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Russia offers to buy MiG-29 from Malaysia and put MiG-35

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Russian President Vladimir Putin sent a special representative to Malaysia, who should negotiate with the local leadership on enhancing military-technical cooperation between the countries.




The presidential envoy was Viktor Kladov, who oversees the international direction at Rostec. According to him, Putin, having an extremely respectful attitude to Prime Minister Mohamad Mahathir and to the country as a whole, is ready to contribute to the development of Malaysia, including in matters of security.

According to the Russian special envoy, past experience in cooperation has made it possible to reach agreements on the sale of MiG-29N in 1995 and Su-30МКМ in 2003 as a result of “compromise decisions on palm oil”.

Kladov said Putin favors the full redemption of 18 non-flying MiG-29N Royal Air Force (RMAF) aircraft and the acquisition by [Malaysia] of two squadrons of 35 ++ generation MiG-4 fighters

- writes the local edition of The New Straits Times.

As indicated, “according to a similar scheme” (that is, by repurchasing American equipment? ..) the possibility of replacing the Sikorsky S-61 Nuri fleet, which has been operating for half a century, with new Russian cars, is being considered:

Mi-171 next-generation helicopters ... they are UN-tested workhorses during the conflict in Afghanistan

- said Kladov, adding that it is also proposed to purchase “Yak-130 light combat aircraft on flexible terms”, which “will provide a win-win situation for both countries.”

Other offers include the sale of Ansat, Mi-8 / 17 and Ka-32A11DC helicopters for the needs of the Navy and the Fire and Rescue Agency, seaplanes for tourism development on the islands.

We are awaiting a decision on these issues in the near future during a meeting of two leaders in Vladivostok

- noted Kladov.
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  1. Aerodrome
    Aerodrome 3 September 2019 06: 17
    +28
    According to the Russian special envoy, past experience in cooperation has made it possible to reach agreements on the sale of MiG-29N in 1995 and Su-30МКМ in 2003 as a result of “compromise decisions on palm oil”.
    buy from the Malays MiG 29, for their own palm oil! yes
    1. Ka-52
      Ka-52 3 September 2019 06: 29
      +3
      Aerodrome (Aerodrom) Today, 06: 17 NEW
      According to the Russian special envoy, past experience in cooperation has made it possible to reach agreements on the sale of MiG-29N in 1995 and Su-30МКМ in 2003 as a result of “compromise decisions on palm oil”.
      buy from the Malays MiG 29, for their own palm oil!

      Do not inflate this stupid palm oil fake.
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 3 September 2019 06: 30
        +11
        bad with humor? requestalthough .... find and provide information that this is a fake ... I did not find.
        1. Ka-52
          Ka-52 3 September 2019 06: 38
          +4
          bad with humor? request

          so it’s worth saying and the experts will immediately jump laughing
          1. Vladimir16
            Vladimir16 3 September 2019 11: 25
            0
            Quote: Aerodrome
            find and provide information that this is a fake ... I did not find.

            In your opinion, you need to write lies, and who doubts let them prove that this is a lie?
            The main thing that clings to the living? Lie with three boxes and enjoy the reaction?

            Yes, you, my friend, will go far.

            And of course, instead of the Russian words, it’s necessary to lie, use nonsense, deception to use an overseas fake. If tightened on the tongue to say that this is just a fake.

            Only among the people they are also called "in English" - ... bol. To put it mildly balabol.
          2. lukewarm
            lukewarm 3 September 2019 14: 45
            0
            Quote: Ka-52
            experts will immediately jump

            laughing There will be fewer "experts" now - they went to school.
      2. armata_armata
        armata_armata 3 September 2019 07: 57
        +5
        Do not inflate this stupid palm oil fake.

        You are right not Malaysia, but Indonesia for palm oil wink
        https://ria.ru/20170807/1499896539.html
        1. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 3 September 2019 09: 12
          +6
          I don’t understand what kind of connection is there between palm oil and an airplane. Our state does not sell products, the United Aircraft Corporation, too. Salaries to workers with this oil also can not give out, who is the beneficiary?
          1. bayard
            bayard 3 September 2019 23: 46
            +3
            Quote: Herman 4223
            I don’t understand what kind of connection is there between palm oil and an airplane. Our state does not sell products, the United Aircraft Corporation, too. Salaries to workers with this oil also can not give out, who is the beneficiary?

            It's very simple - Americans can block / arrest / confiscate transactions made in dollars. To bypass the calculation in dollars, the calculation is made in RUBLES, which the aircraft buyer must earn (it is also much more interesting for him) by selling to the Russian market ... let it be "palm oil", since they have it and our business is interested.

            And for those who are against the use of this product in the food industry of Russia (and I am one of them), the consolation may be that those who need it (freshly palm oil) in production will buy it anyway, but for dollars, paying for transactions and not allowing Rosoboronexport to sell our aircraft. For rubles!
            India over - also buys C-400 for rubles.
            And happy.

            This is essentially an agreement on counter deliveries, which allows balancing mutual trade and going to the benefit of both parties.
            1. Herman 4223
              Herman 4223 4 September 2019 12: 21
              0
              Maybe it is, only it turns out too tricky. You can simply pay in national currencies. Or buy rubles on the exchange.
              1. bayard
                bayard 4 September 2019 12: 58
                +1
                Quote: Herman 4223
                You can simply pay in national currencies

                So they counted in rubles, and the ruble is the national currency of the Russian Federation.
                Quote: Herman 4223
                Or buy rubles on the exchange.

                This is also a transaction in dollars and it can be blocked \ arrest \ confiscate. The country is not rich and such risks are dangerous for it. Another thing is to earn rubles and buy everything you need on them. This is an additional motive for cooperation - both their producers \ budget and our defense industry + budget earn.
                Everyone is happy.
                Vaughn Putin, in order to revive interest, offered to buy the flightless MiG-29 (16 pieces) from Malaysia and in exchange to sell a couple of squadrons (24 pieces minimum) of the MiG-35, as well as the Yak-130 and Mi-171.
                Such a marketing move with a profitable disposal of non-flying junk (they will go to recycling anyway). Everyone is pleased - the buyer saves the seller an increase in sales.
                1. Herman 4223
                  Herman 4223 4 September 2019 13: 58
                  0
                  I mean, sell them planes for Malaysian rubles. Or that they would buy our rubles on their stock exchange for their Malaysian rubles (not dollars). This is probably possible.
                  1. bayard
                    bayard 4 September 2019 14: 52
                    +3
                    If between our countries there is no agreement on currency swaps for trade in nat. currencies, then this is a problem. Moreover, the amount is large and the size of the swap may not cover it. Are there many who want to buy Malaysian rubles in Russia?
                    These are troubles and inconveniences. First of all, for the Russian side.
                    Aircraft deliveries will last for years - at least 5 years, and payment should be made in stages - prepayment for each batch according to the delivery schedule. Therefore, it will be more convenient for everyone if the Malaysians are given the opportunity to sell their products in Russia for rubles and later from the Russian box. bills to pay your contracts.
                    So much more convenient for EVERYONE:
                    - they sell and earn
                    - and we sell and earn.
                    You yourself try to exchange Vietnamese, Mongolian or Angolan currency in Russia ...
                    Thanks to such contracts, the ruble is becoming an increasingly demanded currency.
                    1. tracer
                      tracer 4 September 2019 15: 14
                      -1
                      I am also against palm oil in food, but in production it is probably needed (maybe they smear molds). And if its volumes of purchases for currency are comparable in price to the plane and for the period of the contract, then why not? And no one will be able to impose any sanctions. With all my passion.
              2. Rostislav
                Rostislav 5 September 2019 00: 10
                0
                According to the laws of Indonesia (Malaysia has nothing to do with it), any import must be paid for by 50% by counter deliveries of products.
      3. Stas157
        Stas157 3 September 2019 07: 58
        +9
        Quote: Ka-52
        Do not inflate this stupid palm oil fake.

        Now "patriots" will tell us about the exceptional benefits of the palm tree. Meanwhile, a palm curse hung over Russia. Each new year is a record for palm consumption. Growth by 20% per year! And in absolute terms, it has already exceeded one million tons !!

        I would like to ask these gentlemen-patriots, well, if you like vegetable oil so much, then what does your homeland do not suit you with? That would be even more useful. Both for agricultural growth and consumer health. And it turns out: what’s better - uncle, worse - yourself. We sell our sunflower and rapeseed abroad, and we purchase a strange palm.
        1. Vadim Golubkov
          Vadim Golubkov 3 September 2019 08: 16
          +2
          View statistics on palm oil consumption in the world and Europe by country.
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 3 September 2019 08: 55
            +15
            Quote: Vadim Golubkov
            View palm oil consumption statistics for the world and Europe

            And you yourself look, total consumption in the world is not growing at such a terrible pace, and in Europe, palm imports are limited by law. In Russia, the consumption of food products and the production of perfumes are also not growing at such explosive rates. And this suggests that the palm replaces other previously used oils. Each imported ton of cheap palm oil is minus a ton of some domestic, vegetable or animal.
            1. bulvas
              bulvas 3 September 2019 09: 01
              -3
              Quote: Stas157
              And this suggests that the palm replaces other previously used oils. Each imported ton of cheap palm oil is minus a ton of some domestic, vegetable or animal.


              So do not buy. Which is easier.

              Who does not want - does not consume palm or any other oil or any other substitutes

              Do you propose to ban cheap alcohol too?

              It is also consumed a lot in Russia

              1. Victorio
                Victorio 3 September 2019 09: 05
                +10
                Quote: bulvas
                So do not buy. Which is easier
                No

                ===
                it’s hardly possible, unless it will be officially banned, and since it’s palm, they’ll put it almost everywhere, it’s enough to read the composition of many, many products
                1. Johann Klassen
                  Johann Klassen 3 September 2019 11: 29
                  +4
                  I don’t know if the use of palm oil is limited in the EU.
                  I know one thing, in Germany and in bakery products, and chocolate of well-known trends, such as "Milka" and many others, and in milk and dairy products, as well as in baby food, palm oil and fat are added.
                  1. vladcub
                    vladcub 3 September 2019 16: 18
                    +1
                    I heard about this and they showed me a wrapper from under some of their sweets and there was palm oil in it. True, although I learned German, once, but without a dictionary I won’t read anything .. Therefore, I checked for the word
                  2. yehat
                    yehat 3 September 2019 17: 34
                    +2
                    the dose also matters
                    you take ice cream from us - just the thought of what muck IT is made of?
                    But what about the share of impurities?
              2. Stas157
                Stas157 3 September 2019 09: 17
                +3
                Quote: bulvas
                So don't buy. Which is easier.
                Who does not want - does not consume palm

                And it’s nowhere to be sold separately in stores. And if there was a demand for it, then they would definitely sell! It is included in the composition of the products. But finding products without a palm tree is becoming increasingly difficult.
                1. bulvas
                  bulvas 3 September 2019 09: 30
                  -2
                  Quote: Victorio
                  put almost everywhere, just read the composition of many, many products


                  Quote: Stas157
                  It is included in the composition of the products. But finding products without a palm tree is becoming increasingly difficult.


                  I don’t understand something.

                  If it is written that there is an undesirable component in the composition, who or what prevents to refuse to buy this product?

                  Who's stopping you from going into a certain store selling low-quality products at all, but going to any other?

                  Notice, no one is indignant against cheap sausages or cheap alcohol?

                  1. Victorio
                    Victorio 4 September 2019 08: 41
                    0
                    Quote: bulvas
                    I don’t understand something.

                    ==
                    what is already laid almost everywhere, or that you have to refuse to buy the entire confectionery at least? but there are options - luxury products, or home
                    1. bulvas
                      bulvas 4 September 2019 09: 24
                      0
                      Quote: Victorio
                      Quote: bulvas
                      I don’t understand something.

                      ==
                      what is already laid almost everywhere, or that you have to refuse to buy the entire confectionery at least? but there are options - luxury products, or home


                      Which choice?

                      If you prohibit cheap substitutes - only expensive products (or home) will remain

                      Do you think butter will immediately fall in price?

                      On the contrary, it will rise in price, cheap products will disappear, and expensive products will become more expensive.

                      Natural dairy products are also more expensive.

                      1. Victorio
                        Victorio 4 September 2019 09: 53
                        0
                        and why should oil go up in price, is there little land or forbs? in addition, there are local varieties of sunflower, at worst rapeseed varieties. in soviet times, the whole south was in sunflower and oil factories ..
                      2. bulvas
                        bulvas 4 September 2019 10: 01
                        0
                        Quote: Victorio
                        and why should oil go up in price, is there little land or forbs?


                        production always lags behind consumption. The demand for natural milk and butter will increase - the price will naturally rise.

                        They will be able to increase production - it will go down again
                2. polar fox
                  polar fox 3 September 2019 11: 39
                  +2
                  Quote: Stas157
                  And it’s nowhere to be sold separately in stores.

                  in "Metro" a year ago they sold in layers of 5 kg ...
              3. Ehanatone
                Ehanatone 4 September 2019 00: 07
                0
                "Do you propose to ban cheap alcohol too?"
                Why is it cheap? For the most, most indecent take out, yes put 230 p. finely chopped ....
                1. bulvas
                  bulvas 4 September 2019 00: 16
                  -4
                  Quote: Ehanatone
                  What a binge


                  You know better than what the binge is, but the wine is very cheap, if necessary, take a look at the lower shelves
                  1. Ehanatone
                    Ehanatone 4 September 2019 00: 21
                    +1
                    Well, usually up to 200 p. it’s not very wine anymore, a decent one starts at 300, and then only on stocks ...
                    Well, I wrote, let's say about the very expression of the serpent - vodka! ... smile
                    1. bulvas
                      bulvas 4 September 2019 09: 18
                      -1
                      Quote: Ehanatone
                      Well, usually up to 200 p. it’s not very wine anymore, a decent one starts at 300, and then only on stocks ...
                      Well, I wrote, let's say about the very expression of the serpent - vodka! ... smile


                      I'm not talking about prices
                      I ask, should cheap alcohol be banned, like cheap food?

                      Why are they opposed to cheap substitutes in some products and not opposed in others?

                      if society needs cheap products, you have to use substitutes for expensive natural products.

                      If they are banned, there will be no cheap products on the market.

                      Who can - buys natural, but expensive, who can not - buys substitutes.
                      1. Ehanatone
                        Ehanatone 4 September 2019 09: 24
                        0
                        "Who can - buys natural, but expensive, who cannot - buys substitutes."
                        I completely agree with the substitutes ....
                        but I talked about the fact that we do not have cheap alcohol due to excise taxes ....
                        that is, we talked about different things ...
                      2. bulvas
                        bulvas 4 September 2019 09: 27
                        0
                        Quote: Ehanatone
                        but I talked about the fact that we do not have cheap alcohol due to excise taxes ....
                        that is, we talked about different things ...



                        how is it not?
                        there is a relatively normal wine, say, from 300 - 400 rubles per bottle
                        (although, in fact, it is believed that a decent wine is at least 1500 per bottle, but for table wine 300 - 400 rubles can be conditionally considered the starting price.
                        For example, in Italy, I once bought wine, Chianti Reserve, for 16 euros.
                        They explained that the year (2004) was not very successful and it was recognized not the best, its normal price in a good year was 60 - 80 euros.
                        But I liked it and the price was acceptable)


                        but there are in boxes, for 120 - 180 rubles (I can be mistaken, I did not look closely), per liter

                        cheap - does not mean that it costs subjectively little, but the fact that its price is lower than high-quality analogues
                      3. Ehanatone
                        Ehanatone 4 September 2019 09: 38
                        0
                        "there is a normal wine, say, from 300 - 400 rubles per bottle
                        but there are boxes "
                        Again about different things:
                        the cost of alcohol production is about 10-20 rubles per liter, ...
                        the cost of production of vodka is 20-30 rubles, already per bottle ...
                        The rest is excise taxes!
                        Wine production is a little different, it's mainly wine materials, and a small proportion of natural grape wines, the latter cannot cost us less than 500 rubles for 0,7 ...
                        Why do we have it, because who goes to France, for example, argues that they are not fine wines, i.e. this year's harvest, cost 1-2 euros, and it's all from grapes, not powder ....
                      4. bulvas
                        bulvas 4 September 2019 09: 46
                        0
                        Quote: Ehanatone
                        Again about different things:


                        finish on this
                        hi
            2. Eduard Egorov
              Eduard Egorov 3 September 2019 17: 26
              0
              In Europe, palm oil consumption of 5,9 kg per year per person, in Russia 6kg per year per person, in India 7kg per year per person, in Russia 5,7% consumption decreases every year, in the USA 4kg and it grows by 10% per year, but there is also Canadian artificial oil, I don’t know what it is the best palm oil.
            3. 9PA
              9PA 4 September 2019 14: 00
              0
              VAT on palm 10%, the remaining 20%. Why so xs
          2. Piramidon
            Piramidon 3 September 2019 09: 41
            +4
            Quote: Vadim Golubkov
            View statistics on palm oil consumption in the world and Europe by country.

            And what, alignment with "Europe"? They also allowed same-sex marriages. And if they spread grease on bread, then we also need to take an example from them ?.
            1. Ehanatone
              Ehanatone 4 September 2019 00: 09
              0
              "And if they spread grease on bread, then we also need to take an example from them?"
              Solid oil will be expensive! ...
          3. Keyser soze
            Keyser soze 4 September 2019 10: 08
            +1
            statistics of palm oil consumption in the world and Europe by country.


            We have palm products on separate shelves labeled "imitation product". And if someone invests a palm tree in normal products, they immediately close the enterprises.
        2. Constructor68
          Constructor68 3 September 2019 08: 23
          +3
          Meanwhile, just a palm curse loomed over Russia

          Urgently need to connect the exorcists laughing
          The curse is not in palm oil. And in facts, for example, when the RPN raids on milk brands in stores and in 70% of products Russian manufacturers finds FALSE. And in some, and E. coli with mold. Are you talking about a palm tree?
          1. armata_armata
            armata_armata 3 September 2019 08: 56
            +2
            Curse is not in palm oil

            This is exactly a curse when we start selling planes for locusts, but what about a food product wassat
            https://ria.ru/20190722/1556749979.html
          2. Stas157
            Stas157 3 September 2019 09: 00
            +2
            Quote: Designer 68
            70% of the products of Russian manufacturers is found FALSE. And in some, E. coli

            I still do not understand the meaning of your objection. Yes, what you indicated is bad, but how does this justify the explosive increase in palm consumption? Or do you think that if it’s bad in one place, you shouldn’t look at other problems?
            1. Dym71
              Dym71 3 September 2019 12: 09
              0
              Quote: Stas157
              I still do not understand the meaning of your objection. Yes, what you indicated is bad, but how does this justify the explosive increase in palm consumption?

              And these are links of one chain yes
              1. Dart
                Dart 3 September 2019 13: 01
                -3
                of course the links .... in the topic about airplanes throw manure about a palm tree and inflate the topic of polymers ...
                1. Dart
                  Dart 4 September 2019 21: 25
                  -2
                  ... and sho tse take, for sho minus? really pissing in the eyes? laughing
            2. Constructor68
              Constructor68 3 September 2019 14: 47
              -3
              I still do not understand the meaning of your objection.

              For those who do not immediately come to explain. The problem is not palm oil. To make it clear to the slow-witted one I will give an example with interior animal fat. By itself, interior animal fat is a product as a product, neither good nor bad. Whether it is necessary to ban it or to yell like local commentators yell about palm oil - also, as it were, not. But manufacturers allow falsification of oil, replacing expensive milk fats with cheap interior fats. That is, this is not a product problem, but a manufacturer problem. Which replaces animal fats with vegetable fats and does not write about it on the label. Replaces milk fats with spreads and does not write either. Any buyer with the availability of detailed information and most importantly reliable can always make an individual choice - to take a natural product or with substitutes (price question). Counterfeiters do not give us this choice. I hope this reaches everyone who has tantrums with palm oil
        3. abc_alex
          abc_alex 3 September 2019 08: 43
          +1
          Quote: Stas157
          I would like to ask these gentlemen-patriots, well, if you like vegetable oil so much, then what does your homeland do not suit you with? That would be even more useful.

          Eeeee ... And what, our producers are asking someone, what kind of oil where to shove?
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 3 September 2019 09: 07
            +6
            Quote: abc_alex
            Eeeee ... And what, our producers are asking someone, what kind of oil where to shove?

            For this, there is a state with its state institutions, ministries and departments. They are called upon to regulate and regulate production and procurement activities for the benefit of the state. In Europe, they imposed restrictions on the palm, both in quantity and in quality. What prevents us from doing this? Interests of a narrow circle that warms hands on the import of cheap palm trees?
            1. abc_alex
              abc_alex 3 September 2019 09: 37
              +1
              Quote: Stas157
              What prevents us from doing this?

              Do you think food manufacturers are so straight toothless? You will recall how the attempts to force them to label their products honestly, without deceiving the consumer, ended.
              1. Ehanatone
                Ehanatone 4 September 2019 00: 14
                -1
                "You will remember how they ended up trying to get them to label their products honestly, without deceiving the consumer."
                And what actually ended - like they write on labels what it consists of? ...
                1. abc_alex
                  abc_alex 5 September 2019 01: 44
                  0
                  Quote: Ehanatone
                  like they write on labels what it consists of? ...

                  They tried to force them to write "dairyProduct" or "spread" or something like that whenever the palm tree was used. They fought back. We limited ourselves to small inscriptions on the label.
          2. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 3 September 2019 10: 01
            -3
            Quote: abc_alex
            And what, our manufacturers are asking someone where to shove oil?

            But Putin is to blame. That does not stand above everyone and does not check that they put it there
            1. AA17
              AA17 3 September 2019 13: 17
              +2
              Dear Lipchanin. "But Putin is to blame," you wrote. Yes, I'm sorry.
              "... MOSCOW, December 18, 2014 - RIA Novosti. Russian President Vladimir Putin noted that responsibility for everything that happens in the country rests with the head of state and he is not going to evade it.
              "The responsibility for everything that happens in the country always rests with the head of state, and further down the rankings," the president said during the annual press conference.
              "I have never shied away from this responsibility, and I am not going to shrink," Putin added.
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 3 September 2019 13: 30
                -1
                "... MOSCOW, December 18, 2014 - RIA Novosti. Russian President Vladimir Putin noted that responsibility for everything that happens in the country rests with the head of state and he is not going to evade it.

                "The cat abandoned the kittens, Putin is also to blame"
                Maybe stop juggling?
                Putin should be responsible for everything, and everyone else should watch how he answers and do nothing by himself?

        4. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 3 September 2019 09: 00
          +4
          It’s not ordinary citizens who decide, palm trees are cheaper and there is no need to invest in animal husbandry. People do little, and people do.
        5. Antokha
          Antokha 3 September 2019 09: 32
          -2
          Now "patriots" will tell us about the exceptional benefits of the palm tree.

          No need to hang tags, Stas. Patriotism for palm oil has nothing to do. You want to bite people from around the corner for their patriotism, well, here's the standard answer: if you don’t like the country, go ahead to another for permanent residence. Airplane and train are waiting. I am a patriot, and I am against palm oil.
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 3 September 2019 10: 40
            0
            Quote: Anton
            Patriotism for palm oil has nothing to do.

            Calm Anton, I think so too. Therefore the word "patriots" I quoted in my comment.
            1. Antokha
              Antokha 4 September 2019 12: 19
              +1
              Quote: Stas157
              Therefore, I put the word "patriots" in quotes in my comment

              First they took, then no longer
              these gentlemen patriots
              .
              In the world of textual battles, when there is no intonation or facial expression, each quote is important. ;)
              Maybe call the people you mentioned false patriots? The word is well-established. Then the real patriots will not be offended. And that word, for example, "hurray-patriots" is used by liberals against real patriots. Sorry for the overly violent and misguided reaction. :)
        6. tomket
          tomket 3 September 2019 09: 51
          +2
          Quote: Stas157
          I would like to ask these gentlemen-patriots, well, if you like vegetable oil so much, then what does your homeland do not suit you with?

          a) Palm trees do not grow in Russia. b) I have not heard that sunflower oil would be used, for example, in cosmetics.
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 3 September 2019 10: 32
            +1
            Quote: tomket
            I have not heard that sunflower oil would be used, for example, in cosmetics

            If all purchased palm was used only in cosmetics, there would be no problem. But this is something completely different. Not all purchased palm trees go into cosmetics. And cosmetics production does not grow at 20% per year, as palm purchases simplify. The whole increase in purchased palm goes mainly to the food industry. This is what we eat ourselves.
        7. Rwmos
          Rwmos 3 September 2019 11: 01
          0
          Ah ... So they got out ...
        8. Eduard Egorov
          Eduard Egorov 3 September 2019 12: 54
          0
          The Soviet Union bought palm oil 2mln tons per year, Russia 2 years ago 1mln, now 885thousand a year, Europe 2,9mln a year, India, Russia are the most popular palm oil purchases at 17, you don’t have to be patriots but just a normal person, and where it’s confirmed the government that Russia pays for palm oil by air. If there is nothing in the head, then first of all, mother and father are to blame
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            1. Ka-52
              Ka-52 3 September 2019 16: 53
              -1
              Well, where do you get this nonsense? You probably didn’t live in the USSR either,

              stop hysteria! In the USSR, the people ate margarine in almost the same amount as butter. And margarine in comparison with palm oil is much more harmful. And now he has not disappeared from the shelves. And in cooking it is used actively. Well, you ardent fighter, are you fighting with margarine? Or fight with rapeseed oil, which at least goes as a substitute for animal fats in milk, as well as a fake of sunflower oil. Come on, get the banners
        9. Stalllker
          Stalllker 3 September 2019 13: 40
          0
          And who told you that palm oil is harmful ??? In the USSR, they shoved it all in all, and it is believed that products in the USSR were better.
    2. Siberia 75
      Siberia 75 3 September 2019 07: 55
      +5
      It is good that the "defenders" are working in close connection with diplomats and the government (as it should be). We will not move ourselves, competitors will not doze.
    3. DPN
      DPN 3 September 2019 10: 39
      0
      , for their own palm oil! yes
      What do you want, the top without Vologda oil to leave such oil for all the people there will not be enough buza.
    4. Bookcase
      Bookcase 3 September 2019 12: 37
      +2
      It seems that palm oil has become an element of the information war. You just take advantage of the fact that the inhabitants of Russia do not know about the worldwide use of palm oil. All pastries in the West are made with the addition of this oil. Only the most expensive products are made in the old classic way. And there is nothing wrong with this oil. Of course, there are various nuances in its production, but these nuances are everywhere.
      1. Ka-52
        Ka-52 3 September 2019 16: 59
        -1
        It seems that palm oil has become an element of the information war. You just take advantage of the fact that the inhabitants of Russia do not know about the worldwide use of palm oil. All pastries in the West are made with the addition of this oil. Only the most expensive products are made in the old classic way. And there is nothing wrong with this oil. Of course, there are various nuances in its production, but these nuances are everywhere.

        it’s just that someone, once, threw it on the fan, and the rest thoughtlessly carried it like magpies.
  2. parma
    parma 3 September 2019 06: 23
    -3
    Would give then immediately ...
    1. dik-nsk
      dik-nsk 3 September 2019 08: 28
      +2
      Kladov said Putin favors the full redemption of 18 non-flying MiG-29N Royal Air Force (RMAF) aircraft and the acquisition by [Malaysia] of two squadrons of 35 ++ generation MiG-4 fighters
      What's the problem? the usual trade-in is used, including by all auto giants in the civilian world, and, imagine, this is only a plus hi
      1. parma
        parma 3 September 2019 09: 31
        +1
        Quote: dik-nsk
        Kladov said Putin favors the full redemption of 18 non-flying MiG-29N Royal Air Force (RMAF) aircraft and the acquisition by [Malaysia] of two squadrons of 35 ++ generation MiG-4 fighters
        What's the problem? the usual trade-in is used, including by all auto giants in the civilian world, and, imagine, this is only a plus hi

        Yes, but with a trade-in, the car must be of a certain age (up to 10 years, and for many, even less. Tk will go for resale) and on the go ... The MiG-29 of the Malaysian Air Force has long been not flying (on conservation) and under the age of 25 ... The purchase will probably again be "on barter" or on credit (which will then be written off), those are not real money .. I understand that the contract with Malaysia at one time can be called the only achievement of the MiG in 1990- x, but now in honor of what are these preferences?
        1. tomket
          tomket 3 September 2019 09: 57
          +1
          Quote: parma
          I understand that the contract with Malaysia at one time can be called the only achievement of the MiG in the 1990's, but now in honor of what are such preferences?

          The only achievement? Are you seriously ?
          1. parma
            parma 3 September 2019 11: 33
            0
            Quote: tomket
            Quote: parma
            I understand that the contract with Malaysia at one time can be called the only achievement of the MiG in the 1990's, but now in honor of what are such preferences?

            The only achievement? Are you seriously ?

            for 90, yes, except Malaysia (with its 20 airplanes with almost 600-millionth contract), airplanes were delivered only to Peru and Bangladesh ... Altogether for 90-e they delivered 31 aircraft, a huge success ...
            1. tomket
              tomket 3 September 2019 13: 52
              0
              Quote: parma
              for 90 yes except Malaysia

              It turns out not the only thing ....
  3. Old tanker
    Old tanker 3 September 2019 06: 27
    -1
    We will redeem scrap for the loot, and salt the novye for palm oil. What is called business in Russian - we will give the last shirt for the illusion of love.
    1. Ka-52
      Ka-52 3 September 2019 06: 37
      +3
      We will redeem scrap for the loot, and salt the novye for palm oil. What is called business in Russian - we will give the last shirt for the illusion of love.

      that is, when food is imported into the Russian Federation for currency this is a normal business in your opinion. And you enjoy chewing potatoes from Egypt, greens from Israel, fish and meat from Argenitina, seafood from Asia, dairy products from Belarus, Finland, Ukraine, etc.
      And then the supply of your military products, which already includes both income and the ability to load your military factories with production (and even when it comes to supporting Migov workers, even more so) in exchange for exactly the same food product, you immediately got a lump in your throat and caused shouts of "Ahtung! they are fooling us!"?
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 3 September 2019 06: 42
        +6
        wink
        Quote: Ka-52
        chewing potatoes from Egypt, greens from Israel, fish and meat from Argentina, seafood from Asia, dairy products from Belarus, Finland, Ukraine, etc.

        I don’t eat such waste ... all my or local.
        1. Ka-52
          Ka-52 3 September 2019 06: 50
          +8
          I don’t eat such waste ... all my or local.

          how to listen - no one eats abroad, but the volume of food imports to Russia suggests otherwise. I looked at Google - 2017 in the Russian Federation imported 223 thousand tons of cheese and cottage cheese, 322 thousand tons of milk, 90 thousand tons of butter and 643 thousand tons of meat. on 28,8 billion! Who ate all this then? laughing
          1. Aerodrome
            Aerodrome 3 September 2019 06: 58
            +10
            Quote: Ka-52
            Who ate all this then?

            just not we in the "outback"! potatoes and other vegetables, meat, milk are local, so I think "non-rubber" and other "millionaires" live on waste.
            1. DEDPIHTO
              DEDPIHTO 3 September 2019 07: 18
              +3
              Quote: Aerodrome
              Quote: Ka-52
              Who ate all this then?

              just not we in the "outback"! potatoes and other vegetables, meat, milk are local, so I think "non-rubber" and other "millionaires" live on waste.

              + 1000 good I’ll also add environmentally friendly fish, mushrooms, forest meat .. mm .. How is it these poor fellows in ,, non-rubber, live, it’s not clear. But then their cut paper is not as scarce as ours winked ... do you think it's worth changing our all to their waste paper? laughing
              1. tomket
                tomket 3 September 2019 10: 01
                0
                Quote: DEPHIHTO
                forest meat .. mm ..

                Forest meat ?????))))))))
                1. DEDPIHTO
                  DEDPIHTO 3 September 2019 10: 06
                  +3
                  Quote: tomket
                  Quote: DEPHIHTO
                  forest meat .. mm ..

                  Forest meat ?????))))))))

                  Hmm, it's hard for you to be urban ... laughing Animals not only live in zoos. yes
                  1. tomket
                    tomket 3 September 2019 10: 16
                    0
                    Quote: DEPHIHTO
                    Hmm, it's hard for you to be urban ...

                    Wow, my God)))))) Why are there zoos, we only saw them in the city!))))) What can I see there)))))) By the way, I visited the ruins of Kafa (Feodosiya, Genoese fortress ) found out that it was from there that the plague or the Black Death came. Well, I heard on the news how in Kazakhstan a person recently died from the plague, having tasted groundhog meat. Comparing two and two .... Bon appetite, so to speak.
                    1. DEDPIHTO
                      DEDPIHTO 3 September 2019 10: 20
                      +1
                      Quote: tomket
                      Bon appetite so to speak.
                      This mustache is fine! Have a nice one you too! hi
                      ps Kazakhstan, heat, bacteria .. br-r. Groundhogs are small animals, I suppose I got stuck in the old plague burial and hello.
                      1. tomket
                        tomket 3 September 2019 10: 50
                        +2
                        Quote: DEPHIHTO
                        Groundhogs are small animals, I suppose I got stuck in the old plague burial and hello.

                        Animals, rodents, in general, carriers of plague pathogens, if that. And the Black Death of the Middle Ages was caused by the migration of rodents.
                      2. DEDPIHTO
                        DEDPIHTO 3 September 2019 11: 05
                        +1
                        The local population of these groundhogs only pile on hamsters, they still use and sell marmot fat for medicinal purposes. But only ONE got sick, unless of course it was from marmot meat that they got sick ... Marmots are herbivorous rodents and can eat insects and caterpillars to the heap. And that's all - unlike other rodents like rats, which do not disdain carrion. In vain you roll a barrel on groundhogs because of an isolated case.
                      3. tomket
                        tomket 3 September 2019 13: 56
                        0
                        Quote: DEPHIHTO
                        And only ONE got sick, unless of course it was from marmot meat that he got sick

                        Somewhat sick there. He died alone.
                        Quote: DEPHIHTO
                        Marmots rodents are herbivorous and can eat insects and caterpillars before heaps

                        You can’t tell about marmots, they live near my village. I know some more.
                        Quote: DEPHIHTO
                        In vain you roll a barrel on groundhogs because of an isolated case.

                        The case is not an isolated one. You just need to understand the risks when eating a wild belly for food.
            2. tomket
              tomket 3 September 2019 10: 00
              0
              Quote: Aerodrome
              just not we in the "outback"!

              I would like to know what kind of "hinterland" is this?
              Quote: Aerodrome
              potatoes and other vegetables

              Fresh tomatoes in winter, too, their own?
              Quote: Aerodrome
              milk - local

              Milk ... Does each cow keep its own? Wild boar? Is that all right?
          2. Yngvar
            Yngvar 3 September 2019 07: 27
            +4
            Who ate? Who does not sow and does not plow! My dear capital ...

            Well, on the topic, I suppose, this "exchange" of aircraft will not be made at a loss!
          3. Voyager
            Voyager 3 September 2019 08: 04
            +2
            Not for the sake of argument, but on the contrary it is necessary to get rid of palm oil in products, and they buy it more and push it to the market recourse
            1. Constructor68
              Constructor68 3 September 2019 08: 14
              +2
              Not for the sake of argument, but on the contrary it is necessary to get rid of palm oil in products, and they buy it more and push it to the market

              Nonsense is complete. You need to get rid of palm oil, which is a common product, like so many others. And from falsification. When manufacturers issue natural product spreads
              1. Voyager
                Voyager 3 September 2019 10: 30
                -4
                Due to its cheapness, palm oil displaces other products. It is now difficult for an average person to buy something without palm oil in the composition, regardless of whether it is fake or not. Nonsense is in your head if you do not understand it.
                1. Constructor68
                  Constructor68 3 September 2019 14: 35
                  -2
                  in your head if you don't understand it.

                  Personal insults as an argument are a sign of gnop-gopnic education. The counterfeit problem is a manufacturers problem, not a product problem. Palm oil has a lot of places of application, where it is quite beneficial. If this is difficult for you to understand due to the above mentioned education, I will give you another simple analogy: the Kalashnikov assault rifle is capable of killing people and is often used for this. Is this the problem of the manufacturer, product or person pulling the trigger?
                  1. Voyager
                    Voyager 3 September 2019 16: 57
                    -1
                    Quote: Designer 68
                    Nonsense full.

                    If you want to tell me something, please do it initially politely, and not like a tram hamlo. Or pass by. I didn’t order your rude and boorish remarks. And you wouldn’t open your mouth on the subject of upbringing, for it’s already hypocrisy: to look for specks in someone else’s eye, while you yourself know what.

                    As for the argument, I described everything in detail above. If you didn’t notice this or, again, just didn’t understand, I’ll chew it in more detail: such purchases of palm oil with a low cost thereof and to the domestic market stimulate manufacturers to shove this product into almost all types of food products. I repeat once again: I do not care about the fake, I did not talk about it at all and the relevant authorities should deal with this issue.
                    Is this the problem of the manufacturer, product or person pulling the trigger?

                    Neither one nor the other nor the third. This is the problem of the "end consumer" who gets shot. So look at your own analogy from this angle. We are talking about the dominance of the market for products with palm oil in general, as a substitute for butter. Why? That's right, the uncompetitive price of creamy in comparison with palm. The latter, as I have already said, is pushed by the state to the market, buying this product in tanks for airplanes. Not for money that could be used to subsidize dairy farms and the supply of their products. And as a result, it turns out that banal cookies or dozens of other types of products without palm oil are now difficult to find in most stores focused on the bulk of people. In expensive ones, yes, you can buy and buy. The curtain.
                    1. Ka-52
                      Ka-52 4 September 2019 12: 06
                      0
                      oils with low cost thereof and to the domestic market stimulate manufacturers to shove this product into almost all types of food products. I repeat once again: I do not care about the fake, I did not talk about it at all and the relevant authorities should deal with this issue.

                      write frank nonsense. Nobody stimulates anything. Lack of control by the District Consumer Supervision and slowness (laziness, negligence, indifference) of the Ministry of Industry and Trade stimulate violations in the food production sector. Any manufacturer can apply palm oil and other vegetable substitutes, but must indicate this in the composition on the label. And in that case should not apply original name (butter, milk, cottage cheese), but must indicate "dairy product", "curd product", etc. In this case, the consumer himself can choose WHAT product to buy - with or without substitutes. The criterion is price. And you found the last one - the oil itself. They gave you the correct analogy - whoever pulls the trigger is responsible, not whoever produces (legally) weapons. Alibaba from "Gentlemen of Fortune" diluted gasoline with donkey urine. Are the donkeys to blame or Alibaba? Your "logic" is amazing ...
                      1. Voyager
                        Voyager 4 September 2019 12: 19
                        0
                        And you didn’t hear there either. The problem with counterfeiting or incorrect display of information on the label is (read lips) perfect. another one. problem.

                        In this case, the consumer himself can choose WHICH product to buy - with or without substitutes.

                        There is practically no choice and this is a key message. It is worth going into the top five and looking for the cookies I mentioned above, and you will have to seriously strain yourself to find this without using palm oil. On creamy it’s just practically no on sale in popular chain stores or stalls. Therefore, the average consumer will find such a product with great difficulty, not to mention the price. I don't give a damn about the cost, I can conditionally give not 100 rubles for a cookie, but 300. But it is not. It's just stupid no. In some alphabet of taste there is, but you cannot call it a store for the mass consumer, and the cost there will already be 500-600 for premium and the status of a "farm product".
                        Nobody stimulates anything.

                        You are mistaken. Do not be so naive.
                        With such purchases of oil (palm oil) at the government level, domestic sales are carried out accordingly. It costs manufacturers even cheaper than if they were looking for a foreign supplier on their own.
          4. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 3 September 2019 08: 12
            -1
            Quote: Ka-52
            no one eats foreign

            And they move exclusively on domestic cars. They dress only in what they themselves sewed. I'm not talking about household appliances in the house
            1. DEDPIHTO
              DEDPIHTO 3 September 2019 08: 36
              +3
              Quote: Lipchanin
              Quote: Ka-52
              no one eats foreign

              And they move exclusively on domestic cars. They dress only in what they themselves sewed. I'm not talking about household appliances in the house

              Yes, in domestic cars, I didn’t have a single foreign car from 12! I also try to buy clothes, for example, from the Ivanovo factory, and even from the times of the USSR, some clothes are quite suitable. With household appliances, of course, an ambush, all manufactures were ruined by globalist liberals market .. perhaps only our Biryusa refrigerator. So here are the apologists of the consumer society, the patriots of foreign birulets. tongue
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 3 September 2019 08: 46
                +1
                Congratulations hi
                Bust in the central square soldier
            2. tomket
              tomket 3 September 2019 10: 05
              +1
              Quote: Lipchanin
              They dress only in what they themselves sewed.

              Sew a little. You need to grow flax yourself. Cloth to weave. Wool And it’s also not clear from what all these soulless people make fabrics. Again, though, maybe flax is being planted incorrectly. And domestic cars are also few. It is necessary that it would be made in his forge. And the ore is also what it would be. Personally mined.
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 3 September 2019 10: 14
                0
                Quote: tomket
                Sew a little. You need to grow flax yourself. Cloth to weave. Wool

                What about shoes? Bast shoes themselves weave.
                1. tomket
                  tomket 3 September 2019 10: 21
                  +1
                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  What about shoes? Bast shoes themselves weave.

                  Bast shoes yes. It is sacred. Wife's lapti-louboutins, children’s lapti-adidases, winter bast shoes and slippers-slippers.
                  1. Lipchanin
                    Lipchanin 3 September 2019 10: 29
                    +2
                    Quote: tomket
                    Winter bast shoes

                    Aha. He threw a jersey and into the forest for hunting.
          5. Herman 4223
            Herman 4223 3 September 2019 09: 06
            +1
            They sell foreign, write that local.
        2. Den717
          Den717 3 September 2019 07: 27
          +2
          Quote: Aerodrome
          I don’t eat such waste ... all my or local.

          One might think that "local" "other people's waste" under their own brand does not sell ?! A certain "collective farm chairman" earned millions on such imports, and, most importantly, no one died. laughing
        3. Grits
          Grits 3 September 2019 07: 57
          +5
          Quote: Aerodrome
          I don’t eat such waste ... all my or local.

          To call Rogachevskaya condensed milk a waste is the height of cynicism. None of our plants are able to provide such quality as this Belarusian product. They just continue to work within the framework of GOST
          1. tomket
            tomket 3 September 2019 10: 11
            +3
            Quote: Gritsa
            To call Rogachevskaya condensed milk a waste is the height of cynicism. None of our plants are able to provide such quality as this Belarusian product. They just continue to work within the framework of GOST

            I confirm. He worked just with condensed milk, a Russian producer, Rogachevka is the number one competitor with which it is practically impossible to fight if you take the quality of the product. Closest to all Korenovka came closer to them, but even that, still not that ..... As I understand it, the person who wrote above makes the condensed milk himself, like sugar, boils salt, brews beer, spices- Provencal herbs in Uryupinsk collects in the garden.
          2. Ros 56
            Ros 56 3 September 2019 15: 55
            0
            Belgorod condensed milk from Volokonovka is no worse, thick, fragrant, but alas, I already ate my own. Only a spoonful of coffee.
      2. Ros 56
        Ros 56 3 September 2019 07: 13
        +2
        Well, how much can you lie, potatoes, cucumbers, tomatoes, squash caviar, we eat our own, milk and eggs from the nearest district in the area 20-100 km. There is a good local fish and meat where to breed and catch, but about greens do not shit at all, people here set greenhouses in the former green farm, all year round everything is local and fresh. And if you are lazy, then who is to blame for you?
        1. Ka-52
          Ka-52 3 September 2019 07: 27
          -4
          no fucking fuck

          who is telling you lies, talker? There are statistics on food imports, open and read. And your rant about "I only eat my own" is not at all in the subject. It's not about who personally what products are stuffing their womb, and how many products are imported into the country.
          1. Ros 56
            Ros 56 3 September 2019 07: 56
            +5
            So eat your statistics, and we will consume our products. No one has died without jamon, parmesan and bananas from avocados, as my mother used to say: the age of poppy did not give birth, and there was no hunger. But try to live without potatoes, vegetables and meat, and I'll see. And it’s not necessary to drag it all from behind a hillock, give your people the opportunity to grow it and don’t have to strangle them with stupid checks and taxes. No one is against pineapples and dates, well, they do not grow with us, and coffee does not grow with cocoa, but why drag something that they themselves can grow?
            1. Ka-52
              Ka-52 3 September 2019 08: 05
              +1
              So eat your statistics, and we will consume our products. No one has died without jamon, parmesan and bananas from avocados, as my mother used to say: the age of poppy did not give birth, and there was no hunger.

              and let’s tell you more about growing pigs and how you please your woman. What is not in the topic of the article? I agree. Well, I wrote to you above that what is being discussed is not who personally eats what, but the fact that Russia still imports food products. The diet (and its origin) of a certain Yuri Pupkin from the Upper Krivotupa village is not discussed. What do you poke your potatoes? I myself enjoy eating what I can see growing. But I’m not writing about it. Tell me, in what place do you have a breakdown of the process of thinking and you can not understand the essence of the discussion?
              1. Ros 56
                Ros 56 3 September 2019 08: 42
                0
                At the crown I look strained with convolutions, only two, and even those straight. fool
                1. Ka-52
                  Ka-52 3 September 2019 16: 40
                  +1
                  Ros 56 (Yuri) Today, 08: 42 NEW
                  At the crown I look strained with convolutions, only two, and even those straight.

                  an argument like "he is"? I see the potato "arguments" are over, kitchen fighting techniques are used laughing
              2. Andrey VOV
                Andrey VOV 3 September 2019 09: 59
                +1
                All countries of the world sell some products, buy some, and not only those that they don’t produce themselves ... it’s enough to approach figures and statistics on the one hand. Moreover, in Russia since 2020 of the year, almost barrage duties on the import of palm trees have been introduced, and confectioners have already begun to howl at this
            2. tomket
              tomket 3 September 2019 10: 25
              +1
              Quote: Ros 56
              But try to live without potatoes, vegetables and meat, and I'll see.

              What do you say to Herod the unspiritual? How can I eat overseas potatoes? Ali forgot the food of the great-grandfathers By here the king-antichrist brought potions, and are you glad to write satanic tubers?
              1. Ros 56
                Ros 56 3 September 2019 15: 58
                0
                Well, do not like potatoes, crack turnips with kvass, we do not mind. lol
            3. tomket
              tomket 3 September 2019 10: 32
              -1
              Quote: Ros 56
              No one is against pineapples and dates, well, they do not grow with us, and coffee does not grow with cocoa, but why drag something that they themselves can grow?

              I recall a respected one of the not unimportant reasons for the collapse of the USSR. As you know, the countries of the Caucasus have specialized in fruit, and were, on a national scale, monopolists. If potatoes were grown in Belarus and Belgorod, for some reason tangerines did not want to grow in Belgorod. And everyone wanted to eat them. At the same time, the Georgian comrades in favor of the state tried not to send liquid, and to save the very best products for the market, for their little gesheft, thereby enriching themselves, causing property stratification in society across the country. If you want the Gogi to walk side by side like you did in the late Soviet Union, and you looked into his mouth like a rich and respected person, then for God's sake, continue to carry on your heros.
              1. Ros 56
                Ros 56 3 September 2019 15: 51
                +1
                He himself understood what nonsense he wrote?
        2. Den717
          Den717 3 September 2019 07: 33
          +6
          Quote: Ros 56
          And if you are lazy, then who is to blame for you?

          In the conditions of the Far North and equated with them, not everything that should be in the diet is growing. In such areas in Russia, a third of the territory. Entrepreneurs who live near you, bringing their products to us, break the prices for it beyond the limits, such that Brazilian ones are cheaper. Everything is not as simple as it seems on the couch.
        3. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 3 September 2019 08: 51
          0
          Quote: Ros 56
          potatoes, cucumbers, tomatoes, squash caviar we eat our own, milk and eggs from the nearest district in the area 20-100 km. There is a local benefit of fish and meat where to breed and catch, but about greens do not shit at all, here people put greenhouses

          I have an apartment xnumx squares feel
          Nowhere request
          1. Ros 56
            Ros 56 3 September 2019 15: 49
            0
            And where does the apartment in 18 squares?
      3. Old tanker
        Old tanker 3 September 2019 14: 39
        0
        You didn’t understand anything! I am not against barter fighters for palm oil in fact. I don’t understand why should we redeem Malaysian scrap metal?
        Elementary Watson, the cost of a modern MiG will be cheaper by the amount of "buyback". That's all!
        Putin respects the prime minister of Malaysia, and therefore airplanes are cheap. Like in the days of the USSR.
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 3 September 2019 06: 45
    +6
    as a result of "compromise solutions for palm oil" to reach sales agreements
    The management, of course, knows better with whom and how to trade, to whom and in what way to sell weapons. For some reason, I remembered the 90s - "tricky" barter and everyone seemed to be happy. But then one of the parties begins to understand that someone was trying to deceive someone.
  5. rocket757
    rocket757 3 September 2019 07: 12
    +1
    There are pluses, there should be a minus in this way.
    All the same, there will be more pluses. Nobody works without profit, now .... what other "gingerbread" besides her will be? This is for the politicians, this is their "carrots".
  6. Nycomed
    Nycomed 3 September 2019 07: 29
    0
    I re-read it three times, so I didn’t understand anything. Explain smart heads! recourse
    1. V1er
      V1er 3 September 2019 07: 50
      +2
      Everything is simple. Malaysia has an old moment - 29, which have exhausted their resources. Our bright minds want to exchange them for a new instant-35, with a surcharge from Malaysia in the form of products and resources (including palm oil - a fat substitute, soap, cosmetics, technical grease).
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 3 September 2019 08: 56
        -2
        Quote: V1er
        Our bright minds want to exchange them for a new instant-35, with a surcharge from Malaysia in the form of products and resources (including palm oil - a fat substitute, soap, cosmetics, technical grease).

        And fso? No more clauses in the contract?
        Have you seen the entire contract?
        Why do you think Russia is such a stupid country that it is trading at a loss?
        1. V1er
          V1er 3 September 2019 09: 50
          0
          I did not see the contract. I explained this very simplistically in the spirit of the article.
          Indonesian authorities intend to supply coffee, palm oil and other commodities to Russia in exchange for Su-35 fighters, said Indonesian Minister of Commerce Enggartiasto Lukita.

          Source Jakarta Post. How does this relate to the current situation? I don’t know, these are just my assumptions. Of course, I am for cash and against loans and oils. Although barter is also an interesting thing, it is too corrupt. Sale, resale, effective managers who must sell this oil. Too muddy, too many muddy hands. When, as an invoice, to the state treasury, it is simple and understandable.
          Quote: Lipchanin
          Why do you think Russia is such a stupid country that it is trading at a loss?

          Unfortunately this already happened. And what does it mean at a loss to yourself? Effective managerial officials will not trade at a loss laughing
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 3 September 2019 10: 10
            -2
            Quote: V1er
            Although barter is also an interesting thing, it is too corrupt. Sale, resale, effective managers who must sell this oil. Too muddy, too many muddy hands. When, as an invoice, to the state treasury, it is simple and understandable.

            Yes, in any trade agreement there is barter. There is no purely foreign exchange agreement. Any part of the barter.
            Unfortunately, this has already happened

            When the USSR was. As I embarked on the Socialist path, so please. But even then it was not often.
            And what does it mean at a loss to yourself?

            At a loss to the state
            Effective managers

            This chewing gum is not tired yet? How many years have you been chewing. It's time to spit it out already
      2. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 3 September 2019 10: 01
        -1
        Who told you that the supplement is exactly how you wrote ???????? Well, have you read the draft agreement ??
        1. V1er
          V1er 3 September 2019 10: 04
          +1
          And you read that I wrote above your comment, my second answer?
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 3 September 2019 07: 51
      +2
      To explain, you need to be really in the subject ... do we have such here?
      Common sense dictates that without a profit, such a deal will not be made .... but one must be in the subject to prove it.
      In short, we believe this or that.
      1. Ka-52
        Ka-52 3 September 2019 07: 59
        +3
        To explain, you need to be really in the subject ... do we have such here?
        Common sense dictates that without a profit, such a deal will not be made .... but one must be in the subject to prove it.
        In short, we believe this or that.

        we must not forget that the supply of military equipment is only the tip of the iceberg. Pilot training, supply of spare parts, repairs, and subsequent upgrades in total can amount to no less than the initial cost of the equipment itself
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 3 September 2019 08: 42
          0
          Quote: Ka-52
          we must not forget that the supply of military equipment is

          THIS is understandable and not forgotten. These are additional "goodies" in addition to direct benefits. There are also "goodies", not directly, not directly schaz-z-z .... they will be, if the deal is done correctly.
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 3 September 2019 08: 57
            -2
            Quote: rocket757
            There are also "goodies", not directly, not directly schaz-z-z .... they will be, if the deal is done correctly.

            It is like an international treaty. There are for printing, but the main years of commercials on 100 will be classified
      2. V1er
        V1er 3 September 2019 07: 59
        +1
        Yes, the whole point is that there is no specifics in the article. There is a desire to supply our equipment and a reference to the old experience of deliveries in exchange for oil, and the vague wording "flexible terms" (I think that on credit, nowadays it is fashionable). It is difficult to draw any precise conclusions here.
    3. mark1
      mark1 3 September 2019 07: 53
      +3
      Promotion of a new product to the market. Stage One - boil at least a carcass, at least a stuffed animal.
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 3 September 2019 08: 03
        +2
        They have MiGs - very quickly rotted into disrepair. And the service there seemed in all its glory, while the Irkutsk Sushki fly.



        At the same time, they really liked the Hornets + the fact that Russia is very friends with Indonesia is generally muddy, which will burn out even under very favorable conditions, because it is planned to sign a solid contract for a used batch with a modernization of the Hornets in 1 in 2020 of the year.
    4. Voyager
      Voyager 3 September 2019 08: 03
      +1
      See it as "hand over your old iPhone and get a new one with a surcharge."
      Two questions remain, what is the surcharge and why do we need Mig-29 with a spent resource
      1. tomket
        tomket 3 September 2019 10: 37
        0
        Quote: Voyager
        Two questions remain, what is the surcharge and why do we need Mig-29 with a spent resource

        You can put them on a pedestal. It is possible to use as targets in an airship. You can look at the results of corrosion in a humid climate.
  7. Grits
    Grits 3 September 2019 07: 59
    +1
    Something I will not understand - what is the point of buying out old Mig-29? What will we do with them later? Restore or scrap? if scrapped - then you can break them in Malaysia
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 3 September 2019 08: 18
      +2
      Well, why are they Malaysia? There is generally a dark story. MiG - says that the Malaysians began to climb with their own hands where it should not be, and not to call and call the team (for money). The Malaysians say that MiG sold them aircraft without service and are not very fit. As a result, they began to die already in 5 years, and through 10 - only 6 cars flew. Now - 0 is already a couple of years old.

      Therefore, the Air Force insists on the Hornets, have already bought a trial batch and are satisfied. The signing of another 12 used hornets (they say even the numbers have already been chosen) is planned for 1 sq 2020 of the year.

      The rest is also not very clear:
      Nuri on the Mi-17? Only if it comes out on a list and convinces the army / air force that amphibianism is not needed. For Mi-17 cannot do this, but for Malaysia it is quite important.

      Ansat - flew by. For Augusta has already been purchased. And immediately Luhuri - that is, with body kits. Why would they need another light helicopter, even worse - less worked out?



      Mi-17 / Ka-32 - also a bit late, Watermelons have already been purchased. Even at the parade passed.


      Anchors are the most real, but there is a T-50 from Koreans in competitors who also courted Malaysians. In the meantime, the Air Force plays in the Indians, apparently waiting for the Hawks to fall apart or sign a contract for a new type = if the Hornets + take the T-50 with a trailer.


      In general, a really strange activity - like the last 3 of the last year (when Malaysia invested a lot of money in rearmament and an arms race with Indonesia) they were not noticed, and when the train was already leaving, they began to pour in a bunch of proposals, Su-35 should be added as parity with Indonesia.
      1. Nycomed
        Nycomed 3 September 2019 09: 24
        0
        This is not a T-50, this is a Hauk, one: 100 or 60 and two 200.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 3 September 2019 09: 51
          0
          Now they have Hawks. In the future, their Koreans with the T-50 are courting, so the ROE woke up with a proposal for Anchors.
          - noted Kladov, adding that it is also proposed to purchase “light combat aircraft Yak-130 on flexible conditions"Which" will provide win-win situation for both countries».

          Well, if it comes out to shove MiGi / Su (again for balance with Indonesia) then Yakori can be a trailer. But if they in 1kv 2020 of the year still conclude a solid contract for the 12 Hornets with modernization, then the T-50 trailer will go. Something like this would look logical for the Air Force. After a series of corruption scandals, now they are trying to work there more or less logically, the purchase of Tward does not count.
    2. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 3 September 2019 08: 59
      -1
      Quote: Gritsa
      Something I will not understand - what is the point of buying out old Mig-29? What will we do with them later? Restore or scrap? if scrapped - then you can break them in Malaysia

      It is possible to upgrade quickly to the level of Mig-35, because the contract with Egypt and the possible one with India must be fulfilled on time. Assumption. This link can be used to clearly compare the differences between the cockpits and control panels of the Mig-29, Mig-29 SMT, Mig-35 fighters.
      https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5cf12ade637c6c00af6c6506/o-novenkom-mige-povedaiu-slovo-5d68c777bc251400adc31065
  8. donavi49
    donavi49 3 September 2019 08: 00
    0
    The main problem of the military-technical cooperation with Malaysia is Indonesia. They have an aggravation there again. Therefore, either supply Su-35 to Indonesia or something to Malaysia.

    Malaysia was about to conclude a new aircraft contract at the Hornets, even chose (used) cars for modernization.
  9. Nycomed
    Nycomed 3 September 2019 08: 08
    0
    Thank you, enlightened a little, I understood the main thing: palm oil and credit. But for the "scrap" MiG-29, somehow not very much. I’m getting stupid, apparently, the pension is already the other day, senile insanity. request
    1. V1er
      V1er 3 September 2019 09: 54
      0
      Quote: Nycomed
      "scrap" MiG-29, somehow not very.

      I don’t really understand either. If, as they say, these twinks failed because they were not properly serviced, then our enterprises can restore them for the needs of the Air Force (possibly) or disassemble them for spare parts. But, I am more inclined that this is a marketing ploy. Like discounts. The same marketing is used when selling televisions and cars.
    2. tomket
      tomket 3 September 2019 10: 43
      0
      Quote: Nycomed
      Thank you, enlightened a little, I understood the main thing: palm oil and credit. But for the "scrap" MiG-29, somehow not very

      Well, the Christmas tree sticks. This is a common marketing move. What are you really like children. In your store near by, every day such transactions and contracts occur.
  10. steelmaker
    steelmaker 3 September 2019 08: 36
    +1
    And there was a proposal to privatize all state corporations. And how do these privatizers then hope to sell their products without state support. I believe that on the contrary it is necessary to nationalize everything related to the security of the country.
  11. kupitman
    kupitman 3 September 2019 09: 06
    +2
    I read the article, like they write about MIG29, read the comments, everyone read about palm oil fellow
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 3 September 2019 09: 56
      +3
      Palm oil will be. They actually threw the Europeans out of the aircraft pool because of their unwillingness to take healthy, tasty, universal and better quality than the Indonesians:
      Malaysia wants to cancel purchases of European fighters due to EU refusal of palm oil
      The Prime Minister spoke at the launch of the "Love My Palm Oil" campaign at the Sime Darby plantations in Pulau Cary.

      Plus, Malaysia, in the 2018 year, withdrew small police units from Yemen, and before the end of this year, it will officially close the mission to train Hadists and completely leave Yemen. That is, the loot from the Saudis is everything. Only the buttercup will remain.
  12. Pavel57
    Pavel57 3 September 2019 11: 26
    0
    I wonder what is the residual life of the MiG-29? The Hindus were ready to buy them, apparently referring to the modernization and extension of the resource.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 3 September 2019 13: 21
      +1
      There were big misunderstandings with the service. Some of the cars flew very little - they caught breakdowns and went to spare parts. Then, in recent years, 6-7 (but not until today, but before 2015 years), 6-7 machines were supported, the rest are donors. 15-16 years - several cars flew. After 16 year = 0.
  13. CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN 3 September 2019 11: 52
    0
    the full redemption of the 18 non-flying MiG-29Н Royal Air Force (RMAF) aircraft and the acquisition by [Malaysia] of two squadrons of 35 ++ generation MiG-4 fighters

    Oh how .... Trade-in in the defense industry. It's funny
  14. Pavel57
    Pavel57 3 September 2019 13: 28
    0
    The largest producers of palm oil are Malaysia (17 million tons), Indonesia (20 million tons).
    World palm oil production in 2005 - about 47 million tons. Since 2016, palm oil has surpassed the production of soybean oil, rapeseed oil and took first place among the production of vegetable oils, ahead of 2,5 times the production of sunflower oil.
    The United States Department of Agriculture estimates that the largest consumers of palm oil for food are India, China, EU-27, and the United States. In terms of the use of palm oil for food purposes, Russia is in the 17 place, in the 16 place - Japan /
  15. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 3 September 2019 13: 41
    +1
    Yes, your debate is powerful. However, the problem is not oil, but the abolition of Soviet GOSTs. They were canceled and it became possible to put shit in products, including palm oil ...
    1. Pavel57
      Pavel57 3 September 2019 13: 44
      0
      I agree with one caveat - ... it became possible to uncontrollably put low-quality palm oil.
      1. Dzafdet
        Dzafdet 3 September 2019 13: 45
        0
        In general, it can not be consumed. Better to use canola, sunflower. But we can only talk about the development of the village .. Listen to Grudinin ..
  16. Pavel57
    Pavel57 3 September 2019 16: 21
    +1
    Rapeseed oil is grown for technical needs, primarily as a fuel. Cleaning it to the level of requirements for a food product is not an easy task, solved only in Canada. Do we need it? especially rape spoils the arable land very much.
    Let Grudinin eat it himself.
    But with sunflower everything seems to be fine. We have few olives, it is))).
  17. vladcub
    vladcub 3 September 2019 16: 25
    +1
    Comrades, I'm not catching up a bit: "buy out the MiG 29 and deliver the MiG-35" what the hell are we 29th? Malaysia understands the win, but we do. Someone will be able to explain what it is and what it is eaten with?
  18. yehat
    yehat 3 September 2019 17: 35
    0
    Quote: bulvas
    I don’t understand something.

    If it is written that there is an undesirable component in the composition, who or what prevents to refuse to buy this product?

    and you present a picture - they sell ice cream and 10 varieties of palm oil, there are no others
    your choice? proud to leave? but in the next store the same thing!
  19. demo
    demo 4 September 2019 12: 06
    0
    Some shout that our MIGs, but for palm oil!
    Others yell - prove it!
    After Rosstat published data in late January that in November of the 2018 of the year Russia significantly increased the import of palm oil and its fractions - the growth compared to November of the 2017 of the year was 84,5% - a number of media sounded the alarm. But over the 11 months of last year, the volume of imports into the country changed “only” by 24,1% compared to the same period of the 2017 year, amounting to 946 thousand tons. And according to the analytical service of Realnoe Vremya, the volume of palm oil imports for the entire 2018 year exceeded 1 million tons.

    This data was confirmed by the Federal Customs Service (FCS) on February 6 on February 2019, which presented a sample of the import of the most important goods for January - December 2018 of the year: 1 059,7 thousand tons of “palm trees” worth $ 748,4 million were delivered to Russia over the year. palm oil occupies the 16 position, second only to apples (1,1 million tons), bananas (1,5 million tons), citrus fruits (1,6 million tons) and soybeans (2,2 million tons) among foodstuffs. Thus, in the 2018 year, palm oil imports really increased significantly, but not "almost twice", but by 18,8%. Moreover, since 2015 of the year it has grown by approximately 6-7% per year.
    The main exporting countries of palm oil in Russia in 2018
    COUNTRY COST, $ WEIGHT, KG
    INDONESIA 601.287.747,5 891.644.264,6
    MALAYSIA 67.289.042,7 86.738.477,1
    NETHERLANDS 42.923.791,0 48.479.308,0
    SWEDEN 14.720.877,7 9.774.370,0
    GERMANY 11.552.395,1 15.324.772,8
    ITALY 7.345.238,1 4.474.155,6
    UKRAINE 1.295.399,8 1.518.003,5
    BELGIUM 781.994,6 534.290,0
    SWITZERLAND 768.673,9 958.420,0
    SINGAPORE 349.469,3 221.145,0
    AUSTRIA 42.996,5 33.840,0
    INDIA 34.822,5 34.000,0
    NIGERIA 8.890,9 3.557,6
    FRANCE 5.424,0 300,0
    TURKEY 4.140,0 2.162,2
    JAPAN 1.734,7 2.560,0
    BELARUS 1.531,2 5.902,0
    SYRIAN ARAB REPUBLIC OF 771,2 386,5
    Total 748.414.940,6 1.059.749.914,9
    Ministry of Agriculture is ready to ban the use of palm oil

    Major suppliers are Indonesia and Malaysia.
    Well, in the Netherlands, Sweden and Germany it’s clear that it’s not possible to pass between palm trees
    1. demo
      demo 4 September 2019 12: 07
      0
      Who drags palm oil to Russia, poisons Russians and does not make it possible to make Russian products truly useful?

      This is Mr. State Duma speaker, by the name of Volodin. However, in the State Duma all the valdins ...

      In order not to be unfounded I will cite a few facts:

      A little bit about palm oil. In itself, palm oil is a very valuable product, but fresh, but refined is already disgusting. Just refined are imported to Russia

      Palm oil, which is imported into Russia by rail cars, is prohibited in almost the whole world, in Europe, in Belarus, in Ukraine. This is Volodin’s business, therefore this poison is allowed with us.

      Palm oil is a surrogate, a cheap substitute for butter or other valuable oil. Palm oil is shoved everywhere: sweets, milk, and other products. Cheeses

      He himself started a business, somehow getting oil and fat plants in several regions of Russia at his disposal, and after politicians of the highest rank were forbidden to conduct business, a miracle happened. His elderly mother, who had worked as a teacher all her life, had an entrepreneurial gift and now she:

      Vyacheslav Volodin's mother is the owner of the Invest Holding LLC, which is registered in Moscow. Lidia Barabanova also owns a number of companies in the Novoduginsky district of the Smolensk region: LLC "Agricultural Enterprise" Bobrovo ", LLC" Agrostandart ", LLC" Gorodnyansky Gardens "LLC" Medical Center "Health", LLC "Agricultural Enterprise" Meshcherskoe ", LLC" Zaimka " , NP "Forest hunting" Gorodnyanskoe ". The last two enterprises own hunting grounds. Wiki

      When Medvedev told teachers that if they lack money, then they need to go into business, he meant the mother of his accomplice Volodin

      One of the leaders in the import of palm oil (PM) in Russia is LLC Solnechnye produkty, a member of the financial and industrial group Buket Vladislav Burov, the founder of which is Chairman of the State Duma Vyacheslav Volodin.

      According to Olga Yezhova, PR director of the Buket group, “Vyacheslav Volodin was one of the founders of the Solar Products holding at the end of the 1990, he owned a blocking stake in the company, but sold his share in 2007.”

      Thus, Volodin created, in due time, a structure that lobbies the interests of palm oil importers to the detriment of the development of the Russian dairy industry. Agree, it is more profitable for capitalists to plant a country on a cheap and harmful product, to profit from the use of this product than to invest in dairy farming.

      And the fact that palm oil contains salts of heavy metals and which negatively affect the health of the population, especially children, does not bother them.

      By the way, pensioners, as a low-income population, buy cheap products, and the cheapness of these products is provided by the use of palm oil. Naturally, this does not improve the health of the elderly and contributes to their care.

      This fact pleases our government, since old people who have gone before the deadline will not receive a pension and will not rob, thereby, the Pension Fund ...

      Up there, they have mutual responsibility and everything is against Russia.
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  21. Sergei Novozhilov
    Sergei Novozhilov 4 September 2019 14: 42
    +1
    I wish our old VAZs bought the plant in Naberezhnye Chelny and delivered new grants and viburnum instead! Auto trash on the roads would be less