The gun "Boa" under the cartridge 9X19 "Parabellum" interested the security forces

The Russian law enforcement agencies expressed interest in the latest Boa constrictor pistol, but in a different caliber. According to TASS, citing a statement by pistol designer Ivan Kozlov, security officers were interested in a pistol under the Parabellum 9X19 cartridge.

Russian security officials expressed interest in the latest Boa constrictor pistol chambered for the Parabellum 9X19 cartridge after this pistol was presented at the Army-2019 forum in June this year. As stated in TsNIITochmash, the version of the gun chambered for 9X19 mm is no different from the "army" version for the cartridge 9X21 mm. Only the caliber turned out to be smaller, all other characteristics, including high strength weaponsremained similar.

There is a consumer on the Boa constrictor with the 9X19 mm cartridge - law enforcement agencies interested in continuing this work

- said the designer, adding that on the “Army-2019” pistol caliber 9 × 19 mm was presented in two versions: tactical and sport.

Earlier it was reported that the "Boa" pistol of the caliber 9X21 mm began to enter the Russian armed forces to replace the Makarov pistol in service. The "boa constrictor" passed successfully state tests and is in the army for experimental military operation.

The "Boa" pistol was created at TsNIItochmash. The length of the "Boa" is 206 mm, the height is 145 mm, the width is 36 mm. The gun is characterized by a relatively small mass, which in unloaded form is 780 g, and in loaded form - 980 g. The store holds 18 cartridges. Picatinny rails are integrated on the pistol; they allow you to install laser target designators and tactical lights on the weapon.

Comments

[Reserve buildbat]

I hope that the gun is not under the 9x19 Parabellum, but under our cartridge of the same dimension. Just our 7H21 in terms of performance somewhere between 9x19 Para + and 9x19 Para ++

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Stroibat stock

I hope that the gun is not under the 9x19 Parabellum, but under our cartridge of the same dimension. Just our 7H21 in terms of performance somewhere between 9x19 Para + and 9x19 Para ++

Yes, these same journalists! As you can. The caliber is the same. The cartridge is different. It is clear that a pistol chambered for 9x21 should "digest" and reinforced cartridges under 9x19

[Sancho_SP]

Absolutely shouldn't. 19 and 21 are the lengths of the sleeve. The shape of those sleeves may well be different and exclude interchangeability.

[self-propelled]

exactly what they should not, for the actual caliber of the Russian 9x21 9.27mm (made on the basis of the cartridge 9x18 PM)

9X19 para 9.03mm

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

a pistol chambered for 9x21 should "digest" and reinforced cartridges under 9x19

shouldn't. The length of the cartridges is different. The cartridge may (or rather, simply must) simply not fit into the chamber. A pistol is not a revolver to "eat" cartridges with different sleeve lengths. It is in the revolver drum that you can equip cartridges with different sleeve lengths, of the same caliber. Such a trick will not work with a pistol.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Gregory_45

shouldn't. The length of the cartridges is different. The cartridge may (or rather, simply must) simply not fit into the chamber. A pistol is not a revolver to "eat" cartridges with different sleeve lengths. It is in the revolver drum that you can equip cartridges with different sleeve lengths, of the same caliber. Such a trick will not work with a pistol.

The word digest means that the pistol mechanism will cope with the power of the reinforced Parabelum cartridge. And the fact that you need to change the barrel, and the barrel has another chamber - this is already obvious ...

[Azazelo]

That would tell what unique accuracy is. The cartridge is standard, barrel length is usual. Why all of a sudden it will be more hefty, say PY, or Swift or other pistols.

[seregatara1969]

barrel length 30 mm longer than pm and magazine capacity 18

[marshes]

I wonder what security officials?
9x19 is the most common cartridge in the world, but for some reason they chose 9x21 for the army, although it should be on the turnover.

[Nycomed]

I agree, God forbid there will be a "mess", such cartridges will be easy to find among the trophies.

[marshes]

They are even in China and Pakistan .... And so on.

[Izotovp]

Among the trophies, then, not only ammunition, but also weapons for them will be found.

[marshes]

Quote: Izotovp

Among the trophies, then, not only ammunition, but also weapons for them will be found.

It’s just that it’s not necessary to consider it as trophies, just if there is a need to procure on the side.

[KVU-NSVD]

Pistol cartridges are, to put it mildly, not the most valuable trophy. And to choose a cartridge for a gun for the army based on the ability to use possible trophy b / supplies - this is clearly not the most important criterion. So, I think the choice is right - a more powerful cartridge - this is a prospect in the light of the constant growth of bullet resistance of individual av-in protection.

[donavi49]

And a lot of pistols in the army shoot? And he will be much better than 9x19, even against a broadhead with AK? An army pistol is now a very controversial thing and is generally used more as a weapon of self-defense in an emergency or to not surrender.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: donavi49

An army pistol is now a very controversial thing and is generally more used as a weapon of self-defense in an emergency

as one friend of mine says, a gun is needed in order to:
1. get a gun
2. or shoot yourself.

[KVU-NSVD]

Yes, I’m actually talking about the same thing - pistol cartridges in peaceful training are spent in larger quantities than in war. But about the withering away of his need, he would refrain ...

[vladcub]

Donavi, I agree with you: now AK army officers are the main weapon, and as an auxiliary, I would choose the Glock-compact under the luger cartridge.
In Europe, these are now the most famous weapons, which means there will be no problems with cartridges.
For the CIS, instead of Glock, as a second weapon, PM.

[marshes]

Quote: vladcub

For the CIS, instead of Glock, as a second weapon, PM.

Looking at someone like with money, some Chezets are using, others are Glock 19, who is ZigZauer, I’ll immediately make a reservation, It’s easier to buy Swiss, Austrian and Czech weapons and then through third countries, because the regimes are not democratic. The Germans will get a direct howl right away.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

a more powerful cartridge is a prospect in the light of the constant increase in bullet resistance of individual av-in protection

and a lot of army men shoot pistols? And to provide ammunition (scarce, if about 9x21 speech) will have to.
For the police and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the cartridge is redundant. Do we have a lot of criminals and terrorists running in bronics? And if there is a CTO, then they will trample with pistols?
I consider it most optimal to dwell on the 9x19 cartridge. Which is now one of the best (if not the best) in terms of qualities.

[KVU-NSVD]

Quote: Gregory_45

and a lot of army men shoot pistols?

Rarely . But I once saved my life PM and since then I treat the pistols with reverence

[Victor_B]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

And to choose a cartridge for a gun for the army based on the ability to use possible trophy b / supplies - this is clearly not the most important criterion.

Based on studies, comparative tests of various structural designs and after the Soviet military experts examined 81-mm Stokes-Brandt mortars captured during the military operations on the CER in 1929, it was decided to create an 82-mm mortar.

The choice of a non-standard caliber was explained by Dorovlev that mines of 81-mm mortars of foreign armies could be used when firing from Soviet mortars, while 82-mm domestic artillery mines were not suitable for firing from mortars of foreign armies.

[KVU-NSVD]

Do you feel the difference in the value of trophies between mortar mines and pistol cartridges? Very good teachers talked about the choice of mortar calibers in the course.

[ssergey1978]

The Russian army traditionally adopts cartridges that are no longer used by anyone.

[E.S.]

Quote: marshes

I wonder what security officials?
9x19 is the most common cartridge in the world, but for some reason they chose 9x21 for the army, although it should be on the turnover.

It is not at all difficult to see who our "siloviki" are, Yandex knows everything.
And "vice versa" nothing should be, tk. the army shoots at the enemy army, which is in helmets and body armor, and the police at the criminal without a helmet, but who is in a place full of random people.

[Jack O'Neill]

For ordinary cops, the 45 ACP is best suited due to its high stopping power.
MTR we love Glocky very much under 9x19. Yes, and the FSB also loves the Australian.

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

Correct a little, Austrian.

[Jack O'Neill]

Correct a little, Austrian.

Yes that's right. Thanks!

[brr1]

Quote: Ravil_Asnafovich

Correct a little, Austrian.

Yes, there’s not a bit, here it was necessary to specifically correct

[Strashila]

maybe an austrian?

[vladcub]

Actually, Gaston Gora is an Austrian, but what to use in Australia is a must see

[Chilean Abalon]

The Australian police Glocky, I don’t know about the army.

[marshes]

Quote: Jack O'Neill

For ordinary police officers, 45 ACP is best suited due to its high stopping power. MTR we very Gloki loves under 9x19. Yes, and the FSB also loves the Australian.

Jack o Neal if that one? I want to correct you, forget about Glock in Trnde Zig Sauer. And then Glock-19 was used earlier, just the dimensions were under the PM.

[Jack O'Neill]

Jack o Neal if that one? laughing I want to correct you, forget about Glock in Trnd Zig Sauer.

Not only SIG, but also CZ.

[Strashila]

Another wave of Wishlist, but it's not clear why the goat has a button accordion. What changes in the service, the disclosure rate will increase or the performance of official duties will become better. Like on the employees hang a sign "Be afraid of crime, I'm armed with a" Boa ". If you don't know how to shoot from Makarov, then don't let you, the same effect, only more expensive. cried.

[cokol-xnumx]

Makarov pistol - 8 rounds magazine, boa gun - 18 rounds magazine, I consider the advantages in the number of rounds more than 2 times a weighty argument for replacement if the reliability is not inferior to pm

[Tank hard]

Quote: cokol-161

store 18 rounds, I consider the advantages in the number of rounds more than 2 times a weighty argument for replacing

They say that there is a saying about the number of rounds of shooters: - "Six is ​​not enough, sixty is not enough."
In general, on the topic of the pistol, the button accordion has already been broken.

[Cat man null]

Quote: Tank Hard

Not enough for six, not enough for sixty

Ummm ... in my time it sounded like this - "a pistol against a platoon does not work"

Tank, glad to see you alive))

[Tank hard]

Quote: Cat Man Null

Tank, glad to see you alive))

Mutually! At times - "Inhabited Island"

[Cat man null]

Quote: Tank Hard

The inhabited island

Classics

[Piramidon]

Quote: Tank Hard

They say that there is such a saying about the number of rounds

I heard that there are very few cartridges, few, and few, but no longer carry.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Piramidon

I heard that cartridges it happens very little, little, and little, but no longer carry away.

They, like money, are always scarce, but in the absence of the ability to shoot, the amount does not always help, as well as fever - painkillers ...

[Protos]

PM - a great gun!
Hidden behind a belt, in a pocket, in an axillary and waist holster!
Lightweight, does not cling to clothes!
And if you didn’t have enough 8 rounds and a spare magazine, but nothing will save you

[Yegorchik]

Frankly ugly machine, how could he get around the submarine? The submarine even has a highlight, but it’s some kind of miscarriage.

[infantryman2020]

If you evaluate the design, then this one, in comparison with the submarine, is like a piece of brick. The submarine looks like a blaster.
And the key performance characteristics are about the same.

[Catfish]

That's for sure, extremely ugly. Someone said that "how beautiful the plane is, so well it flies."

[Sergeantpro]

Quote: Egorchik

Frankly ugly machine, how could he get around the submarine? The submarine even has a highlight, but it’s some kind of miscarriage.

So SIG and GLOCK are still ugly bricks. Happiness is not in appearance.

[sedoj]

All my life I thought that 9mm is a caliber. But no, it turns out.

9X19 mm is no different from the "army" version chambered for 9X21 mm. Only caliber,

Caliber is the length of the cartridge. So the difference between 7,62 and 5,45 is not in calibers, but in (I don’t know what). Probably in numbers.

[WILL]

You are mistaken, Caliber is a diameter! in this case, between the rifling of the trunk! The wording given in the article is incorrect. With the same caliber, the length of the sleeve and, accordingly, the powder suspension may be different.

[sedoj]

Well, Duc. Articles are written smart. What can I do. They wrote: "A chipmunk is a bird," which means a bird. Have to believe. And no animals.

[WILL]

I did not immediately understand your humor!

[Rzzz]

Well, to be a completely bizarre bore, then a caliber is a metal rod of a certain diameter, which is used to check the barrel during production. If the desired caliber enters the barrel - then everything is in order, if not - then the barrel is undercut.

[Sergeantpro]

Quote: donavi49

And a lot of pistols in the army shoot? And he will be much better than 9x19, even against a broadhead with AK ?.

There are not many pistols in the army. However, increased penetration is never superfluous.
In this context, do not explain why for ПЯ full-time 7Н21, but not 9х19 FMJ; for GSh-18 even more evil 7N31, destructive for most Glocks? (I will give a tip - increased penetration). And yes, for the reason that the army doesn’t shoot a lot of pistols, supplying it with expensive 9x21 ammunition will not be very expensive.

[Sergeantpro]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

Quote: Gregory_45

and a lot of army men shoot pistols?

Rarely . But I once saved my life PM and since then I treat the pistols with reverence

The same story. All my life I thought it was better to have a gun than not to have it.

[Catfish]

Well yes. "A kind word backed up by a pistol is much more significant than just a kind word." (C) Al Capone, if I'm not mistaken.

[asura]

Usually, the adoption of pistols into service and the purchase was delayed for years. Here, in a single stroke, just under two calibers, the miracle weapon "interested" everyone ... Notable lobbyists

PS: Ahh, TsNIITochmash is Rostec. What am I how small.

[simara]

So much noise because of one pistol, standard design, and in fact in the world even Brazil sells them in bundles every year, in America it’s for every taste and color, and here, 2-3 old design bureaus who invent a bicycle, how is it ak12? What plans were, AEK was very good as a result, received an old Kalash with body kits. It’s not clear that everything else is ok, but this constant “unparalleled” is already tired especially in the subject of pistols.
At least act like with a Lada, buy a thread from someone for Glock or whatever you like and release it under the Voevoda brand ... it's better than meeting the 22nd century PM)

[fiberboard]

It painfully looks like a PY, but I have the saddest memories of this gun. Maybe now they’ve finalized it, but earlier it was a torment to shoot from a gun. After each shot, I had to disassemble it, eliminate the malfunction.

[U-58]

But why does the army need a different cartridge?
What is the principal highlight of this?
But what.
In arms hijacking, there is a separator or an earthen gun.
Work is not that little, but not at all.
And work on a new pistol began to boil.
Yeah, we need to show our work so that we don’t suddenly disperse the office into distant garrisons.
So they degenerated their "ideya".
They say change the cartridge, because with the existing gun is not fully suitable for achviters in battle.
That is, the office is alive and very necessary

[senima56]

It turns out somehow strange: the Ministry of Defense gives TTZ to develop a pistol chambered for 9x21. Accepts it for service ...., but then, suddenly (!!!) "expressed interest in the newest pistol" Boa "chambered for 9X19" Parabellum "caliber!" As far as I know, the pistol chambered for 9x19 was an "initiative development" by designer I. Kozlov from NIITOCHMASH.

[Chilean Abalon]

I think that under 9x19, there are commercial prospects, unlike 9x21.

[hhurik]

And where is it written about "adoption"? For supply, as part of trial operation. Not the fact that it will take off at all ... more precisely, it will creep into the nomenclature, after all, a snake.

[senima56]

It has been written about "adoption" for a long time, at the beginning of the year. And now they are reporting that they are "entering the troops"! I have been following the topic "Russian small arms" very carefully and for a long time!

[Sancho_SP]

It is unlikely that the gun in the army is now more important than a helmet or boots. It’s definitely too much to spend money on developing a separate army pistol.

It is more logical to make a gun for the police, and use it in the army. It is at least cheaper.

[hhurik]

Police Boa constrictor and others like it need a brake light like a hare.

[Sancho_SP]

90% of the police will be enough and PMa. Yes, it will be so for a long time.

However, in some states the police walk with Beretta - and nothing.

[beer-youk]

Quote: vladcub

as an auxiliary, I would choose Glock-compact chambered for luger.

Without a doubt, Glock is not the worst weapon. It could be ideal if it had not wedged after 25-30 shots in a short period of time, about 40-60 seconds.

[Ros 56]

So only yesterday they wrote and discussed the news about Boa, what again?

[Saxahorse]

People are indignant out of the blue. Again, a dummy from PR campaign .. Nobody chose this gun anywhere. Someone from the special forces promised to buy a few pieces and for a year around this a whole typhoon of speculation and reflection.

[savment]

Why this boa constrictor of the same police. The precinct or opera with peps Makarov for the eyes. Makarov is a great car. With a good skill in shooting allows you to achieve excellent results. As my instructor in special and fire training said, you will learn to shoot with pm you will shoot from any system. This is again another squandering of money. The general from the Ministry of Internal Affairs saw that we also need such an interesting and beautiful pistol, the army does. And the fact that the army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs or another structure have different tasks is another question for them.

[Evil echo]

The Star is now testing Glock, fifth, boa constrictor.

[Sergeantpro]

Quote: Sancho_SP

It’s definitely too much to spend money on developing a separate army pistol.

It is more logical to make a gun for the police, and use it in the army. It is at least cheaper.

That is the most powerful army in the world periodically announces a competition for a new pistol for the army, for the MTR, there are also different security forces ... A ZIG police officer is not the same as an army one, as a regular Glock would not be very suitable for the military . There, of course, it’s not without a chainsaw on the budget, but they don’t stop taking one or the other for trial operation. At the same time, even the ancient 1911A1 is not removed from service.