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The "Kamov" announced a way to disperse the helicopter to 600 km / h

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Russia has found a way to increase the speed of a combat helicopter to 600 km / h. It is reported TASS with reference to the management of JSC Kamov.




The general designer of Kamov JSC Sergey Mikheev claims that his company managed to find a solution by which it is possible to increase the speed of a combat helicopter to 600 km / h. Mikheev told reporters as part of the International Aviation and Space Salon MAKS-2019.

The general designer of the design bureau notes that at the moment "We lag behind the demands that exist." The designer mentioned Boeing, which, together with Sikorsky Corporation, is creating a promising car with a speed of 480-550 km / h. According to Sergei Mikheev, Russian programs do not yet have such indicators. However, he claims that a solution was found at Kamov.

I managed to find a solution, I patented it that a combat helicopter can fly at a speed of more than 600 km / h.

- quotes his words "Interfax".

The main promising Russian helicopter is not developed by Kamova Design Bureau


At present, in Russia, the development of a promising high-speed helicopter is being carried out by Milia Design Bureau. The Kamova design bureau, known for its active use of coaxial circuits in helicopter engines, has also developed its own version of a promising machine, but the Ministry of Defense is the main project of a competing bureau.

The draft design of “Kamov” was a “syncopter” with two main and one thrust propeller. Its estimated speed was to reach 420 km / h. The design bureau is currently developing a new generation Lamprey marine helicopter.

Russian perspective helicopter on the way


A promising helicopter, which is currently being developed in the interests of the Russian Aerospace Forces, should go into production with 2022 of the year. About this when he was commander in chief of the Aerospace Forces of the Russian Federation, Viktor Bondarev reported. Initially, it was assumed that a civilian version of the machine would be developed, but it turned out to be too expensive for commercial operation, so all the developments were transferred to the military.

At the moment, several countries are developing promising high-speed helicopters at once, since the maximum speed of modern rotary-wing aircraft usually does not exceed 300-350 km / h. At the moment, there is an extremely small number of cars that can cross the 400 km / h bar: these are S-97 Raider in the USA and Eurocopter X3 in Europe.
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  1. Nycomed
    Nycomed 29 August 2019 16: 25
    +12
    Why is there an American car in the photo?
    1. Vladimir16
      Vladimir16 29 August 2019 16: 28
      -2
      And do not tell anyone about this. wink

      And the counter question:
      - Why was it impossible to show this photo?

      Did you read the entire note? Or did not have time? laughing

      It talks about the fact that the US and the EU have at their disposal high-speed helicopters.


      A spacecraft flying at a speed of 600 km / h will appear in the metal. You will immediately see a photo of this "dragonfly". wink
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      2. Chilean Abalon
        Chilean Abalon 29 August 2019 16: 46
        +20
        In the photo K-Max, which is not related to speed. Your sarcasm is not understood.
        1. Antares
          Antares 29 August 2019 21: 32
          +4
          Quote: Locos
          In the photo K-Max, which is not related to speed. Your sarcasm is not understood.

          he
          was a “syncopter” with two main and one thrust propeller

          therefore, the authors selected a syncrocopter ... in the photo
          not the sketch of Kamov himself
      3. loki565
        loki565 29 August 2019 17: 23
        +2
        Given the fact that in the photo the air crane and speed records he never set)))
      4. APASUS
        APASUS 29 August 2019 19: 10
        +6
        Quote: Vladimir16
        - Why was it impossible to show this photo?

        The question in the material is about our car, and not about the American one, it’s logical to put such a


        On video 26.30
      5. Vlad.by
        Vlad.by 30 August 2019 16: 42
        0
        Quote: Vladimir16
        And do not tell anyone about this. wink

        And the counter question:
        - Why was it impossible to show this photo?

        Did you read the entire note? Or did not have time? laughing

        It talks about the fact that the US and the EU have at their disposal high-speed helicopters.


        A spacecraft flying at a speed of 600 km / h will appear in the metal. You will immediately see a photo of this "dragonfly". wink

        Is that sorry Americans have ??
        High-speed helicopter?
        Flying model, no more ... Before the helicopter, he is still like Kazan, riding a donkey
    2. Out
      Out 29 August 2019 20: 53
      +3
      Kaman are the only ones who have done and are doing synchropters.
  2. Thrifty
    Thrifty 29 August 2019 16: 26
    -6
    So there is nothing new in aerodynamics - the "licked" shape of the body, materials that can work at high temperatures and increased loads on the fuselage, engine, or engines, all of whose power gives the maximum possible speed with its own minimum weight! ";
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 29 August 2019 16: 30
      +4
      .... and the propeller at the back.
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      2. novobranets
        novobranets 29 August 2019 17: 20
        +16
        Quote: Zaurbek
        .... and the propeller at the back.

        Somewhere I already saw such a scheme.
        The design bureau is currently developing a new generation Lamprey marine helicopter.
        Can't you come up with a more impressive name?
        1. Stoler
          Stoler 30 August 2019 10: 53
          +1
          This is how much jam this engine will consume? Economy will not tear? laughing good
    2. Svetlana
      Svetlana 29 August 2019 16: 41
      +10
      The main limitation on the speed of a helicopter is not the shape of the hull (licked not licked) but the propulsion. That is, the most licked form, with the strongest motor and heat-resistant materials, with modern forms of the screw, will not bring anything cardinal.
      1. novobranets
        novobranets 29 August 2019 17: 35
        +1
        Quote: Svetlana
        The main limitation on the speed of a helicopter is not the shape of the hull (licked not licked) but the propulsion. That is, the most licked form, with the strongest motor and heat-resistant materials, with modern forms of the screw, will not bring anything cardinal.
        The helicopter rotor group already operates under heavy loads, and has a limited resource. Recall that the helicopter is military, so there will be times when, willy-nilly, the pilots will have to cut off the supercritical flight modes. The increase in speed will add loads as if not an order of magnitude. I am afraid that a new scheme of a non-existent-pushing group will need new materials that can withstand the life of the operation, which would be economically justified.
        1. SHURUM -BURUM
          SHURUM -BURUM 29 August 2019 18: 42
          +1
          And what, has someone already shown 500 km / h?
    3. Lopatov
      Lopatov 29 August 2019 18: 00
      +5
      Quote: Thrifty
      So there is nothing new in aerodynamics - the "licked" shape of the hull, materials that can work at high temperatures and increased loads on the fuselage,

      laughing
      No, here the problem is completely different
      Namely, the tip of the rotor blades at high speeds go to supersonic. With all the consequences up to their destruction

      And this problem is not completely solved by aerodynamics. Because gyroplanes, because tiltroplanes, because the record "Lynx" is so expensive that it did not go into the series.
      1. ProkletyiPirat
        ProkletyiPirat 29 August 2019 21: 30
        0
        Quote: Spade
        Namely, the tip of the rotor blades at high speeds go to supersonic.

        Here the point is different, imagine that the rear wheels of the car rotate forward, and the front wheels backward, PRESENTED? and so for any car enthusiast such a scheme proposed by "experts" for "races" will only cause a loud crazy rzhach laughingor fingers at the temple fool , but in the field of helicopter engineering, everyone with a smart look offers such a prodigy. wassat

        As for the "supersonic blade tips", this is a problem from another area only partially related to the problem of creating a high-speed helicopter.
    4. Chaldon48
      Chaldon48 29 August 2019 18: 09
      +3
      But it is known that the main obstacle to increasing speed are rotors.
  3. garri-lin
    garri-lin 29 August 2019 16: 29
    +1
    Finally. Velocity only synchroper with asymmetric blades or multicopter. A synchropper is preferable due to a smaller midship. Or a classic with the mechanization of the blades and this is already an absurdity. The price will be sky-high.
  4. Piramidon
    Piramidon 29 August 2019 16: 29
    +7
    I am interested in such a question. What, in principle, will change the additional 50-70 km / h? After all, this is not something that added the use of jet engines in aircraft construction in the transition from piston engines, when the speeds doubled.
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    2. Thrifty
      Thrifty 29 August 2019 16: 45
      +2
      Stepan hi is a purely psychological figure, but in life it is a test of the performance of various design decisions, a test of the strength of new materials and technologies. hi
    3. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 29 August 2019 16: 53
      +2
      Quote: Piramidon
      I am interested in such a question. What, in principle, will change the additional 50-70 km / h? After all, this is not something that added the use of jet engines in aircraft construction in the transition from piston engines, when the speeds doubled.

      In civilian aviation, it would make a difference.
    4. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 29 August 2019 16: 57
      +2
      Quote: Piramidon
      What, in principle, will change the additional 50-70 km / h?

      not 50-70, but an increase of more than a hundred km / h - in relation to the fastest serial helicopters.

      Fundamentally, nothing, since jet supersonic engines have not abolished subsonic and screw engines.
      Tactically - gives an advantage. Faster delivery, faster support for ground troops, etc.

      The question is different: at what cost will the speed increase be achieved?
    5. Monar
      Monar 29 August 2019 16: 58
      +2
      Why 50-70?
      the maximum speed of modern rotorcraft usually does not exceed 300-350 km / h

      And further down the text -
      increase the speed of a combat helicopter up to 600 km / h

      All the same, the difference is slightly larger. Yes, and the first jet piston letaki 2 times not overtaken.
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 29 August 2019 17: 08
        +2
        Quote: Monar
        Why 50-70?
        the maximum speed of modern rotorcraft usually does not exceed 300-350 km / h

        And further down the text -
        increase the speed of a combat helicopter up to 600 km / h

        All the same, the difference is a little more

        So far, even at experimental speeds, barely exceeded 400 km / h.
        1. Monar
          Monar 29 August 2019 17: 30
          +1
          Sikorsky already wants 550 in the future.
          The only thing that confused me in the article was the timing. Humble opinion - no earlier than the 30th year.
          And in vain you are so neglecting the difference of 50 km / h. For orders of 350, this is already 14% (if I correctly calculated) the increase.
  5. svp67
    svp67 29 August 2019 16: 31
    +4
    So Kamov has long been working on a "high-speed helicopter"
    "
    1. Monar
      Monar 29 August 2019 17: 35
      +1
      This is not a complete "job". Design projects. Type -
      Ka-58
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  9. Personalrec
    Personalrec 29 August 2019 16: 47
    0
    Everything is beautiful on paper, but in reality you get a bunch of nuances.
  10. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 29 August 2019 16: 50
    +14
    The news is positive, the phrase only cuts the ear -
    I managed to find a solution, I patented it that a combat helicopter can fly at a speed of more than 600 km / h
    I don’t remember that any of the general designers, including Soviet ones, said something like that about the success of the design bureau. It always sounded "We succeeded"!
  11. Grigory_45
    Grigory_45 29 August 2019 17: 01
    0
    The sketch project "Kamova" was "sinhrokopter»
    high speed does not seem to be the ridge of devices of this scheme?
  12. yehat
    yehat 29 August 2019 17: 02
    -1
    Russia has found a way to increase the speed of a combat helicopter to 600 km / h

    I also know this way. Send to orbit and then down
    guaranteed to gain 600, and most likely more.
    another option is to attach to Mriya.
  13. yehat
    yehat 29 August 2019 17: 03
    -3
    Quote: svp67
    So Kamov has long been working on a "high-speed helicopter"

    but does it make sense?
    it seems to me then to do something similar to the f-35V or the new American convertiplane.
    1. Elephant
      Elephant 30 August 2019 12: 02
      -1
      I also like this idea, but there are many questions for the domestic economy! Although our opponents are also seriously engaged in promising helicopters, believing that it is better to have both, and to use equipment, taking into account expediency.
  14. yehat
    yehat 29 August 2019 17: 05
    -3
    Quote: Nevsky_ZU
    In civilian aviation, it would make a difference.

    Do not exaggerate this value.
  15. Zhan
    Zhan 29 August 2019 17: 05
    0
    But still I think everyone is interested to know at what speeds helicopter aviation will develop.
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin 29 August 2019 17: 16
      +2
      The speed of sound minus the speed of rotation of the tip of the blade.
  16. yehat
    yehat 29 August 2019 17: 07
    -3
    Quote: Vladimir16
    A spacecraft flying at a speed of 600 km / h will appear in the metal. You will immediately see a photo of this "dragonfly".

    most likely it will be a big mixer with a jet engine in the ass
    such projects have been constantly surfacing for 30 years.
  17. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 29 August 2019 17: 16
    +4
    If you fold the screw (so as not to interfere with speed) and add a small jet engine and wings, then it is quite possible to reach 600 or even more km / h.
    1. tarakan
      tarakan 29 August 2019 18: 24
      +2
      Ento already instantly-31 turns out)))) (small)
    2. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 30 August 2019 08: 43
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      If you fold the screw (so as not to interfere with speed) and add a small jet engine and wings, then it is quite possible to reach 600 or even more km / h

      ento is no longer a helicopter in the usual sense. A vertically taking off and landing plane. With the propeller folded, the machine loses all the maneuverable advantages of a helicopter, turning into not the most successful aircraft.
      1. Elephant
        Elephant 30 August 2019 11: 55
        0
        Quote: Gregory_45
        With the propeller folded, the machine loses all the maneuverable advantages of a helicopter, turning into not the most successful aircraft.

        It all depends on the need to perform specific tasks, for example, fast delivery of troops or cargo to an inaccessible area (a clearing in the forest, a ship, a golf course ...), where a classic plane cannot land / take off.
        1. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 30 August 2019 13: 46
          0
          those. they again invent a tiltrotor, only coming in from the other side
  18. Operator
    Operator 29 August 2019 17: 17
    +3
    We are talking about the patent RU168554U1 for the utility model "High-speed combined helicopter (rotorcraft)" https://patents.google.com/patent/RU168554U1/ru

    The novelty lies in the transition from helicopter mode (lift is created by the rotor) to aircraft (lift is created by the wing) when the speed reaches 400 km / h. A single turbofan engine in the first case rotates a screw, in the second case - a fan.

    The utility model will not take off - the air flow descending from the main rotor will press on the wing of a large area and turn over the structure of Mikheev, Nosov and Petrosyan.
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 29 August 2019 17: 31
      0
      Ie version of a convertiplane
      1. Operator
        Operator 29 August 2019 19: 37
        +3
        No - rotorcraft variant (main rotor + wing + pusher fan).

        A tiltrotor is an aircraft with rotary bearing / pulling screws such as the American V-22 Osprey.
  19. Azazelo
    Azazelo 29 August 2019 17: 22
    0
    It will be interesting to see.
  20. yehat
    yehat 29 August 2019 17: 39
    +2
    Quote: voyaka uh
    it is quite possible to reach 600 or even more km / h.

    just right, is it called a helicopter if the helicopter pops up only on takeoff and landing?
    How is this circuit fundamentally different from a vertical penguin?
    1. Elephant
      Elephant 30 August 2019 12: 22
      0
      Fundamentally, the circuit is no different. But for some reason, I immediately have a question - why do the largest foreign corporations deal with turntables?
  21. Tarasios
    Tarasios 29 August 2019 18: 00
    +1
    The speed of the helicopter is limited by its main "feature" - the lifting screw. Taking into account the tendency to accelerate helicopters with stupid reactive engines and install, albeit small, wings (for attachments) that have their own lift, at such high speeds, I think, it is worth considering a completely different approach. For example, the blades are fixed in one position, say, with a deflection backward, and then the helicopter operates in airplane mode. Aerodynamics, plumage of the same blades, etc. - everything is solvable.
    1. prodi
      prodi 29 August 2019 18: 27
      0
      helicopter rotor blades are long, flexible, as light as possible, and gain stiffness only due to centrifugal force.
      stiffer, shorter and with wider blades (much less efficient) - this is Osprey
  22. gridasov
    gridasov 29 August 2019 18: 10
    -1
    The logic of such designers is amazing, which thinks in terms of primitive addition and addition. We must work with energy density and the creation of appropriate devices and propulsors.
    1. SASHA OLD
      SASHA OLD 29 August 2019 20: 38
      0
      Quote: gridasov
      The logic of such designers is amazing, which thinks in terms of primitive addition and addition. We must work with energy density and the creation of appropriate devices and propulsors.

      about! what people"!)
      please tell us in detail, it would be very interesting to read
  23. Radikal
    Radikal 29 August 2019 18: 29
    0
    Quote: Nycomed
    Why is there an American car in the photo?

    Don't you watch the news from MAKS on "Zvezda" at 18-00? If you look, then why be surprised - there the TV presenter excitedly advertised ... foreign aircraft. lol
  24. Doliva63
    Doliva63 29 August 2019 18: 33
    +1
    Quote: Vladimir61
    The news is positive, the phrase only cuts the ear -
    I managed to find a solution, I patented it that a combat helicopter can fly at a speed of more than 600 km / h
    I don’t remember that any of the general designers, including Soviet ones, said something like that about the success of the design bureau. It always sounded "We succeeded"!

    Other times, other morals. But unusual, yes.
  25. beeper
    beeper 29 August 2019 18: 47
    +1
    The whole thing about "high speed" is in the NON-SYMMETRIC (in flight) lift of the helicopter main rotor (s)!
    As the speed of the helicopter increases, the lift force on the "oncoming (relative to the oncoming air flow)" rotor blades increases, and on the "runaway" blades, accordingly, it decreases!
    And, due to (proportional to the increase in speed) an increase in this difference between them, the helicopter shows an ever greater tendency to roll and overturn on the "runaway" side, which can be somehow compensated (at speeds up to 350-370 km / h) by equipping rotary-wing aircraft also with small lifting wings - high-speed MI-24 is an example of this! Either using a "coaxial scheme" or "synchropter", where the "oncoming" blades are symmetrical relative to the longitudinal axis of the aircraft and make it possible to slightly increase the cruising speed.
    Correctly stated in the comments of colleagues that the rotor speed is infinite and a further increase in the speed of helicopters is possible only in an airplane, using additional marching propellers, and the rotor blades themselves are like wings or folding them along the axis of the aircraft (and the incoming flow) and using constant (or extendable) wings!
    It would be interesting to look at this "patented scheme", which provides an increase in the speed of the helicopter of the "coaxial scheme" more (how much "more" ???) 600 km / h, how is it so fundamentally different from the already known similar ones ?! winked
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin 29 August 2019 21: 24
      +2
      All that I read in the comments I read in childhood in the journal Young Technician. 30 years have passed and nothing has changed. All the same arguments.
    2. Avior
      Avior 29 August 2019 21: 37
      +1
      There, at the top of the patent.
      Nothing supernatural - takes off by helicopter, but it also has wings of an airplane type, at a speed of about 400 it goes into airplane mode.
    3. Rzzz
      Rzzz 30 August 2019 07: 06
      +2
      Quote: pishchak
      It would be interesting to look at this "patented scheme", which provides an increase in the helicopter speed of the "coaxial scheme" more (how much "more" ???) 600 km / h,

      She's secret of course !!
      But behind the sounds of these statements, the direct sound of a starting saw is heard. Or a boiling pot of noodles.
      1. beeper
        beeper 30 August 2019 11: 42
        0
        In my youth, I had a moment of passion for operating models of helicopters (and I almost became a helicopter pilot myself - there was a 100% chance of being enrolled in the school, but fate turned out differently), so I delved into, with youthful enthusiasm, into the subtleties of design, piloting and aerodynamics flight of these interesting machines, I watched the flights of "Ka" and "Mi" for a long time, sat in the pilot training cabins, collected bit by bit any information about the then classified Mi-24, the lightweight prototype of which showed a speed record for helicopters! I know how difficult it was to reach even overcoming the 300 km / h line of helicopter speed and increase each kilometer over "three hundred", and now "over 600 km / h" ?!
        Of course, I was interested in the "patented solution" - and suddenly something interesting, breakthrough ... but at the top, as the respected colleague Avior previously wrote, photos and videos have already been posted, so I did not see anything unusual, all these design solutions use well-known experimental developments of the 60s of the last century, only at the current level of technology and construction materials! yes
        I was lucky in my childhood and adolescence to communicate with aviation specialists, who began their career in aviation from the first Soviet gliders of the early 20s and all the years lived in aviation, were professionally engaged in it, wrote textbooks and prepared young air frames, so they looked far into the future and these are all current ones. " promising schemes "were already in their drawings then (except that there was no question of" stealth technologies "and" chopped flat surfaces "then - I was taught to achieve" smooth streamlining of all profiles and surfaces "of the aircraft according to the" area rule ").
  26. DPN
    DPN 29 August 2019 21: 36
    0
    Dreaming is not harmful, it is harmful not to dream! In general, chickens in the fall believe that roofing felts will not give roofing felts; grenades of the wrong system will be like in the movies.
  27. VladVlad
    VladVlad 30 August 2019 10: 12
    0
    Sikorsky S-97 Raider 444 km per hour. Sikorsky X2 - 460 km / h. SB> 1 Defiant - 460 km per hour. V-280 Valor-520 km per hour. Eurocopter X3 - maximum speed - 472 km / h. In the development of the enemy helicopters 800-900 km per hour. Are ours just starting to itch? They are fantasizing. It takes about 10 years to develop a helicopter to launch into a small series. In 10 years, our state-of-the-art helicopters will be 10-15 years old. And there are very big doubts that these developers are capable of doing at least 400 km per hour. For 30 years they have not developed anything for a high-speed one, they just thought. Even if they attach 3 pushing screws and make the retractable wings, the enemies will not catch up. And the cost of the helicopter will be like two American ones. Greed and stupidity will win, for sure. But there is a solution. There is a super technology: patent No. 149598 "Device for controlling the flow around an aircraft." The aerodynamic drag is reduced to zero. Reaching 1000 km per hour in the atmosphere is real. Increases the lifting force of the propeller two to three times. There are the latest technologies: gravity control (vertical movement), inertia control (the pilot does not feel acceleration). It is possible to make an apparatus that surpasses helicopters many times in TX. And the USA has already made such devices.
    1. Elephant
      Elephant 30 August 2019 12: 34
      0
      Quote: VladVlad
      Patent No. 149598 "Device for controlling the flow around an aircraft."

      That is, the patent is still from 2014. But, something, there is no movement either among the Kamovites or the Milevts.
  28. yehat
    yehat 30 August 2019 12: 47
    0
    Quote: Elephant
    - Why are the largest foreign corporations engaged in turntables?

    they are constantly engaged in turntables. already 50 years old.
    Americans have a large share of logistics on turntables, significantly more than ours.
    and their traffic volume is much higher.
  29. yehat
    yehat 30 August 2019 12: 49
    0
    Quote: Elephant
    Although our opponents are also seriously engaged in promising helicopters, believing that it is better to have both, and to use equipment, taking into account expediency.

    what good is it to squeeze the maximum out of a rotor that is obviously unsuccessful for speed gain?
    Huge costs for a minuscule effect, as happened with the Comanche project.
  30. yehat
    yehat 30 August 2019 12: 52
    0
    Quote: voyaka uh
    If you fold the screw (so as not to interfere with speed) and add a small jet engine and wings, then it is quite possible to reach 600 or even more km / h.

    if you need to fold the screw, maybe even send it nafig?
    with the development of new technologies for creating multi-element structures and materials, you can already create
    radically more advanced devices
    like membrane wings, ekip, machetes, etc.
    a helicopter with its initially very inefficient propulsion principle should go away, not develop.
  31. prodi
    prodi 30 August 2019 15: 12
    0
    I can’t even imagine anything except a small (worthless) machine with a two-blade rigid propeller, fixed as a straight wing, with a pushing propeller or jet propulsion