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US Army Promises Revolutionary Weapons to Replace M4 and M249

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In the United States, the company that was included in the program for the development of promising systems of small arms weapons. We are talking about the company SIG SAUER, which announced that it is ready to offer a "revolutionary weapon" for the US Army. Revolutionary - in the sense that there was nothing like this before in the US Army. More than ambitious statement.



Shooter with SIG MCX Virtus


The manufacturer noted that promising small arms systems should eventually replace the M4 automatic carbine and the M249 SAW machine gun. The relevant contract is said to have already been signed between the company and the Pentagon.

The new (proposed) shooting system is designed for the use of 6,8-mm hybrid ammunition, which will be used for both automatic rifles and light (manual) machine guns.

SIG SAUER CEO Ron Cohen:

It is a great honor for us to be selected to participate in the “New Generation Weapons” program, which will lead to an increase in mortality compared to obsolete weapons.

It is noted that 6,8-mm ammunition is created to increase the lethal effect when firing from increased distances. The company claims that "this is a completely new cartridge, which, with all its compactness and low weight, will allow the bullet to fly with increased speed and accuracy."

One of the proposed weapons for the US Army is the SIG SAUER NGSW-AR. This is an ultra-light machine gun with quick-detachable magazines for the very same 6,8-mm ammunition and with a folding butt. An integrated night vision device is integrated with it.

We are also talking about the NGSW-Rifle rifle with M-LOK, folding butt and dubbed "controls."

The timing of the contract and the volume of the order has not yet been announced.
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  1. paul3390
    paul3390 4 September 2019 18: 56
    +16
    IMHO - with current cartridge-weapon systems nothing revolutionary can be achieved. Almost perfect. Something is radically better - it is possible only on other principles, such as liquid propellants, gausses, etc. ...
    1. novel66
      novel66 4 September 2019 19: 00
      +15
      it’s time to switch to blasters
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 4 September 2019 19: 02
        +10
        I don’t think that this is real in the coming decades .. It’s difficult to deceive physics - dispersal in the atmosphere is nowhere to go ... Yes, and the power source in a cart can not be carried in a bogeyman ..
        1. cniza
          cniza 4 September 2019 19: 22
          +8
          Quote: novel xnumx
          it’s time to switch to blasters


          If only they didn’t switch to clubs ...
          1. Vladimir16
            Vladimir16 5 September 2019 06: 19
            +1
            Quote: paul3390
            I don’t think that this is real in the coming decades .. It’s difficult to deceive physics -

            If playing with a pair of cartridge bullets, it is not possible. It's like trying to revolutionize a horse-cart couple.

            Change the approach. Set a new goal for your actions.
            If your goal is to remotely kill the enemy, then there will be a huge number of options.

            Do not limit yourself to a bullet. And don't be fooled by physics. wink

            1. krot
              krot 6 September 2019 06: 02
              0
              Striped steel like the Sumerians to brag about what they don’t have and will not have ..) Well, if I’m wrong, we are waiting for blasters in the United States)))
      2. To be or not to be
        To be or not to be 4 September 2019 19: 22
        +2
        novel66 (novel) Today, 19: 00 NEW

        it's time to go to the blasters ..
        1. Pereira
          Pereira 4 September 2019 21: 32
          +3
          This is an obsolete rifle. With her for many years running in 4-m Fallout.

        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 4 September 2019 23: 08
          +2
          This only photo is presented on all sites. Not much
          information.
          1. sgapich
            sgapich 5 September 2019 01: 23
            +1
            Quote: voyaka uh
            This only photo is presented on all sites. Not much
            information.

            Here is another photo from the official Sig Sauer twitter.
          2. The comment was deleted.
          3. To be or not to be
            To be or not to be 5 September 2019 05: 40
            0
            voyaka uh (Alexey) Yesterday, 23:08 PM NEW

            This only photo is presented on all sites. Not much
            information.
      3. SASHA OLD
        SASHA OLD 4 September 2019 22: 46
        +7
        Quote: novel xnumx
        it’s time to switch to blasters


        by the way, this "Zorg assault rifle" (shooting variants, there were also just layouts for static scenes) was made on the basis of AKS74U

        below you can see the store
        so the weapon of the future is a Kalashnikov assault rifle!
        1. kostyanblch
          kostyanblch 5 September 2019 09: 07
          +1
          True, there is a nuance.
          1. SASHA OLD
            SASHA OLD 5 September 2019 12: 09
            0
            Quote: kostyanblch
            True, there is a nuance.

            self destruct button ...
          2. GRANATE-19
            GRANATE-19 12 July 2022 16: 39
            0
            It's true!!! There is a LITTLE nuance!!! am laughing laughing laughing
        2. Romka47
          Romka47 5 September 2019 11: 40
          0
          SASHA OLD Good day hi I didn’t know about it, right already the mood rose and pride for Kalash good
          1. SASHA OLD
            SASHA OLD 5 September 2019 12: 12
            +1
            Quote: Romka47
            SASHA OLD Good day

            Mutually!
            Quote: Romka47
            I didn’t know about it, right already the mood rose and pride for Kalash

            I just read it myself recently, the interview was once given by the guy who was responsible for all these things in that film, in the 5th element everything is futuristic, and all the trunks were "made up" in full.
            how about our Kalash read - so also direct UX !!!))
    2. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 4 September 2019 19: 25
      +6
      In the eighteenth century, they also thought that perfection in small arms was already achieved. But there is no limit to perfection.
      1. whack
        whack 5 September 2019 00: 28
        0
        a bullet will always be a bullet. gunpowder.
        1. tracer
          tracer 5 September 2019 04: 58
          +2
          I will continue your deep thought ...
          Water by water, fire by fire, frost by frost, urea by evidence.
        2. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 5 September 2019 07: 16
          +1
          But the characteristics can change dramatically. And the gunpowder it is also different, like a bullet.
        3. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 5 September 2019 07: 16
          0
          But the characteristics can change dramatically. And the gunpowder it is also different, like a bullet.
    3. Shkworen
      Shkworen 4 September 2019 19: 26
      +3
      missiles, as an option :)
    4. vkl.47
      vkl.47 4 September 2019 23: 10
      +2
      What is the next scheme for laundering. Already with fury rage.
      1. missuris
        missuris 5 September 2019 14: 31
        0
        to some extent, yes, but not quite, the caliber of bullets has increased. speed too. the mass of the cartridge should remain in place if there are composite sleeves. the range of lay fire compared with .308 and 5.56 increased. armor-piercing and damage inflicted in comparison with 5.56 also increased. mass decreased compared to .308 (if the sleeve is new). the price has risen, like the pressure has risen.
    5. Chaldon48
      Chaldon48 5 September 2019 00: 14
      0
      There were attempts to create a cartridge in which a metal wire would burn in an atmosphere of highly compressed oxygen, but beyond the first experiments, as far as I know, the matter did not go.
    6. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 5 September 2019 13: 51
      0
      It’s still tricky, weapons are developed for a cartridge, and a cartridge for battle conditions .. at the moment the current cartridge + weapon complex is enough for the eyes, but the fact that very soon the exoskeleton will go into the standard equipment will change the battlefield very much .. ..in general, the Americans clearly decided to cut a little dough
  2. fruit_cake
    fruit_cake 4 September 2019 19: 01
    +9
    will buy AK?
    1. SASHA OLD
      SASHA OLD 4 September 2019 22: 13
      0
      rather rivet a batch of copies
      1. fruit_cake
        fruit_cake 5 September 2019 00: 11
        0
        Yes, they are already riveting, copyright lovers, only when necessary, it does not work
  3. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 4 September 2019 19: 07
    +3
    The transition to 6,8 mm ammunition will be quite long.
    Another thing, is it worth it?
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 4 September 2019 19: 16
      +4
      Plump Arisaka!
      The tradeoff between bullet power and air resistance!
      Can they attach antigravs to her, so that they would not draw to the earth?
      1. poquello
        poquello 4 September 2019 19: 32
        +1
        Quote: rocket757
        Can they attach antigravs to her, so that they would not draw to the earth?

        and then
      2. SASHA OLD
        SASHA OLD 4 September 2019 22: 13
        +1
        Quote: rocket757
        Can they attach antigravs to her, so that they would not draw to the earth?

        air cushion with propeller)
    2. 210ox
      210ox 4 September 2019 19: 16
      +3
      For the manufacturer - it’s worth ..
    3. paul3390
      paul3390 4 September 2019 19: 22
      +3
      Well - the notorious Grendel, they also for a long time in extremely promising numbers .. Which in girlhood is our cartridge 7.62x39, compressed under 6.5 ....
    4. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 4 September 2019 19: 31
      +4
      These are not our problems, let them figure it out whether they need it or not.
    5. tracer
      tracer 5 September 2019 05: 00
      -2
      According to statistics, there are fewer losses on the battlefield from stelkvoy weapons due to the use of protective equipment. So the answer suggests itself.
  4. Magic archer
    Magic archer 4 September 2019 19: 13
    +2
    Something smacks of lies. Another attempt to replace M 16 and its clones. Weapon tycoons pretty rub their wet hands)
  5. marshes
    marshes 4 September 2019 19: 19
    0
    Prior to this, NK 416 was considered, Now they swung at Zigzaur.
    1. fruit_cake
      fruit_cake 4 September 2019 19: 24
      +5
      Yes, actually why is it needed when everything is decided by throwing money into the revolution and zombie the population through digital technology
      1. marshes
        marshes 4 September 2019 19: 29
        -1
        Quote: fruit_cake
        Yes, actually why is it needed when everything is decided by throwing money into the revolution and zombie the population through digital technology

        Well, yes, I didn’t know long ago that my neighbor at Rambler in Moscow was working, before that I graduated from Bauman MVTU, I sold my patent for 218 lyam greens, to one of the search engines and how chic it was in life. laughing
      2. tracer
        tracer 4 September 2019 22: 01
        -3
        I don’t understand either. Would introduce a super-tech rubber handle interspersed with something that drastically improves accuracy and distribute it and the whole business .. well, you don’t have to cut a lot here, you have to radically change the approach. And change it.
  6. Rwmos
    Rwmos 4 September 2019 19: 49
    +3
    Judging by the two-component sleeve, they will file on the same ammunition as on the F-35
  7. Boozer
    Boozer 4 September 2019 19: 49
    0
    What is an ultralight machine gun? Is that a machine?
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 4 September 2019 21: 20
      +2
      No, it's a machine gun, only ultralight. laughing
  8. Operator
    Operator 4 September 2019 19: 52
    +3
    The revolution lies in the composite sleeve of the 6,8xNUMX Sheffield cartridge - it is made of steel (bottom part) and brass (the rest)
    1. Oleg1263
      Oleg1263 4 September 2019 20: 14
      +5
      I apologize for my ignorance, and what does this revolutionism give?
      1. Operator
        Operator 4 September 2019 21: 29
        0
        This is a question for the revolutionary - SIG Sayer'y laughing
      2. ultra
        ultra 4 September 2019 21: 32
        +4
        babosy arms manufacturers
      3. Romka47
        Romka47 5 September 2019 11: 43
        0
        Well, obviously not the land of the peasants) therefore there is nothing revolutionary here,
        Is it possible with her: ...
        "rob the loot")
    2. ltc35
      ltc35 4 September 2019 20: 20
      +2
      Why revolutionism? Is the cartridge more expensive? In any case, a cross between 5,56x45 and 7,62x51.
    3. garri-lin
      garri-lin 4 September 2019 20: 23
      +3
      And how to achieve a solid connection? And then he tore off the bottom and the sleeve in place. That will be a steep dive. PDA to make such a connection and durable and cheap. I don’t know.
      1. ltc35
        ltc35 4 September 2019 20: 25
        +1
        Apparently, this know-how is the revolutionary nature of the new cartridge.
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 4 September 2019 20: 31
          +1
          What's the point? Save on brass?
          1. ltc35
            ltc35 4 September 2019 20: 36
            +1
            Earn on the transition to a new cartridge. Those who have planned this savings and do not need.
            1. garri-lin
              garri-lin 4 September 2019 20: 38
              +1
              Ie such a transition will reduce the combat readiness of the Prtner army? Has the creator already been awarded the order?
              1. ltc35
                ltc35 4 September 2019 20: 41
                +1
                But what about them attacking something? laughing There is no need for China. We are partners. Let them frolic. Whatever the child is amusing!
          2. SASHA OLD
            SASHA OLD 4 September 2019 22: 27
            0
            Quote: garri-lin
            What's the point? Save on brass?

            and at the same time increase the price due to the complexity of the design of the ammunition ...
            1. garri-lin
              garri-lin 4 September 2019 23: 01
              +2
              It’s real like putting air conditioning on a bike.
      2. Boris Chernikov
        Boris Chernikov 5 September 2019 13: 54
        +1
        those. rupture of a cartridge in the receiver does not scare?)
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 5 September 2019 14: 01
          0
          Gap before the shot? Unlikely. For a machine gun depends on the filing. If it’s direct, then it’s also unlikely if it’s two-step (back from the tape, then send), that is, a chance. Extraction of the sleeve with a gap is more likely.
          1. SASHA OLD
            SASHA OLD 6 September 2019 00: 00
            +3
            Quote: garri-lin
            Gap before the shot? Unlikely. For a machine gun depends on the filing. If it’s direct, then it’s also unlikely if it’s two-step (back from the tape, then send), that is, a chance. Extraction of the sleeve with a gap is more likely.

            when conducting intensive fire, the chamber warmed up, the shooter stopped shooting in half of the store and was making a maneuver, the cartridge at this time was in the chamber, if the cartridge case, like ours, is steel plus having a pronounced taper of the cartridge case, then you just need to pull the trigger and most likely the shooting will continue without any problems, despite the fact that the sleeve has already managed to "stick" to the chamber: the steel is less refractory and the taper of the sleeve only allows it to be pulled off, then it comes out of the chamber "without resistance" - all this was thought out when creating a new cartridge initially, by the way, the taper of the sleeve is one of the factors of reliability of the automation system - less energy is spent on its extraction (especially in the conditions that I described above).
            and now let's look at the standard NATO cartridge 5.56 which ...
            it is made on the basis of a hunting cartridge, that is, its geometrical parameters are the same as those of the ".223 remington" cartridge for "varmint rifles", that is, for hunting small field rodents such as any rats and the like, this kind of activity never implied firing intensively, so the sleeve before its narrowing has a cylindrical shape, which is generally normal when you conduct a rare single fire and reload the weapon manually (the sliding bolt was on most models of rifles for varmint hunting), but when comes to high-intensity shooting with rare pauses - here troubles can begin: after the primer is pricked, the powder charge ignites, the shot process is in progress and the sleeve naturally inflates, including so that there is no breakthrough of gases from the chamber into the receiver.
            And now the 304th (for example))) shot in bursts, short and long, for 20 minutes of the battle, there is still no reinforcement, the machine is hot, what's going on in the chamber? - and there is hell there, and the cartridge is there, and the machine is already in the dirt in the dust, the exhaust pipe is soiled with soot (and it’s thin on the arches, and the finger fits on the AK), the exhaust works halfway and after a short pause, it’s enough so that the sleeve has time to stick to but not enough for a spontaneous shot, and here is a new convenient position, here is the enemy, fire ...

            what's the worst thing for a soldier in battle?

            when you click on the hook you expect BANG-BANG-BANG-BANG!
            and there is a BACH-click ...
            the shell got stuck, one shot happened and the automation didn’t have enough energy to pull the sticky cartridge from the chamber ...

            it remains to hope for comrades and begin to hammer out the sleeve through the barrel with a ramrod, which is long and difficult to do in a hurry under fire.
            This situation was somehow sorted out by NATO specialists in one video, I just immediately thought that this situation would not happen for AK, the sleeve, even stuck and swollen, will either tear off (move) due to more efficient operation of the automation, or to knock it out through the barrel just one push is enough, it will budge and fall out - tapering

            and normal machine guns fire from an open shutter, yes - the accuracy of the first shot suffers, but then such a case as above is excluded

            I was by no means going to teach you, I just remembered such an interesting moment hi
            1. garri-lin
              garri-lin 6 September 2019 00: 32
              +1
              So that's the point. In the new cartridge there is a probability of separation of the bottom. Thus, shooting is not possible and ramming out the liner with a ramrod is also impossible. The extractor will have to be invented in order to hook and pull hooks from the chamber side. Gorazdy mattresses work front for myself to come up with.
              1. SASHA OLD
                SASHA OLD 6 September 2019 00: 47
                +1
                Quote: garri-lin
                So that's the point. In the new cartridge there is a probability of separation of the bottom. Thus, shooting is not possible and ramming out the liner with a ramrod is also impossible. The extractor will have to be invented in order to hook and pull hooks from the chamber side. Gorazdy mattresses work front for myself to come up with.

                yeah, and in the photo this new cartridge again has a cylindrical sleeve, plus a structurally complicated ...
                really themselves Pinocchio!
    4. poquello
      poquello 4 September 2019 23: 02
      +2
      Quote: Operator
      The revolution lies in the composite sleeve of the 6,8xNUMX Sheffield cartridge - it is made of steel (bottom part) and brass (the rest)

      in, it is possible to feed with a magnet from a bucket into the chamber
  9. Karabas
    Karabas 4 September 2019 19: 53
    +5
    So they have it for a long time. The noisy cricket is called lol
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 4 September 2019 20: 25
      +9
      Alexei, did you see the return of this cricket? The American army is not ready for this yet. wink
      1. Karabas
        Karabas 4 September 2019 22: 54
        0
        I completely agree. We must write to them - you are not ready yet! laughing
  10. awg75
    awg75 4 September 2019 19: 59
    0
    this is cut money))) this is how much they work !!!!
    1. Bolo
      Bolo 4 September 2019 20: 10
      +3
      Well, why did you say that, now our thieves will brush their hair)
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 4 September 2019 21: 26
        +2
        Here you have rightly noticed! Now wait for Kalash for this caliber with a combined sleeve to save brass. Goodbye to cheap gas! bully
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 4 September 2019 23: 03
          +1
          Is this where Kalash has a brass sleeve? Kalash originally saved 100 percent brass. As well as iridium osmium and other valuable metals.
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 5 September 2019 11: 22
            0
            So that’s what it was about — it was steel — there will be brass saving on the tompak. And brass is already blooming and expensive. Colleague, here it’s not about rationality, but about the most profitable dough cut. It will be profitable - they will sculpt sleeves of gold. request
            1. garri-lin
              garri-lin 5 September 2019 12: 16
              +1
              Then I’ll go to the shooting gallery to work as a cleaner.
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 5 September 2019 15: 55
                +1
                I think the place of the cleaner in such a shooting range will be for life assigned to the next of kin of the Minister of Defense. wink
    2. ltc35
      ltc35 4 September 2019 20: 23
      0
      SIG will earn and share with anyone you need. With Colt, foam has already been removed before; now new lobbyists have grown up and also want to eat.
  11. Karaul14
    Karaul14 4 September 2019 20: 24
    +4
    The Americans set the pace, right now everyone laughs amicably, and then they begin to catch up, it was the same with stealth.
    1. kot423
      kot423 4 September 2019 20: 34
      0
      Uh-huh, "ask" ... In the mattress they also laughed at the "cartoons" together, but now the howl is going on, such as to include hyper in the contract, tk. the "askers" themselves first have a vacuum cleaner (for the dough), and then they constantly come out ...
      1. Karaul14
        Karaul14 5 September 2019 01: 54
        -3
        Quote: kot423
        Uh-huh, "ask" ... In the mattress they also laughed at the "cartoons" together, but now the howl is going on, such as to include hyper in the contract, tk. the "askers" themselves first have a vacuum cleaner (for the dough), and then they constantly come out ...
        It was more likely that Avagnard was essentially an ICBM combat unit, only planning, and the United States reminded that it fell under the START treaty, there was no howling, it was more like a Russian talk show. In fact, they will even withdraw from START soon if China does not join. And no one will include hyper in the contract for many reasons, if only because conventional ICBMs are also hypersound.
        1. kot423
          kot423 5 September 2019 09: 39
          +2
          Even the answer is lazy, but still: 1. Stealth in the performance of mattresses is a complete bullshit, which was proven back in Yugoslavia, by the Soviet! shaggy complex from old age. 2. According to the article, it is not the striped ones who have reached their "mind", they just sat down "to suck" the zigzauer in their development. Attention question: - where, in what place do mattresses "set the pace" in the military-industrial complex? In the form of an iron, a penguin (not to mention abrashka, rab, pro, etc.)?
          1. Karaul14
            Karaul14 5 September 2019 21: 12
            -1
            Quote: kot423
            Even the answer is lazy, but still: 1. Stealth in the performance of mattresses is a complete bullshit, which was proven back in Yugoslavia, by the Soviet! shaggy complex from old age. 2. According to the article, it is not the striped ones who have reached their "mind", they just sat down "to suck" the zigzauer in their development. Attention question: - where, in what place do mattresses "set the pace" in the military-industrial complex? In the form of an iron, a penguin (not to mention abrashka, rab, pro, etc.)?
            They shot down the 1976 production complex of the year, while the F-117 made its first flight in the 81 year, the complex is about the same shaggy as the F-117 itself, and of the number that they flew there, only one was shot down, is that not an indicator? And since those years, technologies have been improved, B-2, for example, also participated there, but did not bring down a single one. So this is understandable, the stealth is bullshit, but just in case we will do it too))) I talked about this.
            Their Abrams, missile defense and electronic warfare were already actually in combat conditions, unlike Russian ones, and successfully. And the very concept of modern warfare was developed by the Americans and demonstrated in 91 during Operation Desert Storm.
            1. SASHA OLD
              SASHA OLD 6 September 2019 10: 02
              +1
              Quote: Karaul14
              And the very concept of modern warfare was developed by the Americans and demonstrated in 91 during Operation Desert Storm.

              the concept of a battle against an enemy that is technologically inferior and has outdated weapons systems - yes, it has been worked out.
              their whole military concept is built on this, starting from aircraft carriers and ending with a tactical body kit on an assault rifle.
              And in general, not to say that this is a bad concept: after all, it is precisely with such opponents that the United States encounters, but what if someone who has the same advanced technologies and is equal in strength clings to them?
              will their war-bushman-centered concept successfully confront an equal enemy?
              and it is not necessary about stealth: ours do "with elements of stealth" and the Americans are into it, the joke is that for a decimeter radar, all this stealth is generally like a pistol, only the outer contours of the hull will play a role (the same sweep angles on the wings and tail for example) and then very, very "not very".
              you understand that the plane becomes a real stealth, that is, so that it is at least detected from half the distance laid down in the decimeter radar, the technologies that mattresses are using now do not work. They use a special coating that ensures "invisibility" ... but its layer against modern radars must cover the plane from all irradiation angles and at the same time have a minimum thickness of 2.5 centimeters! (only then it will be able to work against decimeter waves, 2.5 centimes - not a millimeter less) Can you imagine the weight of the smeared gel now? Now think about how to keep it on the hull during supersonic, and then add its cost, taking into account that it needs to be reapplied after each flight, and now imagine that this is a remote US Air Force base, how much of this coating needs to be carried there, how will this affect logistics?
              and the main question: will the aircraft generally remain combat-ready, can it even take off at all? after all, there are several extra tons of semi-liquid mass on it, which strives to peel off, which should not be allowed.
              stealth technology is a set of measures, ours use it in moderation, and the Americans decided to stick around and eventually sacrificed the LTX of weapons carriers (which is a fighter and not only), while not achieving the same invisibility.
              if you know at least a little about radar, you will understand what I wrote about, I am not a very expert myself: I have a 2nd class in radar reconnaissance plus some time in civilian life, not much, but on the whole, this is enough for me to be very skeptical about "invisibility" of American battle litacs
    2. Quadro
      Quadro 5 September 2019 07: 42
      +5
      Oh well. You can clearly see how everyone "ran and hair back" when they failed miserably on LSAT and 9mm cartridges, and also all "ran" when they made a tank and artillery to replace the abrams with a paladin for a new concept, sawing several billions and closing the project. Already sick of servility and vsepalschikov with their "yes they are omnipotent and set the fashion", and you can see how "no howling" that they shout under every iron that the Russians have stolen hypersound from them and everything, everything, everything.
  12. lucul
    lucul 4 September 2019 20: 39
    +8
    What is the difference between AK and other machines?
    AK made for the war - and the rest of the machines - for sale.
    1. Romka47
      Romka47 5 September 2019 12: 09
      +1
      I’ll directly save your comment! gold words!!!!
    2. SASHA OLD
      SASHA OLD 6 September 2019 12: 58
      0
      Quote: lucul
      What is the difference between AK and other machines?
      AK made for the war - and the rest of the machines - for sale.

      after a nuclear war, to survive from weapons, you will need an AK with a couple of stores, a bucket of ordinary and a bowler of armor-piercing rounds, and that's because other personal weapons will stop working
  13. l.jensen
    l.jensen 4 September 2019 20: 39
    +3
    Doormans have low sales of vending machines. A contract with the US Army would help them a lot. Now the position of Swiss arms is difficult. Sales of cartridges save the whole company. My wife has all the rifles and machine guns of her ancestors and her, they stand at home, many of them. Of course, the quality is excellent, constructively interesting, but I don’t know how they can compete in price. Most likely they will come up with complete thugs, and they have a military police officer.
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    2. SASHA OLD
      SASHA OLD 6 September 2019 13: 51
      0
      well, Sig Sawyer has always been on the "if you want a good barrel, you have to pay well for it"
      even in all kinds of Hollywood action movies, the head hero flaunted the gun of this company - because Sig is cool (because it’s expensive and rich).
      cheaply they never positioned themselves
      maybe it means if the order is large (not for a couple of groups of specialists but seriously, for example, ILCs), then the price tag will drop, or some bonuses from the company are relied on: a collimator for each barrel from a partner company ...
      their Sig 550 series seemed to have sold out pretty well at one time ...
  14. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 4 September 2019 20: 48
    +1
    In terms of price and quality, they still can’t catch up, they can only wunderwaffle most likely without a future, create one that will force the puppet modes like fu 35.
    1. Karaul14
      Karaul14 5 September 2019 02: 06
      -9
      The price-quality screwdriver is better than AK and so what? The same M-16s with a high accuracy, a buttstock adjustable in length, a picatinny rail, a normally inserted magazine, the ability to easily disassemble and also with a higher power than the AK, cost more than the AK, but this is the life of a soldier and victory in battle, therefore, there is no cost here. In the same way, here, if the new weapon is really better in terms of characteristics, then they will accept it, since the US Army will have enough money for automatic weapons, whatever they are.
      1. Squelcher
        Squelcher 5 September 2019 03: 15
        +2
        And here is the answer and the machine, like to juggle? I agree the accuracy of the automatic M16-like above, single accuracy is comparable. The acorns were created for a great war. But the cost, reliability and exactingness to the quality of the ammunition?
        1. tracer
          tracer 5 September 2019 05: 22
          +7
          You're right. I now try not to compare them at all. They are too different and different conceptually. The machine was made taking into account the experience of the Second World War where the density of fire at an effective distance in the end decided everything. Not accuracy, namely density. Always been a good shooter and of course in the service too. He helped to shoot company guns before the offsets. And I know what I’m talking about. But hell, after a walk in the fresh air of 20 kilometers in the mountains, what is the exact fire there? You are good if you shoot in that direction. At first, many did not fall into stress at first. What phenomenal accuracy is there? Then of course, ka then comes across normally .. Then reliability comes out in the first place right away. What in modern versions of AR is not in principle. Although the technology of its manufacture was rolled back to the smallest detail. Actually, the concept of all sights on emkas was uttered in order to reduce burst shooting to the minimum possible. Since this has a terrible effect on the work of feeding the cartridge and its extraction. In a car workshop, the fire mode can be almost constant (without fanaticism, if only the trunk would not overheat).
          1. Squelcher
            Squelcher 5 September 2019 07: 36
            +3
            Everything is accurate, neither diminish nor add.
          2. Karaul14
            Karaul14 5 September 2019 21: 24
            -1
            It turns out that then neither accuracy nor convenience is needed at all, the soldiers are frightened and tired. But who told you that modern AR variants are unreliable? You correctly said that the technology was rolled back to the smallest detail, the rifle went through more than one war, and in modern versions all the shortcomings are taken into account. "The concept of all sights on emkas" had a primary reason - to improve the accuracy of fire.
            1. tracer
              tracer 5 September 2019 22: 08
              -3
              The primary reason is to keep bursting to a minimum. This is the first reason. The second reason is the military-industrial complex wishing to sell such bells and whistles. The third reason to give the opportunity to theoretically shoot "accurately", but not for long ...
              In my opinion, we came across on other articles on this topic. Your knowledge of weapons did not strike me as deep enough. Therefore, I am not going to argue and prove to you something. I will just note that the accessories from "Warrior" are useful things as they were specially made for the machine. Only greenhouse and night vision works well.
              1. Karaul14
                Karaul14 5 September 2019 23: 38
                -1
                My knowledge in weapons is not deep, but deep enough to understand that American specialists have the deepest :)
      2. Boris Chernikov
        Boris Chernikov 5 September 2019 14: 01
        0
        the question is the cost to the increase in efficiency .. now we have the Ak-74M being modernized according to the body kit .. put on the sight and you will get a similar weapon. An ordinary "revolutionary" rifle will cost much more expensive than the old M4, but the gain will be insignificant .. This is not to mention the fact that they change the saw to a similar light machine gun, although the trend says about the transition to the company 7,62 in each compartment
  15. Old26
    Old26 4 September 2019 23: 01
    +3
    Quote: Sea Cat
    Here you have rightly noticed! Now wait for Kalash for this caliber with a combined sleeve to save brass. Goodbye to cheap gas! bully

    So, about 10 years ago, information about creating an automatic machine and a light machine gun for a caliber of 6,4 mm flashed across us. True, everything is quiet now
  16. Azazelo
    Azazelo 5 September 2019 00: 34
    +1
    Something it all reminds me of ... the search for a child prodigy for victory. This path for Hitler did not end very well.
  17. capsid
    capsid 5 September 2019 04: 49
    +1
    Yes .. SIG SAUER will cut the money if they are adopted. Then all NATO will be equipped with this machine. In short ... the guys found a job ..
  18. Ali Kokand
    Ali Kokand 5 September 2019 06: 00
    +1
    Apparently, after the partners have adopted a new 6,5mm cartridge and a shooter for it, in the Russian Federation they will destroy a 7,62 by 39mm cartridge and the same will be adopted. Cheap and cheerful, and the production base is already there, it will easily establish production.
    1. tracer
      tracer 5 September 2019 19: 20
      -3
      There is no sense to this.
      Since the losses from small arms are becoming less due to the massive use of protective equipment.
  19. shinobi
    shinobi 5 September 2019 06: 14
    -1
    In the west, there has been a rollback from small calibers, here the arms companies fussed. 5,56 a little, 7,62 a lot (although someone like that), so they stopped at 6,8. The caliber of the Arisak rifle, which showed itself quite well in the war.
    1. SASHA OLD
      SASHA OLD 6 September 2019 14: 04
      0
      Arisaki had 6.5 as far as I remember
      but I agree with throwing "a lot, a little"
      1. shinobi
        shinobi 6 September 2019 14: 08
        +1
        Yes, right.6,5, I looked in the wrong column.
  20. paul3390
    paul3390 5 September 2019 08: 17
    0
    Quote: ltc35
    In any case, a cross between 5,56x45 and 7,62x51.

    Namely, this is what they are trying to achieve ... To increase the damaging effect and the range of a direct shot, while not very lifting up the weight of the cartridge and the recoil momentum ..
  21. paul3390
    paul3390 5 September 2019 08: 25
    +1
    Quote: Karaul14
    M-16 with high accuracy

    The problems with accuracy of AKs are mainly due to the crappiness of a massive army patron, and not the design. I assure you that even the Russian Centaur behaves differently, not to mention more decent cartridges. Personally outweighed the army pack - by 20 pcs. I got a difference of 0.6 grams between the extreme values ​​.. What a heap here ...
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 5 September 2019 08: 53
      0
      The problems with the accuracy of AKs are mainly due to the shittyness of the massive army cartridge, and not the design.

      Not only the cartridge, but the quality of the barrel. In any company, you can find Kalash with accuracy a cut above that of all the others.
  22. VicktorVR
    VicktorVR 5 September 2019 10: 13
    0
    Is the office like a German? But what about import substitution, buy American and return to US production?

    Most likely, the key condition for concluding a contract is the complete localization of production in the United States.