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Trump intends to demand from China to pay debts on bonds of the beginning of the 20 century

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The administration of US President Donald Trump intends to demand from China payment of debts on bonds issued at the beginning of the last century. This is reported by the agency. Bloomberg with reference to sources in the White House.


Trump intends to demand from China to pay debts on bonds of the beginning of the 20 century


Donald Trump is considering options for repaying debts on Chinese bonds issued during the reign of emperors. According to the publication, the US president has already met with a group of people who hold such shares on their hands, and who demand to support them in an effort to get money on bonds. According to one of the founders of the fund of holders of Chinese shares, the amount of payments on them, taking into account inflation, accrued interest and compensation, is more than a trillion dollars.

The publication explains that the bulk of Chinese bonds held by the United States were issued at the beginning of the last century to raise funds for the construction of railways.

At the same time, the Chinese authorities do not recognize the debts of the pre-revolutionary governments and refuse to pay them. Note that the United States and China are currently in a state of trade war.

Recall that earlier a group of French citizens applied with a similar requirement to pay debts on bonds issued at the end of the nineteenth century for the construction of railways in Russia, but they were also refused payments, since all financial claims between Moscow and Paris were settled in 90's.
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  1. Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 30 August 2019 10: 09
    +5
    And Trump did not forget about the huge US debt to China.
    According to the US Treasury, the value of Chinese bonds, notes and bills rose by $ 126,5 billion to 1,18 trillion. US dollars in December 2017. Thus, China remains the largest holder of US debt, overtaking Japan by this indicator, whose investment in US public debt fell in December to 1,06 trillion. dollars, reports UNV.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 30 August 2019 10: 13
      +13
      There is no debt. There are debentures that can be elegantly reset to account for approximately the same Qing / Yuan debts
      1. protoss
        protoss 30 August 2019 12: 30
        0
        yuan? uh, as it were before the discovery of America by a columbus.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 30 August 2019 14: 47
          +1
          The last emperor of China = Yuan Shikai in the 1916 year.
          1. bulvas
            bulvas 31 August 2019 21: 16
            0
            If we are talking about offsetting Chinese investments in US bonds and imperial debt, the US government will still have to pay this money to holders of Chinese bonds.

            There is probably a benefit, money remains in the country, but they still have to be paid from the budget

          2. protoss
            protoss 1 September 2019 01: 25
            +1
            so he didn’t even ascend to the throne, this adventure didn’t take him. and the names of Chinese dynasties are not formed from surnames, so the yuan dynasty remained in the 14th century.
      2. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 2 September 2019 14: 13
        -1
        Quote: donavi49
        in terms of Qing / Yuan debt

        hmmm ... but aren’t the Chinese monarchists sitting in Taiwan? if so, then they are responsible for imperial debts wink
    2. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 30 August 2019 10: 15
      +22
      But shouldn't Taiwan pay for this? laughing
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 30 August 2019 10: 20
        +9
        feel
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        But shouldn't Taiwan pay for this? laughing

        Interesting idea. And deep. Only Trump is not useful, which means .... feel
      2. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 30 August 2019 11: 10
        +6
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        But shouldn't Taiwan pay for this? laughing

        There is an interesting conflict.
        1. China (PRC) considers Taiwan a province of the PRC. If so, then with the issue of debt, not everything is clear; the PRC cannot transfer arrows to Taiwan for political reasons.
        2. The United States considers Taiwan an independent state. If so, from which of the Chinese states to demand debt? Considering paragraph 1, Trump will definitely shake the PRC (if it comes to real claims), but then the U.S.-PRC trade war will become total, then what is happening now - the first flowers and the PRC are really time to cash out US debt and look for an alternative to the dollar.
    3. Skay
      Skay 30 August 2019 10: 20
      +6
      But Trump did not forget about the huge US debt to China

      He’s not letting him sleep! So I figured out how to reset it. I think the Chinese are not stupid, and Trump will roll out the oncoming watermelon.
    4. Svarog
      Svarog 30 August 2019 10: 20
      +6
      Quote: Spartanez300
      And Trump did not forget about the huge US debt to China.

      It can be seen to nullify this debt Trump and raised this story with bonds.
    5. akunin
      akunin 30 August 2019 10: 54
      +2
      if the amount is approximately the same
      the amount of payments on them, taking into account inflation, interest and compensation, is more than a trillion dollars.
      this can be offset (I don’t think that all American debt is of pre-revolutionary origin).
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 30 August 2019 11: 30
        +9
        Quote: akunin
        offset may occur

        And that will be the last act.
        For no one will lend the Americans more.
      2. igorbrsv
        igorbrsv 30 August 2019 11: 32
        +3
        True, after this, all countries will reset their "debts to America."
        Can I live to see the fall of America? wassat I have already lived through more than one landmark event. I'm afraid it will be the last
        1. akunin
          akunin 30 August 2019 12: 07
          -1
          all countries are unlikely, nor is China bending to America, but vice versa.
          1. igorbrsv
            igorbrsv 30 August 2019 12: 19
            +1
            Yuesei too much opinion of himself. The largest consumer of goods and services. If their economy collapses, their purchasing power will fall. And the demand for cheap Chinese goods will increase. If their import is not banned at all. Which is generally logical. But then color revolutions will occur already in the United States.
            By the way, I quit my job due to a debt of two months. And I don’t know if I have time to get them. There are no positive dynamics there. And those who stayed can and ....
            This is me to the fact that I still have hope to get a calculation
            1. akunin
              akunin 30 August 2019 12: 29
              +3
              not an economist, but it’s also not easy with China, there are a lot of its own stockpiles. China will not be able to take over the states at this stage (purely my opinion). the Chinese need us more and more, and instead of taking advantage of this, we are bending more and more under them. Trump is the hero of Russia and the hero of capitalist labor in one glass and a very useful person for Russia (if it were a good idea to use his twists).
    6. Private-K
      Private-K 30 August 2019 11: 28
      +1
      Well, they’ll do the offset. Goofy. Gentlemen have the right to change the rules.
    7. den3080
      den3080 30 August 2019 12: 30
      +7
      Loot for many centuries in the West ends, or rather has already ended.
      It's time to start demanding a loud return of values. India in Britain and Portugal, Egypt in Britain, France.
      Mexico, represented by the descendants of the Aztecs and Mayans, and Peru, Ecuador, Colombia and Chile, as descendants of the Incas, are simply obliged to demand the return of all gold and silver from Spain.
      Manhattan must be demanded back by the Indians with a criminal case on fraud by Peter Minuit.
      Mexico will not be such if it does not return Texas, California, Arizona, New Mexico.
      And generally speaking! Freedom to Hawaii and long live the kingdom of Hawaii and the royal dynasty of Kameamea !!
      1. igorbrsv
        igorbrsv 30 August 2019 13: 12
        +1
        In the meantime, the most "victims" of Yusa are shouting. Why would it seem wassat
        Did the machine break the printed one?
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 30 August 2019 22: 13
        0
        Quote: den3080
        And generally speaking! Freedom to Hawaii and long live the kingdom of Hawaii and the royal dynasty of Kameamea !!

        Who, who! And we are only for!
      3. Babur_Imperat
        Babur_Imperat 31 August 2019 08: 10
        -3
        Then the Russians should also return all the wealth exported from Central Asia, all the brilliants and gold jewelry and all the wealth of Uzbekistan accumulated over centuries, they left nothing; they removed the tombstone, carried gold and large and small diamonds from the execution by wagons, then it will be fair. And to pay all the oil and gas sold from Central Asia to Europe, to compensate for the export of uranium from our lands in tones, right?
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 31 August 2019 09: 39
          +1
          Quote: Babur_Imperatorlugu
          wagons carried gold and large and small diamonds from execution

          Wagons, well, you better write "trains" to maintain the image. Well, in reality, more likely a "pair of trunks".
    8. Roman070280
      Roman070280 30 August 2019 14: 10
      0
      Well now, if China decides to demand a return of the debt .. the states will answer them that since you refused to pay us a trillion, then we also refuse our debt .. Something like that ..
  2. WILL
    WILL 30 August 2019 10: 11
    +4
    Stopping neighing ... The Chinese ran to dig out the debtor Emperor to pass on to Trump! laughing
    1. igorbrsv
      igorbrsv 30 August 2019 11: 27
      +1
      Correctly. Let him pay
  3. donavi49
    donavi49 30 August 2019 10: 11
    +8
    Well, the spin cycle = just about as many debt papers have accumulated in China and all kinds of candy wrappers, since they are reset to zero due to the debts of the Qing / Yuan Empire
  4. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 30 August 2019 10: 15
    +2
    According to one of the founders of the fund of holders of Chinese shares, the amount of payments on them, taking into account inflation, interest and compensation, is more than a trillion dollars.
    Congratulations, great padding for the mattress.
    China may return US government bonds with papers.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 30 August 2019 10: 17
      +6
      Yes, but then it will be Trump's epic victory and a second term with 70% + approval.

      For from China one can pump out a trillion of valid money one way or another, and at the same time vassals will approve, and it is not necessary to declare any force majeure or bankruptcy.
      1. Ehanatone
        Ehanatone 30 August 2019 10: 25
        +1
        "Yes, but then it will be an epic victory for Trump and a second term with 70% + approval."
        Well, not the worst option, otherwise the Clintons will be revived again ...
        and she, along with herself, will again try to grab the whole world to hell ...!
        1. igorbrsv
          igorbrsv 30 August 2019 11: 23
          0
          Clinton's ... wassat
          Therefore, they say that we have appointed Trump as president. He is far from. He’s just a businessman, and America has a lot of economic problems. He will be able to rid them of the financial bubble, if he has time. In the long run, he will rid America of the public debt. I’m only afraid I won’t have time wassat
      2. igorbrsv
        igorbrsv 30 August 2019 11: 25
        +1
        Quote: donavi49
        Yes, but then it will be Trump's epic victory and a second term with 70% + approval.

        For from China one can pump out a trillion of valid money one way or another, and at the same time vassals will approve, and it is not necessary to declare any force majeure or bankruptcy.

        Did they pump it out of the huavea? wink
        And here is a trillion
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 30 August 2019 14: 48
          -2
          China has a bunch of US bonds and securities = they can be reset to debt. America will not lose anything - for there will be a valid reason for vassals, debt collection. China trillion money.
  5. g1washntwn
    g1washntwn 30 August 2019 10: 18
    +4
    It seems that something about the Anglo-Saxons in opium invoices is still unbalanced.
    1. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 30 August 2019 11: 17
      +6
      Quote: g1washntwn
      It seems that something about the Anglo-Saxons in opium invoices is still unbalanced.

      If the Chinese invoice for the Opium Wars, it’s not enough for the naughty Saxons to settle all their property. All my life, slaves on plantations will have to grow cotton under the supervision of the Chinese.
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 30 August 2019 10: 20
    +3
    repayment of debts on Chinese bonds, issued during the reign of emperors.
    Oh yes Trumpushka, oh yes "well done." Not a single US president has thought of this, but Trump did. I think that the Chinese will twist their fingers at their temples and sigh sadly. Now, against the background of the statements of such a "human being", one should expect a new wave of demands from Poland to Germany and France to Russia.
    1. g1washntwn
      g1washntwn 30 August 2019 11: 31
      +1
      The United States is looking for a way to zero its own Treasuries. This is slightly different from the "compensation for the Tatar-Mongol yoke". But the meaning is something like this:
      - Dear neighbor, do you remember that you owe me $ 100?
      “I remember that you went to my wife in my absence.”
      - ... and why I am so forgetful, it’s the same I owe you these $ 100!
      - This time, yes, but then it will be much more expensive.
  7. Cottodraton
    Cottodraton 30 August 2019 10: 29
    +5
    China should demand reparations from the "Western world" for the opium genocide of the late 19th century, from which China recovered only by the end of the 20th
  8. 1536
    1536 30 August 2019 10: 31
    +7
    It’s time for the Chinese to surrender to the Americans. A million and a half a day. I think for the Americans in a week it will be enough to end all their wars.
    1. igorbrsv
      igorbrsv 30 August 2019 11: 15
      0
      People pay wink
      Especially at first, the Chinese will not mind. Until it becomes crowded
  9. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 30 August 2019 10: 33
    +2
    Trump intends to demand from China to pay debts on bonds of the beginning of the last century ... And in America blacks are lynched ... lynched! And the American "tourist" sailors systematically underpaid the Chinese rickshaws and coolies! The American bourgeoisie drove the Indians to the reservation! .....
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 30 August 2019 10: 45
      -3
      What evidence do you have?
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 30 August 2019 11: 39
        +1
        All the "world progressive humanity" represented by a billion Chinese people will confirm my words!
  10. Vladimir_6
    Vladimir_6 30 August 2019 10: 34
    +1
    Donald Trump is considering options for repaying debts on Chinese bonds issued during the reign of emperors.

    I wonder if there are bonds of Japanese emperors in the USA?
    1. igorbrsv
      igorbrsv 30 August 2019 11: 11
      0
      In the Japanese state?feel
  11. Mouse
    Mouse 30 August 2019 10: 36
    +3
    so much pressed, if the imperial debts remembered? and they set fire to the sun along the Polish-Crested path ...
    1. igorbrsv
      igorbrsv 30 August 2019 11: 09
      +2
      Apparently our opponent is weak in spirit. Russia didn’t take such a path. Though we tighten the belt
      1. Mouse
        Mouse 30 August 2019 11: 18
        +1
        Apparently the trade war with China did not go at all as expected ... wink
  12. Moskovit
    Moskovit 30 August 2019 10: 58
    +2
    These techniques have long been reflected in Soviet animation.
  13. igorbrsv
    igorbrsv 30 August 2019 11: 07
    0
    . According to one of the founders of the fund of holders of Chinese shares, the amount of payments on them, taking into account inflation, accrued interest and compensation, is more than a trillion dollars.

    After deducting the available Chinese holders of American stocks from a dead donkey, ears are obtained
  14. rocket757
    rocket757 30 August 2019 11: 19
    0
    Cool, cool, cool !!!
    If you substitute your finger, EVERYTHING will be bitten off, to the ears.
  15. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 30 August 2019 11: 26
    0
    Trump bluntly hints that China demanded that the FSI repay their huge debts, well, it’s like an agent of GDP.
    Taiwan, on the other hand, is a temporarily occupied part of China, because it is not the debt of China but the temporary puppet authorities, Fashington, that is what they demand from them, they drove them into a debt hole ...
  16. gafarovsafar
    gafarovsafar 30 August 2019 11: 34
    0
    in how, exactly so much debt from China how many debts from the USA. And lenders grew out of the ground at the most opportune moment. These papers are probably decayed, but they are and are still holding.
  17. evgen1221
    evgen1221 30 August 2019 12: 03
    0
    Well, they can do it easier, exchange part of 126 trillion for live 3 trillion and give them away. And for the following claims, the opium wars, the genocide and the death of the Chinese in the wars in Korea and Vietnam at the hands of the amoebas roll out.
  18. dzvero
    dzvero 30 August 2019 12: 17
    +1
    China may agree ... but it will require the payment of taxes on dividends, a penalty for non-payment, interest accrued ... what else will the tax authorities come up with. Kakby holders of shares were not in a deep minus.
  19. Alexander X
    Alexander X 30 August 2019 12: 45
    -1
    Now the local court of the village of Rotten Horseshoes of any US district will decide that the Chinese in favor of the United States must pay everything for the emperor’s debts. And since the Chinese send Amers on foot, the Americans will begin to seize the assets of the Chinese in the United States and Europe ... Well, to enforce the court decision ... And the Chinese accounts in American and European banks will be frozen ...