the same a little higher about loading. At the exercises, manually charged only when the feed mechanism jammed (1 time it was, then repaired). There you can still carry ammunition inside the self-propelled guns and, accordingly, throw them into the automatic loader from the inside, it is fed to the rear hatch on a carousel (2 pcs.), But since it’s more convenient to pull it out of the boxes, we also shot.
      2. Cartridge
        Cartridge 7 September 2019 06: 43
        +1
        Regarding loading from the ground:
        1. The 2S5 ground loading system is cumbersome: in the combat compartment there is a "carousel" for 30 shells and a belt feeder for 30 cartridges; feeding is carried out by a lifting mechanism with two trays and then returns to the place where to stop (in the fighting compartment; loaders are inside the fighting compartment - among "everything moving") and therefore the first version - corny commanders are afraid of injuries among the soldiers.
        2. The entire charging system works when the engine is running, so when loading from the ground manually does not consume motor resources, fuel, etc. ECONOMY, damn it! At the same time, passing strength training of military personnel, and this is useful ...
        3. They do not know how to use the system and no one teaches (officers, because sometimes they themselves do not know, and now cadets are not taught to work on these guns, such as outdated ones). This paragraph may include the lack of full technical preparation of the system for combat work, including minor repairs by calculation forces (I will not disclose - the kit includes 2 books and 2 albums related to maintenance).
        1. Lelik76
          Lelik76 7 September 2019 07: 18
          +1
          In the years 96-97, there was fuel, I repeat, we never used manual loading, and you can put a projectile and charge into the trays of the charging device both from the combat compartment (it is very inconvenient to load ammunition there first, and when you pull out all this with bunches of gunpowder splendor will roll on the floor and pose a threat of burnout of the ACS) and just from the ground. I don’t know how you have, in theory, "strength training of servicemen" they already had enough to unload from the KAMAZ, and then drag it from the unloading point to the gun. It's so good to argue in theory, I felt it all in practice, I was the only one in the headquarters MTLBu when firing with anti-ballistic missiles, but the shells were unloaded and then the cartridges with boxes back to all the soldiers (regardless of the position, whether you are even the commander of a weapon or a mech. waters) were loaded.
          1. Cartridge
            Cartridge 7 September 2019 07: 40
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            I just presented my versions of what happened, but I don’t know how they are, and because of what.
            Regarding your service - "uvazhuha". But no one promised you a soft sofa and delicious dumplings, and when you took the oath, you solemnly swore: "I swear, while in military service, to be honest, conscientious, worthily endure the difficulties associated with it ..." Therefore, at the end of the service you left army is not a SLEEP, but a "husband" who knows not only his work, but also the work of other specialists and can replace them on the battlefield.
            1. Lelik76
              Lelik76 7 September 2019 08: 14
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              What a sofa, I don't even complain about the 2 years spent, even though I shot with everything that we were supposed to, except for the Arrows (they walked across the state against aviation). We had a PSABr (self-propelled cannon artillery brigade), our own reconnaissance division, all MTO service personnel, and transport. We only had RPGs from tanks, from infantry to self-propelled guns and MTLBu PKT were completed. Here someone wrote about the shells, in those years, with the BHVT, located next to the unit, the decommissioned shells were taken out by carriages for destruction, from the hailstones, tank and our "native" 152 mm. I tore off my back rather robustly, because the task was to load the car for 8 people before lunch to the eyeballs, despite its carrying capacity. How many Gradov charges were included in the car, and one weighed in a container like 125 kg.
            2. Lelik76
              Lelik76 7 September 2019 08: 18
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              I had to replace the chief of staff, in the event of his retirement (he told me so). In principle, I think I would have done it, target designation still goes with KNI, we needed only the coordinates of the target, which charges to shoot (F or OF) and how single, in one gulp or fluent.
      3. Cartridge
        Cartridge 7 September 2019 07: 05
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        It means they will already move in pre-battle orders, pushing forward all reconnaissance means, both air and ground.

        Not so simple. Combat actions are actions of a complex of fire weapons from TWO sides. The deployment of the main areas of artillery firing positions both with us and the enemy is 4-6 km from the forward edge, and this is just behind the battalions of the 1st echelon of regiments (and there are also infantry cut-off positions to create fire bags and other tricks), so the enemy will go in "deployed formation in battle formation" at a speed of 3 km / h (tanks will not leave the infantry, but will move at its speed). Therefore, the artillery units that did not leave the OP will support the actions of the retreating motorized rifle and tank units in order to gain a foothold on the line ...
        Yes, in this situation with modern tanks, the artillerymen have only 1-2 shots (until they found the gun and while the motorized riflemen with our tanks are "diverting the fire to themselves."
        1. svp67
          svp67 7 September 2019 12: 37
          +1
          Quote: Cartridge
          The deployment of the main areas of artillery firing positions both with us and the enemy is 4–6 km from the front line, and this is only for battalions of the 1st echelon of regiments

          Well, this is mainly for regimental and divisional artillery, and "Hyacinth" is also a higher rank in the reinforcement system. Well, even if we take 4-6 km from the front line, after the breakthrough of our defense areas of the first echelon battalions, the enemy will immediately switch to pre-battle formations, since this way they immediately acquire a high speed of movement, respectively, the infantry sits on their "armor". In this situation, the main thing for them is to immediately raise the pace so that on the "shoulders" of our retreating troops they can reach the front line of the second echelon battalions.
  18. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 7 September 2019 03: 25
    +1
    As an option, you can check, in fact, complete absurdity !!!