As a result of flooding in the Krasnodar Territory, more than 12 thousands of people were affected.

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As a result of flooding in the Krasnodar Territory, more than 12 thousands of people were affected.


As a result of flooding in the Krasnodar Territory, more than 12 thousands of people were injured, of whom 320 people (including 48 children) applied for medical assistance, reports “RIA News».

As reported earlier by the operational headquarters at the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia, 144 people were killed. Ministry of Emergency Situations has data on 134 dead. Information about the missing agencies do not lead.

According to the Ministry of Emergency Situations, 104 was hospitalized to a person: seven - to the Municipal Healthcare Institution of the Central City Hospital of Gelendzhik, 97 (of which 13 children) - to the Municipal Institution of the Crimean Central Children's Hospital. Previously reported 77 hospitalized.

On Monday, victims of floods in the Kuban will begin to pay 10, 50 and 100 thousand rubles, and the families of the victims - 2 million rubles, the administration of Krasnodar region reported earlier.

At a meeting in Krymsk, Russian President Vladimir Putin instructed the Emergencies Ministry and Rostekhnadzor to monitor the situation on the Neberdzhayevsky reservoir.



Krymsk: the day after the flood

Flooded houses, fallen fences, overturned cars, local residents who are trying to rake ruins on their own - Krymsk on the day after the flood in a report by an Interfax correspondent
Krymsk (Krasnodar region). 8 July. INTERFAX.RU - Communal services and residents of the Kuban city of Krymsk, the most heavily affected by the flood, tidy the streets and calculate the damage from the elements.

As the correspondent of "Interfax" in the morning of July 8, still remain flooded house, located on the lowlands of the city. Many houses in the private sector are destroyed, and the roof is torn down and lies on the ground. Fences and fences of residential houses were also destroyed. At the same time on the roadsides, as well as on the fences of a meter height are inverted cars. Many of them are still full of water. Locals are trying to rake the ruins on the site of their homes independently and with the help of rescuers. Many suspect that the bodies of the dead may be under the ruins.

Meanwhile, several cars are turned upside down in the riverbed at the entrance to the city. And also at the entrance to Krymsk, the fields with sunflower were completely flooded, overturned cars, as well as multi-ton wagons and gasoline tank trucks lay on the verges. At the same time, in some of the trucks, tents on trailers are torn apart by the flow of water, and the cars are full of silt from the inside.

In turn, emergency services provide assistance to the population of the city, much of which is still in shock from the incident. In the central square of the city, rescuers of the Ministry of Emergency Situations set up numerous tents for the temporary accommodation of residents of houses affected by the disaster, as well as mobile hospitals of the Federal Medical-Biological Agency on duty in the square.

Also in the city reinforced police grouping. As explained to "Interfax" in the State Department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs for the Krasnodar Territory, more than 500 Kuban police officers were involved in the disaster relief and law enforcement work in Krymsk. More 150 employees should arrive at the change of part of their colleagues in the near future. On the eve of the city were recorded two cases of looting. "In the Krymsk district, police detained two local residents suspected of stealing someone else's property. Two citizens were in a private house that does not belong to them. They themselves explain that they are relatives of owners of households. Currently, in fact, operational search activities", - said in a message posted on the website of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation in the Krasnodar Territory. “The detainees were taken to the local department,” it says. In addition, the police detained two marauders in Krymsk who, taking advantage of the flood, tried to steal goods from the local market, a spokesman for the operational headquarters said. “Police officers who are taking measures to prevent looting in Krymsk on Lunacharsky Street detained two people who tried to steal goods from the market. They were taken to the police department for trial,” the official said.

Meanwhile, it became known that the Ministry of Internal Affairs will create special temporary points in Krymsk where residents can quickly recover lost documents. This was announced to Interfax on Sunday by the first deputy minister of internal affairs of Russia, Alexander Gorovoy. "A special point will be operated at the Crimean Department of Internal Affairs, where residents who have lost their documents because of the elements will be able to go quickly to find them. The same will be done through the FMS so that people can quickly recover documents," he said. Gorovoy noted that these items have already begun work.

He added that in all the affected areas of the Kuban there are points where you can restore passports, as well as documents necessary for driving. At the same time, Gorovoy promised that residents of the areas of Kuban affected by the disaster will always be able to get all the necessary assistance in the building of the local police, as well as from each specific employee of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

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    1. Shohmansur
      +29
      8 July 2012 10: 38
      My deepest condolences to the bereaved families. We worry and grieve with you.
      1. Fox 070
        +19
        8 July 2012 10: 55
        Quote: Shohmansur
        We worry and grieve with you.

        I join in your condolences. The Kuban drowns not the first time and this is already becoming a bad tradition. Is it cheaper to regularly pay compensation and bury the dead than to get rid of the hydrological causes of these disasters once and for all? Indeed, a small part of the funds invested in sports facilities in Sochi would be quite enough to protect people from floods.
        1. Shohmansur
          +19
          8 July 2012 11: 02
          You can’t foresee everything. Siberia is also flooding, at least where I live. A week ago there was a downpour, grass was slightly wet on the outskirts, in the center of the village the tornado blew everything to smithereens. Now the main thing is to quickly eliminate the consequences of the accident.
          1. -3
            8 July 2012 19: 54
            Yes, and where do you live in Siberia, and they are in paradise ...
          2. +4
            8 July 2012 20: 36
            In Siberia, floods, people are dying, no one in the country is experiencing, and in the south there is mourning right away, and I believe that every life is valuable, even though you are in Siberia, even in paradise in the south. Not fair. But I'm sorry for everyone.
        2. CC-18a
          -3
          8 July 2012 11: 03
          Quote: Fox 070
          Is it cheaper to regularly pay compensation and bury the dead

          no

          Quote: Fox 070
          how once and for all to get rid of the hydrological causes of these disasters

          impossible

          Quote: Fox 070
          Indeed, a small part of the funds invested in sports facilities in Sochi would be quite enough to protect people from floods.

          no, in the first place money would not be enough, in the second it is impossible even if you have all the resources of the state.


          Fox 070, it is clear that on emotions, or maybe purely your own propaganda goals, you lead, however, emotions and desires from the category of "world peace" should be discarded, because with such false assurances, goals and words, the death toll will grow.
          1. Fox 070
            +4
            8 July 2012 12: 00
            Quote: CC-18a
            or maybe you’re purely pursuing your propaganda goals

            ??? Either justify or apologize!
            Quote: CC-18a
            in the first place there would not be enough money, in the second it is impossible even having all the resources of the state

            The families of the 144 victims will be paid 2 million rubles each. and that's not counting the "normal" victims. The price of one dam, which could protect people and homes, is 12-15 million rubles. So count by simple arithmetic operations.
            Quote: CC-18a
            With such false assurances of goals and words, the number of dead will increase in current.

            ??? Why, I wonder, did my words become "false"? The fact that the Constitution of the Russian Federation guarantees its citizens the right to life, or the fact that in the event of the construction of such a dam, officials will have less pocket money?
            Are you my dear, are you talking? Our population is not 1,5 billion people, as in China, but ten times smaller and every life of a citizen of the Russian Federation should be priceless. Redefine your priorities ...
            1. CC-18a
              -6
              8 July 2012 12: 30
              I wrote what it can, did not say anything, do not be offended. There would be a reason and confidence would write directly.

              Quote: Fox 070
              The families of the 144 victims will be paid 2 million rubles each. and that's not counting the "normal" victims. The price of one dam, which could protect people and homes, is 12-15 million rubles. So count by simple arithmetic operations.

              I thought it’s just interesting for me to build a dam, can I pull you up if people die again for the same reason? clearly refuse ... after all, sitting in the heat and in hindsight is much more ... but no more. But even a cursory glance makes it clear that the dam will not save, we don’t have many places like this to build dams everywhere, and you won’t be isolated from nature.
              in general, people died and this is not a topic for speculation, and fairy tales "yes I would" "yes if" "government" "pzhiv pzhiv pzhiv".

              Quote: Fox 070
              ??? Why, I wonder, did my words become "false"? The fact that the Constitution of the Russian Federation guarantees its citizens the right to life, or the fact that in the event of the construction of such a dam, officials will have less pocket money?

              Hmm ... the fact that you are a troll and a demagogue is immediately obvious. For some time, it was written in the Constitution of the Russian Federation that we have the right to fly freely like birds ... right now, would you also blame the state for not flying? a rhetorical question.

              Quote: Fox 070
              Are you my dear, are you talking? Our population is not 1,5 billion people, as in China, but ten times smaller and every life of a citizen of the Russian Federation should be priceless. Redefine your priorities ...

              Listen to the troll and the demagogue, I’m not a dumb blonde, but I know the adult and the value of life, the real value, and not a pretentious demagogy like yours. I feel sorry for you, because you are either a troll that works against Russia and therefore on the side of evil, or just really stupid!

              This is the end of the conversation with you here.
              God be your judge for the fact that you are clearly speculating on the death of people.
              1. Fox 070
                0
                8 July 2012 12: 55
                Quote: CC-18a
                I'm not a dumb blonde, but an adult

                Do you consider yourself an adult "person"? You are just an overage deb ... l and a hysterical senile.
                Quote: CC-18a
                in general, people died and this is not a topic for speculation,

                You say it to yourself more often. Maybe it will. Ignorant, remember that flood dams have been built for many centuries and this is the most effective and most reliable protection.

                Quote: CC-18a
                For some time, it was written in the Constitution of the Russian Federation that we have the right to fly freely like birds ... right now, would you also blame the state for not flying? a rhetorical question.

                And consider yourself an adult! fool You are clearly "chasing geese" And, apparently, you have serious problems with adequacy.
                Quote: CC-18a
                God be your judge for clearly speculating on the death of people

                Where did you find speculation, cheap stuff? What are you hysterical about this? Or do you have premenstrual syndrome and, as a result, uncontrolled verbal pon ... s?
                1. +14
                  8 July 2012 12: 58
                  We kindly ask you to go to the "PM" for communication.
              2. +3
                8 July 2012 13: 10
                Quote: CC-18a
                we don’t have many places everywhere to build dams, and you won’t be isolated from nature.

                this is all the riverside
                1. CC-18a
                  -3
                  8 July 2012 13: 20
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  this is all the riverside

                  In what sense?
                  So it’s clear, not across.
                  1. +3
                    8 July 2012 13: 27
                    therefore the question is closed, it is neither quietly nor financially IMPOSSIBLE
                    1. CC-18a
                      0
                      8 July 2012 13: 31
                      So am I about that. However, there are unique people who are like 6 year old children.
                    2. Fox 070
                      -1
                      8 July 2012 13: 49
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      therefore the question is closed, it is neither quietly nor financially IMPOSSIBLE

                      Do you think so? In St. Petersburg, the dam has been operating for 350 years and since then it has only been increased. There are many similar examples - search the net and do not be so categorical.
                      1. Brother Sarych
                        +1
                        8 July 2012 15: 23
                        Where is that dam in St. Petersburg. which is 350 years old? What drowned them until recently?
                      2. +1
                        8 July 2012 15: 25
                        the truth is that Peter constantly drowns, and on the houses of the old city funny marks reached the cell; moreover, even the entire pyramid of Peter will not be able to compare with the length of ALL Russian rivers that periodically leave the banks
                      3. throst
                        +2
                        8 July 2012 23: 26
                        you need to know where to build the dam, this time. land needs to be flooded; these are two. to build a dam for more than one year is more than a capital building, it is three.
                        in the first and second - most of the lands of the Krasnodar Territory - farmland. the dam here is more likely to be a minus than a plus.
                        according to the third - such disasters began to occur not so long ago, they have an unstable, seasonal character. it makes no sense to build a dam against this. more than once everything will change. but to start building houses on stilts, for example, with a ground floor level of one and a half meter above the ground - this is quite possible. maybe they will.
                    3. Pessimist
                      +10
                      8 July 2012 13: 50
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      therefore the question is closed, it is neither quietly nor financially IMPOSSIBLE

                      Everything is possible. There are weaknesses that must be kept in order in a timely manner! In 2001, the neighboring town simply drowned our river, and our dam stood, although a path remained from it, instead of a highway! If it had burst through, then our city, exactly half, would have a skiff, water went THROUGH UP 4 meters in height bridges! And you are impossible! EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE IF MONEY ISSUED OUT FOR THE STRENGTHENING OF THE COAST DO NOT STEAL !!! And people are a pity, always ordinary people suffer from thieves in power ....
                      1. Odinplys
                        -2
                        8 July 2012 14: 06
                        Quote: Pessimist
                        Everything is possible. There are weak points


                        Read here ...

                        http://idiot.fm/
                      2. +5
                        8 July 2012 15: 29
                        Quote: Pessimist
                        There are weak points

                        a weak spot can be at any point, I live 40 meters from the river, by and large the words are not expensive, 3 meters wide and waist-deep in the deepest place, last year there was a thaw in February and before that almost every day since December snow, the river rose by 3 meters in half an hour, I have a good drop to house 8 and below the flow everything along the coast was washed away to dicks, so if you build it everywhere you can break through anywhere
                    4. CC-18a
                      -6
                      8 July 2012 13: 59
                      Vasilenko Vladimir So you just read what this 6 year old child writes, he doesn’t know how to read roofing felts, he’s really so stupid, you understand what I’m writing, he’s obviously not. I won’t answer him because I don’t argue with foolish children because children ... And good luck to you with these inadequate ..
                  2. Fox 070
                    +1
                    8 July 2012 13: 40
                    Quote: CC-18a
                    So it’s clear, not across.

                    Smart ass! Protective dams are built along river banks. It was necessary to study in due time, but not to kick a noodle!
                    Do not disgrace, ignoramus.
                  3. +3
                    8 July 2012 18: 19
                    general fox then really troll laughing

                    SS-18a is completely in agreement with the taboo. Just do not explain to the troll that you can’t get away from the elements. He lives most likely in the city, probably in Moscow
            2. Fox 070
              +7
              8 July 2012 12: 36
              And what are these cons?
              Are there really people who believe that we can afford to lose several hundred people in such situations, or does someone naively believe that officials do not steal from us?
              1. Teploteh - nick
                +4
                8 July 2012 12: 59
                Horror. crying sad
                That’s what it means - climate change on the planet. That heat is unprecedented in 2010, then the floods in 2012.
                I feel - further, bigger and worse it will only be. sad - we have in the South Urals - the heat is wild - +33 in the shade.
                The kingdom of heaven is lost and the earth rest in peace. crying
                1. -1
                  8 July 2012 16: 19
                  Quote: Teploteh - nick
                  That’s what it means - climate change on the planet. That heat unprecedented in 2010, then the floods in 2012

                  and it’s not December 21, imagine that on the new year will be what
              2. vasy
                +3
                8 July 2012 14: 07
                Quote: Fox 070
                Are there really people who believe that we can afford to lose several hundred people in such situations, or does someone naively believe that officials do not steal from us?


                Felix, dear, what have you not noticed that the site is completely saturated with "pronounced" approvals and sycophancy ????

                There was a military review, but it became .... a review of how rulers and the Tandem live and serve !!!

                And who admits that Edro was able to miss something ... never, they warned everyone, did everything in advance, but the people are stupid, did not listen to the bosses and did not want to escape ..... and evacuate ....

                Great Pu already said .... there was no technical breakthrough ... and that’s it !!!!

                Remember about Kursk .......... she drowned !!!!!

                This is d .... l .... SS-18 with a mountain river depth of 5-6 meters and a level of 30 meters, with examples of the appearance of a lady from the Crimean administration ... about the allegedly dead officials and their relatives and their swimming cars ???????

                That's just without surnames for some reason ..... !!!

                Go to the sites of Krymsk, read what people say, but yes, there, after all, everyone who is alive ... orange !!!!

                First, the question of the height of the reservoir - Krymsk is located more than 100 meters below the Neberdzhaevsky reservoir !!!!!!!



                References to you, loyal ???? Nate ... read ..... although you read .... anyway ....... stupid or like peas against the wall !!!!

                Here http://www.new-kuban.ru/16.01.02/KX21G002.html, in 2002, it is said that "if it breaks through the dam, the stream will simply demolish the village of Neberdzhaevsky and the city of Krymsk, which will be on its way , since they are clamped on both sides by mountain folds.

                Dozens or even hundreds of people may die.
                The Neberdzhaev reservoir cannot be drained according to the usual scheme, because the lower drain valve, on someone’s smart initiative, is flooded with concrete, and the emergency spillway simply cannot cope with a huge amount of melt water, and it can be clogged with ice, which is now covered with the reservoir.
                The civil defense and emergency situations, where Valery Nikolayevich Nesterenko approached with his proposal to drain the water, refused even to listen: "We have a lot of work."

                We continue further:

                Here http://www.novorab.ru/ArticleSection/Details/2129 says that since 1999 only the reservoir reconstruction project has been developed, no significant work has been done.

                Here http://www.nnvrsk.ru/?article=4954 says that the reconstruction of the "neglected" reservoir will require 600 million rubles.

                There is an interview with an employee and a photo that also characterizes the "neglect" http://novo-city.ru/news/1/27119/s-neba-let-v-krany-ne-popadaet/

                Even Tkachev’s website says the same http://www.antkachev.ru/feeds/news/detail.php?ELEMENT_ID=9036

                Meanwhile, the decisions of the competent authorities contradict each other:

                1) By the decision of the CoES and the Administrative Bureau of the Administration of Krasnodar Krai No. 631 dated 23.03.2009/XNUMX/XNUMX Neberdzhaevskoye inspiration was assigned to hydrodynamic potentially dangerous objects

                2) Here http://www.novodar.ru/index.php/big-tr-punkt/337-duma-cat/1504-sdotsgsnatmogn-10
                -2010 technical condition of the reservoir is considered satisfactory

                Reality puts everything in its place !!!!!!!! - http://www.rtn-tv.ru/index.php/shows/heroes/1596--4-.html - it says that in Novorossiysk they spent 4 days without water due to the fact that on June 7 a hydroblow occurred on the Neberdzhaevsky reservoir, which thwarted the valves at the Fisanovsky reservoir.

                Those. water hammer caused by torrential rains could lead to the fact that the water did not even have to be dumped - the dam could simply break through.

                What do we get? In 2002, a resident, apparently after a smaller flood in the same year, applied to the competent authorities with a warning about an impending emergency in the future.

                For 10 years, practically or absolutely NOTHING has been done to prevent the danger!

                "GLORY" Edru and TANDEMU !!!!! am

                P.S. The theory about the possibility of lowering the Varnavinsky reservoir is probable, this http://www.kbvu-fgu.ru/bvu7011624 official document says that in the summer they collect water from floods.

                But at the same time, this same fact could lead to overflow of the reservoir, which, with the usual level of equipment depreciation in Russia, could become fatal.

                Update.
                The flood in Krymsk was already in August 2002.
                Those. authorities have already prevented TWO discharges of water, which makes the situation even more terrible.

                Update 2 - http://lifenews.ru/news/96517
                Investigators who arrived to inspect the site of the emergency from Moscow and Krasnodar recorded that the gateways on the dam opened automatically for 13 hours.

                So far, the water discharge cannot be called the main reason for such tragic consequences, '' Ivan Sengerov, senior assistant to the head of the Investigative Directorate of the Investigative Committee for the Krasnodar Territory, told Life News. - On the fact of the incident, a criminal case was initiated under the article "Causing death by negligence to two or more persons."
                1. CC-18a
                  +2
                  8 July 2012 14: 24
                  Lord, why are there such idiots?

                  The area of ​​Krymsk and the area of ​​flooding is not fate to compare all this with the area of ​​this small reservoir, which even if it breaks through completely is not enough to pour so much water!

                  Aren't you so stupid? try to pour a glass of water into a bucket, do not have the bucket filled O_O.
                  As I understand it, you are not familiar with the law of physics and simple natural things at all!

                  The village of Neberdzhaevskaya was not hurt, at least there are no cries for destruction, if only there was something like howling like you would have lifted the whole universe. And judging by your stupid claims about the dam breaking over the village, the village should have been completely swept away !!! that is, there’s nothing there now in your opinion ... which is not true ... hence the simple conclusion:
                  1) you are stupid
                  2) Everyone who is trying to pull a natural disaster to the level of the government is to blame for everything. Putin is immoral.
                2. +3
                  8 July 2012 18: 42
                  Quote: Vasy
                  Great Pu already said .... there was no technical breakthrough ... and that’s it !!!!



                  The Investigative Committee of Russia announced that during heavy rain in the Kuban, water was discharged at the Neberdzhaevsky reservoir over the city of Krymsk.
                  1. dan-frya
                    +3
                    8 July 2012 21: 33
                    but where is the link to sk rf? .. or are you its responsible representative and you can trust the word for it is as solid as stone?
                  2. 0
                    8 July 2012 21: 59
                    http://www.echo.msk.ru/blog/echomsk/907001-echo/
                3. +10
                  8 July 2012 18: 50
                  I can not stand the echo of Moscow, a photo by the way from their forum
                  not put up a google put the earth, and so reservoir level 2-3 meters from sea level, city level 23 meters, there is still a question? !!!!
                  apart from the fact that the point from 37 49 31 03 east longitude is 17 km west of the reservoir
                  1. +6
                    8 July 2012 19: 00
                    I wonder why the minus is already getting ridiculous, if I’m wrong, disprove the numbers, otherwise we are already minusing even for 2x2 = 4 laughing
              3. +4
                8 July 2012 18: 21
                I believe, Fox, that you are not far off, or, as Ss-18 said, an enemy.

                Go and help. MOE is working. Go either help or watch Rain TV channel and go to the rally at the balotnaya - adding to the agenda - the disaster in Krymsk.
              4. dan-frya
                -6
                8 July 2012 21: 29
                there are people who believe that you are a Troll speculating on the death of people.
          2. +1
            8 July 2012 20: 02
            There are also inexpensive solutions. Here's how, for example, they decided in due time this problem in Feodosia. The channel of the river, which always led to floods, was deepened and clad in concrete, and the problems seemed to have disappeared. And since there, in the Kuban, the constant floods and the watershed are huge, then God himself ordered something to be done. I think that something will be realized after such a tragedy.
            And, if with a large stream of water the deepened channel can’t cope, then all the same the consequences will not be so tragic.
            My condolences to those who have suffered and lost their loved ones.
        3. -1
          8 July 2012 13: 05
          Quote: Fox 070
          Indeed, a small part of the funds invested in sports facilities in Sochi would be quite enough to protect people from floods.

          You are sure?!
          the only way to secure this is to force ALL
          1. Fox 070
            0
            8 July 2012 13: 09
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            the only way to secure this is to force ALL

            And where will we evict?
            1. DERWISH
              +3
              8 July 2012 15: 13
              anyway, it will have to destroy at least 70 percent, plus from personal experience, the land is unsuitable for at least 10 years to plant something plus restore much more expensive than build a new one and earn any thieves to build new residential villages I am a resident of Armavir working in Novokubansk the last flood was very a large-scale plus in the innocent was completely washed out by a chemical plant, and along the water route and the presence of a large forest area, a large amount of chemicals remained in the territory from Armavir to the end of the Novokubansky district, I believe that after 4 years I got a cancer disease precisely for this reason, which also confirms a large the number of people living in this territory was also built for the population affected by the flood several villages from the houses of the northern variant two villages are so-so and the third after acceptance there was such a scandal in quality and equipment but they hushed up quickly because the tender for the construction was distributed mainly by hand By the commission’s commission, we’re living now, who is rebuilding, who is repairing, but still better than nothing AND THE MOST IMPORTANT IS OUR WAVE OF AN EIGHT-METER WAVE HAS BEEN EDUCATED FOR THE REASON OF AN UNCERTAIN RESET OF ONE OF THE RESERVOIRS We have already made an urgent withdrawal of the Crimean territories AND AT ALL I didn’t like the excessive nervousness of our officials responsible for all this and the GDP WHAT -at least it is always in the places of emergency and always where it pays compensatory very decent compared to the item where only the local administration is responsible Well, of course, WE SORRY ALL BY DIET
          2. -1
            8 July 2012 13: 21
            but I propose to evict, I’m talking about a way to avoid victims, you suggested that you fence yourself off from the elements, and you’ll figure out where to evict
            1. +3
              8 July 2012 13: 30
              Hello, Vladimir! I have not been on the site for a long time.
              Your logic is extremely clear and ironic. I would call it a passive means, but active is the development and implementation of measures to prevent, eliminate disasters and effective measures to alert and evacuate the population of dangerous areas.
              1. CC-18a
                -4
                8 July 2012 13: 35
                .
                Quote: desava
                effective alert measures

                The Ministry of Emergency Situations warning was at 12:51 on Friday. Just the point? our people are special, do not care. Even if people were evacuated by force saving their lives, many would hide from evacuation, and then when the thread happened to them they would be blamed for this again by the authorities and not themselves.

                After all, even none of you who read about this disaster made conclusions for yourself, well, at least to be more careful with the warnings of the Ministry of Emergency Situations, it is not in vain that they are warning.
                1. +3
                  8 July 2012 13: 40
                  If there were visual trainings of civil defense means, informing people about cataclysms, technological and natural accidents, their consequences, the sequence of actions in this or that case, working out the possibility of ways and places to deploy temporary evacuation points, mobilizing all available forces, and I assure many others - there would be fewer victims.
                  1. CC-18a
                    -12
                    8 July 2012 14: 02
                    Do not understand. Can you read? or somewhere you copy paste like a bot?

                    Quote: desava
                    informing people about disasters,

                    I already wrote!

                    Quote: CC-18a
                    The MOE warning was at 12: 51 on Friday.
                    1. +7
                      8 July 2012 14: 10
                      SS-18a, I’m not your brother or matchmaker - I don’t have to poke. I admit that we are somewhat misunderstanding each other. Awareness implies not only a warning about a cataclysm, but also bringing in normal times plans for the evacuation and actions of the population during a particular emergency. Places of concentration of evacuation equipment and temporary camps. I hope now, you understand my idea. Sincerely.
                      1. Fox 070
                        +4
                        8 July 2012 14: 19
                        desava / As for the SS-18a, there is nothing to be sure of! He himself does not know what he will throw out the next moment.
                      2. CC-18a
                        -6
                        8 July 2012 14: 30
                        maybe so.
                        I understand how you wrote, informing is one thing, learning is another.

                        The flood evacuation plan is always the only one to get higher, on a hill a mountain or a house or a tree strong ... this is taught on OBZh or whatever right now for the subject.

                        The population was warned how to act in the event of a flood, everyone seems to know, although some do not know for sure, because even the laws of physics do not know.

                        The bitter truth is that nature is stronger, and maybe people and stupidity are even stronger, Fox 070 showed it perfectly with its example.
                        And one more bitter truth, the hatred of some trolls towards Russia and its power is blinded by so much that they behave in the most immoral way and are ready for anything! just to bear your heresy.
                        1. +6
                          8 July 2012 14: 37
                          That's good that we figured out without going personal))) Agree that we are behind in matters of full-fledged civil defense. So I live on the Taman Peninsula, which according to SNiP is seismically active, but nowhere is there any information on the procedure for emergency situations. Why am I ranting here .. at one time I was the commander of an emergency rescue platoon at the headquarters of the local defense (analogous to the civilian) and directly ran into a mess.
                        2. CC-18a
                          -3
                          8 July 2012 14: 53
                          Quote: desava
                          Agree that in matters of full-fledged civil defense we are lagging behind

                          From whom?
                          FROM USA yes not at all! they don’t teach how to behave in disasters at all, the maximum is all sorts of films and TV shows in the form of entertainment shows.
                          From the EU? also unlikely. They have safety precautions on what to do at work (but only at work, in the city they will have panic with themselves) ... in case of fire, flood, etc. it is written in the instructions, the failure of which is strictly punishable. Would we like that? not work out. Nobody will follow the instructions, they won’t even read it ... and if they still punish us in the EU, then we will all go to jail, literally everything.

                          Quote: desava
                          but nowhere is there any information about the emergency procedures

                          Seriously? And we were taught in civil self-defense classes where to get up or hide in an earthquake, in nuclear weapons and chemical disasters, in floods and more. I remember even pictures and posters, what where when and how to do .... I remember everything, I know how to behave, but what do you not? Why such difference? state one, Putin is the same for the two of us, so why the difference?
                          Can all the same and with the Crimean the same trouble, they were warned, they were taught how to behave in schools, but the lack of memory, sometimes stupidity and neglect of the Ministry of Emergency Situations led to such troubles and not some mythical dam that could not be built but built maybe it won’t save, and the current will aggravate the situation.
                        3. +6
                          8 July 2012 15: 07
                          The difference is possible in the following: I'm 28, respectively, studied in the 90s. On OBZh (NVP renamed) did not teach anything sensible. For each region, the program should not be typical but actualized for it (the region) directly and contain specific routes, places of collection, collection points, etc. On the subject of life safety give general information.
                        4. CC-18a
                          -4
                          8 July 2012 17: 49
                          They taught that in the 90s the OBZh program was still Soviet, and right now Soviet, posters even the same.
                          Quote: desava
                          nothing was taught sensible.

                          Some do not teach what current is useless. You and I had the same program, I extracted knowledge and you didn’t.

                          Quote: desava
                          For each region, the program should not be typical but directly updated for it (region)

                          Yeah, do you need different literature for each region?
                          And when you move from one place of residence to another, you must go to school again, right? to retrain on an updated life history?
                          Generally speaking, what you wrote here is a beautiful slogan that is difficult to achieve and, moreover, extremely harmful.
                          In my region there are no ammonia plants but I was taught how it is dangerous and how to recognize a leak, and a huge ATP to those who did these programs and that they did not listen to advisers like you.

                          Quote: desava
                          contain specific routes, collection points, collection points

                          A state of emergency, a fire, a collection point or a route burned down ... everything is amba !!! the plan was covered by a panic no one knows anything ... everyone died. Here are the real consequences that may be from your ideas.
                          An emergency is an emergency; it is always unforeseen; it is an emergency just because of an unexpected and unpredictable occurrence, moreover, if the incident is so predictable that it allows you to make such 100% safe routes and gathering places at any time and in any case it is no longer an emergency.

                          In cases of emergency there are special ministries, there are services, the services have plans for different emergency situations. An example of a man-made disaster, a cloud of pesticides, services and plans are launched, civilians are notified via word of mouth, the media, and loudspeakers, district police officers run around the apartments to check if everyone heard everything, gathering places in districts with schools and admin buildings. In your opinion, it’s just that chtoli so often you hear that if somewhere an emergency occurs, then the victims go to schools, kindergartens and others, all this has been worked out for a long time since the old USSR. And there is much more that you don’t know, don’t understand, but most likely you’ve listened and are not attentive in life, this does not mean that all this is not there. Exactly the same as I gained knowledge on life safety and you are not, just as I know how services behave where what and how it will be and you will not.

                          Quote: desava
                          On the subject of life safety give general information.

                          And only this should be given. Do you want to learn a master class on survival in the jungle on life safety? or special forces course? And if you didn’t remember or understand the general information, why do you want specialized information that will be 100% more complicated, you didn’t understand the basis, so it’s stupid to complain. That's when you learn OBZH then you can argue whether it is enough or not, and not knowing the material how you can judge it, the arctic fox is just some kind.
                          At the age of 28, people are already talking about specific things and operating with specific life examples and cases, and rarely when they get into demagogy, well, unless there’s a current of fools with a child’s job.

                          And so, we conclude:
                          You stated that we are behind on the issue of civil defense and emergency, but you don’t even know who we are behind. Conclusion, you just blurted out.
                          You stated that nowhere is there any information on the procedure for emergency procedures, but it turns out that it’s just that you personally learned a lesson when you learned this information. Conclusion, you simply do not know and judge what you do not know.
                          It looks like a statement that the 3rd planet from the star Sirius has an atmosphere with 30% oxygen content. You do not know about it but declare.
                          So let's be honest, reality is a serious thing and operates on lives, in reality, not in a forum, you will be raised or twisted by a temple, but most likely you’ll just be silent and don’t say what you wrote here because I hope you understand that the error is the forum can be hidden by the advantages of all sorts of trolls, but in real life it’s the lives of people in front of their parents who then look into their eyes if you dare.
                        5. +4
                          8 July 2012 18: 09
                          Thank you for the detailed answer, worthy of attention! I am not offended by statements addressed to me.
                          Quote: CC-18a
                          I have learned knowledge and you are not

                          I admit.
                          Quote: CC-18a
                          And when you move from one place of residence to another, you must go to school again, right? to retrain on an updated life history?

                          This is clearly an extreme. What they give at school is forgotten unfortunately. In particular, few adults know the difference between a gas mask and a respirator.
                          Quote: CC-18a
                          In cases of emergency there are special ministries, there are services, the services have plans for different emergency situations.

                          I focus on them.
                          Quote: CC-18a
                          You stated that we are behind in the issue of civil defense and emergency, but you don’t even know who we are behind

                          From state standards. And from the US population too - that's why they build either stone reliable houses or cheap modular ones.
                          I’ll keep quiet about the second point, because I didn’t understand what I mean.
                          Quote: CC-18a
                          be honest

                          By God, I’m writing what I think.
                        6. 0
                          8 July 2012 18: 45
                          SS-18! everything is right
                  2. dan-frya
                    +3
                    8 July 2012 21: 58
                    yeah, right now I can imagine how people will line up in order to take part in these very teachings of yours ... and they’ll memorize everything, and then work out 5-10 times a month ... and

                    in one program for a long time somehow it was about one very "innovative" way of protection from something there ... and the developer was asked directly in the forehead: there is a well-confirmed fact that the presence of a fire extinguisher reduces the likelihood of serious damage and death of people several times ... question: what do you think is the percentage of people who have a fire extinguisher in their apartment or house? ... less than 2%. and it's not about ignorance

                    but you can continue to insist on anything. and in general the state is certainly to blame for the problem with fire extinguishers. it did not inform. and also, again, of course, the whole problem is in tandem and edra. where without them ... by the way, if there are none, you can safely nod to the Martians. it’s more reliable - nothing can be proved at all. and they owe you anyway - they are, after all, a more advanced race, and therefore must be taken care of.
                  3. +2
                    9 July 2012 14: 55
                    bullshit, all training, our people will ignore one thing at the bottom, I gave an example on this topic, so you can’t assure you can’t alter the mentality unless by force under pain of the death penalty and I think many will get out
                2. +3
                  9 July 2012 18: 34
                  Quote: CC-18a
                  The MOE warning was at 12: 51 on Friday. Just the point? our people are special, do not care

                  Greetings, colleague, and I fully support you. Emergencies are a very fertile topic for those who do not need bread, just give them the opportunity to look for the extreme and the guilty where he is least of all. Despite numerous reproaches addressed to me as a defender and supporter of the authorities (tandem, clique, regime, etc. - whoever likes to show their eloquence), I will once again side with the authorities, which have done a lot in the current emergency and does not deserve the accusations that many have voiced here regarding flooding. The colleague who said that the Ministry of Emergency Situations did a lot to minimize the tragic consequences of the flood and that "... there is no limit to perfection" is right, but many chose not to notice and even to refute it with arguments. Everything went into action - both calculations from the Internet, and personal speculation, and just demagoguery ... For some reason, all those who attacked the careless MChS are sure that they would have coped flawlessly and - warned, and mobilized, and prevented! Come to your senses, your mother! People have tragedies, the same MChSniki up to their necks in mud and water save people and do not point their fingers up, realizing the unpredictability of the nature of the elements, but the oracles are and talk about miscalculations and omissions, trying to find a black cat in a dark room. Minus health, but stop, in pursuit of cheap authority and ignore words
                  Quote: CC-18a
                  The MOE warning was at 12: 51 on Friday.
                  ... The fact that the population was notified long before the tragic minutes was declared more than once and not at all for the sake of excuse of the beloved from responsibility. The carelessness of the man in the street and the hope for "Maybe!" - the eternal scourge and the cause of many of our misfortunes.
            2. Fox 070
              -5
              8 July 2012 13: 44
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              you offered to fence yourself off from the elements, and you figure out where to evict

              Why should I think about the relocation of entire cities, if it is cheaper and easier to fence off the river bed with a dam.
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              the only way to secure this is to force ALL

              This is your idea, so wrinkle your mind in the search for solutions.
              1. -2
                8 July 2012 15: 32
                Quote: Fox 070
                Why should I think about the relocation of entire cities, if it is cheaper and easier to fence off the river bed with a dam.

                for the sake of interest, count how many dangerous rivers in the tritory of the Russian Federation and what total length will a dam be
        4. Stasi.
          +4
          8 July 2012 14: 27
          Totally agree with you. Unfortunately, it always happens with us: the authorities look at problems through the fingers, there are more important things to do. And as the elements hit, so these problems arise in full growth. I wholeheartedly sympathize with the relatives of the victims.
      2. Odinplys
        -6
        8 July 2012 14: 08
        Quote: Shohmansur
        the best condolences to the families of the bereaved.



        http://idiot.fm/
      3. Shohmansur
        +8
        8 July 2012 17: 36
        I found on the Internet bank accounts to which you can transfer money to flood victims.
        Current account for transferring funds: INN 2309030678 KPP 230901001 Krasnodar regional branch of the All-Russian public organization "Russian Red Cross" Krasnodar branch No. 8619 of Sberbank of Russia c / s 30101810100000000602 BIK 040349602 p / s 40703810330000000106 Purpose of payment: Voluntary donation from citizens of the Krasnodar region in 2012. In Moscow, from 14:00 on July 9, an aid collection point will operate at the Youth Public Council under the prefect of the Central Administrative District (Prospekt Mira, 70a).
        The request to the administration is to double-check the accounts, and even better, create a separate topic with the calculation of accounts for which you can transfer funds to help people affected by the flood.
        1. +6
          8 July 2012 20: 06
          Quote: Shohmansur
          I found on the Internet bank accounts to which you can transfer money to flood victims.
          Shokhmansur fully agrees. It is not necessary to knock on the floor in search of a "switchman", but to provide concrete and feasible assistance to the victims. Who is right and who is guilty for this there are corresponding structures, they will figure it out. The account and bank details are correct. Although not a large amount, he transferred ...
          1. 755962
            +3
            9 July 2012 00: 44
            Locals say mountain rivers are full of ownerless dams that have not been serviced since the collapse of the Soviet Union. They, too, could play a role in the flow of water that hit Krymsk.
            Residents of Krymsk were promised to come today to describe the lost property. But no one with whom I spoke, the waiters from the administration did not wait.

            “We are being flooded for the fifth time.” Nothing will change. The dead will be buried, the living, as always, will be promised a bright future.
            http://www.mk.ru/incident/article/2012/07/08/723182-nas-zatopila-ne-stihiya-a-vl
            asti.html
    2. beech
      +4
      8 July 2012 10: 47
      uh, every year some disasters !!!
      1. staser
        +3
        8 July 2012 12: 50
        the worst thing is that for some reason no one can prepare for these cataclysms. After all, you can, if not avoid them, then at least warn and do everything possible to reduce the number of victims and costs.
        1. +3
          8 July 2012 12: 52
          The trouble is that we do not think about the future. The eternal Russian "maybe" and conviction, if this has not happened before, then this will not happen in the future. I know not by hearsay the attitude to civil and local defense.
        2. 0
          8 July 2012 13: 13
          Quote: staser
          After all, you can, if you do not avoid them, then at least warn and do everything possible

          how?
          1. staser
            0
            9 July 2012 11: 18
            how?

            http://lenta.ru/news/2012/07/09/pay/
            Here is an example of my words. They didn’t really prepare, but you can avoid such victims. Less comrade further how much you fit !!!
        3. Odinplys
          -4
          8 July 2012 14: 03
          Quote: staser
          the worst thing is that for some reason no one can prepare for these cataclysms. After all, you can, if not avoid them, then at least warn and do everything possible to reduce the number of victims and costs.


          Read here ...

          http://idiot.fm/
    3. Brother Sarych
      +3
      8 July 2012 10: 54
      Terrible tragedy! Condolences to the families of the victims ...
      Hopefully. that the consequences will be able to cope quickly enough ...
      1. vasy
        +4
        8 July 2012 10: 59
        Quote: Brother Sarich
        Terrible tragedy! Condolences to the families of the victims ...


        A wild tragedy ..... Yesterday I went to all the sites of Krymsk ... photos ... complete horror .... people were drowned ... local people write that due to the rains the reservoir dumped water, therefore the wave up to 5-7 meters and it is at two in the morning .....

        I tried to see what happens with the air base, but it’s just the first as an object to the reservoir ......

        To all who have suffered and perished ... sincere feelings and condolences ....

        My acquaintances got a lot, especially in Gelendzhik ... the truth is only minor injuries, but drowned cars ...... I returned from there for about 5 days .... but I returned just through Novorossiysk and Krymsk
        1. CC-18a
          -5
          8 July 2012 11: 10
          Quote: Vasy
          ...... locals write that due to the rains, the reservoir dumped water, and therefore the wave is up to 5-7 meters, and this is at two in the morning .....

          These are not local, they are just clowns, with * fools of different stripes, + paid trolls, well, orange people are most likely to be happy.

          Locals know where the reservoir is, where the city is and what kind of terrain they have, so not one local will ever say that they were flooded from the reservoir.
          Here is an analysis by the way:
          http://congregatio.livejournal.com/84988.html, спс пользователю OdinPlys, и человеку из жж.
          1. vasy
            +11
            8 July 2012 12: 03
            Quote: CC-18a
            These are not local, they are just clowns, with * fools of different stripes, + paid trolls, well, orange people are most likely to be happy.


            D ..... to you, there is nothing more to say !!! am











            And what am I crucifying and to whom ????

            Look and read for yourself, everyone who is interested in what people who have suffered from this think ....... and not paranoiacs, who sometimes see squirrels, then orangists, sometimes ... somebody ....

            Maybe ... the parish caught ???

            http://blogs.mail.ru/mail/vznakprotesta/77587DF11ED8A244.html
            1. CC-18a
              -7
              8 July 2012 12: 14
              Well, initially about the distributors of desa that is, about the orange, about the clowns, about the debits * it was not all about you, but since you were so offended to see this very orange man, the clown, and further down the list wassat

              I won’t right now take apart your nonsense and give a moral assessment of your actions and you personally, I hope I understood everything myself. I only wish for one thing, if there is a god in the world, then let you and those like you be reckoned for your sins! speculation on grief and death is a sin; may God answer you for it.
              1. vasy
                -2
                8 July 2012 12: 40
                Quote: CC-18a
                Well, initially about the distributors of desa that is, about the orange, about the clowns, about the debits * it was not all about you, but since you were so offended to see this very orange man, the clown, and further down the list



                here I just oh ...... uel ..


                July 7th, 23: 02

                In contact, he was horrified by an eyewitness to today's tragedy. spelling and stuff almost did not change.

                Krymsk took all the blow on himself!

                What happened tonight is something unimaginable. Krymsk is washed off the face of the earth.
                The worst thing is that this happened at night, people in a dream sank whole families, not waking up. At three o'clock in the morning I went out into the street there was still no water, but at 3.30 everything was already flooded.

                Where is it seen and mentally that the water rose to 2 floors of apartment buildings !!! It is strange to see how the first floors of apartments (which are on a fairly high foundation) completely went under water. On the wall of the winery, the water mark reached more than 7 meters !!! Everything ... all shopping centers, market, shops - nothing. Cars stick out in the windows of houses, logs stick out from the windows of 2 floors of apartments !!! On the street of the Soviet house, they were completely washed away, as if they had never been there! On Lunacharsky, houses were ruined, on Novorossiysk, only the roofs of houses were visible and people who were sitting on the roof and asking for help, on my street, the Ministry of Emergencies drove around in a motor boat without problems, water allowed. And how many victims, corpses on trucks are just a bunch, an incomprehensible bunch, from where arms and legs stick out in different directions are taken to the morgue, but there are no places in the morgue! Corpses are still floating in the streets ... I don’t believe Krymsk is no more ...

                Krymsk took all the blow on himself in order to save Novorossiysk! Now everyone is silent about it, but my father was on duty just that night and said that a commission urgently gathered at night, where they decided to open the locks of the Neberdzhaev reservoir or not. The question was, if they don’t open it, it will break through and the water will flood Novorossiysk, and if you open it, then Krymsk will wash it off. And what do you think ?! Of course they opened the gateways !!! But in the end, neither Novoross was saved and Krymsk was drowned! Well done. But if only in that case people would be warned that the reservoir would be lowered onto them, but no! Why didn’t they send the police a warning ?? Why didn’t they turn on the sirens so that people would wake up ?! Now shops do not work for us, there is no food, no electricity, Krymsk is cordoned off, although what kind of Krymsk is there, now the Ruins.

                A lot of old people drowned, my friend’s parents went missing, they were not in the house when the Ministry of Emergency Situations came in and they were not in the morgue, so it was taken away or somewhere in ruins. This is scary. I don’t know how miraculously I stayed alive. Damn, I still can’t believe that this nice town is no more

                The photographs were taken during the day, the water has already run down, but still:









                И
                The information about artificial flushing, which was immediately distributed on social networks, did not receive official confirmation and, moreover, was ultimately refuted by local authorities.

                "No reservoir, no barriers have been opened, and on the territory of the Crimean region there is no such reservoir (!!!!!!!!!!! ???????????) where you can open the locks and start water to the city ", - said the press secretary of the governor of the Krasnodar Territory, Alexander Tkachev, Anna Minkova.



                However, this statement does not contradict the version of the breakthrough of the dam.
              2. Brother Sarych
                +5
                8 July 2012 15: 15
                Aren't you crazy about fighting orangeism? Perhaps you regret that you are not 37 years old - then too, your ideological relatives, under the command of Yagoda and Yezhov, came off to the fullest, until Lavrenty pinched them?
                Of course, I didn’t want to talk about it on such a sad branch, so many people had such a mountain, but they themselves were forced, the Mauserists are bad, they would have to expose anyone and put them on the wall ....
                1. thatupac
                  +3
                  8 July 2012 16: 18
                  It is necessary to write the truth, and not to spread gossip. I also am speaking under fictitious victims of the tragedy.
                2. CC-18a
                  -9
                  8 July 2012 17: 56
                  Do you suggest that I watch in silence how all kinds of idiots write obvious lies and that other idiots believe in this? Just not n ** those here that pin * dos trolls do not exist, they are already in the official structure of the US State Department.

                  Well then, then, a drum on your neck and forward, 2 times ruin the country.
          2. +3
            8 July 2012 13: 56
            CC-18a
            Thanks for the link! Competent, very solidly substantiated, absolutely devoid of any speculation, debriefing. I recommend it to everyone .... otherwise it was showered here on an Internet ... anything ....
        2. thatupac
          +3
          8 July 2012 16: 16
          There are no locks in that reservoir, but there is only a special funnel. The so-called locals are generally mocked people. Under them are the same bloggers from Moscow to inflate their gossip more and to promote their Zhezhechki.
    4. Odinplys
      +9
      8 July 2012 10: 56
      Big trouble ... sorry for the people .... here you have the forecasts of the Ministry of Emergencies ... where are they ... I think that it was possible to predict the situation ...
      There is a debriefing here ...
      http://congregatio.livejournal.com/84988.html
      1. CC-18a
        -8
        8 July 2012 11: 49
        Analysis of the troll delirium of orange ... http://graf-kahovsky.livejournal.com/430853.html

        Again, I am convinced of the special moral qualities of some ... but I will not talk about it ...
    5. the gray wolf
      +5
      8 July 2012 10: 56
      nature is a terrible force, Condolences to the families of the victims.
      1. Captain Vrungel
        +4
        8 July 2012 11: 22
        Deep condolences to people who have lost everything and the most expensive, relatives and friends. This disaster is worse than any sabotage operation. But there is a question. A stream (wave) with a height of 5-6 meters (mudflow) could not have arisen even with rainfall. Somewhere, something artificial or natural obstacle held him back. Only by breaking through it, water could reach such a height and power. Without a dam, water would simply raise the level and gain strength, which could allow people to save themselves. Strength to all affected and courage. You are not alone in this mountain. Those who care will come to your aid. Perpetrators who missed this situation must go to the people.
        1. CC-18a
          +4
          8 July 2012 11: 37
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          A stream (wave) with a height of 5-6 meters (mudflow) could not have arisen even with rainfall.

          And did not arise. This is the total depth of accumulated water in Krymsk from mountain rivers.

          Read about the mountain rivers than they are dangerous. For example, why even the most experienced and reckless are afraid to sleep on mountain rivers after a rain.

          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          Only by breaking through it, water could reach such a height and power

          Seriously?
          In fact, in the world of these floods with victims every year tens and hundreds, recently in Europe it was already in several countries ... the Europeans were smart enough not to blame the government for the technogenic disaster, but we apparently do not. In the United States, the state of Messuri and in Texas recently, a couple of years ago, there was also only 1 mountain river, but it demolished a couple of towns and raised the level by 2-3 meters. In 2008, if I am not mistaken, the river alone overflowed due to rain for a couple of weeks! If this happens to them, then "are we worse?" Nature is one for everyone.

          People, stop speculating on the loss of life, not a shame not a conscience!
          1. Captain Vrungel
            +5
            8 July 2012 12: 21
            Go to the Krymsk website and read it very carefully. There is no need to show your "deep" knowledge of hydrology and hydrodynamics. Everyone is entitled to their own version. The main thing in the topic. People have a terrible grief and abomination of the local authorities, who saved their asses, forgetting about people.
            1. CC-18a
              -1
              8 July 2012 12: 35
              There is an opinion, but there is criminal misinformation, and speculation on the mountain.
              What you are doing now is not nearly no better than when Grobovoi did it for which he was planted like. All your fairy tales have long been sorted out and references to the truth have been laid out, I don’t understand why you need to bend your propaganda further by denying the power of nature and trying to impose guilt on innocent people.
              1. There are victims among the families of officials
              2. The Ministry of Emergency Situations warning was at 12:51 on Friday.


              stop speculating on deaths, YOU have no shame, no conscience!
    6. Popandopulo
      -7
      8 July 2012 11: 07
      On Saturday night, the city was covered by a 7-meter rampart. In Gelendzhik, the wave was one meter. Krymsk is practically washed away with water. In the city and now 2-3 meters of water. They can’t deflate.


      The warned mayor of Krymsk escaped silently, sentencing and without warning residents of Krymsk, in which one-story houses predominate. VIPs from Krymsk were taken by helicopters.


      More "VIP-evacuation" cars did not return. At midnight on the streets of Krymsk there were many expensive cars leaving. Someone was warned.


      The mayor of Krymsk at 10 pm on Friday received a message that the city will be flooded. An hour and a half later, he leaves. Three hours later, people die.


      In Krymsk at night, when everyone was sleeping, it flooded people, they died in families. Flooded for 15 minutes

      Investigators found that over the course of 13 hours, the overflowing dam several times automatically dumped water on the sleeping city. Specialists are trying to find out the reasons why they did not control the operation of the locks at the critical moment, which were arbitrarily opened for more than 10 hours. - Investigators who arrived to examine the place of emergency from Moscow and Krasnodar recorded that the floodgates on the dam opened automatically for 13 hours, '' said Ivan Sengerov, senior assistant to the head of the Investigative Directorate of the Investigative Committee for the Krasnodar Territory. “A criminal case has been initiated into the incident under the article“ causing death by negligence of two or more persons. ”The descent of water, which killed about 200 people, occurred late at night, when most of the people were sleeping peacefully.
      1. CC-18a
        -3
        8 July 2012 11: 20
        I’m wondering what idiots are giving you a plus, well, just frankly delirious?
        Not really it’s so easy to invent complete nonsense and they will also believe you ... so soon fairy tales about the Martians who captured Novosibirsk will be told and someone will put the pros fool
        Either the people are completely numb, or here the trolls are completely insolent and scoff at the people.
      2. +2
        8 July 2012 11: 23
        Where are you from? From Krymsk? And where does such information come from?
        1. vasy
          +1
          8 July 2012 11: 50
          Quote: Runo23
          Where are you from? From Krymsk? And where does such information come from?


          No, he’s from Kazan, stubborn as ...... I won’t go on, otherwise we’ll move on to nationality! +!
          1. CC-18a
            -3
            8 July 2012 11: 58
            don’t need about Kazan, he’s unlikely to be from there, he’s just a troll and lives somewhere in the United States, most likely, he works for Uncle Sema, you understand how. The fact that there are trolls who claim that they are from Kazan answer this lie! although there is 1 clown in the local forum who makes dozens of records, he never met anyone for verification even in the most crowded and safest places.
        2. +2
          8 July 2012 14: 11
          Runo23
          This carrion poked its sensations out of its nose ..... from where else ....
      3. +4
        8 July 2012 11: 39
        That damn .. well already. I myself relate to our authorities to put it mildly
        but you don’t need to use a lie to scum it.
        The reservoir is much lower than the city of Krymsk. . about 30 m.
        Water could go anywhere only not to Krymsk.
        1. +2
          9 July 2012 12: 02
          Quote: pistons
          but you don’t need to use a lie to scum it.

          ... already four believe that it is necessary to use lies to defile the authorities ... This is from the balance of your "minus / plus".
      4. +7
        8 July 2012 12: 43
        Popandopulo, answer for your words.
        Where, when did they convey the words of the assistant to the head of the SC SU? Link to the studio!
        Where does the information about the mayor’s escape, and especially about helicopters come from?
        Either give the data indicating the source, or stop distributing any get along!
      5. +5
        8 July 2012 13: 17
        Quote: Popandopulo
        The warned mayor of Krymsk escaped silently, sentencing and without warning residents of Krymsk, in which one-story houses predominate.

        link to the source of information
        if not, then forgive me for such a trial, I have to give it up (I'm talking about distributors of such information)
      6. Odinplys
        0
        8 July 2012 14: 01
        Quote: Popandopulo
        On Saturday night, the city was covered by a 7-meter rampart.


        Personally for you .... found ...read and understand everything ...

        http://idiot.fm/
      7. +3
        8 July 2012 14: 10
        Popandopulo
        You are just disgusting in your attempt to promote your swamp rubbish, using people's grief ... this is akin to cannibalism .... you know, I often have to argue with people here, sometimes with very inadequate ones ... sometimes we even swear .... but for the first time I just unbearably want to haul a bastard in the face on the asphalt ..... away from here, hyena !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      8. DERWISH
        +3
        8 July 2012 15: 29
        THIS IS THE REAL TRUTH I, FROM THE KRASNODAR KR, CONFIRM THE ONLY ONE ABOUT VICTIMS OF LESSES am and really with the officials and the measure it was THEY RUN AS RATS !!!
    7. +7
      8 July 2012 11: 27
      Lord, what a tragedy ... the Kingdom of Heaven is for all the lost. And, God forbid, all affected by health, patience and strength to survive this nightmare!
    8. Popandopulo
      -10
      8 July 2012 11: 29
      Why did they arrange a massacre under the guise of a man-made / natural disaster? You will find out when in a month, through intermediaries, they will start buying up pieces of land and destroyed houses from the survivors. I can tell you what kind of people will become a profitable acquirer of cheaper real estate. Krymsk is of strategic importance, locking the railway and the highway to Novorossiysk. You’ll see some kind of business being built on those lands! No wonder these victims!
      1. +5
        8 July 2012 11: 37
        That's what you people ... question. And the versions are just your ravings ... put them in your oven.
      2. CC-18a
        +2
        8 July 2012 11: 40
        I wish you to lose a couple of close people and then read such people as you ** who speculate and profit from death and grief. Maybe then you’ll understand how much you are, although unlikely.
        1. +2
          8 July 2012 14: 21
          CC-18a
          I join a completely just wish. only such hyenas will never understand why they don’t like corpse eaters .... at the same time I express my sincere hope that this creature will somehow choke on its own saliva and rid the planet of its stinking presence .....
      3. Odinplys
        +5
        8 July 2012 11: 59
        Quote: Popandopulo
        Why did they arrange a massacre under the guise of a man-made / natural disaster?


        Do not listen to this Helmet ... lying ... See the link .... The worst thing is that the rains forecast for another two days ...
        http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/310818/
        http://congregatio.livejournal.com/84988.html
        1. +1
          8 July 2012 12: 28
          It is unclear how such an amount of precipitation was selectively concentrated in an area where drought and lack of rain have been around for a week. Voronezh, Rostov, Donetsk, Stavropol Territories - the sun beats there, heat and drought and hit you in the breadbasket of Russia and even at a time when the bread is pouring heaven suddenly opened. And this is from year to year in this period. I think it’s time for us to move the adversary too ... Katrina v2 or a little rustle of the Yellowstone seismic zone, or else they have unbelted with their HAARPs.
          1. CC-18a
            +1
            8 July 2012 12: 39
            Quote: B_KypTke
            It is unclear how such an amount of precipitation was selectively concentrated in an area where drought and lack of rain have been around for a week.

            Everything is clear here ( After a long drought, the earth becomes crusty and nefiga does not absorb water. We had the same thing, the Volga region a couple of years ago, almost 2 months without rain, the rivers dried up, the first simple ordinary rain flooded the city knee-deep, although we can’t heat, the slope + has developed drains, but the rain we never noticed after a long drought turns into a flood.
          2. 0
            12 July 2012 10: 39
            It rained more than one day
      4. Odinplys
        0
        8 July 2012 13: 59
        Quote: Popandopulo
        K. Here you will see some kind of business being built on those lands!


        Don’t bawl ... read better here ...

        http://idiot.fm/
      5. +3
        8 July 2012 14: 17
        Popandopul
        Listen, where did you get this from? On this site, your excessively dumb, designed for clinical idiots lie will not work!
        1. CC-18a
          -2
          8 July 2012 14: 36
          ... but she did it!
          See how many advantages he has been given, it’s even scary to become from such a number of clinical idiots ... there are some who push this nonsense further.
          Although in vain may I be upset, 1-10% of idiots have always been and will probably be.
          1. +1
            8 July 2012 15: 12
            CC-18a (8
            Well, yes, this is statistics - up to 10% of the population have mental disorders, or diseases ... a clinic! There, at the very bottom, one did not hesitate to put forward a version about the machinations of an unnamed world sect - the Arctic fox ...
            1. +5
              9 July 2012 18: 58
              I greet you guys and rejoice that there are people on the site for whom objectivity is above their political preferences and sympathies. This applies to YOU.

              Odinplys,
              smile,
              CC-18a,
              B_KypTke,
              Dimented,
              Vasilenko Vladimir,
              pistons,
              vvvvv,
              sergo0000,
              Altor86,
              spdm,
              vvvvv,
              desava,
              Good luck to all of you, colleagues.
              1. +1
                10 July 2012 15: 53
                esaul
                Thank you Valery, the support of a person whose opinion is interesting and important to me is always pleasant. This applies to you! :))))))
    9. CC-18a
      +2
      8 July 2012 11: 44
      All the same, how are we people insignificant in front of nature ... just the rain has passed, but in addition to the ordinary rain, nature has so many "aces" in your pocket (
      1. +1
        8 July 2012 14: 37
        CC-18a
        Well, yes ... one good eruption of Tambor volcano in 1815 (which emitted tens of cubic kilometers of rock + billions tons of sulfur dioxide into the atmosphere) - and hello, nuclear winter on the whole planet and tens of millions of people who died of starvation .... a couple of degrees of average annual temperature - there humanity is on the verge of survival ..
        1. +5
          8 July 2012 18: 06
          smile,
          Well, such as this papandopolo and then they will make Putin guilty! So give me just a reason!
          1. +4
            8 July 2012 18: 11
            sergo0000
            Yeah, I suspect the great and terrible Pu is now going down to the center of the earth at night and hard tossing coal into the firebox - cooking, zarrraza, global warming .... :)))))
    10. +4
      8 July 2012 12: 08
      Everything under God we walk.
    11. +9
      8 July 2012 12: 16
      The old men and children died, and then you arranged a showdown! Do you need another place? There is nothing sacred. fool
      1. Odinplys
        0
        8 July 2012 13: 57
        Quote: Altor86
        the old people and the children died, and then you arranged a showdown! What’s for you, is there no other place? There’s nothing sacred.


        Read and understand everything ...

        http://idiot.fm/
        1. +2
          9 July 2012 12: 08
          Some of your links in the comments are monotonous and meaningless ...
          I'm already confused by the name of the resource and its intended audience ... wink
    12. scab
      +4
      8 July 2012 12: 23
      who knows about the fate of a military airfield and aircraft, whether they have suffered or not
      1. CC-18a
        0
        8 July 2012 12: 42
        it will be a zoo if it is damaged (in the sense of aviation if the equipment is damaged and not the airfield.
    13. +10
      8 July 2012 12: 46
      Well, it all started on .... Conspiracies, provocations, other nonsense ... Hold your horses, gentlemen! Natural disaster, it all began with it. Someone did not predict such a development of events - the most guilty ones are officials, whose duties include the implementation of measures to prevent such consequences. Himself from Krymsk I live 130 km. According to the weather, which in my Taman was even impossible to assume that there is a catastrophe. My condolences to fellow countrymen.
      1. +2
        8 July 2012 13: 04
        And so it’s not interesting. About ...... ism and gouging officials does not excite. And the conspiracy is the most.
        1. Odinplys
          -3
          8 July 2012 13: 56
          Quote: Altor86
          And so it’s not interesting. About ...... ism and gouging officials does not excite. And the conspiracy is the most.


          Read here ...
          http://idiot.fm/
      2. spdm
        +5
        8 July 2012 13: 47
        Quote: desava
        Well, it all started on .... Conspiracies, provocations, other nonsense ... Hold your horses, gentlemen! Natural disaster, it all began with it.

        everywhere it can happen, a 3-month rainfall per day. Natural disaster, not everything can be predicted. Unless, of course, an emergency discharge of water from the dam was carried out
        1. +2
          8 July 2012 13: 53
          There are not many types of natural disasters, measures to protect against which should be developed.
          1 fires
          2 floods
          3 earthquakes
          4 landslides
          5 sat down
          6 volcanic eruptions
          7 hail
          8 hurricane
          For each of them, action programs for the services of the settlement should be developed. And the services are not only the Ministry of Emergency Situations, police and medical. As well as municipal and private organizations that have vehicles. This is all called "civil defense".
          1. +1
            8 July 2012 14: 19
            What happened? Someone disagree? So write - with what do not agree.
          2. +1
            8 July 2012 17: 21
            Forgot: asteroids, locust, USA.
            1. +2
              8 July 2012 17: 23
              At the moment, sarcasm is inappropriate. Although an asteroid hazard is also present.
              1. 0
                8 July 2012 17: 34
                Yes, I'm sorry, but I just wanted to note the cataclysms from which it is almost impossible to protect yourself in advance.
                1. 0
                  9 July 2012 12: 11
                  B_KypTke,
                  In the case of the USA, this is called kakaklizm ... smile
    14. scab
      +1
      8 July 2012 12: 56
      judging by the fact that there is practically no information on the fate of military aircraft on the Internet, things are very bad
    15. +3
      8 July 2012 13: 19
      I listen to the news on the first .... volunteers ... students ... graduate students ... doctors ... and where is this e ... MES ... nah ... feed a million people who occasionally fly abroad to save blacks ... personal experience ... the ship ran aground at 4 in the morning ... a call ... help ... then drown and call .... a million healthy men on our neck ... not too much ... and why do they keep them ... as opposed to the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the army ... ????
      1. Pessimist
        +3
        8 July 2012 14: 03
        Quote: ward
        nah ... to feed a million people who occasionally fly abroad to save blacks ...

        This is you to the point !!! Fur seals are removed from the trees - they will show ORT all over the country ... And here are students, volunteers ....
        1. +3
          8 July 2012 14: 27
          They also attracted the army ... trucks to transport the injured ... it seems that stories about the Shaigu are not without reason ... there is such a thing as compradors ... here they seem to be engaged in minus ... plus ...
    16. +1
      8 July 2012 13: 34
      Krymsk is flooding almost every year, and no one drew conclusions. It was necessary to create a drainage system to strengthen dams and repair locks, but we have everything as in the proverb about a man and thunder. It is right to say that until they start planting and nothing changes for a long time.
      1. CC-18a
        +1
        8 July 2012 13: 53
        Quote: HUMANOID
        strengthen dams

        Where?
        If you look carefully, you can see that above the mountain 3 rivers converge and go to Krymsk. Dams are built to prevent the spill of rivers, these are earthen ramparts along the banks of rivers.
        If you build dams as you want, then Crimean will sweep away easily and not forcibly! The flow rate will be huge. Did you study hydrodynamics at school? when the neck is narrowed, the flow of water is accelerated, the dams will be these necks. And so without dams, the flow of water spilled over the space, losing its speed. Somehow I rafted along a small mountain river, rode and then went to the beginning of the descent all day, and went down the river in half an hour.

        Another technical nuance. The river passes through Krymsk. Judging by the photo, the water there is a couple of meters, we just take the area of ​​the spill, divide by the area of ​​the riverbed and get the height by how much you need to raise the dam in Krymsk. An approximate calculation gives 10-20 meters. Can you imagine what anarchism this is? houses are 2 storeys and the dam is 5-7 floors, and the river there will occupy 1/30 of the height of the dam and will fill it only in rare spills.

        Now about the dams, Krymsk is in a lowland, next to a mountain with 3 mountain rivers descending to this lowland. Even if you try to change the course of the rivers, they will nevertheless break through to Krymsk because it’s the mountain rivers that they change for themselves in Skaly, only another mountain 400 meters high can save Krymsk from these rivers.

        So current 1 option to evict all.
        Any other option, even technical ideas, is all from stupidity or not knowing the place, that is, all the same from stupidity, well, or from a desire to troll. And we have a lot of stupid ones! judging by the fact that they put minuses even where the minus can put the current full nerd.

        Quote: HUMANOID
        repair gateways

        What gateways yet? they said the reservoir was nothing to do with.
        1. -2
          8 July 2012 20: 56
          Yes, it seems like a fool is clear that the matter is dark ... only there it seems very smart ... that's the trouble ...
    17. spdm
      0
      8 July 2012 13: 44
      if the gateways were really opening, then for those who framed Putin like that (he said that they didn’t open) it is probably better to drown.
      1. Odinplys
        -4
        8 July 2012 13: 54
        Quote: spdm
        if the gateways were really opening, then for those who framed Putin like that (he said that they didn’t open) it is probably better to drown.


        Before arguing, I advise everyone to look here .....

        http://idiot.fm/
        1. +1
          8 July 2012 14: 45
          You got your idiotic resource .. which can’t even abstract from the plowmate in the text. But CHILDREN are watching us!
          1. Odinplys
            -1
            9 July 2012 17: 44
            Quote: B_KypTke
            You got your idiotic resource ..


            more polite comrade ... more polite ...
        2. +1
          9 July 2012 12: 13
          PR your resource ?!
      2. +4
        8 July 2012 14: 58
        spdm
        I suppose Pu has enough means of obtaining reliable information and enough reason to not be substituted in such a stupid way. He can be blamed for anything, but in what, and in the absence of reason he was not noticed .......
      3. +3
        8 July 2012 16: 31
        There are no gateways in this reservoir at all!
        1. Brother Sarych
          0
          8 July 2012 17: 41
          They say that this reservoir even has its own site, and a gateway is also shown on this site ...
          Even on a small pond there is something to discharge the water, not only on the reservoir ....
          We can hardly see from far away what is there and what is not ...
          1. +2
            9 July 2012 12: 13
            They say in Moscow hens are milked ...
    18. +2
      8 July 2012 14: 00
      In any natural disaster, the perpetrators are. Condolences to all the families and friends of the victims, from a pure heart. On an Internet version walks that the majority of such tragedies with a large number of dead are sacrifices of one world sect, to their holidays. Can anyone confirm? In my opinion, this could not have done without our usual headache. Sincerely.
      1. +3
        8 July 2012 15: 04
        suharev-52
        Yes Yes Yes. I even know what kind of sect it is - the unbeaten Hitlerites living in the "hollow earth" and in Antarctica, having agreed with the stubbornly hiding Atlanteans and singing with the Jews (well, damn it, damn it, without them) thus bring sacrifices to Urfin Dzhus - fiery God Maranov ... you can join the sect, the first entry fee is the brain ... the aliens were not taken to their HOP-company - they go through another department, although the diagnosis, in principle, is similar .......
        Sorry, but this is already too much ....
      2. +1
        8 July 2012 21: 01
        Honestly ... in the light of recent events, sometimes you start to think God knows that ... not only in a conspiracy, but also in an unclean one you will believe ... plus ...
    19. CC-18a
      -3
      8 July 2012 14: 05
      Well, now I’ve been convinced for sure.
      They gave a command to the * trolls and they immediately rushed to lie, breed demagogy and just nonsense, well, what they can do.
      People died, and these creatures made a bacchanal about this ...
      1. +3
        8 July 2012 21: 04
        Well, you’re kind of not quite right ... I feel sorry for the tears ... but the crucifixes ... who are to blame for this ... I would have put the dead in the loop ....
    20. +12
      8 July 2012 14: 15
      I am sorry for all the victims.
    21. +1
      8 July 2012 14: 53
      First of all, I offer my condolences to the families and friends of the victims, the kingdom of heaven and the earth rest in peace. And now about this: Vesuvius, Etna in Italy, the entire territory of Japan, but you never know places on Earth where nature can show its strength. But people are there. they live, though in civilized countries, trying to monitor natural processes in order to somehow protect themselves. Now I listen to the news and say that in Krymsk floods have been repeatedly over the past 10 years, albeit on a smaller scale. So we always need Tsushima for the military , Chernobyl for nuclear engineers, Sayano-Shushenskaya hydroelectric power station for power engineers, "Bulgaria" and "Lame horse" for the entertainment industry .... (the list can be continued) so that we can draw the right conclusions ??? I agree with those who ask why we need a million-strong army of the Ministry of Emergency Situations, if it gives information not to the population, but to the Ministry of Economic Development via SMS ??? Even somehow privately, the mayor and a narrow circle of people present at the meeting. .E. IT WORKS ON THE FACT, but it would be necessary to be proactive, to prevent emergencies. It turns out that there is even an Air Force base, that the military also did not have a "panic" button? ... Well, they would raise a couple of Dryers with the order to cross the sound barrier over the city, I think they would have woken up many. Looked at satellite images when Krymsk was still a blooming garden city, what remains of the city now resembles last year's events in Japan.
    22. +4
      8 July 2012 15: 02
      We woke up when the water was already almost knee-deep in the house, while we collected the documents and broke out into the courtyard, the water was already above the waist, we climbed up the attic in the attic, by that time the water was already human growth, it all happened in about 15 minutes. And why- I don’t believe it is because of the rain.
      1. +2
        8 July 2012 15: 35
        if not figs, fidel itself, as it took half an hour, three meters after melting rose, in 80 people in Alma-Ata rained in heavy rains in the underground passages before they could jump out, everything could be
    23. +1
      8 July 2012 16: 00
      I am sorry for all those who died, lost loved ones, all who endured this grief. Nature once again proves that such a creature as a person is powerless in front of its stoichie. But training and warning would not hurt to especially conduct in such places, that in one case or another, people do.
    24. black cat
      -2
      8 July 2012 16: 11
      Quote: spdm
      everywhere it can happen, a 3-month rainfall per day. Natural disaster, not everything can be predicted. Unless, of course, an emergency discharge of water from the dam was carried out

      Where did the water from the storage go? Left for the earth? Again medveputy people are deceiving.
      1. +5
        8 July 2012 16: 18
        Stop it. Do you even know the device of this reservoir, the technology of its use and the possible consequences of improper actions by personnel servicing the above devices. I do not, therefore, try not to write about it.
        Quote: gatto nero
        Where did the water from the storage go? Left for the earth?

        In your opinion, she left specifically at the command of "medveputov"? Terrible paranoia, I'll tell you. This is an element and a fatal coincidence.
      2. 0
        9 July 2012 12: 15
        If there is no water, then ...
    25. black cat
      -6
      8 July 2012 16: 32
      Quote: desava
      In your opinion, she left specifically at the command of "medveputov"? Terrible paranoia, I'll tell you. This is an element and a fatal coincidence.

      Absolutely not. My brain is not able to invent horror movie scenarios where commands are given to flood cities. This is your paranoia from a simple question asked - where did the water go from the store. Most likely, if dumped, then done quietly. And now they want to shut up. There is only hope for obtaining high-resolution images from bourgeois satellites. Then it will be difficult to hide the truth.
      1. +3
        8 July 2012 16: 38
        In no case did I try to offend you with my reasoning. It is unlikely that this can be silenced if incorrect actions take place.
    26. Captain
      +8
      8 July 2012 16: 35
      I hope that all guilty officials will be adequately punished. I don’t feel like repeating the story from the Sayano-Shushenskaya hydroelectric power station when they seemed to find the guilty party, but in the end no one was punished.

      Former head of RAO "UES of Russia" Anatoly Chubais, Deputy Minister of Energy of the Russian Federation Vyacheslav Sinyugin, as well as a number of other former leaders of the Russian energy industry were involved in creating the conditions that led to the accident at the Sayano-Shushenskaya HPP (SSHGES). This conclusion is contained in the act of technical investigation of the disaster at the hydroelectric power station


      Meanwhile, Chubais actually went on increasing becoming the head of Rusnano ...
    27. gavana
      -7
      8 July 2012 16: 37
      The investigating comet confirmed the fact of the discharge of water from the reservoir and opened a criminal case: http: //www.newsru.com/russia/08jul2012/skrflood.html
      1. 0
        8 July 2012 18: 11
        giving links to the yellow press is somehow not camille
        but in general I certainly don’t know, but on the map the city is located above the reservoir, so such statements are somewhat strange
      2. +2
        8 July 2012 18: 29
        let's not give yellow links in the first place
        http://www.interfax-russia.ru/South/news.asp?id=326999&sec=1672
        http://rusnovosti.ru/news/211594/
        The investigation does not consider the discharge of water from the Neberdzhaev reservoir as a cause of the flood
        http://www.itar-tass.com/c1/467252.html
        1. Drugar
          -6
          8 July 2012 19: 52
          Let us leave the determination of the degree of yellowness of news portals to everyone’s conscience personally.
          1. staser
            0
            9 July 2012 13: 51
            Let us leave the determination of the degree of yellowness of news portals to everyone’s conscience personally.

            Yellowness must be removed, and against people for such an outburst to initiate proceedings, otherwise they introduce chaos in society, which is a gross violation of people's rights, as well as misinformation!
    28. +3
      8 July 2012 16: 46
      “According to KP, late at night on July 8, Ulanovsky explained on the air of the local radio station Electron-FM where he was and what he was doing.“ The wave of about 3-4 meters came instantly. We announced, cars were driving with sirens. We were divided into brigades, trying to wake the people up - it didn't work. We, me and my team, did not sleep all night, rescued people, attracted equipment. But when there was more than 3 meters of water, the technology would have helped nothing. We found boats with motors, rescued people on boats - I almost drowned myself. We filmed people from rooftops, from trees. It was terrible. The city does not remember such a flood. I still don't know where so much water came from - instantly, sharply. For those who perished - the Kingdom of Heaven, for those who were saved - health. "

      This is from the article, or rather the word "missing mayor". He should not be doing this, and indeed this should not be !!! There should be loudspeakers everywhere that work in emergency situations ... be it a flood, fire, eruption or an attack on the enemy's country.
      1. Captain Vrungel
        +1
        8 July 2012 17: 26
        It is necessary to find a clue to this riddle, why the water went a wave 3-4 meters high and in 15 minutes flooded the city. No rainfall can give a sharp rise in water to such a height. and go in the wave. Only a sharp discharge of water.
        1. +3
          8 July 2012 17: 45
          To do this, you need to be interested in specialists from geologists or someone else.
          1. Miha_Skif
            +2
            9 July 2012 01: 15
            It all depends on the catchment area and the terrain. The most dangerous case is when there is an extensive watershed with gentle slopes, but all streams from it converge in one direction. This is a specific trap, in Yakutia such places are common. In normal weather, a brook like a brook can even dry up periodically, but under certain conditions (either heavy rain or just continuous drizzling rain) a roaring mountain stream suddenly arises out of nowhere, which carries logs, bushes, twisted trees and turns meter stones. In Krymsk, it seems, a similar case, only very large-scale
        2. +2
          8 July 2012 18: 16
          I myself saw how the water in the river rose 3 meters in half an hour without any discharges
          1. +2
            8 July 2012 21: 20
            I’m wondering what kind of excuse the fool is this statement zamususut?
            what’s wrong, I’m saying how last year a river that flows 40 meters from my house for half an hour got drunk with water, I even had some pictures somewhere, explain gentlemen who minus what we poke at konpki crazy
      2. VAF
        VAF
        0
        8 July 2012 18: 06
        Quote: desava
        Ulanovsky explained


        And who is this Mr. Ulanovsky ???
        1. Shohmansur
          0
          8 July 2012 18: 10
          Quote: veteran.air force
          And who is this Mr. Ulanovsky ???
          Mayor of Krymsk.
      3. +1
        8 July 2012 18: 15
        I would also vodyuvat mobile operators as an advertisement to send they first as emergency messages and alerts do so no
        1. +2
          8 July 2012 19: 02
          is there a representative of the beeline? !!! smile
          1. +2
            8 July 2012 19: 17
            as many as two !!!! laughing
            1. +2
              8 July 2012 19: 56
              Well, zaminusuyte once again laughing laughing
          2. +1
            8 July 2012 21: 29
            ohh already 5 !!!!
            or is it a megaphone and MTS added their own lobby ?! laughing
            guys themselves are not funny?
    29. +8
      8 July 2012 17: 05
      Russians accept my condolences.
    30. BUTCHER
      +5
      8 July 2012 17: 16
      When the USSR was in, only large enterprises held serious classes in civil defense. But that was in the USSR. You all try to remember the alarms, and your actions (I ask you not to comment on the military - I myself am one of the former), and what should be in * alarming suitcases *, collection points, etc. The deepest condolences to all the victims.
      1. 0
        8 July 2012 17: 18
        Here! I could not restrain myself ... - from, as you put it, "former" - this should be the case for everyone. I have an alarming suitcase full - this is not paranoia, but just in case.
        1. CC-18a
          +1
          8 July 2012 18: 05
          I do not believe. You yourself admitted that OBZh did not learn anything, that is, you do not know what they taught there.

          Generally always funny to read all sorts of users who claim that they went to shooting training camps, and they shot from AK-47 O_O and M-16 from exotic foreign ones, that they have super-cute daggers and a knife on a pillow and other things, children's complexes seem cooler.
          In fact, when they write this "and I have ..." "Yes, I ..." - you can immediately see a school or a kindergarten.
          1. +1
            8 July 2012 18: 18
            Well, what are you .. taught in an alarming suitcase in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Later I read a variety of literature and I believe that it is necessary to have everything you need in one place. Maybe you're right - paranoia)?)
            Once on "you" ... I had to learn all these events later, when I was appointed in 2006 (as I already mentioned) the commander of the DIA.
    31. Alx1miK
      +1
      8 July 2012 17: 18
      At first I thought that this rarely happens there. But last night I saw from the first reports that for 10 years this was not the first time. The question naturally arises - if you knew that this region was constantly flooding, you were blaspheming doing nothing. Waiting for another tragedy ?! What kind of power is bl9d, they need someone to die, they won’t move without it. I am sorry for all the victims.
      1. -2
        8 July 2012 18: 12
        well, there are 12 thousand fewer of us, the whole demography down the drain
        I am sorry for everyone who suffered or lost relatives, it’s really hard, help the children from the Ministry of Emergencies, we are not iron, we can cope together, not for the first time already.
        1. +1
          8 July 2012 18: 36
          12 thousand is the total number of victims. 144 people died.
          It seems to me that it is impossible to predict and prevent such tragedies at 100%. Despite the efforts of any government. The element, it is the element.

          1. +2
            8 July 2012 18: 38
            Yes, I already realized that I was oversight, it is a pity that you can’t change the comments here as on http://warfiles.ru/
          2. 755962
            +1
            8 July 2012 22: 32
            Quote: darkman70
            12 thousand is the total number of victims. 144 people died.

            Already unfortunately not ..... More than 24 thousand residents of the (Crimean) region suffered. According to the latest data, more than 170 people were killed in the region during the flood.21: 47 08/07/2012.
      2. +1
        8 July 2012 18: 18
        1 and the mat is so necessary
        2 me, besides everything, always the residents are surprised to know that they are in the danger zone and are not ready for emergencies
        1. +1
          8 July 2012 18: 30
          although campaigning is underway, there is even a special magazine in which EMERCOM employees, usually the firefighters, write down which streets they handed out leaflets for, I don’t know about you, but we have a normal practice.
        2. Odinplys
          0
          9 July 2012 01: 13
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          2 me, besides everything, always the residents are surprised to know that they are in the danger zone and are not ready for emergencies

          And how many more such settlements ... and it’s not clear at all ... why to build and live in a zone of increased danger ... Although now with these arguments ... there’s no help for the dead ...
          1. -1
            9 July 2012 15: 10
            Again, I will give a real example near Alma-Ata if the town of Talgar is a name from the Talgarka river, the village goes down with regularity in the river and with the same regularity build cottages and katji in the mouth
    32. Svistoplyaskov
      +4
      8 July 2012 18: 24
      Mother nature is angry with us.
      Just to prevent an epidemic.
      Condolences to the families and friends of the deceased.
    33. +4
      8 July 2012 18: 42
      This tragedy could have been avoided if the Ministry of Emergency Situations developed a monitoring and warning system, but reforms have already reduced the number of employees below the baseboard, from 9 to 12 people per 80 thousand residents go on guard of the fire department, is this normal?
      1. 755962
        +3
        8 July 2012 22: 38
        Quote: cth; fyn
        if the Ministry of Emergencies developed a monitoring and warning system

        We have, as always, a good idea comes ........ when a fried rooster pecks at the fifth point ..
    34. marline
      +7
      8 July 2012 18: 43
      "cities and villages will collapse from earthquakes and floods, natural disasters will shake the Earth, bad people will prevail, and thieves, informers and harlots will be countless."



      “Russia will again become a great empire, above all, an empire of the spirit”

      Vanga
      1. 755962
        +3
        8 July 2012 22: 39
        Quote: merlin
        “Russia will again become a great empire, above all, an empire of the spirit”

        But it should not be reassuring .. It should be inspiring!
    35. Nursultan
      +4
      8 July 2012 18: 50
      My condolences!
    36. prispek
      +5
      8 July 2012 19: 05
      My condolences to the families of the victims. Brace yourself ...
    37. Drugar
      0
      8 July 2012 19: 15
      I'm so sorry. Perpetrators must be punished. 7 meter waves in 15 minutes from showers do not happen.
      In my opinion a very remarkable moment from the news portals:
      .... officials specially came from Krasnodar and gave the order to drain water from the Neberdzhaevsky reservoir, because otherwise the water would wash away the strategic facility of Rosneft, and also flooded the settlement of Proskoveevka, where Putin's dacha is located ....

      Information for consideration ...
      1. +4
        8 July 2012 20: 22
        Quote: Drugar
        Information for consideration ...

        and otkel infa?
      2. +4
        8 July 2012 23: 38
        That's about
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=TsRhY2RblU8
        I believe, before spreading rumors and making comments on them, you should competently understand the issue. The video talks about the technical impossibility of artificial discharge of water. And I have no reason to mistrust, if only because it is not very difficult to find out this issue. I don’t know for sure if the water was drained. And such rumors can be invented by some offended in life or simply enemies who are shaking the situation against the authorities for any reason. And we need to be vigilant and not "present" without reason.
        But what happened 10 years ago http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Su3kTRVPlk
        1. 0
          9 July 2012 10: 32
          So the answers began to come
          http://news.mail.ru/inregions/south/23/incident/9517126/?frommail=1
      3. lotus04
        0
        9 July 2012 09: 47
        Quote: Drugar
        ... officials specially came from Krasnodar and gave the order to drain water from the Neberdzhaevsky reservoir, because otherwise the water would wash away the strategic facility of Rosneft, and also flooded the settlement of Proskoveevka, where Putin's dacha is located ...


        Yes, there is something .....
    38. StrateG
      +2
      8 July 2012 20: 07
      You are sure?!
      the only way to secure this is to force ALL


      I think the best way to protect everyone is to follow the safety instructions and do the preventive maintenance in a timely manner.
    39. sttt99
      +1
      8 July 2012 20: 21
      Mentioned or let slip ???
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vlll3GNjrjo
    40. Bashkaus
      +1
      8 July 2012 21: 19
      My friend's wife is now in the Krasnodar Territory with her parents, she sent an SMS "everything is flooded, it smells of death all around, the trumpets are taken out by KAMAZ trucks ..." (((
      1. Miha_Skif
        +2
        9 July 2012 01: 32
        Well I do not know. He called his friends on Sunday in the village of Grigoryevskaya, near Krasnodar, they had no flood. Even the rain, they say, was not very strong. But, they say, on television, of course, they were impressed by the horrors
    41. toguns
      +1
      8 July 2012 22: 53
      a man-made disaster is sad, but it sometimes happens :(
      I am sorry for all the families of the victims and I advise you not to breed srach on this topic.
      1. Miha_Skif
        +4
        9 July 2012 01: 39
        This is not a man-made, but a natural disaster. Nobody could prevent it, but some services might have reduced the consequences of this disaster. Condolences to the relatives and friends of the victims
    42. Aleksandr98
      +2
      8 July 2012 23: 38
      And what blame the power? It’s none of their business to climb the sandors and latches. Great, trying to resolve what happened. From its level it is easier to find reserves.
      I sincerely feel sorry for the people, but you don’t understand what kind of democracy the apposition is pushing you to. This story will not be remembered.
      You have a good guide, it works for you.
      1. +1
        8 July 2012 23: 47
        Yes, it seems a lot from afar, the children ate, they forgot how, in the nineties, after terry dressing gowns, they rushed into a fight at the stinky flea markets of Moscow.
        You’re right you can’t argue.
    43. 0
      8 July 2012 23: 43
      Believe it here in the conspiracy theory .. why not war .. climatic. Only now they equipped Krymsk with new machines; in short, read for yourself:
      http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/9322/
    44. throst
      +1
      9 July 2012 00: 02
      condolences to the dead, survivors' health.
      at the expense of volunteers - this is right, in fact. it’s good when there are initiative citizens who are ready to help others in trouble.
    45. -3
      9 July 2012 00: 15
      Scribe! Who will be responsible for the dead and injured? In a country of chaos, they are drowning, burning, dying ... And everything is fine with us. In addition to catastrophes, the homeland suffices population decline. When will senior officials be held accountable for actions and inaction ?! And most of the problems are from their actions.
      1. +3
        9 July 2012 01: 13
        My friend, the whole world is, with rare exceptions, trying to put sticks in our wheels. Everyone who repaired the jackal unprincipled in debt at one time and is looking to please daddy Samchik, maybe a credit card, an interest-free il transhik toss to the offshore. Daddy, after all, a strong, rich little money chirps in a dark basement of the Fed. But wait a bit right now we’ll figure it out with the grains and we won’t get to those like fleas, don’t hope to hide behind anybody. Write here, sit the needles under the nails of Russia - trying to drive the mother deeper. And she goes on and on, crying softly about her children of duped, kind Kaihas with stone hearts.
        Yes, the Russian flag next to the muddy nickname ...
      2. throst
        +2
        9 July 2012 07: 08
        who will take action for the burning forests of Colorado? Who will be responsible for March 11, 2011? Did the prefect of Pompeii answer for his criminal disorder?
        in the event of natural disasters, the role of power is reduced to minimizing the consequences. To prevent - it is rather to the heavenly office. at the earth level have learned so far to cram the invisible. but it's not like that at all.
    46. kNow
      +3
      9 July 2012 00: 22
      As directed by President Ilham
      Aliyev, on Sunday to Russia
      sent a humanitarian caravan from
      22 trucks of the Ministry of Emergencies. Humanitarian assistance includes
      drinking water, juices and more
      necessary food.
      The caravan is accompanied by 38 people. As the press service said,
      the caravan is expected to reach
      flood zones tomorrow.
      1. Yarbay
        -1
        10 July 2012 18: 56
        Azerbaijan sent a second caravan with humanitarian aid to the flood-hit Krasnodar Territory of Russia.

        At the direction of President Ilham Aliyev, a humanitarian caravan of 22 trucks of the Ministry of Emergencies was sent to Russia.

        Trend reports that the commander of the civil defense forces, Major General Ilham Abdullaev, told reporters on Tuesday.

        According to him, in 20 cars there is drinking water, in one hygiene bags for children and in another clothes for women and children.

        The arrival of the caravan, with 51 personnel, at its destination is expected on Wednesday.

        The first humanitarian aid caravan, dispatched on July 8, also consisted of 22 vehicles. Humanitarian assistance included drinking water, juices and other necessary food.
        http://news.day.az/society/343118.html
    47. erkenegon
      -7
      9 July 2012 02: 03
      my most sincere condolences !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      The authorities could and were obliged to prevent this terrible catastrophe, then it and the authorities !!!!!!!!!!!!! If she did not do this, she signed for her own helplessness.
      1. +1
        9 July 2012 02: 14
        What about September 11, wise guy? The authorities there even knew about it and what ... the answer to the studio!
        1. erkenegon
          -2
          9 July 2012 11: 16
          youtube Flood in the Kuban TV Center 2011, Report of the day 15.05.2011/XNUMX/XNUMX MPEG, Flood in the Kuban NTK, Flood in the Kuban eyewitness video, The consequences of the flood in the Kuban

          This is the year 2011. look and then draw your bespontovye conclusions
        2. erkenegon
          -2
          9 July 2012 12: 45
          Here from people like you or people like you die!
      2. erkenegon
        -2
        9 July 2012 12: 44
        Rogozin instructed to develop flood warning measures

        MOSCOW, July 9. Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin on Monday instructed the head of the Russian Emergencies Ministry, Vladimir Puchkov, in a week to begin developing a set of measures to prevent such emergencies as in the Kuban, according to online media.


        The deputy prime minister’s commission concerns emergency training and information.






        The flood on the night of July 7 flooded more than 5 thousand residential buildings in three cities (Gelendzhik, Krymsk, Novorossiysk) and a number of villages in the Krasnodar Territory. The flooding was due to heavy rains. According to the latest data, 171 people died, including 159 in the Crimean region, two in Novorossiysk and 10 in Gelendzhik. 205 people, including 48 children, applied for medical help. 159 people were hospitalized with injuries of varying severity, including 16 children. On the fact of the mass death of people in the Kuban, a criminal case was initiated under the article "causing death by negligence."
        Read more: http://www.rosbalt.ru/main/2012/07/09/1008633.html

        This is my answer to those who are minus me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From myself late, my friend had to thunder. .................................?!
      3. -2
        9 July 2012 13: 11
        if you are so competent tell me how the government could prevent a natural disaster?
        1. staser
          +1
          9 July 2012 13: 21
          difficult to prevent and in most cases impossible. But a warning is possible!
          1. +1
            9 July 2012 13: 39
            It could have been prevented by forcing the passage of precipitation in another area. For these purposes, powder or commonplace cement is sprayed over a cloud of rain. Ejected particles are crystallization centers, if I am not mistaken, and precipitation occurs in the region where this is necessary. But who could know that these precipitation will be so plentiful - that is the question. And it is rarely used (in Moscow, for example).
          2. +1
            9 July 2012 13: 45
            warn about what?
            1. staser
              0
              9 July 2012 13: 49
              http://lenta.ru/news/2012/07/09/pay/
              Above, I set this link, I think it’s also good here
          3. +2
            9 July 2012 15: 07
            it’s useless to warn our person with confidence that even if they ran and screamed three or four hours before the flood, who the hell would have come out, and even more so agreed to evacuate, I know this not by word or by hearsay.
            this does not mean that the warning system should not be, but with our mentality it will work if it still has people with machine guns and the right to be shot on the spot
        2. erkenegon
          -1
          9 July 2012 13: 39
          Elementary

          1.In Soviet times, there was such a thing as GO
          2. we still live in the 21st century; the notification service did not work; the warning was at 22 00 the elements occurred at 01 00 nights
          3. I posted links from youtube floods on the Kuban are not uncommon could be predicted
          1. +1
            9 July 2012 14: 48
            Excuse me, were you there?
            Do you know when, how and what happened?
            if floods are not uncommon, then first of all residents should be ready for them to have escape routes from their homes and have an "emergency" suitcase at hand
    48. vbhljvectve
      +2
      9 July 2012 04: 16
      Scribe! Who will be responsible for the dead and injured? In a country of chaos, they are drowning, burning, dying ... And everything is fine with us. In addition to catastrophes, the homeland suffices population decline. When will senior officials be held accountable for actions and inaction ?! And most of the problems are from their actions.

      1) this is a natural disaster
      2) the authorities do what they can
      3) do not panic
    49. marline
      -2
      9 July 2012 08: 28
      natural disaster in the minds of people - you can put things in order in your head - there will be order in life
    50. -1
      9 July 2012 08: 50
      Quote: killganoff
      When will senior officials be held accountable for actions and inaction ?! And most of the problems are from their actions.

      Good question. Only not quite applicable to this topic.
      The state will not protect against natural disasters. But, nevertheless, here too, privatization and bureaucratic lawlessness took place.

      "after in the notorious" nineties "it was decided to transfer the maintenance of hydroelectric power plants and reservoirs to private companies, some of them simply" squeeze profit "out of the facilities, not thinking about repair, protection, etc. It's another matter that after the start Investigations on the Ballo and Svetlitskoye reservoir began to reconstruct. So the hydrologists of the water utility were shocked to see "The work on the reservoir, when we arrived here, was not in full swing, besides the security - only the pump operator and Uncle Mitya, a shift electrician. No excavators or repair crews are visible. "

      Taken from Trueinform.ru

      In short, again privatization, again an "effective private trader", again sawing up the dough instead of reconstruction. How much this reservoir influenced the disaster, while they argue.
      In any case, it would be high time for Putin to carry out cleansing operations among his bureaucrats, who are not only hated by "Orangemen" and "human rights activists". We need demonstrative executions of criminals-bureaucrats and ZhKHshnikov-thieves. Otherwise, the Orangemen have good reasons to blame Putin for everything and call for a change of power to please the foreign owners.
    51. Alexander KO
      +1
      9 July 2012 09: 40
      Some frequent abnormal weather conditions suggest artificially created conditions. Flood in Kuban, abnormal heat in Siberia, fires in the taiga... maybe someone is playing with the climate???
    52. Denzel13
      0
      9 July 2012 10: 06
      There are actually significantly more people who died as a result of the flood, as far as no one knows for sure, since the rubble will still be cleared for a long time.
      If memory serves, in 2002 there was a situation when they wanted to blow up the dam of the Krasnodar reservoir in order to flood the territory of Adygea and prevent the flooding of Krasnodar. Then it was lucky that the water did not rise above the critical level. It was also night time. Naturally, no one warned the residents of the area expected to be flooded, “to avoid panic,” as the management explained. However, military engineering units of the Ministry of Emergency Situations, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and investigators from the prosecutor's office were raised (respectively to inspect the scenes of incidents with alleged victims). Therefore, no one will ever voice the truth.
    53. USNik
      -1
      9 July 2012 10: 35
      Pest, how could you sleep through THIS??? Who is the head of the Ministry of Emergency Situations there?? Has Tsuka relaxed? Or should the prime minister be judged for such missteps? or has Uncle Pu relaxed? You watch the news and go crazy...
      1. +1
        9 July 2012 11: 26
        Do you even know what a flood in the foothills is?
        I’m not making excuses for anyone, but I’m tired of the sweeping statements of people who have no idea what it is in recent days
    54. +3
      9 July 2012 13: 17
      Reposted my own from the next thread.
      Vasilenko, Volodya gave you a plus.
      vorobey (1) Today, 12: 26
      1





      The kingdom of heaven is lost. My family got around grief. a cousin and her husband sat on the second floor.

      I was struck by something else. How low we have fallen for some 20 years to receive dividends from the grief of the same mortal insects as ourselves. After the weekend I climbed onto the Internet, I knew what would happen, but not to the same extent. even scum classmate who now lives in Moscow and is an ardent oppositionist instead of once again re-posting the bill to help post opposition statements and arguments without soil. A lot of words a lot of dirt. I read the comments on the previous article. Novorossiysk and Gelendzhik saved. Yes, they already covered before. And as you can imagine, the Neberdzhaevskoye water and water defense with a mark of 162m will jump to the Novoros ridge with marks of 540m and above. Fighters, and of which most here open the topographic map. Not GPS and not atlas and you will see a lot. In addition to the lower bank, you will also see the upper bank which is higher to the pass to Novoros. And you will see why they did not suffer there. I trampled these mountains as a boy when, from the eighth grade, I was somewhere in Tuapse or Novoros with infantry from Krasnodar. Anyone who has fallen in the mountains knows what rain is. And that you just can’t put up a tent and that a dry bed turns into a tent. Another question is what about Neberdzhaevskaya, which is located immediately behind the reservoir on the way to Krymsk, and the spillway goes right through it.

      I will say cynically and blasphemously. Even hypothetically, if I had the choice to save Gelendzhik with Novoros by emergency dumping or Krymsk, I would choose to save Novoros and Gelendzhik because there are now a bunch of our children of different ages in the camps, and one counselor for 15-20 people would hardly do that. Forgive me dead.

      For myself, I made conclusions. The elements and power are equally to blame. The authorities are to blame for the fact that the warning system is not working. Remember to return the market to the village? Then we laughed and it turns out that the most unreliable thing in life is technology dependence. The authorities are to blame for the fact that poachers and not poachers cut oak and beech there, and the top cuts leave branches in the mountains, which are then collected by streams in dams. The authorities are to blame for the fact that they were inactive and some indulged this.
      The authorities are guilty of their excuses. No one was found who would say that they didn’t quite or not work well. No such feeder is more expensive. In fact, we were once again convinced that we are not ready for anything. so at least hang the market in place. at least the people will not sleep.


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      1. Yarbay
        0
        10 July 2012 18: 38
        Dear Sparrow!
        I believe you!
        But I think that this is simply a mockery of people and the irresponsibility and negligence of government officials!!
        And what I see after the disaster I can only call cynicism!
        Condolences to all Russians!
    55. erkenegon
      -4
      9 July 2012 13: 37
      Elementary:
      1.In Soviet times, there was such a thing as GO
      2. we still live in the 21st century; the notification service did not work; the warning was at 22 00 the elements occurred at 01 00 nights
      3. I posted links from youtube floods on the Kuban are not uncommon could be predicted
      1. +2
        9 July 2012 14: 52
        Quote: erkenegon
        After all, we live in the 21st century, the warning service did not work, the warning was at 22:00, the disaster occurred at 01:00 at night

        pirivozhe a real example from life in the year 7, I was still living in Alma-Ata, a city in the zone of the 11th magnitude earthquake and on the path of a possible collapse of destructive mudflows, I was sitting at home around 10 pm watching cable TV, suddenly a running line - “citizens along the bed of the big river Alma-Ata, a mudflow is possible,” and I live just 200 meters west of this river, and the car parking lot is generally 10 meters from the river, since there was an advertisement, I thought I went and picked up the car documents and went to spend the night in another apartment, in the morning it turned out that it was there was a glitch among emergency responders, but the joke is that I was almost the only one who left the zone of a possible disaster, draw your own conclusions
        1. +2
          9 July 2012 18: 46
          and the minus for the fact that I fought off the team and listened to the ChSovtsev? laughing
    56. erkenegon
      -1
      9 July 2012 14: 00
      Expert: Kuban authorities did not draw any conclusions from the 2002 tragedy

      KRASNODAR, July 9. Deputy Director for Research at the Institute of Water Problems of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Alexander Gelfan, believes that the Krasnodar region was not ready for the disaster, although a similar situation occurred here in 2002.


      The expert calls the cause of the incident an extreme rainfall that fell in the catchment area of ​​the Neberdzhaevsky reservoir. “If most of a 100-kilometre catchment receives 27 cm of rain in a few hours, and there has also been heavy rain a few days before, and the entire soil is saturated, this is very likely to result in the volume of flooding of the magnitude that occurred. It can go about a wave 5-7 m high,” says Gelfan, as quoted by RBC.


      He noted that such floods are not a rare phenomenon, but the Krasnodar region was not ready for such a development of events.

      “In hydrology there is such a thing as a “flash flood” - a sudden, rapidly developing flood. This often happens in mountainous and foothill areas, but in countries where mechanisms for warning and forecasting such situations have been developed, in countries where hydraulic structures are in order, in countries , where measures to evacuate people have been worked out - hundreds of thousands are evacuated in a matter of hours, in these countries such natural phenomena do not lead to such catastrophic phenomena. Unfortunately, we do not have the first, nor the second, nor the third to the extent that this exists in economically developed countries,” noted the deputy director of the Institute of Water Problems.

      He turned to the experience of Germany and the Czech Republic, where similar floods occurred in 2004. and 2006, as well as England, which now finds itself in a similar situation. In these countries, floods cause significant damage, but there are either no casualties at all or only a few casualties.

      “And here we first have 2002, when in the same area 109 people died during a flood, and now 10 years have passed, and what has been done during this time?” Gelfan asks rhetorically. “Of course, it’s wonderful that people who have lost relatives are paid 1 million rubles - thank God, this exists, but it would be better if these billions of rubles went to the construction and repair of hydraulic structures,” the expert noted.


      According to him, according to official data from Rostechnadzor, the level of readiness of hydraulic structures to perform the functions for which they were created is catastrophically low: half of them are in unsatisfactory condition, 16% are in dangerous condition.

      “What can we say about the possibility of saving people when hydraulic structures are not repaired, when they are dilapidated, when the warning system does not work due to the fact that there is no monitoring system for such events, when the weather forecasting system does not work or does not work at the proper level,” — the expert lists.

      Gelfan emphasized that there are natural phenomena that are very difficult to predict and prevent in advance, but there must be a system to mitigate the consequences of situations that do not work. The Neberdzhaevskoe reservoir is not designed to contain such floods, since it has a very low flood control capacity; it was not built for this. He also noted that there should be dams that would protect against the development of such situations, which apparently do not exist.


      The flood on the night of July 7 flooded more than 5 thousand residential buildings in three cities (Gelendzhik, Krymsk, Novorossiysk) and a number of villages in the Krasnodar Territory. The flooding occurred due to heavy rains. As a result, 171 people died, including 159 in the Crimean region, two in Novorossiysk and 10 in Gelendzhik. Residents of the Krymsky region were sleeping when a seven-meter wave hit their houses and flooded the regional center and surrounding villages.


      Governor of the Krasnodar Territory Alexander Tkachev held a meeting with residents of Krymsk, during which he frankly said that the authorities did not consider it necessary to warn the city residents about its outbreak three hours before the disaster began.


      The head of the Ministry of Emergency Situations, Vladimir Puchkov, admitted that the system for warning the population about the threat of flooding in the Kuban did not work properly. According to him, comprehensive work to notify the population was not carried out, and mistakes were made on the part of local leaders and individual services.
      More details: http://www.rosbalt.ru/federal/2012/07/09/1008699.html
      Guernator Tkachev is on trial!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    57. 0
      9 July 2012 17: 05
      Well, what can you say, it’s a tragedy and whatnot... could it have been prevented, most likely yes, during the years of the USSR a whole system of hydraulic structures was created which served as a water supply for the population and agricultural needs, after the collapse of the USSR and the revelry democracy, both in the “happy” nineties and the “fat” 200s, the entire system was left without control of general monitoring, no one carried out (and it’s not necessary to cut down the main loot”, of course, the watercourses where they became clogged where they became unusable, the result was sad due to the powerful rain to the disaster, the water flow was powerful and intensified every minute, its movement was not through the mountains, please note there is a map and the flow went along the A146 motorway, which in principle was unusual, but on the other hand the flow has to go somewhere.. .. Our traditional maybe, multiplied by the blatant bureaucratic crap...ism of the last decades has led to the death of our comrades.....
    58. late
      0
      9 July 2012 20: 46
      Yes, it’s terrible to realize that so many people died because such a catastrophe was not foreseen and prevented.. People have so much grief - there is nothing worse than burying loved ones and loved ones. I sympathize with all my heart!
    59. corwet
      +2
      10 July 2012 09: 56
      Who is guilty? Nobody!

      The coolest thing about the system of power created by Putin is that big or even average bosses, or even "force majeure circumstances" are never to blame for it. The most terrible accident at the Sayano-Shushenskaya hydroelectric power station, who is to blame? Nobody! Monstrous tragedy of the Kursk submarine, who is to blame? Nobody! Terrorists seized a school in Beslan, who is to blame? Nobody! Explosions in the Moscow metro, who is to blame? Nobody! Whole houses collapsed either from terrorist attacks or from "household gas explosions", who is to blame? Nobody! A mudflow sweeps the city of Krymsk off the face of the Earth, who is to blame? That's right, nobody. Never. Not guilty of anything. In extreme cases - "technical failure" or "oversight". Do cops of people drink bottles to death? Overlooked. Terrorists seize a theater center in Moscow? Overlooked again. Single case. Fatal accident. Will not happen again, no one is to blame, so the stars converged. And they will never converge again, a rare phenomenon!

      And at the same time, we wait for August, the fateful month, every year with an internal shudder, having already accepted in advance that something will certainly fall, explode, flood, and blow away at least several dozen corpses.

      At the same time, the idea is that the boss is responsible for the actions of his subordinates, and his subordinates are responsible for the safety of the population on all spectrums, from heavy rains to terrorist attacks (this system is called the “Working State”, in case you don’t know), and in the event of another “tragic accident” "("Chechen militants transported two truckloads of weapons to a school through 10 checkpoints, oh, what an accident! The Deputy Minister of Energy received money issued for the reconstruction of hydraulic structures, who would have thought! Everything is so unexpected! So suddenly! Unpredictable! ") the blame falls on everyone hierarchy. All the way.

      We have an amazing transforming state, if you think about it. From the TV they talk about the "vertical of power", about "the president took the matter under personal control", about "winter has passed, summer has come, thanks to Putin for this", but if a fucking thing happens, there is no vertical at once, no one is in anything guilty, "We sho, we are nicho, we ourselves just came up. Signed: regulatory authorities."

      It goes without saying that Governor Tkachev is not at all to blame for the fact that in his region a criminal syndicate seized several settlements and was engaged in mass murder and rape there. How can a governor know what is going on in the region, right? And even more so, the governor of the region has nothing to do with the fact that there are over 100 emergency hydraulic structures in the region, about which residents even create websites and write letters to the newspapers "WE WILL BUT NOW." How could the governor, who has been heading the region since 2001, know about this horror? Only 11 years in office, just started to understand the situation. And, of course, Putin is not to blame for anything three times, having appointed such an innocent governor. Everyone is pure as babies.

      Only the corpses that are shown year after year in the news after another tragedy for which no one will be punished are dirty. Rain. The terrorists. The torpedo detonated. Rock. Fate God's providence.

      - What happened to the Crimean?
      - He drowned.

      http://www.facebook.com/sputpom/posts/328973747190291
      1. +2
        10 July 2012 15: 02
        In this case, I fully support you and believe that the United States should have been wiped off the face of the Earth for the submarine. We have to fuck it before they finish building the missile defense system.
    60. PARROT
      0
      10 July 2012 13: 50
      Read here: we delete such messages
      Evgenia Stepanova -
      (Babenko) -
      19:38
      MANAGED
      COPY Hello
      e friends. I'm not writing for the sake of
      sympathy or in search
      some help. I just
      I want the truth!!!
      I'm already thinking about the flood
      everyone heard, but once again
      not a single word of truth. I
      not
      I just want to tell you what
      here
      is happening. I'm just screaming with anger because... V
      Once again
      administration
      Tkacheva hid the whole truth.
      If someone has
      opportunity to disseminate
      this information - help
      Please !!! I live 60
      km. from
      Krymsk, in the city itself
      My aunt lives with two cousins.
      Yesterday I succeeded with them
      contact... What they
      they said it was just a shock
      and neither
      a single word does not coincide with official reports!!!
      First of all, a warning - they
      live (more precisely, they lived in 30
      meters from the fire station)
      - but
      even they didn't hear loudly
      talking connection!!! Aunt all
      didn't sleep at night, RUNNING
      LINES
      as the head says
      administration of the Crimean region - NOT!!! Yes and
      whom
      she would help at 3 o'clock
      nights?
      Now the victims - What 170
      Human!!!!!!! Villages like Bakanka are already simply
      not!!!
      A village with a population of about
      half a thousand people just
      No!!! Just yesterday itself
      Krymsk lay in the gutters
      corpses of old people and children.
      Bags of corpses at night
      KAMAZ trucks are being transported by flights
      about
      300-500 bags per flight!!! And all this is still in the very
      in full swing!!!
      They're just collecting
      the dead
      within the city, forest and
      rice system where did it go
      flood
      no one is investigating yet!
      Only on the street where I lived
      big brother from home
      73 CORPSES were removed. (my brother opened the houses and helped
      get corpses. People in
      a dream
      Entire families died!!!
      73
      - A PERSON WITH ONLY ONE
      STREETS AND ONLY ITSELF
      KRIMSKA!!! WHAT CAN
      BE
      170
      TOTAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now the truth about the reasons -
      WHAT RAIN!!! Wave
      (exactly
      wave) washing away the adobe
      I ran out of matches at home -
      3-5 meters!!! Any sane person
      understands that the water level
      from
      it doesn't rain in waves (it's
      Me and
      I confirm as a participant
      three floods in
      latest
      10 years). I sure that
      Inhabitants
      Bakanki know the truth - but beyond the Krasnodar Territory
      she won't come out. Please everyone
      who
      maybe spread it
      the truth!!! We are no longer waiting
      help - we want the truth!!!

      Will you trust the authorities? Tkachev on trial? Are you sure that the trial is what he deserves. What kind of country are you, look what the Japanese ministers and officials said about their latest tragedy, and your Tkachev immediately began talking about rumors and making excuses, what are you doing anyway? Have you lost your mind?
      Everyone knows about this, and no one is afraid anymore, the journalist continues, everyone is talking about Lake Neberdzhaevskoye: this is one of four artificial reservoirs located above the valley. "There was too much water, it could have overflowed the pool." Then the city of Novorossiysk would have been flooded. We had to save him. There is a port and the world's second largest oil terminal. "They opened the floodgates and let the water out." They sacrificed Crimean, choosing the lesser evil. No one warned the population. “We realized that something was happening,” recalls Nikolai. “At 23 p.m. they turned off the power. Three hours later there was a rumble, and then all hell broke loose.”
      Read more: http://www.rosbalt.ru/main/2012/07/09/1008639.html
    61. -1
      10 July 2012 14: 56
      Goebbels has risen with his propaganda. May God grant the power of the mind to quickly return “slander” to the Criminal Code and punish it with impalement or impalement...
      1. PARROT
        -3
        10 July 2012 17: 15
        Yes, people like you need to have their brains set on stakes. Just go to VKontakte and see what people from Krymsk write. http://vk.com/id104200907 let's say or here http://vk.com/uefa_cup
        1. +4
          10 July 2012 17: 41
          You know better from Ukraine. Your contact is a mouthpiece, and I have a cousin in Krymsk. Read what I wrote above, and take a look at the map. You idiots think about what you write. there is not enough evil for your chicken brains.
          1. +3
            10 July 2012 17: 59
            The problem is that in most cases such conclusions are made by people who have no idea what mountains and mountain streams are. In general, if such a discharge or breakthrough occurred from the upper reservoir, the city would sooner be covered by a mudflow, rather than a flood of water, and the casualties would number in the thousands
          2. PARROT
            -4
            10 July 2012 18: 20
            Yes, I see the situation better from Ukraine than you from Russia. Maybe, of course, I’m throwing out unreliable information, but this is information from the people of Krymsk, and as for reliability, time will tell. The idiot here is you and everyone who believes in the words of the authorities, and not the residents of Krymsk. And I absolutely don’t care who your president is now or who your opposition is, for me the main thing is the truth.
            1. +2
              10 July 2012 18: 27
              Quote: PARROT
              but this is information from the people of Krymsk

              Sorry, but this information is from social networks, and not from specific people from Krymsk, I don’t want to discredit anyone, but creating a village and stuffing it with all sorts of “reliable” rubbish will take half an hour.
        2. +3
          10 July 2012 17: 51
          Well, firstly, in contact this is not the final authority, there has already been “irrefutable evidence” of draining water from the reservoir, which turned out to be nonsense
          but they write, sorry to the OBS principle, the officials left the day before, they reported about the flood a day before, no matter how emotions are in the analysis of such cases, it is an extremely dangerous and completely unnecessary thing
          1. +2
            10 July 2012 17: 57
            Moreover, Volodya’s heads have already begun to fly, and this is just the beginning.

            Just for fun, take a topographic map, even in Yandex there is, in my opinion, L39 and you will see that the water collected away from the Neberdzhaevsky reservoir and came from four directions. The mudflows shown on the news confirmed my conclusions.
            1. +2
              10 July 2012 18: 01
              again, the problem of today is social networks, if they wrote that the discharge was from the upper reservoir, then no scientific calculations or documentary evidence are authority for the zombies
              the main problem is our mentality, even reading on VKontakte you are amazed, they write that there were already a lot of expensive cars the night before, that is, you saw that a spontaneous evacuation had begun (according to eyewitnesses), but at the same time go to bed peacefully and there are not even those on duty you are exhibiting.
              1. PARROT
                -3
                10 July 2012 19: 15
                http://korrespondent.net/russia/1370168-rossijskoe-tv-putin-na-fone-kubanskogo-p

                otopa?utm_source=HomePage&utm_medium=column2&utm_campaign=UkWo
                You are the zombies.
                What is epiphany? This is when you live in Russia, all channels tell you super positive news:
                - about how much GDP has grown
                -about how the country is moving towards a bright future
                -about how unbearable it is to live in the West and how poor Greeks are already starving
                And here you are, proud of your country! You are overwhelmed with a feeling of greatness... But at one moment you wake up waist-deep in water, another comedy is shown on the TV that is still on, then the lights go out and you are left in complete darkness! You can't hear your one-year-old baby scream because his crib is already submerged under water! You swim up to the crib and feel for your baby under the water, take him out, but he is no longer breathing! You rush to the exit, but under the pressure of the water you cannot open the door, you swim to the window, but there are bars there! The water is approaching the ceiling, there are 10 centimeters left from the water to the ceiling... it seems to have stopped! There is silence all around, no sounds of helicopters or motor boats. You are trying to resuscitate your child, but in such a situation it is to no avail. You stand on the nightstand and look at the ceiling. This continues for 3 hours. Nobody came to save you! Nobody warned you about the flood! At this moment, an epiphany occurs!
                Dear Russians, I wish you to gain insight before the next wave arrives! Not my comment, but I completely agree.
                1. PARROT
                  -3
                  10 July 2012 19: 52
                  Meeting with Governor Alexander Tkachev. Krymsk. 08.07.2012/XNUMX/XNUMX
                  - Tkachev: I’m telling you, reporting.
                  An alert that heavy rainfall is possible, simultaneous with the consequences of the river overflowing its limits, was received - official data - at 22:XNUMX. Evenings.
                  - people: “Normal people go to bed...” “Why didn’t they tell anyone...”
                  - Tkachev: Next. Further. I'll negotiate. The peak water load began at one in the morning and lasted until three. You know this better than me. And naturally...
                  What do you think, my dears, if today, even at 22 o’clock, with a break until three ... until one in the morning, what, it was necessary to reach everyone?
                  This is impossible. By what forces? this time.
                  Secondly... wait a second...
                  - people: “There is a warning system!”
                  - Tkachev: Secondly. And would you, and would you, and would you, get up and leave the house, so to speak?
                  - people: “No, we would drown, just like we drowned ten years ago...” “If only we had packed our things, you bastard...”
                  - Tkachev: Okay. We continue to work.
                  1. PARROT
                    -2
                    10 July 2012 20: 09
                    Only Jews can downvote, just like that little Jew Tkachev of yours. It's a shame that the Slavs allow themselves to be treated this way.
                    1. +2
                      10 July 2012 21: 02
                      oooh how neglected everything is, after this nonsense I’ll definitely minus
                2. +2
                  10 July 2012 20: 57
                  firstly, what the hell are you pointing at, secondly, I don’t watch TV, I’m dead, I’m not going to the city to buy a new receiver

                  and the rest of your verbiage (sorry, I can’t call it anything else) is real hysteria, I’ll repeat it for you once again, no matter what kind of system the country has - monarchy, communism, fascism, democracy or anything else, natural disasters will happen, but about the fact that no one didn’t come and didn’t help - God is your judge
                  1. PARROT
                    -3
                    10 July 2012 21: 07
                    How stupid and gregarious you are. Maybe you are Vasilevich, and not Vasilenko, I don’t believe that a person with a Ukrainian surname can think like that. I understand how people don’t believe in the version that the reservoir burst or there are still sluices there and that there are many more victims, but when they minus the dialogue of a Jew with the Russian people, where they minus the fact that a Jew spits in the soul people - I will never understand, only final degradation.
                    Where did I even poke you and tell you that no one came to help?
                    1. +2
                      10 July 2012 21: 12
                      you are very smart, so there is no point in arguing further with swami, you don’t even remember what you wrote, you have learned to be rude very well, but it seems like you can’t take responsibility for your rudeness
                      re-read your opus from 19:15 and you will see all the answers to your questions, about surnames this is generally out of the ordinary for elementary school, and hearing this from the person hiding behind a nickname is generally funny
                      1. PARROT
                        -2
                        10 July 2012 21: 26
                        I remember very well what I wrote, read the last sentence from 19-15. You probably don’t notice the details in politics, but the essence is hidden in the details, because your governor speaks to the people, because he says the word opposition to Putin in a report about rumors, in order to emphasize his loyalty, you can draw conclusions, I’m talking about him I had never heard of it before, then I found out his nationality, about the case of Sashka the Thief and in general for me this is a fight for at least some kind of justice, because in our country it’s the same, it’s just that more people notice such cases in our country, and in yours Roofs were blown off due to urapatriotism.
                        1. +2
                          10 July 2012 21: 56
                          when they quote, they put quotation marks, the forum services allow you to highlight quotes separately, but you can’t, you can highlight them by color, size, etc.
                          and enough emotions are enough already, and if you quote nonsense and subscribe to it, be prepared to be called stupid
                        2. PARROT
                          -1
                          10 July 2012 22: 08
                          I have nothing more to tell you, I hope that someday you will understand the full scale of cynicism from your authorities, I hope the truth will emerge from you.
                          https://twitter.com/#!/search/%23%D0%9A%D1%80%D1%8B%D0%BC%D1%81%D0%BA
    62. USNik
      +1
      10 July 2012 16: 16
      Tkachev and the head of the Ministry of Emergency Situations will definitely be put on trial and 20 years in prison! A lot of people died, the video from the tube makes the hair on your head start to move! The news headlines are shocking, “Part of the city is still without power, in some areas there is no water and gas supply.”, “The police are asking residents of Krymsk to hand over their weapons to the district department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs for safekeeping.”, “Aid to the victims has been issued, in particular, pasta, however, in a city where there is no drinking water or gas, it is impossible to prepare them, they are passing on "... This is some kind of scribe, it’s time for Uncle Pu to take decisive action, equating bribery and theft of funds with TERRORISM AND DROOM all the stealing bitches anywhere, even in the toilet!
      1. +1
        10 July 2012 18: 30
        I don’t understand why your hair is moving, there is no light, and you think that with such a flood it can already be given? or do you think that gas should be supplied?
        what kind of baby talk is this?!!!
        about weapons, too, the idea is correct, emotions run high and only God knows who this weapon can shoot at
    63. -1
      11 July 2012 01: 06
      Quote: vvvvv
      May God grant the power of the mind to quickly return “slander” to the Criminal Code and punish it with impalement or impalement...

      We need to start impaling the bureaucrats. I am wrong? Then why has the number of bureaucrats in our country tripled compared to the USSR? And at the same time, the streets are dirty, the roads are worse than in poor countries, kilometer-long queues for all sorts of certificates stating that you are not a camel? Why did Golikova pass her decree on medical examinations for shift workers with impunity? You know that engineers are fired from their jobs due to poor eyesight or gastritis. Are their families deprived of their livelihood? Golikova hopes that these people who have lost their jobs will now cure their gastritis and begin to see better?
      The authorities may not be to blame for the flooding of Krymsk. BUT the authorities are obliged to speak the TRUTH!!!
      1. +2
        11 July 2012 01: 55
        It does not interfere. But, you understand that you can’t put someone in jail if the crime has not been established?! I am for the investigation to find out the true picture of guilt, including that of officials, and if there is guilt, then an appropriate punishment. But this also applies to unreliable information, which, among other things, is undoubtedly thrown in to shake up the situation in Russia for any reason. Information has appeared - also conduct an investigation and identify the source and distributors. Everyone must be responsible for their deeds and words. I, for example, am not asserting anything at all regarding the events under discussion, because... I don’t have enough verified information. Yes, I am sure that officials are definitely not 100% perfect. The exact degree of guilt is unknown to me. But I am also sure that there are stuffings.
        The worst thing is that there are certainly people who want rebellion and civil society in Russia - even against the backdrop of a tragedy, even social. inequality, even national or religious strife. This makes it easier to launch the Libyan-Syrian scenarios. McCain, it seems, promised us this...
        Any matters must be resolved within the framework of the law. If someone is outraged, then let them create a public group and engage in public control of the investigation. Let him provide any materials. But, if someone makes a forgery and distorts, then he must answer. Likewise, everyday conflicts should be considered strictly in the legal framework without being swayed into interethnic conflicts, even if people of different nations were involved. And the diaspora should be smart enough not to interfere. Then the main task of society will be only monitoring the implementation of the law. I know what you will say. But there is no other reasonable way out. Otherwise it will be bad for everyone. I will not delve into the topic of the law - it is separate.
        So what am I saying wrong?
    64. +3
      11 July 2012 02: 17
      Regarding the other problems you raised. The people themselves are ready to stand up for their rights together?! If we were ready, we would defend it. I already wrote here in the forum before that the majority of people are not interested in what you think about the medical board and Golikova... The masses don’t care about anything at all...
      They will kill the whole city, people will scream, but even in the neighboring ones they will continue to live as they lived. It’s also the officials’ and the authorities’ fault that people are like this?! They scammed a lot of mortgage holders in Moscow, but no one else cared. And in many other examples.
      I am very much in favor of having a civil society in Russia and upholding the rights of citizens. But, I am against provocateurs and slanderers. Now, it seems true that the majority of people at Bolotnaya had a goal to achieve fair elections, public participation in government decisions, everyone came with their own REAL problems and claims. However, this wave was ridden by the most vile liberals, who actually have their headquarters at the US Embassy near McFaul... Where the authorities were wrong, they turned around on the sly - emphasizing the patriotic feelings of part of the population. Those. there are actually three sides at that time - a certain concentration of elites focused on THEIR independence; people; concentration of pro-Western elites. And here it’s every man for himself. Yes, I am not a supporter of idealism - to think that someone wants to do good. Only indirectly and to the minimum necessary extent do people receive something. But, I believe, the elites focused on sovereignty (theirs), i.e. they want to be owners in the Russian Federation - the lesser evil. Because external elites will install managers and the flow of all resources will leave even more, and even less will remain here. This is if we do not consider the option from theories about the sufficiency of a much smaller population on the territory of the Russian Federation.
    65. CC-18a
      +2
      11 July 2012 13: 34
      Time passed, and everything was put on shelves.
      The news showed a video of the reservoir from which water allegedly burst. The reservoir is intact, there is no damage, the water in it is as it was, the dam is intact, grass and bushes grow on it.
      What does it say?
      Only about one thing, that bloggers and those who here pushed the version that the authorities are to blame for everything and specifically those dams turned out to be AGAIN! liars, liars and just p**balls. But this is not the main thing, I personally knew that they were liars, liars and c**ts, I was struck by this tragedy by how IMORAL you f*cks are who took advantage of the tragedy! death of people for their own selfish purposes. For you non-humans, grief and death are a holiday and a reason to bark at the state, as this incident showed, for you there is nothing sacred, if you are ready to promote and anti-PR the state over the death of people, then to the point of deliberately killing people with your own hands in order to blame the state You have already taken a step, the main moral step, you have stepped over your conscience, you no longer have it.

      All those who said that the authorities and specifically the dam are to blame for everything, you are *****, more than one normal person will not shake your hands with honor if he finds out who you are, and you are most likely not from Russia.
      The test of time turned out to be, as I wrote earlier, a natural disaster.

      Put more downvotes, I will count the number of immoral ****s on this site. In principle, you can be counted by your nicknames specifically, because you wrote here and made all sorts of statements, but I’m too lazy to waste time on you immoral people, I hope the souls of the dead will haunt you until the end of your life, because you used their death for your own bad intentions.
      1. CC-18a
        +1
        12 July 2012 13: 45
        Why don’t you put minuses, shameful trolls? Be sure to find other messages and downvote them, but not here, I wonder what immoral and cowardly rodents you are.
    66. CC-18a
      +1
      11 July 2012 14: 21
      Bahrain human rights activist sentenced to prison over Twitter post

      http://www.warandpeace.ru/ru/news/view/70975/


      Eh... it would be the same for you! angry

    67. -2
      12 July 2012 01: 18
      In short, people who can, go to this link, there are real people who ask for clothes, canned goods, tents:

      http://forums.drom.ru/krasnodar/
      And also call !!!
      Kostya, a volunteer, he is now in Bakanka - 8 929 849 4966, 8 961 525 0050, 8 928 261 6839
      Tents, tent tents for N. Bakanka are urgently needed! 8 918 974 1354, 8 961 596 1013
      Victoria
      телефон: 8-961-85-41-403

      http://forums.drom.ru/krasnodar/

      MOE DOESN'T WORK !!!
      ELSE WHY PEOPLE ASK FOR BLANKETS, FOOD, CLOTHES ???? !!!!!
      Maybe this is also all the machinations of the “orange” in your opinion?????
    68. 0
      12 July 2012 12: 01
      Taking a break from Krymsk (but not from the topic), I want to ask a question: in Moscow, between Vernadsky Avenue and Ruzskaya Street, in the area of ​​​​the Church of the Archangel Michael, where there are green spaces, construction has begun. As I heard, such developments were not carried out in Soviet times, because radial avenues (including Vernadsky) were like a “ventilation pipe for Moscow.” Development of high-rise buildings reduces ventilation flows, clogs the city, enhances the greenhouse effect, and, as a result, worsens the environmental situation and living conditions of city residents. Construction in this elite area undoubtedly brings huge profits. And if in a few years (tens of years - it doesn’t matter) a catastrophic situation develops in Moscow, will “global warming”, etc. be to blame for this? If there are specialists, please comment.
    69. PARROT
      -1
      13 July 2012 11: 48
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzsoJ6xyBiI&feature=player_embedded вот тут они брали интервью и женщина рассказывает, что её муж помогал находить трупы и только в первый день было найдено 573 человека, это они нашли подставную женщину да? Выблядки.
      1. 0
        13 July 2012 11: 53
        did you follow the link yourself?
        I'm already fed up with my VK
        1. PARROT
          0
          13 July 2012 12: 00
          Especially for people like you, I put a different source of the link, I don’t know why, really, probably so that you at least watch the video, watch it completely and unsubscribe.
          1. +1
            13 July 2012 12: 17
            first of all, stop poking at this internet rudeness that is already irritating, then follow your link and see for yourself.
            sometimes it seems to me that your main task is to advertise “in contact”
            1. PARROT
              0
              13 July 2012 12: 21
              I hope someone besides you sees it, it’s better to read books, play chess, you can’t be so stupid.
              1. +1
                13 July 2012 12: 37
                I think I've read more books than you
    70. CC-18a
      -2
      13 July 2012 14: 40
      About Krymsk and trolls.

    "Right Sector" (banned in Russia), "Ukrainian Insurgent Army" (UPA) (banned in Russia), ISIS (banned in Russia), "Jabhat Fatah al-Sham" formerly "Jabhat al-Nusra" (banned in Russia) , Taliban (banned in Russia), Al-Qaeda (banned in Russia), Anti-Corruption Foundation (banned in Russia), Navalny Headquarters (banned in Russia), Facebook (banned in Russia), Instagram (banned in Russia), Meta (banned in Russia), Misanthropic Division (banned in Russia), Azov (banned in Russia), Muslim Brotherhood (banned in Russia), Aum Shinrikyo (banned in Russia), AUE (banned in Russia), UNA-UNSO (banned in Russia), Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People (banned in Russia), Legion “Freedom of Russia” (armed formation, recognized as terrorist in the Russian Federation and banned)

    “Non-profit organizations, unregistered public associations or individuals performing the functions of a foreign agent,” as well as media outlets performing the functions of a foreign agent: “Medusa”; "Voice of America"; "Realities"; "Present time"; "Radio Freedom"; Ponomarev; Savitskaya; Markelov; Kamalyagin; Apakhonchich; Makarevich; Dud; Gordon; Zhdanov; Medvedev; Fedorov; "Owl"; "Alliance of Doctors"; "RKK" "Levada Center"; "Memorial"; "Voice"; "Person and law"; "Rain"; "Mediazone"; "Deutsche Welle"; QMS "Caucasian Knot"; "Insider"; "New Newspaper"