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Unlearned lessons of World War II

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On 17 of September we will hear from the Western "democrats" and "liberals" a new shaft of false fabrications and insults against Russia in connection with the 80 anniversary of the entry of Soviet troops into the eastern regions of Poland in 1939, to Western Belarus and to Western Ukraine. And this is also the result of lessons of the Second World War that we have not learned.




Forgotten story


Article The English Beginning of World War II we said, in our opinion, the role of the Anglo-Polish military treaty at such an outbreak of the war, concluded by the parties on 25 on August 1939, which is not even remembered today, to other "historians" were completely overwhelmed by the Molotov-Ribbentrop agreement. Meanwhile, with this treaty with Poland, England acted as the instigator of World War II, because she was not going to fulfill this treaty, as it became clear on September 3, when a fake “strange war” between England and France with fascist Germany began on the western front. In response to a real German attack on Poland.

If the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact had not been signed in the same August, Hitler’s war machine would have crushed Poland and moved to the Soviet Union, which was the purpose of pre-war Anglo-French diplomacy, judging by Churchill’s statement:
“The fact that such an agreement was possible marks the full depth of the failure of English and French politics and diplomacy in a few years.”


Many of our historians still call the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact a certain achievement of Soviet policy, while the initiative for this treaty belongs to Hitler! The USSR was in August 1939 on the edge of the war and seized on a non-aggression pact with Germany as a straw. In the prewar 30 years, all USSR initiatives to curb aggression from Germany, all peace initiatives also had a second bottom: to split the front of Western "democracies" in relation to Hitler and his allies in Europe, which made it impossible to form a united western front against THE USSR. Why are we still classifying this open secret?

Everyone then understood this, and Hitler understood. Therefore, when he proposed that the USSR conclude a non-aggression pact, he split the potential united Western front against the USSR, and Stalin could not help but conclude such an agreement. Hitler’s plan seems simple: having fenced off the USSR from the non-aggression treaty, quietly “unite” all Western Europe, all its resources for the subsequent attack on the USSR. In any case, it was precisely this plan that Hitler fulfilled, with the exception of the "unification of England," which had escaped on its island beyond the English Channel.

Our strange world


Today we do not pay tribute to the hypocritical policy of the Western colonial "democracies", which in essence have not changed at all since the 30 of the last century. Even today they are fighting for their neocolonial indirect dominance in the world and the "legitimate" dollar robbery of the "developing countries of the Third World", in which they tried to push Russia into the 90 years.

This caused the phenomenon of Vladimir Putin, his rebuff to the American "comrade wolf who eats and does not listen to anyone" in a famous speech at the Munich Security Conference in 2007. Russia managed to maintain its conservative imperial spirit by combining it with elective mechanisms, and this saved Russia after the democratic oligarchic 90's.

Long before its start, World War II was predicted by many public figures and politicians, including V. I. Lenin warned that a “party of war” could always come to power in Europe unexpectedly. She came, and even in the form of a fascist war party, and not only in Germany. The whole West, including England and the United States, was then ill with fascism, fascist political parties existed everywhere, but not everywhere they broke through to power.

It is a fact that Western liberal democracy gave birth to fascism / Nazism: Hitler came to power in a democratic way, no matter how the ideologists of liberalism try to translate the arrows of someone into a certain fate storieswho is on the communist ideology, allegedly responsible for Hitler. Recall that communism also gave birth to the West. Western liberal democracies, these oligarchic deep dictatorships that surfaced during the defamation of President Trump, are still pregnant with new fascism.

And today, the West can at any moment give birth to a “party of war”, which is completely fascist in nature. Probably, by other criteria, they are already visible: excellence in "democracy", in culture, in civilization, in "values." The main thing in fascism is the idea of ​​superiority, the denial of equal rights to the opponent, which, as it were, allows him to act at will, but culturally and civilized. Hitler’s fascism also insisted on bringing culture to “barbarian Russia”. Compare with the traditional policies of Russia and most other non-Western countries: for all questions to them, they come from the ancient message that Prince Svyatoslav formulated with us: "I’m coming to you!" That is, I’m on an equal footing.

“What was, it will be”


Direct analogies of today's world with the situation in Europe on the eve of World War II are also suggesting. England again provokes Western Europe against Russia, this time with the Skripals affair, as deceitful as the Anglo-Polish 1939 military treaty of the year. Poland is changing its course from pro-European, where disagreements with Berlin and Brussels are growing, into pro-American, pro-English.

The contradictions between the West and Russia are growing and becoming almost insurmountable, insults are addressed to Russia from the position of superiority of certain “European values,” that is, essentially fascist. Sometimes, quite fascist epithets of Russia jump off the tongue of high Western figures, but they still cause scandals.

The provocation with the Malaysian Boeing, in which all the oligarchic "democracies" immediately blamed Russia, except for Malaysia itself, is very similar to the provocation of fascist Germany in Glyivitsa, because it had the goal of starting a war in Ukraine, but could not achieve it.

Russia, like the USSR in the last century, seeks to prevent the formation of a united front of Western states against itself. Based on this, Moscow’s gas and energy policy is being built, it is trying to normalize relations with those Western countries that are trying to meet in some way: “Norman” France and Germany, Austria, Italy, Turkey.

Obviously, the third world war would have already begun long ago had it not been for the deterrent weapons. The situation has changed in another respect: Russia is seriously supported by the non-Western world and China, despite its dollar bondage. Although for the same reason he is cautious.

Many analysts, including Western ones, believe that the West has already begun the third world (hybrid) war against Russia due to the impossibility of a “military war”. In this light, a US coup d'état in Ukraine with the bringing to power of the Bandera elite is seen by them as a hybrid aggression of the West against Russia. Lyndon LaRouche, an American analyst and millionaire, Star Wars architect, immediately called the coup in Ukraine a “Nazi coup” with which Washington decided to break Russia. However, Russia did not break, the third world hybrid war continues.

Some great historians, Yandex knows them, insist that history in its main features goes in a circle, in this sense the world goes on the road of the Second World War. From which we still have not learned lessons: we are all afraid to offend someone and therefore we all smooth out the sharp corners of history, we all pose as Leopold's cat.
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  1. Strashila
    Strashila 7 September 2019 06: 12 New
    +13
    "a new shaft of false fabrications and insults against Russia in connection with the 80th anniversary of the Soviet troops' entry into the eastern regions of Poland in 1939, into Western Belarus and into Western Ukraine.", the Western world does not recognize the results of not only the Second World War, but has already refused from the results of the First, the USSR in the 39th occupied the territories that belonged to it according to the results of the First World War along the Curzon line, in fact the West did not resent then, since the USSR did not take too much, but returned what was lost during the Civil War, if they were different would unite against C in a single rush SSR, as it was in the Finnish company.
    “while the initiative of this treaty belongs to Hitler!”, and he could not even imagine that Russophobia in Poland would exceed the feeling of self-preservation.
    1. don-1500
      don-1500 7 September 2019 07: 01 New
      +1
      Sorry, I set a minus
      1. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 7 September 2019 07: 25 New
        +24
        This caused the phenomenon of Vladimir Putin, his rebuff to the American "comrade wolf who eats and does not listen to anyone" in a famous speech at the Munich Security Conference in 2007. Russia managed to maintain its conservative imperial spirit by combining it with elective mechanisms, and this saved Russia after the democratic-oligarchic 90s. - from article

        Is it like author Viktor Kamenev? What "imperial spirit" is connected with "elective mechanisms"? And is not Russia now a raw material colony of the USA, the West, and China? What kind of "empire" amid the surrender of Rusal and the Angarsk-Yenisei cascade of US hydroelectric power stations, the Siberian taiga for pennies to China?
        Russia is being handed over in all directions, both directly through "investment", and simply by leasing the territory for decades, or even simply giving it away for no reason; exporting to the offshore the loot of the "elite"; handing over the interests of the state, country, people through officials (and higher) having dual (or even triple) citizenship (or closest relatives there) of the "partner" states - and, in essence, our potential opponents.
        In fact, without a declared war, there is a capture of Russia. And this, unfortunately, is a fact from which, if we want to be honest, do not get away. And there’s no need for war, everything is working out for them.
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 7 September 2019 09: 09 New
          +13
          Quote: vladimirZ
          Is it like author Viktor Kamenev?

          He turns West gave birth (in one row): communism, fascism, liberalism and oligarchic dictatorships, and Russia -
          the phenomenon of Vladimir Putin
          who opposed all this, omitting the truth that Putin himself is a major liberal.
          Western liberal democracy gave birth fascism/ Nazism ... ideologists liberalismand ... communism also gave birth to the West. Western liberal democracies, these oligarchic deep dictatorships

          I already realized that Mr. Kamenev is categorically against liberalism, communism, capitalism with its oligarchic circles, against dictatorships. But what Kamenev himself advocates, for what idea, for what system ... is incomprehensible. Except for the notorious Putin phenomenon.
          1. Greg Miller
            Greg Miller 7 September 2019 10: 09 New
            +2
            Putin is Yeltsin of the XNUMXst century ...
            1. businessv
              businessv 7 September 2019 21: 19 New
              -7
              Quote: Greg Miller
              Putin is Yeltsin of the XNUMXst century ...

              Yeltsin, this is Yeltsin, and Putin, respectively! Trying to shove the unbecoming, colleague! Yeltsin drank and handed out everything that was possible and what was impossible - also, lowering the country to the level of African states in all sectors, including the military-industrial complex! Can you remember what condition our army was in the 90s? Putin returned almost all hydrocarbon deposits with a few exceptions, no matter who says it. Another thing is who is entrusted with the development and where the money flows from this activity. I’m not even going to remind you about the military-industrial complex.
              1. businessv
                businessv 18 September 2019 16: 35 New
                0
                Quote: businessv
                Yeltsin, this is Yeltsin, and Putin, respectively!

                As I understand it, minus those who do not agree with this definition? Please prove to me that Putin is a reborn EBN and I will immediately abandon my claim! lol
          2. Kronos
            Kronos 7 September 2019 10: 54 New
            +1
            For the Empire, he advocates holy Rus without capitalism, which is impossible
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 7 September 2019 10: 57 New
              +2
              Yes, and for feudal relations, which are expressed in monopoly and nepotism.
        2. Ryaruav
          Ryaruav 7 September 2019 15: 22 New
          +8
          I completely agree with you what kind of successor is the imperial spirit? Of course, it’s nice to feel like a napoleonchik from the gray mouse to the top of the roof: I and the storks I’m on the plane I’m on the Su-27 I’m at the bottom of the Baltic FIG it at a salary of 15000 (I am not a very bad locksmith of 5 category)
      2. Leonard Kabachkov_2
        Leonard Kabachkov_2 7 September 2019 08: 29 New
        -4
        Plus, you should not bet. About Poland and the results of the First and Second World
    2. Leonard Kabachkov_2
      Leonard Kabachkov_2 7 September 2019 13: 57 New
      -2
      Bullshit.
  2. Vadim T.
    Vadim T. 7 September 2019 06: 25 New
    +12
    The article is good, thanks to the author for covering the burning topic. Yes, there were many lessons not learned. But even more political errors and miscalculations turned out: they allowed the collapse of the USSR and the loss of many territories, as a result of which they lost a huge amount of population, allowed the nationalists to commit the wildest genocide of the Russian-speaking population in all post-Soviet republics (with the possible exception of the BSSR), and chose the liberal-bourgeois model of development according to the Colombian version (of which there is neither the strength nor the ability to refuse), they took for granted the appearance of Russophobic regimes along the entire perimeter ... This list can still be long to live. But this is already enough to conclude: we did not learn the lessons of WWII. The West, on the contrary, has learned them well. And all that we have lost over the past 30 years, unfortunately, has become its legitimate prey.
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 7 September 2019 06: 28 New
    +5
    we are all afraid to offend someone, and therefore we are smoothing out the sharp corners of history, we all pose as the cat Leopold.
    I fully support the author. It's time to stop making excuses to various political scum. On cynical and deceitful attacks on Russia, incl. and the falsification of historical events simply needs to be answered strictly - by delivering notes to ambassadors and recalling their ambassadors for “consultations”. An example of a reaction to the statement of the Bulgarian Foreign Ministry is generally discouraging - they expressed something there and modestly shut up. So next time the Bulgarians will throw something worse, realizing that everything will end only with a quiet mumble of the Russian side. Well, the Poles have not seen the shores for a long time.
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 7 September 2019 06: 43 New
      +10
      “I fully support the author. It is high time to stop making excuses to various political scum.” - You speak apolitically, I swear, honestly.
      And real estate? And bank accounts? - if the Basmanny Court is there.
      1. don-1500
        don-1500 7 September 2019 07: 16 New
        -9
        The option is this: the warrior begins, they lose all these buns, then the simple Russian Vanka “wins all.” And they all return to themselves as trophies in 10 times the size. Only the Bsman court will have to work a little Nuremberg
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 7 September 2019 07: 17 New
          +6
          ".... then a simple Russian Vanka wins everybody" - with such a guide?
    2. Chaldon48
      Chaldon48 7 September 2019 12: 50 New
      -1
      It is high time for the Poles to change their flag to star-striped. However, the Polish elite, probably would have done it a long time ago, but probably afraid of their people.
  4. Gardamir
    Gardamir 7 September 2019 07: 06 New
    +18
    Enough already! The Vlasovites who rule the country turn the Russians into terrible .. Ah-oh they offended us. In the days of the USSR, someone would try to say something against the merits of the Union in that war. But the Vlasovites themselves are ready to repent to their partners. Everyone knows that Russians can be insulted and nothing will happen. They offend the memory of our ancestors and their graves. Offend today's Russia. Offend our leaders, whatever they may be. Are we more tolerant than a sheep and more timid than a hare? Now you will curse the Europeans with saliva and calm down until the next article.
  5. parusnik
    parusnik 7 September 2019 07: 12 New
    +13
    He teaches a familiar story at a technical school ... he has 6 or 7 groups there ... He conducted a farrow ... What is the book The Story of a Real Man ... People, Silent ... When he talked about Maresyev, he surprised students with his knowledge .. .And the author writes about the fabrications of the West ... We need to invent less ourselves ... so that there wouldn’t be any wonder why "they go to the rallies of Navalny ..."
    1. Van 16
      Van 16 7 September 2019 07: 50 New
      +5
      Not only in the story. Remember, in the Union, from the very beginning there was a child-teenage fiction that fostered patriotism. The same "Red Devils", "Wagtail Army", etc. She was a lot and she was good. And then came the year 91. So what? And nothing. Absolutely. No, Soviet children's books are published, and not badly, Nosov, Kir Bulychev, Krapivin, but this only speaks of their merits, but where are the new books, after reading which there would be pride in their country, in their army?
    2. Leonard Kabachkov_2
      Leonard Kabachkov_2 7 September 2019 08: 32 New
      0
      Navalny is connected with Khodorkovsky, they have a lot of incriminating evidence on the oligarchs.
  6. Boris55
    Boris55 7 September 2019 07: 32 New
    +2
    Quote: V. Kamenev
    Many of our historians still call the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact ..... Why are we still classifying this secret as open sign ?!

    At VO there was an article about this pact:
    https://topwar.ru/158870-pakt-molotova-ribbentropa-vse-tajnoe-stalo-javju.html
    And here is the secret part of it:


    The picture is taken from the article the link to which is indicated above.
    1. KERMET
      KERMET 7 September 2019 08: 03 New
      -4
      The definition of "Picture" is quite suitable for the photo of this "document"
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 7 September 2019 08: 16 New
        +1
        “Definition of“ Picture “is quite suitable” to “photo of this“ document ”- and what is the problem actually?
        1. KERMET
          KERMET 7 September 2019 08: 29 New
          -4
          Actually, the picture is not a document
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 7 September 2019 08: 31 New
            +1
            Does it mean that you are not officially aware of it?
            1. KERMET
              KERMET 7 September 2019 08: 32 New
              -2
              I know who published this and where and even for what purpose, and you?
              1. mat-vey
                mat-vey 7 September 2019 08: 48 New
                +1
                And what doesn’t suit you?
                1. KERMET
                  KERMET 7 September 2019 08: 53 New
                  0
                  The fact that this is not an official publication of the document, but ... Throwing into the masses of dubious pictures
                  1. mat-vey
                    mat-vey 7 September 2019 09: 02 New
                    -1
                    Well, maybe you're right.
                    1. KERMET
                      KERMET 7 September 2019 09: 13 New
                      0
                      Well, so far they have not provided me with more than one link to the publication of these documents by either the Ministry of Foreign Affairs or the Presidential Administration, etc.
                      1. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 7 September 2019 09: 25 New
                        +2
                        "neither by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, nor by the Presidential Administration, etc." - well, maybe this is not necessary, but I just just thought about it now - there are no archive details.
                      2. Doctor
                        Doctor 7 September 2019 19: 40 New
                        0
                        Well, so far they have not provided me with more than one link to the publication of these documents by either the Ministry of Foreign Affairs or the Presidential Administration, etc.

                        If there were no documents and maps specifying the border during the partition of Poland, then how did we and the Germans figured out where to stay?
                      3. KERMET
                        KERMET 7 September 2019 22: 50 New
                        +1
                        Type in Google: "The German-Soviet Treaty of Friendship and the Border between the USSR and Germany" of September 28, 1939, its text and a map with a line of demarcation were printed quite openly in the Soviet newspapers at that time, and according to it they stopped, though there were some places for this troops had to step back, some where forward
                      4. Doctor
                        Doctor 8 September 2019 08: 46 New
                        0
                        his text and a map with a demarcation line were printed at that time quite openly

                        Well, what's the problem then? In the text of the agreement itself, the spheres of influence and borders are not indicated, so there must also be a document in which it is written. So the secret application existed.
                      5. KERMET
                        KERMET 8 September 2019 14: 21 New
                        0
                        Well, firstly, if that I do not exclude the existence of secret annexes to various agreements (there is such a practice) and if they exist, then let them provide the originals, and not some dubious photocopies of copies.
                        Well, secondly
                        Quote: Arzt
                        In the text of the agreement itself, the spheres of influence and borders are not indicated, so there must also be a document in which it is written.

                        Have you read the contract of August 23, 1939 yourself? There is nothing there either about spheres of influence, or about their borders. The usual standard non-aggression pact of those years and nothing more.
                      6. Doctor
                        Doctor 8 September 2019 20: 48 New
                        +1
                        Quote: KERMET
                        Have you read the contract of August 23, 1939 yourself? There is nothing there either about spheres of influence, or about their borders. The usual standard non-aggression pact of those years and nothing more.

                        Well, I'll try from the other end. After the partition of Poland, the German-Soviet Treaty of Friendship and the Border between the USSR and Germany of September 28.09.1939, 22 was signed. A confidential protocol and two secret additional protocols were attached to it. All this is now open and published, for example, in the collection "Documents of the USSR Foreign Policy, Vol. 2. Book 1. September 31 - December 1939, XNUMX."
                        Here is the text of the second secret protocol:

                        643. SECRET ADDITIONAL PROTOCOL 227
                        [September 28, 1939]
                        The undersigned Plenipotentiaries acknowledge the consent of the German Government and the Government of the USSR as follows:
                        The secret supplementary protocol signed on August 23, 1939 * is amended in paragraph 1 so that the territory of the Lithuanian state is included in the sphere of interests of the USSR, since on the other hand, the Lublin Voivodeship and parts of the Warsaw Voivodeship are included in the sphere of interests of Germany (see map ** to the Treaty of Friendship and the Border between the USSR and Germany signed today). As soon as the Government of the USSR takes special measures on Lithuanian territory to protect its interests, in order to draw the border naturally and easily, the real German-Lithuanian border is corrected so that the Lithuanian territory, which lies south-west of the line indicated on the map, moves to Germany228.
                        It is further stated that economic agreements between Germany and Lithuania that are in force should not be violated by the above measures of the Soviet Union.
                        By Authorization For Government
                        Government of the USSR of Germany
                        Ö. MOLOTOV I. RIBBENTROP
                        September 28, 1939 28.IX.39
                        Print. by preserved typewritten copy:
                        WUA RF, f. 06, on. 1, l 8, d. 77, l 4
                        Publ. Herald of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the USSR. - 1990.— No. 4 (62) - S. 62.


                        How do you explain the link to a secret additional protocol signed on August 23, 1939 that set the boundaries?
                      7. KERMET
                        KERMET 9 September 2019 06: 42 New
                        -1
                        Why is the link-text of some additional secret protocol given in the same volume of the collection you mentioned. It is logical that two copies from the so-called special folder can refer to each other.
              2. mat-vey
                mat-vey 8 September 2019 06: 32 New
                +1
                "how did we and the Germans guess where to stop?" - So the Germans did not stop.
              3. Doctor
                Doctor 8 September 2019 08: 49 New
                +1
                so the Germans didn’t stop

                All the same, they stopped for 2 years. It was necessary to deal with England and France.
              4. mat-vey
                mat-vey 8 September 2019 08: 52 New
                0
                They just didn’t stop, then the command had to settle. They even shot at each other.
              5. Doctor
                Doctor 8 September 2019 09: 10 New
                0
                They just didn’t stop, then the command had to settle. They even shot at each other.

                The fact that at the level of battalions and regiments were carried away and crossed the established lines is natural, but at the highest level everything was determined - directive 16634 for the KOVO:
                "4. The boundary of our actions in depth is established - the right bank of the Vistula river from the mouth of the Veprs river to the mouth of the San river, the right bank of the San river from the mouth to its sources, then the new border of Hungary (formerly the border of Czechoslovakia with Poland), "the entire border with Romania. Our troops can’t advance through this line."
                And about the shooting - in the Second World War it happened that they shot at their own when they met when the environment was closed. In general, the relationship was good, on the newsreel it can be seen well:
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6gg1z5DovI
              6. mat-vey
                mat-vey 8 September 2019 09: 15 New
                0
                Well, they knew the Curzon line since the 20s. And yes, but what about the Brest Fortress itself?
              7. Doctor
                Doctor 8 September 2019 09: 26 New
                0
                And yet, yes, but where was the Brest Fortress itself?

                I do not understand the question. Brest quickly took the Germans. But then they passed it to us. Like Lviv.
              8. mat-vey
                mat-vey 8 September 2019 09: 47 New
                +1
                There it didn’t smell like a battalion and went over the line.
  7. Doctor
    Doctor 8 September 2019 21: 04 New
    0
    Well, so far they have not provided me with a single link to the publication of these documents by either the Ministry of Foreign Affairs

    Scans provided by the Historical and Documentary Department of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

    http://historyfoundation.ru/2019/05/31/pakt/

    Preface to the collection of V. Krasheninnikova
    "For the first time, the collection contains photographs of the Soviet original of the Non-Aggression Treaty and the secret supplementary protocol to it. For historians, this is a real event, since only their German options were still available. And there are discrepancies between the two options. The fact is that in 1939 "The text of the contracts was printed on typewriters without the use of carbon paper. The contract and protocol were printed four times, and this explains some of the technical discrepancies of the texts."

    http://historyfoundation.ru/2019/06/03/veronika-krasheninnikova-dogovor-o-nenapadenii-dlja-moskvy-byl-vynuzhdennym-shagom/
  8. KERMET
    KERMET 9 September 2019 07: 06 New
    0
    It’s only a pity that on the website of the Historical and Documentary Department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs
  9. Doctor
    Doctor 9 September 2019 10: 12 New
    0
    It’s only a pity that on the website of the Historical and Documentary Department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs


    Also from the preface to the collection:

    “We are deeply grateful to the Historical and Documentary Department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation and personally to the director of the department, Nadezhda Mikhailovna Barinova, for the documents provided, photographs of which are given in the book, and for valuable advice on understanding historical issues.”

    Still not an argument? Do you think the fake and Barinov will remain silent?
  10. KERMET
    KERMET 9 September 2019 10: 33 New
    0
    Quote: Arzt
    Still not an argument? Do you think the fake and Barinov will remain silent?

    I just don’t understand the logic of what is happening - why the publication of documents belonging to the Foreign Ministry was provided to some fund led by V. Krasheninnikova, when the information on the pact for 2009 was nothing more on the website of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs itself.
    And about the contents of a special folder - yes, I have a lot of doubts, it was too painful unexpectedly and appeared in the place in extremely troubled times.
    So answer yourself - because if the Communists decided to destroy all the originals of some document, why at the same time keep copies of it in some special folder? They are not friends with the head or what?
  • Igor Pa
    Igor Pa 7 September 2019 09: 28 New
    0
    And so it is done. First they let a rumor go, then they say on the radio and TV, then the deputy makes a report, then the bill and voila .....
  • knn54
    knn54 7 September 2019 08: 30 New
    +5
    It is appropriate to recall Gorbachev, who pleaded guilty to the USSR for Katyn. And this despite the fact that a documentary book was published in France that fully proved the Nazis' guilt.
    In the republics of the former USSR (with the exception of Belarus), the feat of the SOVIET people during WWII / WWII is practically hushed up.
    Although it would be surprising if President Yushchenko’s father was addicted to coffee in a German concentration camp.
    1. beeper
      beeper 7 September 2019 11: 30 New
      +2
      Not just the ersatz ersatz coffee that the German hard workers drank during the war, but “good German coffee,” according to the elder brother of the pseudo “deadly poisoned” oranzhoid-Peter, their “heroic” papachos in German captivity got used to!
      In addition, he made group escapes six or seven times from various concentration camps, after which his companions were caught and shot for all, and the "restless fugitive" Andrei the Nazis drank "good German coffee" and transferred to the next camp, from which he soon again " ran away "with a group of unfortunate Soviet prisoners of war, to be, after their execution, transferred to a new place, in the summer of 1942 (I write from memory) on his personal account were" earned "Reichsmarks and the Germans, in the camp file cabinet, he was already designated as an officer- " lieutenant"....
      For a year and a half of his, without a small, four-year “imprisonment” in the German archives, documents were never found at all (where it is said that in Travniki and Sobibor, together with Ivan Demyanyuk, the future famous executioner “Ivan the Terrible” and others , passed practical training in the butchering sciences ??! .. so that "the apple has not fallen far from the apple" ?!), how did he survive, no one knows ?! winked
    2. Doctor
      Doctor 7 September 2019 18: 59 New
      +2
      It is appropriate to recall Gorbachev, who pleaded guilty to the USSR for Katyn.

      If only Gorbachev ...
  • Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 7 September 2019 09: 09 New
    0
    I absolutely agree with the author. All emphasis is placed correctly.
  • Igor Pa
    Igor Pa 7 September 2019 09: 25 New
    0
    Or maybe the truth was a nuclear apocalypse about which all Ren-TV says. Short memory of humanity.
  • Egor-dis
    Egor-dis 7 September 2019 10: 26 New
    +4
    Because they are allowed to review the results of World Wars and history in general. Because there is no institute of historical memory in Russia, there are no criminal articles for trying to revise history, such as in Germany, for denying the Holocaust. There are no sanctions against states reviewing the results of wars and rehabilitating (or reviving) fascism. There are no sanctions against states cultivating Russophobia.
    Therefore, all kinds of Venediktovs, Svanidzas and other “Koli from Urengoy” appear in Russia, and in neighboring countries they organize Nazi torchlight processions, demolish monuments to Soviet soldiers-liberators and erect monuments to SS sheep.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 7 September 2019 12: 23 New
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      Colleague Egor hi , all this reminds me of the story with Insomnia of old Hvorobiev from the Golden Calf. Bender then said that in order to get rid of an ailment, it is necessary to remove the cause that causes this ailment. Those. change power. I personally now do not see either the party or the Leader who could change the power in our country. No matter how sad.
      1. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 8 September 2019 06: 27 New
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        I personally now do not see either the party or the Leader who could change the power in our country. No matter how sad. - Sea Cat (Constantine)

        "Nobody but Putin," Konstantin? You're not right!
        In the political field of capitalist Russia, by and large, there are now 2 political forces: 1) the bourgeoisie - Edros, LDPR, Fair Russia and other parties, including the spoiler parties created to wash away the electorate, and 2) workers fighting for social socialist transformations and justice are the Communists of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and the Left Movement, uniting the supporters of S. Udaltsov (Left Front), P. Grudinin, N. Platoshkin and others, consolidating around the Communist Party as the most massive organizational force.
        Yes, the Communist Party (for the most part G. Zyuganov himself) is criticized, including by supporters of the Left Movement, and is rightly doing, sometimes in a position that is compromising with the authorities, but basically everyone agrees with the proposed CPRF action program - social transformations in society and the state.
        The CPRF is the only parliamentary party constantly opposing anti-people’s laws dragged by bourgeois parties in the legislative bodies of power, both in the State Duma and in the regions.
        According to the "Leader" which seems to be absent as an iconic figure of the political opposition. In general, is it needed in modern conditions? And can it be? Most likely, the collective power of the Communist-Socialist party should be considered the “Leader”, and political candidates will unite around it, supporting the political candidates put forward by the Communist Party and the Left Movement. Around the Communist Party - because there is no other mass party, and attempts to create another such force only lead to a dispersal of forces and weakening of the socialist protest movement.
        So, there are forces — the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and their supporters in the Left Movement, and people who can lead the government for social transformations in society and the state.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 8 September 2019 10: 59 New
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          Vladimir, I didn’t mean Putin when I spoke about the leader. He and his "reforms" the country is fed up. You do not understand me. As for all kinds of pocket parties, I don’t see the Communists of the future, they have profiled a great country and led it to what we now have. In short, somehow it turns out.
          1. vladimirZ
            vladimirZ 8 September 2019 11: 55 New
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            As for all kinds of pocket parties, I don’t see the Communists of the future, they have profiled a great country and led it to what we now have. - Sea Cat (Constantine)

            "Profukali" are not communists, but partocrats - traitors who decided for the sake of their well-being to surrender the communist ideology, party and state. By the way, even before Gorbachev, starting with Andropov.
            Unfortunately, the socialist system was not protected from the traitors, it led the “faith” in the leaders, in the “Leader” whom you are looking for again, which the people blindly “believe”, irremovable cadres, party and state leaders.
            But this does not mean the perversity of the very idea of ​​socialism, but in the distant future of communism as such. Yes, and the human community has not yet come up with anything more reasonable than a socially just state and a society where the main thing will be a person, and not a "golden calf."
            And if we take the experience of socialism of the USSR, then such a state can be built. Yes, they built with errors, excesses, with the failure and destruction of the first socialist state (due to traitors), but in principle they did. Not protected, yes. And what, because of this, discard the very idea of ​​building such a socialist society?
            No, one must take into account the experience of the past, mistakes, and again build, revive the socially legal fair state. And the support, the leader of this revival, of new construction will only be the Communist Party of the Russian Federation (CPRF) with its supporters from the Left movement.
            There are simply no others; nobody else simply needs it. Others are bourgeois parties that are satisfied with the current situation, when a small handful of the rich live on the absolute majority of the poor and oppressed people.
            Or the Communist Party and their supporters of the Left Movement, calling for socialism, or the bourgeois and their parties with their capitalism, oppressing and enslaving the people. There is nothing else and never will be.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 8 September 2019 11: 57 New
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              You are right about Andropov — it was he who introduced Gorbachev to the political bureau.
              1. vladimirZ
                vladimirZ 8 September 2019 12: 17 New
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                Not only this. Recently I watched the video of the historian E. Spitsin "The Betrayal" plan of Andropov. Everything is clearly laid out there. Take a look at https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=117&v=wNayw_E7lIA
      2. Egor-dis
        Egor-dis 13 September 2019 17: 23 New
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        Quote: Sea Cat
        Bender then said that in order to get rid of an ailment, it is necessary to remove the cause that causes this ailment. Those. change power.

        You didn’t understand me correctly. In no way do I call for a change in power, system and so on ... For such movements are destructive in nature and do not lead to anything good. The countries of the near (and not so) foreign countries are an example of this.
        But here mere mortals learn to use the leverage of the existing system costs. Public organizations and parties of a (real) patriotic orientation, I apologize - like dogs not cut. Who is stopping them, for example, from creating an appeal and collecting signatures on the topics listed above? And with a sufficient number of these signatures, the appeal will have to be considered. And take action. Who prevents, besides, under the leadership of these organizations, legal / judicial trolling of the most odious "citizens of the world", demshiza and other liberds, stupidly bringing them to acute psychosis with subsequent hospitalization? In fact, relatively legitimate, the methods are full. There would be a desire to use them. But for some reason, desire is not noticeable.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 13 September 2019 17: 42 New
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          Good afternoon, Egor.

          Everyone understands everything as he sees, that’s your passage aroused certain sensations in me. All that you say about "legitimate methods" is true, but the whole question is how it works and whether it works at all. I know very well how the "elections" are held in our country, so what kind of legality can be discussed. And it’s not the election. Now there is no desire to get into a showdown of what the authorities have screwed up for at least the last ten years, already tired of it. I’m sitting here in a village and don’t participate in this whole metropolitan party, because it’s pointless, but the people here, as they say, all “from the plow” and I, the Muscovite, completely agree that “the fish rots from the head " A rotten fish is thrown away, even dogs will not eat it. hi
          1. Egor-dis
            Egor-dis 15 September 2019 17: 50 New
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            Good afternoon, Konstantin.
            Even if we proceed from the concept that "the fish rots from the head", the option of changing the system by "non-systemic" methods is unacceptable, because will not lead to anything good. In Ukraine, the system of Yanukovos was rotten. She was replaced. Who is better from this?
            The question “how well leverage works and whether they work at all” will remain open until you and all your villagers “from the plow” try to use these levers. Either yourself, or kick public organizations. Start with small questions, bend the system for yourself.
            Officials / deputies with the people are like partners in a marriage. You can endlessly change partners in the hope that you get close to ideal (meeting the requirements), or try to re-educate the existing one. The first is simpler, the second is more reliable.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 16 September 2019 00: 47 New
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              I have nothing to tell you in return, but wearing pink glasses will not work. hi
  • Vladimir Perelomov
    Vladimir Perelomov 7 September 2019 12: 21 New
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    Good day. It is unfortunate that a respected publication, slides down to the worst traditions of modern kissel shows. The article has a lot of unsubstantiated propaganda statements, on the principle of "enemies around." And the actual state of affairs in the country on the announced topic has not been analyzed. Today, in the country there is no consensus on many historical, important for the country, historical estimates. Including the fact of Stalin’s personality and the actions of the Red Army since the fall of 1939.
  • iouris
    iouris 7 September 2019 13: 06 New
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    My question is: "West" is who (addresses, passwords, appearances)? In the USSR, the leadership did not learn either the foundations of the official theory of building communism, or the historical lessons. The Russian people were split, sprayed, implanted false goals in their consciousness, deceived and maximally limited the development resource. Those who organize world wars, on the contrary, know the theory very well, have enormous resources and are able to use them to achieve their goals. Engels seems to be writing that the defeated armies are doing well. Learn.
  • Undecim
    Undecim 7 September 2019 14: 21 New
    +3
    The site has repeatedly put forward a proposal that the author should be indicated at the beginning of the article. Then, after reading the article “V. Kamenev” at the beginning of the article, it will be possible not to waste time reading campaign materials that are far from reality.
  • Tomich3
    Tomich3 7 September 2019 16: 17 New
    +4
    Our officials are successfully waging war against their own population and without the help of the "Western world."
  • APASUS
    APASUS 7 September 2019 19: 48 New
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    EVERYTHING is very sorry for the Bulgarians.
    The Bulgarian Foreign Ministry advised the Russian embassy not to support the “dubious thesis” that the Soviet Union liberated Eastern Europe by defeating Nazi Germany.
    1. businessv
      businessv 8 September 2019 17: 49 New
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      Quote: APASUS
      EVERYTHING is very sorry for the Bulgarians.

      Why bother them, colleague! This is their conscious choice, unfortunately. Living in Bulgaria has become much harder than before, but again this is their choice.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 8 September 2019 19: 26 New
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        Quote: businessv
        Why bother them, colleague! This is their conscious choice, unfortunately. Living in Bulgaria has become much harder than before, but again this is their choice.

        Everything is very complicated there. On the one hand, they remember who saved them from the Ottoman yoke and celebrate the capture of Shipka. On the other hand, they again succumb to the sweet promises of the West. But they are not needed there, or rather they are needed as a consumable, in opposition to Russians, as actually Ukrainians, Poles, Georgians
        1. businessv
          businessv 8 September 2019 23: 23 New
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          Quote: APASUS
          Everything is very complicated there.

          I agree 100%, colleague! Like everywhere else where mattresses climbed.
  • mikle1999
    mikle1999 7 September 2019 21: 58 New
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    Who would have thought that Russia was saved. This is some kind of a very wise opinion, because it seems to the surface observer that Russia is in a disaster. Regarding the subject of the article, I recommend that the author ask how many tanks, planes, bombs and shells remained in Germany after two weeks of war with Poland (when the USSR entered the war on the side of Hitler) and at the same time compare with the analogous figures of the war with the USSR
  • gregoryivanov
    gregoryivanov 8 September 2019 05: 51 New
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    It is imperative that the Pilsudski-Hitler Pact and its consequences for the whole world be included as a separate chapter in school books. So that, as soon as the Pshek hint at the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, any of our people immediately reasonably shut the smelly mouths of Pshek.
  • businessv
    businessv 8 September 2019 17: 46 New
    -1
    Long time ago I didn’t come here, I went in, my colleagues are still pleased, most of them did not change their worldviews and did not change their shoes in the air, but bulk bots appeared. It is a pity that earlier it was possible to leave a comment without them, now you have to filter the ratings. smile
  • Jager
    Jager 9 September 2019 07: 13 New
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    Horses mixed up in a bunch, people ... What is the article about in the end?