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Latvian Legion of Death: swastika instead of conscience

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The Latvian Legion Waffen SS, which became famous during the Second World War for its particular cruelty and cynicism in the destruction of the Jewish and Slavic peoples, in modern Latvia today is truly crowned with laurels of heroes. Divine services are held in their honor in the Dome Cathedral in Riga, and organ music resounds loudly.

The Latvian detachments that were in the service of the Reich during the war years are better known as the famous Latvian SS Legion. At the very beginning of the last century is to look for deep roots stories his creations, when only Latvian collaborationism and national chauvinism were born. In Latvia, pro-fascist organizations appeared immediately after the end of the First World War, for example, the Latvian National Club and Aizsargi (“guards”), which were formed from 19 to 22, the 20 century.

Latvian Legion of Death: swastika instead of conscience


The anti-human nature of the Latvian national chauvinists in all its “glory” manifested itself in the summer of 41, when a wave of pogroms spread across Latvia. In the same fatal year, Heydrich, the head of the Main Directorate of Security of Germany, sent a directive to all Einsatzgrupp commanders, on the basis of which it was prescribed “not to interfere with self-purification aspirations from anti-Jewish and anti-communist circles in territories under control.”

In early July, the 41-th “Arais team” was formed, burning down the Riga synagogue together with the local inhabitants, hiding in it from the Latvian “fascists”, including about 2000 Jews. Over time, the number of members of the “Arajs team” increased to 3 thousand people who wore bandages on their sleeves with the image of crossbones and skull. In addition, the words “Security Auxiliary Police” were present on the bandages. Soon the “Arajs team” was frankly dressed in the form of the Nazi troops “SS”. From that moment on, mass executions of Slavs and Jews became routine work for Latvian Nazis.



In October 1941, the 1-th Latvian battalion was sent as part of the SS to fight with the Soviet partisans. At the same time, consent was obtained from the Wehrmacht, according to which the voluntary Latvian Legion of the SS was created. And in February 1943, Adolf Hitler endorsed the order, according to which the “volunteer Latvian SS legion was created as a combat unit”. The legion was commanded by the German General Hansen, while the Latvian General Bangerskis was appointed the inspector general, who soon received the title of Gruppenführer of the SS group. Those who joined the legion took the oath personally to Hitler. The 19 and 15 divisions in March 1944 of the year became part of the already “famous” 6 corps of SS groups, which in turn was included in the 18 army, better known as the army group called “North”. This army group at that time controlled positions along the Great River, north of the cities of Pskov and Ostrov. The name “volunteer” division was replaced in mid-June 1944 by “Waffen”. So, on the territory of Ukraine punitive 22 th Daugavpils police battalion inhumanly operated in the areas of Lutsk and Zhytomyr. Already in the summer of 1942 in Belarus, the German police transferred the town of Slonim to the 18-th Latvian police battalion. And on the same day, his commander Rubenis ordered the brutal destruction of the ghetto, where there were more than 2000 Jews.

In 1943, from February to April, units of the Legion took an active part in the operation, popularly known as the “Winter Magic” or the “Oceian tragedy”. The name is directly connected with the Belarusian urban settlement of Osveya, Verkhnedvinsk district, Vitebsk region. The operation aimed at creating a neutral 40-kilometer zone, covering such cities and towns of Belarus and Russia as Osveya, Drissa, Rossony, Sebezh and Polotsk. The supposed strip of land without settlements and residents was supposed to be partisan to deprive strongholds. In the operation, led by the SS Obergruppenfuhrer SS Ekkelnom, the Latvian battalions 7 took part, as well as one Ukrainian and Lithuanian company. The total number of participants is 4000 people. At the entrance to the village, the police shot down anyone who could, in their opinion, be an accomplice of the partisans. Immediately, village invalids and old men were shot, and women and children were sent to national camps, from where the doomed were sent immediately to death camps.

Most of the prisoners came to Salaspils, located near Riga, where women were taken away from women and sent to Germany for work. In the conduct of the operation, these nonhumans destroyed hundreds of villages, in which sometimes they lived up to 1000 and more. Only in Osveysky district, the Latvian hangers-on burned 183 villages, shot, and then burned more 11 000 people, among whom more than 2 000 are young children. With the territory of Belarus with the complicity of the Latvian Nazis more than 14 000 residents were taken to Germany for work. It is noteworthy that the Ministry of Justice of Germany considered the operation called “Winter Magic” to be nothing more than a crime against humanity and humanity.

The 25 th police battalion with a company of Lidums from summer to autumn 1943 carried out punitive operations against partisans based in the Pripyat marshes. In addition, the Latvian SS battalions participated in the execution of 500 prisoners, mainly of Belarusian origin, who were kept in the concentration camp of the village Porohovo. The 18 police battalion showed the greatest atrocities on the Belarusian land, of which the 73 monster was awarded the special model head of the SS and the Belorussian police with a medal designed for representatives from Eastern nations - “For the courage of 2 degree”.

In the 44 year, punitive operations in the territory in Belarus were already carried out by 3 such police regiments as the 2 th Liepāja regiment, which operated throughout the Polotsk-Daugavpils railway, and the 1 th Riga volunteer regiment, which operated under Nevel. Punitive operations ended only in May 1944. For example, only in the village of Kobylniki, the Latvian fascists tortured and killed about 3000 civilians.



Latvian police regiments at the beginning of 1944, together with German and Estonian police battalions, took part in a large punitive operation against partisans near the village of Vetrino, located in the Polotsk district of Belarus. All the villages encountered on the road, punitive simply burned, and the people living in them, were shot. As Elizaveta Petrovna Kroman recalled, an eyewitness of the inhuman actions of the Latvian death legion and a resident of the Osvea district: “... I, like others, were arrested for allegedly contacting partisan formations and brought to Kushkis Alfred for questioning. Immediately after the interrogation, the inhabitants of our village (girls, old people, women and children), about 100 people drove like animals to two sheds, counting out 10 people, shoved people into them…. And the shooting began. After 100 was left from 10, among whom I was, they put us in 20 meters from the shed. Then set fire to the barn .... The fire burned human flesh - screams, groans, pleas for help .... Together with the barns, all residents burned ... ”

In August, 1943, the 43 th rifle regiment of the 19 SS division, exterminated the 15 prisoners of the 65 th guards rifle regiment, who were captured in the Latvian village of Bobryni.

In battles against partisans near the village of Osveya in February 1943.g.


According to a special report by the head of the SMERSH counterintelligence department (2 of the Baltic Front) “On the outrages of the fascists and their Latvian accomplices on Soviet prisoners of war”: “On the night of August 6 of the 65th Guards Rifle Regiment of the 22th Guards Rifle Division of the unit’s unproductive inspiration section. . The Germans with Latvians from the SS division were able to bypass the military guards order, to attack them from the rear, cutting off a small group of Soviet military from their units. An 43 man was injured. German bastards, capturing prisoners, staged a massacre on them. Captured fighters, they gouged out their eyes, inflicted multiple knife wounds, cut out the stars on their foreheads, twisted arms and legs, kicked out their teeth with their boots. None of the wounded, who were captured by the Germans and the Latvian fascists, could not escape the painful humiliation and torture. According to the data that has become available today, the brutal massacre of wounded Soviet officers and soldiers were made by nonhumans of the 43 Infantry Regiment belonging to the 19 of the Latvian SS group divisions. ”

This fact was confirmed at the court hearing of the Nuremberg Tribunal. As a result of the investigation, it was established that the practice of shooting unarmed prisoners was a common occurrence in the SS divisions, which most directly affected, including the Latvian divisions.

Bangerskis and Janums. Bardo-Kudever 8.6.1944


At the end of July, 44, with its offensive, Soviet forces forced the group North, which included Latvian divisions of 2, to continue their retreat to the west. Only in October of 44, the city of Riga was liberated by Soviet soldiers. Until the German capitulation, the German group, which included the 19-I Latvian division, continued to hold positions in Kurland. The legionnaires who got into the Kurland boiler were able to disarm the soldiers of the Soviet army. In Berlin, the last 1945-I Latvian division was defeated in Berlin in April 15, the scattered units of which surrendered to the American and Soviet troops.

Latvian Legion in Belarus: a bloody trace (Belarus) 2011 year

The film tells about the tragedy of the Belarusian-Latvian borderlands - the sweep of the north of Belarus under the "Great Latvia". Old people of Rositsy, Braslavshchiny, historians, priests testify. Terrible история from the recent past that you need to know so that it never happens again.

Combat Path Division:
- In February and March of the 1944 of the year, the soldiers of the Latvian SS division destroyed 138 villages in the Vitebsk region of Belarus, killed 17 thousands of people and hijacked 13 thousands more to Germany.
- Soldiers of the Latvian SS divisions participated in the brutal killings of captured Soviet soldiers, including women.
- The division took direct part in punitive actions against Soviet citizens in the territories of the Leningrad and Novgorod regions. In 1943, units of the division participated in punitive operations against Soviet partisans in the districts of the cities of Nevel, Opochka and Pskov (in 3 km from Pskov, 560 people were shot by them).

In 1942, the Latvian civil administration, in order to help the Wehrmacht, proposed to the German side to create on a voluntary basis armed forces with a total number of 100 thousand people with the condition of recognition of independence after Latvia after the end of the war. Hitler rejected this offer. However, the growing need for manpower forced the Nazi leadership to change their attitude towards participation in the war of the Baltic peoples.

About 30 thousands of Latvian soldiers became prisoners of war of the Western allies, surrendering to them after the surrender of Germany. Latvian organizations managed to convince the allies that Latvian legionaries should be considered as citizens of independent Latvia who were illegally drafted for military service. Therefore, contrary to the protests of the Soviet Union [source not indicated 787 days], they were released and later received permission to emigrate to the United Kingdom, the United States and other Western countries. Many of them served as workers and assistant guards in the armed forces of the United States and Great Britain, stationed in Germany.

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  1. heruv1me
    heruv1me 10 July 2012 08: 37
    +27
    A people with such values ​​has no future.
    1. vadimus
      vadimus 10 July 2012 08: 48
      +30
      Yes, this is not the people. Something like sticky fish. Or a brutal monkey copying his master. The problem is that this curvature sometimes becomes more severe than the pattern. There has long been no confrontation between us and the Germans, monkeys still can’t calm down and continue to grimace ...
      1. chistii20
        chistii20 10 July 2012 09: 19
        +21
        Quote: vadimus

        Yes, this is not the people. Something like sticky fish.

        Worse. It's an abomination itself.
        Quote: heruv1me

        A people with such values ​​has no future.

        I fully support you
      2. Lech e-mine
        Lech e-mine 10 July 2012 18: 46
        +2
        In the fall and 1943, the 25th police battalion and company of Lidums were sent to carry out punitive operations against Soviet partisans in the Pripyat swamps (Belarus). The 18th police battalion distinguished itself with special atrocities on Belarusian soil. For the “feats” of 73 of the most “active” punitive of this battalion were awarded the chief of the SS and the police of Belarus medal “For Courage of the 2nd degree for representatives of the eastern peoples”.

        In 1944, three police regiments carried out punitive operations in Belarus. The 1st Riga Volunteer Regiment operated near Nevel, the 2nd Liepaja Regiment - along the Daugavpils - Polotsk railway. Punitive operations took place until the end of May 1944. The 3rd Cesis regiment destroyed, judging by its military magazines, "the forces of terrorists, estimated at about 20000 people." Only in the village of Kobylniki, according to eyewitnesses, about 3 thousand civilians were killed.
      3. mihasik
        mihasik 15 July 2012 02: 45
        -1
        I do not agree! In every nation there are Theirs happens more or less in relation to the situation. I served with the Latvians in 1988-1990, if it weren’t for them, the chocks in our Soviet Army would have beaten me a long time ago (we had fraternity and more chocks) We were like brothers with the Latvians, they fought for each other like in war!
        1. Alex
          Alex 5 July 2014 00: 55
          +2
          Quote: mihasik
          I served with the Latvians in 1988-1990, if it weren’t for them, the chocks in our Soviet Army would have beaten me for a long time (we had fraternity and more chocks) We were like brothers with the Latvians, they fought for each other like in war!

          I wonder where are they now? Now, when one word "Russian" is already a feat? And why are they not fighting for the preservation of the monuments and graves of Soviet soldiers? Or now, when there are no chocks, can you remember your "Europeanness"?
    2. foxstrat89
      foxstrat89 10 July 2012 09: 51
      +14
      Why don't they bill for the mass extermination of civilians?
      1. Lech e-mine
        Lech e-mine 10 July 2012 18: 46
        0
        In early March 1944, the Latvian police regiments, together with about 20 Estonian and German police battalions, participated in a large punitive operation against partisans in the area of ​​the city of Vetrino (Belarus). The remaining Belarusian villages, punishers, who were left in that area, were burned, and the inhabitants were shot.

        From August to December 1943, police battalion 282-A participated in a punitive expedition in Lithuania and Poland with the aim of destroying partisans and hijacking young people to forced labor in Germany. The 316th battalion of the 2nd Liepaja Police Regiment also participated in punitive expeditions against partisans in Poland and Latvia (Appendix 6).

        The 278th police battalion (Dobelsky) was located in Poland, where he also scoured forests and villages with the assistance of aviation in order to detect people fighting against the Nazi invaders. (Appendix 7).

        Latvian brigades and SS divisions also participated in punitive operations. So, in 1942, the 2nd Latvian brigade of the SS burned down the village of Fedorovka in the Chudsky district of the Novgorod region and the village of Osino. In addition, brigade personnel carried out mass arson and executions in the settlements of Lubnitsy, Osets, Krechno, 60 km away. northwest of Novgorod, as well as in a prisoner of war camp in Krasnoye Selo near Leningrad. In the 15th division, V. Arais served as the Sturmbannführer.

        The 19th Latvian SS division, in addition to its general functions on the Eastern Front, performed the following tasks: the struggle against Soviet partisans in the rear areas of German troops; raids on civilians suspected of helping partisans; the destruction of peaceful Soviet citizens; confiscation of livestock, grain, foodstuffs from the population; burning of settlements. Basically, these tasks were carried out by the company of the police gendarmerie, organizationally part of the 19th Latvian SS division, but often the personnel of other combat units and units of the formation were also involved in their solution.
    3. itr
      itr 10 July 2012 09: 55
      +8
      Are there any photographs where these knights are kneeling and asking for mercy?
      1. chistii20
        chistii20 10 July 2012 10: 41
        +4
        Quote: itr

        Are there any photographs where these knights are kneeling and asking for mercy?

        Unfortunately I searched but found nothing but I would like to see
      2. Норд
        Норд 10 July 2012 10: 47
        +18
        Something I have never seen mentions of stamina and military prowess on the battlefields of all these Chukhon Waffens. But how to wipe defenseless villages off the face of the earth and burn old people and children alive, so here they are, yes, "heroes". Vile and cowardly brutes, whom even the West has recognized as criminals. A "worthy" role model for the enlightened and well, very democratic Balts. Or maybe it's good that they are now true Gayropeans - quickly drown in their own guano.
        1. Alex
          Alex 5 July 2014 01: 01
          +2
          Quote: Nord
          Something I have never seen mentions of stamina and military prowess on the battlefields of all these Chukhon Waffens. But how to wipe defenseless villages off the face of the earth and burn old people and children alive, so here they are, yes, "heroes".

          So it is quite natural. It is typical for people suffering from impaired mental development to raise self-esteem by humiliating others. People developed harmoniously raise their self-esteem through self-improvement.
          This is to the fact that a normal person will never have a feeling of pleasure, not just committing - even the contemplation of cruelty and murder. A normal person is capable of killing, but only within the framework of the necessary: ​​war, protection of himself or the weaker. But any manifestation of sadism is simply unacceptable to him. This is not what I came up with, this is science.

          Now it’s clear who is the hero and who is just the crazy sadist.
    4. Lech e-mine
      Lech e-mine 10 July 2012 18: 44
      0
      Units of the Latvian Legion were directly involved in the operation "Winter Magic", carried out from February 15 to the beginning of April 1943 and more commonly known as the Osveisk tragedy. The aim of the operation was to create a neutral zone 40 km wide. between Drissa in the south, Zilupe and Smolnatal in the north and encompassed the region of Osweya - Drissa - Polotsk - Sebezh - Rasson (Belarus, Russia). This strip of land without residents and settlements was supposed to deprive the partisans of their strongholds. The operation, which was personally led by SS Obergruppenführer F. Jekeln, was attended by 7 Latvian battalions, one Ukrainian company and one Lithuanian company. In addition, they were given special units. The total number was approximately 4000 people.

      According to archives, the operation unfolded as follows: upon entering the village, police and dowry units of the SD shot everyone who could be suspected of belonging to partisans (almost all male residents aged 16 to 50 years were considered such), as well as old people and disabled people who could not afford the long walking march. The rest - mainly women with children - went on foot to the place of the so-called “second lock”. Those whose forces refused along the way were shot. From prefabricated camps, people were sent to other camps, for example, to Salaspils near Riga, where women were separated from their children and sent to work in Germany.

      In total, several hundred villages were destroyed, among them those where there were up to a thousand or more inhabitants. The Executioners. Military History Journal No. 6. 1990. p.32. Only in Osveysky district alone 183 villages were burned, 11383 people were shot and burned (of them 2118 children under the age of 12 years), 14175 residents were taken to work - adults to Germany, children to the Salaspils concentration camp (Appendix 5). Justice of Germany classified Operation Winter Magic as a crime against humanity.
      1. Lech e-mine
        Lech e-mine 10 July 2012 19: 04
        +2
        honestly, all this reminds me of the Latvian red shooters - the same handwriting.
    5. nnz226
      nnz226 10 July 2012 19: 14
      +4
      when these tribes became "people" ??? While being part of the Russian Empire after the 18th century ?! so the Russian savages did something similar to the people, it turned out - they did not finish it, the non-people showed themselves during the War. Before the Russians, under the rule of the Germans and other "civilizers", the local trash was the top of his career to become a swineherd or a sewer operator. For "geniuses" - to become a groom. It was necessary to keep them at that level, so that now they would not consider themselves "effropeytsii". And then megalomania is generally poorly treated ...
    6. biglow
      biglow 10 July 2012 21: 13
      +3
      they already have no future, they have demographically slipped to the pre-war level and the population continues to leave actively, there are those who either do not want to work or cannot. Another 20 will have a place in the museum for Latvians
    7. es.d
      es.d 15 July 2012 14: 17
      0
      Where are the Jews? Where is Simon Wiesenthal?
    8. queenta
      queenta April 13 2014 19: 43
      0
      http://obozrevatel.org/post/11apr2014/history/29-zverstva-sovetskoy-armii-v-evro
      pe.html
  2. Deniska999
    Deniska999 10 July 2012 08: 45
    +7
    And in Latvia they are praised, the liberators, apparently the Latvians liked it under fascist oppression.
    1. Valentin80
      Valentin80 10 July 2012 17: 08
      +6
      And they talk in kindergarten about who is the defender of the homeland in the form of Nazi Germany. Their this Nazism, this syndrome of small nations, is trying to bite the weak, torn apart and wounded. This has happened more than once, Russia needs to talk to them from a position of strength, and not fawn on the Baltic countries. They talk about compensation for the "occupation", in response to invoice for the built factories, ports, housing and so on. As V.I. Lenin, when the Entente issued an invoice to Soviet Russia, received in return a calculation for the cities, villages, etc.
      1. Lech e-mine
        Lech e-mine 10 July 2012 18: 50
        +2
        From the special report of the head of the Counterintelligence Directorate “SMERSH” of the 2nd Baltic Front of August 18, 1944 “On the bullying of the Germans and their accomplices from the Latvian SS units over Soviet prisoners of war”.

        “On the night of August 6 this year 65 Guards Rifle Regiment of the 22 Guards Rifle Division in the area of ​​the village of Bobryni (Latvian SSR) conducted an offensive operation. The Germans and Latvians from the SS division bypassed the military formations of the guards, attacked them from the rear and cut off a small group of Soviet soldiers and officers from their units. At the same time, during the battle, 43 soldiers and commanders were wounded from the group, who, due to the difficult situation, could not be evacuated and were captured by the Germans.

        Capturing the prisoners, the German bastards staged a bloody reprisal against them.

        Private Karaulov N.K., Junior Sergeant Korsakov Y.P. and Guard Lieutenant Bogdanov E.R. Germans and traitors from the Latvian SS units gouged out their eyes and stabbed in many places.

        They cut out the stars on the forehead to the lieutenants Kaganovich and Cosmin, twisted their legs and knocked out their teeth with boots.

        The medical instructor Sukhanova A.A. and the other three nurses cut their breasts, twisted their legs and arms, and inflicted many stab wounds.

        Private soldiers Egorov F.E., Satybatynov, Antonenko A.N., Plotnikov P. and foreman Afanasyev were brutally tortured.

        None of the wounded, captured by the Germans and Nazis from Latvians, did not escape torture and painful bullying.

        According to reports, the brutal massacre of wounded Soviet soldiers and officers was carried out by soldiers and officers of one of the battalions of the 43rd Infantry Regiment of the 19th Latvian SS Division. ” // Central archive of the FSB.
    2. Lech e-mine
      Lech e-mine 10 July 2012 18: 49
      +2
      From a special report on the arrest of Kushkis Alfred-August by the Smersh department: “... An eyewitness to the atrocities of the members of this legion (Latvian) Kroman Elizaveta Petrovna testifies to Kushkis’s activities in the punitive expedition (in Osveisky district):“ ... February 17, like many others were arrested for contact with the partisans and brought me to Kushkis Alfred, who interrogated me. After interrogation, all the inhabitants of our village - old people, girls, children and women (about 100 people in total) were driven to two sheds next to each other, and ten people began to be counted, driven into a barn and shot. When there were about ten people left, including me, we were put about 20 meters from the barn. They set fire to the barn, and from there came the cries of people locked up there, still not finished. Everyone burned down along with the sheds ... ”// Central Archive of the FSB ..
      1. jokes
        jokes 10 July 2012 19: 13
        +4
        Here it is all over the face of American democracy. They worship scum, murderers, monsters and traitors. And their army is exactly the same now. And the whole Baltic, as a prostitute, serves those who pay her.
    3. Bosk
      Bosk 15 July 2012 22: 54
      0
      They don’t glorify and PR, at the level of simple people, Latvians circumvent this topic, they don’t like to talk about this moment of their history. there was a Latvian division which freed Latvia from the Nmts and many, many other good points.
  3. AIvanA
    AIvanA 10 July 2012 09: 00
    +11
    And what has changed in our time, before, in good faith served with zeal the German fascists, now the Anglo-American, for a small enemy it makes no difference because of whose foot they bite.
  4. Sakhalininsk
    Sakhalininsk 10 July 2012 09: 03
    +23
    These creatures are worse than rabid animals, and those who revere these non-humans are worthy of what was applied to these "fighters for democratic values" in the USSR.
    Residents of Chuhnia and Courland can howl about the bloody Gabe as much as they like, but in the end they must remember that the Russians never just leave and for troubled periods Russia always had years of returning what was lost, and there was no statute of limitations for fascist criminals.
    1. foxhaund31
      foxhaund31 10 July 2012 09: 10
      +5
      Sakhalin, I agree with you how much the rope does not curl, and the end will be.
    2. chistii20
      chistii20 10 July 2012 09: 21
      +3
      Sakhalininsk,
      Agree to all 100
    3. AIvanA
      AIvanA 11 July 2012 07: 52
      0
      And Europe supports, although not publicly, these "democratic" values, so it is worth considering the sanity of European leaders.
  5. kotdavin4i
    kotdavin4i 10 July 2012 09: 30
    +7
    one word NOT PEOPLE ... and after that they still make some claims to Russia ...
  6. tank64rus
    tank64rus 10 July 2012 09: 30
    +11
    The thief should be in prison, and the bandit should lie in the ground. And the SS there were extolled too humane, Stalin was to Hitler’s last, now they climbed out.
  7. foxhaund31
    foxhaund31 10 July 2012 09: 32
    +7
    To the heading of the article. The symbol of the Third Reich was not a swastika, but a highgen Kreuz-spider cross, a distinctive sign of the Wehrmacht was the Celtic cross.
    Swastika - heavenly run, Swa-heaven (WEDD-heavenly act of the gods), tick-run (tick-run). This international symbol is most widespread in India, China, Tibet, Central Asia, but the swastika symbols are most widespread in Russia. The fascist symbol was a bundle of sixteen bandaged fascine arrows (bunch).
  8. Yoshkin Kot
    Yoshkin Kot 10 July 2012 09: 47
    +4
    who cares? Well, call it differently? another 300 years it will be a symbol of that war!
    1. kotdavin4i
      kotdavin4i 10 July 2012 10: 03
      +2
      Indeed, the fascists spoiled - in general, that is an ordinary symbol ...
  9. Professor
    Professor 10 July 2012 10: 21
    +11
    I do not understand why they were not killed during the liberation of the Baltic states and the rest of Europe? And now there would simply be no one to march ...
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 10 July 2012 11: 44
      +9
      Quote: Professor
      I do not understand why they were not killed during the liberation of the Baltic states and the rest of Europe?

      And this is because the Stalinist regime was very bloodthirsty. And you, the modern man, are proposing this. And this is in the 21st century! Ay-yay. As it’s not democratic, not tolerant. Is it possible with these ... non-Germans , non-European, real ... non-human ... to act?
  10. LION
    LION 10 July 2012 10: 34
    +6
    Latvia wants to review the results of the Second World War. Let's show it.
  11. cth; fyn
    cth; fyn 10 July 2012 10: 34
    +6
    That would take and write off missiles on them according to START-3 so that they would not be wasted.
    1. Petrucho
      Petrucho 10 July 2012 10: 52
      +9
      Thank you very much for Ratsuha! And let me ask you, do you have such missiles that fall only in people of a certain nationality? If yes, then apparently more than 600 Russians in Latvia and I can not worry among them .....
  12. LION
    LION 10 July 2012 10: 42
    +7
    In general, I began to notice that there was a kind of "romanticization" of the Wehrmacht and the SS in particular. They say they fought by skill, not numbers. They say they are all such ordnung and their tanks are mighty. And so we - Ivans showered them with bast shoes. The victims of executions and genocide fade into the background. On the first - "super army" with "super weapons". It's disgusting. It seems to me that I am not alone.
    1. Lech e-mine
      Lech e-mine 10 July 2012 17: 11
      +5
      all SS is waiting for such an end - A NEW SS from the Baltic States in particular.
    2. Bosk
      Bosk 15 July 2012 23: 00
      +1
      These skilled workers reached Moscow on old boxes and fled on fancy Tigers and Ferdinand .....
  13. Khan93
    Khan93 10 July 2012 10: 42
    +8
    Inhumans, like other fascists. And what kind of heroes can be exalted to the level of heroes ?! Only if modern fascists and extol, not otherwise. A normal person will never praise these pigs. Praise be to our ancestors, who saved our Earth from this scum, and it is sad that now the movements of nationalists and fascists are being reborn. Well, nothing was nailed into the coffin of the fascist critters once and not weakly the second time ...
    1. LION
      LION 10 July 2012 10: 55
      +3
      Still praised. In books, movies, doc. films, the press. Not explicitly, but persistently.
      1. revnagan
        revnagan 10 July 2012 11: 47
        +3
        Quote: LION
        Still praised. In books, movies, doc. films, the press. Not explicitly, but persistently.

        And at the same time, the European Union, as it were, does not notice it ... So, they shyly hide their eyes, but they are silent. It is still insulting that the Ivanes bent them, civilized.
        1. Pushkar
          Pushkar 13 July 2012 20: 46
          0
          revnagan, And which of this European Union did not fight against us then? And now a friend to us? The raven will not peck out the crow.
      2. Bosk
        Bosk 15 July 2012 23: 06
        +1
        Well, the fact that they themselves are to blame for the glory ... remember our films about the war, as wilm is so a drama, it always seems that they barely won, although in fact, from the 43rd year of such a wick, the Germans were inserted that the mother was incorrigible.
    2. Lech e-mine
      Lech e-mine 10 July 2012 17: 15
      +8
      NOT THAT ARE ALREADY SS AND BRAVY IF THERE ARE GOOD TO PRESS THEY IMMEDIATELY BECOME
  14. Svetoyar
    Svetoyar 10 July 2012 11: 09
    -13
    It is impossible and wrong to approach history so odiously and biasedly. Especially in the political and ideological aspect. Some Soviet, post-Soviet and today's liberoid ones that have got their teeth sore, cliches and cliches. Both parties were more atrocious with interest, since the entire Second World War was a war of ideologies. As a Russian, I understand one thing - that the negative attitude of the Baltic states and other peoples of Europe towards the communist regime and occupation is true and correct, but with its own national specifics. . We, the Russian people, need to understand and fully understand the fact that our Russia was the first to fall victim to the foreign anti-Russian Bolshevik-communist occupation, which claimed the lives of millions of our compatriots, many of whom, with arms in their hands, fought to the end with it .. And you must understand the fact that the Baltic states. and the peoples of Eastern Europe, do not identify the Russian people with the communist regime, but talk about the anti-human system, grinding in its terrible millstones, all peoples who fell under its dependence, including primarily the Russian people. Is the dust of our ancestors ruined by this most terrible beast in the history of mankind not knocking in our hearts? After all, there will not be a single person, primarily a Russian, in whom no one died from the monstrous communist moloch, especially in the twenties and thirties ... Who is honest, he will not deny this.
    1. ZuluS
      ZuluS 10 July 2012 17: 50
      -15
      Well done Svetoyar! You see at the root !!!
      1. zadorin1974
        zadorin1974 10 July 2012 19: 47
        +3
        it’s a pity that you live far away (MY grandfather was in BERLIN) -you hid in the woods and how a bitch shot from the bushes?
        1. ZuluS
          ZuluS 10 July 2012 20: 23
          -8
          Yes, he was hiding in the woods with Kovpak and shot the Germans from the bushes! How is he worse than yours? And if I lived nearby, you would regret stronger !!!! laughing
    2. zadorin1974
      zadorin1974 10 July 2012 19: 45
      +3
      if you are Russian - then you just scum - to prove atrocities justifying real fascism if stray - you from our country - may be lucky to remain crippled for such nonsense. kills under the slogan of purity race
      1. Nu daaaa ...
        Nu daaaa ... 10 July 2012 19: 59
        -10
        And what is not satisfied? Who started all this, ah? The Republic of Estonia began the year 40 Russians kill, clamp and deport Russians in Russia? Or, all the same, the NKVD began in Estonia. What goes around comes around? And I HATE THOSE WHO JUSTIFY KILLERS and SHOWERS — worse than small-grass CREWS who try to justify that SCRUB that cuts, kills classes under the slogan of purity. Especially if they annex my state. (If you don't like the term occupation)
        1. Pancho
          Pancho 10 July 2012 20: 42
          +3
          The Estonians had to help Yudenich in 1918, and not hit him in the back. Sow the wind, reap the storm. And how glad I am that the NKVD got the Latvians! At least some answer for the Latvian shooters.
          1. Nu daaaa ...
            Nu daaaa ... 10 July 2012 21: 18
            -1
            Help. Poka rukovodstvo severo-zapanoi armij objavil, chto nikakoi Estonskoi Respubliki ne budet. Potom ne videli smysla.
          2. Bosk
            Bosk 15 July 2012 23: 11
            0
            The NKVD sent untrustworthy Latvians to explore Siberia, but the Russians who donated here in Latvia after the revolution immediately put it to the wall ................... so it still needs to be figured out to whom and how it got.
        2. Ottofonfenhel
          Ottofonfenhel 14 July 2012 21: 23
          0
          I’m thinking that if Vanya the Terrible knew that he would save Latvians and Estonians during the war with the Swedes? After all, 80% of Latvians in the 16th century were pagans, the remaining 20 were forcibly baptized, then the Swedes treated them like cattle, slaughtered entire settlements In general, you bastards do not remember the good, that’s what I’ll tell you.
    3. AIvanA
      AIvanA 11 July 2012 08: 08
      +2
      Svyatoyar, the name is good, but as you read it, it becomes so sad, you write about Stalinist millstones, about dislike of Russia after the war, I like your naivety, Europe always hated Russia and others, look into historical chronicle, and justify fascism as a means of struggle with communism, it’s not fair with respect to their ancestors who died in the last great war, but on the stamps and clichés, the Europeans have no equal either, after all, the collapse of our country began with dusting our heads with ashes, with Yeltsin’s apologies for ours destroyed cities, for the people killed by enlightened Europeans, how many Jews were killed? so the Holocaust extermination, and how many Slavs declared fascist enlightenment non-people destroyed? Be honest with your ancestors. Europe has never been the peace of honor and peace for us; all the most terrible wars came from enlightened Europe.
    4. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 11 July 2012 22: 58
      +3
      imagine not one! grandfather served in the NKVD, his brother was a polar pilot, or rather the flight mechanic flew with the Hero of the Soviet Union P. Ovchinnikov, but my great-grandfather died in the blockade and my grandfather’s sister just served my country and didn’t harm her
    5. Pushkar
      Pushkar 13 July 2012 20: 52
      +1
      Svetoyar,
      Source - Goebbels? Go to the good Natsik and be a non-citizen with them, who's stopping you.
    6. Midshipman
      Midshipman 14 July 2012 00: 05
      +2
      I support, for a rating it is not great of course, but not to hide the same language in the ass.
  15. atos_kin
    atos_kin 10 July 2012 11: 20
    +8
    I look forward to when Russia will react harshly (not in words, at least economically) to any attempts to heroize the disadvantages.
    1. Saqartvelo
      Saqartvelo 10 July 2012 11: 28
      -17
      In your opinion, how should the Russian Federation respond? :)
      Latvia is their state, whom they want to proclaim as a hero, what is the matter of Russia?
      Over there the Russians, even Akhmed Kadyrov, together with "beloved son" Ramzan, are heroes of Russia, and nothing, no one is outraged.
      Wouldn't it be better to deal with your own "heroes" first, eh?
      1. Rebus
        Rebus 10 July 2012 11: 47
        +10
        Quote: Saqartvelo

        In your opinion, how should the Russian Federation respond?

        In your case, the Russian Federation reacted, and very effective ... So all that remains for you is to eat your ties. Although Saakashvili needed to be hanged, well, we’ll get nothing of this fascist. am
        1. Saqartvelo
          Saqartvelo 10 July 2012 12: 10
          -21
          Rebus,
          1) i.e. if I understand you correctly, do you propose to bomb Latvia, at the same time kill civilians, rob everything and everything that falls into your hands, arrange ethnic cleansing and finally occupy 18% of the territory of Latvia, like Georgia?
          And then you will still yell (as now) about the "fascist" Latvians (Estonians, Lithuanians, Georgians, etc.) who sleep and see how to annoy Russia, right?
          2) You won’t get to anyone, it would be possible to get to it in 2008, but then you weren’t allowed by some of the overseas who are very afraid in the Kremlin, and they won’t.
          3) Aga Saakashvili, a "fascist" who stuck up his homeland, and Putin, who organized ethnic cleansing in Georgia, is white and fluffy.
          Let us introduce a new definition: all those who are against the Russian imperialism fascists.

          P.S. As for Latyshev, they probably understood well what awaited them after the second occupation, like 1940. that's why they fought so desperately against the USSR.
          And why did you earn such hatred from them in just a year (1940-1941), you should ask yourself and maybe then you will be able to build normal relations with neighbors.
          1. Zhaman-Urus
            Zhaman-Urus 10 July 2012 12: 29
            +13
            And what is the "fought desperately" in the burning of Jews in the synagogue or sending women to concentration camps? I see you have been brainwashed to the point of complete withering away and it is useless to argue with you, but all the same, at least sometimes try to think and not find fault with everything Russian and not praise everyone who is against Russia.
            1. Odious
              Odious 10 July 2012 14: 49
              +7
              And once it was a monument to all Georgians who died in the Second World War.


              Zhaman-Urus
              What do you want from him. Now he will name 100 and 1 reason for which it was necessary to demolish it.
              1. Saqartvelo
                Saqartvelo 10 July 2012 15: 18
                -16
                I will not name a single reason, because this is our business and it doesn’t concern you, you will remember the condition in which there are thousands of monuments dedicated to the victims of WWII in Russia, maybe you should not poke your nose in the internal affairs of a neighboring state and deal with thousands of memorials that are half-destroyed and dilapidated Monuments throughout the Russian Federation?
                1. Odious
                  Odious 10 July 2012 17: 01
                  +9
                  You respected flag please pay attention!
                  For the Russian Federation, I have nothing to do (except that indirect).
                  And as for your tirade, I’ll answer this way: there are enough woodpeckers destroying the monuments to those killed in the Great Patriotic War and it hurts me, all the other woodpeckers that are similar to those who hunt (including the Georgian ones) also touch me.
                  And if you do not want to poke your nose into other people's affairs and do not advise others - sit on the Georgian website and communicate with compatriots.
                  1. Saqartvelo
                    Saqartvelo 10 July 2012 18: 41
                    -3
                    The flag does not matter, you reason as a typical Russian imperialist, so whether it is tricolor or not is not important on the avatar.
                    1. ZuluS
                      ZuluS 10 July 2012 19: 09
                      0
                      For some, this is enough !!! laughing
                      1. zadorin1974
                        zadorin1974 10 July 2012 20: 24
                        +1
                        Will UKRAINE survive without Russia? or will amers feed you?
                      2. ZuluS
                        ZuluS 10 July 2012 21: 26
                        -8
                        Ukraine will feed itself and still remain for sale !!! The main thing is that all kinds of idiots should not go in with their advice and desire to help, and there we will deal with both our corruption and the authorities !!! And something tells me that very soon !!!
                      3. AIvanA
                        AIvanA 11 July 2012 08: 36
                        0
                        Yes, it’s clear how you have a Western woman there, forgive me for how many years I’ve been sorting it out, and someone always bothers you, then it looks out, but I feel that you’ll deal with the authorities once again, just like in a banana republic, there’s a showdown after showdown, and if as business goes as you say, then I feel from Ukraine at least two powers will work out.
                      4. ZuluS
                        ZuluS 11 July 2012 15: 16
                        0
                        I did not understand what you wanted to say about the zapadenschina, you got some kind of pun! request And about the power, laughing who is going to teach us? You cannot sort out your mess, but you are applying for a standard! I'll tell you about the two "Ukrainians", zaib ... swallow dust !!! As they say in Odessa, you can't wait !!! In Ukraine, there are much less external and internal prerequisites for this than in Russia, do you agree? I repeat, sort it out for a start, then you will give advice or criticize. They themselves have a naked ass, but still there!
                      5. biglow
                        biglow 11 July 2012 09: 27
                        +2
                        Yes, Ukraine feeds itself very much, Polish meat and fat are in the markets. Vegetables are half Turkish and this summer. You live in Denmark, you got a bloody regime. When did you last visit Ukraine or is it better to love your homeland from far away
                      6. ZuluS
                        ZuluS 11 July 2012 15: 44
                        0
                        Yes, we have a share of imports, like any other state, a WTO member, which Russia expects upon entry, by the way !!! BUT!!!! If anyone is interested, then look on the Internet how much and what Ukraine exports to Russia, milk, vegetables and fruits ...! Regarding cereals, I think no need to explain? In the harvest years, elevators are not enough, but they do not stop building !!! Meat production has begun to revive, at the government level, there are already results, the main thing is the beginning !!! And the process is going on !!! So choke on your poisonous saliva envious, everything will be fine with us !!! What sincerely and I wish you !!!
                        "What are you living in Denmark, you got a bloody regime. Na! You! Ukraine when was the last time or it is better to love your homeland from afar."
                        Apparently at school you studied poorly !!! Woodpecker, this is the Norwegian flag !!! And Ukraine is written with a capital letter! Find the remaining errors yourself. fool I'll be back home in a few days! My work is connected with constant trips, interesting and informative! Allowing you to look at many things from the side, with your own eyes! Ate?
                      7. Midshipman
                        Midshipman 14 July 2012 00: 25
                        +1
                        We heard these nonsense in the 90s, why haven’t you fed for 20 years? All poheril only. All tryndely that Ukraine feeds all of Russia, how much grain do you export now, eh? Current with a cap on the gas go, Svidomity unfinished. Few reptiles killed you after the war, fools, they didn’t arrange genocide. We don’t need to help you, you’re more important to try out less, so that you won’t go through the rink again.
                      8. ZuluS
                        ZuluS 14 July 2012 01: 43
                        +1
                        I don't understand what you are talking about? Whom do you mean when you say: "Few of you bastards killed after the war, fools ..."? What did the Ukrainians do to you to deserve so much negativity? Or simply there is nothing to say, but you want to, that's just one shit rushing? laughing
                        I answer your statement - "why haven't you fed for 20 years? You just fucked everything."
                        1. In Ukraine, 42 million hectares of land (69% of the territory) are suitable for agriculture.

                        2. 1/4 of the world and 1/3 of the European chernozem reserves fall into the country.

                        3. Ukraine's agriculture accounts for about 10% of the country's GDP and 95% provides the population with food, which is one of the highest rates in the world.

                        4. According to the UN, Ukraine closes the top three world leaders in the dynamics of agricultural production (after Brazil and Russia).

                        5. In 2008 capital investment in the industry amounted to a record 3,2 billion dollars. (7,2% of the total investment in the country)

                        6. Over the past 4-5 years, the investment attractiveness of the agricultural sector of Ukraine has increased significantly. According to the results of the “crisis” 2009 Ukrainian agriculture turned out to be the only type of economic activity where production growth was recorded (+ 0,1%).

                        7. Agriculture is one of the “protected” sectors - the most resistant to global economic fluctuations.
                        Already more than enough information on this topic! And yet, see how much and what Ukraine exports to Russia every year! It will shock you! fellow
                    2. zadorin1974
                      zadorin1974 10 July 2012 20: 22
                      +2
                      sometimes the question arises - why was Stalin not a real monster and did not destroy the Balts and Chechens?
                    3. biglow
                      biglow 10 July 2012 21: 19
                      +3
                      Saqartvelo Flag doesn’t matter, you reason as a typical Russian imperialist,
                      we are Russian people living in the lands of southeastern Russia. And Russian culture is one for us
                    4. AIvanA
                      AIvanA 11 July 2012 08: 31
                      +2
                      If the Russian were an imperialist, no one would have thought of free Georgia for a long time, and you won’t be supplied with weapons by the whole world, and you’re white, white, fluffy fluffy, and Russia doesn’t threaten with a fist, and Saakashvili’s vice spits on us regularly, but as they say it’s not awake while it’s quiet, well, God bless you judge.
                2. Uncle
                  Uncle 10 July 2012 23: 42
                  +1
                  In any case, the monument to Zurab Tsereteli in Moscow, dedicated to the friendship of our peoples, stands, and no one is thinking about demolition. But Georgia does not know how to bite Russia.
            2. Lech e-mine
              Lech e-mine 10 July 2012 17: 22
              +7
              Here they are the heroes of the Baltic states - executions executions and executions again.
              1. motors
                motors 11 July 2012 14: 11
                0
                Well, in the photo it is invisible that they were Latvians. I have already talked a lot about legionnaires and the fact is that there were subdivisions that were purely combat (Faffen SS) and punitive (Police battalions).

                I'm sorry to say that such a generalization is biased ..

                Izvianius for his Russian. He is not my good
                1. Lech e-mine
                  Lech e-mine 11 July 2012 18: 26
                  +1
                  And I speak your native Russian, these women were shot by Lithuanian police executioners.
                2. Pushkar
                  Pushkar 13 July 2012 21: 16
                  +1
                  And Arais and Tsukurs are not Latvians? And weren't the Waffen SSs built on the basis of police battalions? But in Bikirnieki, Salaspils nothing happened? And 300 concentration camps and shipments in Latvia were not?
            3. cool.ya-nikola
              cool.ya-nikola 12 July 2012 13: 36
              +1
              Dear Zhaman-Urus, let me point out that you are unfair to Mr. Tsinandali or whatever, claiming that he was "brainwashed". Well, you cannot be washed, something that does not exist and never happened! Unfortunately, this is a medical fact! wassat
          2. Rebus
            Rebus 10 July 2012 12: 36
            +11
            Quote: Saqartvelo
            Those. if I understand you correctly, do you propose to bomb Latvia, at the same time kill civilians, rob everything and everything that falls into your hands, arrange ethnic cleansing and finally occupy 18% of the territory of Latvia, like Georgia?
            And then you will still yell (as now) about the "fascist" Latvians (Estonians, Lithuanians, Georgians, etc.) who sleep and see how to annoy Russia, right?

            Yes, there was an ethnic cleansing, when the Georgian army began to fire from "Grad" installations a peaceful city. And shelling peacekeepers is generally an international crime. Read what your allies from the USA write about you http://perevodika.ru/articles/20878.html. As for the occupation, it simply did not exist, there was military assistance to friendly states. And we'll get to Latvia, everything has its time and place ... And if you (Georgia) don't like something, you can always declare war on Russia and proudly die, it will be more worthy than yapping from behind the fence, like a cowardly mongrel.
            1. Saqartvelo
              Saqartvelo 10 July 2012 12: 58
              -11
              Rebus,
              Goebbels nervously smokes on the sidelines.
              1. irkut2000
                irkut2000 10 July 2012 13: 55
                +9
                Before the squeamish Georgian propaganda, for sure.
              2. AIvanA
                AIvanA 11 July 2012 08: 39
                +1
                Goebbels has already left, at 45, Saakashvili is not yet.
              3. cool.ya-nikola
                cool.ya-nikola 12 July 2012 13: 39
                0
                And Sakakashvili is chewing underpants! wassat
          3. atos_kin
            atos_kin 10 July 2012 12: 37
            +8
            Do not worry, genocidal, there would be a desire, but Russia has experience how to crush fascist scum.
            1. Saqartvelo
              Saqartvelo 10 July 2012 12: 54
              -19
              Russia has experience of paying tribute to the "hot" guys from Chechnya, I have not heard of any other Russian experience.
              And Russia also has the experience of announcing heroes and murderers of many Russians, such as A. Kadyrov and his most intelligent son.
              In such "experiments" you will not be denied.

              PS is not "genotsvali" but genatsvale. wink
              1. atos_kin
                atos_kin 10 July 2012 13: 06
                +9
                Go to the library (I hope there were still books about the history of not the last 20 years, but a little deeper), read and ask around your war veterans. This will give you knowledge that is not distorted by the emotions of today's one-day trips.

                PS: Sorry, genatsvale, this is a Ukrainian accent.
                1. Saqartvelo
                  Saqartvelo 10 July 2012 13: 23
                  -9
                  My grandfather, my grandfather’s brothers, great-grandfather participated in WWII, and many more relatives, some of whom died or were missing.
                  So, I know firsthand about that war firsthand, and not from porpagandistic books or films.
                  However, the fact that the USSR occupied Latvia in 1940. is indisputable, and the fact that the Latvians had revenge for the Soviets is also a fact, so while you condemn them and declare them to be personification of evil, think that prompted them to such actions, and like the Red Army, the NKVD and other occupation forces behaved in Latvia in 1940- 1941
                  1. atos_kin
                    atos_kin 10 July 2012 13: 34
                    +5
                    Quote: Saqartvelo
                    what the Latvians had to take revenge for


                    I don’t think that your grandfathers call executions of old people, women and children acts of revenge.
                    1. Saqartvelo
                      Saqartvelo 10 July 2012 14: 03
                      -13
                      Just like, executions for political reasons, the eviction of tens of thousands of people from their homeland, the confiscation of property and the resettlement of a foreign element in the place of the repressed are not called "voluntary entry into the USSR", for Georgia was 19 years earlier in 1921. went the same way.
                      1. zadorin1974
                        zadorin1974 10 July 2012 20: 32
                        +5
                        when RUSSIA saved the Georgians from the massacre of the Turks - everyone voted to the praise of RUSSIA - when after the revolution Georgia was introduced into the USSR, the inhabitants of Georgia were doing well after 80 years how is the HISTORY MAIN IT IS NOT SHAME FOR ANYONE !!!!!!!!!!! !
                      2. Saqartvelo
                        Saqartvelo 10 July 2012 23: 06
                        -5
                        And when was this "salvation" from the Turks?
                  2. irkut2000
                    irkut2000 10 July 2012 13: 57
                    +7
                    Most likely your cousins ​​fought for Hitler.
                    The apple never falls far from the tree...
                    1. Saqartvelo
                      Saqartvelo 10 July 2012 14: 18
                      -13
                      All my relatives fought in the ranks of the USSR Armed Forces during WWII, except for one distant relative who served in the ranks of the "Georgia" legion of the Wehrmacht.
                      1. zadorin1974
                        zadorin1974 10 July 2012 20: 34
                        +1
                        YOU ARE NOTICABLE FASHION (TRUE SMALL-ROOM) am
                  3. Drappier
                    Drappier 10 July 2012 18: 08
                    +3
                    If it is in the plural, Latvia in nature did not exist until 91 years old, that you carry a pancake fool
                    1. Saqartvelo
                      Saqartvelo 10 July 2012 18: 39
                      -6
                      Sorry Russian is not native to me so ......
                      And as for 1991. It was? And in the years 1918-1940 what was on the territory of modern Latvia, huh?
                      But was Lithuania, Lithuania or not?
                      1. Drappier
                        Drappier 11 July 2012 18: 05
                        +2
                        Saqartvelo and Lithuania was, in the 12th century it was what and Latvia was not, there was the Livonian Order, Courland, Latgale but Latvia was not even kill laughing
                  4. Pancho
                    Pancho 10 July 2012 20: 56
                    +5
                    Quote: Saqartvelo
                    However, the fact that the USSR occupied Latvia in 1940

                    Maybe Saqartvelo isn’t in the know, but Stalin (Dzhugashvili) and Beria were at the helm. And there’s nothing to blame if the face is crooked. There is one, very big drawback among the Russians: - foreigners are allowed to power in their country. And then they also make excuses before any rabble. What are you teaching us a letter here? It’s in vain that Emperor Pavel saved your country from destruction, and then it also grew with lands conquered by Russian soldiers. And they reached the civilian territory to Tuapse and thanked them.
                    1. Saqartvelo
                      Saqartvelo 10 July 2012 22: 47
                      0
                      The trick is that there were no salvations, but according to Stalin and Beria, see below.
                      1. Pancho
                        Pancho 10 July 2012 23: 01
                        +1
                        Quote: Saqartvelo
                        The trick is that there were no salvations, but according to Stalin and Beria, see below.

                        How-it was not? You need to read the history. For example: "The Caucasian War" by V. Potto - a tsarist general, Saakashvili did not read. So he is not engaged. And that Stalin and Beria are not Georgians, is it written below about this? I'm too lazy to read.
                  5. Midshipman
                    Midshipman 14 July 2012 00: 43
                    0
                    Lies, not occupied. Learn the story. Legally, there was no occupation, there was a mutual assistance pact. And in general, you mocked mongrels, you seek all the truth ... Then the truth was one, however, as now - who is stronger is right. And he should touch the USSR, he won, then he is right, who does not agree, welcome to Russia. The losers, the Ottomans slept you, you were hiding with us, but right now you are bolder, well, for the time being.
              2. Rebus
                Rebus 10 July 2012 13: 09
                +12
                Quote: Saqartvelo

                Russia has experience of paying tribute to "hot" guys from Chechnya

                Chechen terrorists were trained and armed precisely in Georgia. Lies on you responsibility for the death of our soldiers.
                1. Saqartvelo
                  Saqartvelo 10 July 2012 13: 32
                  -14
                  Yes, of course, who would doubt it. I’ll tell you more, not only Chechen fighters, but also the Latvian SS fighters cited in the article, were prepared in Georgia and then, with the help of UFOs, they threw them to Latvia. yes
                  1. Rebus
                    Rebus 10 July 2012 13: 52
                    +8
                    Quote: Saqartvelo
                    Yes, of course, who would doubt it. I’ll tell you more, not only Chechen fighters, but also the Latvian SS fighters cited in the article, were prepared in Georgia and then, with the help of UFOs, they threw them to Latvia.

                    No need to be ironic, I just want to say that the modern politics of Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia and Georgia are identical or equal to the politics of fascism. True, in the Baltic states they went further than you, there, just like in the Third Reich, people are divided into a higher race (they have passports of citizens) and a lower race (they have passports of non-citizens) that are practically powerless. If this is not fascism, then what is the name of such a policy?
                    1. Saqartvelo
                      Saqartvelo 10 July 2012 14: 14
                      -7
                      Rebus,
                      You can answer without labels, propaganda and all sorts of caricatures, what will the current Georgian policy look like fascism?
                      Both in Latvia and Estonia (in Lithuania, citizenship has been granted to all), all non-citizens are given the opportunity to become citizens, they only have to go through certain procedures, but if a person does not defiantly learn the state language, does not comply with the laws of that state, and even if he does not perceive this state as he considers his homeland to be its temporary misunderstanding, then you are not surprised that the reaction to this from the state will be adequate.
                      1. Rebus
                        Rebus 10 July 2012 14: 36
                        +6
                        Quote: Saqartvelo
                        You can answer without labels, propaganda and all sorts of caricatures, what will the current Georgian policy look like fascism?

                        08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX. Operation "Clean Field" against South Ossetia was developed by Georgia together with employees of the company Military Professional Resources Incorporates. The purpose of this operation was to clean up the territory of South Ossetia from ethnic Ossetians. And so you do not say that this is Georgia’s self-defense against Russia, look at the chronology of events:
                        On the night of August 7-8, 2008, shelling of the territory of South Ossetia and the invasion of Georgian troops by it began.
                        The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation arrived in time to help the Ossetian people only in the evening of August 8, 2008.
                      2. Saqartvelo
                        Saqartvelo 10 July 2012 14: 54
                        -9
                        1) Where did you get such data not from NTV, ORT, etc. is it?
                        2) The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation were in the Tskhinvali region at least as early as August 06.08.2008, XNUMX. see an interview with the Russian edition of the officer of the RF Armed Forces (Denis Sidristy if I remember exactly) where he calls this date.
                        3) The shelling was not fired on the night of August 7-8, but at least on July 30.07.2008, XNUMX, after which Georgian villages in the region were bombed without interruption for a week. "peacekeepers" in front of television cameras announced that he did not control "Ossetians".
                        4) However, it turned out that another ethnic cleansing was arranged by the Russian Federation, and 28 thousand Georgian citizens became refugees, their houses were first looted and then burned (here you are the fascists of the 21st century).
                        5) About the unfulfilled peace treaty of 12.08.2008/XNUMX/XNUMX on the withdrawal of troops, I don’t even mention it, this is in Russia's tradition.
                        see Bismarck phrase about the price of an agreement with Russia

                        Although I understand that you still continue to believe the lies spread by the Kremlin, and don’t know that you don’t know what to lie, but because you are so arranged.
                      3. Rebus
                        Rebus 10 July 2012 15: 30
                        +6
                        Saqartvelo,
                        1) I do not watch television, there is enough Internet.
                        2) In Tskhinval on 06.08.2008/XNUMX/XNUMX. there were only Russian peacekeepers
                        3) Where did you get this information? Just give the facts, not propaganda, please post the link.
                        4) On the Georgian side, it was ethnic cleansing. Why shoot the city from hail? Moreover, heavy weapons were fired at the hospital, schools, and the base of Russian peacekeepers. When Georgian troops entered the city, they began to shoot civilians.
                        5) There was no peace treaty; there was a peace plan proposed by France. Russia withdrew troops from Georgia.

                        You will carefully study the chronology of events on independent, non-Georgian, non-Russian, sites. Read documents, not Saakoshvilli propaganda statements
                      4. Saqartvelo
                        Saqartvelo 10 July 2012 16: 08
                        -8
                        Rebus
                        Russia withdrew troops from Georgia.
                        belay

                        There is no point in discussing with you.
                      5. Rebus
                        Rebus 10 July 2012 16: 18
                        +7
                        Quote: Saqartvelo
                        Russia withdrew troops from Georgia.

                        There is no point in discussing with you.

                        Russian troops are on the territory of the independent states of the Republic of South Ossetia and the Republic of Abkhazia, but there are no Russian troops on the territory of Georgia
                      6. Lech e-mine
                        Lech e-mine 10 July 2012 17: 30
                        +8
                        I just can’t be silent anymore - no need to be respected, I perfectly remember the interview of the Ossetian girl and her aunt to the American TV channel, the host of this TV channel arranged a real show with a fart from the ass - do not be like him.
              3. AIvanA
                AIvanA 11 July 2012 08: 43
                +2
                Thanks to you, too, Russia has this experience, from you ... it flows into Chechnya and Dagestan, I told my time to everything, and the ganotsvali or the gene, in principle, flowed on the drum.
              4. cool.ya-nikola
                cool.ya-nikola 12 July 2012 13: 22
                0
                Yes, even khachapuri, darago! Anyway, this is not treated!
          4. Odious
            Odious 10 July 2012 14: 43
            +10
            , they should ask themselves and maybe then they will be able to build normal relations with their neighbors.

            It is simply amazing. belay
          5. antiaircrafter
            antiaircrafter 10 July 2012 14: 56
            +2
            Quote: Saqartvelo
            Putin has carried out ethnic cleansing in Georgia

            How many unarmed Georgians, women and children did Putin kill?
            1. Saqartvelo
              Saqartvelo 10 July 2012 15: 01
              -4
              224 only in 2008, not enough?
              1. antiaircrafter
                antiaircrafter 10 July 2012 15: 14
                +8
                Quote: Saqartvelo
                224 only in 2008, not enough?

                And all this by burning in barns and synagogues, by hanging in the squares and burying live? Or how?
                1. Saqartvelo
                  Saqartvelo 10 July 2012 15: 23
                  -2
                  Is it of great importance?
                  1. antiaircrafter
                    antiaircrafter 10 July 2012 15: 27
                    +6
                    Quote: Saqartvelo
                    Is it of great importance?

                    Of course, because not all victims of armed conflicts fall under the term "ethnic honor". Can you explain under what circumstances your citizens died?
                    1. Saqartvelo
                      Saqartvelo 10 July 2012 16: 04
                      0
                      224 Georgian civilians died mainly in two circumstances: 1) during the bombing (minority) 2) they were killed after the war in those settlements which were occupied by the RF Armed Forces (most), some were simply shot and some were fed first and then.
                      1. antiaircrafter
                        antiaircrafter 10 July 2012 16: 09
                        +5
                        Quote: Saqartvelo
                        1) during bombing

                        Why didn’t you evacuate them from the war zone? Do you have evidence that peaceful neighborhoods were bombed purposefully?
                        Quote: Saqartvelo
                        2) they were killed after the war

                        Is this confirmed by any investigations? Where is it published?
                      2. Saqartvelo
                        Saqartvelo 10 July 2012 16: 20
                        -3
                        1) Someone was evacuated, but someone didn’t have time, and the bombing was not only in the combat zone. I can’t say anything for certain whether it was purposeful or not, I didn’t sit in the pilot’s place, but bombed several places where there are no military men around there are no objects, as a result, civilians died.
                        2) Yes, it has been proven, published too, and with the Georgian side the international law enforcement organizations too, there are also lists and a detailed description of who was killed in what circumstances, besides the fact that the separatists had a goal to clear the Tskhinvali region from Georgians before the war they took shelter (e.g. E. Kokoity announced live that all the Georgians would clean the Tskhinvali region). You can find it on the Internet, I think it’s easy to find both the staff and the list.
                      3. antiaircrafter
                        antiaircrafter 10 July 2012 16: 32
                        +5
                        Quote: Saqartvelo
                        moreover, the bombing was not only in the war zone

                        It is entirely possible that dual-use infrastructure facilities were being destroyed.

                        Quote: Saqartvelo
                        Yes proven

                        Why were no formal complaints made? If presented - who is punished? International court proved genocide?
                      4. Saqartvelo
                        Saqartvelo 10 July 2012 17: 04
                        -3
                        They presented themselves, a lawsuit was filed, consideration in Strasbourg, genocide and ethnic cleansing are different things, Georgia is not in power to punish the guilty, or they are either in the occupied regions in the Russian Federation, but Russia itself does not have any will to punish them, although practically everything is by name known, and they themselves were not particularly hiding.
                      5. Rebus
                        Rebus 10 July 2012 17: 14
                        +3
                        Quote: Saqartvelo
                        They presented themselves, a lawsuit was also filed, an examination in Strasbourg, genocide and ethnic cleansing are different things, Georgia is not in power to punish the guilty, they are either in the occupied regions or in the Russian Federation, and Russia yourself do not have any will to punish them, although practical all are known and they themselves weren’t particularly hiding.

                        List, please show.
                      6. Lech e-mine
                        Lech e-mine 10 July 2012 17: 34
                        +4
                        Today, Georgia is a dictatorial state - SHEVARNADZE HAS RECOGNIZED IT. Following the logic of NATO and the USA, you can already introduce a no-fly zone and send freedom fighters with modern weapons to you.
                      7. Saqartvelo
                        Saqartvelo 10 July 2012 18: 35
                        -1
                        The very fact that Shevardnadze "recognized" Georgia as a dictatorial state and, at the same time, continues to live in Georgia quietly and peacefully, and no one is interested in him, denies what the old senile said. wink
                      8. Lech e-mine
                        Lech e-mine 10 July 2012 18: 55
                        +1
                        SHEVARNADZE enjoys the patronage of the US State Department and Saakashvili’s gut is touched by a finger.
                      9. Saqartvelo
                        Saqartvelo 10 July 2012 19: 13
                        -4
                        Oh, but of course you can do without the State Department, and here they are guilty.
                      10. Lech e-mine
                        Lech e-mine 11 July 2012 04: 22
                        0
                        Yeah, you are amazingly clever.
                      11. AIvanA
                        AIvanA 11 July 2012 09: 38
                        +2
                        They are not to blame, the Jews are to blame, but about Shevardnadze, because this one, as you called him there, shamed Russia more than your current Misha, he already quietly put up a monument in the states.
                      12. antiaircrafter
                        antiaircrafter 10 July 2012 18: 08
                        +2
                        Quote: Saqartvelo
                        go examination in Strasbourg

                        That's when the court will establish this, then we can talk about ethnic cleansing, but for now this is only your opinion and no more.
                        Quote: Saqartvelo
                        Georgia is not in force

                        Well, their runaway general was shot in Moscow.
                        Quote: Saqartvelo
                        Russia yourself know no will to punish them no

                        So on the territory of Russia they are not considered to have committed a crime, unless proven otherwise.
                      13. Saqartvelo
                        Saqartvelo 10 July 2012 18: 31
                        -1
                        1) The court established an ethnic purge in Abkhazia (1992-1993), but this does not prevent the Russian Federation from having the closest relations with the killers, so the court has nothing to do with it.
                        2) It is unlikely that anyone needed him nafig?
                        3) Of course, they do not count, if the Kadyrovs are not considered murderers and are declared heroes, then talking about others makes no sense.
                      14. antiaircrafter
                        antiaircrafter 10 July 2012 18: 37
                        +3
                        Quote: Saqartvelo
                        1) The court established an ethnical purge in Abkhazia (1992-1993) established

                        Wait a minute, advertising ... Putin did this too?
                        You don’t have to pile everything up; we are not talking about Georgian-Abkhaz relations.
                        Quote: Saqartvelo
                        2) It is unlikely that anyone needed him nafig?

                        It's true. But still betrayed - answer!
                        Quote: Saqartvelo
                        Of course not considered

                        Not considered, for guilt is not proven.
                        Quote: Saqartvelo
                        Kadyrovs are not considered killers

                        This is our internal showdown, do not go into them.
                      15. Saqartvelo
                        Saqartvelo 10 July 2012 19: 05
                        -4
                        1) Putin, not Putin, to demonstrate this fact that the decision of the international court does not interest Russia, nor then now.
                        2) I can’t say 100% accuracy because I didn’t decide to liquidate it :) However, I doubt very much that he still sits a lot in Moscow and no one is interested in them, who needed this?
                        3) The guilt of those who have been proven are also not considered, so it is proven, not proven, little changes.
                        4) This is an example if politics requires what to go to the Kremlin, and here is politics, they (war criminals) now they need and they put the device on every Strasbourg. That's real.
                      16. antiaircrafter
                        antiaircrafter 10 July 2012 20: 30
                        +3
                        Quote: Saqartvelo
                        1) Putin, not Putin

                        No, my friend, who is found guilty by the court, he is responsible, and this is your showdown. We and our president do not need to be dragged here.
                        Quote: Saqartvelo
                        3) The guilt of those who have been proven are also not considered, so it is proven, not proven, little changes.

                        Yah? Here Budanov, for example, was imprisoned. Perhaps innocently.
                        Quote: Saqartvelo
                        4) This is an example if politics requires what to go to the Kremlin, and here is politics, they (war criminals) now they need and they put the device on every Strasbourg. That's real.

                        Unfortunately, the thought did not understand.
                        Some of the Russians recognized as a war criminal?
                      17. Saqartvelo
                        Saqartvelo 10 July 2012 20: 44
                        -3
                        1) Those who are found guilty are in Russia, but Russia does not touch them, not at the time of Yeltsin, not now, but rather patronize, Putin succeeded in this more than all your leaders.
                        2) And no one even questioned these in the Russian Federation.
                        Budanov was put in fear of the Chechens, released and received a bullet in the forehead from those, and the RF is not in force to touch them now.
                        3) All war criminals of the war in Abkhazia in 1992-1993 and the Tskhinvali region 1991-1992; 2008 are citizens of the Russian Federation, so they are Russians.
                        And the parties to this conflict are Georgia and Russia, in which Abkhazia and the Tskhinvali region are in full control.
                        I hope now I have a clear explanation. wink
                      18. antiaircrafter
                        antiaircrafter 10 July 2012 21: 37
                        +1
                        Quote: Saqartvelo
                        who are found guilty sit in Russia

                        Request extradition in the manner prescribed by law. Do not demand - it means no one to give out.
                        Quote: Saqartvelo
                        And nobody even interrogated these in the Russian Federation

                        So did not commit the crimes provided for by the Criminal Code. Ask through the interpol, they will be found and interrogated.
                        Quote: Saqartvelo
                        All war criminals of the war in Abkhazia in 1992-1993 and the Tskhinvali region of 1991-1992; 2008 g. Are citizens of the Russian Federation, so they are Russians.

                        In 90x they were not citizens of Russia. Request through interpol. What is in the way?
                        Quote: Saqartvelo
                        And the parties to this conflict are Georgia and Russia.

                        Just do not drag Russia into your showdown 90x years. Our armit did not participate then.
                      19. Saqartvelo
                        Saqartvelo 10 July 2012 22: 44
                        -4
                        1) They demanded more than once, but they don’t give.
                        2) They also asked for it through the interpol, but the Russian authorities put it on every interpol with the device, you do not live in Mars, you should know how everything works in the Russian Federation.
                        3) Once again, they also demanded through interpol (now they also demand), and the Russian authorities spit whose citizens they were in the 90s, since they killed the hated Georgians, they will forgive them all, they will throw money and orders.
                        4) Participated and even how, by name I can name many, and they themselves did not particularly deny their participation.
                      20. antiaircrafter
                        antiaircrafter 11 July 2012 07: 59
                        0
                        Saqartvelo
                        Where is all the evidence that the Russians, under the leadership of Putin, carried out the genocide of the Georgians?
                      21. Pancho
                        Pancho 10 July 2012 23: 14
                        +3
                        By the way, you got a hard hit from the Chechens during the August war. Well, what's surprising, you cooked them. I remember how some Chechen who fought said that the Georgians had "not enough sweetheart," and therefore fled to the Black Sea.
                      22. AIvanA
                        AIvanA 11 July 2012 09: 44
                        0
                        It’s not very intelligible, for example, Kosovo in Serbia, Georgia recognized independence and the Albanians were engaged in war crimes no less, or even more, but they are mainly judged by Serbs, by default, which court you are talking about fairly, again you are all criminals and Georgians white and fluffy, who unleashed this hateful slaughter inside Georgia, Abkhazians? or you again someone is to blame but not you?
                      23. Pancho
                        Pancho 10 July 2012 23: 10
                        +1
                        But how did the Georgians get to Abkhazia? Is it possible by relocation from Georgia, populating the homes of repressed local residents? Here you are invited to exit. Little Georgia has a big mouth. You simply have different opportunities than desires, this is the root of all misfortunes. Live in yourselves and prosper if you can.
                      24. Saqartvelo
                        Saqartvelo 11 July 2012 00: 52
                        -5
                        Yes, maybe 3000 years ago, maybe they moved.
                      25. Pancho
                        Pancho 11 July 2012 21: 54
                        +1
                        You are disingenuous. Repressed the local residents: Greeks, Abkhazians, etc. Stalin and Beria built Great Georgia using their official position. Because of this, Georgia did not pay taxes after the Second World War for 10 years. Yes, you should kiss our hands, and you bite the hand that fed you. Well, nothing - they give two unbeaten for a beaten one.
                      26. AIvanA
                        AIvanA 11 July 2012 09: 34
                        +1
                        And in Georgia, has anyone been punished for shelling civilian areas of Tskhinval, for killing peacekeepers? Or is it state. politics, and Russia has only a crime, some kind of double standards, Mr., although this is the norm of the enlightened west.
                      27. Zhaman-Urus
                        Zhaman-Urus 10 July 2012 19: 42
                        +3
                        Are civilians not reservists in Gori? I agree that it is tragic for loved ones if you put on a uniform, be prepared for the fact that not only you but also will shoot at you. I am ready to believe that the Ossetians killed and expelled peaceful Georgians from their villages, but I also believe that Georgian soldiers and reservists from the Georgian villages of South Ossetia killed and expelled Ossetians and Russians. Read the report of your Minister of Defense Karkarashvili and the interview of the commander of the peacekeepers of Georgia Mamuka (I forgot my name and I was too lazy to look for it), it clearly states that the hostilities were unleashed by Georgia in order to "restore constitutional order on the territory of Samachablo." And everything that your propaganda wrote and filmed after the war is FALSE.
                      28. Saqartvelo
                        Saqartvelo 10 July 2012 19: 49
                        -4
                        No, civilians are children, women, old people and all those who did not take part in the war, the reservists have nothing to do with it.
          6. Lech e-mine
            Lech e-mine 10 July 2012 17: 19
            +3
            IF THE NEIGHBORS OF THE FASCISTS AND KILLERS MAKE THE NATIONAL HEROES A GOOD WAY TO ENTER AGAINST IT A FLIGHT-FREE ZONE.
            1. Saqartvelo
              Saqartvelo 10 July 2012 18: 36
              -1
              The flag in your hands ...
              1. Lech e-mine
                Lech e-mine 10 July 2012 18: 56
                +2
                thanks for the wise thought.
              2. Morani
                Morani 10 July 2012 22: 44
                -5
                It was somehow unpleasant to observe how Orthodox co-religionists were ironed by bombers.
                1. AIvanA
                  AIvanA 11 July 2012 09: 49
                  +2
                  Of course, it’s not pleasant when the co-religionists recognize, at least officially, the closeness of Catholicism, kill peacekeepers, who are also Orthodox, but how have I made sure this people understands any help unselfish as weakness and strives to grab it, so how many cheeks should I substitute?
          7. zadorin1974
            zadorin1974 10 July 2012 19: 57
            +1
            Listen to -VVVVVVVVVI as they were leeches of the USSR (WE LIVED BEAUTIFULLY without releasing anything worthwhile for the country except sprats) and sit on the neck of RUSSIA AND EURO in turn sucking two (with three tits states)
          8. AIvanA
            AIvanA 11 July 2012 08: 21
            +1
            Duck who was in power was in the Union - the Georgians are yours, if you take your logic into account, they have arranged a whole bloody storm in the territory of the Union, and why Yushchenko and your Sasha kissed, because the Holodomor in Ukraine also organized the Georgian, well, etc. . And at the expense of 18% of the territory, don’t go too far; you started your peaceful march on these 18% with the killing of peacekeepers, and then there wasn’t any more for you and the civilian population, as you called them? when they went to clean the territory, and at the expense of the neighbors it’s a sin for you to complain, the very patient have come across, they give you energy, gas for your constant rudeness and hatred towards them.
          9. Pushkar
            Pushkar 13 July 2012 20: 59
            0
            [Quote]SaqartveloWell, genatsvale, you suggested it and tried 08.08.08. And without someone from across the ocean, what are you like? Barsetochniki.
      2. ALPETSEM
        ALPETSEM 10 July 2012 13: 27
        +3
        Over the Russians, even Akhmed Kadyrov, along with "beloved son" Ramzan, are heroes of Russia

        Have you heard the parable of the prodigal son?

        Latvia is their state, whom they want to proclaim as a hero, what is the matter of Russia?

        In the hands of these heroes there is so much blood, innocent people who were our fellow citizens, therefore there is a thing to do with it, and a matter of honor. But to your main allies, what was the matter with the heroes of Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya ???
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 10 July 2012 13: 34
          -4
          Alexander!
          and what do you dislike about the Kadyrovs ??
          Tell you about Russian heroes who killed hundreds of Russians !! ??
          Have you heard about the children's writer Gaidar ??
          Do you know in 15 years who he was and how many Russians he killed ??
          1. serge
            serge 10 July 2012 14: 25
            +4
            Yarbay
            Tell you about Russian heroes who killed hundreds of Russians !! ??
            Have you heard about the children's writer Gaidar ??
            Do you know in 15 years who he was and how many Russians he killed ??
            -------------------------------
            Arkady Petrovich Golikov (Gaidar) was not Russian, but was a Jew. He has a characteristic face with a bald spot on his forehead, rollers under his eyes and ears without a lobe. Well, the natural mayor of Luzhkov. Near Tambov, together with Tukhachevsky, Gaidar managed to distinguish himself in the Russian genocide. But Gaidar defended the Jews. I didn’t kill a civilian. Not like Russian. I regretted it in books.
            Excerpts from his books:
            "She comes up to me and asks:" What is a female dovka? "And I am ashamed to say. I shout:" Shut up, Sanka! "And he deliberately shouts louder and louder. I follow him over the fence. into the bushes. So he disappeared. "
            "- How what? The boy came running - railway? So, this is the breed!
            Vladik was at a loss, as if someone grabbed him across the face with nettles from full swing. "Here it is! That's who is for you! - flashed through his head. - Ioska is still his ... pioneer ... comrade!" Without remembering how, Vladik jumped up and hit the guy on the head with all his might. "
            Arkady Golikov was married to Ruve-Leah Lazarevna Solomyanskaya. The second wife of Gaidar is Dora Mikhailovna Chernyshova. Both wives clearly what nationality. Tell me a Russian who would marry Jewish women twice. Blood to blood stretches. So with Gaidar the example is unsuccessful.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 10 July 2012 15: 23
              -5
              serge!
              Well, stop fooling yourself !!
              Denikin, Budyonny, Voroshilov, Shkuro and others in your opinion were Jews?
              You are definitely sick with Nazism!
              1. serge
                serge 10 July 2012 21: 19
                0
                Yarbay
                This is called a response or a short comment. Gaidar was the topic, not Denikin and Petlyura. First, the answer is not the topic, then an attempt to insult. Recognizable style. Yes you, my friend, of the same blood with Gaidar.
          2. ALPETSEM
            ALPETSEM 10 July 2012 17: 26
            +2
            So I say the opposite, about the fact that Kadyrov, despite his past deeds, went to meet with the Russian authorities in order to end the bloodshed on his land.
        2. Saqartvelo
          Saqartvelo 10 July 2012 13: 50
          -7
          1) I propose that this "prytchu" be ordered at least against S. Basayev, why not a "prodigal son" like the Kadyrovs?
          2) So what? Do you see on your aforementioned "prodigal sons" not less than the blood of your people and nothing are they a hero for you than Latvians are worse?
          3) You did not try to find out how many innocent Latvian (Estonian, Lithuanian, Ukrainian, etc.
          Olsk, Georgian, etc.) civilians, maybe this was the reason for revenge, so tough.
          1. dark_65
            dark_65 10 July 2012 14: 11
            +3
            I just wouldn’t give a hand to people like you.
            1. Saqartvelo
              Saqartvelo 10 July 2012 14: 27
              -6
              What can I do after that, I will not bear.
          2. Yarbay
            Yarbay 10 July 2012 14: 18
            -2
            Giorgi
            not one murder of an innocent man can be justified in any way !!
            killing defenseless people are animals in the guise of people!
            Most of my life I devoted to the fight against such non-humans !!
            1. Saqartvelo
              Saqartvelo 10 July 2012 14: 24
              -4
              I don’t justify, just standing alone in the role of the devil, but not a word about your bastards, at least not honestly.
              Here are such articles, books, films, etc. zombies of the people, and the creation of the image of the enemy.
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 10 July 2012 15: 15
                0
                Giorgi
                You wrote * or maybe they took revenge *** - this is an excuse!
                You can take revenge on the bloody killer, not his children, wife or parents !!
          3. ALPETSEM
            ALPETSEM 10 July 2012 17: 23
            +2
            about the Georgian it would be better, they would have kept silent. How does Basayev fall under the definition of "prodigal sons" - he repented of his crimes?
            1. Saqartvelo
              Saqartvelo 10 July 2012 18: 27
              +2
              But what if he was calm, would they accept?
              1. ALPETSEM
                ALPETSEM 10 July 2012 19: 57
                +1
                But this can’t be determined, and I don’t solve such issues, who knows the Kadyrovs, they accepted him, and many militants (who voluntarily surrendered) came under amnesty.
          4. ALPETSEM
            ALPETSEM 10 July 2012 17: 41
            +3
            They avenged ... Children. women, old people. If they had avenged themselves on the fronts, the question would not have been posed like that.
          5. ALPETSEM
            ALPETSEM 10 July 2012 20: 16
            +1
            "I'll jump"-It’s clear that the Russian language is not your native language, but is it really difficult to rewrite a word without errors, because it is before your eyes.
      3. Rikoshet
        Rikoshet 10 July 2012 15: 25
        -3
        Well done, genetsvali! Hit the point! In Russia, until now, the names of heroes such as Uritsky, Bauman, Ordzhonikidze and so on and so forth are called streets and stations. Why, for example, is Shukhevych worse than Uritsky?
        I always said how much benefit Russia brought to your president, Saakashvili-so no Putin-schmutin dreamed-taught such lessons! And Yushchenko, the best friend of Russia, thanks to him the number of those who call themselves Russian has increased in x .... di
        1. AIvanA
          AIvanA 11 July 2012 09: 55
          +1
          Well, why didn’t I dream, there Dzhugashvili, along with Beria and the Baltic states, arranged the Iukrins and pits for everyone else, so his fellow tribesmen now call them Russian, well done, and how long ago I came to the conclusion that the more mellow plans the more loud and false they distort everything, including history.
      4. ZuluS
        ZuluS 10 July 2012 17: 54
        -3
        Wow! With this flag your comments will not even be read! laughing Although you're right !!!
      5. zadorin1974
        zadorin1974 10 July 2012 19: 50
        -1
        yes you need to extinguish at the level of the people !!!!!!!!!!
      6. AIvanA
        AIvanA 11 July 2012 08: 13
        +2
        We are doing our job, but we won’t take an example from you, you’re blasting monuments to your ancestors heroes just blowing up no memory there are no ancestors glory to the heroes of the Saakashvili!
      7. Midshipman
        Midshipman 14 July 2012 00: 16
        0
        Kadyrov is "our son of a bitch." We will react accordingly.
    2. zadorin1974
      zadorin1974 10 July 2012 19: 48
      -2
      I agree one hundred percent - it is necessary to unite !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    3. Bosk
      Bosk 15 July 2012 23: 14
      0
      The best option is to not react at all, because it is precisely the reaction they seek, it is for them like nectar.
  16. Rebus
    Rebus 10 July 2012 11: 21
    +7
    The war will end when the last Nazi is hanged, whether he is a Zionist or an "Aryan" or a "champion" of democracy around the world, all these phenomena have the same root.
  17. baron.nn
    baron.nn 10 July 2012 12: 42
    +5
    Fascist creatures !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The descendants of these creatures cannot be dealt with, because they have atrocities in the blood. in their inferiority !!!
    1. Lech e-mine
      Lech e-mine 10 July 2012 18: 19
      +4
      THESE CREATIVES FROM THE BALTICS RECEIVE A JUSTY PLEASURE.
  18. Drappier
    Drappier 10 July 2012 12: 45
    +2
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdtuDnlgsCc какие вытянутые морды )
  19. dark_65
    dark_65 10 July 2012 14: 10
    +4
    If we try to say that the bastards are apostates, this is not the whole nation, a lie.
    Peoples admitting such, and releasing such from their flesh are not people, cattle ... and there can be no respect for him.
    You can understand a lot, but if it rots from the inside .... takeaway.
  20. Kostya pedestrian
    Kostya pedestrian 10 July 2012 14: 36
    +7
    Oh, I would be a lawyer with experience in international affairs
    1. Once officially remembered, then they recognize the existence of such warriors
    2. Once they show honors to these moral degenerates, they must also share with them the responsibility for what they have done.
    3. Once a part of Europe means payments in Euro currency

    It is necessary, for example, to the Lietuvisians, Belarusians to prepare a document for compensation for moral damage caused by this black plague, as well as providing money from the European Parliament for the construction of monuments so that they would be installed on the site of each village and adjacent highways. As well as salaries to the watchmen, so that the descendants of those sadists did not defeat the monuments.

    Only the Yugoslavs should judge the European Union, it is necessary to judge the Latvians, and spend a new article in their budget to pay guards and monuments, and roads to the monuments, etc.

    1. ZuluS
      ZuluS 10 July 2012 19: 02
      -4
      You shouldn't do this, Russia has more sins than all the former republics combined !!! Here they often write about the plans of the West to embroil the citizens of the CIS, spread copies of documents, but in fact it turns out that no effort is needed! The great Russian chauvinism will do its job! Judge for yourself, from 07.07.12 an article about the claims of the Balts, an article about Petliura, an article about Turkmenistan, today about Latvians! It took only three days, and already crap and rude to the Balts, Uzbeks and Turkmens, Ukrainians! And as far as I understand, a series of exposing articles has just begun, and in front, according to the logic of things, we still have forest brothers (Lithuania), the 20th SS Grenadier Division (Estonia) Bendera (Ukraine), UPA (Ukraine), SS Division Galicia "(Ukraine), Crimean Tatars (Ukraine), peoples of the Caucasus (Russia and Caucasians), Vlasovites (Russia), Don and Kuban Cossacks (Russia), there is also dirt on Kazakhs !!! In short, I foresee a srach of all-Union significance! Well, explain to me why the West needs to do something? It is much easier to step aside and not interfere! And the authors of such articles will help them !!! In particular!!! It seems to me that instead of figuring out who was right and who was wrong, it’s better to start figuring out what to do in order to regain the respect and trust in each other that we have lost! And how can we, regardless of who is in power in our countries, revive all the good in our relations and our unity !!! To begin with, do not be afraid to admit your mistakes, EVERYONE !!! Or did I say something wrong? request
      1. ALPETSEM
        ALPETSEM 10 July 2012 20: 07
        +6
        These articles are the answers of ordinary people to accusations of occupation (although many of us did not occupy anyone or even think.), To the solemn marches of SS veterans — that is, punishers and murderers, and many other attacks. From all sides. just hear and obey, repent, compensate, etc. etc., well, if I willingly or unwillingly insulted someone, I apologize to all of you, but I also ask that my people do not blame all the atrocities, the perpetrators should be responsible for the crimes, and not the nation to which these degenerates are ranked.
        1. ZuluS
          ZuluS 10 July 2012 20: 45
          -1
          Do you really think that the average Baltic Yanis sits and blames all the sins of the average Ivan, rubbing his grandfather's SS crosses to a shine? And what is even more unlikely, expects some kind of compensation from Russia ??? I do not believe!! And I’m sure that they also tell some nasty things about Russia! Like, all Russians are sleeping and see that Putin is about to give them a command to attack the Baltic states! Agree, nonsense !!! As in the Baltic States and Ukraine, so in Russia and Georgia there are close-minded people, but their minority! But this minority is trying to quarrel everyone and everything, for the sake of its mercantile and material wealth, driving a wedge of mutual insults between the majority, using the holy memory of our ancestors for us and our patriotism! And most need peace, the welfare of the family and the country, and albeit a hackneyed, but nonetheless, such a necessary concept as friendship !!!
      2. Nu daaaa ...
        Nu daaaa ... 10 July 2012 20: 18
        -7
        Dear ZuluS, all this barking and screaming has probably one simple reason - soon in Estonia in the Blue Mountains live veterans of the Estonian Waffen SS division gather, who in 44 in those places together with Walloons, Norwegians and others blocked the Red Army, moreover, so that they could not break through in this direction and were forced to do so in Tartu (south) directions. That’s the whole story. And of course the usual kick in the Baltic states. Nothing new ...
        1. Lech e-mine
          Lech e-mine 11 July 2012 07: 02
          +1
          this is NERVICE NKVD. It's a pity that not all SSs were destroyed.
  21. Roman Dmitriev
    Roman Dmitriev 10 July 2012 14: 49
    +8
    Saqartvelo, you, I look, a great democrat and historian? Well, well, you don’t remember that the country was ruled by Georgians, the NKVD was also led by Georgians. And there were more Russians repressed than other nationalities? So now think about who, to whom and what should repent, following your logic, and to whom should the Balts present bills? But I note, this follows from your own logic. For me, Stalin, in spite of all his mistakes, will remain one of the great rulers of the country.
    1. Saqartvelo
      Saqartvelo 10 July 2012 15: 13
      -7
      Roman Dmitriev,
      Stalin was by default a Georgian, so what, Hitler was an Austrian, and Mannerheim is a Swede, and so what? He was never a citizen of Georgia (But RI, RSFSR, USSR, yes), he considered himself a Russian of Georgian passage, he was the head of the USSR, the assignee of which is the Russian Federation, Georgia itself was occupied by Russia in 1921, and most of all Georgia knows who it was Stalin condemns all his actions, and you just exalt him and almost declare him a saint.
      P.S. and Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians and others (we have excellent relations with them) themselves know well who needs to make claims, for they know best where the Stalin’s business is alive and well.
      1. biglow
        biglow 10 July 2012 21: 25
        +3
        sakatrvela and did the builder david have a Georgian passport or did the tsarina queen?
        1. Roman Dmitriev
          Roman Dmitriev 10 July 2012 21: 54
          +2
          Quote: biglow
          sakatrvela and did the builder david have a Georgian passport or did the tsarina queen?

          No, they had a georgia passport.
  22. Roman Dmitriev
    Roman Dmitriev 10 July 2012 15: 24
    +5
    So what are we evil occupiers in the Union then lived worse than the oppressed, huh? Why did you get gasification during the Union period, but are we just getting gas? Why did you litter money, and we considered a penny to a penny? And this applies to all the outskirts of the Union.
    Quote: Saqartvelo
    My grandfather, my grandfather’s brothers, great-grandfather participated in WWII, and many more relatives, some of whom died or were missing.
    What did they then defend such a crap state?
  23. Saqartvelo
    Saqartvelo 10 July 2012 15: 34
    -4
    Roman Dmitriev,
    1) Gasification of Georgia is taking place right now, gas was only in large cities (and not in all) and in those settlements that are located along the central routes.
    2) You know in the USSR they were not particularly interested in what citizens wanted or not.
  24. Roman Dmitriev
    Roman Dmitriev 10 July 2012 15: 35
    +3
    Quote: Saqartvelo
    You know in the USSR they were not particularly interested in what citizens wanted or not.

    Well, your distant relative found a way out.
    1. Saqartvelo
      Saqartvelo 10 July 2012 15: 53
      -4
      Roman Dmitriev,
      They — grandfather, grandfather’s brothers, great-grandfather, and the rest of the two evils chose whom they considered the lesser evil, and he chose the other. Yes, and many of them were poisoned by Soviet propaganda, did not consider the councils as evil and walked confident that Georgia they are saving from the Nazis, while others on the other side thought on the contrary that with the help of the Germans they would have freed Georgia from the Communists, and there were those who were simply forced to fight due to the nature of the then power.
      P.S. There were also the rest of the USSR nations (including the Russians), some of them fought on this side, some on the other, but everyone had their own truth, and I do not blame anyone for these or those, and if I condemn it, both the Nazis and the Communists, and not selectively, as it is now in fashion in Russia (spread rot Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Ukrainians, Georgians
      etc. and not a word about the red bastards or Russians on the other side like ROA, RONA, etc.).
      1. Rebus
        Rebus 10 July 2012 16: 03
        +8
        Quote: Saqartvelo
        slander Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Ukrainians, Georgians and so on. and not a word about the red bastards or Russians on the other side like ROA, RONA

        Vlasovites and all sorts of ROA participants were convicted in the USSR, who died in the camps, and who were simply hanged. These bastards will never be honored, as they are now honored in the Baltic States.
        1. Saqartvelo
          Saqartvelo 10 July 2012 16: 23
          -6
          These, too, were convicted (naturally, those who were in the hands of the soviets), served in camps and so on.
          1. smile
            smile 10 July 2012 22: 07
            +1
            Saqartvelo
            Yes unfortunately. the evil Stalin after the war abolished the death penalty and punishers who burned compatriots alive - and they exterminated all the families of people who united in their territory, often escaped fair punishment ... the fact of the matter is that all normal Baltic states are our supporters, were killed .... and those who did it and fell into our hands - they spent time and went out ... insulting ... and their descendants are skewing to you now tell us how they did not love us, knowing full well. that of all fellow tribesmen. to which they reached, drove into the ground, not bothering with the courts .... they are humanists, they’ll get away with it ...
      2. antiaircrafter
        antiaircrafter 10 July 2012 16: 17
        +6
        Quote: Saqartvelo
        and not a word about the red bastards or Russians on the other side like ROA, RONA, etc.

        They got theirs and now they do not suit their marches and have no honors.
      3. smile
        smile 10 July 2012 22: 17
        0
        Saqartvelo
        You have already proved in your own words that you haven’t been to the Baltic states ... this is understandable and excusable, especially considering the Georgian agitation prop, for which the Clever, Brave and Honest Mishiko would clearly have been honored by Goebbels's pat on the pink cheek .... but if you show me at least one of the Baltic states, which on ethnic grounds is spread rot in Russia, for example, fined one and a half bucks. for the fact that he began to speak his own language ... then I will be grateful ....... but such Russians - almost the entire Russian-speaking population of the Baltic states ...
        Well, the fact that you are defending Nazi minions - to hell with it, judging by the fact that you are weaving - you have the very place among the punitive described in the article. judging by the rhetoric, you think that this is the norm ... well, okay, you’re not dangerous, you haven’t reached the Russian bayonet yet ... you will climb - it will! But do not climb - and so pray for your beloved Aloizievich ... us something? ... Ugh
        1. Saqartvelo
          Saqartvelo 10 July 2012 22: 50
          -3
          smile,
          Clinic
          1. smile
            smile 13 July 2012 05: 33
            0
            Saqartveloa
            What is the clinic? maybe you know the Georgians who are fined for talking in their native language in Russia? And in the Baltic states this is being monitored by a special administrative body. ... Or are you envious? Oh, damn it, you threw the idea! WELL AS I DO NOT AYAIA! :))))))))
  25. Roman Dmitriev
    Roman Dmitriev 10 July 2012 16: 00
    +5
    Quote: Saqartvelo
    P.S. There were also the rest of the USSR nations (including the Russians), some of them fought on this side, some on the other, but everyone had their own truth, and I do not blame anyone for those, and if I condemn it, both the Nazis and the Communists, and not selectively, as it is now in fashion in Russia (spread rot Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Ukrainians, Georgians
    etc. and not a word about the red bastards or Russians on the other side like ROA, RONA, etc.).

    But it is precisely the excuse of only one side that you are doing.
    1. Saqartvelo
      Saqartvelo 10 July 2012 16: 30
      -8
      No, I’m just against demonizing one side and about sticking up the actions of the other side, when I see an article not like this where evil Latvians are guilty of everything, but such where it will be apart from the actions of Latvians, it is also described how the USSR occupied Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania in 1940 . and what it did there before the war, then I’ll say that everything is honest and objective.
      But such an article will not be because how then will the people zombie and create the image of the enemy?
      1. smile
        smile 10 July 2012 19: 18
        +2
        Saqartvelo
        It means so.
        1. Latvia and Estonia have never had statehood. The land was always owned by German barons and Swedes ... anyone. besides them ... they even wrote appeared in the second half of the 19th century - later than the Chukchi. Russia as a result of a series of wars, mainly with Sweden and all kinds of Germans, conquered and partially bought these lands from the true owners of these lands ...
        In the 20th year, when we were weak, we got our hands twisted and under military pressure these lands were taken away and artificial state formations were created ...
        When we found ourselves, we took back the lands belonging to Russia ....
        For Stalin’s crimes, Russia repented for a quarter of a century, have you been in lethargy all this time ??? No need to dissemble! It’s they and people like you who are zombifying themselves and creating enemies ....... what did we get in return? Enough!
        Shake the cockroaches themselves in your head, and then blather about objectivity!
        1. Saqartvelo
          Saqartvelo 10 July 2012 22: 54
          -4
          Well, there was no statehood, so what? Do you have it now?
  26. CARBON
    CARBON 10 July 2012 16: 08
    +6
    The smaller the country, the more sadists there are. This is their complex. You are operating with a lot of arguments Saqartvelo that everything Soviet is darkness and gloom, you have a clear rejection of modern Russia, it's up to you. But the Latvian Legion can not be whitewashed by anything, the executioners of the highest category, and not soldiers, and even more so not heroes. If you don’t understand this, then I'm sorry smile
    1. Saqartvelo
      Saqartvelo 10 July 2012 16: 34
      -4
      I never said that all Soviet darkness and darkness.
  27. smile
    smile 10 July 2012 16: 34
    +5
    Motors and Well yeah

    Sooooo! Dear, for some reason I do not see your comments here. I remember that you stated that your SS men and auxiliary police units were exclusively engaged in defending their homeland from bad enkavedeshniki ... they complained that you had so many refugees for nothing, and explained that we are such evil ... Now you understand that your compatriots ran because they thought that we would do with them the way they deserve it? I hope you will no longer recall the bloody gebnya that sent and simply imprisoned for criminal offenses for the entire time of the Soviet regime you have an order of magnitude less than your freedom fighters killed in the most atrocious way in just 4 years ..... Maybe you it even became clear why our old people there reacted so nervously to your neat old SS men, inspiredly, to your applause broadcasting about how they fought for the freedom of their Motherland ......
    I have a specific claim to humane Stalin - what the hell was the death penalty abolished after the war?
    Well yeah, Motors, if you have even a modicum of conscience, now you have to repent and apologize for defending the image of the animals, which were your compatriots who served in the Waffen SS and other police forces ... or we owe it all to forget?
    1. Lech e-mine
      Lech e-mine 10 July 2012 17: 47
      +4
      I agree the atrocities of the Nazis from the BALTIC can not be compared with what the NKVD did (BLOODED GEBNYA HAS BEEN MANY HUMAN TIME MORE)
      In the photo, the fascists from the Baltic countries did this.
      1. Lech e-mine
        Lech e-mine 10 July 2012 18: 03
        +5
        TRUTH in the photo to see someone burning in the ass
        I'll put it
      2. smile
        smile 10 July 2012 18: 17
        +1
        Lech e-mine
        Bliiiiiin, I put you a plus so carefully that I put a minus ... Excuse me, please, huh? I won’t be anymore, honestly, honestly!
    2. smile
      smile 10 July 2012 18: 11
      +1
      smile
      This is a comment on my speech.
      He wrote me in a personal - Well, yeah, and said that he can not answer because of the restrictions imposed on him. I guess. Motors has the same trouble, he chided me with a conscience and offered to tell me this if I have a conscience and eggs ...
      By the way, I suppose these restrictions are somehow dishonest ... well, to hell with them!

      Well, yeah! Writing! With the items you are interested in, I am fine. But also I write. that in neither of your two letters did you give a single argument in favor of the fact that you are right, and not the author of the article
      You also did not give arguments why we should be ashamed for the fact that in 40 we returned Latvia and Estonia, which were illegally seized from us in the 20th century and never belonged to your compatriots who did not have their own statehood (but were conquered and partially redeemed from the true owners these moss)
      you didn’t give arguments why thousands of people shot by our enkavedesh (mostly active independence activists), thousands of people sent to camps and tens of thousands of deportees across the Baltic states are worse than Hundreds of thousands of children, old people and women killed in the most atrocious manner, tens of thousands to death camps and hundreds of thousands to German slavery ...
      I told you in a personal message - if the bill was the opposite - I would not have stuttered about it ... I would be ashamed ... And I don’t understand your selective desire for justice!
      None of your compatriots apologized for this ....... Or is it the norm for you? ... Well, who are you after that?
      It is unfortunate that Well, yeah, and Motors has limitations .... not only is this not very honest - we deprive them of the opportunity to repent on behalf of their peoples ... so that we understand that they are not all .... or , if we hadn’t repented, we would have understood that these atrocities and crimes are an integral feature of their humane and democratic national character ........
      1. ZuluS
        ZuluS 10 July 2012 19: 40
        -4
        It is amazing how you fervently discuss events that are disgusting to modern cultural people! You shouldn't boast so much that thousands of Poles were shot by "your NKVD" (why did you get that?) Of Poles alone, and in Katyn alone more than 20 thousand unarmed were killed! And the account of the civilian population destroyed by the Bolshevik scum goes into the millions, it is enough to look at the population census from the 1920s in the republics and take into account the traditions of these executioners to hide their crimes !!! And this despite the fact that the rural population, which suffered the most, was considered a blind eye, until 1974 they did not even have matrices! Cruelty breeds only cruelty, in progression !!! Sowed violence in the Baltic States and Western Ukraine in the 39th and then choked on confrontations until the early 60s! And yet, since when has it become justified to shoot thousands of fighters for independence? In general, Tsutsyk, have you lost your nose?
        1. smile
          smile 10 July 2012 21: 51
          +3
          ZuluS
          I took it from generally unprotected sources ... even on the Internet ... everything has long been put on display ... unfortunately. Poles - not in Katyn, but in general, much less was shot, and this is a well-known fact for a long time, confirmed, in particular, by the recent decision of the European Court ....
          Victims of Stalinism. including those more than worthy of death, those who have earned from 20 to 53 years - 2.6 million - this is open data. everyone here entered - and self-gunners and deserters shot without trial, and gangs and basmachs of the 20s and hanged Bandera and ordinary murderers - it’s understandable, in fact, given the brutal Stalinist reporting system, it’s ideal, because the one who lied , went to jail ... oh, now it would be so ..... Your pearl, that someone did not have a passport before the age of 74 issues you .... you are either a young man who does not have an analytical mindset, unable to evaluate information and draw conclusions, either a clinical or an arrogant intentional liar ..... and why the 74 year ... well, well? Clear. that you don’t care for the hundreds of thousands of prisoners tortured by the Poles and our population during the most severe policy of polonization .... it’s clear that you nevermind even sending the Belyaks fighting the Bolsheviks to the concentration camps by the Balts - well. such is the Baltic gratitude ... this is to the question of whether. who sowed what ...
          In principle, I understand why you are sorry for the thousand independence fighters who have become famous only to those. that behind the wide back, the Wehrmacht squeamishly watching them was killed by hundreds of thousands of children, women and unarmed old people ... in principle. All the colonial countries of Europe were quite legitimate in doing the same, and especially in this field the USA has become famous over the last century ... which, in principle, went out trophy of the nostril into the nostril with the Hitlerites ...... but ... it does not bother you ? Don't you even discuss this? And why? Now, if I give you an eye, and you slaughter my whole family for it - it will be an evil NKVD and good freedom fighters - in terms of crime - one to one! So which of us will be better, huh?
          But the last phrase ...... I suppose, even for you, it’s obvious that the animal that I disregarded, that you wouldn’t speak this phrase to me in person .. sorry ... honestly - sorry .... you know, I wouldn’t even cause you a single bodily injury .... honestly ..... but you would be uncomfortable .... and scary .... trust me :))))))))) and so ... well - get out, hamloo!
          1. ZuluS
            ZuluS 11 July 2012 04: 41
            -1
            Stop the tantrum !!! Fear? What can you tell me new about him? laughing I know for sure that the one who is terrible in words, in fact, is not worth an egg! Verified personally, from my own experience !!! As the saying goes, there isn’t worse the hare of the beast !!! As you have already noticed, I’m with you now on you, you haven’t deserved it yet !!!! Here is the verbal diarrhea that you concocted, prompted me to think that you are a balobol, because, first of all, according to one of my comments, you groundlessly accused me of lying, sympathizing with fascism, called me an animal and it would have been half the trouble if you would bring at least one worthwhile argument, and only your personal speculation and posturing, which by nature is not peculiar to men, only women, castrates and homosexuals! This is just a fact!
            Secondly! Do you have any separate internet? If not, hammer in a search engine: The shooting of Polish officers in Katyn. You will find the following information:
            The ECHR stated that the Russian authorities deliberately “cloud the circumstances of the Katyn execution” and refuse to recognize its reality. “The court was struck by the apparent reluctance of the Russian authorities to recognize the reality of the Katyn execution. Thus, the Russian military courts continued to maintain, contrary to established historical facts, that the applicants' relatives “disappeared” in the Soviet camps, ”the court said. The Katyn case concerns the mass destruction of thousands of Polish prisoners of war and officials on the territory of the USSR. The Soviet authorities for a long time denied any involvement in the Katyn affair, until, finally, in the spring of 1990, TASS issued a statement that the Katyn affair was “one of the serious crimes of Stalinism”. According to declassified documents, in 1940 about 22 thousand military and officials deported from Poland were executed.
            And this is only in Katyn !!! Balabol are you? Balabol !!!! Let's go further!
            We hammer in a search engine: Issuing passports in the USSR in the countryside. One of the sources tells the following:
            Here I have personal experience - I once had a strong argument with a distant relative who lived in the village on the question of when the peasants were given passports. In Moscow I went to libraries. Found the file now. It turned out that the attachment of collective farmers to the place of residence (which consisted of not issuing passports to them) was canceled by Decree of the Council of Ministers of the USSR of August 28, 1974 N 677 "On the approval of the regulation on the passport system in the USSR" (it is for the first time postulated that have all Soviet citizens who have reached the age of 16. "," The issuance of new passports should be carried out from January 1, 1976 to December 31, 1981, including the mention of "citizens of the USSR who were not previously issued passports") This is just a seed, there is a lot of information on this topic! And again you are balabol! Now let's go to the victims of Stalinism!
            We hammer in a search engine: How many people died of starvation in the USSR! We find:
            An article posted on the pages of the Internet magazine "Demoscope" provides a table of estimates of the number of victims of the "Holodomor" [58]. In general, opinions on the number of victims differ sharply - the numbers vary from several hundred thousand to 8 million. Thus, the figure of 7-10 million people appears in the Joint Statement adopted by the UN General Assembly. Conquest in his 1969 book reports that there were 1932-1933 million people who died of starvation in the USSR in the period 5-6, half of them are residents of Ukraine [59].
            According to the estimates of the OGPU (admittedly, from the words of the defector Orlov [62]), which prepared a report intended for Stalin, the number of people who died of starvation was 3,3 - 3,5 million people. In the textbook on the history of Russia edited by Sakharov [63], the total number of victims of starvation is also determined at 3 million. It also indicates that in Ukraine, 1,5 million people died of starvation [64]. Even if you don’t give a damn about the UN General Assembly and use Soviet data (although we all know perfectly well the reliability of the Soviet information regarding the victims of the regime!) Then this is already 3 million (minimum, average 7-8) !!! Well, about the number of victims of repression of 37 years, the Gulag and the rest of the victims of Stalinism, you will find yourself and tell us all! This is your homework!
            Well, here you are balabol !!!!
            Thirdly! The next time you write something, rely on specific facts, and if you blame something, argue! And for less emotion, and then you write about your eggs, but in fact, like a woman you get a tantrum! You look, I’m going to learn the language of how to shake it in vain, otherwise the site is solid, sometimes interesting topics are raised, and few people can discuss it for verification, or gulp or balabol like you !!!! Or hamloe like me !!! laughing But on the case !!! Deserved !!!
            1. smile
              smile 12 July 2012 16: 11
              0
              ZuluS
              Perhaps you are right in that I was so angry at your insults and name-calling and answered you with the same coin ... sank to your level .... mess. But do not be offended like that - read your text to which my comment was addressed and even you will understand that you received exactly that. that they themselves burped ... if there is a desire to understand ....
              . I did not accuse you of sympathy for fascism - you yourself supported the Nazis ... why blame you - I stated.
              Further. How you contact me does not matter ....
              First, I don’t intend to write a book and refute deliberate nonsense, and secondly, hard work
              Try to read, at least Shirokorada - forgot the name of the book - if you want, find me lazy. Read, if only because in the book the author of stone on stone does not leave your Internet arguments. The book has tons of links.
              ..... The fabrication of a document about 22 has already been established .... have you really not heard? They didn’t even hear who installed it? Do you have any special internet ... with one-way cross? Change from semiconductor to normal. This is no longer balabolstvo - this is a blatant lie.
              The demoscope is a very biased source, about the same extent as the sources telling us about the deliberate destruction of more than 10 million Ukrainians by famine ...
              Yes - I believe the Soviet data on starvation - and we all know. that we had the most severe accounting and control and what threatened the falsifiers .... And where did the UN General Assembly get the information from ... .... isn’t it funny?
              And the last - pick up drool and keep in mind that you received an insult in response. You deserve it. On business!
              I insulted the animal by you really in vain! I wouldn’t wean you from lying. even if you insulted me in your first comment, you would have personally expressed .... I grieve that this did not happen ... :)))))))
              And you - rejoice!
              1. ZuluS
                ZuluS 12 July 2012 20: 57
                -1
                And I thought you were sobbing! What, for a long time could not think of what to answer? laughing Could not bathe for so long, again one demagogy and your personal speculation !!! Already without hysteria! I praise! And I accepted your apologies! What for! But it’s so easy not to wean you from balabalism, as I understand it! Fastened? Go!
                1) How and how did I support the Nazis? My quote !!!
                2) In order to refute the veracity of my arguments, it is not enough to write: "First of all, I do not intend to write a book and refute delusional delirium, and secondly, hard work" - this is, at least, an admission of your incompetence in this matter, if you accused someone of something, learn to be responsible for your words !!! And if you can’t, then there’s nothing to put in your penny when adults and knowledgeable guys argue !!! Then watch and learn !!! And there is no need to write a book, it is enough thesis, point by point !!!
                3) Again the same thing! Shirokorad has dozens of books on similar subjects! Forgot? Look at the list on Wikipedia, remember !!! Only you still thesis, outline what is written there! Since you are a BALABOL, what you know about the existence of this writer does not yet say that you read it !!! I read the review of the same connoisseur on the forum as I did myself, but now are you driving a fool? Do not!!! It's not gonna go!!!
                4) Instead of the answer about the execution in Katyn, you asked yourself three questions, gave stupid advice and again unjustly called me a liar !!! You are not a Malan for an hour! Because if so, then much will become clear to me !!!
                http://www.newsland.ru/news/detail/id/469757/ -Тут цветные копии документов касающиеся расстрела 26 700 человек подписанные Берией и Сталиным, и про Катынь статья, не нравится эта, прочти другую, их там много!!! А если у тебя есть информация о том что это всё сфабрикованно, докажи!!! Но не надо опять выкручиваться, нет доказательств, признай что ты БАЛАБОЛ и я тебя больше трогать не буду!!!
                5) I gave you an example where, among other things, it was written about from 1,5 to 3 million Ukrainians who were killed with the help of artificial famine, but in general it told about the deaths of residents of the entire USSR! What else do you read badly? Or with understanding and comprehension of the problem you read? Why focus only on Ukrainians? As I understand it, trying to get out !!! I will disappoint you, but the fake power itself was !!! Why would she hide her crimes from herself, she knew them well! Hiding from the whole world and people! Where did the UN General Assembly get such data? And they counted! During Perestroika and after the collapse of the union, there was access to much more secret information than the deaths of millions of Soviet citizens from starvation! Films were made about this then and books were written !!! Then a good tradition appeared, to talk about crimes against their people, they tried to repent, but not for long! You can believe in anything, but prove your words !!!!
                6) Have you been bugging about passports ...?
                As a result!!! You did not give a single reasoned answer, not a single fact, again groundless accusations and your (if yours) subjective opinion !!! As they say, pi ... don’t carry bags! In short MILK !!!! I am sure that you really do not know a fucker, about anything, only to adhere ... you come here !!! But now, after reading your comments, the local public will draw the right conclusions about you! STATEMENT TO ALL OPEN !!!! SMILE - A BALABOL WHICH DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING !!!
                1. Morani
                  Morani 13 July 2012 01: 00
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                  Quote: ZuluS
                  SMILE - A BALABOL WHICH DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING !!!

                  Unfortunately there is one. He hides from his long, empty monologues. Leopard change his spots.
                  1. smile
                    smile 13 July 2012 05: 20
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                    Morani
                    Yeahhh, but nothing will correct you anymore - and it doesn’t matter what you’re trying to digest from .... maybe from something short .... it happens ... it’s more visible to the concave!
                2. Aleksys2
                  Aleksys2 13 July 2012 03: 07
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                  Quote: ZuluS
                  Here are color copies of documents relating to the execution of 26 700 people signed by Beria and Stalin, and about Katyn article, do not like this, read another, there are many of them !!! And if you have information that this is all fabricated, prove it !!!


                  parsing these "documents" here:
                  http://www.dm-dobrov.ru/history/katyn/katyn-2.html
                  1. smile
                    smile 13 July 2012 05: 23
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                    Aleksys2
                    Alexey, excuse my familiarity - here it’s not very accepted ... but nevertheless - I would like to shake your hand!
                  2. ZuluS
                    ZuluS 13 July 2012 08: 48
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                    I got acquainted! Thanks! The subjective opinion of the author is controversial enough! At the same time, with his handicraft journalistic investigation, he casts doubt on the conclusions of the military prosecutor's office, experts (judging by the significance of the documents, they should have been of extra class)! Gorbachev, Yeltsin and the rest of the power elite of that period were unable to see everything that the author of this article saw with the naked eye !!! These documents were of great importance for the country's prestige !!! Their competent authorities had to check more than once !!! And if it had been a setup, as the author assures, it would not have been allowed to pass, and if they wanted to forge it, they would have done it so that the mosquito would not undermine the nose !!! And yet, when journalists with a worldwide reputation (or more or less well-known in their country) write about such things, from the pages of serious popular science publications, then yes, you can consider it as an option! And an unknown journalist from an unknown online publication, well, at least, causes sarcasm !!! But nevertheless you gave an argument, controversial, but an argument !!! Unlike BALABOL, with the self-explanatory nickname "smile"!
                    1. Aleksys2
                      Aleksys2 13 July 2012 10: 07
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                      Nevertheless, you have given an argument, controversial, but the argument


                      Interestingly, have you heard about the "Burdenko Commission"?
                      In general, read, enlighten:
                      http://rumera.ru/?p=1953
                      1. ZuluS
                        ZuluS 13 July 2012 17: 04
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                        TEXT OF THE DECISION OF THE COURT IN KATYN IN THE RUSSIAN LANGUAGE HERE - http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/767534.html
                        Edition - Сolonel Сassad gives extracts from the court decision !!
                        In general, read, educate! laughing
                      2. Aleksys2
                        Aleksys2 13 July 2012 22: 08
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                        Which court?
                      3. ZuluS
                        ZuluS 14 July 2012 02: 56
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                        European court.
                3. smile
                  smile 13 July 2012 05: 13
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                  ZuluS
                  Come on, dear, otherwise you have not heard. that I sit here mainly on the weekends, you see, besides the military review, I have other concerns ..... By the way, having not yet read your answer, I am grateful in advance - it would be a shame if I was late ....
                  The praise of a flea is probably important to a dog ... did you call me that before you insulted me that in return you benefited the animals? By the way - I was right, in advance, given that. what you later stated ........
                  So, in the case ..
                  1. You expressed your progressive opinion in response to the condemnation of the crimes of the Latvian Nazis ... we will not dissemble - everyone understands everything ... do you need to comment further?
                  2.Wahhh! A magnificent maxim, you say well .... Byad only in that. that uncle is a thief and a liar ... and at the same time ... dear - well, we are on you - you referred to absolutely unreliable sources - just to refer - and the funny thing is that I myself know about it .... I gave you a whole bunch of sources, even from one book (and I haven’t yet begun to stir up collective farmers) - did you master it? I don’t believe it - there’s too little time ... that means, sir .... again, as usual, you are lying ..... well, okay, this is not news ... I do not urge you to answer for your lies ... you do this you’ll not, by definition, have a conscience ... where the diamonds come from ... you can lie thesis and whatever ... maybe I will never learn this .. just to lie like that - you must have the appropriate gift ... apparently - I can’t lie like that ... even enviously ....
                  3. And here to hell to you in a basket! Shirokorad has four books on similar topics, not dozens, the bulk of artillery and its history, about the same number - the fleet ... in total ... forgot? Well, why such megalomania ... dozens ... even here you can’t get rid of your lies ... dodged badly, it’s not good to allow yourself to be caught ... a jamb ... anyone who wants to check it will expose ... ... well? .... repent? Well, say, got excited .... :))))))
                  I read your comment further .... damn, what are you ... stupid, chtol? ... No, really, it's a shame .... how can you blame me for not reading one of my favorite authors .... moreover, I read it in paper form ... I like it more .... or the thing is. that you casually examined him and realized that your arguments are valuable only to the followers of Alekseeva
                  4. Damn, honestly, screwing up my eyes in shame, I confess, I do not know who the Malan is .... on the Internet, as before, climb too lazy .... I want to answer faster ....
                  And about Katyn - I asked a very specific question in different variations .... basically it concerned the European Court of Justice .... what, hasn’t reached yet? Surely something is still unclear to you? .... okay, you’ll answer - I’ll finish it! ... Hey .... you take a time out ... huh ... get ready ... by the way, I say in advance - I have from tomorrow evening until noon on Sunday., Unfortunately, everything will be taken ..... .and there - leash weekend ....
                  By the way, the question is, why do you have the number of shot colors of the Polish intelligentsia (officers) - creative intelligentsia - well, they are confused in the testimony, like you - is constantly changing .... recently ... above, it was like that - 22 thousand .... what, this is from a special truth of love?
                  By the way .... Well Yeah, with whom we swore, in a personal message he told me that he was at work - two weeks out - work - there is work, we had to exchange video materials there .... for him - I would look. ... for you - no ... I still regret that you do not have the opportunity to be rude to my face .... and I listen :)))))) By the way, I'm small - 176cm ... 70 kg ... it seems that your loud disclosures are justified .... until he was rude to my face ..
                  Well, that was a digression ...
                  As for the artificial city of Holodomor ... I confess. after this phrase I didn’t read further - I confirm - the evil krmmunyaks raised the beast of the Holodomor ... nauskali him ... and the ent beast began to wander around cities and towns, grabbing at the throat of honest citizens with a question - what is your nationality? And if genetically checked? The pepper is clear, the bloody gebnya rightly nastropilali evil famine and he choked exclusively Ukrainians .... pure .. and those who 8/3 Ukrainians he strangled about tpk - 4/3 ... well, or something like that .. Probably, sometimes was wrong ...... wah!
                  I honestly admit - answering nirazu I didn’t get on the Internet ... and I want to sleep ... but I’ll answer about passports tomorrow ... in the lunch area, reasonably ... to this comment ..... come in at 2 Moscow time .. ... only, I'm afraid - you will not be happy ....
                  1. ZuluS
                    ZuluS 13 July 2012 08: 24
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                    Hahahahaha !!!! laughing I was wrong!!! I admit !!! You are not just BALABOL !!! You PI ... DABOL !!!! I have not met this yet !!! laughing So much to write and nothing about !!! One water !!! You have too high an opinion about yourself if you think that someone here knows your weekly schedule !!! laughing I do not know and I am not interested !!! It would be better if you answered at least one of my questions !!! To confirm your competence !!!
                    1) I did not quote! Comment! Where and how did I support the Nazis ??? BALABOL, the third time I ask you the same question !!!
                    2) "I gave you a whole bunch of sources" laughing show me one!
                    "even from one book ... have you mastered it?" laughing which book? call her !!!! laughing
                    ". well, how can you accuse me of not reading one of my favorite authors .... moreover, I read it in paper form ... I like it better" laughing laughing This is pi ... some kind of dec !!! How could you forget the name then? laughing
                    . "or the fact is that you just got acquainted with it ..." laughing I'm crying!!!! laughing How can I familiarize myself with the book, if I don’t even know which one you mean !!! laughing Ahahahahaha !!!!! laughing
                    None of your reasoned answers !!!!
                    3) Malanets is you !!! laughing There are already no options !!!
                    "And where did the UN General Assembly get the information ...?" - your question!!! 12.07.2012 at 16:11
                    "Where did the UN General Assembly get such data? And they counted! During Perestroika and after the collapse of the union, there was access to much more secret information than the deaths of millions of USSR residents from starvation! Films were filmed and books were written about this then! Then there was good tradition, to talk about crimes against their people, tried to repent, but not for long! "- my answer !!! 12.07.2012 at 20:57 And this despite the fact that you had to answer for your words, and instead asked a question !!! laughing
                    BALABOL, you never answered for your words, you wrote: "Victims of Stalinism, including those who more than deserve death, make up 20 million from the 53th year to the 2.6rd year ..." - your words?
                    I gave you the data only about the Holodomor (or as you call it, it doesn’t matter) in the USSR, according to Soviet sources that you trust, in your words! So according to these data, already 3 million !!! Only from hunger, about the rest of the mass destruction, you just thoughtfully kept silent !!! laughing Uffff !!! Prove the opposite, balabol, at least try !!! laughing
                    4) You really will achieve me !!!! laughing His stupidity !!! laughing
                    "By the way, the question is, why do you have the number of the executed color of the Polish intelligentsia (officers) - the creative intelligentsia - well, they are confused in the testimony, just like you - is constantly changing ... recently ... above, it was in my opinion - 22 thousands .. " laughing
                    "Poles - not in Katyn, but in general, much less were shot, and this is also a well-known fact for a long time, confirmed, in particular, by the recent decision of the European Court ...." - your words? Strange, there is no information anywhere about this decision of the European Court !!! But the fact that there were more than twenty thousand of them, I gave you examples in the form of links! That you ignored! Because you have nothing to answer !!! I understand, you yourself come up with facts, you refer to them (at best), and so that no one understands anything, you carry all sorts of nonsense in large quantities! This number will not work with me !!! BALABOL !!!
                    What does Daaaaa have to do with it, your complexion and the video that you exchange with someone, I did not understand and I don’t want to know that !!! Gives homosyatina !!! Which is likely, based on your manner, communication! With all this, you have no logic of narration !!!
                    "About the artificial Holodomor ... I confess. After this phrase I did not read further - I confirm - the evil Krmmunyaks raised the beast of the Holodomor ... spurred him on ... and the Enta beast began to wander around the cities and villages, grabbing the throat of honest citizens with a question - What is your nationality? And if I check genetically? Pepper is clear, the bloody gebnya correctly scuttled the evil Holodomor and he strangled only Ukrainians ... pure ... and those who were 8/3 Ukrainian and he choked about 4 / 3 ... well, or something like this ... probably sometimes wrong ...... wah! "- it remained a mystery to me, decipher it !!! laughing If you are hinting that I described the famine, only in Ukraine, then read my comments carefully !!! There about the whole union! I already wrote to you, you have problems with the perception of the text !!! You, along the way, do not understand what you are reading! Therefore, you can not answer a single question !!! Do not write me your comments !!!
                    Well, lastly !!! Your pearls !!! laughing". But about passports tomorrow I will answer ..." So you have not answered anything today !!! laughing laughing laughing
                    ".... only, I'm afraid - you won't be happy ..." Yes, I will wait, impatiently !!! The fact that you are a BALABOL, I understand, will not convince you back, so I do not count on the fact that you can answer for your words! But at least I will porridge from the heart !!! laughing
                    1. smile
                      smile 13 July 2012 13: 56
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                      ZuluS
                      1 . I have already answered this question - see above.
                      2. I understand. why didn’t you want to press a few keys and find the name of Shirokorad’s book on this topic - it’s inconvenient for you to write ... ahhh, the kids didn’t put candy in their mouths ... on, eat - An irreconcilable neighborhood, Russia and Poland are a thousand-year-old vendetta, Long-time the argument of the Slavs. Russia. Poland. Lithuania ... convicted me that I do not remember the exact name of the books ... hero! There are a couple more books there - but I don’t have them in my library - be kind, find it in Google yourself ....
                      On June 3.18, 2012, the European Court ruled that the “documents” provided under Gorbachev and Yeltsin, indicating that Stalin and the Soviet side were responsible for the execution of tens of thousands of Polish officers at Katyn, were fake. The court refused to the plaintiffs - the Poles, to recognize Russia - (USSR) guilty of the execution of Polish officers .... what, too, will be too lazy to type in Google? It was on such and such fakes that all the conclusions of all UN General Assemblies were built ... therefore, shove all your references about the executions of Polish officers in the ass and tryndi on this topic only after appealing the decision of such an authoritative court for you ... Already shoved or still admiring facts picked out of your nose?
                      Regarding the famine .... at about the same time, but a little earlier, the same famine with about the same number of victims happened in the USA, did we also arrange it there to finish off the slipping Ukrainians? Google in hands - search and read, but not ... tryndi ....
                      The only thing. what I must admit .... the only thing .... from all your brachology - really did not know. that it was the mandatory passportization that was introduced at the time indicated by you .... of course, not all collective farmers were deprived of them until the age of 76 ... but ... here you are, amazingly. turned out to be right ... unlike everything else ..
                      And the last ... I am far from thinking. that you are stupid ... no, you are smart. which means. that you are just a brazen liar, hiding behind his many links ... I'm not going to convince you of anything, you already know that I'm right .... free! I already gave you too much time ....
                      1. ZuluS
                        ZuluS 13 July 2012 17: 02
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                        Yes, BALABOL, you are also slow-witted !!! laughing Again you have a tantrum, again posturing !!!
                        1) You did not answer any question !!!! Where is the quote of my Nazi support? FOR THE FOURTH TIME I ask you !!! laughing
                        2) "I understand. Why you didn't want to press a few keys and find the title of Shirokorad's book ..." - If you refer to something, then name at least what exactly, give the name !!! Each book has a title, and since you have not read it, you cannot name it! The book cannot be called "well, this one, well, which I read, well, you understand!" I don’t have a melaphone, I don’t read your thoughts, but I’m sure that you haven’t read anything, but you know about the book by hearsay !!! As well as about everything else !!!
                        3) "On June 18, 2012, the European Court ruled that the" documents "presented under Gorbachev and Yeltsin, indicating that Stalin and the Soviet side were guilty of the execution of tens of thousands of Polish officers at Katyn ..." my question was born a long time ago! Asked and like a stone fell from his shoulders !!! Have you read the text of the court decision ??? Most likely no!!! Like many bawlers here !!! On, Balabol, read in Russian !!!
                        TEXT OF THE DECISION OF THE COURT IN KATYN IN THE RUSSIAN LANGUAGE HERE - http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/767534.html
                        Edition - Сolonel Сassad gives extracts from the court decision !!
                        Here are excerpts from the text:
                        "The court concluded that the mass shooting of Polish prisoners of war was a war crime, since the obligation to treat prisoners of war humanely and the prohibition of killing were part of customary international law that the Soviet authorities were obliged to abide by."
                        “The court was struck by the apparent reluctance of the Russian authorities to recognize the reality of the Katyn massacre. Thus, the Russian military courts continued to maintain, contrary to established historical facts, that the applicants' relatives' disappeared 'in Soviet camps. This approach, in the Court's view, was an example of callous disregard for the interests of the applicants and an attempt to deliberately obscure the circumstances of the Katyn massacre. "
                        1) This "court" not only did not justify the USSR and did not expose the Goebbels concoction, as some who hastened to declare, who did not bother to read the conclusions of the court, but speaks of the guilt of the USSR as a matter of course, referring attention to the recognition of the highest state persons and the State Duma, which clearly testifies to the role played by the same "United Russia" in the defense of Goebbels' version.
                        2) "This court also pointed out that" no new evidence or evidence was found ", which is obviously not the case, since the demands to finally conduct an independent investigation of the Katyn case, which have been heard for several years in Russia itself, are based on to a whole complex of facts and evidence that, to put it mildly, undermine the German-Polish version, starting with an examination that established that Beria's letter was typed on two typewriters and ending with various testimonies, like Colonel Krivoy, which indicates that the Poles were quite alive in the summer of 1941 years when they were supposedly all shot. "
                        3) The position of the authorities is quite understandable - to blame the crimes attributed by Goebbels by the Nazis to the damned past and not to pay compensation for them. So from the point of view of fans of Dr. Goebbels’s version, the trial was a success - the guilt of the USSR was not even disputed !!!
                        With what a cross, Mr. Poltoranin, (to whom you refer) the famous balabol, like you, here saw the rehabilitation of the USSR, it is difficult to say. it’s necessary to be more attentive. laughing
                        4) Regarding the victims of Stalinism, you, as always, get out !!! And here is the United States and why do you think you are considering hunger only in Ukraine, the whole union was starving !!! And the victims, only from hunger (throughout the USSR), more than you indicated for all the years of Stalinism !!!! And then you have to admit yourself as a BALABOL !!!
                        "The only thing. I have to admit ... the only thing ... of all your nonsense - I really didn’t know. That it was the obligatory certification that was introduced in the time frame you specified .... certainly, not all collective farmers were deprived of them until 76 ... "- You DON'T KNOW FUCK, and not only about the certification in the USSR !!!! AND HOW CAN AN IDIOT AND A BALABOL WHO DOESN'T KNOW FUCKING DISCUSS THE PEOPLE who, at least, studied well at school and have more than one higher education and ARGUE WITH THEM ???? QUESTION OF QUESTIONS !!!!! You have never convincingly caught me of lying or not knowing what I wrote! And although I am not a know-it-all, but an ordinary person who can also be wrong, BUT I answer for my words and confirm them not with my conjectures, but argue with facts, unlike YOU, BALABOL !!!! laughing
                        Admit that you are a balabol or I promise you that at every opportunity I will refer to our correspondence so that every visitor to this site knows the value of your words and your competence in anything !!! laughing
                      2. smile
                        smile 13 July 2012 18: 41
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                        ZuluS
                        1. It would be strange. if such a biased court rejected the claim against Russia in view of that. that the evidence for such a necessary solution for its owners was sorely lacking. and those that were - fake. I didn’t try to soften my position with curtsies towards the Poles and emotional howls like “callous disregard” and “the court is amazed” ... which do not have any legal significance from a legal point of view - this is your favorite balabolism and nothing more. The main thing is the essence of the solution, not its form.
                        2. Shirokorad is easy to find - by typing his last name in Google and "Katyn", or "Poland - Russia" ... that's it! Or do I still need to teach you? You at least those. what did I tell you looked? No? Why are you trying? Or can’t it be otherwise? And you overpower yourself - take a look, it's useful ...
                        The position of the first persons of the state who framed us all with their apologies - and this was probably the most serious evidence in the court is explainable, although unacceptable!
                        3. The victims of hunger in the United States I mentioned because. that hunger was not only ours, and to a large extent depended on such trivial concepts as crop failure, and not on someone’s evil intrigues ... and do not pretend. that you do not understand, do not play the fool.
                        I'm not going to get out - do not hope. Not yet enough - in front of all trash ...
                        How many large letters and exclamation marks ... underneath there, touch it - not wet?
                        That's enough - I’ve gone to dogs, you’re not worthy to waste time on you.
                      3. ZuluS
                        ZuluS 13 July 2012 19: 00
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                        "You at least the ones that I called you looked?" - While you are online, you bastard bitch, list what you called me ???
                      4. smile
                        smile 13 July 2012 19: 16
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                        ZuluS
                        ! An irreconcilable neighborhood, Russia and Poland are a thousand-year-old vendetta,
                        2. The long-standing dispute of the Slavs. Russia. Poland. Lithuania
                        It would be worthwhile to read the comments that you criticize ... these books I indicated two comments ago, or one ... two more if you wish, you can find in two minutes, as I explained to you in the past, or the year before last. I don’t remember already ...
                        And stop distracting me, I told you the address where you should put the blame - well, let it go .... unfinished
                      5. ZuluS
                        ZuluS 13 July 2012 19: 39
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                        what date and at what time did you leave this comment, pi..doon ??
                      6. smile
                        smile 13 July 2012 20: 14
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                        ZuluS

                        Here is the copied snippet:

                        smile Today, 13:56 ↑ -1
                        ZuluS
                        1 . I have already answered this question - see above.
                        2. I understand. why didn’t you want to press a few keys and find the name of Shirokorad’s book on this topic - it’s inconvenient for you to write ... ahhh, the kids didn’t put candy in their mouths ... on, eat - An irreconcilable neighborhood, Russia and Poland are a thousand-year-old vendetta, Long-time the argument of the Slavs. Russia. Poland. Lithuania ... convicted me that I do not remember the exact name of the books ... hero! There are a couple more books there - but I don’t have them in my library - be kind, find it in Google yourself ....

                        Yeah, and what, all homosexuals are the same as you ..... inattentive?
                        When will you calm down, huh? Do not find. that by allegedly dullness you are discrediting your position more and more? Well, since, after all, will you go to hr_n, or will you dodge and try to invent some other trick? Would go already, the pipe is calling! :))))))))
                      7. ZuluS
                        ZuluS 13 July 2012 20: 34
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                        Get fucked up !!!! laughing I’ll probably tell you a big secret, but in your native language, in Russian, there are certain spelling rules: spelling, punctuation, etc. laughing
                        Only now, when you decoded me the whole set of words and dots, I realized what you had in mind !!! I took them for a meaningless set of words that you usually write !!! Learn to write correctly !!! Not only are you balabol, so even in those isolated cases when you give examples, it’s very difficult to parse anything !!!
                        The rule of the name of literary works.
                        Quotation marks stand out:
                        names of literary works, newspapers, magazines, paintings, musical works and the like: the novel "The Eve", the magazine "New World", the picture "Morning in a Pine Forest";
                      8. smile
                        smile 13 July 2012 21: 03
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                        ZuluS
                        I thought so. even about the same text, only you wrote a lot more - is not laziness?
                        You are not a complete idiot - you all perfectly understood ... so. that excuse did not pass. although the persistence I appreciated. :))))) And so you spent a lot of time on you, you still demand from me that I follow all spelling and punctuation rules and carefully look for my typos? - you’ll manage, everything was clear to you, it’s obvious, considering that how you pretend to be a dumbass
                        Well, that's it, now you can go to hr_n with a light soul - the conversation is over.
                      9. ZuluS
                        ZuluS 13 July 2012 21: 14
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                        So that? Everything is blown away, pi ... sdun? laughing Can't you take a break anymore?

                        Change your nickname to "balabol" !!! laughing And nobody will touch you !!!
                        Scarecrow pea !!! laughing
                      10. ZuluS
                        ZuluS 13 July 2012 21: 06
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                        Can’t you answer for the rest?
                      11. Morani
                        Morani 13 July 2012 23: 36
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                        smile is one of the local narcissistic hollow breeds with latent inclinations. Loser.
                      12. ZuluS
                        ZuluS 14 July 2012 03: 00
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                        That is the word! Exactly! EMPTY !!! laughing And have you noticed the inclinations too? laughing So I was not mistaken !!! laughing
                      13. smile
                        smile 14 July 2012 03: 12
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                        Morani
                        Well, why did you climb here ... really, like a cockroach, I’m celebrating my birthday for the second time in my half of a three-story building ..... and you ... not a user, what? ..... .
                        in fact, I only say this to you, it is important for people like you .... but I once lived in different ways .... and repair and maintenance of the house in an appropriate condition - it’s still a mess ... and let’s remove it .... finally tryndets! Do you know a dust cure? No? Fuck - you're not interesting!. I'm not a builder ...... but still take your sting out of my ass - I don’t like it .... by the way - well done Indian, a serious opponent (if an Indian reads - anyway - go, sir, where you were sent) ...... verbal ....... and you something - compost! Take the snout back!
                      14. ZuluS
                        ZuluS 14 July 2012 03: 39
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                        "in his half of a three-story building .." - Are you a bum ??? laughing
                        "But take your sting out of my ass all the same ..." - Well, you see, little by little, a little bit of truth will come out !!! You are a bum, planokur, hollow, and indulge in your "hollow" !!! fellow laughing Ahahahaha !!! And you tell everything yourself !!! What for? What to share with no one else? laughing Or do you have verbal incontinence? laughing
                      15. smile
                        smile 15 July 2012 02: 14
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                        ZuluS
                        ...... damn it, it's hard to call me homeless ..... but of course you can ....... honestly, I didn’t read further ....... would help to get out .... if you determine. where does the dust come from ..... I’m afraid you will get an international prize .....
                      16. ZuluS
                        ZuluS 15 July 2012 05: 26
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                        This was an example of the manner of your comments, about nothing, illogical and insulting !!! I hope you will draw conclusions !!! fellow
                      17. smile
                        smile 15 July 2012 03: 34
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                        Morani
                        You really .... could and calm down ..... sure you know the meaning of the word "latent"? For the context makes you doubt ...
                        and about daffodils ...- pretty flowers .... not even smell good .... but not for long ..... but I'm much worse than a flower ..... I suspect that you understand this without my comments .. .. well, never tryndi!
                      18. smile
                        smile 14 July 2012 03: 01
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                        ZuluS
                        Damn, the second time I celebrate my birthday, the real one was July 8 .... 41 years ... sad ... Odessa woman obliged to celebrate again (and I warned her - I will refer to her ... but did not warn that I would report this to such crap like you) ... a full house of guests ...... I promised her that I would refer to her ... referred ..... good mood .. and showed you ..... Why aren’t you on the subject I sent you to yet?
                        But seriously, I’m surprised that you, poor thing, are trying, you write as many as two comments ....... I would have scored .... I scored, but showed the guests correspondence, it is instructive ..... yes don’t be blown away ... go ahead ... the Japanese in this case say - shigata ha nai .....- what does it matter ........ the main thing - have time to close up during the barrel - and it doesn’t matter, where a muzzle is formed for you .... but the explosion will be ....... nauseous ...... in principle, everything matches you ....... relax ... it started so well ... .and so crap in the end ..... sympathize .........
                      19. ZuluS
                        ZuluS 14 July 2012 03: 29
                        -2
                        Hahahahaha !!!!!! laughing EMPTY, show this correspondence to as many people as possible !!! Do them a favor !!! The item that you write about is longed only for you !!! laughing What I have no doubt !!! And apparently, I'm not alone !!!!
                        About birthdays, Odessa, guests did not understand a damn thing !!! Learn to write and express your thoughts correctly !!! You have big problems with this !!! laughing
                        "I would have scored .... I scored ..." - And I think, what are you constantly talking nonsense! Are you scribbling comments ??? laughing Again inaudible, what are you writing about? Interesting even! About your hollow? This is not interesting to me !!! With these conversations not to me !!!! laughing
                      20. smile
                        smile 15 July 2012 02: 23
                        -1
                        ZuluS
                        Damn ..... you know, I’m surprised at how petty you are ..... I’ve shown you to my friends as a worthy opponent .... and you ... paraffinized ... completely. .... you are even sorry ......
                        indeed, I’ve gone to hell, and live there ...... sorry ....
                      21. ZuluS
                        ZuluS 15 July 2012 05: 30
                        0
                        Hahahahahaha !!!! laughing You bragged about me to your friends ??? Means hurt !!!! I think you will be more adequate in the future, and if not, then I'll come back for you !!! And again you will search for the "fifth corner" !!! laughing
                      22. Morani
                        Morani 14 July 2012 11: 50
                        -2
                        Oh, smile - Ulki, Big, Very Circle crawled out. Well, come on, justify that it’s not a loser. It is entertaining. You clearly react to provocations - as a kindergarten girl. Narcissism and latency from all of your holes rushing. Based on the analysis of comments, the conclusion is unequivocal - an unbalanced psyche (this is a mild option); alcoholism or worse. What mom with a folder from the Baltic states do not leave (there is pipets)? What language is the Statute of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania written in? The touchy Miracle in the cube.
                      23. smile
                        smile 15 July 2012 02: 44
                        -1
                        Morani
                        Damn, and you're right, I react quickly to provocations .. and clearly and currencies provokatoov on takeoff ..... With great pleasure I read your further .... verbiage ... I answer - they beat! I really don’t know how to wash my house ...... three floors ...... I use one and boast that my floor is a rag every day ... I'm lying in a day .... but floors three ..... this is for you - it is important, for normal people - I make excuses - men ... but I did live for a long time without any housing at all .... and I wouldn’t pi_ create this on this topic ..... but for morality is important ... right? - Not in vain you called me a loser?
                        You know, I, unfortunately, am not rich ....... and, you imagine, I sometimes do not have money. But how shallow you are ........ you are not even sorry!
                      24. Morani
                        Morani 15 July 2012 12: 29
                        0
                        Hello, smile - Ulki, Big, Very Circle!
                        Quote: smile
                        and currency provokatoov on take-off ....

                        It looks like you can only "blame" in the corner of your untidy house.
                        Quote: smile
                        I brag about the fact that my floor is a rag every day ... I'm lying in a day ...

                        This is interesting for everyone - I don’t want to sleep. Complications with the psyche are noticeable. Try to communicate with a living and adequate person (not a drinker).
                        Quote: smile
                        sometimes I don’t have money.

                        Stop thumping and a penny will appear. Take care of the household. Pull up the house (look on the net for how or talk to handy men) and there will be no dust.
                        Quote: smile
                        you don't even feel sorry!

                        I'm sorry for you! Honestly! Miracle Balabolkin
                      25. Oleg0705
                        Oleg0705 15 July 2012 13: 01
                        -2
                        Morani,

                        What the hell are you interfering with? You are like that negative hero from Mowgli, if you remember, well, the one who squealed “and we will go north” nailed themselves and yelled badly. Waited for the moment to fall? Most weak? Shahan found yourself?
                      26. Morani
                        Morani 15 July 2012 15: 23
                        +1
                        Hi Oleg0705 (so far, interrogate I will greet you as an emoticon)!
                        Quote: Oleg0705
                        What the hell are you interfering with?

                        Turn on the brain Shake it up - it's the Internet (I’m not paying attention to rudeness yet)
                        Quote: Oleg0705
                        You are like that negative hero from Mowgli, if you remember, well, the one who squealed “and we will go north” nailed themselves and yanked badly.

                        In this situation, more suited to you, alas
                        Quote: Oleg0705
                        Shahan found

                        Out of the water, vaguely, the tiger was called the Sherkhan. Shahan, like somewhere, some kind of settlement. I’m not calling you a devil.
                      27. Oleg0705
                        Oleg0705 15 July 2012 15: 52
                        -3
                        Hello, just in case, oh you identity for spelling? I don’t want to call you a miscarriage or an abortion victim. And even so, you’re running after a striped one.
                      28. Oleg0705
                        Oleg0705 15 July 2012 17: 40
                        -2
                        Damn, I already nichrome not understanding who is who ?? belay masks maskmascomaskimaskimaskimaskimaskimaskimaskimaskimaskimaskimaski
                        maskmaskimskimskimskimskimskimskimskimskimskimskimskimi
                        belay
                      29. smile
                        smile 15 July 2012 14: 12
                        -2
                        Morani
                        Oh, Morani, if all the enemies were as stupid as you, how much more fun it would be for us to live .... :))))))
                        Thank you for the advice :)))) but I have to disappoint - the concept of no money is very relative and everyone has their own horizons. :)))))) .. Got it? ... my coat is in quite good condition ... thanks for very valuable advice, now I am your debtor! :)))))))) And the dust is an unkillable thing ..... and even such a great person as you can’t solve this problem ... I grieve with you ... :))))))
                        Don’t you drink? Do not smoke? ... I think so. mother forbade you to communicate with women? ... Well, yes .... then it is clear - there were men and wheels ... congratulations! worthy choice! Keep it up! :)))))))))
                      30. Morani
                        Morani 15 July 2012 15: 32
                        0
                        Hi, smile - twice latent Uloki BigVeryCircle!
                        Quote: smile
                        Don’t you drink? Do not smoke?..

                        In addition to recognizing alcoholism in your post there is nothing. Netherstorm remains valid.
                        Quote: smile
                        And dust is an unkillable thing .....

                        Ask smart people for advice. There is no time for booze? Keep on crawling like a woman with a dirty rag yes Miracle in the cube
                      31. smile
                        smile 15 July 2012 16: 35
                        -2
                        Morani (
                        Hello to you too. I would understand you if you would argue with me on a case ... and so ... why are you writing this? Is it really so interesting for you to swear so simply? This is strange .... Well, yes, sometimes I like vodka for herring and whiskey just like that, I love women and generally love life! ... imagine, I like to even scream at the stadium in good company, although I am indifferent to football ... and Do you like anything, huh? For example, I am absolutely indifferent. what are you and there is absolutely no desire to convict you of how you live, what you drink and, basically, don’t put your hands in putting things in order in your house, this is not a must-have thing ....
                        You even have curses that are diverse ... maybe enough? Wait for some new article. about the content of which we will have different opinions - and swear to the fullest - the occasion will be quite enough ... And so ... somehow stupidly ....
                        I am taking my leave for the sim. for today my sitting on the site. unfortunately, it ends, even the work of writing is full .... so to speak. to a new sracha! :))))))))
                      32. smile
                        smile 15 July 2012 03: 25
                        -1
                        ZuluS
                        Judging by your hysterical reaction, you really read Shirokorada .... Abaaasratsaaaa ....... and not too lazy to write you a bunch of comments? ... You were, I remember sent ..... well, live there! where they sent you! ...
                      33. ZuluS
                        ZuluS 15 July 2012 05: 34
                        -1
                        You again crawled out from under the shkonka hollow ??? Anu climb back !!! Fu !!! A place!!! laughing Stuffed pea laughing and this is not an insult, just a statement of fact !!! laughing But kicking you is fun !!! laughing
                      34. smile
                        smile 15 July 2012 13: 53
                        0
                        ZuluS
                        And I remember quite recently you wrote the longest and not without humor monologues .... and now what did it degenerate into? .... what is the terminology of what it costs .... what, the ass hurts? ... :)))))
                        Can you still admit that he overlooked at least one of the books of the Shirokorada that I have indicated? I am sure that you could not stand it! :)))))
                        Come on. do not worry - everyone is good .... ktozh is not mistaken .... I do not even insist very strongly on your early return to the place where you sent you ...... yeah, our srach finally moved into the stage - "the fool himself" , it's time to finish - I don't intend to answer you here anymore ...
                      35. ZuluS
                        ZuluS 15 July 2012 15: 31
                        +2
                        I wrote you "the longest and not devoid of humor monologues ...." counting on a full-fledged dialogue, naively believing that by providing you with the facts I can show the situation from a different angle, but, but, but ... !!!! When I realized that you are a hollow, to whom the truth is not important, because you are turned on by your own empty comments, sometimes devoid of any sense, that you have only superficial knowledge in most questions, and you are trying to cover up your gaps with groundless, illogical insults, then, accordingly, the desire to conduct a dialogue with you is gone, so mock, showing others who you really are !!! Shirokorad will definitely read it !!! I support alternative views on events !!! The world is not black and white, but saturated with a palette of colors and shades !!! You will learn to understand this, you will cease to be limited by idle talk !!!
  28. Stasi.
    Stasi. 10 July 2012 17: 00
    +7
    I completely agree, article +! There is nothing to say about these Baltic fascists, one can only say - inglorious ki! Strictly according to Tarantino. This is how they will remain in history, no matter how they rewrite it and try to whitewash the atrocities of the Nazis. When all these Balts crawl to us on their knees, for the European Union will soon order us to live a long time, and they should definitely be given a kick in the ass and from the gate to be fed from someone. Let America feed them. As for the Georgians, it is well known how they lived in the USSR: they lived great. In terms of luxury, only the Baltics could compete with Georgia. In the USSR, there was even such an aphorism about Georgian luxury: "What is one hundred Soviet rubles? This is one Georgian ruble." This is how Georgia flourished.
    1. Lech e-mine
      Lech e-mine 10 July 2012 17: 42
      +7
      I will never have reconciliation with the Balts while they make the heroes of these NON-PEOPLE.
    2. Saqartvelo
      Saqartvelo 10 July 2012 18: 46
      -7
      You, as I observe, and most of the members of the forum, experts on Georgia (and the whole of the former USSR), yes?
      So confidently talk about a country in which most of you most likely have never been that you will envy your self-confidence. yes
      1. smile
        smile 10 July 2012 19: 08
        +2
        Saqartvelo
        I lived in the Baltic states for 17 years. my parents live there. I speak and write fluently in one of the Baltic languages. Naturally, traveled all over the Baltic. I live in Kaliningrad ... I assure you, I am much more familiar with her than you. As well as with the rest of Europe ... And believe me. if our compatriots would come here more often. living there - you would be ashamed to give a hint about their support .... well, it would be if you had the conscience and the courage to admit your mistakes ....
        I have a direct question for you - do you approve of the atrocities of the police and Soviet forces of the Baltic states, a couple of orders higher than all the achievements there of our bad gebists for half a century, or condemn?
        From your comments, it seems. follows. What do you approve ..... So how?
        1. Saqartvelo
          Saqartvelo 10 July 2012 23: 04
          -6
          If civilians were killed, I do not approve unambiguously, but you approve of the occupation of these three states, and what followed after that?
          Do you approve of the conversion of Keningsberg to Kaliningrad?
          Do you approve of the occupation of Georgia? Do you approve of the actions of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation that led to the expulsion of several hundred thousand ethnic Georgians from their homes? And what about your fellow citizens who directly killed several thousand children, women and the elderly just because of their ethnic passage?
          1. smile
            smile 12 July 2012 16: 23
            0
            Saqartvelo
            It is very good that you do not approve of the actions of the Baltic independence fighters ...
            There was no occupation of the returned former territories of Russia. Holding individuals accountable. Any normal person welcomes those involved in committing crimes against humanity and those who collaborate with them.
            That. that we are in the 19th and 20th centuries without asking Abkhazians. Ossetians, Adzhartsev annexed them to Georgia - I do not approve - otherwise you would have no reason to consider these lands as yours ... our fault. But we corrected the mistake. By preventing the genocide of the population of Abkhazia and Ossetia and helping them gain independence ....
            Our military did not kill civilians, especially on ethnic grounds, it is either your deliberate lie. or you succumbed to the intentional lies of your propaganda .....
          2. Kostya pedestrian
            Kostya pedestrian 15 July 2012 14: 51
            0
            Are you talking about Georgian-psychopath-NTV ??? Beria speak. Personally, he is not my compatriot, but to you?

            Are you talking about the French-English occupation of Georgia? So you are occupied right now - you are begging across Europe and various contests specially created for "the best democratizers" for fun to your new owners, and we have I.V. Stalin is the most expensive genatsvali who united the people in the struggle against the fascist beast. And Georgian cuisine and hospitality is a legend of the USSR.

            Könningsberg is a fortress captured by the Nazis in the city of Kaliningrad with territories where Prussians from time immemorial lived the same Slavs Baltic as Belarusians, Novgorodians, and Leningadians once treacherously captured by the crusaders ...

            By the way your flag? So how is your crusade against the Saracens?

            Unhappy peaceful Lebanese, Egyptians, and Syrians exposed to your technology of steaming and destroying the educated Aboriginal elite!
      2. Lech e-mine
        Lech e-mine 10 July 2012 19: 11
        +3
        and here respected self-confidence - you are now in the power of a finished drug addict and psychopath, first deal with your Führer. Until he pokes around with you, it's hard to find a common language.
        1. Saqartvelo
          Saqartvelo 11 July 2012 00: 50
          -4
          Kremlin agitation. Prop in action.
          1. Lech e-mine
            Lech e-mine 11 July 2012 12: 35
            0
            AGIT.PROP US STATE DEPARTMENT is also in action.
  29. darkman70
    darkman70 10 July 2012 17: 18
    +7
    But still, the Soviet government was very soft. Even in the days of Stalin.
    Otherwise, now there would be no one to march on.
    1. ZuluS
      ZuluS 10 July 2012 19: 53
      -6
      Was Stalin soft? Are you, dear, mumaligas overeating? Do you have such words as the Gulag, enemies of the people, repressions of the 37th year, the NKVD, say something?
      "Otherwise, there would be no one to march with now." If your beliefs are based only on this statement, then do not answer, you should not bother yourself and me !!!!
  30. pribolt
    pribolt 10 July 2012 18: 48
    +4
    These Baltic "heroes" distinguished themselves in Belarus and the Pskov region, and this cannot be justified by any "occupation".
    1. Roman Dmitriev
      Roman Dmitriev 10 July 2012 21: 07
      +2
      What occupation are you talking about? I want to do the same: they’ll quickly rebuild the house destroyed by the war, give them well-paid jobs, there will be free medicine and cheap medicine, children will receive a free education (up to a higher education), and your region will be considered almost abroad.
  31. zadorin1974
    zadorin1974 10 July 2012 20: 47
    +3
    I think history will return everything to normal: Caesar Caesarean and the Balts will answer and everything will work out in Russia and fire frenzied dogs — when they rush at people (BTW EUROPE DOESN'T LEFT TO LIVE IN LOVE FOR DEMOCRACY -LUUPEN-NABIERATH-NABERATH-BAT)
  32. Uncle
    Uncle 10 July 2012 21: 50
    +5
    Quote: ZuluS
    more than 20 thousand unarmed only in Poles alone and only in Katyn

    Tired already with his Katyn! Remember Khatyn, as they burned the inhabitants of two villages in sheds. They didn’t shoot the military, but burned the women and children alive! For each of your Katyn we will expose a hundred Khatyn! Refute, if you can, Majdanek, Auschwitz, Buchenwald, Salaspils, Treblinka ..... Well, what else can you say? !!! Name at least one Nazi crime like that of the NKVD? Where were people tested, where children were bled, where pillows were stuffed with hair? In the USSR and the Gulag? Who testifies that the NKVD burned people in furnaces? In short, the crimes of the NKVD and fascism are not comparable !!! And there’s nothing to say, like, but the Russians are also to blame. Such atrocities as the Nazis and their Baltic minions did not create Russia, even in the most vengeful dreams. Kill the enemy, gnaw with teeth, strangle, but do not put the children in the gas chamber, the mother is opposite, and, letting gas out, watch the mother how she reacts to the agony of her little ones.
    1. ZuluS
      ZuluS 11 July 2012 07: 23
      -6
      Have you balabolov that your period has begun? What kind of tantrums? Hey! Uncle? And squeal like an aunt! Why should I be in charge of concentration camps? Explain if you can !!! Whom do you mean by the glories "your", "your"?
      Indeed, the Bolsheviks did not burn anyone in the ovens, but to starve entire regions and republics for two years, cynically taking everything they could, this is a fact !!! Gas stoves are as good as cannibalism, where the family killed the children and ate one by one to survive! And these were not isolated cases, but regular murders, for survival! There is a lot of information, you just need a desire! Have you read about children in Stalin's camps? Before it was announced that "the son is not responsible for the father"! Show me where I accuse the Russians of crimes? I accuse Stalinism and Bolshevism of terror against the people! Communism, Stalinism and Fascism have no nationality !!! The Bolsheviks destroyed no less civilians than the Nazis! There is no difference in how they killed, except in humanity, if you can call it that! The Nazis were responsible for what they had done, and when will these bastards answer?
      1. Pushkar
        Pushkar 14 July 2012 09: 53
        +2
        Pan Norwegian migrant worker, Khatyn was destroyed by your "heroes", Bendera. Driving to cannibalism is, of course, terrible. But your fellow countrymen also ate children, not the NKVD. And leave the songs about the horrors of Stalinism for yourself, all this on the territory of Little Russia was created by your fellow countrymen. The family of my grandmother was slaughtered into the civil service by your self-styled, because they are not Ukrainians. Crimes on your Nazis are like fleas on a dog, that's why you defend the Waffen SS. Anyway, you now have a larger percentage of the population than under Stalin.
        1. ZuluS
          ZuluS 14 July 2012 16: 19
          +1
          Syarozha, not everyone who is abroad is guest workers !!! And not all Ukrainians are migrant workers !!! Although I see nothing wrong with working abroad !!! Tell someone else about your grandmother, but read about Stalinism! It is a shame in the 21st century to doubt the atrocities of the Bolsheviks and to irony over their victims !!! Woodpecker, where did you see what I wrote in defense of the Waffen SS? fool Or balabol laurels;) Do not give rest?
  33. se-ma
    se-ma 10 July 2012 23: 09
    +1
    Poles in the 17-18 centuries carried out the genocide of the Ukrainian population.

    in the 20s they destroyed Russian prisoners of war, and now they are only shouting about Katyn. Although the snout themselves down.
    1. Morani
      Morani 10 July 2012 23: 47
      0
      Ukrainians did not remain in debt
  34. Magadan
    Magadan 11 July 2012 04: 54
    +5
    Yeah .... Here some have to prove that brushing your teeth in the morning is good, but being a Nazi SS is bad ....
    So, for the fact that the rulers of the Baltic republics voluntarily became part of the USSR, and the peoples of the Baltic states elected Communists as deputies, the current generation of the Baltic states has an excuse to justify their SS bastards ....
    I am wrong? Do not elect the Baltic Communists? Made the Baltic states SECRETLY VOTE FOR THE COMMUNISTS?
    They call this "occupation". The fact that thanks to the USSR and only the USSR, the whole world is not sitting in a ghetto now, that's okay, for this you can not thank. We are accustomed to saving other peoples, including GEORGIANS from the general massacre by the Turks, and then being spat upon by the descendants of the saved ...
    But the logic itself is amazing. For an "occupation" that has not been proven (where is the evidence that the results of the Baltic vote for the communists were rigged?) ... but even if there was one, this occupation in fact, do you think that this is a reason to be a fascist?
    If the USSR sent someone to the Gulag, then our grandfathers paid with their blood for the jambs of the Bolsheviks, saving all of Europe from the Nazis, who killed and sent them to concentration camps simply because the person was not Aryan!
  35. cool.ya-nikola
    cool.ya-nikola 12 July 2012 14: 31
    +2
    It is surprising that such a "broad" patriot as "Zulu" settled so far from "Ridnaya Nenka"! Probably big is seen at a distance! As for the conduct of polemics on the site, well, what to take from it - he is "Zulu" and in Norway - Zulu! In the Verkhovna Rada they have it so! According to television reports, one can understand that the most powerful argument among Ukrainian parliamentarians in the 21st century remains a vulgar scuffle! At the risk of being reputed to be non-rewarding, I cannot but cite a quote attributed to Alexander III according to legend: "... Little Russians are the same Russians, only badly spoiled by the Poles ..." Judging by the "Zulu" and Norwegians too! Hence the pathological rejection of everything "bskogo" (Well, except for gas, of course! This is sacred!)
    1. ZuluS
      ZuluS 12 July 2012 22: 56
      -2
      Yes, you're right, a lot is seen from the outside !!! I live in Ukraine, I wander around the world, on business! What, enviable? You want to crap, but you don't know how to do it? You need to read more, broaden your horizons! And so and so my nickname used, and what I wanted to say by this remained a mystery! Well, the Zulu and what's next? And what have I to do with the massacre in the Rada? Is your logic okay? I do not know who the non-treating people are, but you, along the way, are still the non-treating ones !!! So take the risk, you have nothing to lose! And be consistent in your statements, point out where I showed my "pathological rejection" of everything (I don’t understand in a non-creative way) I think you meant Russian? And the gas is Russian, not Russian !!! laughing Some of you are not very smart, netolanty !!! This is probably the same Russian, only badly spoiled by the Mongol Tatars! Guessed?
      1. Kostya pedestrian
        Kostya pedestrian 15 July 2012 15: 10
        +1
        You are right "Friend"
        In Ukraine, wherever you look, everywhere this occupation is fancied:
        Lions built by Lithuanians with Poles. Kiev Rusich. Sevastopol - by the Russians.
        Shevchenko is Russian. Khmelnitsky - Lithuanian. Daniil Galitsky - sister of the Slovenian prince to the Russian Nevsky

        One Bandera, and these as their SSs from the Khalichin Legion, are the national treasure of the Samosti.

        Previously, these were the main heroes only for those of our compatriots, to whom, at 45, the Russian soldier pointed the direction with his boot, to the WEST, do you go there and worship your Aryan god and his losers?
        I envy!
        1. ZuluS
          ZuluS 15 July 2012 16: 30
          0
          The answer is one for you - the clinic !!!! laughing Are you taking a rehabilitation course in Australia? laughing Why didn’t you emigrate to Russia or stay in Ukraine? Damnator! In Ukraine, I have never heard talk of occupation! Figured it out myself? laughing
  36. wulf66
    wulf66 12 July 2012 21: 48
    +2
    CREATURES ... Somehow I myself remembered who was the most faithful part of the Red Guard for Trotsky and Ulyanov in 1917 ... The Balts, by their very nature, were prostitutes and, understanding their impunity, were very eager to pour the blood of Slavic peoples ...
  37. Maryna Nyvedava
    Maryna Nyvedava 14 July 2012 00: 20
    0
    The Baltics have always been well-suited to the words: "We have our own atmosphere here, you know."
  38. crambol
    crambol 14 July 2012 10: 45
    0
    A fascist is a fascist. And in the case (God forbid!) They will get mess for everything!
  39. cool.ya-nikola
    cool.ya-nikola 14 July 2012 18: 01
    +1
    Mr. Zulu! "I live in Ukraine, I wander around the world, on business!" Then, the question is - from what hangover do you have a Norwegian flag in your comments? Is this for heightened authority, or are you ashamed of your "zhovto-blakitny"? Then it would be more logical to hang out the flag of South Africa, where your fellow tribesmen, the Zulu, live mainly! As for the logic, I will probably agree. Our "skaya" logic has nothing in common with the "zapadenskaya" logic, your logic is incompatible with the ordinary, human one. Well, by example, your logic, for example, when your president puffs out his cheeks and declares: "The price of Russian gas is unacceptable for us!" Well, unacceptable, so unacceptable, do not buy in Russia, buy in Norway, well, there in the Emirates, but even in Burkina Fasso - as they say "the collective farm is voluntary!", We will certainly cry (well, how can you lose such a client!) , no matter how we will survive! For me, for example, the price of a Ferrari is very unacceptable, but it seems to me that this does not give me the right to go to Italy, to grab Silvio Berlusconi by the beard and not ask, but to demand that he bring the price of Ferrari to the price "Zaporozhets" (sorry - "Tavria"). But that would be ours, in Zulu!
    Thank you very much for pointing out (with your usual tact and politeness) my typo in the word "tolerance." Well, it happens, I confess, we have such bloopers "for her". But in fairness, this happens even with presidents. Remember how your previous president, Mr. Yushchenko, told "hail and the world" about his poor daddy, who only learned the taste of real coffee while in German captivity! And then historians all the time did not give rest, the question, why are German submariners all the time making their raids to Brazil. And the riddle lay on the surface, but for coffee for Mr. Yushchenko - senior!
    Regarding Shirokorad: - I report - the book is called: "Russia and Ukraine. When the cannons start talking ..." By the epigraph - a quote from Orwell "1984" "Who controls the past, controls the future. Who controls the present, controls the past", Read, read, I think you will like it! (Although I'm afraid in your case it is useless!). Since judging by your rating, before the general acceptance and approval of your ideas and theses by the Russian-speaking audience, you are as far away as the people say "Like cancer to Kiev", don't you think that with your "good" and " with a convincing "manner of conducting a dialogue, you are more like an evil child whose principle of conducting a dispute is" well, I can’t bite, because I’ll even throw a piece of shit at my opponent! " Balm for your soul, exhausted by constant tossing and moving! So, continue your mournful labors in matters of history, and success to you in accumulating poison to answer your opponents! You look, for your services to the "Fatherland" you will receive a monument from grateful fellow tribesmen somewhere near Bandera and Shukhevych! Glory to heroes!
    1. ZuluS
      ZuluS 15 July 2012 07: 07
      0
      Well, start with the fact that I live in the south of Ukraine! I’ve been to the west, but on my way and on business !!! As for the flags, what does he give you so much peace ???
      "I live in Ukraine, I wander around the world, on business!" Then, the question is - from what hangover do you have a Norwegian flag in your comments? "
      So you yourself answered your own question! Or do you boast of your ingenuity? Well done! What else to say? I praise !!!!
      Yes, I have been to South Africa, and more than once !!! Communicated with the Zulus !!! In general, I have visited a lot and, God willing, I will visit! And I talked a lot with someone, saw a lot of things, not by a zombie man like you, but by my own eyes !!! I assure you, the difference is huge !!! That’s why I argue that most of the comments are left behind by goggles who just need to shout a hackneyed phrase to get approving reviews !!! And what is the conversation that they are discussing is not important, and it’s hard to understand !!! They don’t like people who have an alternative opinion, they are immediately accused of fascism and even the devil knows what !!! That's why I have gray epaulettes! And I'm not worried! Better to be a seropogon, than a herd !!! I met very few adequate people with green epaulets, bye !!! Although to whom do I explain this? laughing
      Regarding our presidents, I treat with charity both one and the other !!! Like your stubs !!! I respected and respect Kuchma, but then again, to whom do I explain this?
      As for gas, you, in Russia, have inflated such an information bubble! If you talk with an average Ukrainian, then you’ll understand that to us all these tantrums of the current government about gas prices! Attention!!! I give information that can blow your brain !!! Ukraine produces about 20 billion cubic meters of its own gas per year !!! And now significant efforts are being made to increase production! And they will increase it! Such gas giants as Shell and Chevron have won tenders for the development of shale gas !!! They are developing the Black Sea shelf with the most modern drilling rigs (while one second will be soon, already purchased) Look at the information for yourself, there is a lot of it and I don’t see any reason to retype it !!! But the fact that Ukraine will buy less gas every year is without a doubt !!! Already announced a decline in purchases !!! Let's get back to our sheep !!! Why do our authorities shout about gas and make hysteria? And everything is very simple, the gas that is produced in Ukraine, the oligarchs use at their plants and factories, and there are really a lot of them in Ukraine !!! The cost of our gas is about 70 bucks, while Russian is 450 or something like that (taking into account the gas discount of $ 100 per base in Sevastopol, and so 550), but now the population is paying for your gas, which is very annoying! !! According to the government, this is similar to death, they are really soon khan! What is Tymoshenko sitting for? For signing an agreement with Russia, she, as in the entire civilized world, separated the people from the oligarchs! The people used their gas, but what was left + Russian gas was used by the oligarchs !!! But it’s not for the oligarchs, because having invested billions in Yanukovych, they are now robbing Ukraine, repelling investments! And everyone in Ukraine knows this very well, that's why they support Julia, the majority! What the upcoming elections will show! Why not talk about it in Russia? And probably because it’s more convenient for your government to think that we are all Bendera and are sleeping and see how to create the next orange revolution, thereby covering such crimes in Russia !! In fact, we are simply fighting for our rights and a normal life !!! What is prohibited by law in Russia !!! But this is your business, your country, so do it yourself !!! Note the Ukrainians do not go to you with advice, but without this you simply have no other problems! Where do we go and what to do! The question is, if everything really was so bad and neglected for us, why would we be so insistently pulled into the Customs Union ??? There is no need to answer these questions, this is for reflection !!! I don’t believe in the explanations of the type and I don’t advise you (I admit that I’m brotherly, but I don’t believe in arguments), too much is already saturated with billionth interests !!! A vivid example of Belarus !!! The expansion of its Russian oligarchy is frantic! Have you not noticed? Read, take an interest !!! Soon Father and mustache will be taken away !!!
      "As to Kiev with cancer" - you know better, I go there or fly by plane !!!
      Hamly to rams who understand only such a language! Or those who are rude to me first !!!
  40. Bugor
    Bugor 15 July 2012 13: 59
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    Zulus, your flag is Norwegian, you are a fan of gas, like yours, Ukraine, as I understand it, in the sphere of your interests, and have you ever seen a rig standing in Azov, huh? Who are you, anyway? Can you imagine how much crap a single platform makes? After all, no? You are an amateur who is only concerned with money and does not see the situation on the spot. Because of such amateurs, we swept the country.
    For reference: on the coast of the Kerch Strait, after I installed the drilling rig, I personally buried 8 !!!! EIGHT BODIES OF DOLPHINS ....
    Although for the caught dolphin in with
    Eti - the term. And considerable ..
    In general, we are talking about Latvians. Zulus, if your wife is raped, what will you do? Will you go to court? Or just cry and grieve?
    But in a war? Read Ehrenburg, he was THERE and he saw everything. Do you know what he said? He said the following: if you did not kill a German, you spent your day in vain. Because a German will come and kill your wife, children. And he will rap your daughter, and then she will be killed. Latvia, as it is now, is the ENEMY. And the enemy, if he does not give up, you know ...
    1. ZuluS
      ZuluS 15 July 2012 16: 11
      +1
      "You are rooting for gas, as for your own, ... Do you even imagine how much shit one platform produces? No, you are an amateur who only deals with money and does not see the situation on the spot."
      You can't even imagine how many drilling rigs I've seen in my life !!! And not the scrap metal you are talking about, but modern ones that drill at great depths !!! It is only we and the Arabs (the poor) still have similar archaisms, and the whole world has long switched to equipment that does the same harm to the environment as the sandbox in your yard !!! All problems (with this equipment) occur solely in connection with the human factor (rashness), and in this the Slavs come first !!! For this very reason, you "your country" and fucked up !!!
      "In general, we are talking about Latvians. ... if your wife is raped, what will you do? Will you go to court?" - I'll take an ax and kill her !!! Not by law, but by conscience !!!
      "Latvia as it is now is an ENEMY." Who turned you on like that? In order to talk like this about Latvians, you must at least once visit Latvia or communicate with Latvians !!! I assure you, they are ordinary people, just a little more cultured !!! And the majority do not have a negative attitude towards Russia !!! And even you have a negatively-minded minority !!! So drink valerian, calm down and start treating others with a positive attitude !!! The world around you will answer you in kind !!! Do not doubt!!!
  41. Bugor
    Bugor 15 July 2012 14: 18
    +1
    And in general ... In Russia, only cops go with gray epaulets. Do you know how they relate to them? Aren't you upset?
    1. Kostya pedestrian
      Kostya pedestrian 15 July 2012 15: 16
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      Better law enforcement let them walk the streets than crimson jackets push their ideas on the street again!

      And the "Norwegian" seems to be an independent sailor, he travels, and the flagship of the Ukrainian Navy "Ukraine" at the pier is bored.

    2. ZuluS
      ZuluS 15 July 2012 15: 39
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      No, I don’t know, your cops are your problem !!!
      1. Kostya pedestrian
        Kostya pedestrian 18 July 2012 15: 59
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        Personally, as a person, I was not going to insult you, it is likely that you are a very good family man and citizen, I regret my sarcasm in relation to you, but;

        Any opinion that tries to at least indirectly justify fascism, as a citizen of Belarus, offends me after these superhuman beings have done to my people.

        So for me there is no more faith than those in honor of whom the Eternal Flame burns, and who liberated my people from animals, such as Aryan goats.

        And these attempts to bite the Russian people, and infect rabid separatism, which the descendants of Beria are making, and likewise, not the descendants of Daniil Galitsky, but the nomads who were smelling in the hills of western Ukraine and crowding out the indigenous population - simply force these animals to be sent word of mouth.

        PS: For Belarus, stable and rich neighbors are a guarantee that Belarus lives in a rich and protected area with a rich establishment, and not somewhere in a communal flat or slum. I am not at all impressed by NATO's attempts to turn us into Africa, so that we gnaw each other, and they will like to come to Africa on a safari, and at the same time pump Russian oil, and then on the shores of the Spanish coast they share their "combat" and "super-business "stories about THEM and the aborigines of the Russian plains and mountains.
  42. RVVDKU-115
    RVVDKU-115 15 July 2012 17: 54
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    76 airborne assault division is currently engaged in combat training according to plan. Exceptionally good and excellent. And if that ...... In 2008, within 24 hours, the division was transferred to Ossetia. What was, everyone knows. Latvia and Estonia in general, let them rest.
  43. Bugor
    Bugor 15 July 2012 19: 54
    +1
    Zulus, I’m not saying that the people of Latvia are the enemy. I'm about the STATE.
    Latvians are normal people, like everyone else (and we play hockey together), but LATVIA with their SS battalions is a completely different matter.
    Therefore, no one pumped me up. After all, the Americans are also not all completely stupid people. However, we do not love them - it is the state that we do not love, not people.
  44. Ottofonfenhel
    Ottofonfenhel 15 July 2012 23: 05
    +1
    I am Russian, a chauvinist with imperial thinking, I, like many Russians, want back All the lands that our ancestors collected with such difficulty, I consider the Bialowieza Treaty to be legally insignificant, because I concluded ignoring the referendum in which the majority of USSR citizens spoke out for its preservation . am I demand that all the governments of the republics of the former USSR be recognized as illegitimate, the surrender of their powers within the prescribed time limit of 24 hours, with the subsequent reunification of these territorial entities to the Russian Federation, with the appointment of citizens of these territorial entities to the vacated seats by secret ballot. It seems to be released .. wassat And if you think about it, if you think about it, why not?