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In Transbaikalia in the classroom for underwater driving tanks an instructor died

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A contract soldier of one of tank units of the Eastern Military District died during training at one of the military training grounds in the Trans-Baikal Territory. The press service of the BBO reports.

In Transbaikalia in the classroom for underwater driving tanks an instructor died


As follows from the message, classes on driving tanks under water were held at one of the BBO tank training grounds. During overcoming a water barrier, one of the tanks stalled at a depth. The trained driver and driver successfully left the car, and the instructor who conducted the classes continued to fight to save the tank and died.

In the course of carrying out planned classes for driving combat vehicles with overcoming a water barrier at one of the training grounds in the Trans-Baikal Territory, one of the tanks stalled under water. The trained driver was able to successfully leave the fighting vehicle, an experienced contractor instructor conducting the lesson fought for the survivability of the tank until the end and died

- says in a distributed message.

Currently, an audit is being conducted on this fact, a special commission of the Ministry of Defense and law enforcement agencies is working on the spot.

According to local media, the tragedy occurred on 30 in August at one of the landfills in the area of ​​the village of Peschanka, the tank died out at a depth of about 4 meters.
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  1. Svarog
    Svarog 3 September 2019 09: 16
    +47
    That damn it, iron would be pulled out later, why is this heroism in a peaceful life .. It is a pity for the instructor, condolences to the family.
    1. Yrec
      Yrec 3 September 2019 09: 21
      +2
      I violated the instructions - I paid with my life. Very sorry.
      1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
        SERGEY SERGEEVICS 3 September 2019 09: 31
        -6
        Violated the instructions

        And what is its violation, in more detail, please. Personally checked? Yes!
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 3 September 2019 09: 34
          +18
          violation is that he did not leave the car.
          1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
            SERGEY SERGEEVICS 3 September 2019 09: 38
            +1
            violation is that he did not leave the car.

            Maybe there were reasons and reasons for this, while it is still unknown what was really happening there.
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 3 September 2019 09: 42
              +20
              there are no such reasons. and it cannot be. underwater driving is the implementation of clear instructions. there is no way to improvise from the word at all. if the mechanic came out it means the car is already full. staying there makes no sense.
              1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
                SERGEY SERGEEVICS 3 September 2019 09: 53
                +6
                there are no such reasons. and it cannot be.

                The human factor could work, could catch on something, etc.
            2. svp67
              svp67 3 September 2019 14: 37
              +2
              I am sorry for the family, relatives, friends and colleagues of the deceased.
              Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
              Maybe there were reasons and reasons for this,

              What reasons? In the tank, either everyone is saved or everyone is killed, but this
              The trained driver was able to successfully leave the fighting vehicle, an experienced contractor instructor conducting the lesson fought for the survivability of the tank until the end and died
              It is not that bewildering, it’s just a dumbass. What could be saved there at a depth of 4 m, in an already flooded tank, but there was no other way to leave it, but this was already done by a mech-water cadet?

              1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
                SERGEY SERGEEVICS 3 September 2019 14: 47
                0
                What reasons?

                You tankers know better how and what is there. Maybe from cold water, he got his legs down and he could not get out because of this.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 3 September 2019 14: 48
                  0
                  Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
                  Maybe from cold water, he got his legs down and he could not get out because of this.

                  In this case, rescuers should have worked, they just had to be in such an occupation, equipped with light-diving equipment
                  1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
                    SERGEY SERGEEVICS 3 September 2019 14: 59
                    0
                    In this case, rescuers should have worked, they just had to be in such an occupation, equipped with light-diving equipment

                    Serge, you yourself know how it really is. Yes, were they all these divers there?
                    1. svp67
                      svp67 3 September 2019 15: 36
                      +4
                      Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
                      Yes, were they all these divers there?

                      If this is so, then I am VERY sorry for the head of the class, the commander of this unit and his deputies. Prosecutors will quickly remove the shavings from them
            3. Tanker21
              Tanker21 4 September 2019 22: 57
              0
              Everyone should leave the car when flooding. In our company, too, the kid died on underwater driving. A year before us. After these stories, it was scary to go under the water ...
          2. Catfish
            Catfish 3 September 2019 10: 22
            +34
            Dim, hi. hi I myself wound an urgent one in the tank. We had underwater driving in training even on old T-55s. Anything could happen there, it doesn't even say what machines they trained on. Any instructor knows that once he has stalled at depth, it is useless to fight for some mythical survivability. There is only one way out - to open the drape hatch and go upstairs through the tower, there is no serious pressure there at four meters and there cannot be, especially since if the depth is four, then from the tower hatch to the surface is less than two, you can just get out and get up on the "roof" of the tower. And with a tank in such a situation, there is only one thing left: to dive in IDAS, hook on the cables, drag with tractors and give it to the repairmen.
            In this case, something abnormal clearly happened, the mechanic came out, and the instructor died. But the instructor is not an illiterate salaga, otherwise he would not have been an instructor. And again: what model of the tank, the fighting compartment and the place of the mechanic are separated by a partition, or not?

            In any case, the person is sorry for our condolences to the families of the deceased.
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 3 September 2019 10: 40
              +1
              I welcome you. pressure equalization is flooding the machine. you know you cannot open hatches without it. and I think the car is 72. they write below it is Gerbil and it seems to be a training.
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 3 September 2019 10: 44
                +1
                About the gerbil did not hear, I was finishing my studies in Bikin, this is also ZVO. And on the 72nd, how was the fighting compartment arranged, had it never been in it?
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 3 September 2019 11: 26
                  +1
                  I’ve turned 80 this way all my life) there the mechanic’s drive to the fighting compartment to get out is a circus with horses. In a critical situation, it’s generally unrealistic. and in 72 it is quite possible if I remember the layout correctly.
                2. Fitter65
                  Fitter65 3 September 2019 13: 14
                  +1
                  Quote: Sea Cat
                  About the gerbil did not hear, I was finishing my studies in Bikin, this is also ZVO.

                  Opachki, how interesting it is.
                  Bikin is a city (since 1938) in Russia, the administrative center of the Bikinsky district of the Khabarovsk Territory.
                  .
                  And the Khabarovsk Territory has always been part of the KDVO, the headquarters of the KDVO was in the city of Khabarovsk. I served in the KDVO from December 1988, I was in Bikin for the first time in 1993, the second time in 2002 The first time I traveled, the second time in the guard, I stood at the station for a day Bikin. After the unification of ZabVO and KDVO, the Eastern Military District was formed whose headquarters is again located in Khabarovsk. And by the way, ZVO is the Western Military District, and Bikin is 8613 km from Moscow, although this is already outdated data, Moscow is constantly expanding, so it is quite possible that Bikin has already become closer to Moscow, but not so much to get into the ZVO.
                  1. Dr. Hub
                    Dr. Hub 3 September 2019 13: 48
                    +1
                    Bikin did not get closer to Moscow))) where he stood, there he stands))) and the subordination of the Far Eastern Military District.
                  2. Catfish
                    Catfish 3 September 2019 14: 00
                    0
                    Hello Alexander. hi Well, almost fellow countrymen, on duty. And Bikin for three years was only a half-year episode in my service (1966-69), and in the city I was only two times: brought - taken away. The rest of the service in the JAO, s. Babstovo 54th OTP, 1st batt., 3rd company. Tanks T-54.
                    Part was new, created from scratch and we lived happily.
                    And with ZVO, well, I messed up with whom it does not happen. smile
              2. Alexander Seklitsky
                Alexander Seklitsky 3 September 2019 13: 24
                +1
                Yes, there is tank training.
            2. Tanker21
              Tanker21 4 September 2019 22: 59
              +1
              In the gerbil 72 stand.
        2. 113262a
          113262a 3 September 2019 10: 43
          +4
          Let's start with breathing apparatus! OPVT includes three of these. They lie in boxes around the tower. They are identical to those of submariners, but more compact. Most likely, I did not check the performance. And you don’t have to be able to get out of the tank when it is flooded! Or to catch hold of something for death! And there’s nothing to catch on especially !.
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 3 September 2019 11: 27
            +1
            which is more important and nothing but the IP itself.
    2. Karabas
      Karabas 3 September 2019 11: 00
      +4
      That damn it, iron would be pulled out later, why is this heroism in a peaceful life .. It is a pity for the instructor, condolences to the family.

      This is not heroism but stupidity. He fought for survivability ... Not a submarine or a plane.
      1. 113262a
        113262a 3 September 2019 12: 17
        +1
        By the way, the way out of a flooded car is also studied and simple, like 5 cents!
  2. Shuttle
    Shuttle 3 September 2019 09: 20
    +19
    The trained mechanic was in place of the mechanic. He successfully left the car. How could the instructor continue to fight for the survivability of the tank after the driver left it? We would have to wait for details. At least find out what kind of tank. There seems to be one river there - Ingoda. The satellite view is very calm, winding .. The case is not ordinary.
    1. Shuttle
      Shuttle 3 September 2019 09: 32
      +2
      Here is a place. Training ground in Peschanka, military unit 21250
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 3 September 2019 09: 39
      +2
      also do not understand the meaning of this. after comparing the pressure before opening the hatch, the machine is already flooded. most likely just somewhere wrong.
      1. 113262a
        113262a 3 September 2019 12: 18
        0
        Stupidly carried away!
    3. TTLS
      TTLS 3 September 2019 10: 02
      +1
      Not true. Ingoda is a fast and cold river. Like most Siberian rivers. You go on the knee - it just blows with the current.
      1. Shuttle
        Shuttle 3 September 2019 10: 40
        +8
        Quote: TTLS
        Not true. Ingoda is a fast and cold river. Like most Siberian rivers. You go on the knee - it just blows with the current.

        I will not argue about "cold" because it is a subjective characteristic. Even in spite of the fact that the main filling of this river is rainwater, not glaciers.
        But let me disagree with the characteristic "fast". Fast rivers are usually straight. Ingoda in the Chita area is at least very winding. This time. Secondly, we look at the water consumption. Aunt Vika reports that a little less than 80 m ^ 3 / sec flows at the mouth of the Ingoda. Let us assume that all this water also flows in the Chita region. We take a ruler and measure the width of Ingoda in the Chita region. It turns out from 60 to 100 m in different places. Let's take 60 for calculations, although I would take 80.
        Compare, for example, with Don, who is called Quiet. So. at the mouth, where the width is about 350 m, the average flow rate per year is 900 m ^ 3 / sec. Those. 2,5 cubic meters of water per second flows through every meter of the "Quiet" Don. And in the Chita region, 1,333 cubic meters per second flows along Ingoda. So how can you call this dam fast after that?
        Well and yes, the tanks are trying to smuggle along the bottom only suitable places for this. Those. in quiet, calm, with a flat and clean bottom. Especially for educational purposes.
        1. Tanker21
          Tanker21 4 September 2019 23: 02
          +1
          we were crossing the Tom. It was also a calm river, but the current carried me away rather well. I moved from the right bank to the left, from the tower I never heard: "Well, well." only the commands "Left!" And 45 tons!
      2. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 3 September 2019 10: 41
        +2
        in such places no one will provide for crossing.
    4. Runoway
      Runoway 3 September 2019 10: 46
      +1

      Such tragedies are regular !!!! Is it really impossible to equip equipment with something like that?
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 3 September 2019 11: 28
        +3
        PI is enough for breathing under water for 40-50 minutes. Why do they still need these devices?
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 3 September 2019 09: 29
    +3
    Unclear. In this case, the instructor was also obliged to wear an insulating gas mask and then leave the tank after the m / v.
  4. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 3 September 2019 09: 29
    +19
    It is unlikely that of course the instructor continued to fight there for something, especially after depressurization and leaving the tank with a mechanical drive. Most likely for some reason I could not get out. The reason will be established by the investigation.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 3 September 2019 09: 48
      0
      which is even more strange by the way. KTP released the car. stalled most likely due to a driver error but this happens often. IP did not work? maybe panicked?
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 3 September 2019 09: 51
        +4
        You can guess as much as you like, but without data from the examination of the machine and the testimony of the driver, this is pointless.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 3 September 2019 10: 00
          +2
          I agree. It's a shame that, due to a fairly ordinary case, in principle, experienced people die ...
          1. Aerodrome
            Aerodrome 3 September 2019 10: 09
            +6
            elementary cramps from cold water could be .... no one experienced? here, and this is in the tank ...
    2. 113262a
      113262a 3 September 2019 10: 44
      -1
      The driver is already sitting chest to water in the water! This is if the pumps are working.
      1. Lieutenant colonel
        Lieutenant colonel 5 September 2019 03: 22
        +1
        Do not write nonsense.
        1. 113262a
          113262a 5 September 2019 08: 22
          0
          83-85, GSVG, Shield-84 exercises, passage on about 219r along the bottom of the Elbe as part of a company at the Magdeburg training ground (or near it), the ATVT was dropped on a corn field. in a battle. Then the Zampotechs were picked up. They worked without any preparation, without any lubrication, including two company UBMs. No one was stalled or drowned. Yes, MV - on a breast in water, water was poured through a drape. Very afraid for the battery. But it blew through!
          1. Lieutenant colonel
            Lieutenant colonel 5 September 2019 08: 29
            0
            Do you even imagine the water level in a tank if mechanics are on the chest?
            And no one will launch you into the water without preparation !!! Even in combat !!!
            Always - ALWAYS there is a training area for tanks to overcome the water barrier on the bottom !!!
            And if you write about ob.219r - then write - the OPVT pipes are dumped in the corn field. In plural...
            1. 113262a
              113262a 5 September 2019 08: 39
              0
              Yes, there were only flanges on the flue and the grille. Pardon, the place where the grille! And on the chest MV is the bottom of the conveyor! By the edge of the charge in the tray. At MV, almost half of the tidy was in the water!
  5. Nycomed
    Nycomed 3 September 2019 09: 30
    +4
    It’s a pity ... Yes, and to hell with it, with iron. Not at war, then they would get it. Very sorry. Performing his duty, as he saw ...
  6. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
    SERGEY SERGEEVICS 3 September 2019 09: 34
    +3
    Very sorry for the instructor, Eternal memory to him and condolences to his family.
  7. Yrec
    Yrec 3 September 2019 09: 38
    +2
    Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
    Violated the instructions

    And what is its violation, in more detail, please. Personally checked? Yes!

    Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
    Violated the instructions

    And what is its violation, in more detail, please. Personally checked? Yes!

    I’m not a tanker, but by the nature of my service I know the instructions for underwater driving: if the tank has stalled under water, put on an IDP (like that, I don’t remember already), flood it, open the hatches and leave. I don’t know the details of whether it is necessary to set neutral, etc., but for the crew - like that.
    1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
      SERGEY SERGEEVICS 3 September 2019 10: 06
      0
      Quote: Yrec
      Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
      Violated the instructions

      And what is its violation, in more detail, please. Personally checked? Yes!

      Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
      Violated the instructions

      And what is its violation, in more detail, please. Personally checked? Yes!

      I’m not a tanker, but by the nature of my service I know the instructions for underwater driving: if the tank has stalled under water, put on an IDP (like that, I don’t remember already), flood it, open the hatches and leave. I don’t know the details of whether it is necessary to set neutral, etc., but for the crew - like that.

      People have sorrow and mourning, and you are still trying to blame him for something, yet, it is not known what really happened there, but you have already made your own conclusions and blamed him.
    2. 113262a
      113262a 3 September 2019 10: 45
      +1
      All driving is in a gas mask!
  8. TTLS
    TTLS 3 September 2019 09: 58
    -6
    I do not quite understand about the survivability of the tank under water ... Did the instructor seal the tank compartments? Or closed waterproof bulkheads? Or drowned out a nuclear reactor? He died by his own stupidity. So it would be — he left the tank, and then the divers simply picked up the tank on the cables and pulled out the tank - this is a common thing. No casualties.
  9. Evil echo
    Evil echo 3 September 2019 09: 59
    +4
    Condolences to relatives and colleagues. It seems that the driver shoved, but he could not. Let's hope that they tell the truth.
    1. pv1005
      pv1005 3 September 2019 10: 19
      +2
      Quote: Evil Echo
      It seems that the driver shoved, but he could not

      This is not a T-34, here you can drown five times until you get mehan.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 3 September 2019 10: 44
        +3
        why get to it? the instructions are clear. When they put on the SP, they pulled out the triplexes, they flooded and left. The instructor comes out last, like the tank commander. but what he didn’t get out is a question ...
      2. 113262a
        113262a 3 September 2019 10: 46
        +1
        The mechanic will get the widest hatch horseradish!
        1. Lieutenant colonel
          Lieutenant colonel 5 September 2019 03: 23
          0
          Again write nonsense ...
          1. 113262a
            113262a 5 September 2019 08: 24
            0
            ))))))))) Are we here exactly about tanks?
  10. Mekey Iptyshev
    Mekey Iptyshev 3 September 2019 10: 32
    -7
    Gerbil, Kashtak, Atamanovka, Antipikh, etc. .. 212 UTs. Who served on Chita, like. wink
  11. DPN
    DPN 3 September 2019 10: 32
    +3
    The only question is whether he could get out of the tank or NOT, there is no heroism and they don’t say bad things about the deceased.
  12. monah
    monah 3 September 2019 10: 52
    0
    There is no investigation to discuss Nothing yet! Sorry for the guy, the kingdom of heaven, who believes! And the options ... at 70 on Dupov they managed to drown the tank (PT76) and turn it under water! With the strained IP46 they came up, and then they dragged the piece of iron for two days!
  13. Rwmos
    Rwmos 3 September 2019 11: 20
    +3
    Yeah Well, why drag in the struggle for survivability ... What could he do there with a tank for survivability? Inflate to pop up ?!
    It’s a pity, of course, man, but at least in such cases the MO did not make a gag
  14. yehat
    yehat 3 September 2019 11: 51
    0
    Quote: carstorm 11
    violation is that he did not leave the car.

    In addition, how can one continue to remain in the car when a part of the crew has already fallen open by opening the hatch?
  15. yehat
    yehat 3 September 2019 11: 57
    0
    Quote: TTLS
    and then the divers just picked up the tank on the cables and pulled out the tank - it’s a matter of life

    at a depth of 4 meters, if the water is not cloudy, you can dive without divers
    ordinary guys who can swim can stay at this depth for 1 dive of 20-30 seconds
    my record (without moving) remained under water for almost 5 minutes
    finally, you can simply launch 2 tanks with a cable so that they pick up the car as a net and pull it out in shallow water. But it depends on the bottom of the reservoir.
  16. Givi_49
    Givi_49 3 September 2019 13: 03
    0
    Specialists, explain, is it possible to fight for the survivability of the tank, if, on your order, the driver entered the tank and its hatch is most likely open?
    1. Lars971a
      Lars971a 3 September 2019 16: 11
      +2
      The crew does not fight for the survivability of the tank, it’s absurd. There are two ways: 1. If the tank stopped the engine under water and no one tried to start it, then just sit and wait when the tank is evacuated by a tug, which must be without fail when overcoming the water obstacles, as well as divers. 2 Slowly flood the tank, wait until it is full and then get out of the tank, but this is an extreme case, because the flooded tank is capital, at best it is suitable only for driving. Something like this
  17. flanker7
    flanker7 3 September 2019 22: 21
    0
    Well, how so? Instructor, how the most prepared and died?
    Is that not true with IP, and he lost consciousness? ...
  18. Lieutenant colonel
    Lieutenant colonel 5 September 2019 03: 37
    0
    There is a certain sequence of actions of the tank crew when overcoming a water obstacle along the bottom. One of them is that when approaching a water barrier, the crew must turn on the regeneration system in the IP, then, when the car stops at the bottom and an unsuccessful attempt to start the engine under water, put on the IP masks and take 2-4 breaths to start the full operation of the isolating gas mask. Then - at the command of the commander on the TPU (intercom), each crew member must take out one "triplex" and report to the commander about their readiness to leave. After complete flooding, the crew opens the hatches and gets out of the car. The commander controls the exit of the gunner and checks whether the mechanic came out.
    This is very brief ...
    The instructor most likely could not join the IPK .....
    It happened .... unfortunately. Even on land, not everyone could turn on the IPshka correctly.