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The Polish historian recalled the role of the USSR in World War II

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Polish historians are divided over the extent to which the Soviet Union is responsible for the outbreak of World War II. One of them, doctor historical Sci. Lukash Adamski believes that it is dangerous to equate Hitler and Stalin.




In the days when the 80 anniversary of the beginning of World War II is remembered in the world, events related to this tragic date are held in Poland. However, Warsaw decided to politicize events as much as possible by inviting German Chancellor Angela Merkel and refusing to call on the Russian leader.

Polish historian Lukash Adamsky, in an interview with the Russian edition of the Air Force, said that the local historical community at the moment was divided in their opinions on the role of the Soviet Union in the events of those years. Recall that Germany invaded Poland on 1 on September 1939. The USSR, in turn, crossed the borders of the country on September 17. Moscow’s position was that the Red Army was forced to defend the Ukrainian and Belarusian peoples, whose representatives lived on Polish territory due to the fact that Poland had lost statehood. Local history textbooks, in turn, emphasize that at that time Warsaw held the defense and the government was in the country.

The view from Warsaw on the events of those years is quite radical. For example, the defense of the Brest Fortress is seen as a battle between two totalitarian states over a Polish city, and the so-called The Pilsudski-Hitler Pact, which is one of the most controversial documents of those years, is considered only from the perspective of stabilizing borders and protecting sovereignty. The signing of this document is called the "logical step."

Poland divided Czechoslovakia


Adam notes that the Pilsudski government was implicated in - literally - "dirty deeds." In particular, Joseph Beck, who was the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Polish Republic at that time, announced in 1938 about the claims of his state to part of Czechoslovakia. Soon after this declaration of intent, Warsaw sent troops that occupied parts of Tieszyn Silesia, Orava and Spis.

Another feature of pre-war Poland was that it did not respect the rights of national minorities - Ukrainian and Belarusian - to the extent that it promised.

Historians disagree


At the moment, the local historical community is conditionally split into two parts. The simplified position of one of them is as follows: two totalitarian states that entered into a conspiracy jointly attacked Poland and divided its territory. Such a view of the events of those years, Lukasz Adamsky considers in many respects a response to "Russia's attempts to justify the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact." However, he also notes the refusal of Kiev to condemn the activities of the UPA. It is precisely the full recognition by Germany of crimes, and differences in interpretation of the initial period of the Second World War with Russia, that Adam calls the main cause of disagreement.

At the same time, he himself believes that the aggressor in World War II was primarily the Third Reich, and the USSR only “used the opportunity”. Most historians regard the role of the Soviet Union in the defeat of the Nazis as the most significant - “The West tried to save the blood of its soldiers. But the USSR did not save. ” That is what, according to Lukash Adam, and brought the end of the war.

Can not be compared


The historian considers the equality between the actions of the USSR and Germany to be dangerous, since this greatly underestimates Hitler's responsibility for crimes. The attack of the Third Reich on Poland was planned outside the context of any concluded pacts.

Yes, the USSR signed a pact with Germany, seized a piece of Polish territory, carried out repressions, committed some crimes. But this cannot be compared with Germany’s responsibility for genocide and world horror.

- quotes the air force the words of the Polish historian
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  1. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 3 September 2019 13: 29
    +3
    heading then correct)))
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 3 September 2019 13: 36
      +12
      Whatever they have to constantly remind, you need to go to Eurovision with such songs .. otherwise we mow all the Europeans .. and we are wars, winners!

      1. Practik2012
        Practik2012 3 September 2019 13: 54
        +18
        It’s better not to publish at Eurovision hi There is still a wonderful, in my opinion, St. John's Wort group.

        1. Borz
          Borz 3 September 2019 17: 20
          +5
          Low bow for such a clip. My relative survived the blockade, hiding food under the mattress until the end of his days. I was told about this. In 1980, being a kid, he was with his parents in Leningrad. We visited the Piskaryov cemetery ..... Now I tell the children, please remember and not forget about it.
      2. axiles100682
        axiles100682 3 September 2019 15: 34
        +4
        Already goosebumps and tears in his eyes. Here is a song, POWER.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 3 September 2019 15: 35
          +1
          Quote: axiles100682
          Already goosebumps and tears in his eyes. Here is a song, POWER.

          I have the same emotions! So I share with the members of the forum ..
          1. axiles100682
            axiles100682 3 September 2019 15: 40
            0
            Now I’ll also download the skin to my friends. I thank you for such a clip
      3. Ivan58
        Ivan58 3 September 2019 23: 31
        +1
        All of Europe is flooded with Russian blood of the liberators. From all evil spirits, but everything is numb to them.
      4. aws4
        aws4 5 September 2019 22: 53
        0
        it means so Svarozhek in the first place this song and indeed the whole Kipelov this is zakos to their music .. it’s a shame not to know that .. second - (and we are wars, winners!) but it just made me sick ... not we and our grandfathers and great-grandfathers !!! and I don’t have anything to do with those victories, do you have a dumb conscience? not ashamed to write this? you at least think a little unconquered ... a disgrace !!!!!!!!!!!
      5. aws4
        aws4 5 September 2019 23: 00
        0
        if at 45 m our soldiers and officers would hear this song of Kipelov and they would be told that in 70 years their grandchildren and great-grandchildren would listen to it and this is also about their victory and about Leningrad I think almost all of them would have drunk and the USSR wouldn’t have anyone was raise after the war ..
  2. Nycomed
    Nycomed 3 September 2019 13: 35
    -1
    Let historians argue, search and find documents. I am only FOR, maybe we, thanks to their work and obsession, will someday find out the truth. And the disputes between them were, are and will always be. And it is right. If mathematicians and physicists are arguing among themselves, then God himself ordered historians. And we will just read and put aside in our heads whoever likes what. request
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 3 September 2019 13: 41
      +2
      Historians they are very good. and very good different, that we have, that in the west. Criterion? Objectivity! The only way.
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 3 September 2019 14: 51
        +2
        People! But here you are minuscule! It happens! With what specifically do you disagree, and? With * objectivity? Or with the fact that how many historians have so many opinions?
    2. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
      SERGEY SERGEEVICS 3 September 2019 13: 49
      0
      Let historians argue

      So they do it.
      Polish historians disagreed
      1. The comment was deleted.
        1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
          SERGEY SERGEEVICS 3 September 2019 14: 12
          -1
          The Poles are dancing to the tune of the West, and they have long ago begun to rewrite history, and this is a lie from them.
          1. Nycomed
            Nycomed 3 September 2019 15: 04
            +2
            In order to "rewrite" something, you need to know this "something". What do we know about history? That which we, sometimes, is dosed "poured". That's all our "knowledge" ...
            1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
              SERGEY SERGEEVICS 3 September 2019 15: 08
              -1
              The West rewrites history for itself, and then it merges into the society of other countries.
    3. glk63
      glk63 3 September 2019 13: 53
      +5
      Quote: Nycomed
      If mathematicians and physicists argue among themselves ...

      Mathematicians and physicists cannot argue among themselves, because mathematics is a descriptive apparatus of physics)
      1. Nycomed
        Nycomed 3 September 2019 13: 57
        0
        They argue, and how!
        1. glk63
          glk63 3 September 2019 14: 02
          0
          I wonder what? ..)
    4. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 3 September 2019 13: 54
      +2
      " What is the strength in, brother?" ...
      " Power is in the truth"

      Yesterday bros .. through the lips of the chief of defense for the old ГШШ ..
      "The main problems in the Black Sea region
      related to the escalation of the confrontation in eastern Ukraine and
      lack of progress in resolving frozen conflicts in
      Moldova and Georgia.
      The presence of significant armed forces on the peninsula
      Crimea and the holding of large-scale military exercises is explicit
      demonstration of strength and willingness to use military means
      to achieve political goals.
      This leads to an increase
      counteraction and turning the region into a source
      tension and instability. No visible resolution perspective
      controversies regarding control of neighboring waters and
      Sea of ​​Azov, which is a prerequisite for fueling a new crisis
      Bonfire .. »»
      (September 2, 2019 from a lecture given by the chief of defense, General Andrei BOTSEV, at the grand opening of the academic year 2019/2020 at the G.S. Rakovsky Military Academy »LONG-TERM DEVELOPMENT FOR GETTING STARTED FOR STRATEGIC PROTECTION FOR SYSTEM SYSTEM NATIONAL BEAUTY SIGURNOST AND STRATEGIC CHARGE ON SELECTION “))
      1. To be or not to be
        To be or not to be 3 September 2019 22: 33
        0
        https://www.mfa.bg/bg/news/22725
        Read what Brothers gave out ..
        https://www.rbc.ru/politics/03/09/2019/5d6eaa6d9a794721324430f9
        The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Bulgaria called on the Russian embassy not to support the thesis that the USSR freed Eastern Europe from Nazism. This is stated in a message published on the official website of the Bulgarian Foreign Ministry.

        Such a statement was made by Bulgarian diplomats on the eve of the opening of the exhibition “9 years of the liberation of Eastern Europe from Nazism” on the basis of the Russian cultural and information center, which opens on September 75 in Sofia.

        Give! "Longer follow up on Bulgaria, cut it off, like it, and stop the countries from Iztochna Europe, got into the Soviet zone for influence - 45 years ago, the government was on a totalitarian regime, relying on the Bolshevik-Leninist version on the communist ideology." "" "
        I do not believe that it is from the Bulgarian people .. I DO NOT BELIEVE!
  3. Phil77
    Phil77 3 September 2019 13: 36
    +4
    Yes, yes! The USSR did not save! We simply fought with the brown plague!
  4. Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 3 September 2019 13: 46
    +2
    The attack of the Third Reich on Poland was planned outside the context of any concluded pacts.

    So it was clear. Hitler needed Poland as a springboard for an attack on the USSR
    1. Tuzik
      Tuzik 3 September 2019 14: 37
      -1
      - In order to play in the finals with Liverpool, we need to beat Porto in one-eighth.
      - But what about Real and Barcelona in the quarter finals and semifinals?
      - That garbage
  5. fruit_cake
    fruit_cake 3 September 2019 13: 47
    +3
    Hitler at the funeral of his friend Pilsudski
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 3 September 2019 13: 53
      +4
      Quote: fruit_cake
      Hitler at the funeral of his friend Pilsudski

      Ally? Oh, this Poland! No one has better designated its role as Churchill! Here is just an immortal formulation.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 3 September 2019 13: 59
        +2
        Quote: Phil77
        Ally? Oh, this Poland! No one has better designated its role as Churchill! Here is just an immortal formulation.

        That's for sure .. Hyena is a hyena ..
  6. mavrus
    mavrus 3 September 2019 14: 02
    +1
    And if the Soviet Union "attacked" Poland on September 17, 39, why did they (or rather the "London government of Poland") declared war on us only in December? Is it because on September 17 the Polish government fled and was interned in Romania?
  7. dedBoroded
    dedBoroded 3 September 2019 14: 05
    -1
    A roughly equal split of opinions about the role of the USSR in World War II shows that not everything is still lost in relations between Russia and the West. And at the same time, a split in Western society is visible.
  8. HAM
    HAM 3 September 2019 14: 20
    +4
    I may express a somewhat seditious thought, but it seems to me that it was Russia that was "occupied" by all sorts of Balts, Georgians with Ukraine, as well as the CMEA countries ... Russia always owes someone: build factories, factories, roads, nuclear power plants, ports for free , and the Russian people frankly lived poorly, even in comparison with the "occupied" republics .. It was necessary to build only on the territory of Russia, which, it seems, only now reached our rulers ..
    Trump, oddly enough, has already understood this and is demanding payment for "defense" from freeloaders, but whatever you call it, the Yankees do not want to pay for everyone like the USSR ...
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 3 September 2019 14: 45
      +1
      A seditious?! Yes, by no means! To build factories, factories? Yes, it could be built in the conditional Vladimir region (excuse me, Dad from there). But then we were an EMPIRE! Who knew that a hunchback would come and destroy everything?! ??!!
  9. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 3 September 2019 14: 26
    +1
    laughing The combination of stupidity, Russophobia and gentry pride led to the fact that Poland, which did a lot to start World War II, became its first victim, and Soviet troops - instead of eliminating the Nazi state together with the Polish Army - entered Poland from the east and took control of the West Ukraine and Western Belarus. Thus pushing the border to the West, which (according to some historians) was one of the reasons for the failure of the Blitzkrieg - Hitler simply did not have time to get to Moscow before the cold winter of 1941-1942.

    And after the war - if we talk about historical truth - the Soviet Union not only tried not to raise the issue of Poland’s fault (the Polish People’s Republic was, after all, an ally in the framework of the Warsaw Treaty Organization), but also presented territories to it.
    1. Rostislav Bely
      Rostislav Bely 3 September 2019 15: 04
      0
      About the gentry, let me doubt "Novopolskiy", including Pilsudski - mostly christening (Jesuit education), even Kosciuszko from Ukrainians who converted from Orthodoxy to Catholicism (his daddy decided for drunkenness and lawlessness by their own serfs), so the princes of Sosnovskiy refused married to their daughter Tadeusz - "tutor" (Ludwika Sosnovskaya, Tadeusz began an affair, but the rich tycoon refused the poor and ignorant Kosciuszko in the hand of his daughter, who was married to Prince Lubomirsky)
  10. Operator
    Operator 3 September 2019 14: 36
    +2
    Adamsky: "The USSR ... seized a piece of Polish territory" - this is what Lyakh calls the occupied territories of Belarus and Ukraine.

    About 3 / 4 of East Prussia, which by definition was never Polish, but was donated by Stalin to Poland in 1945, the Poles are silent as deaf.
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 3 September 2019 14: 59
      0
      Yes! And they are silent about the proud city of Danzig, the womb of the Chentokhovsk boska! Dog krev !! For one answer is unprofitable !!!
      1. Operator
        Operator 3 September 2019 15: 11
        0
        Initially, Polish Gdansk as well as Polish Silesia moved to Germany in the 18 century according to one of the divisions of Poland between Russia, Austria-Hungary and Germany.

        Unlike Gdansk and Silesia, Prussia belonged to the Prussians even before the emergence of the Polish state in the 10 century. The Germans colonized Prussia in the 13 century at the request of the Catholic Poles, who could not independently resist the Gentile Prussians.
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 3 September 2019 15: 21
          0
          The emergence of the Polish state? Already the question is, no?
          1. Operator
            Operator 3 September 2019 15: 50
            0
            The Polish state with its capital in Gniezno arose one hundred years later than the Russian state with its capital in Novgorod / Kiev.

            Starting from 960, the Lechitsky prince Meshko Piast united several West Slavic tribes in the center of present-day Poland under his rule, separated from the Great Moravian state and in the 966 year adopted Christianity of the Catholic rite.
  11. Evil echo
    Evil echo 3 September 2019 15: 31
    +1
    What is going on in the world. It will wake up in Ukraine, then in Poland. I can’t believe that more or less healthy people are still there.
  12. K-50
    K-50 3 September 2019 15: 39
    +1
    Needless to say, one mat. Poland is all so "neat and rosy" that taking over a part of another country takes it for granted.
    The return of the territory to the Curzon line of the USSR, which Poland had previously "squeezed", is a crime of universal proportions !!!
    I think that the shakes will run into the vigorous loaf, they deserve it !!! am
  13. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 3 September 2019 15: 58
    0
    Listening to this, you involuntarily remember what Pilsudski said about his subjects: “Stupidity, absolute stupidity. Wherever it has been seen, to lead such a people, to suffer with you for twenty years. ” laughing laughing laughing
  14. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 3 September 2019 16: 01
    0
    Let me remind you that the Polish ambassador in Paris, Lukasevich, assured the US ambassador to France Bullitt that Poland would immediately declare war on the USSR if we try to send troops through Polish territory to help Czechoslovakia, and if Soviet planes appear over Poland on the way to Czechoslovakia, they will be immediately attacked Polish aviation.

    Instead of help, Poland itself invades Czechoslovakia and seizes the Teszyn region and shares it with the Third Reich, which was a preliminary agreement between the Polish Foreign Minister Jozef Beck and the Foreign Minister of the Third Reich, the notorious Ribbentrop ("Bek-Ribbentrop Pact").

    I’m already silent about the pact of 34 with Hitler, about joint parades (not the withdrawal of troops from Brest, but real parades in honor of the common victory over Czechoslovakia, for example), about exercises. And about the final solution to the Jewish question. As a result of negotiations about Jews, Ribbentrop promised Beck: "We will erect a monument to you in your lifetime." laughing laughing laughing
  15. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 3 September 2019 16: 12
    +1
    And in Poland, the elite and people are so different that it is not visible only to the Poles. Here, for example, the textbook “Geography of Russia” for secondary schools, published by the 2nd edition of the Sytin partnership in 1914, describes the physical types of the multinational population of the Russian Empire, including the Poles: “The physical type of the Pole is attractive: it is built, beautiful, clever and strong. The character of the Pole is firm, persistent, but at the same time agile, enterprising, easily excited. In addition, the Pole is distinguished by friendliness in communication, cheerfulness, seeming even frivolity at first glance, and a penchant for poetry and music: almost always he sings songs and, at any opportunity, starts dancing (Polish dances - mazurka, krakowyak, etc. are famous everywhere ); many singers and musicians roam the villages. However, centuries-old serfdom has left its stamp on the people, expressed in ostentatious humiliation and servility to those who have power and strength.

    None of the people, perhaps, had as great class differences as the Poles. The nobility always stood apart from the people (claps), and completely distinct character traits developed in it. Wealth, idleness (thanks to serfdom), accompanied by continuous entertainment, gave the upper class the features of frivolity, vanity and a love of luxury and brilliance, which brought the state to ruin. But at the same time, the natural giftedness that developed from communication with European culture gave excellent results: in the field of fine literature, science, painting, sculpture and music, the Poles put forward a number of world famous figures (Copernicus, Chopin, Mickiewicz, Semiradsky, Senkevichi, etc.) ”
  16. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 3 September 2019 16: 16
    +1
    And finally, the fourth feature of the mentality of the Polish elite is exceptional greed and venality. If we talk about the Poles of the sample of the 30s, then the place will recall the opinion of Marshal of Poland Jozef Pilsudski about the war of 1920: “... I was constantly forced to make sure that there was no betrayal. Such a threat existed both in the General Staff, and among generals, and in the Sejm, and in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. .... I won against the Poles - I had to constantly struggle with such Poles.

    ... I could not trust the government, because it stole even shamelessly. I had no confidence in the Sejm and the government.

    ... In the General Staff every foreigner could read whatever he wanted, military secrets penetrated the Germans and the Bolsheviks. In fact, there were no secrets.

    ... In the high command there were huge abuses. It is likely that many deputies of the Seimas were involved in them: more than one deputy state was knocked together as a result of abuses in the military economy, the case of stolen trophies taken from the Germans was especially dirty.

    ... I won when I threw other things to hell, took up the main thing - the command and won. Victories gained with my whip. ”
  17. tacet
    tacet 3 September 2019 16: 27
    0
    Now they are trying to evaluate historical events by pulling them out of the chain, so there is a huge field for all sorts of speculations. For example, they consider the Molotov-Ribentrop Pact and the "Declaration on the Non-Use of Force between Germany and Poland" (Hitler-Pilsutsky Pact), but do not look earlier than 1936. In turn, if you look a little earlier (at least since 1918), then the assessment of the actions of all parties will be different. As the saying goes, "the quote is taken out of context."
  18. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 3 September 2019 16: 35
    0
    The most dangerous time is during the construction of the armed forces. Here it will be revealed whether France has statesmen. If so, she will not give us time, but will attack us.
    Adolf Gitler.
    He promised his people to break the Treaty of Versailles, which, in fact, did not just revive the Wehrmacht, but also turn it into one of the strongest armies in Europe. Western politicians still thinking in obsolete, pre-war categories were innocently tempted by Hitler's anti-Soviet rhetoric. But the German leader was a different type of politician, Assuring his Western colleagues in their commitment to international agreements, peace and disarmament, in his circle openly laughed at them. . laughing
  19. Nadir shah
    Nadir shah 3 September 2019 19: 28
    0
    Quote: Gennady Fomkin
    The most dangerous time is during the construction of the armed forces. Here it will be revealed whether France has statesmen. If so, she will not give us time, but will attack us.
    Adolf Gitler.
    He promised his people to break the Treaty of Versailles, which, in fact, did not just revive the Wehrmacht, but also turn it into one of the strongest armies in Europe. Western politicians still thinking in obsolete, pre-war categories were innocently tempted by Hitler's anti-Soviet rhetoric. But the German leader was a different type of politician, Assuring his Western colleagues in their commitment to international agreements, peace and disarmament, in his circle openly laughed at them. . laughing

    I would even say that he promised to return the Entente a thousandfold, and he had no problems with that. I raped the allies in all the cracks, and also urinated.
  20. Nadir shah
    Nadir shah 3 September 2019 19: 30
    0
    Quote: Gennady Fomkin
    And in Poland, the elite and people are so different that it is not visible only to the Poles. Here, for example, the textbook “Geography of Russia” for secondary schools, published by the 2nd edition of the Sytin partnership in 1914, describes the physical types of the multinational population of the Russian Empire, including the Poles: “The physical type of the Pole is attractive: it is built, beautiful, clever and strong. The character of the Pole is firm, persistent, but at the same time agile, enterprising, easily excited. In addition, the Pole is distinguished by friendliness in communication, cheerfulness, seeming even frivolity at first glance, and a penchant for poetry and music: almost always he sings songs and, at any opportunity, starts dancing (Polish dances - mazurka, krakowyak, etc. are famous everywhere ); many singers and musicians roam the villages. However, centuries-old serfdom has left its stamp on the people, expressed in ostentatious humiliation and servility to those who have power and strength.

    None of the people, perhaps, had as great class differences as the Poles. The nobility always stood apart from the people (claps), and completely distinct character traits developed in it. Wealth, idleness (thanks to serfdom), accompanied by continuous entertainment, gave the upper class the features of frivolity, vanity and a love of luxury and brilliance, which brought the state to ruin. But at the same time, the natural giftedness that developed from communication with European culture gave excellent results: in the field of fine literature, science, painting, sculpture and music, the Poles put forward a number of world famous figures (Copernicus, Chopin, Mickiewicz, Semiradsky, Senkevichi, etc.) ”

    well, in fairness, the Polish nobility still pulled and pulled well, in general and in general. But the state was brought to death not by idleness and frivolity, but by arrogance and intolerance - they clearly did not understand what the internal troubles lead to, although they could avoid all this.
  21. Nadir shah
    Nadir shah 3 September 2019 19: 31
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    Quote: Phil77
    The emergence of the Polish state? Already the question is, no?

    no
  22. Nadir shah
    Nadir shah 3 September 2019 19: 32
    -3
    Quote: Operator
    The Polish state with its capital in Gniezno arose one hundred years later than the Russian state with its capital in Novgorod / Kiev.

    Starting from 960, the Lechitsky prince Meshko Piast united several West Slavic tribes in the center of present-day Poland under his rule, separated from the Great Moravian state and in the 966 year adopted Christianity of the Catholic rite.

    everything is correct, with the only difference that the Polish ethnos has already begun to take shape, while the Russian and others have not yet, and the first Rus was not ethnic (she even spoke Old Slavonic). What can I say if the word "rus" is from Finnish and meant Scandinavians.
  23. Nadir shah
    Nadir shah 3 September 2019 19: 32
    -1
    Quote: Operator
    Adamsky: "The USSR ... seized a piece of Polish territory" - this is what Lyakh calls the occupied territories of Belarus and Ukraine.

    About 3 / 4 of East Prussia, which by definition was never Polish, but was donated by Stalin to Poland in 1945, the Poles are silent as deaf.

    East Prussia and a number of other territories to Poland belonged as far back as the Middle Ages. Surprise.
    1. bycharashkO
      bycharashkO 4 September 2019 13: 21
      0
      Quote: Nadir Shah
      East Prussia and a number of other territories to Poland belonged as far back as the Middle Ages. Surprise.

      and a little later Poland belonged to Russia ... So what? From what time will we count? Or immediately from PX?
  24. Nadir shah
    Nadir shah 3 September 2019 19: 33
    -1
    Quote: Phil77
    Yes! And they are silent about the proud city of Danzig, the womb of the Chentokhovsk boska! Dog krev !! For one answer is unprofitable !!!

    the only problem is that Danzig and a number of other territories in the region belonged to Poland in the Middle Ages. Suddenly.
  25. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 3 September 2019 20: 06
    0
    Yes, the USSR signed a pact with Germany, captured a piece of Polish territory

    Why did this "piece" become a Polish territory? Easy Come Easy Go! They returned theirs, in short.
  26. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 4 September 2019 16: 25
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    In one of his interviews, the legendary Soviet intelligence officer Yuri Drozdov spoke about how the United States and Great Britain form "historical memory." They bribe the elites of other countries, introduce historical myths into their educational programs and plant these mythologemes from school. At the same time, a pool of historians and journalists is being created in each state, whose task is to obstruct any attempts to find out the real facts of the past.

    The calculation is made on the conservatism and inertness of human psychology. As a rule, it is difficult for an average citizen to abandon those historical dogmas that were imposed on him since childhood. Under these conditions, anyone trying to find out the real facts of the past can easily be marginalized, and then persecuted.
  27. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 4 September 2019 16: 27
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    On April 15, 1939, US President Franklin Roosevelt initiated the signing of non-aggression pacts with Germany by the USSR and a number of other countries. This initiative was supported by Paris and London. Going to meet them, the Soviet Union signed the Non-Aggression Pact on August 23, 1939. In the event of its violation by the Nazis, the United States guaranteed military assistance. But instead, the opposite happened after Hitler's attack on the USSR. Roosevelt's associates, such as Harry Truman, openly called for "helping not only the Russians, but also the Germans" so that they "kill each other as much as possible."

    If the issue of the fault of Poland was the subject of consideration by the Nuremberg Tribunal, then the actions of the United States were also subject to consideration. They would qualify as incitement to war.

    Therefore, the United States, Britain and France had no choice but to shield the Poles. In Nuremberg, Poland was recognized as an ally of Hitler, but not condemned. Nevertheless, this was not enough for the Americans and the British. Unable to completely shield Poland in the framework of the trial, they decided to present it as a victim in history books. Moreover, they wished for the USSR to do this.
  28. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 4 September 2019 16: 29
    0
    There is only one problem. His puppets in the person of the same Poles act so zealously that they often cause a completely opposite effect. With their squeal they literally push to understand the real historical facts.
  29. Nadir shah
    Nadir shah 4 September 2019 16: 47
    -1
    Quote: Vasyan1971
    Yes, the USSR signed a pact with Germany, captured a piece of Polish territory

    Why did this "piece" become a Polish territory? Easy Come Easy Go! They returned theirs, in short.

    it wasn’t yours for long either, only from the 18th century, so no.
  30. Nadir shah
    Nadir shah 4 September 2019 16: 52
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    Quote: bycharashkO
    Quote: Nadir Shah
    East Prussia and a number of other territories to Poland belonged as far back as the Middle Ages. Surprise.

    and a little later Poland belonged to Russia ... So what? From what time will we count? Or immediately from PX?

    a little later - this is the 18th century (and finally - as much as 1795, that is, practically the 19th), and the Poles occupied the Baltic at 15m, so they didn’t feel like it. And it is necessary to count not from the time (or the birth of a mythical Jew), but as it is written in the documents. And there everything is clear and understandable.
  31. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 4 September 2019 17: 21
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    ... and this is amazing. The Poles are totally angry with Russia, the Russians are completely angry with Poland. Neither warm - not cold, nothing at all! (except that the older generation will remember the cute tankmen with a dog in the Soviet T-34 tank, and a joke about Ivan Susanin). laughing laughing laughing