A light in the end of a tunnel. The course of historical development of Russia

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"The corridors end with a wall,
And the tunnels bring to light "
Vladimir Vysotsky. Ballad of childhood


History through her subjective perception. About the reasons for the collapse of the USSR on the "VO" already who just did not write. For example, an engineer - and why not? From his bell tower he sees one. The artist would see something else. The poet is the third. The sociologist is the fourth. And there would always be a fifth one ... When, for example, the last time my students conducted a sociological survey of the residents of Penza about what they see as the reason that not everything is good with them and who is to blame, they got a real bunch of opinions . One thing was indicative: the opinion of a guy who was of a most marginal appearance from a sleeping area, who said this: “Americans, and this one, like him, Yeltsin!”




So this underground passage under the tracks of Penza-1 station, connecting the railway station with the bus station, looks now. But once a passenger car carrier traveled through it on rails and “Bread” vans traveled


That’s why I won’t bother VO readers with either numbers, facts, or links to various smart magazines - why? I’ll just try to show by the example of the development of our only Penza infrastructure the whole course of our historical development. Again, through the prism of my own memories, I have a good memory, and the Penza Encyclopedia is at hand. Well, I’ll make my Penzens happy. They will go to VO, and here about our city and the “native” railway tunnel. Just read everything, not a line, and try not to think up anything for the author, as some like it. Here is the text, but in the text everything you need, plus photos.


To the left of his entrance, on a high embankment, was the military commissariat of the Zheleznodorozhny district. Now almost nothing remains of the embankment. That's how much soil has been moved here over the past decades.


So, I was born in the 1954 year and somewhere at the age of five I realized that I was living on Proletarskaya Street, and in a rather strange place. The strange thing is that it was very difficult to get to the central streets of the city ... well, it’s very difficult, let’s say so. The fact is that the city is crossed at once by four railways, on which there are four stations: Penza -1,2,3,4. And all would be fine, but ... because of the railways it was difficult to get to the center. Here the crossing and the barrier and the bus cost 10 minutes until the train passes. There is a bridge from which it’s not something that is dripping, but streams of dirty water pouring, and besides, it is far from you. Although ... the most important station Penza-1 was just not far from my house. Three streets led to it - Lunacharsky, Pearl and Blacksmithing, and all three rested in an underground tunnel over which trains ran. In 1935 — 1937, the city had a narrow-gauge railway in Penza, for which this tunnel was built under the path of Penza I, converted after the narrow-gauge railway was closed into a road one and then a pedestrian one. These streets in Soviet times were green, shady and ... dirty. For example, on Proletarskaya Street until 1959 there was no asphalt. There were wooden sidewalks - planks on sleds that caved in when walking. They were especially funny in the spring. Water accumulated beneath them and when they stepped on them, they sprayed upwards in streams through the holes from the knots. And women fell under skirts! And they squealed and pulled up their skirts, and there were multi-colored leggings to the knees, which, of course, was very funny.


In the 60 years of the last century, this building of a music school was surrounded by private houses from all sides. Now it goes straight to Lunacharsky Street ...


Then they laid asphalt, but ... the enormous clearing where these three streets converged remained unprepared. There were ruts filled with green slurry, and it was impossible to go straight through it. Well, trucks drove through the tunnel itself, including Khleb vans, and for residents of the Strela district (the store was called in a five-story stone house built in 1965), this route was the most reliable to get to the city center. The area was still that. There are boys ... "Where are you from?" "What are you pulling, I live on Strela ... I understand ?!" My daughter already at what time walked freely around the city until late, because ... "I’m from Proletarskaya Street, well, fuck off!" or "I live on Arrow, what do you need ?!"


There was a wasteland on which a mobile zoo often unfold. To the wasteland - continuous private development. Now here is such a modern shopping center


But the tunnel itself was a very vile place. Firstly, he was not paved, and mud-filled ruts stretched through him, which did not dry out even in the hot summer. It dripped from above and it was best not to fall under these creosote-fuel oil drops. For pedestrians, the path again from the boards was laid only on one side and fenced with iron bars through which dirt flew from the wheels to passers-by. The wall that had to be pressed against was also dirty and slimy. So it was necessary to pass this tunnel quickly, not to fall under drops from above and splashes from the side. And it has been so long, very long. The leading personalities of the city had neither boards nor an iron sheet to block the passage for people from cars, and it was impossible to make a “roof” over it either. All funds went to the construction of the magnificent building of the CPSU regional committee.


This is all that remains of the old houses, which were visible and invisible here.


The old station was demolished in the 1969 year, and by the 1974 year a new one was built, and at the same time, this terrible tunnel was completely rebuilt. They drove thousands of tons of land to the place where the three streets named above and two meters met, no less, raised the relief of this place, covered everything with asphalt and built a modern bus station in the place of a dirty wasteland. The terrain around has changed beyond recognition. And most importantly - now the "vile tunnel" has turned into a normal underground passage. True ... very imperfect. In heavy rains he was flooded with water almost knee-deep. And the two stone stairs leading into it practically did not allow either mothers with wheelchairs or disabled people in wheelchairs to cross it.


View of the bus station from the shopping center "Mercury"


My wife and I were faced with this in the 1975 year, when we had a daughter. We both studied, my mother worked, and each time, when we were going to college, we had to take the child to his mother-in-law on Moskovskaya Street, that is, to the very center of the city, from where it was already close at hand to our university. So we crossed this passage twice a day and in any weather. You could get around it, but you had to make a very big hook. Nevertheless, we often preferred to go around (“real heroes always go around!”), So as not to “bother” on its steps. Well, for wheelchair users, it was just an insurmountable obstacle from the word "completely." Somehow, all this did not fit with the then-slogan "Everything for the good of man." Well ... they wouldn’t have put the extra five columns in the same regional committee, and would have made a convenient ramp for mothers of wheelchairs, but ... it didn’t even occur to the bosses there. Although it was affirmed - “The people and the party are united!” Probably, it was so (we didn’t seriously think about it then), but not in relation to that underground passage.


It looks like today this elevator for the disabled on the stairs facing the platform of the Penza-1 station


Durable iron rails - they now stand on its steps in both directions, appeared only when Penza with checkered bags massively rushed to China. Well, it was elementary to lift them up the stairs, so the rails appeared. "Being, so to speak, defines consciousness." You can roll and roll a stroller along them, although this is a laborious task and not for the faint of heart.

But a few years ago, Penza was seized by a boom in the construction of ramps for the disabled. How many years have passed since the 1917 year? Exactly 100, no less. And then it finally happened. The authorities remembered the most unprotected (purely physically) and the most disadvantaged category of our citizens, many of whom did not leave their apartments for years and decades. There is no elevator, there are no ramps, there are no strong relatives either. And how to move around the city? And everywhere, at the entrances to banks and shops, pharmacies and universities there were ramps for wheelchairs, sometimes so cleverly designed that they most resemble a maze. Well, they didn’t design it right away, so I had to do it later, “pervert”. Where it was absolutely impossible to attach a ramp to the porch, call buttons appeared. A disabled person drove up, pressed a button - an office worker immediately left and served him. Well, even so.


View of it from the tunnel. As you can see, the stairs up here are very long


But what about the famous “tunnel”? Oh, he went through another truly wonderful ... reconstruction. More than a year ago, horizontal elevators for wheelchairs appeared on both stairs. They work like this: a person drives up, presses a button, the platform leans back, he calls in on it, and starts moving. Arrived, pressed a button and move on.

That is, finally, the authorities, as they say, “scratched themselves”. It’s no longer a workers' and peasants’s, it’s true, but “anti-people” (as we sometimes like to call it), but with a black sheep there is at least a tuft of wool. For a while, these elevators stood, pleased the eyes of passers-by, but did not work.


“Amazing is nearby, but it is forbidden!”


A year passed and because of the weather they were wrapped in film, so now for poor disabled people, in order to use these two elevators, you need to call the operator, wait until he uncoils this “cocoon”, and only then he will be taken where necessary. The plate warns - it is forbidden to use lifts for disabled people on their own.


View of the elevator at the bottom of the stairs facing the bus station


It is good that the city also has a special taxi service for the disabled, and its cars carry them wherever needed. And so it all happened right after Aesop's fable: “He sees the eye, but the tooth is numb!” Because who needs such trouble?

The most interesting thing is that in the same neighboring Poland I saw exactly the same “lifting platforms” in the park in front of the Royal Castle in Warsaw. There was a beautiful green lawn covered with dense trimmed grass, and two such horizontal elevators led to this platform at once. That is, so that people with disabilities can simply ride on the green grass, rejoice at the beauty of the castle, relax in nature. And no formidable frightening inscriptions and polyethylene “roll up” ...


Almost the same lift in the center of Warsaw at the Royal Castle


And now, a few conclusions, so that no one would think, not guessed what the material was about. It is that the humanism of any society is directly related to the attitude towards the elderly, sick, disabled and children. There were enough disabled people in our country — after all, we survived the war — but we could not boast of our attitude towards them. Clearly, all such matters were mastered by space. However, attitudes toward people also matter. “How powerful is the Impostor? - Tsar Boris Boyar Pushkin asks in the drama “Boris Godunov” and receives the answer: “No, not with arms, not with Polish help, but with opinion, yes, popular opinion!”


This photo shows two elevators left and right, leading to this nice meadow!


Second: you can’t turn a good deed into campaigning, and start expensive devices for show. It would be simpler, say, how this is practiced in the West, to arrange a gentle ramp in the Penza tunnel on one side and an elevator on the other. Such elevators are everywhere in the cities there. And not only in cities, but even just on the highway near pedestrian bridges.

However, if we look at the dynamics, we will see that changes ... have been and are happening regardless of the political system, that’s how it is! There were boards - it became asphalt - then they made the transition - then they laid the rails, then they made the conveyor ... Yes, for 100 years, but the fact of changes for the better is evident, right? That is, social wealth is growing and life around is changing! Now it remains to wait until the authorities begin to take care of people not for themselves, but for themselves. But the "light at the end of the tunnel" we already see. The elevators are already standing. It remains to remove the “wrapper” from them and make sure that people use them. Could it "there", we will gradually take over and we!
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  1. +4
    9 September 2019 15: 16
    About the causes of the collapse of the USSR One thing was indicative: the opinion of a guy who was marginal in appearance from a sleeping area, who said this: “Americans, and this one, like him, Yeltsin!”
    The smartest guys live in Penza, Penny Shpakovsky!
    1. +3
      9 September 2019 15: 30
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      About the causes of the collapse of the USSR One thing was indicative: the opinion of a guy who was marginal in appearance from a sleeping area, who said this: “Americans, and this one, like him, Yeltsin!”
      The smartest guys live in Penza, Penny Shpakovsky!

      Was that irony?
      1. -1
        10 September 2019 20: 42
        Is there a theme for irony? feel
  2. -18
    9 September 2019 15: 21
    In Westland, due to late marriages and other things, a bunch of disabled people were born. Because the topic with elevators and ramps. It affected us less.
    1. +1
      9 September 2019 15: 30
      I do not know, but what is the difference in marriages and the average age of our parents and theirs? And what is "other"?
    2. +16
      9 September 2019 15: 45
      Quote: bzbo
      It affected us less.

      If this does not bother you, it does not mean that people with disabilities do not exist.
      Until now, before the eyes of the boarding school for "abandoned" children with cerebral palsy. Smart, lively eyes of very small and extinct, without a spark of hope for older children. We held a "chef" concert there ...
      And today there are trolleybuses in the city, in which an elderly person gets up with difficulty, and what to say about disabled people. Only in Moscow will they show how the platform goes down. In our city, not at all intersections it is possible to overcome the curb stone right away. All right, somewhere in the backyard, but here right in front of the restored "Yubileiny" (as a vivid example) and on the Boulevard of Builders (intersection with Khimikov Ave.) the wheelchair will not get out and up to the street. Voroshilov will not rise ...
      But in general, gentlemen Penzyuki, you are still lucky. There are such "shanghai" in which the capital of the region looks like an abandoned village.
      1. +8
        9 September 2019 16: 57
        I will say the following. About a hundred years ago, dirt, smoke and decay were with a few exceptions around the world. And progress is also visible around the world. With a few exceptions. And we, too, are trying to keep up. However, it turns out as always. But they really wanted the best. request
    3. -1
      9 September 2019 16: 59
      ))))))))))))))))
    4. +14
      9 September 2019 17: 08
      Not the point, but the fact that a normal matter was turned into a formal reply. In fact, these elevators (not cheap) do not work. And only because of our very characteristic "love" of the authorities for their own citizens. What is important to me? Shob bulo for the jackdaw - they will come with a check, I'll unwind everything here, take off the signs - I'm done! And to put it into operation - I'm not crazy, it's Penzyuki! They will break everyone, I know, he himself is!
      Idiocy. Why then put it at all?
      Always like this. Example, it just turned me off. World Cup recently remember? The British come, who, due to drunken violence, have been thrown out of tournaments more than once, for 5 years, it seems to them that they were forbidden to travel to Europe for visiting matches - either stabbing or fighting, and it still has been like this to this day. The Germans, by the way, are no better. Turks - in general frostbite, no bfd from the sleeping area - was nearby. Yugoslavs there too ...
      For their sake, they allowed beer in stadiums. Once again, these are those who have been knocked on by drunk fans among fans - a common thing (except for Germans, they are just hooligans). And to its citizens - down. Why? Just because it's not English ... Bullshit. This is from the same key. Yes, but no fools!
      1. -1
        9 September 2019 17: 35
        Quote: RWMos
        And to its citizens - down.

        It seems that the authorities agreed to sell beer at the stadiums - the beer lobby was probably a bit fake.
        1. +9
          9 September 2019 17: 44
          The bottom line is that for the sake of this newly arrived byd.d.la.-all were immediately allowed, and without any delay. Without yelling about how this is possible, this is fanaty and frostbite. Although, let me remind you, the same British - namely fanaty and frostbite, in Volgograd, for example, again distinguished themselves by drunkenness.
          But for the citizens of their country - as long as the hell is on the collar, things do not go further than the talking room. How can zhish! That is civilized Europe! Gorged to unconsciousness and with sharpening in the sleeve. And then Vasya is a tractor driver from Rostov - is he a beer? It will cost, serf!
          1. +4
            9 September 2019 19: 28
            Ilya - laugh especially for you. It always has been! I came with my wife to Anapa in 1977. And we went to the cinema. I'm wearing white shorts and a shirt - a la Pedro Zurita from Amphibian Man. They came, but ... the usher won't let you in. No way in shorts ... Go to change your pants - be late for the movie. Here the usher changed. I went to the newsstand bought a cigar crown, then they were sold in all the booths, tied my wife's scarf around my neck and ... we went again. I smoke a cigar ... Ticket lady: Where? In shorts, with a cigar? I - here you are? His wife is Senor Mikael Martenes, a student from Cuba, studying our culture ... He did not know. They can smoke in the movies and wear shorts ... He is very sorry. The woman froze, her face depicted "Cuba, yes, Yankees, no!" and missed, and the cigar had to be pointedly extinguished in the ashtray. I always disgusted me with such an attitude towards foreigners.
            1. +4
              9 September 2019 20: 22
              laughing
              Yes, I also had something similar, but it was somewhat more uncivilized - in Rostov-on-Don they slowed down about checking documents, I sent a cop in four languages, and my friend explained - they’d take figs from these Irish ... Russia, stress, hospitality - tired comrade wink Let go ...
              But this can still be understood by the guard or ticket agent, but on the part of the leadership - this is already stupid. I will give an example about the very beer in the stadium. Familiar words: Uvas in the country will not be football because it does not pay off. So you went to the match now. paid for the ticket, there is a light snack during the break - all that the organizers have had from you. And now you are sitting with me in a tavern on the other side of the city, where you will leave much more money. In the same Germany, you would have sat down before the match and then - in a tavern at the stadium - and the money would have gone to the club, the club will become better off - more money - better club infrastructure, for example, the same football schools ...
              Like this. Just beer is just in the stadium - it simply increases the payback of football and simply develops it. Who wants to get drunk - get drunk and so. And football officials do not understand this? Then they are out of place ...
            2. -1
              10 September 2019 15: 23
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p-kjtohPiY
      2. +1
        9 September 2019 22: 18
        Quote: RWMos
        In fact, these elevators (not cheap) do not work.

        It works at our porch. I suppose that throughout the house there is one serving organization.
      3. +3
        10 September 2019 08: 16
        Quote: RWMos
        In fact, these elevators (not cheap) do not work. And only because of our very characteristic "love" of the authorities for their own citizens.

        A "separate" part of our citizens is characterized by the trait of vandalism and lack of culture - how not to scratch or break, if possible, just bring a cigarette butt or an ice cream wrapper to an urn or trash can "weak". Here I agree with the author -In Poland, in this case, it is better, they are more for political vandalism.
        1. -1
          10 September 2019 10: 53
          Morality from the category - you don’t need to put bins, because even by the bins they throw garbage ... So?
          1. 0
            10 September 2019 21: 56
            Quote: RWMos
            Morality from the category - you don’t need to put bins, because even by the bins they throw garbage ... So?
            The moral is: "Not where they clean up, but where they don't litter."
  3. +10
    9 September 2019 15: 22
    It looks like today this elevator for the disabled on the stairs facing the platform of the Penza-1 station

    These lifts for moving disabled people are far from elevators!
    Believe my humble knowledge.
    But there are few who wish to balance such lifts! At stations, at least security and police are. And such lifts made at elevated crossings are quickly incapacitated by banal vandalism!
    There was news about a squabble of tenants in whose house a similar mechanism was installed - the meeting of tenants refused to pay for its maintenance, repair and annual inspection!
    1. 0
      9 September 2019 22: 20
      Quote: hohol95
      the meeting of tenants refused to pay for its maintenance, repair and annual inspection!

      We do not have a line about payment, but it has been working for 7 years.
      1. 0
        10 September 2019 09: 48
        They have a HOA, and you? Perhaps the Criminal Code and everything was included in the price by combining with payment for elevators. And there is a 5-story house!
    2. +1
      10 September 2019 08: 27
      Quote: hohol95
      These lifts for moving disabled people are far from elevators!

      Quote: BAI
      Such lifts for the disabled have appeared in many places, including in hospitals. I didn’t use it myself, but I suspect that it’s difficult to use them right away, without practice. So the injury is not far away. Therefore, use only with service personnel.

      Disabled people usually with an accompanying person. Three buttons up, down, platform.
      Quote: Old Tankman
      In many old houses, for a long time, rather light gutters are installed on narrow stairs that are hinged to the wall.

      Happy holiday!
      Quote: hohol95
      First, a person with disabilities needs to leave his home.
      Good if there is an elevator

      You can have a child on such a ramp, no adult. Therefore, people with disabilities do not use them. According to GOST, the slope should be 5 degrees, up to 10 is allowed. A wheelchair is not included in standard elevators. Therefore, lifts are needed.
      1. +1
        10 September 2019 09: 52
        Wheelchairs are not included in standard elevators. Therefore, lifts are needed.

        And what are the dimensions of the strollers?
        Everything should come in if the doors open completely! On the old 320 kg, the doors did not open completely - and the strollers had to be pushed apart by pushing the doors with your hands. Sashes are now opening the entire width of the openings.
        1. +1
          10 September 2019 10: 21
          Quote: hohol95
          And what are the dimensions of the strollers?
          Everything should come in if the doors open completely! On the old 320 kg, the doors did not open completely - and the strollers had to be pushed apart by pushing the doors with your hands. Sashes are now opening the entire width of the openings.

          All is correct. Navskid not say about the size. For overall disabled person and accompanying person, no such elevators are provided. And they still put them when replacing. It takes me about an hour to lower or raise. I try to take it out at least once a week. The ramp was made near the entrance, saving up for the lift. I do not hope for the state.
          1. +1
            10 September 2019 10: 43
            And didn’t you think that a cabin with other overall dimensions simply won’t enter the mine?
            The cab for 320 will not fit into the mine for 630 kg !!! Never! Only 400 kg with approximate cab dimensions. And a mirror to exit the cab in reverse.
            Our guys took the lift - but only the woman waiting for him left in another world. But the money came and installed it!
            1. +2
              10 September 2019 10: 58
              Quote: hohol95
              And didn’t you think that a cabin with other overall dimensions simply won’t enter the mine?

              Of course, the size of the mine is constant. I wrote about a reality faced by residents of 5, 9-storey buildings .. The size of the stroller in my case is smaller, not standard, is also not possible. Therefore, there is only one way out - a lift, but for now you have to "squirm".
              1. +1
                10 September 2019 11: 33
                Aperture in the light for 400 kg of elevator (with fully open cabin doors) - 700 mm! The width of the cabin inside is 920 mm, the depth is 1020 mm. Standard height - 2100 mm.
                To exit the cab in reverse, they thought up hanging mirrors on the rear wall of the cab (if it is not possible to deploy the stroller inside the cab).
                Which floor do you want to climb with the lift?
                1. +1
                  10 September 2019 18: 32
                  Quote: hohol95
                  Aperture in the light for 400 kg of elevator (with fully open cabin doors) - 700 mm! The width of the cabin inside is 920 mm, the depth is 1020 mm. Standard height - 2100 mm.

                  Sorry, I specially came from work-measured. Elevator Mogilev, 400kg, opening width -640mm, with sashes-630mm.
                  I have two strollers, one for home and one for air. Width 655mm and 670mm.
                  Quote: hohol95
                  Which floor do you want to climb with the lift?

                  I did not write about Wishlist. I wrote above that I'm saving up for a lift. I’ll accumulate, install. By the way, our people are talented, even some use the hoist. I also considered this option.
                  I don’t understand what you want to hear from me.
                  "The well-fed does not understand the hungry." I wrote my comments for one reason - it affects millions of your fellow citizens, if you count close people with disabilities. Many do not know about this, right?
                  And, our people, in spite of everything, are kind. There was not a single time that they did not offer help on the street when we left.
                  The main problem of people with disabilities is not in ramps, lifts and elevators, not in social assistance. In relatives and those around them.
  4. +4
    9 September 2019 15: 40
    A year passed and because of the weather they were wrapped in film, so now for the poor people with disabilities, in order to use these two elevators, you need to call the operator, wait until he uncoils this “cocoon”, and only then will take him where necessary. The plate warns - it is forbidden to use lifts for disabled people on their own.

    GOST R 56421-2015
    Lifting platforms for the disabled and other people with limited mobility.
    General safety requirements for operation
    7.1.7 Upon completion of the inspection and verification of the functioning of the platform and the absence of equipment malfunctions and deviations in the prescribed operating modes of the platform, the operator disconnects the platform and makes an appropriate entry in the log of the platform’s shift inspection.
    7.1.8 If it is necessary to move the user on the platform, the operator turns on the platform and, if necessary, sets the load-bearing device to the working position for intended use.
    Everything is strictly in accordance with GOST!
    And there are a lot of similar GOSTs in our country in recent years.
    You, Vyacheslav Olegovich, use the elevator, but you don't know how many of our "higher authorities" have written such documents.
    One of them -
    GOST 33652-2015 (EN 81-70: 2003) Passenger elevators. Technical requirements for accessibility, including accessibility for people with disabilities and other people with limited mobility
    Is changing. Everything is changing. But people themselves must relate to mechanisms without vandalism! Then everything will work!
  5. +18
    9 September 2019 15: 42
    . the humanism of any society is directly related to the attitude towards the elderly, sick, disabled and children.


    Free quality medicine, free quality education, free pioneer camps, guaranteed pension, but there were no elevators for the disabled. Inhuman state of the USSR? Shpakovsky, such ... Shpakovsky.
    1. +1
      10 September 2019 10: 25
      Sorry, are we discussing the author or his article?
      If we are talking about the deceased USSR, then I can tell a lot about the quality services to the population in it, which does not mean that I desecrate the dead. He was different ..... And I am not trying, based solely on personal memories and feelings, to issue verdicts. And in the Union and in general.
      In the USSR, there was a lot of "tasty" and healthy, there was also a lot of things for which one wanted to put someone on a count. By the way, now - the same picture. From which, again, it does not follow at all that I do not like the RF. Regardless of the declarations, everything depends on the people who perform them. And to kick the country for a specific gov ... ka, sorry, may the moderators forgive me))), is not entirely correct.
      Another thing is that the USSR is at least as bad as its "social orientation", but it tried to implement it, like many other things ...
  6. +1
    9 September 2019 15: 51
    On the one hand, they put elevators, take care of the people. On the other hand, they say that people were not forced to give birth and it is necessary to eat macaroni. The true attitude towards the people, as usual, is somewhere in between.
  7. BAI
    +3
    9 September 2019 15: 53
    Such lifts for the disabled have appeared in many places, including in hospitals. I didn’t use it myself, but I suspect that it’s difficult to use them right away, without practice. So the injury is not far away. Therefore, use only with service personnel. When these lifts become the norm, then there will be use without personnel.
    The West, by the way, did not immediately become a comfortable environment for the disabled. Everything rests on financing.
    1. +3
      9 September 2019 16: 04
      There are no particular difficulties. But skills are naturally needed. And if stuck, a person may panic and try to leave the platform. And this is fraught! People and so sometimes fall into the elevator shafts according to "their own or not so desires"!
  8. +6
    9 September 2019 15: 54
    Quote: hohol95
    It looks like today this elevator for the disabled on the stairs facing the platform of the Penza-1 station

    These lifts for moving disabled people are far from elevators!
    Believe my humble knowledge.
    But there are few who wish to balance such lifts! At stations, at least security and police are. And such lifts made at elevated crossings are quickly incapacitated by banal vandalism!
    There was news about a squabble of tenants in whose house a similar mechanism was installed - the meeting of tenants refused to pay for its maintenance, repair and annual inspection!

    Quite right. The lift shown in the photo in Penza is located in the "hole" itself where, in addition to normal, adequate people, there is a large number of, as they would say in Paris - lumpen. And at the Royal Castle in Warsaw, video cameras and police are at every step (after all, the historical center). I wonder if there were lifts for disabled people in Warsaw in 1917? Or did they appear in 1939?
  9. +7
    9 September 2019 15: 55
    Another bullshit in defense of the existing system.
    1. 0
      9 September 2019 17: 01
      but what did he write wrong in essence? or the main thing is to run over?
      1. +3
        9 September 2019 18: 54
        Quote: carstorm 11
        but what did he write wrong in essence? or the main thing is to run over?

        Did you carefully read the article, or did you run your eyes?
  10. 0
    9 September 2019 15: 57
    Quote: hohol95
    But people themselves must relate to mechanisms without vandalism! Then everything will work!

    Of course! There are two sides to business and action.
    1. +2
      9 September 2019 16: 40
      First, a person with disabilities needs to leave his home.
      It’s good if there is an elevator or just 2, as in high-rises. And if it's an old five-story building?
      Then you need to exit the staircase ...
      With new homes, they either make a ramp or put up a similar vertical platform. Affected by natural rainfall and human vandalism!
      And with old houses? Who wants to - makes the descent, who does not want - does not.
      And the maintenance staff should not be forgotten - it needs to be LEARNED and periodically it must confirm its qualifications!
      And this is money ...
      1. 0
        9 September 2019 17: 04
        I don’t understand what you imagine under the slopes that can be done in the old five-story buildings ... metal guides on the stairs to impose and make the construction of the old houses heavier? change all stairs to new? and I both doubt that someone will allow you to do stupidly out of the safety of the building itself.
        1. +2
          9 September 2019 17: 09
          I can’t imagine what you imagine under the slopes that can be done in the old five-story buildings ...

          Dear carstorm 11 (Dmitry) - and I can’t imagine.
          When stopping the elevator in a high-rise building, nothing is done either. Stairs...
        2. 0
          9 September 2019 18: 18
          In many old houses, for a long time, rather light gutters are installed on narrow stairs that are hinged to the wall. Mostly moms carry strollers on them. Disabled people themselves cannot go down and up, of course, it’s too steep to go up or down. But with the help of an escort, it’s quite.
    2. +1
      9 September 2019 19: 43
      Police must work effectively against vandalism. Against rain - the mechanism of the elevator. If neither of these works effectively, then the actions of officials fall under the article of the Criminal Code - negligence. The head of the Penza police - for what he did not prevent, and those who purchased - that these devices are not designed to work in the existing conditions, that is, caused serious damage or a significant violation of the rights and legitimate interests of citizens or organizations or the interests of society or the state protected by law
  11. -3
    9 September 2019 15: 58
    Quote: glory1974
    On the other hand, they say that people were not forced to give birth and it is necessary to eat macaroni. The true attitude towards the people, as usual, is somewhere in between.

    This is bad! Especially about macaroni ...
    1. +2
      10 September 2019 10: 28
      In this place, you can generally see how food has changed in the Russian state in different periods. And in terms of the purchasing power of the population, and the price of food, and the change in "scientifically grounded food standards")))) Fascinating reading, but it's probably not worth publishing here ...
  12. +12
    9 September 2019 15: 58
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, with all due respect, show the place from where you can see the "light in the tunnel". We have one of two things here: either the light was turned off, or the tunnel is generally mute.
    1. +2
      9 September 2019 19: 33
      Quote: Sea Cat
      Vyacheslav Olegovich, with all due respect, show the place from where you can see the "light in the tunnel". We have one of two things here: either the light was turned off, or the tunnel is generally mute.


      Well, why is it incomprehensible. Here is an example of where the author has "light at the end of the tunnel"
      That is, social wealth is growing and life around is changing! fool
      The elevators are already standing. It remains to remove the “wrapper” from them and make sure that people use them. Could it "there", we will gradually take over and we! fool
      According to the author, capitalism has no alternative, and so is our power. Accordingly, the author suggests reconciling and hoping that someday the newly-born boyars will throw us crumbs from their table.
  13. +1
    9 September 2019 16: 05
    Lithuania Vilnius shopping center panorama 2019 09 09


    such an end
    1. +4
      9 September 2019 16: 38
      As if from these Chukhons as a result, something was left of themselves. They lost their minds how many and what they built there during the Soviet era and how much land they cut, because everything can be returned to the early twentieth century.
  14. -3
    9 September 2019 16: 08
    Quote: Sea Cat
    from where the "light in the tunnel" is seen.

    The platforms are already standing (!), It is necessary that they work and no one breaks - that’s all!
    1. 0
      10 September 2019 22: 02
      Quote: kalibr
      The platforms are already standing (!), It is necessary that they work and no one breaks - that’s all!

      Our mentality! More vandals! Judging by the points. wink I honestly put a plus. Not a vandal. wink
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  15. -2
    9 September 2019 16: 09
    Quote: Rods
    The lift shown in the photo in Penza is located in the "hole" itself where, in addition to normal, adequate people, there is a large number of, as they would say in Paris - lumpen.

    In the very center of the city!
  16. -2
    9 September 2019 16: 11
    Quote: Rods
    Interestingly, in the 1917 year in Warsaw there were lifts for the disabled? Or appeared in 1939?

    We are talking about right now, aren't we? Enough time has passed. In Furkina Faso and this is not.
  17. xax
    +9
    9 September 2019 16: 19
    About the reasons for the collapse of the USSR on the "VO" already who just did not write. For example, an engineer - and why not? From his bell tower he sees one. The artist would see something else. The poet is the third. The sociologist is the fourth.

    The thesis is common to all: communism is impossible because ... because people love their children.
    If the father "from the plow" came to the management of the ministry, city, factory, then his son, whatever one may say, will come there, but his path will be much shorter and easier, he will not have to start "from the plow". And you don’t need to tell me about the cases when the communist father kept the child in a black body, and the child, they say, had to achieve everything on his own - these are isolated cases, the frequency of which does not exceed the statistical error, or the frequency of similar cases in the world of capitalism. But even in this case, even if the father has such a non-trivial attitude to his own child, then all the other people surrounding this child are trying, whatever one may say, to help the child of a friend / comrade-in-arms / boss - and the path of this child is not equal to the usual path mortal.
    What do we have? And after a couple of generations, we have a whole special class of rulers and rulers, which, unfortunately, doesn’t seem to exist under communism.
    What to do? It is clear that - to change the system, but this estate is not beautiful, in the end, to destroy.
    Our people are not stupid, I understood everything, I made jokes on this subject (for example, about the son of the colonel, who will never be able to become a general, because the generals have their own children), communism did not particularly regret, especially the state itself.
    What is the outcome? As a result, we have the same predatory capitalism that bends people through the knee for the sake of extra profit for those who became the beneficiaries of a large-scale (and in my opinion, extremely stupid) experiment that lasted almost 70 years and cost the country vast territories and millions of victims.
    All good and desire to think, and the ability to think - there.
    1. -1
      9 September 2019 17: 00
      Correct a little (stylistics) and can be inserted into the textbook. Let me
      1. xax
        -1
        9 September 2019 17: 19
        Correct the health)
        1. 0
          9 September 2019 17: 46
          Thank! And then think how best to say ... and here it’s so well said!
      2. xax
        +2
        9 September 2019 17: 27
        As a "spherical example in a vacuum," the example of Party organizer Malinin from the magnificent work of K.M. Simonov "The Living and the Dead". Malinin - the ideal of a communist, did not spare himself, he laid down his life for others. But as soon as he was evacuated with his son, he knocked out much better living conditions than the others, so that the son could prepare for the entrance exams. And let the rest prepare in proportion to the capabilities of their fathers. If the ideal communist Simonova sins like this and thinks that this is normal, then he is real and even more so.
        1. -2
          9 September 2019 19: 39
          Quote: xax
          As a "spherical example in a vacuum," the example of Party organizer Malinin from the magnificent work of K.M. Simonov "The Living and the Dead". Malinin - the ideal of a communist, did not spare himself, he laid down his life for others. But as soon as he was evacuated with his son, he knocked out much better living conditions than the others, so that the son could prepare for the entrance exams. And let the rest prepare in proportion to the capabilities of their fathers. If the ideal communist Simonova sins like this and thinks that this is normal, then he is real and even more so.


          But as soon as he was evacuated with his son, he beat out much better housing conditions than the rest, so that his son could prepare for entrance exams.
          Give a quote?
          I read Simonov but I don’t remember something like that.
          1. xax
            +4
            9 September 2019 23: 23
            Book II. Soldiers are not born, chapter 24 (paragraph, excuse me, did not calculate for your lordship):
            Malinin sat and thought about himself, about his wife and about his son, who are probably already at home now and are sitting together and drinking tea in their cold large room, which he was given when he agreed to go to the factory after the hospital. Then he even hesitated whether to take such a room for three. He knew the situation with housing around. But then he still took it, felt sorry for his disabled son: let him at least have his own place to sleep and study ...

            ... The secretary of the Central Committee for Industry helped to get the room ...
            1. -3
              10 September 2019 08: 21
              Quote: xax
              Book II. Soldiers are not born, chapter 24 (paragraph, excuse me, did not calculate for your lordship):
              Malinin sat and thought about himself, about his wife and about his son, who are probably already at home now and are sitting together and drinking tea in their cold large room, which he was given when he agreed to go to the factory after the hospital. Then he even hesitated whether to take such a room for three. He knew the situation with housing around. But then he still took it, felt sorry for his disabled son: let him at least have his own place to sleep and study ...

              ... The secretary of the Central Committee for Industry helped to get the room ...


              paragraph, excuse me, did not begin to calculate for your lordship
              I have nothing to do with lordships to my greatest pleasure. Past.

              But then he still took it, felt sorry for his disabled son: let him at least have his own place to sleep and study ..
              Well, where about "knocked out"? Yes, I got a room, but I got it because I was supposed to have a room for him. So again by.
              1. +3
                10 September 2019 11: 00
                Quote: free
                was supposed

                Well, first of all, I didn't see the word "relied on" there. On the contrary, I saw the pull through associates:
                Quote: free
                CC Secretary for Industry Helped the Room


                But the speech, imagine, is not even about that! The party nomenclature (and, as a consequence, their children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren) were generally "supposed" to do a lot, which ordinary mortals were not supposed to. And so the Soviet "nobility" was born.
                1. -4
                  10 September 2019 11: 35
                  You probably do not read very carefully?
                  which he was given when he agreed to go to the factory after the hospital.
                  Where is the blat?

                  But the speech, imagine, is not even about that! The party nomenclature (and as a result - their children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren) generally had a lot of things "supposed"
                  And what is this side here?
                  1. +2
                    10 September 2019 14: 36
                    Quote: free
                    Where is the blat?

                    here:
                    CC Secretary for Industry Helped the Room

                    What's on the forehead, what's on the forehead?
                    1. -4
                      10 September 2019 15: 38
                      Quote: V.I.F.
                      Quote: free
                      Where is the blat?

                      here:
                      CC Secretary for Industry Helped the Room

                      What's on the forehead, what's on the forehead?


                      And it never crossed your mind that the room was supposed to be his job as a factory worker, right?
                      And the secretary of the Central Committee only helped to get what was supposed to. Don’t apologize to anyone who doesn’t. lol
                      1. +2
                        10 September 2019 20: 03
                        Quote: free
                        the room was supposed to him as a factory worker

                        Other factory workers in several small families lived in one small room. And his family lived in their own large room.
                        Quote: free
                        And the secretary of the Central Committee only helped to get what was supposed to.

                        And why didn’t he help the rest of the plant?
                      2. 0
                        11 September 2019 11: 58
                        Quote: V.I.F.
                        Quote: free
                        the room was supposed to him as a factory worker

                        Other factory workers in several small families lived in one small room. And his family lived in their own large room.
                        Quote: free
                        And the secretary of the Central Committee only helped to get what was supposed to.

                        And why didn’t he help the rest of the plant?


                        And why didn’t he help the rest of the plant?
                        Maybe it helped, in any case you don’t know anything about it. But you cannot answer the direct question.
                2. -1
                  11 September 2019 08: 52
                  The song was: What am I drinking?
                  And I drink cognac, I!
                  Simple cognac Napoleon,
                  I made them the whole balcony
                  And who is the father?
                  My father Lenya
                  our secretary general
                  but don’t talk about it!
              2. xax
                +1
                10 September 2019 11: 09
                Quote: free
                because it was supposed

                So what am I talking about? The children of the party elite (and the elite) were supposed to live better than the children of mere mortals, and when they grew up they were supposed to have a beaten path to high offices. Under such conditions, it is not necessary to talk about communism (which has its basis social equality).
                1. -4
                  10 September 2019 11: 36
                  Quote: xax
                  Quote: free
                  because it was supposed

                  So what am I talking about? The children of the party elite (and the elite) were supposed to live better than the children of mere mortals, and when they grew up they were supposed to have a beaten path to high offices. Under such conditions, it is not necessary to talk about communism (which has its basis social equality).


                  The object of your criticism?
                  1. xax
                    +2
                    10 September 2019 14: 35
                    Quote: free
                    The object of your criticism?

                    The proven thesis is given above. Your inattention is so significant that it is already insulting.
                    1. -7
                      10 September 2019 15: 31
                      Quote: xax
                      Quote: free
                      The object of your criticism?

                      The proven thesis is given above. Your inattention is so significant that it is already insulting.


                      Hard to think?
                      Well, especially for you. Are you criticizing the idea of ​​communism or its implementation?
                      1. +4
                        10 September 2019 20: 06
                        Everything that interests you, you can actually read above, I'm not joking laughing
                      2. -3
                        11 September 2019 11: 54
                        Quote: V.I.F.
                        Everything that interests you, you can actually read above, I'm not joking laughing


                        It’s familiar. A question in the forehead, and you snoozed.
        2. 0
          10 September 2019 10: 33
          Well, you can also recall the famous Salzman, tank building in the Urals raised, and not only it ....
    2. +3
      9 September 2019 19: 28
      “There, in Belgorod, they just told me how one of the best lecturers in the neighboring Kursk region got burned. It turns out that in the remote village he came across, perhaps, the only intellectual who asked the question: “Why in the West, in industrialized countries, there is still no revolution - after all, the classics foresaw that it would happen exactly where the most numerous and powerful proletariat and instead revolutions win in backward countries like Russia? ”

      Considering the general level of the audience, the lecturer decided to explain this situation to people in the most primitive and understandable way: “Now imagine two dogs: one is hungry, unchain it, it will rush like mad for a piece of meat, and the other will be full, you will show her food and she only wags the tail. "

      To his misfortune, in the village there was not only one intellectual, but also at least one informer. The metaphor was reported where it should be, and this comrade’s lecture career ended. ”

      Georgy Ilyich Mirsky “Life in three eras”
      1. xax
        +7
        10 September 2019 01: 32
        Quote: Plantagenet
        Why is there still no revolution in the West, in industrialized countries - after all, the classics foresaw that it would happen exactly where the most numerous and powerful proletariat

        By the way, the hard workers of the Western countries were supposed to cry with the collapse of the USSR. The very necessity of waging the ideological struggle of capitalism with communism limited the appetites of their elite. Money is money, but it was necessary to show that communism is bad for the hard worker, and capitalism is good. Now there is no such need).
        I heard a curious remark from someone. Even if you look at American films, the classic American family from the Cold War is the working head (without straining), the wife is a housewife and 3-4 children, all live in a private house, several cars in the family, etc. Those. 1 person provided a comfortable life for a large family. Now - both spouses are injected day and night, the children are in the plans (expensive), by themselves under 40, they live in an apartment. Those. even taking into account the improvement of production methods (and, as a consequence, the increase in labor productivity), a working citizen in the USA began to get much less result of his labor than during the Cold War.
        And none of them even think that they owed their former well-being to the USSR in many respects)). "Such a squiggle turns out" (c)
        1. +2
          10 September 2019 09: 58
          Quote: xax
          hard workers of Western countries were supposed to cry with the collapse of the USSR

          Moreover, the entire NATO bloc, and their entire military-industrial complex should have been sobbing to the voice - there is no enemy, they will cut off funding by no means indulge in it, and how to live, what to do?
        2. 0
          10 September 2019 10: 36
          What is characteristic, in the empire, closer to the haha ​​century, the same thing happened, but that, of course, level.
          working (without straining) the head of the family, the wife is a housewife and 3 to 4 children, all live in a private house, several cars in the family, etc. Those. 1 person provided a comfortable life for a large family.
  18. +3
    9 September 2019 16: 28
    Power say cares, well, well. For the authorities, the most important thing is to partner and to partner with partners. So it is customary for partners to do everything for the disabled. True, there are still homeless people.
    1. -1
      9 September 2019 17: 08
      and when the union did not partner, and then well, their disabled? So?
      1. +4
        9 September 2019 20: 09
        Quote: carstorm 11
        and when the union did not partner, and then well, their disabled? So?

        Not this way. Under the USSR, people with disabilities were provided with work, but now they have been beaten.
        1. -1
          9 September 2019 20: 29
          It's not about work, right? And about how to get to it ... And that's interesting. Then I did not have students with disabilities, but nowadays have appeared.
          1. +4
            9 September 2019 21: 18
            Quote: kalibr
            It's not about work, right? And about how to get to it ... And that's interesting.

            I can tell you by the example of an enterprise for the blind in our city. Disabled homes - 50-200 meters from the entrance. From them, a railing was held to the store, enterprise, trash. Safely bent at the beginning of this year.
        2. BAI
          +1
          10 September 2019 08: 44
          provided work, and now they have beaten them.

          And now - the company is either hiring (there is a mandatory standard when the number of organizations is above 100 people), or it pays the local administration to create jobs for people with disabilities with the money of this organization. And if the organization has disabled people, it has some tax benefits on them.
          1. 0
            10 September 2019 08: 55
            Quote: BAI
            And now - the company is either hiring (there is a mandatory standard when the number of organizations is above 100 people), or it pays the local administration to create jobs for people with disabilities with the money of this organization.

            Give an example.
  19. +5
    9 September 2019 16: 56
    Sorry, Vyacheslav! Lived - You lived for many years ... but enlightenment never gained ...
    Your article is not just pulling an owl on the globe, but, as they say, compares the incomparable - like warm and soft ...
    Re-read at least something from Saltykov-Shchedrin. Maybe it will help ...
  20. -2
    9 September 2019 17: 03
    Quote: BAI
    When these lifts become the norm, then there will be use without personnel.
    The West, by the way, did not immediately become a comfortable environment for the disabled.

    That's it. But repeating someone else's good is easier than starting with 0.
  21. -1
    9 September 2019 17: 04
    Quote: Mavrikiy
    scum

    Penza, with your permission.
  22. -3
    9 September 2019 17: 48
    Quote: carstorm 11
    metal guides on stairs to impose and weight the construction of old houses? change all stairs to new? and I both doubt that someone will allow you to do stupidly out of the safety of the building itself.

    Somehow I will write how this problem was solved in Genoa.
  23. +7
    9 September 2019 18: 05
    Only for the improvement of the tunnel then he was not responsible for the regional committee, or even for the city or district party committee. A mountains or district executive committee. And the columns of the regional committee did not affect the arrangement of the tunnel. For different departments and articles money.
  24. +4
    9 September 2019 18: 43
    the humanism of any society is directly related to the attitude towards the elderly, sick, disabled and children

    A reasonable balance is needed in everything - this is the task of the authorities! And not to make ostentatious humanism a fetish, bringing the situation to the point of absurdity, when it becomes profitable to be "an old sick illiterate black woman."
    And it is extremely difficult for a family of two doctor teachers to afford the luxury of having two or more children.
  25. -5
    9 September 2019 19: 19
    Quote: sergo1914
    Free quality medicine, free quality education, free pioneer camps, guaranteed pension, but there were no elevators for the disabled.

    That's right, but there were no people with disabilities ... Well, about the quality ... Drilling teeth with pulpitis without anesthesia is top quality. Education ... here I am generally silent, how many authors of ours were simply impossible to read. Chayanov of the same ... But they wrote about the drowned knights! In the camps, I worked ... it was a squalor. But for undemanding comrades from the plow ... very cool.
    1. -2
      10 September 2019 17: 56
      5 minuses !!! I didn’t know that in VO there are as many as five masochists!
      1. -1
        10 September 2019 18: 27
        Bigger, substantially bigger, just some shy .....
  26. 0
    9 September 2019 20: 23
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, thanks for another "social" article!
    As always: agrees with many, and disagrees with many.
    By the way, have you noticed that there are fewer "critics", and there are more solidarities?
  27. -3
    9 September 2019 20: 25
    Quote: Military77
    Police must work effectively against vandalism. Against rain - the mechanism of the elevator. If neither of these works effectively, then the actions of officials fall under the article of the Criminal Code - negligence.

    Exactly! They pay for work ... there is no result - for what money?
  28. -1
    9 September 2019 20: 27
    Anton! This is a statistical error no more. Let's see what will happen after the release of "Shushenskoe-2".
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    By the way, have you noticed that there are fewer "critics", and there are more solidarities?
  29. -6
    9 September 2019 21: 13
    Quote: free
    According to the author, capitalism has no alternative, and so is our power. Accordingly, the author suggests reconciling and hoping that someday the newly-born boyars will throw us crumbs from their table.

    And before it was different? This is an article you inattentively read ... Scoops could not throw, and the boyars threw. With a black sheep, even a tuft of wool.
    1. +4
      10 September 2019 08: 41
      Quote: kalibr
      Scoops could not throw, and boyars threw.

      Well, how not to spit on your past! You would not be you.
      “But several years ago Penza was engulfed in a boom in the construction of ramps for disabled people. How many years have passed since 1917? Exactly 100, no less. And now it finally happened. The authorities remembered the most unprotected (purely physically) and the most the disadvantaged category of our citizens, many of whom have not left their apartments for years and decades. There is no elevator, no ramps, no strong relatives either. "
      Disabled group 1 is something like 1.5 million. Not all, of course, are wheelchairs.
      Such a law appeared, if Che, that’s why they are being expelled. It would be nice to make the host to use it on their own skin.
      There is also a state program. It's called "Accessible Environment". At the very least, she seems to work in Moscow, in other cities you can say like Penza. The authorities throw off this problem on the neighbors and utilities. A lot of money has been meted out under this program, something about 54 billion for this year. Is money evaporating?
  30. -3
    10 September 2019 11: 23
    Quote: region58
    then there’s no enemy, they’ll cut off financing at the most

    And so it was!
  31. -2
    10 September 2019 11: 32
    Dmitry! My great-grandfather was a master of the Penza railway workshops, and did not drink or smoke. My wife, of course, did not work. Had 10 children (!), Five daughters and five sons. 4 son and 1 daughter survived, including my grandfather the youngest. He gave everyone a gymnasium education, except for his grandfather, he was lazy, but strong and went to the blacksmith's forge in the 16 years - with his whole relatives pointing a finger at him. His brother Vladimir, whom I remember, graduated from a teacher’s institute and taught mathematics at the gymnasium, had a piano at home and played it. Sister Olga, whom I remember, was a French teacher and married a colonel (!!!) of the tsarist army. MASTER'S DAUGHTER! I don’t know very well about the rest. But at least these ... By the way, then my grandfather acquired a hernia and went to study externally - in his brain enlightened.
    In 1882, my great-grandfather built a house, where I was born, about six windows onto the street, three sheds in the yard ... But I didn’t drink with anyone - therefore they didn’t like him ... That's what a working man could afford at that time who ... did not drink and worked well!
    1. 0
      10 September 2019 12: 23
      I, sobssss, a little in the know))) It is clear that it happened differently, but the general level of a qualified specialist was ..... not bad. And it is all the more interesting to watch changes in the country with this issue. On the other hand, I know quite a lot of anything .... interesting about the same empire. Purely from a technical point of view.
      And about the issue of nutrition, there was material dedicated to this very thing, especially there the norms inspired after the democratization of the whole country .....
  32. +3
    10 September 2019 11: 43
    Well, where does the "campaign" in general and the disabled in particular? We managed to get a tranche from the federal center for these elevators. Nice "reason", looks great in documents. Also, some local or federal officials have access to the European manufacturer of these elevators. Which has produced a lot of rain-flooded waste.
    Well, everything is up to a penny! The amount has been disbursed, bribes were handed out, the manufacturer shoved illiquid assets at an expensive price. What concern is there, historical parallels and great philosophical ideas? They steal ...
  33. -2
    10 September 2019 17: 58
    Quote: free
    What are you criticizing, the idea of ​​communism or its implementation?

    Andrei! Any BAD idea is BAD and executed!
    1. +2
      11 September 2019 14: 47
      Quote: kalibr
      Any BAD idea is BAD and executed!

      which idea is bad?
      I strongly suspect that if Gorby and his friends did not break up the country, elevators would become the norm 10 years earlier. Now they are glad that new housing is being commissioned. Do you know that it was Gorbachev who essentially buried the new housing construction program with new standards? She just gained momentum from 78 years. I was lucky to move into such an apartment - very convenient! Now such apartments in the city are considered to be elite and are sold in St. Petersburg no less than 120k per meter. And it ALREADY was 40 years ago throughout the country, for free!
  34. -1
    10 September 2019 18: 03
    Quote: free
    And the secretary of the Central Committee only helped to get what was supposed to. Don’t apologize to anyone who doesn’t.

    In the archives of the OK KPSS Penz. oblast met a curious document that was supposed to be the secretary of the OK when going on vacation ... A lot of things that ordinary hard workers and even OK lecturers never dreamed of. But I was more surprised by something else - the cleaning lady OK "Aunt Dasha" was also given a vacation ... 100 rubles. The question arises: why were they not given 100 rubles for vacation. the cleaning lady from the store opposite "Aunt Nina". That the work of the cleaning lady in OK was harder and better than the work in the store. Or demanded more responsibility? Greater dedication with a rag in hand ??? Or were the secretaries so dirty?
    1. +3
      10 September 2019 21: 17
      Quote: kalibr
      In the archive of the OK CPSU Penz. the region met a curious document, which was supposed to be OK secretary when he went on vacation ...

      Quote: kalibr
      The question arises: why were they not given 100 rubles for vacation. the cleaning lady from the store opposite "Aunt Nina".

      The question arises. wink
      Of the party money, did Aunt Nina pay a salary? As a former Party member and historian, what percentage of the salary were the contributions of the Communists to the party? Do not forget? About the contributions of Komsomol students in the amount of 2 kopeks, do not mention. Have you saved your membership card? Please make a scan of one page with contributions from it.
      1. +2
        10 September 2019 21: 35
        Quote: There was a mammoth
        The question arises.

        "The couturier valued the bag stolen from the Gazprom cleaning lady at 2,6 million rubles."
        https://iz.ru/news/601448
        Something happened with the theft from a cleaning lady in the Kremlin. wink
      2. 0
        11 September 2019 08: 37
        Look, this is not the most "salary" year, but with a photo ...
    2. +1
      10 September 2019 22: 07
      By the way, another funny story related to lecturers.

      “Looking ahead, I’ll tell you another story that happened with the lecturer of the“ Knowledge ”society in the 1968 year, immediately after the entry of our troops into Czechoslovakia. He was asked what is the area of ​​Czechoslovakia; unfortunately for him, he knew how many square kilometers the territory of this country has and, naming a figure, added: "As you can see, the territory is relatively small, it is not difficult to occupy such a country." This was his last lecture. ”

      Georgy Ilyich Mirsky “Life in three eras”
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    11 September 2019 08: 40
    Quote: There was a mammoth
    As a former Party member and historian, what percentage of the salary were the contributions of the Communists to the party? Do not forget?

    Honestly, I don’t remember. But I remember well that I was personally required to pay contributions not from salaries, but from all money earned. That is, they demanded to add 40 r.za TV and all fees in the Penza newspapers to the salary. Well, in the magazines, I already added myself, so that no scum would accuse me of anything.
  36. -2
    11 September 2019 08: 48
    [quote = xax] That is. even taking into account the improvement of production methods (and, as a consequence, the increase in labor productivity), a working citizen in the USA began to get much less result of his labor than during the Cold War.
    And none of them even think that they owed their former well-being to the USSR in many respects)). "Such a squiggle turns out" (c)

    I travel to western hotels since 2012. I can say that the buffet menu also got worse. The poorer and more "rational".
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    11 September 2019 14: 40
    Quote: naidas
    It works in our staircase. I’ll assume that there is one service organization throughout the house.

    I already see a lot where the elevators are, but they don’t work everywhere - you need to look for someone to work.
    On Parnassus there are already 8 such pieces.
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    11 September 2019 15: 21
    Quote: yehat
    if Gorby and his friends didn’t ruin the country,

    And why did the US Communist Party how much money we did not pour into it and did not ruin this country? Where are the Socialist States of America? But the capitalist RF is there!
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      20 September 2019 21: 59
      From your injections Our money was no use anywhere.
  39. 0
    1 October 2019 23: 00
    The anti-Soviet wrote.
    I have no doubt that in the 90s he was a Yeltsinist.
    There are no former Yeltsinists.

"Right Sector" (banned in Russia), "Ukrainian Insurgent Army" (UPA) (banned in Russia), ISIS (banned in Russia), "Jabhat Fatah al-Sham" formerly "Jabhat al-Nusra" (banned in Russia) , Taliban (banned in Russia), Al-Qaeda (banned in Russia), Anti-Corruption Foundation (banned in Russia), Navalny Headquarters (banned in Russia), Facebook (banned in Russia), Instagram (banned in Russia), Meta (banned in Russia), Misanthropic Division (banned in Russia), Azov (banned in Russia), Muslim Brotherhood (banned in Russia), Aum Shinrikyo (banned in Russia), AUE (banned in Russia), UNA-UNSO (banned in Russia), Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people (banned in Russia), Legion “Freedom of Russia” (armed formation, recognized as terrorist in the Russian Federation and banned), Kirill Budanov (included to the Rosfinmonitoring list of terrorists and extremists)

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