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Your pension. Get cannot accumulate

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High Risk Age


Recently, the Ministry of Economy made a number of proposals to improve the system of pension savings. By themselves, they are not binding, and this can be seen more as an advantage than a disadvantage. Unfortunately, the mechanisms themselves, which are not yet discussed in detail, unfortunately do not contain incentives for the employer to increase the “white” salaries. There is no hint of any kind of additional interest in them in hiring older employees.


Your pension. Get cannot accumulate


The whole calculation is made for years to come, in reality, pension savings make sense only for those who have yet to work at least 15-20 years before retirement. Then the amount of the funded part becomes at least comparable to the basic social pension. And only such pensioners will receive not something like a “living wage”, but really worthy amounts.

However, all these 15-20 years before retirement it would be nice to work with a high “white” salary, and, what’s most dangerous, without significant breaks in seniority. The funded part is planned to be collected exactly under the same conditions on which banks offer to make long-term highly profitable deposits.

Highly profitable, of course, in the understanding of the bankers themselves: in practice, almost no bank should even rely on 7-8, not just 10 and more percent per annum. In the scenario with pensions, which they are now finishing writing in our economic departments, everything is made up approximately or exactly the same.

But worst of all, with any approach, the cost of accumulation places an additional burden on either the employee himself or the employer. And the saddest fate for today has come just to those who fall under the increase in the retirement age, as they say, in full, but there is clearly not much time left for real accumulation.

In addition, the vast majority of employees (not from among top managers, of course) over the age of 45-50 years have, say, not the highest salary levels in Russia. It is clear that this refers to legal payment, since envelope payments, which often even exceed the “white” salary, will have nothing to do with new pension savings.

The situation is, frankly, scary. It is the workers of this “dangerous” age who, as a rule, have high qualifications, which almost always do not correspond to the level of wages. It is these people who keep afloat a number of industries that balance on the brink of survival. The public sector also relies heavily on such, not yet old cadres.

Unemployed by law and in fact


A special attitude to middle-aged and older workers has developed in Russia for a long time, since the era of effective managers has come. Effective up to nervous breakdowns and depressive syndromes due to a failed career. By the way, just the first generation of those very “effective” ones who once cranked up a voucher company and secured auctions is now rapidly approaching retirement.

Some of them made brilliant careers, few settled in not the lowest positions somewhere in Skolkovo or Rusnano, while the majority are forced to look for themselves. The other day, the situation was very colorful presented by Rostrud, who told his homeland about the 60-percent unemployment among citizens of pre-retirement age. We have more than 10 millions of them, that is, six are officially officially non-working.



Someone either had to, or was lucky enough to leave work ahead of schedule, and more than a million people became disabled before retirement. We have many military retirees, security officials and those who are prescribed early retirement in accordance with the profession. But most of them have no chance of finding a formal job - entrepreneurs, as well as the heads of state institutions, are in no hurry to legally accept employees of the so-called “silver” age.

All kinds of side jobs and informal relations do not change much in essence. Officially work, that is, they report on the basis of individual SNILS, only 1,8 million men of 1959 – 1963 birthdays and 2,2 million women of 1964 – 1968 birthdays. In total, the very same 4 million officially working are obtained. Incidentally, such data are also confirmed in the FIU, where it was recalled that employees of the power block, including military, judges, etc., drop out of the fund’s statistics.

Do not look for casual earnings


Presenting data on elderly unemployed in the Ministry of Labor, they drew attention to the fact that in the whole country we have only 9,7 million people who do not want or are not able to work. At the 60-percent unemployment rate among the older generation, the young can be said to be almost unanimously sticking. Their unemployment does not exceed 5 percent, more precisely, 4,7 percent, that is, 3,6 million people out of 76,3 million officially registered.

However, is it worth recalling that young people, primarily graduates of universities and colleges, who replaced technical schools and vocational schools, also have enormous difficulties in finding employment. Among other things, because the demands of young people are usually slightly higher than those of older people. Nevertheless, employers at least do not refuse youth so massively.

The unemployment rate among Russians of a younger age can be considered generally uniquely low for a country with a somewhat peculiar economy, where industry is partly destroyed, and a new one is still just being created. The services sector does not help much, moreover, migrant workers are mostly employed in it, but small business as a whole is worthy of sympathy rather than enthusiasm or at least some objective statistics for many years.

But among people of pre-retirement age, the unemployment rate was even for many experts not just high, but unexpectedly high. At the same time, however, in the data of the Ministry of Labor on the number of unoccupied people there may be serious errors, somewhat mitigating the heavy impression. The fact is that people who are officially ranked among the unemployed should actually actively seek work, which the elderly public usually avoids.

They are saved due to the help of children, part-time jobs, odd jobs. Up to a quarter of those who are about to be lucky enough to be retired may be in the gray zone of the economy. But it is very characteristic that among such citizens the percentage of those who manage to legally register at the labor exchange and receive unemployment benefits even before retirement is uniquely minimal.

But the unemployment benefit for those who are five years left before the official end of their careers, in the maximum case, may be 41% more than usual and amount to 11,3 thousand rubles. That's just the author was not able to find even in the corridors of the labor exchange at least one such unemployed.
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  1. Far B
    Far B 6 September 2019 05: 07
    +28
    Recently, the Ministry of Economy made a number of proposals to improve the system of pension savings.
    Again the galleries ?! They should be prohibited by law from making any proposals regarding the pension system. And then some King Midas, on the contrary, turns out - where you can’t touch the pensioner, everything turns into a guano.
    1. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 6 September 2019 05: 52
      +28
      where you can’t touch the pensioner, everything turns into a guano. - Far B (Michael)

      So they also voiced the goal - the complete elimination of the pension system for workers, the people themselves must take care of their retirement future, “count on yourself and your children,” as they say.
      They can take taxes, including, as it were, for pension insurance, but they can not give back what people have accumulated over the years of work, "count on yourself." One involuntarily recalls the words of Zhores Alferov - the Nobel laureate in physics - if in a capitalist state you have to pay for everything, including medicine, education, etc., "why do we need such a state?"
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 6 September 2019 07: 29
        -9
        Quote: vladimirZ
        "why do we need such a state?"

        Not true
        Not "why do we need such a state," but why do we need such rulers, such a social system, but Russia, Russia, the USSR and again Russia was, is and will be, regardless of the wishes of princes, tsars, general secretaries and presidents.
        1. vladimirZ
          vladimirZ 6 September 2019 07: 35
          +18
          Quote: vladimirZ: - "why do we need such a state?"
          - not true. Why do not we need a state, but why do we need such rulers, such a social system, - Boris55 (Boris)

          Capitalist the state is the social system that the people do not need.
          Zh. Alferov, speaking of the uselessness of "such a state", did not mean the state as such in general, but the capitalist state, its social system, oppressing the people for the sake of a handful of powerful wealthy people.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 6 September 2019 07: 37
            -19
            Quote: vladimirZ
            Zh. Alferov speaking about the uselessness of "such a state" and meant

            I doubt that the Nobel laureate is not able to express his thoughts unambiguously. He said what he said.

            Quote: = vladimirZ
            namely the capitalist state

            However, the reward from the capitalist state did not refuse to receive ...
            1. vladimirZ
              vladimirZ 6 September 2019 07: 40
              +11
              Do not imagine a communist, the world famous scientist physicist, J. Alferov as a person who does not understand the necessity and necessity of the state as such. Evaluate the whole text expressed, not taken out of context.
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 6 September 2019 08: 06
                -12
                Quote: vladimirZ
                Do not imagine a communist

                And to which party did the traitors of the working people belong: Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Gorbachev, Yeltsin? Something we are distracted from the topic. I think that further bickering is pointless.
                1. DEDPIHTO
                  DEDPIHTO 6 September 2019 08: 22
                  +12
                  Quote: Boris55
                  Quote: vladimirZ
                  Do not imagine a communist

                  And to which party did the traitors of the working people belong: Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Gorbachev, Yeltsin? Something we are distracted from the topic. I think that further bickering is pointless.

                  That's it-belonged. Belong and really be a communist ..
          2. Alex Nevs
            Alex Nevs 6 September 2019 09: 49
            -1
            So, after all, they rebuilt along this path from socialism. Che was blaming the mirror.
        2. DEDPIHTO
          DEDPIHTO 6 September 2019 08: 12
          +5
          Quote: Boris55
          Quote: vladimirZ
          "why do we need such a state?"

          Not true
          Not "why do we need such a state," but why do we need such rulers, such a social system, but Russia, Russia, the USSR and again Russia was, is and will be, regardless of the wishes of princes, tsars, general secretaries and presidents.

          Vladimir said everything correctly, you don’t understand the difference between the state and the country .. The current rulers with their social system, this is the state called the Russian Federation. But Russia, yes, it was, is and will be.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 6 September 2019 08: 28
            -11
            Quote: DEPHIHTO
            you do not understand the difference between state and country.

            If it doesn't make it difficult, explain. Give the definition of "state" and "country".
            1. DEDPIHTO
              DEDPIHTO 6 September 2019 08: 34
              +3
              Quote: Boris55
              Quote: DEPHIHTO
              you do not understand the difference between state and country.

              If it does not, explain.

              Shaw, repeat? lol Well, in a simplified form, Russia is a country, that is, a territory. RF is a state .. in the past there were other names of states on the territory of Russia .. Evolve? laughing
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 6 September 2019 08: 38
                -14
                Quote: DEPHIHTO
                Shaw, repeat?

                That is, if to add to the name of the country Russia its device - the Federation, then we get the state? laughing I apologize for asking an off-topic question. Answer is not required.
                1. DEDPIHTO
                  DEDPIHTO 6 September 2019 08: 48
                  +6
                  Quote: Boris55
                  Quote: DEPHIHTO
                  Shaw, repeat?

                  That is, if to add to the name of the country Russia its device - the Federation, then we get the state? laughing I apologize for asking an off-topic question. Answer is not required.

                  And I will not answer, because ,, not a horse feed ,, wassat
        3. Gardamir
          Gardamir 6 September 2019 08: 19
          +7
          and Russia, Russia, the USSR and again Russia was, is and will be
          Here I agree with you one hundred percent. Only the authorities want to make Caucasians from Russians. And we are different.
        4. akunin
          akunin 6 September 2019 17: 59
          0
          But what about the national composition of the population? about borders?
        5. Vanek
          Vanek 12 September 2019 03: 48
          0
          Quote: Boris55
          why do we need such rulers, such a social system, and Russia, Russia, the USSR, and again Russia was, is and will be independent of the wishes of princes, kings, general secretaries and presidents.


          Everything is correct Boris.

          A country and a state are far from the same thing.

          These are different things.

          Our country is magnificent. Wonderful. And people are good (not all) and nature and climate and everything is everything.

          The state, as if not to offend anyone, is a garbage dump.

          Boris hi
      2. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 6 September 2019 08: 44
        +7
        Quote: vladimirZ
        So they voiced the goal - complete liquidation of the pension system for workers, the people themselves must take care of their retirement future, "count on yourself and your children," as they say.

        Not far away as yesterday:
        "MOSCOW, September 5 - RIA Novosti. The government has supported the bill on the right to receive payments from private pension funds before reaching retirement age, the press service of "United Russia" said. "
        What is interesting, it is proposed by private pension funds to return to the old age of retirement age!
        "According to the document, the age of non-state retirement is reduced by five years - to 55 for women and 60 for men."
        https://news.mail.ru/politics/38597615/?frommail=1
        That is, a return to the old age of retirement is already called beneficence. Oh how!
        Nothing is said about guarantees of deposits in non-state funds.
        Pension scam, sorry, reform is ongoing. wink
      3. Victor N
        Victor N 6 September 2019 10: 41
        -15
        When my kindred ancestors created the Russian state, they did not count on free medicine, education, pensions .... Nevertheless, they created the state. All sorts of laureates now grow in it, and ordinary citizens (well, only a few) doubt the necessity of the state, believing that there are only friends around.
        But it seems that it is these enemies who are trying to undermine the state from within, with the help of the narrow-minded and naive .......
        1. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth 6 September 2019 10: 52
          +8
          Quote: Victor N
          But it seems that it is these enemies who are trying to undermine the state from within, with the help of the narrow-minded and naive .......

          "In the government of the Russian Federation a working group for preparation new phase of pension reform, which involves raising the retirement age for men and women up to 70 years old reports State Duma deputy from the Communist Party Valery Rashkin."
          https://ura.news/news/1052398075

          Who is the enemy? wink
          1. Victor N
            Victor N 6 September 2019 12: 41
            -8
            Exactly! I have to ask him. With an addiction!
          2. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 7 September 2019 22: 06
            +2
            Thus, we are witnessing the reconstruction of the estate state. Previously, in RI, nobles did not pay taxes, officials received pensions, their children were not subject to recruitment, other benefits ..... petty bourgeois paid all taxes subject to recruitment, there were restrictions on service, different courts judged, the upper classes were not subject to corporal punishment. The hardest thing, of course, to the peasants. The lowest ----- no pension.
            Quote: Was Mammoth
            ...... "In the government of the Russian Federation a working group for preparation new phase of pension reform, which involves raising the retirement age for men and women up to 70 years old reports State Duma deputy from the Communist Party Valery Rashkin."
            https://ura.news/news/1052398075 Враг-то кто? wink
            1. Was mammoth
              Was mammoth 8 September 2019 13: 42
              +2
              Quote: Reptiloid
              Thus, we are witnessing the reconstruction of the estate state ....

              Thus, we are witnessing the creation in the classical version of a capitalist state at the stage of imperialism with Russian characteristics. Alas!
              In the conditions of political apathy of the population, primarily young people, which even pension reform did not shake, the absence of political parties, there will be a further rejection of the state’s social obligations, and an increase in the police repressive apparatus.
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 8 September 2019 17: 55
                0
                Greetings, Mammoth! Of course, with theory you are better than mine ..... But, in my opinion, the current Russian KAPITAKLISM strive to become a feudal or slave system. This is evidenced by the statements of domestic officials, after the adoption of the new pension reform. And also another shocking of those who are rich.
                1. Was mammoth
                  Was mammoth 8 September 2019 20: 00
                  +1
                  Have a nice one you too! No need to be a theorist to understand what is happening.
                  "From rags to riches", as folk wisdom says about such officials and "unexpectedly" rich.
                  1. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 8 September 2019 20: 23
                    +1
                    How much in our history was when not only from the mud, but also back, at first it’s true, the face of the life-giving table. This cannot but be repeated.
                    Quote: Was Mammoth
                    Have a nice one you too! No need to be a theorist to understand what is happening.
                    "From rags to riches", as folk wisdom says about such officials and "unexpectedly" rich.
                    1. Was mammoth
                      Was mammoth 8 September 2019 21: 10
                      +1
                      "If I knew where to fall, I would lay the straws." wink Someone did not take care of the straw.
                      Everything can be.
                      However, I see no reason for optimism. There will also be pension reform 2, there will be a third.
                      1. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 9 September 2019 07: 38
                        0
                        So far, yes, there is no reason for optimism that the capitalists will suddenly come to their senses. But, there is hope for a logical development of the historical process.
      4. Firelake
        Firelake 6 September 2019 21: 59
        +2
        What kind of nonsense? It is necessary to work in white this time. And two: the state owes nothing to anyone. This is already said which year. Do you all believe in bad boyars and a good king ...
        Medicine is already generally paid. Education is the same. The next step is to cancel the pension (in the process) and the mat capital is not effective. Here they are the achievements of 20 years. Go Russia!
        1. Oleg (Kharkov)
          Oleg (Kharkov) 17 September 2019 22: 19
          +1
          Quote: FireLake
          It is necessary to work in white this time.

          do people not work on a "white" from a good life?
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 6 September 2019 07: 40
      +7
      Quote: Dalny V
      Again the galleries ?! They should be prohibited by law from making any proposals regarding the pension system.

      So this is only the beginning of reforms .. The ultimate goal is to prevent pensions from being paid at all .. if reformers do not give a hand, then everyone will be reorganized to death ..
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 6 September 2019 09: 41
        -2
        Quote: Svarog
        The ultimate goal is to avoid paying pensions at all.

        This will not happen. This is such a feeder - everyone pays, but they get individual ones.
        I remember they promised that the savings would be inherited, and how? laughing
        1. Victor N
          Victor N 6 September 2019 10: 42
          0
          The current pension system is solidarity, there are no savings under such a system.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 6 September 2019 10: 44
            0
            Quote: Victor N
            there is no accumulation with such a system.

            Well, of course. The exchange's "second pension", which the Ministry of Economy wants to take away from me, is just from the funded one. Not very much, only 4 thousand, but still no matter what, but money.
    3. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 6 September 2019 10: 03
      +8
      Quote: Dalny V
      where you can’t touch the pensioner, everything turns into a guano.
      Not only in a pension. The same can be observed in matters of forest and water conservation, not to mention medicine and education. Everything that has been touched by the hand and on which the eye of the "reformers" is laid, turns into dust for the population and into hard currency for the initiators.
    4. yehat
      yehat 6 September 2019 10: 59
      +1
      recently in the Duma they submitted to the committees a miscalculation of an increase in penalties up to 70 years.
      1. Victor N
        Victor N 6 September 2019 12: 46
        -4
        What is a "miscalculation" - I do not know, I have not even heard. But I think this is someone's provocation. It is necessary to identify and talk heart to heart.
        1. yehat
          yehat 6 September 2019 12: 50
          +7
          no, not a provocation.
          remember that you wanted to adopt a more rigorous wording of pension reform.
          and they did not abandon this idea - they can push it into the quiet under the guise of "amendment".
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  3. prapor55
    prapor55 6 September 2019 05: 17
    +29
    By their decisions, the Government of Medvedev, the State Duma and United Russia are increasingly pushing the electorate to think about the type of death penalty for all the above groups of traitors to their people. am
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 6 September 2019 07: 43
      +7
      Quote: prapor55
      pondering the kind of death penalty for all the above groups of traitors to their people

      So they are the majority in the Duma, they will not adopt such laws against themselves. From the beginning, they need to be thrown out of the Duma and the government ..
      1. prapor55
        prapor55 6 September 2019 10: 16
        +2
        Elections are not far off, I think many will support me. I really do not know what can come up with edro in 2021 for his victory. stop
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 6 September 2019 16: 20
          +3
          We need not just to "blame" their candidate in the elections, but to decide on our candidate so as not to scatter votes. The main thing here is that our candidate does not have the slightest relation to them.
          1. prapor55
            prapor55 7 September 2019 06: 10
            +1
            To do this, you do not need to watch a zombie creator, but there is a lot of information on the Internet. As an example I can give Konstantin Sivkov, he wrote articles on this site.
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 6 September 2019 10: 10
      +2
      Quote: prapor55
      By their decisions, the Government of Medvedev, the State Duma and United Russia are increasingly pushing the electorate to think about the type of death penalty for all the above groups of traitors to their people.

      "Execution cannot be pardoned" is another task for the electorate, how to "thank" these "benefactors". Maybe you need to choose some kind of dying monotown and send the whole tribe there for permanent residence in order to live within the framework of the laws and rules that they themselves came up with, paying them the required subsistence minimum. It seems that in six months, at most in a year, they will lay hands on themselves. So no one will have to take sin on their souls.
      1. prapor55
        prapor55 6 September 2019 10: 29
        +4
        Comrade Stalin, during his lifetime, was unable to complete the railway to Salekhard. I suggest that the party in power be sent there in full force, they have enough money for construction. After the commissioning of an object that has become especially distinguished, it will be possible to shorten the period, if any
  4. Thrifty
    Thrifty 6 September 2019 05: 23
    +8
    All these Kremlin creeps do not make sense without reanimating the country's economy.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 6 September 2019 07: 34
      -13
      Quote: Thrifty
      All these Kremlin creeps

      From the Kremlin? Is he from the Kremlin? My friend, you mixed something up.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 6 September 2019 10: 12
        +8
        Quote: Boris55
        From the Kremlin? Is he from the Kremlin? My friend, you mixed something up.

        Come on, Boris, it is pointless to deny the obvious. Putin himself was "pierced" on this topic
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 6 September 2019 10: 34
          -9
          Quote: Silvestr
          to deny the obvious is pointless.

          And what do we have, the Ministry of Economy is located in the Kremlin? And from what time? laughing
        2. Victor N
          Victor N 6 September 2019 12: 52
          -4
          Putin has repeatedly talked about his negative attitude towards raising the retirement age, but circumstances have forced. This is easy to understand. But let us remember that very many people next to us do not pay what is supposed to either in the pension fund or in the budgets. Yes, even brazenly flaunt it!
        3. Ehanatone
          Ehanatone 6 September 2019 21: 46
          +4
          ° Putin himself was "pierced" on this topic "
          Well, let him sit down at $ 300 and understand to the bottom of his head ... padu.! ...
          How to throw to your friends the trillions of another from the treasury to compensate for the sagctions, like two fingers ..., and to the people:
          understand the rallying party who need it easy ....
          here and teripaska Pts very worries ...
          and a ...
  5. Hypatius
    Hypatius 6 September 2019 05: 39
    +16
    Receive, cannot be accumulated. Why do people who donate a lot of time to the PF have to wait for some age qualifications and climb into the garbage can? In my opinion, I have had 25 years of experience (for standard conditions) - deductions in order to receive a minimum pension.
    1. depressant
      depressant 6 September 2019 07: 59
      +13
      In our village, the population is conscious. No one throws clothes in garbage containers. People hang it on their sides. Sometimes you look at the container, and there the second-hand exhibition is there, choose what you want for free. Occasionally there are good, almost new things, especially for children. Shoes are set nearby - adult and children. Books, utensils, though old but thoroughly washed, are placed on concrete cabinets out of respect for those who take it. There are spins with fermented compotes. I did not understand before: why compotes? The man who took them, explained: for moonshine. And it’s not the elderly who delve into the whole abandoned farm, although this happens, but middle-aged people.
      I remember that before the furniture was thrown in a broken state - it’s easier to drag it to the trash. Now it appears rarely, but whole. And if someone wants to throw away old furniture, they first question the neighbors - is it necessary? So I got a table for a laptop for free. And from the trash - three big new dishes, in packs. An old woman in a neighboring house died, the children arrived from the district center and threw everything away. That was 10 years ago. It is unlikely that they would do it now. The population is poor.
    2. Victor N
      Victor N 6 September 2019 14: 30
      -6
      No, not enough. For a long time, the PF of Russia received very large subsidies from the budget - there were not enough contributions to pay pensions. That is, the budget funds were used for other purposes, due to the reduction of expenses for other needs, including education, healthcare and so on. This is a consequence of the fact that once earlier in the calculations a mistake was made or unforeseen circumstances appeared. Of course, everyone wants earlier and more, but ....
      1. Hypatius
        Hypatius 6 September 2019 19: 23
        +1
        No, not enough. ... This is a consequence of the fact that once earlier in the calculations a mistake was made or unforeseen circumstances appeared.
        Not enough, except thieves and reformers. And why should a citizen laying aside his retirement have to suffer from the mistakes of others? My calculation is in mind, offhand: 25 years of experience will be 45 years old, otimistically. Survival time, on average, will remain less than 20 years. Pension average 30% of the average salary, with which 22% (+ investment interest for 40 years) is deducted to MY l / account. Somewhere equally and goes. Well, women can do 30 years, and then nulliparous. And in general, we have a social state, or where? Let them pay extra if they don’t know where to put the money, if only not to develop their economy by creating jobs. Here again, in 4-5 times, Mongolia decided to throw 100 billion rubles into poverty. The budget surplus is constantly at 1-3 trillion. rubles, all kinds of funds and gold reserves of trillion. 70, but citizens must climb in the trash, waiting (but not surviving) age qualification.
        Ps Maybe a fake, but in Turkey it will be possible to retire with 20 years of experience. And all citizens who have reached 65 years of age, with 0 years of experience, have now been assigned a pension of 500 or 600, if in bucks. And here, the Russian Federation wants to throw its citizens for self-financing in order to steal another half, IMHO. Well, who after this state, if not the enemy of the people.
  6. samarin1969
    samarin1969 6 September 2019 05: 47
    +20
    No war, no "Great Depression" - but a description of the labor market as an obituary. The very quality of "labor resources" is also bad. There are few specialists in any field - from a janitor to an academician. There is no one to learn from. A vicious circle: pay little - work poorly - non-competitive economy.
    1. DEDPIHTO
      DEDPIHTO 6 September 2019 06: 15
      +13
      Yes, you are right, the mood from all this .. There is a real war, the enemy has occupied our country.
    2. Victor N
      Victor N 6 September 2019 12: 59
      -5
      The low quality of "labor resources" is a consequence of the degradation of public morality. But not everything is so hopeless, there are many worthy people. It is only important not to imitate everything: everyone is not without sin! Don't throw stones at me - I believe that something good can be learned from both Abramovich and Chubais.
  7. sagitch
    sagitch 6 September 2019 05: 59
    +10
    Up to a quarter of those who are about to be lucky enough to be retired may be in the gray zone of the economy
    I did not think that the time would come when; grow old and retire can be considered a fallen happiness, but it turned out that it is, it will not fall to everyone ...
    1. depressant
      depressant 6 September 2019 08: 35
      +9
      The gray zone of the economy is 13, 2% of the gross domestic product. This is more than 1, 4 trillion rubles, that is, more than 150 billion dollars in current terms. And no one really fought with this and will not fight.
      Why is that? Because it is the money of the middle class - small, medium and fairly large entrepreneurs from the middle. They are witnesses to the protectionism of the state towards the capitalists who own the extractive industry and large processing enterprises. They are witnesses of how they have rapidly and incongruously enriched themselves. They want the same. They perceive the opportunity to work in the shadows as a bonus from the state. Make these people come out of the shadows, and the industry will immediately shrink - many will not want to work so much and will go abroad to the already accumulated capital, and those who have not made enough savings can raise a riot - a serious one. This is not a "rebellion" of the Sobol maiden, overwhelmed by power ambitions. Moreover, unemployment will instantly jump, there will be a collapse. The government understands this, and will not touch the "shadow" for all subsequent decades, only pretending to be fighting against it. It turns out that the "shadow" is an unspoken agreement between the government and the entrepreneurial layer, which suits both parties.
      Who will suffer from this "contract"? Future retirees. But both the government and entrepreneurs do not care about them - people endure!
      In general, we got there. But could such a thing have been calculated in 91? Something else was blowing into the ears - about the society of "equal opportunities". Into the ears of those who were then still young enough, energetic and believed in themselves. And now he is old and weak.
      As they say, give up hope, everyone who enters the "shadow".
      1. ROBIN-SON
        ROBIN-SON 6 September 2019 08: 57
        +5
        In 91 countries fell into the trap. And the population. There are two ways to get out of the trap. A good man will come and set him free. And the other is to bite off his paw. But good people are not visible, and there is no strength to bite off the paw.
        Who managed to get a people, generally educated and hardworking on this trap with a trap? Chubais?
        1. depressant
          depressant 6 September 2019 09: 58
          +4
          Not Chubais. He is just a puppet in the hands of those who, since the Brezhnev era, have taught the population to tolerate the presence and growth of the shadow economy. And she was! After Khrushchev abolished the cooperatives and the layer of individual farmers in agriculture in 1956, cooperators who produced a huge amount of consumer goods rushed to create underground enterprises. But Khrushchev introduced extremely harsh laws against them. And then a way out was found - shadow production. Some cooperative enterprises were declared state-owned even under Khrushchev. Party officials who did not understand anything about technology were appointed directors. The former owners remained deputies, and with the arrival of Brezhnev, they quickly set up production beyond the plan. Or they showed that the plan, for some objective reason, was not fulfilled. Unaccounted for went to stores on the old waybills of recorded products. Party directors guessed it, but the temptation of money is great. For security, city and republican party bodies, as well as the Ministry of Internal Affairs, were included in the system of corruption relations. Unrecorded production was the "shadow". And so that the workers, guessing about what was happening, would not grumble, they were allowed to drag something out of production, for example, finished products. Of course, such an agreement between the workers and the management was tacit. With the formation of a layer of "thugs" began the decomposition of the communist ideology of the working class. The joint corruption decomposition of the ideological spirit of the workers and governing bodies led to what we have. What the workers used to drag out of production has now been replaced by wages in envelopes. And if you grumble, we will replace you with guest workers. Because all this for a long time, for a long time! The institution of attracting gasarbeiters is an effective measure against the dissatisfied. Capitalism, with its open state borders and the ability to attract foreign labor, has become a convenient form of suppressing protest sentiments in the face of insufficient jobs. And it seems that this state of the economy is artificially maintained in the interests of small and medium-sized businesses. So as not to grumble about the protectionism of the oligarchs, quickly earning unaccounted funds. This is a bribe from the state to small and medium-sized businesses. For loyalty. This is on the one hand. On the other hand, there is corruption pressure on business from all state institutions. So that small and medium-sized ones, going into large ones, could not claim the conquests of the sacred cow - the very oligarchic stratum. That the oligarchs have already appropriated to themselves.
          1. ROBIN-SON
            ROBIN-SON 6 September 2019 11: 22
            +5
            I agree. Those. until the 90th the rails were laid, and the train started after. Everything that is being done now is being done very competently and harmoniously.
            Who was on TV before the 90s? Workers in overalls. Now well-groomed "beauties". TV dictates - be successful. But when you go out into the street, you don't see them. So you are a loser, alas, you are out of luck.
            And to the mass of people, bread and circuses. At the top waiting for a change of generations, new ones will come up, brought up in new realities. Build unshakable. All this for a long time.
            Well, people were given virtual freedom. On the internet sites. The fight is not comic. Only victims and virtual blood. Everyone is happy, everyone can speak out.
      2. Victor N
        Victor N 6 September 2019 13: 08
        -4
        Most of the able-bodied population works in the "shadow", receiving wages in envelopes, without paying taxes and contributions to the pension fund. And this is absolutely the case in all countries. How to deal with this and could not come up with. The only thing: public morality regards such behavior as dishonesty - these are the norms that need to be supported.
        To blame everything on the government is to divert attention from the true culprits.
      3. Hypatius
        Hypatius 6 September 2019 19: 50
        +2
        The gray zone of the economy is 13, 2%
        If this is true, then it’s normal then. In Nicaragua, the gray zone reaches 50%. And present-day Russia is a country of contrasts, now in the first places, then in the last. And not the fact that we did not overtake Uzbekistan. And in our country, this gray zone may be concentrated in the trade in raw materials. For example, according to the Federal State Statistics Service, we sold mineral oils to Germany for 11 billion, and the Germans say that we bought these oils for $ 28 billion from the Russians in 2016. And so on all counts, including immigrants.
  8. Destiny
    Destiny 6 September 2019 06: 13
    +11
    "over the age of 45 -50 years have in Russia, let’s say, not the highest salary levels. Namely workers of this “dangerous” age have, as a rule, highly qualified, almost always not corresponding to the level of wages. It is these people who keep a number of economic sectors afloat that are balancing on the brink of survival. "
    Everything about me, one to one. Until retirement (oil industry, fishing, not the boss in the office) it will not work, apparently. Thank you to the authorities.
  9. parusnik
    parusnik 6 September 2019 06: 24
    +12
    Pension reform can be classified as bringing the people to suicide ...
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 6 September 2019 06: 39
      +13
      Quote: parusnik
      how to bring people the government to suicide...

      Remember the old joke about Leo, who promised Lioness for intimate pleasures to anyone who jumps into the abyss? I remind you:
      Gathered Leo - the king of the beasts of his subjects on the edge of the abyss and says:
      - See, the Lioness lies below? Which of you jumps and survives, he can enjoy intimacy with her.
      Beasts are whispering among themselves. A tempting offer, but also a deep gulf. Suddenly they see the Bear flying down. The bear fell to the bottom of the abyss, rose, shook off, looked at the lioness and climbed up. Leo tells him:
      - Misha! My royal word is indestructible - Your lioness! And the Bear answers him:
      - Wait, Lyova! First, I will enter into intimacy with the one who pushed me ...
      Why am I doing this? Yes, all to the fact that our Russian people first kills those who pushed him into the abyss of various economic and pension reforms ... bully
      1. Den717
        Den717 6 September 2019 07: 13
        +1
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Why am I doing this? Yes, all to the fact that our Russian people will first kill those who pushed him into this abyss of various economic and pension reforms ...

        Enviable self-criticism ... laughing
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 6 September 2019 07: 42
          +5
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Yes, all to the fact that our Russian people will first kill those who pushed him into this abyss of various economic and pension reforms ...

          Everything happens and repeats, more than once!
          That's when we get out, then we’ll definitely climb to look for those who pushed us there!
          One thing is annoying that we will start to figure out, "decorate" the lamp posts after we crash .... but it would be necessary BEFORE, if you think well and look carefully around and UP!
          1. Den717
            Den717 6 September 2019 07: 57
            +1
            Quote: rocket757
            but it would be necessary BEFORE if you think well and carefully look around and UP!

            There are no words. Of course it should. But history does not know such examples. All global construction of public relations began with catastrophic destruction and the seas of mediocre spilled blood not involved and innocent.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 6 September 2019 08: 53
              +5
              Quote: Den717
              All global construction of public relations began with catastrophic destruction and the seas of mediocre spilled blood not involved and innocent.

              How else? Dermoccratic way? When was it that those who attacked, stole, voluntarily returned at least something ???
              1. Den717
                Den717 6 September 2019 09: 53
                +1
                Quote: rocket757
                When was it that those who attacked, stole, voluntarily returned at least something ???

                Yes, that's right. How true is the fact that what is "grabbed and stolen" through the shed blood of unreasonable beggars will fall into the hands of other well-fed crooks, and not into the hands of poverty. And the people, as they were poor, will become even poorer ...
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 6 September 2019 10: 10
                  +8
                  Quote: Den717
                  How true is the fact that what is "grabbed and stolen" through the shed blood of unreasonable beggars will fall into the hands of other well-fed crooks, and not into the hands of poverty.

                  The options are different. There were real attempts to share everything relatively honestly!
                  The country of advice is a good example ... for all the shoals allowed by the pioneers, for various reasons, the process went towards improving the life of the WHOLE PEOPLE!
                  1. Den717
                    Den717 6 September 2019 10: 47
                    -2
                    Quote: rocket757
                    The country of advice is a good example ... for all the shoals allowed by the pioneers, for various reasons, the process went towards improving the life of the WHOLE PEOPLE!

                    Are we not from the land of the Soviets? See the result? He is outside the window ... No matter how much you feed the wolf, he still looks into the forest ... The civil war, the true size of the losses in which they can not count to this day, was also in the land of the Soviets. The “path of improvement” took 30-35 years, and everything returned to the primacy of capital over social good. Again, through devastation and an abundance of human blood.
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 6 September 2019 10: 56
                      +3
                      Quote: Den717
                      See the result?

                      The result of what we see outside the window?
                      1. Den717
                        Den717 6 September 2019 11: 52
                        0
                        Quote: rocket757
                        The result of what we see outside the window?

                        Read the comments, there the weight is described in detail by the especially suffering and about the stealing, and about grabbing, and about not surviving to retirement ....
                      2. rocket757
                        rocket757 6 September 2019 12: 04
                        +3
                        It is now. We have not a country of advice for a long time, but a dermocracy!
                        What is the connection with the country that we have lost?
                        I don’t understand what is being compared.
                        See for yourself what and why you wanted to say, to connect.
                      3. Den717
                        Den717 6 September 2019 12: 09
                        0
                        Quote: rocket757
                        What is the connection with the country that we have lost?

                        The country, which, as you say, we have lost, was sold by those people who led it and led the "process towards improving the life of the WHOLE PEOPLE!" Despite the fact that we lived with you both with those and with these. Don't see the connection?
                      4. rocket757
                        rocket757 6 September 2019 12: 54
                        +5
                        Now it’s clear, I caught the thread, t.s!
                        Yes, those to whom memory does not fail can be compared then and now.
                        The situation with our loss is multi-layered!
                        Those who betrayed, brought under the "monastery" the country that was entrusted to them, with them it is more, less clear - sold / betrayed! By the way, they finally led the country only into the pit !!! this is also now known / understood.
                        But WE, we’ve lost everything ... out of stupidity, out of ignorance, too lazy to move our brains ...... chasing a dream that turned out to be a chimera !!! A lot can now be reasoned \ talked ... the result of what? We will not forget, but we must move on !!!
                        Where, why, you need to think hard about that! Decide and do!
                      5. Den717
                        Den717 6 September 2019 13: 15
                        0
                        Quote: rocket757
                        We will not forget, but we must move on !!!
                        Where, why, you need to think hard about that! Decide and do!

                        That's it. Do it. Your future, the future of your family, children. All of whom are responsible.
                      6. rocket757
                        rocket757 6 September 2019 13: 22
                        +2
                        I read that to the children of the "Little Prince" Saint-Exupery .... we are in charge !!! this is one of the main things to remember always!
                      7. Den717
                        Den717 6 September 2019 14: 09
                        0
                        Quote: rocket757
                        That I also read to the children of "The Little Prince" Saint-Exupery

                        I have not read my "little prince". I just brought them to gold medals and one to Ph.D., well, I gave them a little "on the road" ...
                      8. rocket757
                        rocket757 6 September 2019 14: 28
                        +1
                        To each his own term and OWN PLACE! My sporting achievements collect while .... very late flowers, flowers.
                      9. Den717
                        Den717 6 September 2019 14: 35
                        +1
                        Quote: rocket757
                        My sporting achievements collect while

                        I have a senior, too, the whole school was in sports. But, in my opinion, only sport of high achievements can become a profession. True, he shortens life. Therefore, we changed directions and went to engineers ... And you success in those areas that you choose. wink
                      10. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 7 September 2019 22: 27
                        +2
                        Good evening, Victor! You say those who betrayed . Why did this opportunity exist? Stalin always made shuffles of officials, did not allow him to stay long in one place.
                        That's just during the Second World War this did not happen. It turned out that then, after the Second World War, they already clearly understood what and how they needed to receive their privileges
                      11. rocket757
                        rocket757 9 September 2019 08: 28
                        +1
                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        Good evening, Victor! You say those who betrayed . Why did this opportunity exist? Stalin always made shuffles of officials, did not allow him to stay long in one place.
                        That's just during the Second World War this did not happen. It turned out that then, after the Second World War, they already clearly understood what and how they needed to receive their privileges

                        Hi Dmitry soldier
                        One thing can be said about officials of any rank! When the reign ruler releases or the SYSTEM itself condones, they will find loopholes, create conditions for their prosperity .... and their loved ones, close ones, of course!
                      12. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 9 September 2019 11: 07
                        +1
                        Yes, of course, Victor! They will not wait for favors from nature, that is, some kind of pension there. They will take these graces here and now ----- take immediately and more, their task! And there, even for permanent residence, even where!
                        Quote: rocket757
                        ...... Hello Dmitry soldier
                        One thing can be said about officials of any rank! When the reign ruler releases or the SYSTEM itself condones, they will find loopholes, create conditions for their prosperity .... and their loved ones, close ones, of course!
                      13. rocket757
                        rocket757 9 September 2019 11: 21
                        +1
                        Even the Emperor Peter called them "nettle seed" and not only chopped beards!
                        Although this "seed" was born much earlier!
                        Our system was built by them, for our loved ones, and the "sovereign" does not burden with reins! "beards" does not cut!
                      14. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 9 September 2019 12: 18
                        +1
                        Quote: rocket757
                        Even the Emperor Peter called them "nettle seed" and not only chopped beards!
                        Although this "seed" was born much earlier!
                        Our system was built by them, for our loved ones, and the "sovereign" does not burden with reins! "beards" does not cut!

                        Yes, weeds are so weeds, no matter what GMOs these weeds are, so as not to multiply! Although cunning, they’ll learn to bud! am
                2. Victor N
                  Victor N 6 September 2019 13: 28
                  -7
                  What kind of people have they "stolen" from? "Before that" I didn't even own an apartment. There was nothing to steal from me. Absolutely! Tales about "public property" are a blatant lie that continues to corrupt and poison the lives of many. Former party officials and political officers are especially affected.
          2. lukewarm
            lukewarm 6 September 2019 10: 06
            +6
            Quote: rocket757
            That's when we get out, then we’ll definitely climb to look for those who pushed us there!

            And why not vice versa? After all, until we remove those who pushed us, we certainly will not crawl out. Hands will squeeze!
          3. New Year day
            New Year day 6 September 2019 10: 15
            +7
            Quote: rocket757
            climb to search for those who pushed us there!

            don’t you see them in the box?
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 6 September 2019 10: 24
              +8
              Quote: Silvestr
              don’t you see them in the box?

              We see and know about the count! But "we", these are many separate I's scattered over the vastness of the country ... long ago! When we are able to get together in one big WE, then we can send all the pushers to where they belong!
              Quote: unwillingly
              After all, until we remove those who pushed us, we certainly will not crawl out.

              LET'S DELETE !!! there is no one for now to "remove" to do, we will have an individual "remove" ... we will remain in a state ЯWe won’t achieve anything !!! Need to pack WE!
              Everything is OBVIOUS!
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 6 September 2019 17: 07
                +8
                Quote: rocket757
                But "we", this scattered over the vastness of the country, many separate I ...

                You are right in saying that about this case, Lenin said: "the revolutionary education of the masses is underway." After the pension reform, even the blind saw the lack of prospects and the essence of the current state. The people are ripening
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 9 September 2019 08: 38
                  0
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  The people are ripening

                  The people want peace, for the most part! This is the conflict / brake of all and any process of modernization, reorganization, development of society, the country as a whole!
      2. Svarog
        Svarog 6 September 2019 07: 54
        +5
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Why am I doing this? Yes, all to the fact that our Russian people will first kill those who pushed him into this abyss of various economic and pension reforms ...

        Those who pushed us down calmly live out .. receiving a pension of 600 tr, but they are building monuments to someone .. and the successor of their work is going to rule them to the grave .. will prepare a receiver for himself, who will put monuments to him too .. I have doubts about "suicide" .. I would like the overwhelming majority to realize the viciousness of everything that is happening and only through the realization of the overwhelming majority positive changes can begin, and in order for them to be really positive, communists / socialists should be more active
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 6 September 2019 07: 55
      +7
      Quote: parusnik
      Pension reform can be classified as bringing the people to suicide ...

      Pension reform is pure genocide of the population ..
    3. sagitch
      sagitch 8 September 2019 21: 42
      0
      Or maybe those suicides from the government?
  10. olezenka1
    olezenka1 6 September 2019 07: 04
    +8
    I am almost 56 and after 4 years there were a lot of plans! Now I have a lot of plans in only 9 years .... (
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 6 September 2019 07: 32
      +7
      Quote: olezenka1
      after 4 years there were a lot of plans! Now I have a lot of plans in only 9 years .... (

      You can safely adjust your plans in the direction of decreasing, 60 and 65 years old is a completely different age, time is inexorable and what you could do at 60, then at 65 you will not be able to do it because of health or finances, or maybe just no longer wants to. In general, you are an optimist, which undoubtedly pleases you, to plan for 9 years in advance, I’m of a similar age, but I don’t plan so far that tomorrow it will be learned by our authorities, it’s such stability in our country. hi
    2. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 6 September 2019 08: 26
      +2
      And I'm exactly the opposite. He was going to fly to the age limit in aviation - up to 65 years old, no further. And for health reasons, I was kicked out for an early retirement.
      1. depressant
        depressant 6 September 2019 13: 29
        +1
        Ivanov ... So you are a pilot! What did you keep silent before? My respect!
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 6 September 2019 17: 15
          +2
          It was. Once upon a time.
  11. Van 16
    Van 16 6 September 2019 07: 15
    +6
    Unfortunately, yes, all the changes we have are only for the worse, and this is a fact. Not only that, those who had to retire in the 90s, when state enterprises were massively closed, began working in various types of LLCs now. Even if officially, where now to look for these LLCs and other private security companies?
  12. YasenPen
    YasenPen 6 September 2019 07: 22
    +1
    Well, then, we deserve all this shit @ ... both we and our grandchildren.
    Such infantile slave people still need to look ...
    And what "miracles" this nation is waiting for yet!
  13. Whowhy
    Whowhy 6 September 2019 07: 38
    +9
    That's just the author was not able to find even in the corridors of the labor exchange at least one such unemployed.

    My wife, a music teacher, (53g) was asked to resign "on her own", as she spoiled the statistics, not wanting to work 30 hours a week (this is now an unofficial norm at school). She went to register on the stock exchange. By law, you can be registered if you were denied a job in three places offered on the exchange. They offered her three places "in the middle of nowhere" for a salary that was barely enough to pay for travel there and back. These are the statistics.
  14. Desdecado
    Desdecado 6 September 2019 08: 07
    +9
    Why do thieves and the main crook retirees?! .. There are resources of a huge country that can be traded for centuries without looking at local Aborigines ...
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 6 September 2019 09: 49
      0
      Quote: Desdecado
      Why do thieves and the main crook retirees?! .. There are resources of a huge country

      Each has its own feeding trough - to whom resources, to whom is a pension.
  15. Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 6 September 2019 08: 27
    +6
    Frankly frightening situation

    Putin V.V .:
    If we quietly drive away from paternalism, and everyone understands that his fate is primarily in his own hands, this will be a very correct direction in working with young people
    .
    And they say the presidential decrees are not being implemented and yes: the "boyars" are bad, but the "tsar" is still good lol.
    It does not even reach the electorate that in the current conditions of the coordinates of the social system, it is simply impossible in another way, even if you change the deck of politicians every week.
    1. lukewarm
      lukewarm 6 September 2019 10: 09
      +6
      Quote: Sovetskiy
      Putin V.V .:
      If we quietly drive away from paternalism, and everyone understands that his fate is primarily in his own hands, this will be a very correct direction in working with young people

      Well sobsno and got what he wanted. The youth definitely "rallied" from him.
      1. Campanella
        Campanella 9 September 2019 20: 13
        +1
        It was not only young people who tackled him. A narrow-minded, I would say a limitedly educated, greedy liberal. His games will end sadly for the country if there are smart international opponents. The only thing is if he does not agree with them. His favorite phrase, I am always open to negotiations. A sales ex-communist silovik, such is my estimated point of view.
  16. Andrey Shch
    Andrey Shch 6 September 2019 09: 24
    -2
    Quote: whowhy
    That's just the author was not able to find even in the corridors of the labor exchange at least one such unemployed.

    My wife, a music teacher, (53g) was asked to resign "on her own", as she spoiled the statistics, not wanting to work 30 hours a week (this is now an unofficial norm at school). She went to register on the stock exchange. By law, you can be registered if you were denied a job in three places offered on the exchange. They offered her three places "in the middle of nowhere" for a salary that was barely enough to pay for travel there and back. These are the statistics.

    Something you have piled. If the employer refuses you in the direction of the employment service, then you have something to do with it. You will be registered and deregistered will not, if already registered. And if you yourself refused, then yes, they will not recognize you as unemployed (or they will suspend the payment of benefits if they have already been registered) and the length of service will not go, but they will not be removed from registration, after 40 days there is a repeat, and again offer the same jobs You do not have the right. And then, you do not have the right to offer a job not in their specialty. Of course, you yourself can go to any job, but if you are offered not in your specialty, you refuse and you are not recognized as unemployed and do not pay benefits, then this is illegal. Perhaps the result can be achieved.
    1. Desdecado
      Desdecado 6 September 2019 10: 28
      +4
      To complain, they do what they want on the ground, he himself, somehow after the next wave of the crisis, stood at the labor exchange, in my town with closed enterprises for me there simply were no vacancies in my specialty and received 800 rubles for three months. benefits were removed from the register ... Putin did not write tearful letters ...
      1. Andrey Shch
        Andrey Shch 6 September 2019 13: 03
        -5
        Why are you pulling Putin to the place and out of place. I myself do not feel much sympathy for him, I consider him guilty of some things, but I must also show some activity on the ground. As for communication with the employment service, you are lying like a gray gelding. This situation, which you described, is impossible in principle. No, no one is safe from the boors, but they could not remove you from registration during the year. And 800 rubles. They could not pay you (this is generally below the minimum). However, if you were swollen and didn’t come to re-register once every two weeks, then you could remove it, and then not immediately, first they suspend it for a month, then a person is sick or some other good reason.
        1. Desdecado
          Desdecado 6 September 2019 14: 10
          +5
          This is how people are treated in employment centers - they were "thumping" .. what about you after that ... And 800r was 10 years ago and then a penny
          1. Andrey Shch
            Andrey Shch 6 September 2019 14: 46
            -8
            And you do not command respect, my dear, so that with you "after this ...". A kind of crying Pierrot, whom everyone offends and everyone owes him. If some lakhudra from the employment service sent you, and you silently wiped yourself off and left, then how else to treat you. How to respect you, if you dissolve snot and cannot stand up for yourself. About 800 rubles. 10 years ago, I don’t know, I don’t want to search, because it’s not important, you would have remembered the last century, but the registration procedure was the same as now. We could not remove you from registration during the year by the decision of the employment service, only on your initiative. Did the word "swell" offended you? So I did not state this, this is an assumption, one of the options. Yes, a little on the verge, but you really lied, you could be removed from registration only because of your jambs. Or does this word also sound offensive to your gentle soul?
            1. Desdecado
              Desdecado 6 September 2019 15: 10
              +4
              And who causes respect respect? .. The bureaucrat in the next office, probably, to whom you suggest to complain? Well complain, fucking adviser.
              1. Andrey Shch
                Andrey Shch 6 September 2019 16: 03
                -8
                Well, here's your mug and got out. Has the respectful tone that everyone is flaunting here is over? Who are you, dove, to be rude? My first comment was strictly informative, I do not speak at all on general topics, as well as on topics that I am not aware of. There are already enough "generalists" like you here. Why did he begin to answer me, why the hell did he get it, if you don’t understand the belmes. In fact, describing your situation, you accused me of lying, and now you make round eyes, build a Red Maid and make Yaroslavna cry. Go on whimpering, curse Putin and the current government. Perhaps you will pay back what.
                PS But in fact it didn’t answer. How to eat a liar.
                1. Desdecado
                  Desdecado 7 September 2019 08: 18
                  +1
                  Basically, I can tell you only one thing - I would have met you on the street and whipped you on your cheeks, like an over-the-top puppy who barks at everyone and does not know how to behave. And why did you decide that after your malicious, verbal diarrhea, I still have to provide you with evidence ?!
                  1. Andrey Shch
                    Andrey Shch 7 September 2019 09: 37
                    -1
                    Oh, what a hero you are. Is there enough strength? You sit at distant lands, safe and blather something. Well oh-very brave cur.
        2. depressant
          depressant 6 September 2019 17: 38
          +4
          Andrey Shch!
          You are on the forum of the Military Review. It is not customary to offend interlocutors here, as, for example, on Vzglyad and other forums. People here are literate, polite and well-mannered. Nobody tells fairy tales, everyone shares their life experience. You need to find another form of expression of distrust of statements, if you experience it, and even better - trust. Remember that a mental blow will shorten the life of the recipient.
          1. Andrey Shch
            Andrey Shch 7 September 2019 09: 37
            -1
            No need to run into.
        3. Campanella
          Campanella 9 September 2019 20: 07
          0
          For sergeant, you are too cool! In Moscow, the allowance can only be received for 6 months. Then a break ... the allowance is penny 1200 or 1400, plus transportation costs somewhere else. A total of about 3000 sput, this is a minimal and it is given to almost everyone.
          Putin promised 11 tyr, this is generally cheese in a mousetrap.
          So your Putin is very much to do with!
  17. yehat
    yehat 6 September 2019 11: 03
    +4
    Quote: Nyrobsky
    so that they live within the framework of those laws and rules that they themselves came up with, paying them the required cost of living.

    if I disposed of their fate, I would send them to medical experiments.
    for example, to try medications for ebola or AIDS, to investigate the consequences of lobotomy, the possibility of organ and head transplants, the problems of triggering the mechanism of regeneration of lost parts of the body.
    this is the best way they can help society and at least partially make amends.
  18. Phenomenon
    Phenomenon 6 September 2019 11: 06
    +8
    As long as the people remain silent, tolerate and "treat with understanding" - the officials will have no limit.
    1. goose
      goose 9 September 2019 15: 53
      -1
      Quote: Phenomenon
      As long as the people remain silent, tolerate and "treat with understanding" - the officials will have no limit.

      Now tell me how the miners from Kuzbass will not be silent, and they can’t even get to the court in Moscow.
  19. akunin
    akunin 6 September 2019 18: 20
    +2
    They are saved due to the help of children, part-time jobs, odd jobs
    due to the help of children, it’s extremely wrong, in many regions on the periphery the old people help children, and not vice versa. Jobs without registration are also welcomed by the employer (he likes serfs), and there’s no way for people to go (especially in small towns).
  20. Piramidon
    Piramidon 6 September 2019 18: 35
    +1
    Thank God, my wife and I managed to avoid this madhouse and earn a pension. I'm sorry for the children. Although they can also walk on the already existing pensioners. Everything can be expected from "edros". Artists, athletes and all kinds of secular lionesses and lions pass laws here.
    1. depressant
      depressant 6 September 2019 22: 30
      +4
      I would not want to raise this issue ...
      But colleague YasenPen touched him. What kind of people are we?
      The issue was exaggerated by the press in the late 90s and early 2000s thousandths, and then - silence. Because addressing such intolerant issues is now fraught with obstruction throughout the world.
      Well then, let's raise it.
      We are a genetically weakened people. For the historically insignificant period of World War I, the Civil War, and the Great Patriotic War, tens of millions of brave, courageous, persistent men who knew how to stand up for their convictions swept out of our ranks. Ready of their own accord to go to their death. Those men who for the most part did not have time to continue their race. No country in the world has suffered as much as ours. We have become a nation of bitter widows, and it is common for them to adapt to circumstances, rather than change them. And now our people have a female mentality aimed at survival, rather than actively shaping the image of the future, which is characteristic of the heroism of men. Over time, maybe for hundreds of peaceful years we could recover, but a country with a female face has not been able to withstand the change in the economic formation and cannot unite in the fight against injustice, just as a country of strong-willed and determined men could do. Because the borders are open, and our passionaries, based on the fact that the human age is short, merge abroad - to where at least more satisfying.
      Tens of millions of our people, advertised by foreigners, quietly spread around the world away from their homeland, which refused to shelter most of them, which became an additional negative background in the perception of life for the whole people of Russia. After all, everyone tried their fate on themselves, and many shuddered. But a country with a widow's psychology meekly accepted that too!
      We survived two Chechen wars in which many of our military and civilians died. And these were the next civil wars, and we are still brazenly broadcasting from the screens that the change in the economic formation was painless. And how many active youth died in the shootings of the damned 90s!
      The government understands all this, it is informed by experts who once held discussions in the press on this subject. But to announce your understanding out loud means to take paternalistic obligations towards the entire people of Russia. But he doesn’t need this! Not for those who, as colleague Sylvester said, are now looking at us from the screens.
      After all, the government is ours! And therefore, he also has a female face! Male heroics are not even there. It itself seeks who would take care of it, and finds patrons abroad - the IMF, PACE, others who beat it, then love. It perceives us as a difficult circumstance that must be painfully overcome.
      1. DEDPIHTO
        DEDPIHTO 7 September 2019 05: 20
        +2
        Um, about the wars that have mowed down the best, strong-minded men I agree, but .. in vain you completely funeral men, they are not born fighters, they become fighters. They become for various reasons, as they do not. A person like a sponge absorbs everything and like plasticine, from which over time you can fashion anything and genetics are here in last place ... at least not in the first for sure. The bandits from the 90s were remembered as active heroes - as soon as they took away their weapons and started pressing them on an adult, many people actively urinated in their pants from fear and actively planted accomplices. Cunning and arrogance is not an indicator of masculinity. Passionaries go abroad? - weaklings go abroad, maybe they are smart because they are on the path of least resistance, but the fact that they are not fighters is obvious in my opinion. Let them fall, anyway there will be no sense from them, the body is cleared of slag . In general, everything turned out to be feminine, with a tear, so in general it should be. hi And do not rush the story, still ahead .. wink In conclusion, one episode is about a sponge and plasticine and the government ...
      2. Campanella
        Campanella 9 September 2019 19: 59
        0
        Everything is very simple, people skillfully divided the power and forced everyone to survive alone.
        A thousand times wrote about this, all the associations that could act as a powerful front in the political struggle or destroyed and led.
    2. Campanella
      Campanella 9 September 2019 21: 32
      0
      They need to go to the zoo, but they are sleeping in the Duma!
      Aviaries are waiting for them ...
  21. edelweiss968
    edelweiss968 6 September 2019 21: 14
    +5
    51year, exactly fifty dollars stroke and diabetes, what kind of pension are you talking about? and not only I won’t have it, how can we talk about an increase in the subsistence age if it is less than 60 years for men? they lack the opportunity of tomorrow to declare us Papuans, but soon this will happen. what accumulations can a person who has got a job say - a salary of 9800 rubles per month? if someone thinks that we will die silently, having previously wrapped up in a shroud and without creating traffic jams we will move towards the nearest cemetery, I can disappoint that something tells me that there are fewer of them than pensioners and pensioners. and leaving the company is more pleasant
  22. APASUS
    APASUS 6 September 2019 21: 50
    +4
    To work hard and get a white salary? And then again the pension reform, the seventh or eighth and they say that it was not money that had to be saved, but energy!
    And you have 0 energy in the account!
  23. Kontrik
    Kontrik 7 September 2019 10: 04
    -3
    We do not need pensions, give machines, tanks and orders !!! soldier

    These are the things in the FIU .. wink
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    2. Antares
      Antares 7 September 2019 11: 27
      +1
      Quote: Kontrik
      We do not need pensions, give machines, tanks and orders !!

      and Mikhan needs orders ...
      For slogans or what?
      the topic is not about that.
      And distraction from the internal to the external will not work.
      1. Kontrik
        Kontrik 7 September 2019 11: 42
        -5
        Quote: Antares
        For slogans or what?
        the topic is not about that.

        It is about this. wink .! Do you want instead of youngsters, pre-pensioners to take to protests in Moscow, etc.? he he
        And then the redistribution of property, etc. general NATO parade in Moscow negative
        Quote: Antares
        And distraction from the internal to the external will not work.

        There are many internal problems, but somehow without a liberal public, we will solve everything .. Zer buzz? soldier
        1. DEDPIHTO
          DEDPIHTO 7 September 2019 15: 34
          +3
          Meehan, only you have one NATO parade in your head, occupied due to lack of gray matter fool
          1. depressant
            depressant 7 September 2019 22: 42
            0
            And what, DEDPICHTO, Kontrik, it turns out, believes in the unprecedented power of pre-pensioners!
            This is how they will go out to a completely sanctioned rally in the center of Moscow, some with a dropper, some in a wheelchair, someone on a stretcher, and this is where the Russian Guard will be confused, and Putin will have enough fright, and from that fright he will remake property, and at the same time, out of confusion, he will open the gates and let NATO tanks in. And the pre-retirees will be announced: "Citizens, the patch is out! Here, it turns out, a NATO tank parade was planned before your rally, so everyone goes home, and the property has been redone, don't worry! Chubais has already been hung on the lantern!" ! "
            What is it for me?
            And to the fact that right now, under my wide open kitchen window on the porch of the entrance, some completely sober youth is sitting, discussing something violently. And I would not have paid attention to them, if not for the loud exclamation of one of the guys: "Why are you all Putin, but Putin! Who is he? He can't do anything!"
            Kontrick is not afraid of those.
            1. Campanella
              Campanella 9 September 2019 19: 50
              0
              We have almost no social solidarity, but kindred has remained, there is still a sense of justice and self-esteem. And if the government begins to press pensioners, then the people may burst the patient.
              Remember how pence blocked Leningrad? Power immediately rolled back.
    3. Campanella
      Campanella 9 September 2019 19: 55
      -1
      Keyword Putin is behind us ...))) Not ahead on a dashing horse, but behind us.
  24. Campanella
    Campanella 9 September 2019 19: 47
    0
    11 thousand can only be enlightened, the GDP knew what it was signing, a public relations move on the flames of popular indignation ... What can’t you do to prevent them from being driven out of their seats.