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Kedmi and Solovyov argued whether the Donbass is "a shame for Russia"

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The situation in Ukraine, including the Donbass, has been actively discussed for over XNXX years, both at the international level and among the masses.


Kedmi and Solovyov argued whether the Donbass is "a shame for Russia"


The position of Russia in relation to the Donbass, where civilians are still dying, remains incomprehensible to many. Increasingly, individual media outlets express the opinion that Russia does not bear any responsibility for what is happening in Ukraine, and at any moment can calmly abandon the Donbass and its inhabitants.

Is this really so, the guests of the talk show “Evening with Vladimir Solovyov” are trying to figure it out.

One of the guests of the program, Israeli expert Yakov Kedmi, called the Donbass “a shame for Russia,” thereby making Moscow responsible for events in Ukraine. In his opinion, what Ukraine allowed was happening in Ukraine. And what is happening in an independent state today is what Russia admits. Yakov Kedmi is convinced that our country should make the first and main claims, first of all, to itself. Russia has assumed responsibility for the normal life of the inhabitants of Donbass, and has no right to retreat.

Do the host and other guests of the talk show agree with this position? What does an Israeli expert think about the future of Ukraine and its territories? How does he perceive Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky and his team? Answers in the program fragment:

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  1. Svarog
    Svarog 1 September 2019 10: 01
    +28
    In my opinion, Donbass is an indicator of Russia's weakness. It is not even possible to imagine such a development under the USSR. Like the fact that the person who spends most of his time in Italy has a residence permit in this country, he talks about patriotism. Well, if you are a patriot and warmly love, you are welcome to the Crimea or Sochi.
    1. Greg Miller
      Greg Miller 1 September 2019 10: 11
      +16
      In Ukraine, what Russia allows is happening.

      I completely agree with this ...
      1. Basil50
        Basil50 1 September 2019 10: 48
        -3
        Those. it is worth forgetting about * self-determination * and about the fact that more recently in Ukraine, they themselves and the whole of RUSSIA were told how they fed the entire SOVIET UNION? So what? Those. those who voted for * independent * sort of like nothing, they need to be led by the hand, and of course fed and defended.
        Something reminds the endless cry of the Jews about the pogroms. RUSSIA and RUSSIAN people are always to blame. That’s what RUSSIAN PEOPLE don’t remember during the pogroms. They don’t remember that the Jews, by their own rabbis, were put together in * organized criminal communities * with a very clear hierarchy and * specialization *. Since then, and still thieves have more than half consisted of Yiddish and Hebrew. Police reports of those times are very interesting.
        Today we are only talking about * age-old oppression * and so on. It is worth reading at least literature in order to understand where such fierce bitterness against the Jews came from. Many writers wrote about this, but this is most clearly seen in NV GOGOL. By the way, it is worth reading the Jewish authors to understand how ethnic specialized gangs were created from the Jews.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 1 September 2019 11: 45
          +13
          Quote: Vasily50
          It’s worth reading at least literature understand where such violent bitterness was born against the Jews.

          Furious ferocity? Perhaps - open hostility ... But, excuse me. Such Jews as Yakov Kedmi or Yevgeny Satanovsky are not at all the same as Kirienko, Chubais, Khinstein ... In any case, they are perceived by thinking people. And the "Russian" people who developed and adopted the pension law are hundreds of times more vile than any Jew who had nothing to do with it.
          As for the adoption of the DPR-LPR as part of Russia, Solovyov revealed all the cards that are so well known. It turns out that Russia needs a different economy. Uh ... And twenty years have been straining in which direction? What is being built if there is no peace for a Russian person on the original Russian land?
          I am in solidarity with those (from me "+") who believe that people who have a residence permit of another (not Russia) country or real estate in the form of a place of residence abroad have no right to dictate their thoughts to us like some kind of dogma.
          A person can be sincere either always or never.
          1. Astronaut
            Astronaut 1 September 2019 18: 58
            0
            like Kiriyenko, Chubais

            Funny, you consider Kiriyenko a Jew according to the Soviet principles of determining nationality, and Chubais - according to Israeli laughing
        2. demo
          demo 1 September 2019 13: 31
          +1
          To understand what you told us about.
          On the example of Bulgaria.
          And this opinion is not homegrown about Soviet economists, but a refined 100% of the Western representative.
          “Bulgaria made a uniquely fast and rich in its results breakthrough with the help of the USSR in a highly developed economy, in a socially secure society,” noted Vasily Leontyev, Nobel laureate.

          An outstanding Russian scientist, economic adviser to the UN and several US governments has visited this country more than once in the 60 – 70 years. “Comparing pre-war and post-war Bulgaria is like high mountains with the bottom of the oceans,” Leontiev stated. And in a figurative assessment was very close to economic statistics. The total Bulgarian GNP for the post-war 40 anniversary has grown more than 14 times, per capita - almost 30 times. Up to 80 percent of industrial capacity, more than a third of agricultural capacity, up to 90 percent of electric power, 70 percent of the total length of the transport network, 80 percent of port infrastructure, over 80 percent of the total area of ​​housing (by no means a slum), healthcare facilities, science, and culture were created from 1946 to 1986 year exclusively at the expense of material and technical and human resources of the USSR, provided free of charge. In terms of current prices and the exchange rate, more than 500 billion dollars are obtained. At least 70 percent of this amount was provided by the RSFSR.

          If we take into account compensation for goods delivered to the USSR (with the low cost of Bulgarian consumer goods in retail, Moscow paid Sofia for it at rates close to world prices) and dumping prices for Soviet exports to Bulgaria, the amount of investments will increase to 700 billion dollars at least.

          The mentioned achievements naturally increased the demand for socialism and the authority of the USSR. Therefore, the Bulgarian authorities from 1949 of the year more than once offered Moscow to include the country in the USSR in the status of a union republic. But the expected negative resonance in the Balkans, geopolitical consequences in the form of, first of all, aggravation of relations with Turkey saved the Soviet leadership from the temptation.

          Next yourself.
          https://vpk-news.ru/articles/52111?utm_source=finobzor.ru
        3. kutuz
          kutuz 8 October 2019 20: 27
          0
          "RUSSIAN LUDI perished during the pogroms" - how do you know that? Have you been present, have you seen passports, or have you told TV? Russians and Russian-speaking are different things, if you follow your logic in the composition of the Armed Forces of Ukraine 80% are Russians. speak Russian, and on TV they show you what you should see in order to write such nonsense later.
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 1 September 2019 10: 57
      -13
      without touching Solovyov, what does the existence of Italian citizenship affect the patriotism of a person as well as his location?
    3. knn54
      knn54 1 September 2019 11: 49
      +7
      It is also touching when two Jews, a citizen of Israel and a citizen of Italy, talk about Russia.
    4. g1v2
      g1v2 1 September 2019 12: 11
      +7
      Soloviev is a craftsman. This is a high level propagandist pro. For example, I remember how he spoke for a long time in a series of programs with Gordon and defended the pro-American position on them. Now he is acting as a patriot. Change the channel and change the role. request Kolomoisky recently said in an interview that several years ago Solovyov was preparing to leave for Israel due to problems in the Russian Federation and Kolomoisky tried to lure him into his channel, but then everything worked out for Solovyov in the Russian Federation and he became the main patriot of Russia. laughing Trusting him or setting yourself an idol is stupid. But at the same time, he is by far the best professional in the field of propaganda and political programs in our country. This is his job and he does it well. request
      1. Chit
        Chit 13 November 2019 00: 32
        -11
        I do not agree.
        If the broadcast format and its host begin to feel a little sick, it’s hard to talk about the professionalism of the host.
        It would be nice for Solovyov to recall that he lives in Russia, to cover her problems, and not to talk about Ukraine for days on end. This is the first.
        And secondly, seeing how some guests literally go out of their mouth during the debate, I want to offer them holy water.
        In the end, any adequate person would leave the studio and scream in the street. But not Soloviev’s. The more screaming, squealing and foam from the mouth, the higher the transfer ratings.
        1. g1v2
          g1v2 13 November 2019 02: 00
          +2
          If you watch this program, it means that he is doing everything right. If not, then it is not designed for you. request For example, I do not watch Solovyov for a simple reason. There is no information interesting to me. They say nothing new or interesting. But as entertainment for the layman, his broadcasts completely enter people. If they had not entered, they would have been changed. request
          As for the problems of the Russian Federation, then from grinding them on TV, they will not be solved. Information in our century is a weapon. What about the problems of Russia it is necessary to speak to its enemies. Just as we talk about their problems.
          About Ukraine it is worth talking for several reasons.
          Firstly, it is interesting to the masses and creates a lot of info noise and ratings. To many this comes in.
          Secondly, it is convenient for propaganda. maybe all our problems amid that. what there seems ridiculous.
          And thirdly, no one can rule out that we will have to fight with Ukraine. This means that propaganda must quickly and clearly explain why we will have to do this and with what villains we will fight. The layman must have a clear belief that our warriors of light are fighting against evil. The task is purely utilitarian - preparing the population for a possible war. request
  2. lucul
    lucul 1 September 2019 10: 03
    -10
    Quote: Svarog
    In my opinion, Donbass is an indicator of Russia's weakness. It is not even possible to imagine such a development under the USSR.

    This is a policy of soft response when using the power of the attacker against himself.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 1 September 2019 10: 10
      +15
      Quote: lucul
      This is a policy of soft response when using the power of the attacker against himself.

      What kind of a soft answer can be when Russian people are killed, children of old people .. Can you imagine that under the USSR someone would come up with something like that? Me not. In a day, the entire government of Ukraine would be awaiting trial .. And then, after all, our policy with Crimea influenced the choice of citizens in Donbass .. They saw decisive actions of Russia, followed us .. but decisive actions were abruptly cut off .. obviously after the call " parterres ". Well, we would have brought our troops there, and what would have happened?
      1. lucul
        lucul 1 September 2019 10: 15
        -9
        What may be a mild answer

        Well, what, what ....
        I would write to you, but there are too many people reading.
        Just too subtle and filigree game there ...
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 1 September 2019 10: 18
          +9
          Quote: lucul
          Just too subtle and filigree game there ...

          I believe that playing subtly filigree, it is necessary in Syria, Venezuela .. in general, not on our borders and not with Russian people.
          Can you answer the question, what would be the consequences if we had sent troops to the Donbass?
          1. lucul
            lucul 1 September 2019 10: 37
            -7
            Can you answer the question, what would be the consequences if we had sent troops to the Donbass?

            Are you seriously asking?
            I am surprised.
            Enter Russia troops, everything that west of the Dnieper would consider Russian occupiers, and hidden resistance would last for centuries ....
            And then they give the boiler to burn to the ground, with a transformation of consciousness, so that it comes to the most fanatical one that they do not need such a country.
            It's about 40 years Moses drove people through the desert to change their mentality ...
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 1 September 2019 10: 39
              +2
              Quote: lucul
              Enter Russia troops, everything that west of the Dnieper would consider Russian occupiers, and hidden resistance would last for centuries ....

              So west of the Dnieper and thinks and believed .. we do not need it to the west of the Dnieper ..
              And there wouldn’t be any resistance, if the Ukrainians felt positive changes ..
              1. lucul
                lucul 1 September 2019 10: 42
                -8
                we don’t need it west of the Dnieper.

                All the Slavs we need and are important .....
                Just the treatment will be very long ....
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 1 September 2019 10: 50
                  +1
                  Quote: lucul
                  All the Slavs we need and are important .....
                  Just the treatment will be very long ....

                  Those you are talking about, from the time of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, they can’t stand us .. because of this, how many of them can already be treated .. you need to let go.
            2. Stas157
              Stas157 1 September 2019 11: 00
              +5
              Quote: lucul
              Enter Russia troops, everything that west of the Dnieper would consider Russian occupiers, and hidden resistance would last for centuries ....

              This has happened more than once in the history of Walk the Fields. These territories passed from hand to hand. And the local population quickly adapts (sings songs in unison with the conqueror, moreover, in Russian, alternating with surzhik). Neither in the Crimea nor in Donetsk consider the Russian occupiers (and those who think are keeping quiet). Why do you think that in the original Russian cities, for example, in Odessa, Nikolaev or Mariupol it would be different?
              Quote: lucul
              And then they give the boiler to burn to the ground, with a transformation of consciousness, so that it comes to the most fanatical one that they do not need such a country.

              In reality, it happens exactly the opposite. Even more than all the troubles are blamed there is not the West, but Russia. Ukraine, and especially young people, is increasingly moving away from Russia. The cunning plan here clearly failed.
              1. lucul
                lucul 1 September 2019 11: 07
                -8
                The cunning plan here clearly failed.

                Nothing of the kind, a cunning plan and a cunning one, that not everyone can understand it)))
                Do you remember Alexander the Great?
                The Greeks were pitted against each other by the Persians for centuries, with the help of money. There is even a catch phrase “are you talking about, or is the gold of the Persians speaking in you?” And it would have been like that for a long time ... but Alexander solved the problem in a couple of years - he transferred the battlefield to the territory of the Persians and the Persians did not bother the Greeks anymore ... ...
                So Putin - he moved the battlefield to the West)))
                1. Stas157
                  Stas157 1 September 2019 11: 09
                  +12
                  Quote: lucul
                  So Putin - he moved the battlefield to the West)))

                  To Ukraine or what? I would say the opposite. This West has long been waging war on our ancestral territory. And the worst thing happened. The West was able to contrast the two halves of the once whole. The centuries-old dream of the West has come true! Such a geopolitical catastrophe has never happened since the time of the Tatar-Mongol Iga. Under what ruler did this failure happen, do not tell?
            3. 72jora72
              72jora72 1 September 2019 11: 48
              +4
              Enter Russia troops, all that west of the Dnieper would consider Russian occupiers, and hidden resistance would last for centuries ..
              I am sure that 90 percent of the population the next day would hang out the flags of Russia, and on all the walls would be portraits of Putin .........
              1. naidas
                naidas 1 September 2019 19: 24
                0
                Quote: 72jora72
                I’m sure that 90 percent of the population on the next day would hang out the flags of Russia, and on all the walls would be portraits of Putin

                And those who have already tied themselves with Europe?
                In 2017, 2,2 million Ukrainian citizens worked in Poland.
            4. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx 1 September 2019 12: 01
              +5
              Quote: lucul
              It's about 40 years Moses drove people through the desert to change their mentality ...

              You about Thomas, you about Yeryoma. Your fabulous Moses did not lead people in the Crimean desert for 40 years - 17 days were enough. The time has come - she ... Why should hope stretch for 40 years?
              In order to change the mentality, it was necessary to completely sever economic ties with Ukraine. And not to keep there "daughters", "granddaughters" and "vnuvnuprachek" from banking and industrial structures. All!!! stop Cut off - died so died. The doctor said to the morgue ...
              And the Russian authorities are giving hope to the Ukrainian that some kind of compromise is possible.
              Yes, the mere fact that some Ukrainian talkers on Russian TV channels broadcast all sorts of abominations, are talking nonsense speaks for itself - someone really does not want to cut the Gordian knot. Does the version of a wet leather strap tightened around the neck look more respectable? belay
            5. 210ox
              210ox 1 September 2019 16: 22
              +3
              Do you think that "the boiler will burn out"? And I am sure that countries with an even worse situation live for decades, centuries. This should not be expected, that they will understand, change their minds. On the contrary, there is an incentive to make a leap forward, to raise the country. Show example. And I think that the Westerners will help them in this. Since we did not destroy this knot in 14, then we need to make sure that in our country the standard of living, labor productivity and economic growth are no less than 5%. This will be for them the worst dream ...
            6. Egor-dis
              Egor-dis 2 October 2019 13: 33
              0
              Quote: lucul
              Enter Russia troops, all that west of the Dnieper would consider Russian occupiers
              Yes, they think so.
              Quote: lucul
              and hidden resistance would last for centuries ....
              ... It's about 40 years Moses drove people through the desert to change their mentality ...
              The Austro-Hungarian empire, at one time, creating a center of Ukrainian nationalism in Galicia, managed in a few years, stupidly multiplying all Russophiles by zero. Now the same thing is happening all over Ukraine. You are not 40 years old. Even 10 years may not be. Ukraine is a cancerous tumor devouring the remains of the Russian world on its territory. And cancer is not treated with vitamins.
              Quote: lucul
              And then they give the boiler to burn to the ground, with a transformation of consciousness, so that it comes to the most fanatical one that they do not need such a country.
              In mentally ill people, of which they are nationally stubborn, transformations of consciousness cannot be in principle. No matter how badly they live, even on their deathbed they will be absolutely convinced that Russia is to blame for all their troubles.
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            1. Svarog
              Svarog 1 September 2019 12: 11
              +5
              Quote: Dietmar
              And if hostilities begin, if Russian troops begin to die?

              And if tomorrow is war .. why should we be afraid of it, but the west is not?
              Quote: Dietmar
              If the alleged "isolation" of Russia today becomes real?

              That's when the Crimea returned home .. I was overwhelmed with patriotic feelings and not only because of the Crimea and the brilliantly conducted operation .. I thought that the authorities would seriously revise their domestic politics .. Because, as I understood, this would follow .. But the authorities This did not, unfortunately .. And on account of isolation, we are self-sufficient and the period of Stalin’s reign confirms this fact. There would be a will and desire.
        2. Stas157
          Stas157 1 September 2019 10: 43
          +5
          Quote: lucul
          Well, what, what ....
          I would write to you, but there are too many people reading.
          Just too subtle and filigree game there ...

          Understand. We do not claim your secrets. Well, then you told Putin about how to act or will you take the secret with you to the grave? hi
          1. lucul
            lucul 1 September 2019 10: 45
            -6
            Well, you told Putin about how to act

            It’s not for me to teach my father how to make children ....
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 1 September 2019 10: 51
              0
              Quote: lucul
              Well, you told Putin about how to act

              It’s not for me to teach my father how to make children ....

              Does he have illegitimate children? I thought he only had girls .. laughing
        3. 113262a
          113262a 1 September 2019 14: 09
          +2
          Not understanding its subtleties, people die without waiting for the endgame, and often, not by their death. And the very impatient nifig are not gamers, they abandon their homes and leave. Yes, unpatriotic families leave. But I especially invite the patriots, the seats have been freed-up for everything of their own, and to us for permanent residence-in Slavyanoserbsk, Stakhanov, Pervomaisk. Yes, even in the rear-Krasnodon, Molodogvardeisk, Sverdlovsk. Hut empty-rampart, the keys to the neighbors!
      2. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 1 September 2019 10: 58
        -1
        and under the USSR we were different states?))) such a normal comparison)))
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 1 September 2019 10: 24
      +5
      Quote: lucul
      This is a soft response policy when using the power of the attacker against himself

      Is it possible to imagine a mild answer for Moscow in 41? Not everywhere you need to let the situation drift, somewhere you need to show your teeth and fangs. A soft answer, playing on contradictions, asymmetric answers, braking, intrigues and cunning plans are all that the weak can afford. Direct rebuff requires strength.
      Yakov Kedmi, called Donbass "a shame for Russia"

      And so it is. Although there are those who call it a victory. But it is unlikely that the Donetsk residents themselves consider themselves winners when the shameful Minsk treaty (conspiracy) prevails over everyone, Donetsk is subjected to regular shelling, and soldiers are killed on the contact line.
    3. Greg Miller
      Greg Miller 1 September 2019 12: 01
      +2
      Quote: lucul
      Quote: Svarog
      In my opinion, Donbass is an indicator of Russia's weakness. It is not even possible to imagine such a development under the USSR.

      This is a policy of soft response when using the power of the attacker against himself.

      Well, I do not! This is a policy of cowardice and betrayal! Recall how it was ...
      In March 2014, Putin declared: Ukrainian junta, Russian Spring, Novorossia, we will not allow firing on compatriots ...

      And then Burkhalter came to Putin ....
      After this meeting, everything changed: our dear Ukrainian partners, Poroshenko is the legitimate president, Ukraine is united, there is no need for referendums at all, but trains with weapons, credit lines, discounts on gas, trains with coal, oil, gasoline, and all other fuel went to Ukraine , TVELs, electricity and in general whatever they say. The people of Donbass suddenly became out of place: at a press conference, Putin said that he had "withdrawn the troops", that "the election of a new president of Ukraine is a step in the right direction" and it is necessary "to postpone the referendum in Donbass." We look carefully. On the screen is a man who recently acquired the grandiose, unprecedented support of the people for the annexation of Crimea, for the Russian Spring, which was later cowardly renamed by officials as Crimean ...
      What scared some Burkhalter of "the most influential politician on Earth"?

      1. Stas157
        Stas157 1 September 2019 13: 12
        +3
        Quote: Greg Miller
        What scared some Burkhalter of "the most influential politician on Earth"?

        Thank you for the video. The spirit of comments on YouTube is like this:
        look, like a warrant officer after dragging out a major)
  3. Whisper
    Whisper 1 September 2019 10: 14
    -1
    Donbass is a consequence of our failure in Ukraine, as well as Crimea in other things. There is nothing special to boast about here.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 1 September 2019 10: 19
      +4
      Quote: Sheptun
      like the Crimea in other

      Why do you consider Crimea a failure? Crimea, in my opinion, is a brilliant operation.
      1. Whisper
        Whisper 1 September 2019 10: 21
        -5
        Yes, the operation is brilliant! But it might not have been. And there could be an expansion of cooperation on the Black Sea Fleet, without a deal, without sanctions. That would be soft power. And so this is patching holes.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 1 September 2019 10: 27
          +4
          Quote: Sheptun
          Yes, the operation is brilliant! But it might not have been. And there could be an expansion of cooperation on the Black Sea Fleet, without a deal, without sanctions. That would be soft power. And so this is patching holes.

          There might not have been a collapse of the USSR .. but if nevertheless the collapse was allowed, then it was necessary to integrate the Ukrainian elite .. they didn’t, either, because the United States ruled what they had with us. In general, history does not know the subjunctive moods .. and in the current realities, Crimea is a brilliant operation, but without continuing, unfortunately, saying A, it was necessary to say B.
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 1 September 2019 12: 02
            0
            Quote: Svarog
            Crimea is a brilliant operation, but without continuing, unfortunately, saying A, it was necessary to say B.

            good This is what they were waiting for ...
        2. sabakina
          sabakina 1 September 2019 10: 28
          +6
          Quote: Sheptun
          But it might not have been. And there could be an expansion of cooperation on the Black Sea Fleet, without a deal, without sanctions.
          said a naive Chukchi youth ...
          1. Whisper
            Whisper 1 September 2019 10: 46
            +6
            Well, then you are an experienced woman, you know everything!
        3. naidas
          naidas 1 September 2019 19: 36
          0
          Quote: Sheptun
          But there could be an expansion of cooperation on the Black Sea Fleet, without a deal, without sanctions

          termination of the agreement on the Black Sea Fleet and the US base in Sevastopol, without kipis and sanctions.
      2. Dietmar
        Dietmar 1 September 2019 12: 10
        -1
        Quote: Svarog
        Quote: Sheptun
        like the Crimea in other

        Why do you consider Crimea a failure? Crimea, in my opinion, is a brilliant operation.


        "Whisperer" because ...
    2. Victorio
      Victorio 1 September 2019 10: 39
      -1
      Quote: Sheptun
      Donbass is a consequence of our failure in Ukraine, as well as Crimea in other things. There is nothing special to boast about here.

      ==
      tactically, nevertheless, 1: 1, strategically 1: 2 in favor of the West so far.
    3. Whisper
      Whisper 1 September 2019 16: 52
      +1
      Do you remember Zurabov? He was once the Minister of Health, failed everything with us and was sent to Ukraine as an ambassador ... Then the events you knew went, and you minus
      ..
      1. nesvobodnaja
        nesvobodnaja 2 September 2019 17: 18
        0
        Oh, yes ... "They know how" we select leading political personnel for Ukraine.
    4. naidas
      naidas 1 September 2019 19: 33
      -1
      Quote: Sheptun
      Donbass is a consequence of our failure in Ukraine, like Crimea in other

      And the end of the Chechen is also a failure?
  4. Whisper
    Whisper 1 September 2019 10: 19
    +3
    Here is the next problem ready:
    The Belarusian authorities promptly prepared a package of proposals for Bolton and Trump.

    In Warsaw, Bolton held a separate meeting with the head of the Security Council of Belarus Stanislav Zasem and his colleagues from Kiev and Warsaw.

    Belarus has handed over to the United States a package of proposals on how to counter Russian and Chinese threats in Europe.
    At the meeting, Bolton noted that the US President praised the Belarusian initiatives, and the American leader called Lukashenko “an able guy.”

    In a couple of months, it was the Belarusian Zas who will head the CSTO. Acquaintance with Bolton is part of the scheme of incorporating “Western guys” into Russian integration institutions.

    Stanislav Zas is a Russophobe and a supporter of radical Belarusianization.

    In 2016, Zas prepared a justification for the arrests of supporters of an alliance with Russia, and this year he arrested a friend of Russia, former security chief Lukashenko Vtyurin.

    For several years, Zasy’s people have been closely monitoring all the employees of the Russian embassy in Minsk.

    It was Zas in conjunction with Western agent Makei who sought to expel Babich from Belarus.

    Also in Warsaw, Bolton met with Deputy Foreign Minister Oleg Kravchenko, who is in charge of the United States.

    At meetings in Washington, Kravchenko did not hide the fact that Belarus and Russia were not on the way. 
    1. Whisper
      Whisper 1 September 2019 10: 24
      0
      It seems that Balaam did not work.
    2. VeteranVSSSR
      VeteranVSSSR 1 September 2019 11: 01
      0
      Trump-pa-pa !!!, trump-pa-pa !!! Yes, the Whisperer, well, you launched the whisperer ...
    3. Stas157
      Stas157 1 September 2019 11: 35
      0
      Quote: Sheptun
      In Warsaw, Bolton held a separate meeting with the head of the Security Council of Belarus Stanislav Zasem and his colleagues from Kiev and Warsaw.

      Ukraine was torn off, now the whole focus is on Belarus. If the West and Belarus are torn off from Russia (which may very well be under the current Kremlin policy), it will be very bad. The best thing is the inclusion of Belarus in the Russian Federation. But, that oligarchic order and lawlessness is not very suitable for Belarus, which Lukashenko has repeatedly said.
      1. Greg Miller
        Greg Miller 1 September 2019 12: 06
        -4
        While Old Man is alive, Belarus will not be torn from Russia ...
      2. Whisper
        Whisper 1 September 2019 16: 54
        0
        I really would not like to lose Belarus ... then Kaliningrad ... this is a whole chain.
    4. naidas
      naidas 1 September 2019 19: 39
      +1
      Quote: Sheptun
      that Belarus and Russia are not on the way.

      And who is on the way with Russia, where Russia is going or nobody wants to, or they can go there without Russia. What Russia can offer is content, and the West is richer in this regard.
  5. Evil echo
    Evil echo 1 September 2019 10: 22
    -2
    Which are all bloodthirsty. Wanted to fight? The war in the Donbass was conceived to drag Russia into the war on its borders, so that it would no longer climb. The events in Odessa in May are of the same order.
    About a year and a half ago I watched Soloviev’s program and then there was a negative feeling from Kedmi’s speeches. It seems that he is saying everything correctly, but the idea that Russia needs to be fully connected to the war in the Donbass passes through a red thread.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 1 September 2019 10: 46
      +14
      Kedmi’s red line is the idea that hell shouldn’t be shy, we must behave more decisively, like the same Israel or the USA, and if necessary, use military force to defend our interests. You will never be good to everyone, this is the law of life. And those who make such decisions are afraid that their foreign assets may suffer from this, and this is the main reason for our indecision.
      1. lucul
        lucul 1 September 2019 10: 58
        -9
        Kedmi’s red line is the idea that hell shouldn’t be shy, we must behave more decisively, like the same Israel or the USA, and if necessary, use military force to defend our interests.

        This is not true. The policy that Putin laid down 5 years ago is beginning to bear fruit.
        And the most far-sighted, like Kolomoisky and Kedmi, already see this.
        The people themselves simply do not need Ukraine. The boiler starts to burn out. And we will still hear many calls for decisive action in order to somehow save the sinking project ...
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 1 September 2019 11: 04
          +4
          This is what people do not need Ukraine, who do you mean? Natsik-Bandera or vice versa supporters of integration with Russia? After all, there is no single people, and under appropriate conditions there such a massacre will begin, mother do not grieve.
      2. Svarog
        Svarog 1 September 2019 11: 03
        +3
        Quote: Ros 56
        Kedmi’s red line is the idea that hell shouldn’t be shy, we must behave more decisively, like the same Israel or the USA, and if necessary, use military force to defend our interests.

        Here Kedmi speaks very correctly.
      3. Oleg Bagaev
        Oleg Bagaev 1 September 2019 12: 11
        +2
        Quote: Ros 56
        Kedmi’s red line is the idea that hell shouldn’t be shy, we must behave more decisively, like the same Israel or the USA, and if necessary, use military force to defend our interests. You will never be good to everyone, this is the law of life. And those who make such decisions are afraid that their foreign assets may suffer from this, and this is the main reason for our indecision.

        Speak the truth, the truth!
      4. Evil echo
        Evil echo 1 September 2019 15: 10
        -2
        If we consider the blood voditsa, then yes, then shy then shy. The United States has crushed all countries with more or less established economies and dictates its conditions to them. Russia is not the USSR, it does not have so many friendly and dependent countries that would get involved in warfare.
      5. Whisper
        Whisper 1 September 2019 16: 55
        -1
        I agree completely ... hi
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 1 September 2019 17: 05
      +3
      Quote: Evil Echo
      Which are all bloodthirsty. Wanted to fight? The war in the Donbass and started to draw Russia into the war

      Why are you not indignant at the fact that Putin is fighting in Syria? I noticed that those who are delighted with Putin’s war in Syria completely exclude a similar option in the Donbass. For you, that the distant Syrians are more expensive than the Russians, who are killed right here by the side?
      1. Evil echo
        Evil echo 1 September 2019 20: 53
        -1
        For me, not far Syrians are important, but the fact that there are no barmales near us. Better in Syria than in Takzhikestan or there in Uzbekistan to fight on the ground.
        The farther, the more convinced of the inadequacy of some comrades.
        I noticed that those who are delighted with Putin’s war in Syria completely exclude a similar option in the Donbass.
        In Syria, one might say, technology is fighting.
        You can’t wait to play live soldiers? To the delight of Europe, splashing blood on the roof?
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 2 September 2019 08: 05
          0
          And what, besides Syria, is technology fighting nowhere else?
          1. Evil echo
            Evil echo 2 September 2019 10: 53
            0
            Whose technique? Or are you talking about the "horse Buryats" in the Donbass?
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 2 September 2019 13: 45
              0
              Quote: Evil Echo
              Whose technique? Or are you talking about the "horse Buryats" in the Donbass?

              This one:
              Quote: Evil Echo
              In Syria, one might say, technology is fighting.

              Did you write The question was to you: Is she fighting only in Syria, cannot be elsewhere?
              1. Evil echo
                Evil echo 2 September 2019 15: 45
                0
                Maybe in other places, if necessary, to protect the interests of Russia. This will determine the supreme and general staff.
                And about the phrase: "In Syria, one might say, technology is at war." I meant that the ground operation is being carried out without the participation of Russian ground forces.
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    4. Egor-dis
      Egor-dis 2 October 2019 14: 00
      0
      Quote: Evil Echo
      The war in the Donbass was conceived to drag Russia into the war on its borders so that it would no longer go anywhere. The events in Odessa in May are of the same order.

      Fairy tales for visitors. What the fuck is a war? Who will lead it? Ukraine? What, in response to the alleged aggression of Russia, will form a shock fist and forward to Moscow? Or should Russia send troops to Ukraine? Why actually? Any war is decided (and ends) with the surrender (or destruction) of the government of one of the parties. So it was with Hitler, Mussolini, Hussein, Milosevic, Gaddafi, Dudayev. The leader was slammed - the war was over. And in this respect the technical support of the Russian army is more than sufficient. Because the same "Caliber" can be launched on the presidential administration of Ukraine without crossing the state border. It will not be enough - add on the Verkhovnony Rada, SBU and the Ministry of Defense. And that's all. The war ended before it began. The next president of Ukraine will sharply become Russia's best friend, and all the Banderlog will abruptly crawl into the caches and will sit there until they die of old age. And, most importantly, the entire population of Ukraine would only be grateful. Because the people of Ukraine have no greater enemies than the national elites who have settled in Kiev.
      This is how defending their geopolitical interests in the adjacent territories should look like.
  6. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 1 September 2019 10: 26
    +2
    Quote: Svarog
    And then, because our policy with the Crimea, influenced the choice of citizens in the Donbass ..

    Not certainly in that way. Do you remember what a sharp change in the topic of voting was in the Crimea? At first, they also had a question only about separation from Ukraine. But then they brought up the question of joining Russia. And this is completely different.
    In the Donbass, there was only a vote on separation from Ukraine. Russia recognized the results of the vote. So, what is next? Crimea was annexed ... and Donbass - well, it separated from Ukraine and well done. Nothing more to do. Only help.
  7. Mestny
    Mestny 1 September 2019 11: 40
    +1
    Quote: Svarog
    What could be a mild answer when Russian people are killed, children of the elderly .. Can you imagine what would happen to anyone like that in the USSR?

    Easily.
    It was in the USSR shortly before its end in the so-called republics began to kill the elderly, children. And what’s characteristic is precisely the Russians
  8. Dietmar
    Dietmar 1 September 2019 12: 08
    0
    Quote: Svarog
    Quote: lucul
    This is a policy of soft response when using the power of the attacker against himself.

    What kind of a soft answer can be when Russian people are killed, children of old people .. Can you imagine that under the USSR someone would come up with something like that? Me not. In a day, the entire government of Ukraine would be awaiting trial .. And then, after all, our policy with Crimea influenced the choice of citizens in Donbass .. They saw decisive actions of Russia, followed us .. but decisive actions were abruptly cut off .. obviously after the call " parterres ". Well, we would have brought our troops there, and what would have happened?


    You think so from your couch! And if hostilities begin, if Russian servicemen begin to die? If the alleged "isolation" of Russia today becomes real? What will you then write in your bravura posts? Where will your pathos go?
  9. Oleg Bagaev
    Oleg Bagaev 1 September 2019 12: 09
    +3
    Kedmi is right a thousand times, with such a toothless policy, soon, in my opinion, the pro-Russian Donbas people will remain with a gulkin nose.
  10. 113262a
    113262a 1 September 2019 14: 02
    +4
    Cedmi is right. Fifth year in limbo. There are fewer of us here. Who died, whom they killed, many left. I remember that same year Solovyov Gryzlov in 15 promised to create a showcase by developing the economy of LDNR, looking at which dill would be envious and come to its senses. AND NIFIGA! Yes, money is invested, and considerable, but there is no supervision over their spending! The authorities of the Russian Federation, is it not interesting? The efficiency of such injections is close to the locomotive. Yes, there is no democracy in the republics, but it should be so — war is war! This is clear! But one-man management is somehow leaky! Yes, the watchers should already cry Kolyma! There is no clarity! When three times a day two diametrically opposite scenarios are drowned out of a box — one-BEC TU UKRAINE, in Minsk, the second — WE ALREADY ALMOST ALMOST RUSSIA! And Solovyov back in 16, following Mikhalkov, Russia had promised nothing, Russia would not come. Then, there was a breakthrough in his unprecedented patriotism and unity with the people of LDNR, now, it seems, the scenario is changing. It and the Evening with him — a whole summer — once a week, or even on Sundays, are missed;
  11. Slon379
    Slon379 1 September 2019 15: 20
    -3
    Can give to overtake an independent. Then they will be greeted as liberators, not occupiers. Optimum path selected.
  12. Sergey Freeman_61
    Sergey Freeman_61 1 September 2019 17: 54
    +1
    Donbass, this is a disgrace to Russia, and the political bankruptcy of the Putin regime.
  13. Radikal
    Radikal 1 September 2019 22: 47
    0
    Quote: g1v2
    Soloviev is a craftsman. This is a high level propagandist pro. For example, I remember how he spoke for a long time in a series of programs with Gordon and defended the pro-American position on them. Now he is acting as a patriot. Change the channel and change the role. request Kolomoisky recently said in an interview that several years ago Solovyov was preparing to leave for Israel due to problems in the Russian Federation and Kolomoisky tried to lure him into his channel, but then everything worked out for Solovyov in the Russian Federation and he became the main patriot of Russia. laughing Trusting him or setting yourself an idol is stupid. But at the same time, he is by far the best professional in the field of propaganda and political programs in our country. This is his job and he does it well. request

    I agree with you hi , and to develop your commentary, I suggest that VO editorial staff discuss a topic with approximately the same title - "How much is patriotism in the Russian Federation, or what needs to be done to make it well paid." lol
    1. Evil echo
      Evil echo 2 September 2019 11: 01
      +1
      “Patriotism does not mean only one love for one’s homeland. This is much more ... This is a consciousness of one's inseparability from the Motherland and an inalienable experience with her of her happy and her unhappy days ”(A. N. Tolstoy (1882-1945),

      Better hard to say.
      1. Antares
        Antares 21 September 2019 21: 55
        0
        "Patriotism is the last refuge of a villain" - an aphorism uttered by Dr. Samuel Johnson at the Literary Club on April 7, 1775
        Saltykov-Shchedrin's phrase sounds like this: “When people start talking about patriotism in Russia, know that something has been stolen somewhere.
        The use of natural programs sewn into our biological body (namely, imprinting, protection of its area ..) is a common practice of the state to implement its interests. And since now the interests of the state are the interests of corporations, then "patriotism" has become simply free protection of the interests of corporations.
  14. Oleg133
    Oleg133 2 September 2019 14: 08
    0
    There is such a good rule among the Jews and it is worth learning it. "There are no prophets not of their own people."
  15. Chestnut1
    Chestnut1 4 September 2019 22: 40
    0
    Where the bastard stepped - there is death, poverty and devastation, everyone already understood this. At the expense of the Donbass and Crimea-only words can not do. These will be international courts, economic claims, economic consequences for the Russian Federation, evidence and evidence - more than enough. Everything is not very good for the Russian Federation, despite attempts by propagandons to pretend that everything is normal and correct.
  16. iouris
    iouris 5 September 2019 12: 12
    0
    Kedmi takes viewers to the table, providing a much more realistic diagram of the alignment of forces and interpretation of events. This is necessary in order to make sure that viewers are no longer able to perceive it. But TV viewers think that they "understand everything."