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In Ukraine, it was proposed to replace the "mosquito" fleet with American frigates

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In Ukraine, they unexpectedly announced that the mosquito fleet could not be combined with the country's maritime status. The surprise of such a statement is due to the fact that in recent years in Kiev they have only talked about the need to develop a "mosquito" fleet, which is "extremely effective in modern conditions."




Now Ukrainian generals are voicing a new opinion. So, Lieutenant General Yuriy Radkovets, who previously held the post of deputy head of the GUR of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, during a round table on security issues, said that the Navy should change the existing "mosquito fleet" to frigates in order to "become a geopolitical entity."

According to Radkovets, Ukraine is a maritime state, and therefore there should be no concept of a “mosquito” fleet.

The main question: where can Ukraine get the frigates?

The general said that, for example, the Americans could "share" such frigates.

Radkovec:

One way is to take frigates from the Americans.

Apparently, pan general is somewhat forgetting that even with the word “take” Ukraine from today, there are still problems - decommissioned American class Island boats that the United States decided to transfer to Ukraine several years ago still cannot deliver. They won’t reach the Atlantic via their own power, and transporting on a cargo ship is too expensive.

It should be noted that a few days ago, the US president decided to temporarily freeze military assistance to Ukraine - at the time of the audit on previously allocated funds.
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  1. Leeds
    Leeds 5 September 2019 06: 27
    +13
    Do not buy, but “take”. In this word, the entire foreign policy of Ukraine and the doctrine of the rearmament of "the most powerful army in Europe." And look will give instead of writing off to ferrous metal.
    1. Silver Fox
      Silver Fox 5 September 2019 06: 33
      +9
      They will not be able to contain them
      1. Pedrodepackes
        Pedrodepackes 5 September 2019 06: 45
        +8
        Quote: Silver Fox
        They will not be able to contain them

        as Comrade W. Churchill said: "If you want to ruin a small state, give it a cruiser"
        Navy must change the existing "mosquito fleet" to frigates
        Oh well..
        1. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 5 September 2019 07: 21
          +5
          They have a cruiser, he slowly rusts in Nikolaev. The Ukraine is called, apparently, they will saw it on the sly.
          1. Pedrodepackes
            Pedrodepackes 5 September 2019 07: 24
            +3
            Quote: Herman 4223
            They have a cruiser

            Quote: Herman 4223
            apparently sawn slowly.

            wow, even the profit will bring the vessel, Comrade Churchill was wrong laughing
          2. Metallurg_2
            Metallurg_2 5 September 2019 10: 38
            +1
            Unfinished cruiser, unfinished state ...
            1. Amin_vivec
              Amin_vivec 6 September 2019 17: 08
              0
              They would have taken, but someone will give them))))
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    2. mark1
      mark1 5 September 2019 07: 23
      0
      And they will "give" - ​​together with the teams. 5-6 "Arlie Bjerkov". It was better to arrange a small war in '14 and chop off the whole of Novorossia than to watch the United States gradually, in fact, turn into a Black Sea power.
      1. mark1
        mark1 5 September 2019 07: 58
        +4
        Amazes and at the same time upsets the number of dancers with sabers.
      2. Nevsky_ZU
        Nevsky_ZU 5 September 2019 07: 59
        +3
        Quote: mark1
        It was better to arrange and chop off the whole of New Russia in the 14 year,

        Do you remember 2014 well or have you lived / live in Ukraine? The Novorossiya project was maximum possible in 2004, when Ukraine was clearly divided into orange and pro-Russian, where the backbone was 8 Russian-speaking regions and Crimea. By 2014, there was both a change of generations and the assimilation of even people from the RSFSR who remained there after 1991. Would he go "chop off" himself or would he send his son under bullets from the Russian-speaking patriots of Ukraine? The problem of many Russians in Russia is that, unfortunately, they measure the situation in the east and south of Ukraine by themselves, as if there are people, like they are here, - they taught at school: "History of Russia", "Russian Literature", filled out documents in the authorities in Russian, rooted for the Russian national team, paid in rubles, listened exclusively to Russian and English songs on local radio stations, and survived the reign of the Maydan Yeltsin. Have you forgotten anything? Oh yes, Chechnya. There, in Ukraine, Russian-speaking people rejoiced in the zero years, with a 10% increase in GDP during Kuchma's second term, that they were sent by the USSR to the warm, hospitable Slavic Ukrainian SSR at the end of 1991, and their children do not serve in the Caucasus. And some Russians came to live permanently at the beginning of the XNUMXs, even in my town of Berdyansk. I knew two such families. How did they know that Putin would be able to gather the country?
        1. mark1
          mark1 5 September 2019 08: 18
          +1
          It’s you, my friend, that you aren’t catching up. The matter is not in the Ukrainian patriots and the Novorossia project (to hell with them), but in the Americans’ access to the Black Sea coast. It’s about preventing a very big disaster from which both you and I and our children can burn up without a trace, and the Ukrainian mentality after the 91 year is a drum for me
          1. Nevsky_ZU
            Nevsky_ZU 5 September 2019 08: 31
            0
            Quote: mark1
            It’s you, my friend, that you aren’t catching up. The matter is not in the Ukrainian patriots and the Novorossia project (to hell with them), but in the Americans’ access to the Black Sea coast. It’s about preventing a very big disaster from which both you and I and our children can burn up without a trace, and the Ukrainian mentality after the 91 year is a drum for me

            In the era of hypersound, this is not very relevant and critical. If you are about potential flight time. We have Estonia closer to St. Petersburg than Kharkov to Moscow.
            The drum is good, as well as good that there are no shots in the back of Russian soldiers on the streets of formally Russian-speaking cities of Ukraine.
            1. mark1
              mark1 5 September 2019 08: 42
              +1
              Quote: Nevsky_ZU
              In the era of hypersound, this is not very relevant and critical. If you are about potential flight time.

              Interestingly, do Americans think so too? Something tells me - would we place the missiles somewhere in Cuba / Nicaragua and the war would have already begun, or at least a special operation to clean up the territory on which the missiles are located. Or there is a threat of deployment (Grenada as an example). The fact that NATO is very close to our borders is our own fault, but why exacerbate it.
              1. Nevsky_ZU
                Nevsky_ZU 5 September 2019 08: 48
                -3
                Quote: mark1
                Quote: Nevsky_ZU
                In the era of hypersound, this is not very relevant and critical. If you are about potential flight time.

                Interestingly, do Americans think so too? Something tells me - would we place the missiles somewhere in Cuba / Nicaragua and the war would have already begun, or at least a special operation to clean up the territory on which the missiles are located. Or there is a threat of deployment (Grenada as an example). The fact that NATO is very close to our borders is our own fault, but why exacerbate it.

                What can they do against the Poseidon, which can even launch from a decrepit fishing dock in return? Or the "Petrel" winged on the poison, which will go around the balloon and come out from the side of Grenada or friendly Canada at a low altitude, skirting the terrain?
                1. mark1
                  mark1 5 September 2019 08: 59
                  0
                  Thin trolling? Nude ...
                  Quote: Nevsky_ZU
                  friendly canada

                  for you?
                2. Dude
                  Dude 5 September 2019 11: 24
                  +1
                  What can they do against the Poseidon, which can even launch from a decrepit fishing dock in return? Or the "Petrel" winged on the poison, which will go around the balloon and come out from the side of Grenada or friendly Canada at a low altitude, skirting the terrain?
                  Something is tormenting me with vague doubts that "Poseidon" can start from a "decrepit fishing pier" No. Maybe, in your opinion, the R-36 can then fly up from under the hatch on the sidewalk, and the Tu-160 can be based on any agricultural aviation platform? lol Do not write nonsense ...))
                  And besides - tell me, are you going to swing the Poseidons and Petrels in any hypothetical conflict of low intensity?
                  Poseidon, in general, is a weapon of deterrence / retaliation, judging by the information that we have about him. Both Poseidon and Petrel do not influence the intensification of actions and the increase in the US military presence in the Black Sea region (perhaps very indirectly).
              2. Amin_vivec
                Amin_vivec 6 September 2019 17: 13
                0
                That is why instability “in Ukraine” is in Russia's interests, no matter how cynical it may sound. In muddy water, you can work in all directions)))
    3. Ren
      Ren 5 September 2019 07: 46
      +4
      One way is to take frigates from the Americans

      And it’s better to board! Unfortunately, the Sea Breeze 2019 exercises have already passed.
      But during the next NATO exercises in the Black Sea, Ukrainians should, no, just are required to board the frigates with the Americans to maintain the status of maritime power!!! wassat
      Although they can wring out warships from other NATO countries. wassat
    4. Piramidon
      Piramidon 5 September 2019 10: 04
      +1
      Quote: Leeds
      Do not buy, but “take”.

      And even more so, do not build. When it was the most powerful shipbuilding in the USSR.
    5. antivirus
      antivirus 5 September 2019 13: 20
      -1
      The Navy must change the existing “mosquito fleet” to frigates in order to “become a geopolitical subject”

      - by itself, "take-buy" is still not enough, but realizing the need for the fleet is ALREADY a FEAT ..
  2. Evil echo
    Evil echo 5 September 2019 06: 28
    +9
    And what only frigates? I would take immediately AUG. wassat
    1. major147
      major147 5 September 2019 08: 25
      +1
      Quote: Evil Echo
      And what only frigates? I would take immediately AUG. wassat

      What a country, such and dreams!
    2. Monar
      Monar 5 September 2019 10: 16
      +1
      And three, no seven nuclear submarines! wassat
  3. Bacha
    Bacha 5 September 2019 06: 28
    +6
    Yes, and Nimitz they are already old. Why trifle? And let him take it))) The Americans have more e.
    1. Ushly_bashkort
      Ushly_bashkort 5 September 2019 06: 43
      +6
      Iowa at the joke is still unowned, definitely give ukram! =)
      1. Rzzz
        Rzzz 5 September 2019 07: 13
        +3
        Iowa - Museum. So just do not give. So as museums are even more ancient USS Texas and USS North Caroline.
        1. Ushly_bashkort
          Ushly_bashkort 5 September 2019 07: 19
          +2
          Then let Mikasu be asked from the Nippons.
          1. Antares
            Antares 5 September 2019 09: 09
            0
            Quote: Ushly_bashkort
            Then let Mikasu be asked from the Nippons.

            it is mounted. Museum It has no combat value.
            Aurora is even easier to take
            In general, then in the World Cup battleships are not so bad ... Maybe Kaptsov will write an article ... laughing
            1. Ushly_bashkort
              Ushly_bashkort 5 September 2019 09: 11
              +3
              Dug up the sea? Dug up. So they dig up Mikasu)
        2. venik
          venik 5 September 2019 09: 12
          +1
          Quote: rzzz
          So as museums are even more ancient USS Texas and USS North Caroline.

          ==========
          Yah! These - almost "novye" - local "specialists" may not be able to master ..... But the mattresses also have such a thing as the armored cruiser "Olympia" (the hero of the American-Spanish war)

          This is what the doctor ordered for them! laughing
          True - the question is where will they get so much coal? And so, after all, poor fellows from America itself drag corners .....
  4. Tusv
    Tusv 5 September 2019 06: 29
    +2
    According to Radkovets, Ukraine is a maritime state, and therefore there should be no concept of a “mosquito” fleet.

    Correctly. We have selected mosquitoes, now it's time to share the frigates. Well, if the frigates are not rusty, then I am for it. Navy for adult uncles
  5. Moore
    Moore 5 September 2019 06: 30
    +1
    Apparently, pan general is somewhat forgetting that even with the word “take” Ukraine has problems today

    Yes, and the meaning of this word in the Ukrainian version is twofold.
    Take for money that is not there, i.e. buying is one thing.
    To take without money, in other words, for free, - at least, you need the consent of the other side. This second side, apparently, will still have to train the crews, supply spare parts and bring what they want to the Ukranian sea lovers.
    1. venik
      venik 5 September 2019 09: 33
      0
      Quote: Moore
      This second side, apparently, will still have to train the crews, supply spare parts and bring what they want to the Ukranian sea lovers.

      =========
      Duc and not only that! For example, 2 questions interest me:
      1) - will capricious American turbines run on "high quality" Ukrainian fuel?
      2) - how are they going to "power" the ships in the parking lot if the American standards for AC frequency and voltage (120 V, 60 Hz) differ from European standards (230 V, 50 Hz)? Will the substation-converters be built or so with the included generators idle? wassat
      1. Avis-bis
        Avis-bis 6 September 2019 09: 00
        +1
        Quote: venik
        how are they going to "power" the docked ships if the US standards for AC frequency and voltage (120 V, 60 Hz) differ from European standards (230 V, 50 Hz)?

        Лень искать, но что то сомневаюсь я, что на военных кораблях применяется бытовой стандарт. Например, на штатовских (как, впрочем, и по всему Миру) самолётах, боевых и гражданских, применяется напряжение стандартов постоянный 27В и ~115/200В 400Гц. Есть ещё и более экзотичный ~36В 400Гц.
  6. Silver Fox
    Silver Fox 5 September 2019 06: 32
    +2
    Dreamland ! Americans may have written off frigates Oliver
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 5 September 2019 06: 34
    +3
    The Navy must change the existing "mosquito fleet" to frigates ... One of the ways is to take frigates from the Americans.
    It turns out that it is “easy” to switch from a “mosquito fleet” to a naval power - all that is needed is to fork out the Americans and it is also desirable to drive the ships into the Black Sea themselves. Correctly they say - "the fool is getting richer with a thought."
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 5 September 2019 06: 51
      +4
      Gennady hi you just think about the words "take frigates from the Americans". After reading it, it seems that the lackeys are not they, but the Americans.
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 5 September 2019 06: 53
        +2
        Vyacheslav hi You can’t hide the Ukrainian mentality, because he constantly climbs out.
  8. Amateur
    Amateur 5 September 2019 06: 38
    +1
    Lieutenant-General Yuriy Radkovets, who previously held the post of deputy chief of the Defense Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, during a "round table" on security issues, said that the Navy should change the existing "mosquito fleet" to frigates

    Why trifle. Go straight to Iowa, Wisconsin and Missouri. They are almost the same age as the Islands, but much cooler! wassat
  9. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 5 September 2019 07: 17
    +3
    Radkovec:
    One way is to take frigates from the Americans.

    I'll give it ...
    The main thing in this business is to carry it away.
  10. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 5 September 2019 07: 23
    0
    And why not immediately "take" aircraft carriers?))
    Well, a couple of "Virginias" for delivery laughing
  11. Errr
    Errr 5 September 2019 07: 28
    +8
    According to Radkovets, Ukraine is a maritime state, and therefore there should be no concept of a “mosquito” fleet.
    That's right! [no objection should be made] In view of the autumn aggravation, I offer a special exclusive to alleviate the general condition of patients in the theater of the absurd!
  12. prior
    prior 5 September 2019 08: 05
    +1
    Something tells me that Ukraine will soon become a landlocked country.
    Just the Black Sea region will hold a referendum on joining the Donetsk and Lugansk people's republics.
    1. Antares
      Antares 5 September 2019 09: 09
      -6
      Quote: prior
      Just the Black Sea region will hold a referendum on joining the Donetsk and Lugansk people's republics.

      advertising "Russian world" in ORDILO is the best way not to do this for another hundred years!
  13. Avior
    Avior 5 September 2019 08: 10
    +2
    A bit too many ex-ministers, ex-deputies, ex-generals and other ex from Ukraine appear in VO.
    In retirement, I want to chat.
    They sometimes carry such a blizzard in the service that their ears are wrapped in a tube, and as soon as retirement, so immediately "and then Ostap suffered", the crap from all the cracks climbs
  14. awg75
    awg75 5 September 2019 08: 11
    +1
    but what frigates?))) for the descendants of the ancient Sumerians, this is too shallow! only aircraft carriers. I think about five great beggars for the first time is enough)))
    1. Avis-bis
      Avis-bis 6 September 2019 09: 11
      0
      Quote: awg75
      only aircraft carriers


      ... all the more so since both sides already have experience of using in another civil war.

  15. Vadim Golubkov
    Vadim Golubkov 5 September 2019 08: 17
    +2
    Maritime states themselves build ships.
    1. kit88
      kit88 5 September 2019 08: 41
      +5
      And what does this have to do with 404?
      Not to the word "sea", but to the word "state"
  16. rocket757
    rocket757 5 September 2019 08: 31
    +1
    The dill generals no longer grew stronger, everything is already running there, it cannot be restored!
  17. Old26
    Old26 5 September 2019 08: 35
    +5
    Quote: mark1
    And they will "give" - ​​together with the teams. 5-6 "Arlie Bjerkov". It was better to arrange a small war in '14 and chop off the whole of Novorossia than to watch the United States gradually, in fact, turn into a Black Sea power.

    Well, in-1 "Berks" are not frigates, but destroyers. Secondly, according to Zadornov, it is not worth considering the Americans so stupid that they will give Berks to Ukraine. It's like taking a couple of aircraft carriers to some other country (not Ukraine). Even if they do, it will only be "Oliver Perry", and disarmed ...
    1. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 5 September 2019 09: 29
      0
      Oliver Pendel will be given to them.
    2. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 5 September 2019 09: 40
      0
      In the event of a real conflict with Russia, they will sink to the bottom during the first day, and this is a very bad advertisement for American equipment, and how they built their ships in the Crimea and the Kerch Strait without a fight. Who after such a task does anyone even trust a rusty boat with? After all, in case of which it may be in the hands of the enemy and strengthen its naval forces.
  18. Sayan
    Sayan 5 September 2019 09: 26
    0
    Need to take it? But who to give?))) SGA, not the USSR, where they took it.
  19. 3vs
    3vs 5 September 2019 09: 47
    0
    One way is to take frigates from the Americans.

    This is only if you become one of the states of the United States! yes
    As if Comrade Zelensky did not offer Mr. Donald to buy
    instead of Greenland, Ukraine ...
  20. Rwmos
    Rwmos 5 September 2019 10: 02
    0
    “We buy old things, steal new ones!” Shouted Ostap after him. Vostrikov took his head in and stopped at his door. Ostap continued to be harassed:
    “What about the pants, esteemed cult minister?” Take it? There are also sleeves from a vest, a circle from a donut and a dead donkey's ears. Wholesale the whole batch - it will be cheaper. And they don’t lie in chairs, there’s no need to look! BUT?!

    They have a tomos, so it is a minister of worship
  21. Ros 56
    Ros 56 5 September 2019 10: 32
    0
    At the word "take" several Americans choked to death from ukroshumer idiocy. You can take something, but who will give you? They cost money, you idiot.
  22. NF68
    NF68 5 September 2019 14: 48
    0
    Will money for frigates and for their maintenance appear magically from bloomers?
  23. zenitovets
    zenitovets 6 September 2019 13: 33
    0
    In 1942, Britain asked the USA for 50 decommissioned destroyers of the First World War (and Britain was a very close ally, unlike today's Ukraine). So, they did, but not for nothing - in return, Britain had to give bases in Newfoundland and the Antilles islands (for rent for 99 years, virtually unlimited).
    And what will Ukraine give back - the ass of the husband man Lyashko?