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In Malaysia, confirmed the start of negotiations on the purchase of a batch of MiG-35

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Malaysia is already negotiating with Russia on the possible acquisition of Russian MiG-35 fighters. At the same time, a scheme with the exchange of obsolete fighters for new ones is also considered. About this in an interview with RIA News"said Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad.


In Malaysia, confirmed the start of negotiations on the purchase of a batch of MiG-35


According to the Prime Minister of Malaysia, Kuala Lumpur is in talks with Russia to upgrade its fleet of fighter aircraft. aviation, including the issue of the return to Russia of obsolete Russian MiG-29N aircraft and the purchase of the latest MiG-35 instead. At the same time, negotiations are still preliminary and all possible options for acquiring a batch of Russian fighters, including the provision of credit, are being considered.

A loan would be very useful, but you need to consider that the interest on the loan is low, as well as repayments. It’s difficult to sell old planes, so we should seriously consider the proposal that old planes could be returned

- said Mahathir Mohamad.

According to him, preliminary negotiations were held not with the Russian government, but with company representatives. Currently, everything depends on the funds available for the purchase.

There were negotiations, but not with the Russian government, but with companies. We are studying their proposal for the return of old MiGs and the purchase of new MiG-35 models, but even in this case we will have to pay a large amount. And Malaysia is not a country that spends a lot of money on defense (...) Negotiations continue

- he explained.

Earlier it was reported that Russian President Vladimir Putin sent a special representative to Malaysia, who should negotiate with the local leadership to intensify military-technical cooperation between the countries.

Rostec’s spokesman, Viktor Kladov, who acted as the president’s envoy, said that Putin had proposed to Malaysia to redeem all 18 MiG-29N aircraft of the Malaysian Air Force in non-flying condition, and instead to acquire the latest MiG-35 fighters.

In addition, Russia offered Malaysia to purchase Yak-130 combat training aircraft, as well as Russian military and civilian helicopters.
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  1. New Year day
    New Year day 5 September 2019 10: 16
    -17
    Will they be paid in currency or palm oil?
    1. Pedrodepackes
      Pedrodepackes 5 September 2019 10: 19
      -18
      Quote: Silvestr
      Will they be paid in currency or palm oil?

      Currently, everything depends on the funds available for the purchase.
      no money, but you ... carry planes
      1. tomket
        tomket 5 September 2019 10: 23
        +18
        In any case, the ice has broken, and that’s good. And in terms of providing the enterprise with work. And in terms of marketing and in terms of strengthening positions in the region. We hope that the negotiations will be successful.
        1. Siberia 75
          Siberia 75 5 September 2019 10: 27
          +17
          Quote: tomket
          In any case, the ice has broken, and that’s good. And in terms of providing the enterprise with work.

          This is supposedly the first batch of MiG-35 for export (for which it was actually created). Very significant negotiations.
      2. VO3A
        VO3A 5 September 2019 10: 52
        -10
        So there are almost no planes .... The tests have not ended, there is no 4 board .... With such a pace of production will these Loch Vicas be or can they launch on the 1 board per year? Why not use the main site? It’s difficult to boil the plane, and it’s even harder to set up production and service and you don’t have to drop the mark ... Nobody needs an outstanding Superjet and fuck ... They cut the budget, ditched the Tu-334, pulled the Tu-214 ... and now from this half-foreign the shit is also being mastered the regional cut ... Note, the main financing is not MS-21, but again Sumerjet ... When will you drink non-Russian Herods ???
        1. VO3A
          VO3A 5 September 2019 11: 03
          -11
          In total, the state plans to allocate a draft resolution on the development of a domestic-made aircraft fleet for the 2019-2021 period:

          MS-21 - about 10,5 billion rubles,
          CR929 - 17 billion rubles,
          IL-114-300 - about 3,934 billion rubles,
          SSJ75 - 41,35 billion rubles, from which we can conclude that the development of a regional jet aircraft with a capacity of up to 75 seats is a priority.


          When Pogasyan and his thieves hastily sculpted the Superjet in the Gayropeysky cooperation, did they swear that they did not touch the regional market? On a French broomstick will you continue to fly and steal?
          1. VO3A
            VO3A 5 September 2019 11: 05
            -6
            At the end of 2016, two pre-production MiG-35 pre-production prototypes were built in Lukhovitsy near Moscow, which were transferred to factory tests. In 2017, it was decided to launch 4 aircraft for state testing, one of which is the MiG-35UB spark. Tests were scheduled for 2018 year. And the first pair of fighters took part in them.

            However, the first plane from the extra pair appeared only now. And the tests will be completed only when all four fighters meet their requirements. Now this moment is planned for the end of the 2019 year. State tests should be held at the Flight Research Institute. Gromova in Zhukovsky near Moscow.


            https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/231601/
        2. loki565
          loki565 5 September 2019 12: 06
          +8
          In Lukhovitsy, the runway was completely replaced, new workshops are being built, old ones are being modernized. As for the Superjet and Tu 334, everything is detailed in this video, a little rough, but for such "experts" it is better expensive)))
          About Tu334 at the 30.34 minute In short, it was not certified and was outdated at the project stage.
          1. okko077
            okko077 5 September 2019 12: 27
            -1
            For you, though. It is unlikely to help ... Fuel oil will give advice about aviation ... The level of the wiper with a rag ... Where are you going?

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3064&v=L9fV1TdCV44
            1. loki565
              loki565 5 September 2019 12: 41
              0
              Video insert mind is not enough?))) Two dudes are sitting and sick about the plane on which they never flew, without performance characteristics and any facts)))
              1. okko077
                okko077 5 September 2019 12: 45
                0
                Dude, it’s in your video, the same as you .. At the level of emotions ... Normal people, normally and convincingly express their opinion even without ademic expressions ...
                1. loki565
                  loki565 5 September 2019 12: 54
                  +1
                  Convincing for whom? without facts, TTX, links to sources. They did not test the plane, did not even fly on it, so it was not at all convincing. And what they say about Tu 334 is all nonsense, it was not certified, the presence of 3 crew members immediately makes it economically unprofitable in operation. An outdated wing on which there will be more fuel consumption compared to competitors, etc., etc.
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                  2. okko077
                    okko077 5 September 2019 13: 06
                    0
                    Are you sane? WIKI at least read it before you carry nonsense ...
                    1. loki565
                      loki565 5 September 2019 13: 12
                      +1
                      Ha ha ha, that forgot to switch accounts ???)))
                      VO3A first writes comments
                      Are you sane? WIKI at least read it before you carry nonsense ...

                      then koment deletes and right there okko077
                      Are you sane? WIKI at least read it before you carry nonsense ...

                      Is that a split personality? like according to the rules of the site it is forbidden to have several accounts ...
                      1. okko077
                        okko077 5 September 2019 13: 18
                        -1
                        And besides delirium, in fact weak? Already squirrels were jumping ...
        3. Sky strike fighter
          Sky strike fighter 5 September 2019 12: 25
          0
          Quote: VO3A
          So there are almost no planes .... The tests have not ended, there is no 4 board .... With such a pace of production will these Loch Vicas be or can they launch on the 1 board per year? Why not use the main site? It’s difficult to boil the plane, and it’s even harder to set up production and service and you don’t have to drop the mark ... Nobody needs an outstanding Superjet and fuck ... They cut the budget, ditched the Tu-334, pulled the Tu-214 ... and now from this half-foreign the shit is also being mastered the regional cut ... Note, the main financing is not MS-21, but again Sumerjet ... When will you drink non-Russian Herods ???

          Will be soon. No need to drive here.
          just the other day, a contract was signed for the supply of two dozen advanced MiG-35 fighters. All the details of the agreement between the military department of the country and RSK "MiG" will be announced in the near future

          The general director of the enterprise I. Tarasenko said in an interview with the press: "We will fulfill all the wishes of our customer when creating serial machines."

          He also separately emphasized that the in-line production of the MiG-35 is already in full swing.

          https://zen.yandex.ru/media/derjava/mig35-oficialno-poshel-v-seriiu-5d6cc07a5ba2b500adf731e8
          1. VO3A
            VO3A 5 September 2019 12: 37
            -4
            .
            No need to drive here

            What is verbiage? Where are the facts? Get down from the nursery pot ... We found someone to listen to, he will still sing and dance to you ... He is an interested person .... The storyteller listens to the same ...
      3. Sfurei
        Sfurei 5 September 2019 11: 32
        +6
        As I understand it, here no one exactly understands what trade is. Even if they pay with leaves from coconut palms, this is also a product that costs money. The main offset is to make the right one. And credit is also a form of payment between the seller and the buyer ... You don’t jump for joy that they deceived the M-video when they give you interest-free installments on a refrigerator or iron !!! ??? You don’t think that the more illiterate people work at the top than the ordinary seller in an electronics store ???
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 5 September 2019 13: 53
          +1
          Quote: Sfurei
          As I understand it, here no one exactly understands what trade is. Even if they pay with leaves from coconut palms, this is also a productwhich costs money. The main offset is to make the right one.

          Do you understand that? Looks like no. And I myself was engaged in these offsets in the troubled times of 90's and made good money on it. The one who exchanges illiquid goods for more liquid ones (at adequate prices) wins in offsetting transactions. Thank God, for our economy, the time of predatory barter has passed. They forbade offsets at the legislative level and not at all from a good life. After that, the economy sighed more freely. But in foreign international trade, it seems that this is not always the case, since high-tech high-tech products are exchanged for a cheap palm tree. It only says that they cannot sell this product otherwise (for money). There is no dignity from such a sale here.
          1. Sfurei
            Sfurei 5 September 2019 17: 21
            -1
            Well, a great example of a cashman in 90 years ... Do not confuse barter with offsets .. We sell for the equivalent of the MIGi currency, i.e. Malaysia owes us $ 1 billion. Our producers, who are planning to buy palm oil, come to the relevant committee / department and submit an application for the purchase of oil, pay money in rubles (Ministry of Industry and Trade and others) in rubles at the exchange rate and go to pick up the oil in Malaysia. What's not clear ??
    2. tomket
      tomket 5 September 2019 10: 21
      -2
      Quote: Silvestr
      Will they be paid in currency or palm oil?

      Why do you need a currency? The times of Intergirls are long gone.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 5 September 2019 10: 27
        -6
        Quote: tomket
        The times of Intergirls are long gone.

        Do you want to say that 470 billion S of Russian reserves is only due to inter-girls? Perhaps you are right, given the relations of the Bank of the Russian Federation and the government with foreign countries
        1. tomket
          tomket 5 September 2019 10: 31
          +2
          Quote: Silvestr
          Do you want to say that 470 billion S of Russian reserves is only due to inter-girls?

          You see, currency is not an end in itself. Here Kudrin sat with us for a long time on a small egg with currency. And what good did it happen to you? Have you become better off from this? Maybe you have a new school built by Kudrin and a new kindergarten? And the state, one way or another, spend money on the same palm oil, anyway.
          1. Ka-52
            Ka-52 5 September 2019 10: 55
            +7
            Maybe you have a new school built by Kudrin and a new kindergarten?

            Kudrin managed to invest in Lemon Brothers. What all came of it - everyone probably knows. It turned out, too, as another Brothers (XXL) shows
      2. Piramidon
        Piramidon 5 September 2019 11: 28
        +6
        Quote: tomket
        Quote: Silvestr
        Will they be paid in currency or palm oil?

        Why do you need a currency? The times of Intergirls are long gone.

        Is palm oil needed?
      3. Nycomed
        Nycomed 5 September 2019 12: 00
        +3
        So let's sell for rubles, the same Malaysia. What is the question?
    3. Avior
      Avior 5 September 2019 10: 30
      +2
      It is better.
      A loan would be very useful, but you need to consider that the interest on the loan is low, as well as repayments.
    4. Orkraider
      Orkraider 5 September 2019 10: 31
      +3
      Quote: Silvestr
      Will they be paid in currency or palm oil?

      Currency will not work, but with palm oil there are questions. If it is of good quality, and centrally distributed for the non-food industry, then this option is not bad. For cosmetic, for example, it is specially purchased and imported to Russia, and for household chemicals it is imported in bulk.
      But where do we get the old MiGs, this is a question, I wonder what they have with the glider resource?
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 5 September 2019 12: 40
        +3
        You repeated my question: what is the use of old aircraft?
        At the same time, if Eldorado periodically organizes promotions: "hand over the old and get a discount on the new", I doubt that Eldorado is doing this out of love for us. So there is some benefit?
        I know one guy, he goes and begs for old refrigerators, what does he do with them ...? There is also a good benefit: he has a brand new Solaris and Lifan, but he can't buy these cars for 5 kopecks
      2. Ka-52
        Ka-52 5 September 2019 14: 14
        +2
        But where do we get the old MiGs, this is a question, I wonder what they have with the glider resource

        they are not so old. Glider problems are not critical most likely. In view of the lack of rembase, the problems were most likely with spare parts. Therefore, it is possible to carry out repairs
    5. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 5 September 2019 10: 38
      0
      Pay in rubles.
    6. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 5 September 2019 10: 43
      +7
      The article nevertheless indicates credit + will return the old MiG-29Н.

      Russia needs to promote the MiG-35 front-line multirole fighter in the international market.

      This will be a salvation for the MiG and will provide funds for its further development.
  2. Speedy
    Speedy 5 September 2019 10: 31
    +3
    In fact, "getting on planes" is the right thing to do. And weaving palm oil here is stupid, albeit fashionable. They have money, just in the absence of obvious opponents they spend little on defense. If it grows together - great, you need to start with. Everyone is waiting for the entry into service of the Russian Aerospace Forces. Then there will be more orders.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 5 September 2019 10: 38
      -3
      Quote: Sorrow
      And palm oil to weave here is stupid, albeit fashionable.

      According to the Minister of Malaysia, Teresa Kok, palm oil trade in exchange for military equipment and machinery It will allow to save local jobs, save foreign currency funds of the state budget, and also strengthen military potential.
      https://topwar.ru/157000-malajzija-hochet-obmenjat-palmovoe-maslo-na-rossijskoe-oruzhie.html
      Somehow, the Malaysians are more pragmatic, it turns out
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    2. donavi49
      donavi49 5 September 2019 10: 49
      +6
      There are obvious enemies there is a carriage. On the one hand, they also have graters with China:
      On March 24, about a hundred Chinese fishing vessels were allegedly spotted in the territorial waters of Malaysia in the South China Sea. Malaysian media hastened to announce the "invasion" of the fishing fleet of China. We remind you that the South China Sea is the subject of a territorial dispute between six countries, including China and Malaysia.
      Already on the day of the "invasion", the Minister of National Security of Malaysia, Shahidan Kassim, reported that the ships of the Malaysian Naval Police MMEA and the Navy were sent to Chinese trawlers. Their task was to monitor the development of the situation. According to MMEA, Chinese trawlers escorted two Chinese coast guard ships.

      On the other hand, Indonesia - which somewhere considers 1 / 3 of Malaysia to be its own right. Actually, all purchases of the last 3-4 years from Malaysia = this is an attempt to maintain at least a minimum parity with Indonesia. Hence the Twards, and the Hornets, and the SAM.
      1. Speedy
        Speedy 5 September 2019 14: 39
        0
        They can’t compete with China if one, partly agree with Indonesia, is an underrated country, in terms of the largest Muslim country. But they, too, are unlikely to be allowed to fight. It is clear that they need to maintain at least the appearance of parity in the region. I’m not saying that they don’t do defense at all. This is Asia after all. There you can’t do that).
    3. IL-18
      IL-18 5 September 2019 15: 33
      0
      E
      Quote: Sorrow
      palm oil weave here

      With butter this is not easy. How much is being produced, how much has already been contracted out of this? Exchange commodity, it can go from Malaysia directly to the markets, and the money is for selling it in the Russian Federation. And credit, by the way, commodity, i.e. not a currency is issued, but the goods for a certain amount, which is returned gradually, about the percentage because of this, the Malay representative is very worried, because I want to overpay at a minimum.
      What are the benefits? Preservation and development of production at home. Promotion of their products on the world market with economic and political benefits. Malaysia also needs to upgrade its fleet, but with a good financial solution for it, preferences are possible for Russia, including other positions. It would even be interesting to create a service center for aviation there, not exclusively for MiG, but for everything that can be offered to the Asia-Pacific markets, or to somehow use a good attitude.
      1. Speedy
        Speedy 5 September 2019 20: 46
        0
        The fact of the matter is that in principle there is no difference what they will give if it is a commodity. Ours also know how to count money. Or think that the Migovites will be gouging with oil in Russia?))
  3. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 5 September 2019 10: 40
    +2
    Migovtsy get at least some oxygen for survival. Let's hope it grows together.
    1. Pavel57
      Pavel57 5 September 2019 10: 46
      +2
      A sip of oxygen were MIG-29 ship.
      1. Siberia 75
        Siberia 75 5 September 2019 11: 00
        +2
        Quote: Pavel57
        A gulp of oxygen were MIG-29 ship

        What is it like? Ship MiGs in the absence of aircraft carrier ships? You just wrote it for the sake of the process?
        1. tomket
          tomket 5 September 2019 11: 31
          +4
          Quote: Siberia 75
          What is it like? Ship MiGs in the absence of aircraft carrier ships? You just wrote it for the sake of the process?

          This is a contract with India, and then with our fleet.
        2. Pavel57
          Pavel57 5 September 2019 13: 02
          +2
          Siberia 75, since you are not in the subject of MIG-29K -
          the Indian Navy has -45, the Russian Navy -23.
      2. tomket
        tomket 5 September 2019 11: 30
        +3
        Quote: Pavel57
        A sip of oxygen were MIG-29 ship.

        And the contract with Egypt went well.
  4. Pavel57
    Pavel57 5 September 2019 10: 45
    0
    Malaysia had an offer from India - to exchange Tejas for oil and MiG-29. For the Indians, wonderful conditions - with one shot of three birds with one stone.
  5. Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU 5 September 2019 10: 59
    -2
    We are studying their proposal for the return of old MiGs and the purchase of new MiG-35 models, but even in this case we will have to pay a large amount. And Malaysia is not a country that spends a lot of money on defense

    You might think the western counterparts of the new fighters will be cheaper. There Indians hit Rafal)
  6. Alexey from Perm
    Alexey from Perm 5 September 2019 11: 09
    0
    Russia offered them combat training Yak 130, and most recently the material was published, where the Ministry of Defense declared a catastrophic situation with training aircraft ... it turns out only to cut money, eh?
  7. Ros 56
    Ros 56 5 September 2019 11: 12
    +1
    And what except palm trees is in Malaysia?
    1. tomket
      tomket 5 September 2019 11: 34
      +1
      Quote: Ros 56
      And what except palm trees is in Malaysia?

      Malaysia has electronics.
    2. Nycomed
      Nycomed 5 September 2019 11: 57
      +1
      Forest, oil and rubber.
  8. Whisper
    Whisper 5 September 2019 11: 16
    +1
    What can be done with old planes? That is directly interesting. Here mnogohodovka is visible.
  9. Bdgolyr
    Bdgolyr 5 September 2019 11: 21
    -2
    A fairy tale is good, but in practice, give a loan, at a minimum, take a boo, and pay with palm oil. Eat the Russians. When we begin to trade normally. We got nouveau riche. This plane is good, but it’s a shame to enter it into the policy of such trade. Yes MiGi should go for export for currency, cost their money and bring down enemies as in the twentieth century. But we must also attach high service and spare parts for 24 hours.
    1. Pavel57
      Pavel57 5 September 2019 11: 34
      0
      Palm oil is a suitable product for various industries, and quite liquid in the world market. Buying out old planes is normal world practice, especially since there is a chance to reanimate them for India.
      Just loading our aircraft industry is already a plus. I remember the first contract was just manna from heaven for the dying MAPO. There are no simple solutions (selling for currency) in a complex world with high competition.
    2. Sfurei
      Sfurei 5 September 2019 11: 43
      -2
      As I wrote above: first understand what trade is. 1. You now buy everything in the store on credit, so what? You are ruining this store ??? 2. Palm oil is also a product that you still have to buy. You consume it in dairy products, mayonnaise, confectionery, etc. This is how more budget products are obtained. And they are NOT worse than ordinary products (having studied the discipline of chemistry of fats - everyone will understand that I am right), they are just different: like soy meat or crab fish stalls (and not crab))))) 3. That is the question of what to do with old airplanes - this is an interesting point, but no one has yet canceled the trade in ...
      1. Dude
        Dude 5 September 2019 13: 32
        0
        Quote: Sfurei
        As I wrote above: first understand what trade is. 1. You now buy everything in the store on credit, so what? You are ruining this store ??? 2. Palm oil is also a product that you still have to buy. You consume it in dairy products, mayonnaise, confectionery, etc. This is how more budget products are obtained. And they are NOT worse than ordinary products (having studied the discipline of chemistry of fats - everyone will understand that I am right), they are just different: like soy meat or crab fish stalls (and not crab))))) 3. That is the question of what to do with old airplanes - this is an interesting point, but no one has yet canceled the trade in ...

        I’ll leave out the issues of lending to this transaction (as we can see from the statements of Malaysian officials, they really want to eat fish and swim in the sea - both interest is lower and payments are lower, so I think we’ll agree on profitable us credit conditions - a non-trivial task) and trade-in questions (much depends on the state of the 29th). Nor will I dispute the importance and usefulness of palm oil, say, in the cosmetic or chemical industry. But here are the mantras about the usefulness, necessity and "not worse" of palm oil in food - got it! Without even delving into "fat chemistry", I just want to ask - specifically You (as, however, and all other adherents of the "palm"), like, say, palm oil ice cream? Or cottage cheese? Cheese? You themselves is it a pleasure to eat, and prefer original foods? winked Oh, I doubt it ...
        1. Sfurei
          Sfurei 5 September 2019 14: 50
          -1
          It is unreasonable to think that fools are engaged in this deal and therefore (once again) the deal will be beneficial for us in any case, as well as for Malaysia. Everyone has their own needs.
          And as for the oil, I’ll give an example: palm oil is the same vegetable oil as sunflower, rapeseed, pumpkin, coconut, cocoa butter and others. I will say more: you can make a spread (an analogue of butter) from both palm and sunflower oil and there will be no difference in harmfulness or usefulness. The only question is how correctly this oil is processed in production.
          Everyone simply has to make his own choice and choose from the products he sells what he likes: real butter, but expensive or spread, but cheaper .. We carefully read the composition there everything is written. In the Russian Federation, manufacturers are severely punished for incorrectly specifying the composition of the product !!!! (of course this does not apply to counterfeiting)
          1. Dude
            Dude 5 September 2019 15: 47
            0
            After your phrase
            In the Russian Federation, manufacturers are severely punished for incorrectly specifying the composition of the product !!!!
            I found it very funny laughing Apparently, I live in some other RF ...
            As for the varieties of vegetable oils you listed: it would be foolish to deny that, in terms of their properties, they are very different, as well as in taste and in their effect on the human body. You all stubbornly equalize under one comb. And, if I have two hands for cocoa butter in chocolate, then, let me categorically against palm oil in it.

            But, nevertheless, you will answer right on my question:
            Do you specifically (as, incidentally, all other adherents of "palm") like, say, palm oil ice cream? Or cottage cheese? Cheese? Do you enjoy eating it yourself, and do you prefer original products? winked
            ?
            I look forward to an answer))
            1. Sfurei
              Sfurei 5 September 2019 17: 30
              -1
              I myself used to work at an enterprise that processes sunflower and other vegetable oils. And then he traveled around the country to enterprises in the dairy, confectionery, and meat processing industries. And I know where and what applies and how ..
              Yes, I consume some products in which there is palm oil and I KNOW that there will be no harm from them. But I prefer chocolate to candies and lollipops - and Belgian. In extreme cases, black is bitter without additives. I just like it more ... But I don’t think milk chocolate for chocolate, but it’s my personal preference ... Would you know how your favorite sunflower oil gets ... and you are all palm and palm .. Palm oil is used because it is much cheaper ... and that’s all .. no more harmful, no more useful ... but cheaper
              1. Dude
                Dude 6 September 2019 17: 30
                -1
                . Yes, I consume some products in which there is palm oil and I KNOW that there will be no harm from them.
                Of course, you didn’t answer my question directly. lol
                However, I did not doubt it.
                For sim, say goodbye.))
                1. Sfurei
                  Sfurei 8 September 2019 09: 59
                  0
                  You, as I understand it, do not know how to read ?? You only know how to write. I wrote to you in Russian: "..Yes, I consume some products in which there is palm oil and I KNOW that there will be no harm from them ... "How else to tell you that I eat foods with palm oil ?? YES, YES, YES ... or what ??
                  I’ll tell you more, you eat them too, because I know for sure that you do not always look at the composition of products.
                  But I don’t drink Coke and I don’t eat mayonnaise, coma like in classic salads that can’t be cooked without mayonnaise .. Paradox? NO. I just know that cola and mayonnaise are very harmful !!!
          2. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 5 September 2019 17: 27
            +2
            "palm oil is the same vegetable oil as sunflower, rapeseed oil," ////
            -----
            Not really. Palm oil is not made from the fruits of a coconut palm, but from its WOOD.
            Unlike coconut oil, which is made from the pulp of coconuts. Better now. Although edible in a coconut tree, if you look at it, only the "milk" of the coconut. The rest, previously they were immediately thrown away, but now they are recycled.
            1. Dude
              Dude 6 September 2019 17: 35
              -1
              Palm oil is not made from the fruits of a coconut palm, but from its WOOD.
              Alexei, a man doesn’t use palm oil for food, he apparently sells it feel hi
              1. Sfurei
                Sfurei 8 September 2019 10: 01
                0
                I used to sell it and eat it. Now I just eat sometimes in foods. And I’ll tell you again: learn to read what they write to you)))
    3. IL-18
      IL-18 5 September 2019 16: 18
      0
      Quote: Bdgolyr
      minimum, take boo, and

      At a car dealership, anyone is normal practice. Moreover, for a specialized research institute, any unit from this place on the planet is the subject of a detailed study to develop future projects. Again, there are not one exploiters of such machines in the world, and there may not be new spare parts, and in order not to render services to competitors, it is possible to supply something free
  10. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 5 September 2019 11: 31
    +1
    Where would I change a car in such a scheme? And the payments are small and% small ...
    1. Sfurei
      Sfurei 5 September 2019 14: 53
      0
      I think this can also be done for small percentages, but ... in currency)))) Are you ready ?? Mortgages on this have already burned out ... they wanted less interest ...)))
  11. rocket757
    rocket757 5 September 2019 11: 34
    +1
    Not in vain "dear father" so the Prime Minister of Malaysia greeted the forum!
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 5 September 2019 17: 31
      0
      The premiere of Malaysia is 94 years old.
      And what a sober head! Able to conduct business. Gives old MiGs, and gets new ones without spending a dollar of currency reserves.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 5 September 2019 17: 35
        0
        I assume that you will not argue that they will give for nothing?
  12. Nycomed
    Nycomed 5 September 2019 11: 53
    +1
    I still do not understand: what is our "margin". I'm getting dumb, probably ... fool recourse
    1. Sfurei
      Sfurei 5 September 2019 12: 30
      +1
      And you know what: 1. production cost of aircraft ?? 2. What salaries will workers receive at the plant? 3. How many taxes will be paid to the budget ?? 4. What will be the discount for palm oil? 5. what does a small percentage mean (cited the concept of interest-free installments in an equipment store as an example)? 6. Why buy old planes ?? NO !! ?? then why say that it is not profitable for us !! Even if we go to 0% of profit: workers will receive a payroll, state taxes, an enterprise the opportunity to load production and save on order for the Moscow Region.
      1. Nycomed
        Nycomed 5 September 2019 12: 40
        0
        Thanks, now I understand! hi Now the matter is small: to build "oil storage facilities" throughout the country! good lol
    2. Gust
      Gust 5 September 2019 13: 00
      0
      1. Increase in serial production => decrease in cost
      2. The first serial delivery abroad => free advertising
      3. Continuity => new orders + loyalty of the flight crew
      4. Support pants domestic aircraft industry and MiG in particular
      5. International prestige as an exporter of weapons

      This is offhand. On the network you can read about the volume of gratuitous (that is, free;)) arms deliveries to different countries. I think the leader will guess everything the first time, while no one asks them questions about the "margin". What is it for...?
      1. Nycomed
        Nycomed 5 September 2019 13: 12
        0
        Thanks, have already read. hi
  13. Livonetc
    Livonetc 5 September 2019 12: 21
    +1
    Please tell me what is the essence of the redemption of old aircraft in non-flying condition?
    How can they be used in the future?
    1. Pavel57
      Pavel57 5 September 2019 13: 14
      +2
      Old planes are brought to flight condition, upgraded to the UPG version. An example of such an action is available with the Indian MiG-29 park. Given that the Indians are categorically short of combat aircraft, the Malaysian MiGs may end up in India (via Belarus) after some time)).
  14. yehat
    yehat 5 September 2019 12: 25
    +1
    Quote: VO3A
    When Pogasyan and his thieves hastily sculpted the Superjet in the Gayropeysky cooperation, did they swear that they did not touch the regional market? On a French broomstick will you continue to fly and steal?

    do not drag Pogosyan to what they wrote here
    tell me, which company could guarantee in a short time the development of a new aircraft when ssj was ordered? Dry only had all the chains working in full force.
    This decision is for officials, not Poghosyan. And the arrows need to be turned there.
    It is clear that dry is glad to crush everything that he reaches for, but not this company manages the situation.
  15. yehat
    yehat 5 September 2019 12: 28
    -1
    Quote: Pavel57
    especially since there is a chance to reanimate them for India.

    Well, I don’t know, even the glider will wear out
    but to put on materials for the production of new and spare parts - completely.
  16. yehat
    yehat 5 September 2019 12: 32
    -5
    Quote: Alexey from Perm
    where the Ministry of Defense declared a catastrophic situation with training aircraft ... it turns out only to cut money, huh?

    our state has no money even for the maintenance of an-2 and the rangers who monitor the forest.
    no money for doctors and schools.
    everything goes to salaries of the Millers and Sechenovs with the Taburetkins and drank.
    And these guys are not enough.
    1. Sfurei
      Sfurei 5 September 2019 15: 03
      -1
      They again started talking about teachers and doctors)) And I’ll say that they are already raising their salaries and talking with them I don’t see a terribly distressing situation ... And, without justifying the embezzlement, I’ll say that you go to lead a corporation of 100 people, like Miller , and make a profit and solve all the necessary questions. He runs a business and a very large one ... Or do you think the leaders (not the owners, but the leaders) of Samsung, LG Electronics, Shell get a little money for a lot of work ??? Do not complain, earn your money ... no one bothers you: there are a lot of examples around: Do-Do pizza, iVi, Squirrel Car and others ...)) Look at life more positively, achieve more, pay taxes and live honestly, do not let bribes around the world will become better ...)))
  17. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 5 September 2019 12: 39
    -2
    Currently, everything depends on the funds available for the purchase.

    And Malaysia is not a country that spends a lot of money on defense (...)
    - (Mohathir Mohamad - Prime Minister
    Just do not drag again to Russia Palm oil! Thank! Already ate!
    1. Gust
      Gust 5 September 2019 13: 08
      -1
      Do not eat, who forces? Palm oil is used a lot where and quite a commodity.
  18. Gust
    Gust 5 September 2019 13: 25
    +1
    There are a lot of negative comments about palm oil. This is what I understood: it doesn't matter what happens in the barter scheme - "palm tree", aluminum ingots, rubber. The main thing is that Russia is selling weapons somewhere and this is already bad. There would be money instead of a "palm tree" - the objections would be in the style "cut again, all for yachts to oligarchs." This worldview is like "not a day without an article about Israel on VO";))
    1. Old bun
      Old bun 5 September 2019 14: 43
      0
      Quote: Rafale
      There are a lot of negative comments about palm oil. This is what I understood: it doesn't matter what happens in the barter scheme - "palm tree", aluminum ingots, rubber. The main thing is that Russia is selling weapons somewhere and this is already bad. There would be money instead of a "palm tree" - the objections would be in the style "cut again, all for yachts to oligarchs." This worldview is like "not a day without an article about Israel on VO";))

      I agree. the main thing is to load the plant and work out production. and there they will deliver to us and India may finally be decided. and Mig needs to be saved, I love this plant
  19. yehat
    yehat 5 September 2019 16: 14
    0
    Quote: Sfurei
    Do not complain, make your money ... no one bothers you

    where is Sechin or Miller earned his money?
    you are now pushing just classic income by squeezing surplus value.
    This is not earnings - this is banal speculation.
    I know perfectly well what a leader is - I studied for a manager for 6 years and steered projects.
    But I never saw where it justifiably suddenly began to pay a million a day.
    And do not hang noodles about super responsibility. Leaders have their own inconveniences, for example, their
    often pulled, but all these processes can somehow be customized, a person does not turn into a superman
    and just works like any ordinary person. Someone can pay extra for harm.
    Risky many - pay a lot. And Miller and Sechin risk only a splinter in the ass,
    nothing more.
  20. yehat
    yehat 5 September 2019 16: 16
    0
    Quote: Rafale
    Do not eat, who forces?

    and if they don’t produce anything else, what should I do?
    I just want to buy and eat normal ice cream stupidly and this is really a problem.
    try, find!
    1. Gust
      Gust 5 September 2019 16: 57
      0
      Produce. I recommend that you always read the packaging and make sure that there is no "palm", "coconut" or ZMZ in the composition (although not a fact), try to take products from very large Russian-level manufacturers (I will not advertise specific ones), and the price should be higher than on noname. Together, these three factors give an almost 100% guarantee. First of all, because of the very large ones, no one will contact a counterfeit (the possible costs are many times higher than the profit from it), and the higher price allows you to work on natural ingredients.
      PS I know the situation from the inside from my own many years of experience.
  21. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 5 September 2019 17: 27
    +1
    Quote: Rafale
    Do not eat, who forces? Palm oil is used a lot where and quite a commodity.

    Try to find products without it first, because all manufacturers for some reason are shy indicate the presence of this full of goods in their products. And you, probably, are unlikely to feed your children, if any, with this muck.
  22. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 5 September 2019 19: 29
    +1
    Quote: Rafale
    There are a lot of negative comments about palm oil. This is what I understood: it doesn't matter what happens in the barter scheme - "palm tree", aluminum ingots, rubber. The main thing is that Russia is selling weapons somewhere and this is already bad. There would be money instead of a "palm tree" - the objections would be in the style "cut again, all for yachts to oligarchs." This worldview is like "not a day without an article about Israel on VO";))

    And this is the worldview of modern top-managers - optimizers - earn at any cost, and do not care about the rest! I doubt that they themselves would agree to receive payment for their labor with such a valuable, in their opinion, product like palm oil!
  23. yehat
    yehat 6 September 2019 10: 49
    0
    Quote: Rafale
    I know the situation from the inside from my own many years of experience.

    Recently searched in Pyaterochka, Family, Spar, Dixi - all shops went around in the area
    ANYWHERE there is no normal ice cream - all with a palm tree.
    It got to the point that there is even difficulty finding butter from natural milk. recourse
  24. People
    People 6 September 2019 13: 08
    0
    It is preferable to use rubber, it is also used on exchanges, and industry is very necessary, how much it will be possible to make necessary rubber products from such a volume of raw materials as tires, gaskets, gaskets, etc. for the release of the same military equipment, but if barter went, it is better to take a drag. metals.
  25. urik62
    urik62 7 September 2019 08: 56
    -1
    They won’t give money, take away old planes, and the rest is for your credit, and we will pay with palm oil.