In Ukraine, it was proposed to replace the "mosquito" fleet with American frigates

In Ukraine, they unexpectedly announced that the mosquito fleet could not be combined with the country's maritime status. The surprise of such a statement is due to the fact that in recent years in Kiev they have only talked about the need to develop a "mosquito" fleet, which is "extremely effective in modern conditions."

Now Ukrainian generals are voicing a new opinion. So, Lieutenant General Yuriy Radkovets, who previously held the post of deputy head of the GUR of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, during a round table on security issues, said that the Navy should change the existing "mosquito fleet" to frigates in order to "become a geopolitical entity."

According to Radkovets, Ukraine is a maritime state, and therefore there should be no concept of a “mosquito” fleet.

The main question: where can Ukraine get the frigates?

The general said that, for example, the Americans could "share" such frigates.

Radkovec:

One way is to take frigates from the Americans.

Apparently, pan general is somewhat forgetting that even with the word “take” Ukraine from today, there are still problems - decommissioned American class Island boats that the United States decided to transfer to Ukraine several years ago still cannot deliver. They won’t reach the Atlantic via their own power, and transporting on a cargo ship is too expensive.

It should be noted that a few days ago, the US president decided to temporarily freeze military assistance to Ukraine - at the time of the audit on previously allocated funds.

Comments

[Leeds]

Do not buy, but “take”. In this word, the entire foreign policy of Ukraine and the doctrine of the rearmament of "the most powerful army in Europe." And look will give instead of writing off to ferrous metal.

[Silver Fox]

They will not be able to contain them

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Silver Fox

They will not be able to contain them

as Comrade W. Churchill said: "If you want to ruin a small state, give it a cruiser"

Navy must change the existing "mosquito fleet" to frigates

Oh well..

[Herman 4223]

They have a cruiser, he slowly rusts in Nikolaev. The Ukraine is called, apparently, they will saw it on the sly.

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Herman 4223

They have a cruiser

Quote: Herman 4223

apparently sawn slowly.

wow, even the profit will bring the vessel, Comrade Churchill was wrong

[Metallurg_2]

Unfinished cruiser, unfinished state ...

[Amin_vivec]

They would have taken, but someone will give them))))

[mark1]

And they will "give" - ​​together with the teams. 5-6 "Arlie Bjerkov". It was better to arrange a small war in '14 and chop off the whole of Novorossia than to watch the United States gradually, in fact, turn into a Black Sea power.

[mark1]

Amazes and at the same time upsets the number of dancers with sabers.

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: mark1

It was better to arrange and chop off the whole of New Russia in the 14 year,

Do you remember 2014 well or have you lived / live in Ukraine? The Novorossiya project was maximum possible in 2004, when Ukraine was clearly divided into orange and pro-Russian, where the backbone was 8 Russian-speaking regions and Crimea. By 2014, there was both a change of generations and the assimilation of even people from the RSFSR who remained there after 1991. Would he go "chop off" himself or would he send his son under bullets from the Russian-speaking patriots of Ukraine? The problem of many Russians in Russia is that, unfortunately, they measure the situation in the east and south of Ukraine by themselves, as if there are people, like they are here, - they taught at school: "History of Russia", "Russian Literature", filled out documents in the authorities in Russian, rooted for the Russian national team, paid in rubles, listened exclusively to Russian and English songs on local radio stations, and survived the reign of the Maydan Yeltsin. Have you forgotten anything? Oh yes, Chechnya. There, in Ukraine, Russian-speaking people rejoiced in the zero years, with a 10% increase in GDP during Kuchma's second term, that they were sent by the USSR to the warm, hospitable Slavic Ukrainian SSR at the end of 1991, and their children do not serve in the Caucasus. And some Russians came to live permanently at the beginning of the XNUMXs, even in my town of Berdyansk. I knew two such families. How did they know that Putin would be able to gather the country?

[mark1]

It’s you, my friend, that you aren’t catching up. The matter is not in the Ukrainian patriots and the Novorossia project (to hell with them), but in the Americans’ access to the Black Sea coast. It’s about preventing a very big disaster from which both you and I and our children can burn up without a trace, and the Ukrainian mentality after the 91 year is a drum for me

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: mark1

It’s you, my friend, that you aren’t catching up. The matter is not in the Ukrainian patriots and the Novorossia project (to hell with them), but in the Americans’ access to the Black Sea coast. It’s about preventing a very big disaster from which both you and I and our children can burn up without a trace, and the Ukrainian mentality after the 91 year is a drum for me

In the era of hypersound, this is not very relevant and critical. If you are about potential flight time. We have Estonia closer to St. Petersburg than Kharkov to Moscow.
The drum is good, as well as good that there are no shots in the back of Russian soldiers on the streets of formally Russian-speaking cities of Ukraine.

[mark1]

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

In the era of hypersound, this is not very relevant and critical. If you are about potential flight time.

Interestingly, do Americans think so too? Something tells me - would we place the missiles somewhere in Cuba / Nicaragua and the war would have already begun, or at least a special operation to clean up the territory on which the missiles are located. Or there is a threat of deployment (Grenada as an example). The fact that NATO is very close to our borders is our own fault, but why exacerbate it.

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: mark1

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

In the era of hypersound, this is not very relevant and critical. If you are about potential flight time.

Interestingly, do Americans think so too? Something tells me - would we place the missiles somewhere in Cuba / Nicaragua and the war would have already begun, or at least a special operation to clean up the territory on which the missiles are located. Or there is a threat of deployment (Grenada as an example). The fact that NATO is very close to our borders is our own fault, but why exacerbate it.

What can they do against the Poseidon, which can even launch from a decrepit fishing dock in return? Or the "Petrel" winged on the poison, which will go around the balloon and come out from the side of Grenada or friendly Canada at a low altitude, skirting the terrain?

[mark1]

Thin trolling? Nude ...

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

friendly canada

for you?

[Dude]

What can they do against the Poseidon, which can even launch from a decrepit fishing dock in return? Or the "Petrel" winged on the poison, which will go around the balloon and come out from the side of Grenada or friendly Canada at a low altitude, skirting the terrain?

Something is tormenting me with vague doubts that "Poseidon" can start from a "decrepit fishing pier" Maybe, in your opinion, the R-36 can then fly up from under the hatch on the sidewalk, and the Tu-160 can be based on any agricultural aviation platform? Do not write nonsense ...))
And besides - tell me, are you going to swing the Poseidons and Petrels in any hypothetical conflict of low intensity?
Poseidon, in general, is a weapon of deterrence / retaliation, judging by the information that we have about him. Both Poseidon and Petrel do not influence the intensification of actions and the increase in the US military presence in the Black Sea region (perhaps very indirectly).

[Amin_vivec]

That is why instability “in Ukraine” is in Russia's interests, no matter how cynical it may sound. In muddy water, you can work in all directions)))

[Ren]

One way is to take frigates from the Americans

And it’s better to board! Unfortunately, the Sea Breeze 2019 exercises have already passed.
But during the next NATO exercises in the Black Sea, Ukrainians should, no, just are required to board the frigates with the Americans to maintain the status of maritime power!!!
Although they can wring out warships from other NATO countries.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Leeds

Do not buy, but “take”.

And even more so, do not build. When it was the most powerful shipbuilding in the USSR.

[antivirus]

The Navy must change the existing “mosquito fleet” to frigates in order to “become a geopolitical subject”

- by itself, "take-buy" is still not enough, but realizing the need for the fleet is ALREADY a FEAT ..

[Evil echo]

And what only frigates? I would take immediately AUG.

[major147]

Quote: Evil Echo

And what only frigates? I would take immediately AUG.

What a country, such and dreams!

[Monar]

And three, no seven nuclear submarines!

[Bacha]

Yes, and Nimitz they are already old. Why trifle? And let him take it))) The Americans have more e.

[Ushly_bashkort]

Iowa at the joke is still unowned, definitely give ukram! =)

[Rzzz]

Iowa - Museum. So just do not give. So as museums are even more ancient USS Texas and USS North Caroline.

[Ushly_bashkort]

Then let Mikasu be asked from the Nippons.

[Antares]

Quote: Ushly_bashkort

Then let Mikasu be asked from the Nippons.

it is mounted. Museum It has no combat value.
Aurora is even easier to take
In general, then in the World Cup battleships are not so bad ... Maybe Kaptsov will write an article ...

[Ushly_bashkort]

Dug up the sea? Dug up. So they dig up Mikasu)

[venik]

Quote: rzzz

So as museums are even more ancient USS Texas and USS North Caroline.

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Yah! These - almost "novye" - local "specialists" may not be able to master ..... But the mattresses also have such a thing as the armored cruiser "Olympia" (the hero of the American-Spanish war)

This is what the doctor ordered for them!
True - the question is where will they get so much coal? And so, after all, poor fellows from America itself drag corners .....

[Tusv]

According to Radkovets, Ukraine is a maritime state, and therefore there should be no concept of a “mosquito” fleet.

Correctly. We have selected mosquitoes, now it's time to share the frigates. Well, if the frigates are not rusty, then I am for it. Navy for adult uncles

[Moore]

Apparently, pan general is somewhat forgetting that even with the word “take” Ukraine has problems today

Yes, and the meaning of this word in the Ukrainian version is twofold.
Take for money that is not there, i.e. buying is one thing.
To take without money, in other words, for free, - at least, you need the consent of the other side. This second side, apparently, will still have to train the crews, supply spare parts and bring what they want to the Ukranian sea lovers.

[venik]

Quote: Moore

This second side, apparently, will still have to train the crews, supply spare parts and bring what they want to the Ukranian sea lovers.

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Duc and not only that! For example, 2 questions interest me:
1) - will capricious American turbines run on "high quality" Ukrainian fuel?
2) - how are they going to "power" the ships in the parking lot if the American standards for AC frequency and voltage (120 V, 60 Hz) differ from European standards (230 V, 50 Hz)? Will the substation-converters be built or so with the included generators idle?

[Avis-bis]

Quote: venik

how are they going to "power" the docked ships if the US standards for AC frequency and voltage (120 V, 60 Hz) differ from European standards (230 V, 50 Hz)?

Too lazy to look, but I doubt something, that the military standard is used on warships. For example, on state (as well as around the world) airplanes, military and civilian, the voltage of standards is applied constant 27V and ~ 115 / 200V 400Hz. There is also a more exotic ~ 36V 400Hz.

[Silver Fox]

Dreamland ! Americans may have written off frigates Oliver

[rotmistr60]

The Navy must change the existing "mosquito fleet" to frigates ... One of the ways is to take frigates from the Americans.

It turns out that it is “easy” to switch from a “mosquito fleet” to a naval power - all that is needed is to fork out the Americans and it is also desirable to drive the ships into the Black Sea themselves. Correctly they say - "the fool is getting richer with a thought."

[sabakina]

Gennady you just think about the words "take frigates from the Americans". After reading it, it seems that the lackeys are not they, but the Americans.

[rotmistr60]

Vyacheslav You can’t hide the Ukrainian mentality, because he constantly climbs out.

[Amateur]

Lieutenant-General Yuriy Radkovets, who previously held the post of deputy chief of the Defense Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, during a "round table" on security issues, said that the Navy should change the existing "mosquito fleet" to frigates

Why trifle. Go straight to Iowa, Wisconsin and Missouri. They are almost the same age as the Islands, but much cooler!

[Vasyan1971]

Radkovec:
One way is to take frigates from the Americans.

I'll give it ...
The main thing in this business is to carry it away.

[Lord of the Sith]

And why not immediately "take" aircraft carriers?))
Well, a couple of "Virginias" for delivery

[Errr]

According to Radkovets, Ukraine is a maritime state, and therefore there should be no concept of a “mosquito” fleet.

That's right! [no objection should be made] In view of the autumn aggravation, I offer a special exclusive to alleviate the general condition of patients in the theater of the absurd!

[prior]

Something tells me that Ukraine will soon become a landlocked country.
Just the Black Sea region will hold a referendum on joining the Donetsk and Lugansk people's republics.

[Antares]

Quote: prior

Just the Black Sea region will hold a referendum on joining the Donetsk and Lugansk people's republics.

advertising "Russian world" in ORDILO is the best way not to do this for another hundred years!

[Avior]

A bit too many ex-ministers, ex-deputies, ex-generals and other ex from Ukraine appear in VO.
In retirement, I want to chat.
They sometimes carry such a blizzard in the service that their ears are wrapped in a tube, and as soon as retirement, so immediately "and then Ostap suffered", the crap from all the cracks climbs

[awg75]

but what frigates?))) for the descendants of the ancient Sumerians, this is too shallow! only aircraft carriers. I think about five great beggars for the first time is enough)))

[Avis-bis]

Quote: awg75

only aircraft carriers

... all the more so since both sides already have experience of using in another civil war.

[Vadim Golubkov]

Maritime states themselves build ships.

[kit88]

And what does this have to do with 404?
Not to the word "sea", but to the word "state"

[rocket757]

The dill generals no longer grew stronger, everything is already running there, it cannot be restored!

[Old26]

Quote: mark1

And they will "give" - ​​together with the teams. 5-6 "Arlie Bjerkov". It was better to arrange a small war in '14 and chop off the whole of Novorossia than to watch the United States gradually, in fact, turn into a Black Sea power.

Well, in-1 "Berks" are not frigates, but destroyers. Secondly, according to Zadornov, it is not worth considering the Americans so stupid that they will give Berks to Ukraine. It's like taking a couple of aircraft carriers to some other country (not Ukraine). Even if they do, it will only be "Oliver Perry", and disarmed ...

[Herman 4223]

Oliver Pendel will be given to them.

[Herman 4223]

In the event of a real conflict with Russia, they will sink to the bottom during the first day, and this is a very bad advertisement for American equipment, and how they built their ships in the Crimea and the Kerch Strait without a fight. Who after such a task does anyone even trust a rusty boat with? After all, in case of which it may be in the hands of the enemy and strengthen its naval forces.

[Sayan]

Need to take it? But who to give?))) SGA, not the USSR, where they took it.

[3vs]

One way is to take frigates from the Americans.

This is only if you become one of the states of the United States!
As if Comrade Zelensky did not offer Mr. Donald to buy
instead of Greenland, Ukraine ...

[Rwmos]

“We buy old things, steal new ones!” Shouted Ostap after him. Vostrikov took his head in and stopped at his door. Ostap continued to be harassed:
“What about the pants, esteemed cult minister?” Take it? There are also sleeves from a vest, a circle from a donut and a dead donkey's ears. Wholesale the whole batch - it will be cheaper. And they don’t lie in chairs, there’s no need to look! BUT?!

They have a tomos, so it is a minister of worship

[Ros 56]

At the word "take" several Americans choked to death from ukroshumer idiocy. You can take something, but who will give you? They cost money, you idiot.

[NF68]

Will money for frigates and for their maintenance appear magically from bloomers?

[zenitovets]

In 1942, Britain asked the USA for 50 decommissioned destroyers of the First World War (and Britain was a very close ally, unlike today's Ukraine). So, they did, but not for nothing - in return, Britain had to give bases in Newfoundland and the Antilles islands (for rent for 99 years, virtually unlimited).
And what will Ukraine give back - the ass of the husband man Lyashko?