"Fedor" in space. Simple experiences and a great future

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On August 27, the Soyuz MS-14 spacecraft docked to the International Space Station with a special payload on board. This time, the manned spacecraft was carrying not people, but a special kind of equipment. The cabin housed the human-shaped multipurpose robot Skybot F-850 / FEDOR and auxiliary equipment for it. Currently, the ISS crew is conducting the first checks of the new complex and is preparing to solve more complex problems.


Launching a rocket with Fedor aboard




First Russian


It should be noted that the Russian "Fedor" did not have time to become the first anthropomorphic robot aboard the ISS. Back in 2011, the Robonaut 2 product developed by NASA was delivered to the station. However, the F-850 is the first Russian development of its kind, which not only reached testing, but also reached space.

History FEDOR began in 2014 when the Advanced Research Foundation launched the design of a multi-purpose anthropomorphic robotic system. The development of such a system was carried out by FPI and NPO Android Technique. Initially, the product was intended for the Ministry of Emergency Situations and had to work in conditions dangerous to humans. The project was based on developments on existing SAR-400 and SAR-401 robots.

Creating a basic platform was associated with some difficulties, but in 2015-16. the project has moved to a new stage. Then there was a proposal to create a specialized version of the complex for operation in space. Such a robot is called "Fedor" or FEDOR (Final Experimental Demonstration Object Research). Not so long ago, the complex was renamed to Skybot F-850.

On August 22, the new RTK was sent to the ISS. There were some malfunctions in the flight to the station, due to which the docking was only possible on August 27. The ISS crew has already begun to master new technology in real conditions.

Work in orbit


In the near future, "Fedor" will not have long, but work hard in orbit. Details of the scientific program with his participation have not yet been disclosed, but some information has already appeared. In general, various works of one kind or another are planned, in which a robot under the control of a person will interact with different objects and perform certain tasks.



Together with the robot, the so-called copy type master device - a special “exoskeleton” for the operator, allowing him to control the movement of the robot. Using ZUKT, the operator can monitor with the eyes of a robot, as well as exercise complete control over the manipulators. All experiments within the framework of the current flight will be carried out using a combination of F-850 and ZUKT.

It is reported that in the first days in orbit, the new robot managed to participate in several experiments. "Fedor" showed his ability to work with various hand tools and some equipment of the station. New experiments are expected in which the promising RTK will show its different capabilities of various kinds.

At the same time, we are not talking about the withdrawal of the robot into outer space. The head of Roscosmos, Dmitry Rogozin, recently said that such experiments will be carried out during the next flight of Fedor to the ISS. This flight, according to current plans, will take place only after two or three years. By this time, the complex will be finalized according to the results of trial operation and will be able to more fully meet the characteristic conditions of space.

In the meantime, Skybot F-850 is used only within the International Space Station. To carry out all the necessary experiments and experiments left just over a week. On 6 on September, the Soyuz MS-14 spacecraft undocked from the ISS and returned Fedor home. Then, the developers of this RTK will have to analyze the information collected, which will allow us to proceed with finalizing the project to meet new requirements.

Great promise


So far, FEDOR / F-850 has the status of a prototype designed for testing in laboratories, test sites and the ISS. The full implementation of such systems in space practice is still far away, but the prospects for this process are already clear. The appearance, development and implementation of anthropomorphic robotic systems is of great interest to the space industry, both domestic and world.


Robot and operator with ZUKT


The main goal of the project, the result of which was Fedor, was the creation of an RTK capable of replacing a person when working in dangerous conditions. In the context of the space program, this primarily means that the robot will be able to go into open space and work there for the astronauts.

This can greatly simplify the preparation and conduct of work. RTK does not need food and rest, which allows you to keep it “overboard” for a longer time. Cosmonauts-operators will be able to replace each other, observing the optimal mode for them. Also, the robot can be controlled by an operator on Earth - thanks to this, astronauts in case of difficulty can get more complete assistance from the outside.

Officials indicated that a special modification of the F-850 could be created in the future to operate outside the ISS. Such an RTK will receive optimized means of transportation to work on the station’s surface and will be able to constantly be outside, waiting for a command to act. The value of such a complex for the International Space Station is obvious.

A remotely controlled robot can also be useful inside the ISS. With its help, specialists from the Earth will be able to take a direct part in various studies and experiments. This will reduce the load on the crew, as well as provide a larger range of research with the involvement of relevant scientists and engineers.

Some advantages are expected in the operation of robots on existing and promising spacecraft. In particular, it is proposed to introduce “Fedor” into the crew of the “Union” or “Federation” as an observer. Working offline, he will be able to quickly analyze all incoming data and draw the attention of living astronauts to certain nuances and factors.



In the long run, robotic resistance to stress can come in handy in new space missions. Sending a person to other celestial bodies is associated with known difficulties, and the use of a humanoid robot greatly simplifies such operations. It is possible that in future expeditions to the Moon or Mars, living cosmonauts will be accompanied by RTKs, similar to the current Fedor. The independent use of remotely controlled systems in such missions can be difficult due to the length of the transmission of radio signals.

Thus, the current tests of the Skybot F-850 / FEDOR in the ISS look rather modest, but open the way to a great future. The necessary experience is being accumulated, on the basis of which new important projects will be created in the future.

Near future


“Fedor” arrived on the ISS on 27 on August, and its departure is scheduled for 6 on September. Over the remaining days, the astronauts will have to carry out a lot of experiments of various kinds necessary to determine the real capabilities of the robot. Next, a new stage of design work is expected, according to the results of which the complex will become more effective in solving special space problems.

The next flight of the F-850 or its modified version into orbit is expected in a few years - at the beginning of the twenties. What changes the RTK will undergo before the second start, one can only guess. Representatives of the space industry mentioned some wishes and assumptions, but it is not yet clear which of them will reach practical implementation.

In general, at the moment, the overall success of the Fedor project looks quite serious. The first domestic anthropomorphic robot has already passed a long and successful development on the ground, and now it is delivered to the International Space Station for the first time. In real conditions, it checks its basic capabilities and skills.

Current experiments, despite the relative simplicity, lay the foundation for the further development of domestic space robotics. The developments on Skybot F-850 in its current form in the future will be used in new projects that will ensure the re-equipment of the ISS and the creation of new stations, as well as allow more efficient organization of future interplanetary expeditions. However, before achieving such goals, you need to complete the current test program and return the experienced RTK home.
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  1. +1
    2 September 2019 18: 10
    blowing with great fanfare is one thing, but to achieve real breakthrough results it must be shown on the shed it is also written ... and there is firewood
    1. -1
      2 September 2019 18: 17
      and they aren’t supposed to be?) Actually, they made an anthropomorphic robot that can even crawl on the wheels.
    2. +14
      2 September 2019 20: 27
      Quote: Ryaruav
      blowing with great fanfare is one thing, but to achieve real breakthrough results it must be shown

      Collected, sent, checked. The article is normal, there are prospects for application. Than a person outside to drive around the station, so a robot, especially since in space, in that spacesuit and attire, you don’t really work. A protective space suit is not a rubber underwater wetsuit with rubber gloves, all movements with effort and hours hanging in a vacuum in the sun ...
      So it's better to let "Robots work, not humans!"
      1. +4
        3 September 2019 07: 24
        A protective space suit is not a rubber underwater wetsuit with rubber gloves, all movements with effort and hours hanging in a vacuum in the sun ...
        So it's better to let "Robots work, not humans!"

        For the external repair of the station, the robot obviously didn’t need to make a humanoid structure, as it would be useless in space like a goat’s milk
      2. +2
        3 September 2019 08: 41
        Quote: Starover_Z
        Than a person outside to drive around the station, so a robot

        And the anthropomorphism notorious for him to nabubu? Well, damn it, space, damn zero gravity - why does this robot need legs? Why would he, in principle, try to mimic a person who is not suitable for such working conditions by definition? Pampering is all this, only very expensive.
        1. 0
          3 September 2019 16: 08
          his son is engaged in mechatronics and says that anthropomorphism gives wider application possibilities (a person can control many mechanisms and tools), although specialized robots are simpler and cheaper.
          1. +1
            3 September 2019 17: 38
            Quote: AlexanderI
            a person can control many mechanisms and tools

            ... imprisoned under human control. If we want to control mechanisms / tools with the help of a robot, it is logical to design them accordingly: the interaction interfaces can be implemented much more efficiently without limiting oneself to the capabilities of the human body.

            Well, legs in space are still of little use even to humans. Another pair of hands to the space robot would be much more useful.
    3. 0
      3 September 2019 14: 30
      Quote: Ryaruav
      blowing with great fanfare is one thing, but to achieve real breakthrough results it must be shown on the shed it is also written ... and there is firewood

      Has your robot achieved more? It’s one thing to pick from the nose, but with your brain and the ability to create something that works, it’s another, you don’t need to read the inscriptions on the barn ...
  2. -13
    2 September 2019 18: 16
    In my opinion, it’s simple - the earth's garbage in space. It can neither walk on Earth, nor in orbit - not even just stand.
    On the ground - hung by cables, in space - tied to the ship. It is not entirely clear what to do with this shame when it "finishes" all cosmic experiments. We will watch how this shameful epic ends.

    1. +6
      2 September 2019 18: 18
      turn on your head. weightlessness actually. sometimes it is also necessary to fix on the earth. he still has to study and study.
      1. -1
        2 September 2019 19: 04
        Quote: carstorm 11
        turn on the tin. weightlessness

        And for some, the main thing is to start whining.
      2. +2
        2 September 2019 20: 34
        It is necessary to develop the element base and equipment for the manufacture of individual elements of such machines with very high accuracy, otherwise everything will remain at the initial stage. tkitak and
      3. 0
        2 September 2019 20: 43
        Quote: carstorm 11
        turn on your head. weightlessness actually.

        The head can be turned on if there is one .. And here is the complete absence of the head.
      4. +3
        2 September 2019 20: 50
        The head is given to eat. The accumulation of motor skills in numbers is not a simple thing. And if everything goes well in space, then this will be a huge reserve for the future programming and creation of AI.
        1. 0
          3 September 2019 15: 21
          Fedor already has AI, he already reads comments on Twitter, doesn’t he?))
          1. 0
            3 September 2019 15: 24
            And the identity too. Rumor has it that a woman on earth is waiting for him.
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    2. -1
      2 September 2019 19: 05
      Quote: TTLS
      In my opinion, it’s simple - the earth's garbage in space.

      That is, essentially nothing to say?
      1. 0
        2 September 2019 19: 41
        There is. In space, human motility is needed, not a humanoid piece of iron. In addition, what kind of monster should he become in order to hang out in outer space, like fishing?
        1. 0
          2 September 2019 23: 02
          Quote: sabakina
          In space, human motility is needed, not a humanoid piece of iron.

          Everything is developing and the motor skills too. But the mechanisms have an advantage - they are not alive, and if something is better than Fedor than a man.
    3. -1
      3 September 2019 08: 12
      get minus for stupidity
  3. +4
    2 September 2019 18: 16
    I see, ZUKT without legs is a failure. It would be interesting to see how Fedya walks, it would be possible to assess the stabilization in motion. If his legs are a sham, that’s really bad. Nakolkhozi torso with hands and a head - this is the level of an undergraduate university, with a budget of 100 lemons - 99 just stolen.
    1. +1
      2 September 2019 18: 19
      on YouTube a bunch of videos as he walks. without an operator.
      1. +3
        2 September 2019 18: 41
        You confused Fedya with the robots from Boston Dynamics! Happens out of habit! In order not to be confused for sure - Fedya is always pulled on ropes, from above, you can see well. Or just a cable or a trapezoid type. Without this - nothing. Yes, there is another option - when Fedya is "put" in a car or ATV. Separately, on the cables they bring to the vehicle and the next frame - it is already moving.
        And here are the pictures from the exhibition of robotics at VDNH:



        Pay attention to the elegance of the solutions in the mounting of sensors with adhesive tape to a wooden base. Roughly speaking, the scarecrow from the sticks was surrounded by sensors and indicators ... on scotch tape. However, just like Fedya’s flag is in his hands, he is also wrapped with adhesive tape.





        There are still options for robots from AliExpres with Russian names on the case. There are helicopters and airplanes and quadrocopters and robots that are wrung out and dancing lezgins .. but we will not make our Chinese partners laugh?
    2. 0
      2 September 2019 20: 51
      Walk in zero gravity? Nude nude.
  4. -1
    2 September 2019 18: 22
    Demonstration of the plebs, where, like, his money was divided ... Craft at the level of the late 80s of the USSR. There’s nothing to be proud of.
    1. +2
      2 September 2019 18: 30
      huh?))) and when and most importantly, who managed to create an anthropomorphic robot in the USSR? What are the names of these geniuses?
      1. +2
        3 September 2019 00: 42
        Werther, do not forget))))
      2. +3
        3 September 2019 08: 54
        Android B2M.
        The first Soviet robot was created by a schoolboy Vadim Matskevich in 1936 and was named B2M. The creation of the robot took place over two years in the turning workshops of the Novocherkassk Polytechnic. The B2M robot was able to raise a hand just above the shoulder
        http://robotoved.ru/android-made-in-ussr/
        APC
        The ARS radio electronic secretary was developed by Boris Grishin, a teacher at the Kaluga College of Railway Transport, in 1966.
        https://www.pvsm.ru/roboty/70506
        The MAR-1 robot (mobile autonomous robot) was developed in the early 80s by the Department of Agricultural Robotics at the Moscow Institute of Agricultural Engineers. The purpose of MAR-1 was to service the livestock complex.
        http://shvachko.net/?p=709&lang=ru+
        Few?
        1. 0
          3 September 2019 19: 19
          Quote: AleBors
          Few?

          Compare with Fedor cheat visually, for starters. And then read about the trials that have already been conducted on earth.
          1. 0
            4 September 2019 09: 04
            I saw these tests. Hanging something ...
            1. 0
              4 September 2019 20: 20
              Quote: AleBors
              I saw these tests.

              Personally present?
    2. -1
      2 September 2019 20: 52
      A "grafiam" is not dumb to comment on?
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  6. +17
    2 September 2019 19: 11
    There are several anthropophore robots at the station, but all of them -
    toys. Because - anthropomorphic.
    This form is familiar to us (oh! Resembling us means a person),
    but uncomfortable in terms of utility.
    Optimal is a spider robot. Two pairs of limbs - supporting,
    and two pairs are grasping. Vapors may vary functionally.
    And, of course, the "human" head is absurd. The "brain" should be
    hidden in the body, but eyes are desirable on each surface.
    Why won't they do this? laughing
    Because he will be terribly scary. wassat And we are afraid
    scary. Give us Robot Fedor, kind as Winnie the Pooh. fellow
    1. 0
      2 September 2019 19: 40
      I partially agree. 6 limbs for movement and fixation in any orientation is optimal, proven by nature. But 4 is enough, when the lower limbs of the nifig are not similar to human ones and are not intended for bipedal walking, but have greater mobility and are adapted to a greater extent for fixing the robot (not why walk in space, but you need to hold on tightly). But the top is a matter of convenience. In my opinion, the forelimbs and the "head" should be in the image of humans, with the same characteristics of mobility; this should be done in a way that is natural for the operator to operate the robot
      1. -2
        2 September 2019 20: 45
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Give us Robot Fedor, kind as Winnie the Pooh. fellow

        You? You seemed to want to the moon but could not.
        And what kind of Vinipuha are you talking about? The American is just a dodger.
        The one who speaks in the voice of Evgeny Leonov is the best bear in our multlesu.

        At the expense of robotic technology in space, you just rave.
        Remember the lunar rover that was sent to the moon by our country.
        There are no eight paws in it
        and there is lunar soil on earth
    2. -3
      2 September 2019 20: 54
      Come on Robot Fedor, kind as Winnie the Pooh

      Why do you need it?
    3. 0
      2 September 2019 21: 13
      We are not afraid, that is not the point. We just do not have anything real, everywhere an imitation of activity.
      We do not have a real president, government, or state — there are simulacra. Simulacrum of the president, government, simulacrum of the state. The main show off, the main PR.
      What is better than Roskosmos? So instead of a space robot - a simulacrum.
    4. +1
      2 September 2019 21: 15
      Optimal is a spider robot.

      Why won't they do this? laughing
      Because he will be terribly scary.

      And why such a conclusion)))
      The same ant, by nature, is designed to carry cargo much more efficiently than a spider.
      1. +6
        2 September 2019 21: 46
        "The same ant, by nature is designed to carry cargo" ///
        ----
        With this I agree. Either insects (6 legs) or arachnids (8 legs).
        There are disputes, which is more effective for work. But not four limbs.
    5. +5
      2 September 2019 21: 21
      Quote: voyaka uh
      This form is familiar to us (oh! Resembling us means a person),
      but uncomfortable in terms of utility.

      Fedya was originally without legs, only to the waist. It was supposed to be placed on a cart wheeled or tracked, for the needs of the Ministry of Emergencies. The advantage of Fedor is that the operator feels with his fingers everything that the robot does. An astronaut in outer space can not touch to determine whether it is a nut or not, with Fedya can.
      I don’t understand why such a howl costs, simply because he is Russian?
      1. +3
        2 September 2019 23: 04
        Quote: Igor V
        I don’t understand why such a howl costs, simply because he is Russian?

        Oddly enough, but yes.
      2. +4
        3 September 2019 00: 02
        A simple thought experiment: Imagine that Americans, Europeans, Chinese, or anyone else, but not us, launched the ISS like a robot. Such news would have generated the same flurry of comments. Literally the SAME. The same "patriots" of the local spill would just as happily shit on Russia, shout about bad government, cry about the fact that they are doing nothing here, remember pensions, the USSR and other copy-paste with which they rush from topic to topic.
    6. +1
      2 September 2019 22: 13
      Quote: voyaka uh
      This form is familiar to us (oh! Resembling us means a person),
      but uncomfortable in terms of utility.

      Absolutely right.
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Optimal is a spider robot.

      Quote: andranick
      6 limbs to move and fix in an arbitrary orientation optimally, proven by nature. But enough 4,

      Any point of view has a right to exist. Everything is determined by the tasks and operating conditions. And anthropomorphism is unambiguous for the average person. hi
    7. +1
      2 September 2019 23: 09
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Optimal is a spider robot.

      Strictly speaking, this is not a robot and it is controlled by a person, not by AI. It’s difficult for a person to control a spider.
      1. +1
        3 September 2019 00: 38
        "It is difficult for a man to control a spider." ////
        ----
        That's right. good The control panel is too complicated for
        human thinking: so many limbs belay
        But when real robots with AI appear, they will remind
        will not be humans, but rather insects or spiders.
    8. +3
      3 September 2019 02: 43
      Quote: voyaka uh
      This form is familiar to us (oh! Resembling us means a person),
      but uncomfortable in terms of utility.

      Oh! You got ahead of me! As soon as I read:the use of a humanoid robot greatly simplifies such operations. , I wanted to object loudly at once, but it was too late! I very much agree with you that the "humanity" of robots is far from the best option! It is better to "work hard" from this the robot will not! The main thing for robots will be the availability of technical "vision", the versatility of a set of manipulators, mobility, transportability ... And this is just more convenient, more expedient to achieve in other constructs! That is why the configuration of a "spider" (as you say ...) or a "caterpillar" (yes at least, a "praying mantis"!) Will really be in demand in practical designs! And "Fedor" is more "pampering" ... "toy"!
      1. 0
        3 September 2019 19: 21
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        And "Fedor" - more

        How many times it has been said - a person controls it and it was created precisely for such control.
        1. 0
          4 September 2019 00: 07
          Quote: Dart2027
          How many times it has been said - a person controls it and it was created precisely for such control.

          Sweet! Yes, we do not need to say "so many times"! We remember! But the author tried a little to look into the future ... and we are together with him! So you turned to the wrong address with a reproach!
          1. 0
            4 September 2019 20: 21
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            We remember

            Then it’s not entirely clear why he is a toy?
            1. 0
              5 September 2019 01: 47
              Quote: Dart2027
              Then it’s not entirely clear why he is a toy?

              This is a figurative expression! While the "products" are called "experimental and experimental", they are a kind of "toys" for designers, engineers ...
              1. 0
                5 September 2019 19: 22
                Quote: Nikolaevich I
                they are a kind of "toys" for designers, engineers

                Then it is clear.
  7. +3
    2 September 2019 19: 35
    Feda has been studying and studying for a long time.
    Example with the Boston Dynamics.




    Atlas is engaged in parkour. The management software uses the whole body, including legs, arms and torso, to distribute energy and strength, to jump over a log and jump up the stairs without breaking the pace. (Step height 40 cm.)

    1. -7
      2 September 2019 21: 11

      Example with the Boston Dynamics.

      Yes, revelations of such videos from the Boston Dynamics have already surfaced - such as finished graphics around a person.
      Anyway - but the video is almost always from their laboratory, and not from an open presentation, where it can be visually confirmed.)))
      1. +4
        2 September 2019 21: 43
        Yes, revelations of such videos from the Boston Dynamics have already surfaced - such as finished graphics around a person.

        It is interesting to see this "exposure". Probably how to "expose" the Americans on the moon? .. laughing

        Anyway - but the video is almost always from their laboratory, and not from an open presentation, where it can be visually confirmed.)))

        And what to present? Yes, the robot walks, this is an achievement, but not the end of the work.
        1. -3
          2 September 2019 22: 09
          It is interesting to see this "exposure". Probably how the "exposure" of the Americans on the moon?

          Differ from real? )))
          https://www.ntv.ru/novosti/2203202/
          1. +2
            3 September 2019 10: 36
            Differ from real? )))
            https://www.ntv.ru/novosti/2203202/

            Of course, because it says - a parody. And the robot’s movements are different. But a cool video.)
  8. +1
    2 September 2019 19: 36
    And to me this:

    Reminded of such a moment:
  9. +1
    2 September 2019 21: 09
    Another ravine from a madhouse. Imitation of violent scientific activity. And as a result, as always: the mountain gave birth to the mouse Fedya. I don’t know, stupidly build at least one cruiser, restore the fortified area in the Far East, on the border with China, etc. etc.
    Although what I mean. They cannot create anything at the genetic level, but only imitate and devour the remnants of the Soviet legacy. If Russia, thanks to God, still survives, then future historians, studying this time, will expressively twist their fingers at their temples. Well, we are waiting for the next mechanical scarecrow with the "Vasya" to be thrown into orbit.
    1. +1
      2 September 2019 23: 05
      Quote: Old Fuck
      Another ravine from a madhouse.

      Self-critical.
  10. +6
    2 September 2019 21: 23
    The word "robot" is embarrassing, because in Russian "robot" implies some kind of decision-making. In this sense, the leggy robots from Boston Dynamics are undeniably robots. Fyodor is just a manipulator, completely controlled by the operator, like drones, for example. There is a benefit from it - replacing a person in contingencies dangerous situations. Because if the situation is routine, such as a spacewalk, why anthroporphy? Well, okay, "hands" - such manipulators can be dexterously controlled by the operator and use a tool designed for human astronauts. But instead of legs, a different mover would be better.

    A completely opposite approach is curious: a robot ball that is able to deftly move in zero gravity of a station (it needs an atmosphere to move, create a reactive force, so it cannot fly in space), but it is ideal as a monitoring and control device, an assistant to highlight or suggest (as a communication device), conveniently being nearby.

    http://www.parabolicarc.com/2019/08/31/background-information-on-cimon-mobile-astronaut-assistant/
    1. +1
      2 September 2019 22: 28
      Quote: Proctologist
      The word "robot" is embarrassing, because in Russian "robot" implies some kind of decision-making.

      I do not agree with you a little. A robot, in the generally accepted sense of the word, is an actuator (manipulator, tool, etc.) and a control system (computer, controller, command device, manually by an operator, etc.). An example of such systems is industrial robots (heard, of course). Dumb pieces of iron that cyclically execute on the conveyor or somewhere else one (or more) the same function. Some are equipped with some kind of sensors for feedback from the control system. And decision making is already an AI element.
      1. +1
        3 September 2019 21: 59
        I agree. Instead of "making decisions" I should write "perform some actions-movements without the participation of a human operator", no matter how primitive they are. The motion and light sensor that turns on the flashlight is not a robot, since there is no movement. But Tesla arriving independently from the parking lot is a robot, in my understanding.
        1. +1
          3 September 2019 22: 10
          Quote: Proctologist
          I should have written "perform some actions-movements without the participation of a human operator", no matter how primitive they are.

          There are robots controlled by the operator. Examples of this are all sorts of "Uranus" and the like.
          Quote: Proctologist
          A motion and light sensor that turns on a flashlight is not a robot because there is no movement.

          More truly it will be - there is no executive mechanism.
          Quote: Proctologist
          But Tesla coming from the parking lot on her own is a robot, in my understanding.

          You are absolutely right. hi
  11. +6
    2 September 2019 21: 28
    My father was doing geological surveys in the Sahara in the 60s. I hired a dozen workers, dug ditches, made routes. Local workers barely moved under the scorching sun and he changed his boss every morning. It looked something like this; "Yesterday you Ahmed did not cope with the honor of leading your wonderful brigade and today it will be rais ..." and he pointed at the weakest and most poorly dressed man, peacefully lying in the shadows among other hard workers. The young man jumped up abruptly, shook off the sand and shouted loudly "Well, dirty Arabs, grab your shovels and do what the white man says." He bought a scooter, put a smart local kid on it, who rode the compass along the profiles, collected stones in a bag and in the evening brought them to the geologist's tent. The American practically did not leave the tent, but when at the end of the season, he and his father checked the maps - the geological conclusions practically coincided. The father received severe skin injuries due to being in the sun for a long time and suffered from ulcers on his face for many years. Maybe geological surveying on the moon can be done with spiral routes on a motor scooter with a manipulator, and then the stones can be taken to geologists on Earth or the ISS.
    1. +3
      2 September 2019 22: 47
      Sample collection sites are also well documented. A simple kid on a scooter obviously could not do this. The conclusion is clear.
      1. +2
        3 September 2019 02: 52
        Quote: garri-lin
        A simple kid on a scooter obviously could not do this. The conclusion is clear.

        I agree with you! "The local kid on the scooter" is a very unreliable "tool"! What prevented him from hanging out with the boys near some "teahouse", and then hastily collecting "pebbles" in places convenient for him?
      2. 0
        3 September 2019 07: 12
        What can be documented there? After all, in front of you is a penny. Of course, rare "outcrops" of the rock can be carefully sketched and described in ten pages, but this depends on taste and artistic talent and does not affect the overall quality of the work. In the traditions of the Primorsky school, it is customary to do this on the spot, and Khabarovsk residents prefer to do it all from memory in a comfortable room. This is all a matter of taste and tradition, but does not affect the work. In this particular case, the smart guy measured the distance on the speedometer and numbered the samples with tape, paper and flamaster. This was sufficient for very accurate documentation. On the Moon, it will be possible to collect stones into one body from an area of ​​100 km2 and this is considered one point. This will be enough for a global exploration of the planet.
  12. -1
    2 September 2019 22: 05
    For the journalist at the head of Roscosmos and the close-minded cheers-patriots, the advertising stunt with Fedor is a "breakthrough", professionals from the space industry consider it an absolutely useless puff ...
  13. +4
    2 September 2019 22: 12
    1) Does the author understand the difference between the words robot and manipulator?
    2) why are legs weightless? What to do with them? Walking in the absence of gravity will not work
    1. 0
      2 September 2019 22: 52
      The plane is built through 3 points. Therefore, for reliable fixation of tedious 3 manipulators with grips. When moving, use hands to sequentially change pivot points. In addition to 2 hands, a third manipulator with a set of tools is needed. To locate in the zone of visibility and quickly change insects and equipment.
    2. 0
      3 September 2019 02: 58
      Quote: mikle1999
      why in zero gravity legs? What to do with them?

      Legs ... they are legs in Africa ... and in zero gravity too! Only, I agree, "human-like" legs, in general, are not required! The "scorpion" or "caterpillar" "scheme" will be more in demand ...
  14. AAK
    0
    2 September 2019 23: 18
    So, C - 3 - P - O is already in space, soon it will come to genetically modified Chewbucks ... :)))
  15. +1
    3 September 2019 00: 45
    I apologize if someone thinks my comment is off-top, but it’s not.

    I wondered why the Fyodor robot went to the ISS in a manned spacecraft? Agree, the robot should be delivered to the ISS on a "cargo", it is obvious that it does not need a manned spacecraft unit under any circumstances.
    I googled that this expedition had as its goal not only and not so much the delivery of a complex unit, but also a test of the modernization of the new Kurs automatic docking complex. But it didn't work the first time, to put it mildly. The previous "Course" worked like, excuse me, a Swiss clock. New - could not. But what would have happened if this manned spacecraft had not a piece of metal (with some kind of complex program in a complex computer that controls complex hydraulics), but living people? In my opinion, reflections on these questions are more important than the legs of the robot Fedor.
    1. -2
      3 September 2019 01: 26
      All is not quite so. The whole ship is new. Model 14. Previously, 13 flew. The start-up was milking a comprehensive check of the new ship. Fedya was loaded as a bulky cargo. The ship flew off normally and the failure was on board the ISS. The electronics that worked for 10 years have not worked there. So all the goals of the flight are achieved. Ship tested, Fedya delivered.
      1. +2
        3 September 2019 02: 07
        Quote: garri-lin
        The whole ship is new.

        I beg your pardon, what do you mean? Do you think it was the Federation ship? Not Soyuz?

        Quote: garri-lin
        Fedya was loaded as a bulky cargo.

        Mass-dimensional? Actually, according to open data (Rosskosmos), "Fedor" weighs more than 150 kg, I'm not sure that the average mass of an astronaut is close to this indicator, you are confusing something. 150 kg for a person (not an astronaut, just for a person) is a reason for extremely serious treatment, there can be no talk of space, here life at least at the age of 15 is already good luck.

        Quote: garri-lin
        The electronics that worked for 10 years have not worked there.

        This is sad.
        1. 0
          3 September 2019 08: 44
          The ship is not a Federation, but a new version of the Union with big changes in the filling. It is necessary to experience.
          2. Fedya weighs 150 kg and how much does the astronaut weigh in s4fandra? In 2 astronauts?
          3. Why is it sad that the equipment goes out of order? These are working moments. You need to be prepared for them.
  16. KCA
    -4
    3 September 2019 04: 46
    Commentators always forget to say that Fedya is not only an avatar, but also a robot with his own rudiment of AI, part of the function he performs (maybe) without the participation of an operator, and what and how, I think, is a little state secret, with all the criticism of the regime by liberoids, make and send in orbit just a toy for a billion dollars, just so no one can, just steal the pits, put on the count ...
  17. +2
    3 September 2019 06: 16
    The development of robotics in Russia can only be greeted (a good start), but in this particular case, sending the F-850 (Fedor) to the ISS is more like a PR than a real need (with tests, experiments, etc.). All these experiments could be done on Earth, but in zero gravity conditions - is there any sense for this sample? Most likely it will be so .... the astronauts will test this Fedi, then they will be sent to Earth and after a couple of years everyone will forget about him. Roscosmos and Rogozin will of course put themselves +, but with regard to the development of this series and practical application in the Cosmos, little is very hard to believe. Of course, I would like to make a mistake .... for Cosmos, as right already (they said in the comments above), a spider robot is better, or something like that, but certainly not an anthropomorphic robot.
  18. +1
    3 September 2019 09: 47
    What is the breakthrough? Another "human-controlled" and other "operators" .. Is this a breakthrough in your opinion? What does it consist in? The technology that the pioneers dabbled in?

    "Remotely controlled", and right there - "autonomous work". You can make up your mind, because one thing contradicts the other ..

    And yes, here is an example of an autonomously working robot. The name of the robot is Fox ..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSCzrR2c3WQ&t=196s

    Just to have something to compare before writing nonsense about battery life ..
  19. +2
    3 September 2019 13: 46
    Questions: how much did it cost and when will it be useful to work?
    Without an answer to these key questions, it is not clear to rejoice or ...
    So far it looks menacing and ... useless.

    Although, while the astronauts are working in outer space, Fedor can stand guard over the module, with the task of driving anyone away with a drill in his hands ...

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