Media: New B-21 US bomber will be able to fight fighters

The latest promising American stealth bomber B-21 Raider, designed to replace the entire existing bomber fleet aviation The US Air Force will most likely be able to shoot down enemy fighters. This is written in an article for Air Force Magazine, Major General Scott L. Pleus, reports Naked Science

In his article on a promising American bomber, Major General said that the B-21 will have new ways of self-defense and that he will be able to use air-to-air missiles, which will probably help him in the fight against enemy fighters when performing combat tasks. Earlier, the U.S. Air Force noted that the B-21 Raider is a long-range aircraft with enhanced survival capabilities in combat, able to penetrate into the area guarded by enemy air defense systems and carry out strategically important missions.

The B-21 aircraft is a new-generation strategic bomber for the US Air Force, which in the future should replace all aircraft of this class that are in service: B-1B, B-2 and B-52H aircraft. The new bomber is designed according to the "flying wing" scheme, it will be subtle and subsonic. Most likely, to reduce the cost of the design, the combat radius and the number of weapons on board will be reduced. The cost of one B-21 is expected in the region of 500 million dollars.

Its exact dimensions have not yet been disclosed, but it is known that it will be smaller than the American "strategist" B-2 and larger than the deck drone UCLASS project.

As the Deputy Chief of Staff of the United States Air Force, General Stephen Wilson, stated, the first flight of a promising bomber will take place at Edwards Air Force Base in California in early December 2021.

The US Air Force command expects that the first B-21 Raider bombers will go into service in the middle of the 2020's. According to available information, it is planned to purchase at least one hundred new aircraft, which should gradually replace the outdated strategic bombers of the US Air Force.

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[Alien From]

Mattresses will still print money and everything, and the whole world in debt will become even more dirty, though they themselves too.

[Kontrik]

Quote: Alien From

Mattresses will still print money and everything, and the whole world in debt will become even more dirty, though they themselves too.

While dollar bills are officially. The world currency .. Then these monsters are the next USA, we build and finance them with the whole world .. So that they then bomb us .. (if someone is against "US democracy))))
Russia was the first to say NO to this hegemony! Well, the persecution began from all sides. You’re not taking a lie, gentlemen, we don’t get used to wet!

[Alien From]

Hit the point!

[Leeds]

They won’t succeed. Stolen as always, make a suck that will not fly. We are still discussing its shortcomings here, but in this (in knowledge of the shortcomings of the enemy's equipment it means, what did you think?) We have no equal!

[regulus]

Stolen as always, make a suck that will not fly.

This is for you, in the Russian Federation, to be stolen and sucked: Tu-334, Su-80, MiG-AT, MiG-35, Angara, Clipper, etc., but everything is different there.

[Borz]

What are you grinding? They, in the Russian Federation, as you say, "stole" on the world's best air defense systems, on hypersonic weapons, on armored vehicles with breakthrough technologies, on laser systems and, in general, on a large-scale rearmament of the army .... Why are you throwing some kind of substance on the fan?

[regulus]

the best air defense systems in the world, for hypersonic weapons, for armored vehicles with breakthrough technologies, for laser systems

Empty words. What are the best air defense systems? Facts where? Laser systems in the troops of China, USA. And what kind of breakthrough technology in armored vehicles does the Russian Federation have? The limousine of the president, probably ...

[Borz]

Some category of people to which you belong is not worth proving ANYTHING, for it is pointless. Read technical literature, follow the news, keep track of new contracts, analyze, finally, if you can.

[regulus]

Why is it pointless? I am quite adequate, but you have a sir, there is no evidence, so you do not disdain capitalization.

[Leeds]

This is for you, in the Russian Federation ...

If a person takes everything literally, then he is either 4-6 years old, or if he is an adult, he is very dumb. So in which country, you say, are such problems with primary education?

[Kontrik]

Quote: Alien From

Hit the point!

For this I "suffer" here .. They shoot constantly ...
These are the things in the western armored divisions ..

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Kontrik

Quote: Alien From

Hit the point!

For this I "suffer" here .. They shoot constantly ...
These are the things in the western armored divisions ..

Mihan, you suffer from populism, weathervanism, alarmism and sloganism ....

[Runoway]

Russia was the first to say NO to this hegemony!

Tell that to Yugoslavia, Iran, Iraq, Libya, DPRK ........ Said "no" by investing in their economy or giving birth to children of the elite there for citizenship?

[Mountain shooter]

Another prodigy ... Indestructible, indistinguishable, deadly for fighters, and other and other, and other ... They would have written fantastic novels ...

[poquello]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Another prodigy ... Indestructible, indistinguishable, deadly for fighters, and other and other, and other ... They would have written fantastic novels ...

and if he binds two buckets on a chain - it will compete with Be200

[Tusv]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Indestructible, indistinguishable, deadly for fighters, and other and other, and other ...

But stay away from Russian air defense systems. Here only CAATSA somehow works until everyone has put the bolt.
And so. We’ll look. Spirit (B-2 Spirit) for 2 + 1 (upgrade apiece) gigabytes cannot fight fighters, and the castrated Ryder is in vain for a pitot of megabytes of mogets. I do not believe
Especially with Our Special Forces Air Defense - Mig 31, with a destruction range of 300 and fighting. Damn they will have nothing to bomb

[Tusv]

Quote: regulus

Russian air defense systems are quietly silent when the Israeli Air Force bombes Hezbollah in Syria.

I still did not understand when the Israeli plane hid for ours and we lost 20 high-class specialists, what Bibi would pay us, but Turok clearly understood that Russia had to pay a lot for two pilots + marines. I hope the BB pay no less

[Tuzik]

Judging by the price it is like a cropped version of the B-2 is obtained. On sale like the 35th?

[Magic archer]

I read this idea a long time ago. Even in 70, Americans tried to arm their bombers with air-to-air missiles. But it didn’t work out. By the way, if he is stealth, what will happen when rockets are launched? He will then lose his invisibility! In short, there are more questions than answers.

[Tuzik]

Well, if he has to launch a rocket into a fighter, then he must have been found

[sedoj]

Quote: Tuzik

Well, if he has to launch a rocket into a fighter, then he must have been found

Yes, no ... Fighter, like, must fly by. And then he followed on, with a rocket. This is just in case. And suddenly the truth - will bring down. But seriously, I think that bombers will not fly without cover, especially subsonic ones. So these missiles may not come to anything.

[Tusv]

Quote: Tuzik

Well, if he has to launch a rocket into a fighter, then he must have been found

No. There is a deep American thought that Stealth will detect the enemy earlier and launch missiles to defeat and fly on. Yeah subsonic huge pepelats will destroy supersonic, but small. We have it from 2x to 3 M. I would like to see it in IKO. Well released and died. before the Runner’s missiles reach the interceptor.
What can I say. Yankees are degrading

[SHOPPING MALL]

Quote: Magic Archer

I read this idea a long time ago. Even in 70, Americans tried to arm their bombers with air-to-air missiles. But it didn’t work out. By the way, if he is stealth, what will happen when rockets are launched? He will then lose his invisibility! In short, there are more questions than answers.

1. You can detect the OLS, and the rocket itself with ARLGSN with AFAR.
2. You can turn on the radar in LPI mode.
3. You can turn on the radar when there is a chance, when you are already detected.

[Ka-52]

AVM (Andrey Mitrofanov)
1. You can detect the OLS, and the rocket itself with ARLGSN with AFAR.
2. You can turn on the radar in LPI mode.
3. You can turn on the radar when there is a chance, when you are already detected.

1. the detection range in the faculty of the OSS does not exceed 25-30 miles. Guidance even less
2. LPI mode does not exceed a range of 35 miles and is affected by information interference
3. When a bomber is discovered, it’s too late for its crew to drink Borjomi.

[Mooh]

Elementary, Archer! It will throw down the rocket from the bomb-gate, with the start of its engine in a couple of seconds.

[usr01]

Well, wait and see ...
How he (o) will beat off from 2-3 fighters ...
And then we'll "think" ...

[Mooh]

It doesn’t beat off, it’s technically impossible. The idea is to intercept single-range long-range missiles of the S-300-400 type and / or drive away an enemy fighter from the bombers.

[SHOPPING MALL]

Speaking about the combat aircraft of the future, one cannot fail to mention two promising projects. First of all, it is a promising American strategic bomber B-21 Raider. Its predecessor, the B-2 bomber, which is being developed in complete secrecy, brought to the world of aviation a record low effective dispersion area (EPR) for such a huge machine. It is possible that the B-21 that is being developed to replace it will also contain any breakthrough solutions. For example, it can be equipped with defensive laser weapons and the ability to destroy enemy aircraft using a powerful airborne radar with AFAR and long-range V-V missiles. If these capabilities are realized, the B-21 Raider will conceptually be close to the appearance of a promising combat aircraft, discussed in this article (defensive aircraft, large ammunition).

https://topwar.ru/161314-koncept-boevogo-samoleta-2050-goda-i-oruzhie-na-novyh-fizicheskih-principah.html

Maybe they will deliver lasers, but for sure a powerful radar with AFAR.

[Tusv]

Quote: AVM

Maybe they will deliver lasers, but for sure a powerful radar with AFAR.

Song V. Syutkin from the early Phone - Liner.
Listen up

And with this rubbish. U ... We will try to quietly take off

Chim will bomb The range is less, the armament is less, but the BB missiles are larger. Do they even reach the borders of an attack on the Russian Federation?
Although. The Yankees probably understood that Russia could not be scared by a global disarming strike, but quite the contrary, it was necessary to tremble more distinctly. But then the rest of the other countries and then the American doctrine works - Russia cannot be defeated, but the rest of the world can be defeated

[SHOPPING MALL]

Quote: Tusv

Quote: AVM

Maybe they will deliver lasers, but for sure a powerful radar with AFAR.

Song V. Syutkin from the early Phone - Liner.
Listen up

And with this rubbish. U ... We will try to quietly take off

Chim will bomb The range is less, the armament is less, but the BB missiles are larger. Do they even reach the borders of an attack on the Russian Federation?
Although. The Yankees probably understood that Russia could not be scared by a global disarming strike, but quite the contrary, it was necessary to tremble more distinctly. But then the rest of the other countries and then the American doctrine works - Russia cannot be defeated, but the rest of the world can be defeated

A normal bomber has several tens of tons of load. 4-8 missiles in the SD are just 1-4 tons, another 4-8 MD, this is also 1 ton. So what? Will heavy ammunition decrease?

Listen to Syutkin, I’ll manage somehow.

In addition to the RF goals are complete. And by the way, what will they bring down abroad? Nuclear bomb? Which here one comrade offers for any occasion.

[Tusv]

Quote: AVM

A normal bomber has several tens of tons of load. 4-8 missiles in the SD are just 1-4 tons, another 4-8 MD, this is also 1 ton. So what? Will heavy ammunition decrease?

Castration B-2 Spirit. Yankee is proud. Each bomber, unlike the White Swan, has a State Name. We have the name of the Hero of Russia or the USSR.
So
We consider
B-2, less? - Less, Bomb loading less? Smaller. Refueling Less? Smaller.
You put in a radar there to detect interceptors - minus the bomb load, screw the V-B rockets - minus the bomb load.
I repeat. What will they attack? And the air defense of the Russian Federation, like that Mashenka - don’t eat one horseradish pie

[SHOPPING MALL]

Quote: Tusv

Quote: AVM

A normal bomber has several tens of tons of load. 4-8 missiles in the SD are just 1-4 tons, another 4-8 MD, this is also 1 ton. So what? Will heavy ammunition decrease?

Castration B-2 Spirit. Yankee is proud. Each bomber, unlike the White Swan, has a State Name. We have the name of the Hero of Russia or the USSR.
So
We consider
B-2, less? - Less, Bomb loading less? Smaller. Refueling Less? Smaller.
You put in a radar there to detect interceptors - minus the bomb load, screw the V-B rockets - minus the bomb load.
I repeat. What will they attack?

There is also a radar on the B-2.
Dimensions are not exactly known.
As for the castrated, this is a controversial statement.
The fuel efficiency of engines is unknown.
The bombs became smaller, but more precisely.

The main task in the design of the B-21 is to make the car less whimsical, less expensive to operate than the B-2, and at the same time no less efficient and more multifunctional. How come - let's see.

PS What is the name of it?

[Tusv]

Quote: AVM

There is also a radar on the B-2.

Have you seen the Thirty-first Mig on the radar? Palyu. One scan, two and no. 30 sec Who will you shoot at? In the white light, like a pretty penny?

As for the castrated, this is a controversial statement.

2 + 1 lard versus 500 million. Yozhik understands that "Chinese"

B-21 make the car less whimsical, less expensive to operate,

What difference does it make if they see them in Russian air defense? You at least get tired, but until the Americans came up with a means of attack radiolucent, then they are targets, like in a dash
Therefore dogma Russia cannot be defeated, the rest of the world is easy

[Novikov]

Quote: Tusv

What difference does it make if they see them in Russian air defense? You at least get tired, but until the Americans came up with a means of attack radiolucent, then they are targets, like in a dash

Yes, it doesn’t see the trick, but what it sees is rockets unable to direct.
Stealth is so ineffective as Su57 and the pack as well as stealth ??

Quote: Tusv

2 + 1 lard versus 500 million. Yozhik understands that "Chinese"

so what? Unification sir, it’s true that in Russia with 100500 models of tanks and a milenne of modifications of astronauts this is not understood.

[Ka-52]

A normal bomber has several tens of tons of load. 4-8 missiles in the SD are just 1-4 tons, another 4-8 MD, this is also 1 ton. So what? Will heavy ammunition decrease?

aha, and suspension points where in internal compartments? or spit on a stealth and hang it on the underwing pylons?

[KCA]

Don't tell Zoltan Dani about it, otherwise you’ll suddenly be knocked down and scared

[Avior]

With the advent of explosive missiles with full-spherical launch and target capture after launch, as well as missiles with radio command correction and ARGSn, the maneuverability requirements for attacking the enemy sharply decreased and it is natural that explosives will appear on bombers.
М
The point is to make a maneuverable aircraft, if the rocket can be fired at least backward.
The radar, I think, is already quite good there, they will add a full-sphere OLS as on f-35, and he will be able to fight.
Missile maneuver, like a fighter, will be difficult for him to perform, to put it mildly, it will load, they will add a reb for this, the place allows

[SHOPPING MALL]

Quote: Avior

With the advent of explosive missiles with full-spherical launch and target capture after launch, as well as missiles with radio command correction and ARGSn, the maneuverability requirements for attacking the enemy sharply decreased and it is natural that explosives will appear on bombers.
М
The point is to make a maneuverable aircraft, if the rocket can be fired at least backward.
The radar, I think, is already quite good there, they will add a full-sphere OLS as on f-35, and he will be able to fight.
Missile maneuver, like a fighter, will be difficult for him to perform, to put it mildly, it will load, they will add a reb for this, the place allows

+ It’s quite realistic to carry a large ammunition load and throw missiles at the enemy, something like F-15X with a bunch of in-in missiles and at the same time F-22 with invisibility.

+ a powerful radar, if they don’t deliver something ready, then the area of ​​its canvas can be huge compared to fighter radars, and this is energy and electronic warfare

+ separately powerful electronic warfare

+ If lasers are going to put lasers on fighters, helicopters, transporters and UAVs, then God himself ordered such an advanced plane. Even if they don’t immediately deliver, at the time of release, they will constructively lay the possibility of an upgrade, and this is the possibility of intercepting missiles in and out of the enemy.

+ missiles such as CUDA.

So hit him. No, well, judging by the number of caps in the subject, the B-21 will be shot down at the production stage.

[Ka-52]

So hit him. No, well, judging by the number of caps in the subject, the B-21 will be shot down at the production stage.

Well, your imagination is also not far from hats, dear namesake

[Ka-52]

The point is to make a maneuverable aircraft, if the rocket can be fired at least backwards

.
This is a common mistake.

Missile defense, as a fighter, it will be difficult for him to perform

why are you even discussing this topic? It seems always reasoned reasoned. The task of protecting the bombers lies with the escort. Self-defense for heavy and low-maneuverable aircraft of 50-60 tons is a nonsense that you still have to look for. Whatever you arm it, without escorting the bomber after detection, it will be shot down with a very high probability. This is an objective fact.

[Avior]

These are strategists, no fighter will have enough combat radius support.
So they put protection on them, which they can. Previously, they just set advanced advanced and traps, now suitable rockets have appeared.
Of course, they will not conduct air battles with enemy fighters, this is unrealistic.
Rockets set for self-defense and nothing more.
Moreover, modern melee missiles allow large overloads and can very well be used against distant dawns. Recently, the appearance of a thick missile in the s-400 was actively discussed, long-range missiles of the Mig-31 have long-range missiles, and both of these modern missiles such as Where are quite capable of intercepting.
You just need to add a suitable control and aiming system. The radar on the V-2 is very advanced, I think it will be no worse on the V-21, they will add the radar as on the f-35-ready self-defense system.
No one will give guarantees, of course, but life will make life difficult for fighters.

[Ka-52]

These are strategists, no fighter will have enough combat radius support.
So they put protection on them, which they can.

firstly, the task of strategists to go to the frontiers of launches and shoot ammunition. There are two tricks for this: stealth and / or speed. Secondly, a large target will allow it to be identified and captured long before the attacking interceptor itself enters the zone of the bomber’s weapon control system. Thirdly, of course, no one canceled the passive and active opposition to the attack by the bomber. But counting on the effectiveness of these measures is quite difficult.

[Avior]

They have free-falling bombs, what is the launch line?
They put a full-fledged radar for intense combat, read
https://m.vz.ru/news/2019/9/5/996268.html

[Avior]

It doesn’t mean that he will fly to the goal, fighting off all the way.
Well, you discovered it from the ground, launched a rocket, and he shot it down, and went to extremely low altitudes.
And you will see from the cockpit zrk that he was shot down.
As an option

[Momotomba]

I heard about guns and machine guns on strategists. But rockets ... Is this even the first attempt in the world? Or is there experience? Doesn’t it turn out that he will be able to shoot down planes and bomb equally badly?

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Momotomba

Is this the first attempt in the world? Or is there experience?

is available. The same amers.

[Momotomba]

And as a result? In the series went or prototypes?

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Momotomba

In the series went or prototypes?

in the series did not go. But the concept has not changed. And why should it change? Can you offer something better?

They had overseas research and development work there, which reached the stage of testing, as far back as 60 years ago, and what about us?

[Momotomba]

Honestly, I can’t offer anything because of my absolute unpreparedness in this matter ... And why is there such a violent reaction right away? Just asked about the results.

[Grigory_45]

Thank you for the cons. I knew that for adequate, broadening the horizons of the comments you need to put cons. This is so adequate)

[Zhan]

Subsonic, able to probably deal with fighters, with a reduced combat load.
Yes, even according to the scheme of the wing.
Well, I don’t know what they will get out of this. The likelihood of maneuvering is excluded. Use long-range missiles, but launching a rocket, he himself was lit. The fighter maneuverability and response speed are an order of magnitude higher. Moreover, a reduced bomb load. This is more of a pull on the attack aircraft, or at least a front-line bomber with a long range. Well, let's see what kind of Frankenstein it will be ...

[lucul]

This is more of a pull on the attack aircraft, or at least a front-line bomber with a long range.

Our UAV Hunter will be better)))

[voyaka uh]

The hunter is exactly the same. With all the advantages and disadvantages
similar design.

[lucul]

The hunter is exactly the same.

Yeah - and also with a value of 500 million $ as B-21? )))

[voyaka uh]

No, many times cheaper, of course.
But he is not a strategic bomber. The Hunter has other tasks.
They have a common scheme: a stealth-flying tailless tail.

[SHOPPING MALL]

Quote: lucul

This is more of a pull on the attack aircraft, or at least a front-line bomber with a long range.

Our UAV Hunter will be better)))

There is neither one nor the other, but ours is better. Especially considering that these are cars of completely different classes.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Zhan

Well, I don’t know what they can do

What's the problem? By the way, the same opportunity was declared for our PAK DA, they wanted to put anti-missiles (in the future) on the Tu-160 and Tu-95.

I don’t see a problem, so that the bomber could not defend itself from fighters or SAMs. What is the problem then? All-round explosive rocket, all-round visibility in infrared and radar - all that is needed. It is already now. And any fighter will have a hard time, no longer before the battle, when a pair of missiles flies at you. Here you yourself would dodge them, not like attacking a toothy bomber.

[Lord of the Sith]

Media: New B-21 US bomber will be able to fight fighters

In Hollywood, even with aliens, not blowing his nose)))

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

My friend Petya is the champion of everything in the world. (Dune)

[Mordor]

As always, Napoleonic plans, but in reality it turns out only fu.

[Momotomba]

Explain to the amateur, good people!
But do not you have to turn off all the transmitters that broadcast on the air in order to remain invisible? This is me about radar detection, guidance, tracking and other subtleties?
It will not turn out that it is the radar of the BB missiles that will give out the location of the stealth aircraft?

[voyaka uh]

The location of the stealth can radar illumination released
them rockets. But before that, fighters must spot the stealth. And if you spotted,
then it’s too late for him to calm down - we must fight.

[Tusv]

Not well. To account for the spent, all the way to the US Congress , until we put the national air defense systems to everyone and put them into the world missile defense. Clear pen for protection against aliens

[voyaka uh]

This is because there are all-angle explosives and circular
radar and infrared surveillance from an airplane. Rocket will deploy in
direction of the enemy’s aircraft and will fly to capture the target.
Bomber can’t do abrupt anti-missile maneuvers,
but he’ll succeed in shooting with dignity.

[Tusv]

Quote: voyaka uh

This is because there are all-angle explosives and circular
radar and infrared surveillance from an airplane.

Both on. And National Interest ascribes such weapons to the T-50, as a pioneer. Surprising yes? By the way, the Su-57 is an amazing little thing, the only thing I can charm it with is that it hid in the Sun twice on the MAX. What got up there - no one noticed

[Tuzik]

If a rocket is launched at 180, how much energy will it lose on a U-turn? About half the range will it eat?

[voyaka uh]

There are two rows of gas rudders working sideways.
The main engine is muted
gas rudders rotate it 180 degrees.
Then it accelerates again
up to full speed marching engine.
This is usually done immediately after separation from the aircraft, but you can
and in flight.

[Tuzik]

If the engine is muffled, this is certainly a plus, but it still loses energy, after all, it is not dumped from a standing plane. As I understand it, there are no tablets with the range of the rocket depending on the angle of its rotation yet?

[voyaka uh]

So tablets with the usual range of missiles are very
approximate. For explosive rockets they mean how much
minutes able to work the marching engine.
From here, the average speed is calculated range.
Therefore, combat use is usually half of the maximum
range. Until now, in combat conditions only
short-range (up to 15 km) and medium-range (up to 60 km) missiles.
Moreover, medium-range launched no more than 30 km.
Long-range explosive missiles have never been put into practice.

[Proton]

Subsonic aircraft with a destroyer? they didn’t mistake times there. Or is it just a democrat-bearer.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Proton

Subsonic aircraft with a destroyer?

why not? The plane is subsonic, but the rocket is very supersonic and maneuverable. The bomber will not get involved in a dog landfill, as you thought, he will shoot rockets

This is understandable even to the layman.

[Piramidon]

The new U.S. B-21 bomber will be able to fight with fighters

Also me, the news. For a hundred years, bombers have been putting weapons to combat fighters.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Piramidon

For a hundred years, bombers have been putting weapons to combat fighters.

is this a stern cannon launcher then? Well, maybe from piston fighters a la World War II. And that is not a fact.

No need to be so stupid, by golly ...

[UAZ 452]

One thing pleases: the bomber will be subsonic, so fighters will have a chance to escape from this Shaitan-pepelats. If they notice him, of course. But if the Yankees succeed in raising their speed, then in general the pipe - I can imagine how flocks of fighters flee in all directions from the bomber chasing them. Horror. I’ll go get a drop of valerian, or I’m already excited.

[Grigory_45]

The B-21 will have new methods of self-defense and will be able to use air-to-air missiles

less than 60 years have passed. Such antimissiles were to be seriously included in the self-defense means of the supersonic strategist "Valkyrie", for defense against fighters and missiles. The plane died, the missiles also died. And the idea was very interesting, and no less interesting - the antimissiles themselves. In the form of a "flying saucer"

[Avior]

back then it was very difficult to shoot a rocket

[Grigory_45]

look at the Pye Wetket project. Super-maneuverable melee missiles. The project included the Valkyrie BC for defense against enemy fighters and SAM

Technically, everything was possible.

The missiles turned out to be too complicated, the studies dragged on, and soon the Valkyrie bomber was completely abandoned. There was no place for missiles either, short-sighted, but good for us.

Everything new is well forgotten old, but for someone - and "rediscovered"

Just imagine - going, and its implementation, was proposed 60 years ago!

[Avior]

Google doesn’t find the Pai Weather project, can you give me a link?

The Valkyrie was supposed to fly at high speeds m = 3, at which the use of such missiles would be difficult, and how were they going to direct them?
I have not found anywhere else about such a project

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Avior

can you give a link?

https://raigap.livejournal.com/256742.html

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_Pye_Wacket

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pye_Wacket

[Avior]

Thank. Interesting information. Now I also found a link in the English-language wiki article on the project.
The project is very unusual, I think in those years he had no chance of implementation, and now.
Now everyone decided otherwise

And about the very idea of ​​arming a bomber with BB missiles, I think the idea hung in the air, only there were no suitable missiles

[Rwmos]

An old topic - it has long been suggested that a bomber be loaded with long-range missiles - he will drag them more away - here you have the interceptor.
It didn’t take off because the bomber is shining more than any other fighter, plus in passive mode it will not see anything - but in active mode - what if it’s stealth if it has a radar around it like a waving light? One of the two - either invented something, or hang noodles on the ears of their Pentagon and diligently saw it. Knowing the penguin MIC - 90% for the second option

[Kenxnumx]

And what previously bombers could not use missiles - air-to-air?

[Avior]

very difficult.
previously it was necessary to direct the nose at the enemy, for a bomber against a fighter the task is unrealistic
not now, new rockets have appeared

[abc_alex]

Wouldn't it be necessary now? Or did you decide that the shtatovites will hang AFAR canvases around the entire perimeter of the aircraft? As before, the new bomber will have a forward-downward "field of view", and "see something" in all other azimuths and angles. And as before, fighters will enter the bomber from an inconvenient azimuth, somehow, from behind, from below, from the side, where this "stealth" will shine like a Christmas tree and blind like a mole.
The radar field of an airplane cannot be spherical.
And the fact that a rocket in theory can fly back after a start does not cancel the fact that a couple of rockets from a fighter will fly to the bomb during its turn.

But the idea is really not new.

[Avior]

They want to put a full-fledged radar for air combat.
And the power of the reb.
If they put a full-spherical ols, like on f-35, it will be possible to use missiles for self-defense.
https://m.vz.ru/news/2019/9/5/996268.html

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Ken71

And what previously bombers could not use missiles - air-to-air?

name at least one "strategist" who could?

[vvnab]

Are Wunderwaffe Times Coming? )))

[Grigory_45]

Quote from vvnab

Are Wunderwaffe Times Coming? )))

they have long come. Thanks to the development (and cost reduction) of electronics. Now it’s possible that 15 years ago it seemed fantastic

[Karaul14]

Well this is not declared as its main task, it is primarily a bomber, just an opportunity will be, just in case.

[Karabas]

The cost of one B-21 is expected in the region of 500 million dollars.

How is that? When Reagan 2bn bombers were worth, maybe the Chinese will collect them? 1 to them, 2 to themselves, 1 to us.

[Denimax]

The idea itself is not bad. Every bomber will pull more than a fighter. This also applies to means of detection and armament, also the range is longer and the time of barrage. Perhaps they will try to launch it from the aircraft carrier, apparently it was not in vain that they reduced the size and switched to an electromagnetic catapult. A dozen of these bombers can replace the entire wing.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Denimax

The idea itself is not bad.

this is not in dispute

Quote: Denimax

Every bomber will pull more than a fighter.

on the combat load and the mass of radio equipment - no doubt

Quote: Denimax

A dozen of these bombers can replace the entire wing.

will not be able to. The proposed option is for self-defense, and not as an interceptor. In order for the bomber to play the role of an interceptor, it has only cons in its assets. But he can defend himself, moreover, nowadays, not only passively (with the help of electronic warfare), but also actively - by launching short-range missiles that can bring down enemy missiles, or even the fighter himself, if the pilot cuts open and goes on the attack with using a gun or ur explosive melee.

And this is a multiple increase in the bomber's chances of survival.

[Denimax]

The term interceptor means that someone will have to chase someone. A bomb with explosives does not need to do this. It is enough for him to be in the area of ​​the possible appearance of enemy aircraft, to be on alert cover. While his other brothers are working on the ground.

[Rostislav Bely]

All these attempts with the B-21 Raider are reminiscent of a joke - Stanislavsky and Nemirovich argued who would shout louder “I don’t believe!”, And were so carried away that they forgot what they were arguing about.

[Plague doctor]

And ours will create a plane even better, naturally in a piece and as usual has no world analogues

[Monar]

able to penetrate into an area guarded by enemy air defense systems,

And for what? Do Americans have long-range missiles? Only bombs left?

[maden.usmanow]

Usually a bomb has more explosives

[Grigory_45]

Quote: maden.usmanow

Usually a bomb has more explosives

only a bomb, unlike a missile, needs to be dropped in the enemy’s air defense zone

[rocket757]

When it WILL be capable ... but simply, when it WILL, already the fighters will fight against such pepelats in a new way!
An old song, if only if, but in fact, nothing stands still, and even weapons are developing at an accelerated pace!
Here is HE, OUR WORLD!

[Grigory_45]

Quote: rocket757

fighters will fight against such pepelats in a new way!

for example, how? Bringing them down with the thought of a pilot?

Quote: rocket757

Old song

you can’t even imagine how old. She is over 60 years old ...

[rocket757]

Quote: Gregory_45

for example, how? Bringing them down with the thought of a pilot?

Why not? Who knows what our "tadpoles" and foreign ones can come up with!

Quote: Gregory_45

you can’t even imagine how old. She is over 60 years old ...

But this is fundamentally wrong .... this song has been going on since the time when a person began to think connected! Just added to it new "couplets" as the "development" of a person, society .... something like that!

[Ros 56]

This is a coffin on wheels, already all so triangular and quite large. It can be enriched if all of it for scrap.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Ros 56

This is a coffin on wheels, as much as such a triangular

Hunter and PAK YES reminds, huh?

[Ros 56]

Type this:

[Pavel57]

There is little stealth, there are few jamming stations and false targets, you give them "in-in" missiles.
Where are the lasers?

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Pavel57

Where are the lasers?

in work. But combat lasers have more minuses than pluses, at least when acting in the atmosphere of the Earth

[Homer_J_Simpson]

".... Probably just ......". Chic approach

[Mavrikiy]

The new bomber is designed according to the "flying wing" scheme, it will be stealthy and subsonic. Most likely, to reduce the cost of the design, the combat radius and the number of weapons on board will be reduced. The cost of one B-21 is expected to be around $ 500 million.

Shaw for nonsense? combat radius and amount of weapons will be reduced We will reduce the number of weapons, and air-to-air missiles will appear. Or missiles are not bombs, you can hang them as much as you want. Sowing for 500 lyam in the USA - I do not believe it!

Replace all indoor vehicles of this class in service: B-1B, B-2 and B-52H aircraft.

and he will be open?

[Monar]

Cabriolet.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Mavrikiy

A plane for 500 Lyamov in the USA - I do not believe it!

I don’t believe in it either. For the rest, it’s quite for myself.

Quote: Mavrikiy

Replace all indoor vehicles of this class in service: B-1B, B-2 and B-52H aircraft.
and he will be open?

and you finished this on your own? Where is this in the article? Although it does not shine, in every sense, but found nothing similar.

[Mavrikiy]

"Now I will give up everything and will finish writing" (from an anecdote)

I did not find anything similar.

how to help? I hope you can read. Then eye drops: Vitabac or Tobrex should help. Although there may still be scattered attention, here I am .......

[g1washntwn]

$ 500 million - to put it mildly, too optimistic.
As a stealth fighter, it is untenable, and as a platform for explosive missiles, it is too expensive.
I admit a couple of BB databases for self-defense in separate compartments (just do not push them into dimensions anymore), but no more. Not that concept, absolutely.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: g1washntwn

and as a platform for explosive missiles comes too expensive.

mine, a hundred times said, and the article says - not a missile platform for weapons of class B-B, but a strategist who can defend himself with melee missiles. Is it really incomprehensible?

Quote: g1washntwn

I admit a couple of BB databases for self-defense in separate compartments (just do not push them into dimensions anymore), but no more. Not that concept, absolutely.

Of course, you have a completely different concept. There are a lot of melee missiles in the bomber; in terms of functionality, they are something like KAZ milking armored vehicles. so clear?

[g1washntwn]

Take the dimensions of the sidewinder or ASRAAM in relation to the expected performance characteristics of the B-21 and "be assured". In order for him to get hold of a more or less sane defense potential, he will need to fill the bomb bay with these missiles to the eyeballs or use external pylons, which, as we understand it, is futile. Therefore, 2 sidewinders (to shoot yourself) and no more. And to the question of misunderstanding, KAZ actually works practically near armor, so your comparison, to put it mildly, is unsuccessful and unconvincing.