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Turkish revenge. Erdogan builds a new Ottoman Empire

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Strategic transformation


With the geographical position of Turkey, luckier than anyone, I guess. On the one hand, the country connects Europe and Asia, and on the other, it has access to four seas at once. In many ways, it is from the political and military well-being in this state that peace in the Black Sea region, the Middle East and the Mediterranean depends. However, now Turkey is openly viewed by the collective West as a “second-class” state, which is very painfully perceived by both the country's leadership and the majority of the population. It is noteworthy that the first shoots of the ambitious rebirth of Turkey appeared during the collapse of the Soviet Union. It was at this time that President Ozal said: "The Turkic world will become the dominant factor in the Eurasian space from the Balkans to the Chinese Wall."



Ahmet Davutoglu - the main ideologist of "neo-Ottomanism"


The Turks did not shy away from supporting the separatists in the Russian Caucasus, and also established strong ties with the former republics of the USSR, sometimes to the peak of Russia. At the beginning of the 90's, a “magnetic” concept appeared in Turkey, according to which the country was considered as a center of attraction for the former Soviet republics. In the 90 years, the Turks did not forget about the West (after all, the country belongs to the NATO bloc), periodically reminding itself of itself with requests for membership in various structures (primarily in the European Union). But with the beginning of the 2000's, things gradually began to change. Crimean Tatar by origin and Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu appeared on the political front, who composed the landmark work “Strategic Depth”. It was with his appearance in the country that they recalled that once Turkey was a powerful power, from which everything was taken away at the beginning of the 20th century. And so the main political and ideological trend in the country appeared - “neo-Ottomanism” (“Yeni Osmanlicilik”). The foundation of the "new Ottomanism" is four principles: blood, Ottoman thinking, soil and language. Blood and language are attention and orientation, first of all, to Turkic peoples.


Erdogan - Super President of the Republic of Turkey


The soil and Ottoman thinking take the state’s foreign policy vector to a new level, focused on the former territories of the Ottoman Empire and neighboring states. It is supposed to include all economic and political resources for the withdrawal of Turkey into supra-regional leaders. At the same time, the leadership hinted non-transparently that in which case more decisive scenarios for solving problems are possible. Examples include Turkey’s closure of the border with Armenia, support for Bosnian Muslims, recognition of Kosovo, an economically disadvantageous feud with Israel, the destruction of a Russian Su-24 aircraft, and a military operation on Syrian territory.

Imperial ambitions


Modern Erdogan Turkey is moving along the typical imperial path of development associated with active military-political expansion, which in some cases openly resembles revenge. Everything is quite simple - modernization along the imperial path requires serious resources that Turkey does not have. This is largely due to the cooling of relations with the United States and the European Union (especially after the attempted coup d'etat of the 2016 of the year), and largely due to Erdogan’s inefficient domestic economic policy. All forces are devoted to foreign policy, expanding regional (and even global) influence and access to energy resources. An important link in this work is the indoctrination of the Turkish population, who are openly told that without external expansion, a good life will not be. The situation has gone so far that if the opposition suddenly comes to power, then it will take several years to change course - the population will not understand the sudden deviation from the covenants of the great Erdogan. Of great concern should be the turn of the ideology of the ruling Justice and Development Party from the course of moderate Islamism to outright Islamic fundamentalism. And every year an increasing percentage of the population of our southern neighbor is drawn into this course. Islamic customs are gradually returning to the everyday life of a once secular country, religious education is developing, the influence of the ulama, sheikhs and jamaats in both central and regional government is expanding. For Turks, a public opinion is being created that Erdogan’s new Turkey deserves to become a leader in the Muslim world at least in its region.


Flag of the Turkic Union


The economic component of external influence also plays an important role in the imperial model of development. Turkish investors not only invest heavily in nearby states and regions, but also create some lobbying groups that influence public opinion and leadership. The most important objects of influence are Central Asia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Ukraine, Moldavian Gagauzia, Kosovo, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Macedonia, as well as Russian Tatarstan and Crimea. The Turkic Commonwealth of States (Turkic Council) is being created, which they are trying to position as an analogue of the European Union for Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan and Kyrgyzstan. This is the so-called “soft power”, the purpose of which is the economic and political dependence of neighboring states, to which territorial claims can later be made and, finally, to regain previously lost regions.

The outspoken vassals of Turkey appear, openly saying: “Turkey is Kosovo. Kosovo is Turkey ”. The words belong to the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Kosovo, Hashim Thaci. The situation is similar with Azerbaijan - the phrase “one nation, two states” is used there. The countries of the Levant and the Maghreb also do not refuse a kind of Turkish assistance, not fully realizing what this may lead to. In the Turkish government, it is not considered impossible to acquire new lands that had never previously belonged to the Ottomans. So, the Russian special services on time and decisively stopped the too zealous activities of Turkish non-profit organizations in the Volga region. Activists of the Justice and Development Party openly call themselves "Osmanli torunu", that is, "heirs of the Ottoman Empire." Such revanchist sentiments are skillfully masked by the previously mentioned ideology of “soft power”.

But in 2011, this “soft power” suddenly became quite “hard” in the wake of riots in Syria. Erdogan suddenly realized that his chance had come, Assad was about to fall, and a large piece of Syrian territory could well become part of Turkey. Hiding behind the ideas of protecting the peaceful Turkic population, as well as creating a corridor for refugees, the Turks sharply increased military activity in the region. In many ways, it was Turkey, together with Saudi Arabia and Qatar, that created powerful resistance to official power in Syria. As a result, nothing particularly good happened, but the prospect of creating a Kurdish quasi-state near the border became quite possible. And then military equipment was used as part of operations with the beautiful names "Shield of Euphrates" and "Olive Branch".

There is no money for the army


Without powerful armed forces, the Turkish leadership does not have to rely on an effective imperial policy. But with this complexity. They quarreled with the Americans over Gulen and C-400, which negatively affected the economic situation (although they would not completely break off all US contacts because of the Incirlik base). The centralization of power and the economy also does not bring any special benefits - unemployment is growing in the country, the standard of living of the population is expectedly decreasing. As a result, for the 2019 year, the military budget was cut to 8,3 billion dollars, while a year earlier it was 11,1 billion. The quality level of units also fell - in 2018, more than 6,2 thousand officers suspected of preparing a coup in 2016 were laid off. But even in such conditions, the Turkish leadership plans to modernize its armed forces by the 2033 year. What does the rearmament and reform program include?


"Altai" - the main hope of the poor defense budget of Turkey


First of all, this is the creation of highly mobile ground units and an increase in the amphibious landing capabilities of the naval forces. To do this, they will reduce the number of ground forces, while simultaneously equipping them with the latest technology, as well as commissioning one or two Anadolu-class tank landing ships annually. Of great importance is the creation of commando shock brigades, sharpened to eliminate Kurdish separatism and actively go beyond Turkey to Iraq and Syria. Planned after severe tank losses in the "Shield of Euphrates" and "Olive Branch" urgently update the fleet of armored vehicles. For this, the acceptance into operation of the long-awaited Altai is accelerated.


In early May 2019, the first universal landing ship L400 Anadolu, commissioned by the Turkish military, was launched


It is noteworthy that for the country's air force, in fact, the secondary role of fire support of ground tactical groups in low-intensity conflicts is assigned. Therefore, the plans are only the modernization and purchase of C-130 and A-400M. Perhaps this is why the Turks so easily endured the abandonment of the F-35, and the prospect of buying the Russian Su-57 can only be a demonstrative political action for NATO counterparts.
The concept of revenge-seeking “soft power” drives Turkey into an economic and political impasse, which may cause unpredictable convulsions in the leadership, similar to the attack on the Russian Su-24. One can only hope that Erdogan and his entourage remember the reasons why the Ottoman Empire turned into modern Turkey.
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  1. apro
    apro 1 September 2019 05: 59
    +8
    And why not ... they haven’t been crushed from the north for a long time. Around the mess and a lot of ownerless property previously owned by the Ottomans. Americans are busy creating chaos. Europe also claws and creates small chaos. Bulgaria. Romania. Balkans. Russians are heavily busy The republics are on their own. Besides federal financial injections. But you can pour in not from Moscow. You can catch a fish in troubled water.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 1 September 2019 06: 18
      +17
      Turkish revenge. Erdogan builds a new Ottoman Empire

      I noticed that successes in state building are achieved by countries whose population is growing from year to year.
      The population of Turkey in the 1983 year was: 47 279 000 people. Today - 84 427 311
      person. For comparison, the population of the Russian Federation in 1983 year - 140 529 786 people; 2019 - 146 780 720 people.
      Oil Painting.
      It is clear that a growing population has a greater chance not only to retain its territory, but also to borrow land left unattended.
      If I knew the cunning plans, then I was not worried. Today’s relations between Russia and Turkey are similar to a policy of concessions of the type ... well, you know. if only they would not touch us.
      The specific interests of Turkey are similar to the interests of a merchant in the eastern bazaar, where a wealthy merchant wandered.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 1 September 2019 08: 13
        +5
        For comparison, the population of the Russian Federation in 1983 - 140 529 786 people; 2019 - 146 780 720 people.
        It is necessary to compare the year 1991. For the RSFSR is part of a single state and the engine throughout the country was not weak. But after 1991, Russians from the former Soviet republics began to return to Russia at first. And now, Kyrgyz, Uzbeks, Azerbaijanis fell down the ramparts.
      2. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 1 September 2019 08: 14
        +4
        Perhaps the current position of Russia towards Turkey is due to the desire to bring discord into NATO and other relations of Turkey? Would not play too much ....
        1. vlad106
          vlad106 5 September 2019 15: 52
          0
          Quote: Reptiloid
          Russia's position on Turkey is determined by the desire to bring discord into NATO and other relations of Turkey?

          Quote: ROSS 42
          Turkey’s interests are similar to those of a merchant in the eastern bazaar, where a wealthy merchant wandered.

          Quote: ROSS 42
          If I knew the tricky plans

          Where in the government there is at least one (in this case, the cunning Turkish Jew Davudoglu-Davidoglu-the son of David, there will be constant intrigue, cunning policy of moneylenders and traders, perhaps even drawing the country into a military conflict
      3. Stas157
        Stas157 1 September 2019 08: 23
        +8
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Today’s relations between Russia and Turkey are similar to the policy of concessions

        . In many ways, it was Turkey, together with Saudi Arabia and Qatar, that created powerful resistance to official power in Syria.

        It is noteworthy that Turkey was one of the main instigators of the war in Syria. But it was her who Putin chose as allies and gave part of Syria to the Turks. And how the Russian view has changed. At first, the Syrian company, the Turks were outspoken accomplices of terrorists and those who warm their hands stealing oil. Now they are the best friends for whom everything is a gas pipeline, nuclear power plant, the best weapons ... 6 million tourists. But only the Russian perception of what has changed has changed. For the Turks, everything remained as it was. For the Syrians, too. Assad hates Erdogan (and Erdogan hates Assad). Assad was categorically against the introduction of the Turkish army into his country. He perceives them as greedy invaders to seize more territory. What has repeatedly stated.

        Of course, the concession of the territory of Syria to the Turks was a compromise of Putin. Putin played on the contradictions of the invaders of Syria. Everyone was verbally against ISIS (in fact, for). And Putin decided that it is easy, without significant consequences, to conquer the territory that is under ISIS. And the rest of the territory to divide between the other invaders and declare victory. Although in fact this is the real section of the once not poor country, Syria. And without Putin, this section would have happened anyway, with the only difference being that there would have been no Assad regime, and that’s all.
        1. ProkletyiPirat
          ProkletyiPirat 1 September 2019 14: 22
          +1
          Stas157 (Stas) As for me, Putin's behavior is quite adequate, our goal is to prevent the emergence of an openly terrorist radical Islamist state at our side. That is, we are not for Syria or Turkey, we are against ISIS and the like. This is where alliances grow with a multitude of "anti-ISIS" groups that, IN ACTUALITY, can control a SPECIFIC territory and everything on it. And as for me, Putin climbed into Syria rather in order to distract the people and the media from Ukraine and keep our naval base while they are building a replacement. As for the S-400, here it is also quite simple and clear, Putin had a choice either "pro-NATO Turkey" or "pro-Ottoman Turkey", the second option for us is a little better, because it is possible to agree with an independent state at least theoretically ...
      4. Svarog
        Svarog 1 September 2019 09: 47
        +1
        Quote: ROSS 42
        I noticed that successes in state building are achieved by countries whose population is growing from year to year

        Very accurately noticed. Population growth is the most important incentive for the development of any state, as well as an indicator of the success of the leaders of this state.
        1. Hypatius
          Hypatius 1 September 2019 10: 33
          0
          But population growth, like productivity, science, patriotism and much, cannot be achieved under the existing ideology of consumerism and matriarchy. So what's right:
          Islamic customs are gradually returning to the everyday life of a once secular country, religious education is developing, the influence of the ulama, sheikhs and jamaats in both central and regional government is expanding.
          And in general, the ideology of Islam and the communist religion has much in common. So, Turkey has prospects, unlike the Russian Federation. That is why the West, whose goals were genocide, first fought against communism, and now with Islam.
          1. Kronos
            Kronos 1 September 2019 10: 53
            0
            Communism is not religion but Islam is the ideology of enslaving women in particular
            1. Hypatius
              Hypatius 1 September 2019 11: 17
              +2
              Twenty five again laughing Well, tell me the fundamental difference between religion and ideology. Then, and you can talk about the "enslaved" women. As in Islam, they are thrown into prisons when they do not go to maternity wards, on a summons for compulsory childbirth, for example.
              1. Kronos
                Kronos 1 September 2019 11: 23
                -1
                It is enough to look at the Islamists in Syria and their attitude towards women - slavery, coercion, or the Caucasian regions of Russia. Religion bases the world on faith in higher powers that created its own planet, and ideologies are based on science, studying the society of people.
                1. Hypatius
                  Hypatius 1 September 2019 19: 41
                  -4
                  Science is faith, and the most inveterate and impatient with others. Most of it is unprovable and contradictory, i.e. based on faith.
                  ... and ideologies are based on science, studying the society of people.
                  And the religions and rules in them, invented by geniuses studying the society of Martian-baboons?
                  Religion Founds the World on Belief in the Higher Powers That Created the Planet
                  Does the origin of the Earth from self-adhesion of dust or the Big Bang obviously have a certificate with seals and a bunch of evidence? Those. The Creator from the Word could not create the Earth, but the Big Bang without a word and mind could. good
                  1. Kronos
                    Kronos 1 September 2019 19: 43
                    0
                    In general, every year, scientists give answers to various questions based on facts, while religion can only give faith.
                2. Hypatius
                  Hypatius 1 September 2019 19: 45
                  0
                  To the mirror. It is enough to look at the secular in Russia and their attitude towards men - slavery, coercion, life expectancy, as in Somalia .... Laziness to continue.
                  1. Kronos
                    Kronos 1 September 2019 19: 46
                    -1
                    And Yes, this is your nonsense about the fact that matriarchy rules everywhere
                    1. Hypatius
                      Hypatius 1 September 2019 19: 48
                      -2
                      This, darling - the facts !!! Open statistics, for example, on life expectancy by country. Z.Y. Essentially nothing to say again?
                      1. Kronos
                        Kronos 1 September 2019 19: 51
                        -1
                        What essence? The life expectancy of men as well as women depends on themselves and the state system, and not on the conspiracy of women who keep men in slavery
                      2. Hypatius
                        Hypatius 1 September 2019 20: 14
                        -3
                        Again women’s quirks - from the general to the particular (delusions attributed to the interlocutor). Gosstroy matriarchal, what a conspiracy of women? Babam, brainwashing their "rights", and in fact privileges, are stupidly used to destroy the ethnic group and the country. They are in pursuit of things-money-divorce-alimony, they fly past happiness. But in fact, it was necessary to explain the difference in life expectancy in Russia between the sexes, and why there is no such difference in other countries. Even in the USA, where feminism also rules, but apparently less. But again, empty chatter stop
                      3. Kronos
                        Kronos 1 September 2019 20: 18
                        0
                        The greatest rights of women in the Scandinavian countries there are high life expectancy for men. So there is no connection here.
                      4. Hypatius
                        Hypatius 1 September 2019 20: 41
                        0
                        There is a connection. There, too, the indigenous population is dying out, a quarter are migrants. This is the main task of feminism. And why the difference in life is worldwide, I honestly don't know. Maybe alimony is on average 9%, maybe single mothers have their children taken to state hospitals, maybe they don't look at Dom2, maybe the society for protecting men is working. But I repeat, the Swedes are dying out, like other nations of victorious feminism.
                      5. Kronos
                        Kronos 1 September 2019 20: 45
                        +1
                        A decrease in the birth rate is characteristic of all civilizations with an increase in the level of technology and comfort. This is a natural process, it’s stupid to blame women that they don’t want 5 children to have a life giving birth and sitting at home raising them
                      6. Hypatius
                        Hypatius 1 September 2019 21: 27
                        0
                        This is a typical common statement. But, there are several "buts". One example, if we look at the graph of the income of the population of the Republic of Ingushetia-USSR-Russia, we can clearly see: 1. 1917 The first victory of the femki. Decrease (clear inflection of the graph) from 2,5 to 1,5% 2. Khrushchev's family code. The men became single mothers. Alimony. Again there is a clear inflection from 1,5 to 0,7% 3. 1992 Consumerism, capital, house2. Decrease from 0,7 to minus-0,6% !!! Compensation by newcomers, and -0,6 -0,7 and now. Hence the conclusion: the greatest decrease in the birth rate is provided by propaganda, as opposed to tradition and morality. And the excesses of the schedule are not related in any way to the growth of wealth. An increase of 0,7% from 1965 to 1991 without a drop. And to have children, sewn up in the instincts of women, with which our state (and globalists) is fighting through propaganda. And it has become a tradition - to live only "for oneself". Please read it, in vain something crucified. We will all die out, regardless of gender. Ps Are you right? And the right should be in balance with responsibilities, and better without outrageous discrimination. And not so: the right to abortion (the state will also pay) for some, and the obligation to serve others without payment, and many others.
                      7. nikvic46
                        nikvic46 2 September 2019 06: 22
                        +1
                        Why do women live longer than men because they have no wives. Joke.
              2. Dante Alighieri
                Dante Alighieri 1 September 2019 11: 32
                +9
                Well, tell me, the fundamental difference between religion and ideology


                Religion is built on dogmas and the concept of "faith", which in themselves deny logic and are anti-scientific in this regard. Even the medieval scholastics, although they used logical methods, trying to substantiate the divine essence with them, were ultimately forced to admit that faith and logic are incompatible, for, as they argued, the human mind is not able to understand the Creator's plan. This is where the main statement of all religions comes from: "Believe against reason."

                Unlike faith, ideology, whether liberalism, communism or anarchism, is based on clear and well-founded logical constructions derived from the accumulated empirical experience of building human communities. It is a product of human consciousness, not divine revelation. In short.
                1. ProkletyiPirat
                  ProkletyiPirat 1 September 2019 15: 17
                  +2
                  Quote: Hypatius
                  Well, tell me, the fundamental difference between religion and ideology.

                  In terms of logic
                  1) If you affirm something, but cannot prove your statement, it means that you believe in your statement.
                  2) There are people who claim "God exists", but they cannot prove it, therefore they believe in "the existence of God".
                  3) There are people who say "God not exists ", but they cannot prove it, hence they believe in" no existence of God. "
                  4) That is, atheists are also believers, and there are also believers in aliens, believers in a pasta monster, etc. etc. Including believers in "all world communism that will bring happiness to the whole world." Summing up the intermediate result: you can believe in anything, in anyone, and as you like.

                  Quote: Dante
                  Religion is built on dogmas and the concept of "faith"

                  As for me then it turns out that capitalism is also a religion, because capitalists believe in the dogma "the invisible hand of the market." And here a contradiction arises because in the world capitalism and communism are not recognized as religions.

                  Then the question arises: if in Christianity, Islam, atheism, liberalism, communism, etc. etc. dogmas and faiths are present, then why one is recognized by religion, and the other is not, what is the difference?.

                  In my opinion, the difference in the "priesthood" be it sacred places (churches \ mosques \ temples \ ...), holy books (bible \ karan \ ...), sacred objects \ symbols (statues \ icons \ crosses \ tattoos \ ...), sacred events (religious events), and the most important thing in priests as mediators between believers and their faith. This latter is absent in "non-religions": in atheism - "scientists" are not suitable, they only collect, structure and give out knowledge, not dogmas / faith, in capitalism - "businessman" earns money, and does not reason on the topic of faith , in communism, liberalism, there is management and organization, i.e. mediation between the individual and the community, not between the individual and his faith.
                  1. Dante Alighieri
                    Dante Alighieri 1 September 2019 16: 08
                    +2
                    As for me then it turns out that capitalism is also a religion, because capitalists believe in the dogma "the invisible hand of the market." And here a contradiction arises because in the world capitalism and communism are not recognized as religions.

                    There are no contradictions. Capitalism - this historical and economic formation, as well as scientific, philosophical and economic teachings explaining it, communism even primitive is also historical and economic formation . This is a science objectified by real knowledge, and not by a transindental category of faith. The invisible hand of the market - again, does not apply to faith, since this is a real mechanism of self-regulation of complex economic systems, which itself existed and continues to exist in one form or another, since its key element is the competition of business entities.
                    1. Hypatius
                      Hypatius 1 September 2019 19: 23
                      -7
                      This is a science objectified by real knowledge, and not by a transindental category of faith.
                      What is real knowledge of science? Yes, it is the same belief in hypotheses, formulas and black matter. When you start to delve into them, you understand that most of this is unprovable and is taken on faith How, for example, the theory of relativity works if the speed of light has been repeatedly overcome.
                      ..communism, even primitive, is also a historical and economic formation.
                      This is not a formation, but a hypothesis, and composed by stupid people. For it contradicts basic instincts human, unlike, say, the instincts of bees or ants, which live under communism. Those who believe in science are the most intolerant of other faiths, for they have privatized logic. Logic: of course, the origin of the Earth (with all its contents) from the self-adhesion of dust, where the Creator’s info message was much more logical. What about the Big Bang? The most natural and logical process! laughing. And more than once, recorded by History. good
                      1. Kronos
                        Kronos 1 September 2019 19: 44
                        0
                        Unlike faith, technologies are developing and scientists give answers to all believers, they really prefer not to notice them
                      2. ProkletyiPirat
                        ProkletyiPirat 1 September 2019 20: 14
                        +1
                        Quote: Hypatius
                        What is real knowledge of science?

                        Science has a lot of knowledge, just people, including "scientists", incorrectly present this knowledge to others. "I am the boss, you are durak" - This is the main problem of science today, the point is that many knowledge is presented as church knowledge was once taught.

                        For example, we (humanity) at the moment have no idea what electricity is, BUT we know and have studied various electrical "phenomena" such as magnetism, electromagnetism, electrostatics, electrolysis and many others. And we learned how to use them for our own good, this is science, once again science is not knowledge about what electricity is, but knowledge about how it manifests itself and how to use it for our own good. But in modern textbooks all this is presented in the "as is" style, and all controversial explanations are stupidly ignored and hushed up. I think the problem lies in the fact that the dogmatists from the churches began to work in the scientific and educational field.
                      3. Hypatius
                        Hypatius 1 September 2019 20: 20
                        0
                        I think the problem lies in the fact that dogmatists from churches began to work in the scientific and educational sphere.
                        good Religion used to drive science, now they claim that these are existential enemies. And it is precisely in science that the difference is great, between ideology and religion.
                      4. ProkletyiPirat
                        ProkletyiPirat 1 September 2019 20: 28
                        +1
                        Quote: Hypatius
                        And it is precisely in science that the difference is great, between ideology and religion.

                        Strongly controversial, frankly holivar statement. Personally, I consider science to be something that is absolutely guaranteed to be separated from ideology and religion. Because science is based on predicates that can be either false or true.
                        Everyone has their own truth, and the truth is one for all, because truth is only one facet of truth

                  2. Hypatius
                    Hypatius 1 September 2019 19: 01
                    -1
                    Well and cleverly said, not that my personal understanding of the essence of things. However, in the USSR there were sacred books like Capital and PSS VIL. There was the holy trinity Marx-Engels-Lenin, whose icons hung in all rooms, and idols-monuments in all villages. There were also their temples, like the palace of congresses or pioneers. Their church holidays, as May Day and November 7th. Also rituals and badges, ties. So the difference is even smaller.
                    But these are external attributes, and in essence they solved the same tasks and functions as other religions.
                    1. ProkletyiPirat
                      ProkletyiPirat 1 September 2019 20: 18
                      0
                      Quote: Hypatius
                      However, in the USSR there were

                      That's why I highlighted "the priesthood and priests as mediators between the individual and his faith" this is not in "non-religions".
          2. nikvic46
            nikvic46 2 September 2019 06: 18
            0
            Valery. Please explain what is common between the ideology of Islam and the communist "religion".
        2. Dante Alighieri
          Dante Alighieri 1 September 2019 10: 33
          +2
          I noticed that successes in state building are achieved by countries whose population is growing from year to year.
          The population of Turkey in the 1983 year was: 47 279 000 people. Today - 84 427 311
          person. For comparison, the population of the Russian Federation in 1983 year - 140 529 786 people; 2019 - 146 780 720 people.
          Oil Painting.


          In fact, this is a very flawed idea, since the size of the population in no way ensures the "success" of this or that state or its model of state building. To be convinced of this, it is enough to look at countries with similar dynamics of population growth over the specified period, but for some reason did not fall into the cohort of "economically developed". For example, in Somalia, whose population in 1983 was 6,199,671 people. and which today has increased to 11 people. As well as in Turkey, the dynamics of population growth is almost 031 times, but only the final optimist will insist that Somalia has organized an unprecedented system of state and social security and made an incredible leap in economic development.
          So the diagram you gave is nothing more than adjusting the facts to fit your theory. Semin correctly said in his program "we are not interested in bare facts, we are interested in cause and effect." So, to summarize: you confused these two concepts. Economic growth provided population growth, not vice versa.
        3. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 5 September 2019 18: 25
          0
          We can say so, if there is intensive growth in some industry ---- it will spread to other parties.
          Recall the industrialization of the USSR, the growth of education, post-war economic development ...
          Accordingly, and vice versa
          Quote: Svarog
          Quote: ROSS 42
          I noticed that successes in state building are achieved by countries whose population is growing from year to year

          Very accurately noticed. Population growth is the most important incentive for the development of any state, as well as an indicator of the success of the leaders of this state.
      5. LON
        LON 1 September 2019 10: 02
        +1
        Quote: ROSS 42
        I noticed that successes in state building are achieved by countries whose population is growing from year to year.

        Let me disagree with you. This was earlier, when a lot of things were held on manual labor, a large number of workers were needed. And with digitalization and robotization of the economy, this is not relevant. How do you connect your theory with the birth rate of the most backward region of the world, like Africa. Until the year 2100, the UN plans to increase the population by four times.
  2. Victoria-V
    Victoria-V 1 September 2019 06: 41
    0
    So Erdogan is still an enemy? You will not understand anything with this Turkey, except that it is warm and good there.
    1. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 1 September 2019 09: 07
      +1
      Lord Palmerston: “There are no eternal allies, no permanent enemies, but our interests are permanent and eternal ...” (Henry John Temple, since 1802 3rd Viscount Palmerston - English statesman, for many years led the defense, then the foreign policy of the state , and in 1855-1865 he was prime minister)

      Speaking of the "friendship" of countries in the European community ..
      https://inosmi.ru/europe/20140909/222881514.html
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 1 September 2019 09: 34
      +2
      Quote: Victoria-In
      So Erdogan is still an enemy? You will not understand anything with this Turkey, except that it is warm and good there.

      Firstly, I really liked the article .. As for Erdogan, in my opinion - he’s definitely not a friend. Now, of course, it is customary not to divide into black and white ..
      Erdogan is a temporary companion who can "change his shoes" at any moment, here a lot depends on the position of the United States and the European Union. Now they do not offer him anything except what he already has, but what if they do? For this reason, I am not sure that the sale, and even on credit, of our advanced weapons is correct.
      1. Dante Alighieri
        Dante Alighieri 1 September 2019 11: 21
        +2
        So Erdogan is still an enemy? You will not understand anything with this Turkey, except that it is warm and good there.

        You see what the matter is ... The author did not fully explain that there is neo-Ottomanism as it is expressed (although the word pan-Turkism is more appropriate here), despite the fact that he quotes the former leader of Turkey very capaciously defining this trend.

        The point is that modern Turkey is claiming not just the role of a regional power, with the interests of which the rest of the region must reckon. No, there is much more here. Turkey claims no less than the role of the main regulator and the main transfer on the entire Eurasian continent. Needless to say, this fundamentally contradicts the interests of Russia, which has traditionally been the main and, in fact, the only "stable" link between the West and the East, which until recently strictly controlled the vast geographic areas of northern Eurasia. Thus, the Turks are claiming the place in the world that today, even with reservations, we still occupy. That is why any concessions to them today are a time bomb for our own future.
        1. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 1 September 2019 16: 41
          +1
          There was a period in history that the space of Eurasia was divided into two parallel lines - north and south, between Kyzyl Horde and the Eldigizid Empire. Today Russia from the Pacific Ocean to "NATO" in Europe, and the strip from Turkic-speaking Central Asia to Istanbul, is very reminiscent of the geographical period of the Horde and Eldigizid.
        2. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 1 September 2019 16: 45
          +1
          "Thus, the Turks are claiming the place in the world, which today, even with reservations, we still occupy." The logic is that both you and the Türks have always been there. No one takes anything from anyone. This is a joint space, it was like that for 1000 years and it’s time to understand this ...
          1. nesvobodnaja
            nesvobodnaja 1 September 2019 21: 48
            0
            Yes, it also seems to me that it will not work for any ruler of Turkey to pull a blanket only on himself.
            1. Oquzyurd
              Oquzyurd 1 September 2019 22: 12
              +1
              Russia has always been strong together with the Turkic peoples. Remember Tsarist Russia or the USSR. If Turkey and the Russian Federation are really on friendly terms, then consider that Central Asia + Azerbaijan will always be near Russia, both in grief and in joy. And I think that it will be a natural union, since there is a common living space that requires such an approach.
              1. nesvobodnaja
                nesvobodnaja 1 September 2019 22: 15
                +1
                Of course, any world is better than a quarrel, and especially a war.
                1. Oquzyurd
                  Oquzyurd 1 September 2019 22: 20
                  +2
                  "Any world" has pitfalls. It is necessary to have a natural World, without collision, without waving fists. Then the Anglo-Saxons or someone from outsiders will not find their place in this space. It is time for politicians to think about this until all the "USA"
                  1. nesvobodnaja
                    nesvobodnaja 1 September 2019 22: 29
                    0
                    But there cannot be an absolutely perfect world ...
                    And also now, in the age of global communications,
                    complete isolation from "strangers" is impossible.
                    1. Oquzyurd
                      Oquzyurd 1 September 2019 22: 42
                      +2
                      I agree, but you can create an ideological world for the beginning, which will not dictate isolation from the rest of the world, but remove fears (fright) from each other. It is very important that the Türks do not fear Russia, and Russia does not see danger in the Türks. , turn it all a kind of Slavic-Turkic union.
                      1. nesvobodnaja
                        nesvobodnaja 2 September 2019 15: 12
                        +1
                        Well, so in Russia for several centuries there has actually been a Slavic-Turkic union. )
                        In an ethnic sense.
          2. Dante Alighieri
            Dante Alighieri 1 September 2019 22: 17
            0
            This is a joint space, 1000 of years has been like this and it's time to understand this ...

            Well, well ... You can exhort as you like about peace, friendship, balalaika, but we Russians well know what happens when two bears appear in the same den. Or would you rather clarify this metaphor with oriental flavor? Okay. As there are no two Suns in the sky, two Eurasian projects should not be in Asia, because if there is one, there will be no need for the second. In addition, north-south transfers are still attractive only for migrants, while the main cash flows are from West to East and back. For him is the confrontation.
            1. Oquzyurd
              Oquzyurd 1 September 2019 22: 30
              0
              "As there are no two Suns in the sky, so there are no two Eurasian projects in Asia" It is this view and approach to what is happening that creates conflicts and enmity, since the other side sees the aggressiveness of the first in this and will certainly seek protection from the third interested party. will lead to the dependence of the second and even more weakening of the first in the geopolitical map. It's time to realize this. The patterns of the 19th and 20th centuries do not fit the dynamic 21st century. It is about living in this space and not the time to prove that I am the "Sun"
        3. PavelT
          PavelT 2 September 2019 05: 58
          -1
          And when they start their own nuclear weapons everyone will become even more fun!
          The Germans were the first to sound the alarm back in 2014: https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article132446686/Arbeitet-die-Tuerkei-heimlich-an-der-Atombombe.html
          Then we began to think:
          https://rg.ru/2018/08/20/eksperty-ocenili-vozmozhnosti-turcii-sozdat-iadernoe-oruzhie.html
          http://24news.com.ua/21249-stanet-li-turciya-yadernoj-derzhavoj/
          https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/142481/

          It is not for nothing that the Turks are building two nuclear power plants on opposite sides of the country (with our help and with the help of France). And with China, Vasya Vasya on the same topic: https://kurdistan.ru/2012/04/21/news-15447_Turciya_sblizhaetsya_s_Kitaem_v_oblasti_yadernyh_tehnologiy.html
  3. Avior
    Avior 1 September 2019 06: 52
    +1
    to put into operation annually one or two tank landing ships of the Anadolu type.

    Yes, five years from now in the Mediterranean will not be crowded by Turkish tank landing ships. They will immediately jump out onto the Kurdish coast and tanks will drop smile
    The author didn’t say that there are only two of them and one has already been launched into the water?
    In the Turkish government, it is not considered impossible to acquire new lands that had never previously belonged to the Ottomans. So, the Russian special services on time and decisively stopped the too zealous activities of Turkish non-profit organizations in the Volga region.

    Did the author see the map? It will not be difficult to attach the Volga to Turkey?
  4. ilimnoz
    ilimnoz 1 September 2019 07: 06
    +1
    Turkey is doomed to build an empire. her attempt to join the Western European empire crashed on Europeans' fears of being absorbed by Muslims. therefore, the Turks are building their empire. and small countries need to choose a sovereign and slowly assimilate, which, in principle, we are observing.
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 1 September 2019 08: 02
      +1
      Quote: ilimnoz
      therefore, the Turks are building their empire. and small countries need to choose a sovereign and slowly assimilate

      Arrogant attitude towards others and other different things, will not give the Turks the opportunity to revive the Ottoman Empire. I do not think that the Kyrgyz, Kazakhs, Uzbeks, and even more so Greeks, Bulgarians, Serbs, Croats and others like them, will agree to "assimilate." As for the Azerbaijanis and (quite possibly this) the Georgians, this does not attract the Ottoman Empire. request
      1. ilimnoz
        ilimnoz 1 September 2019 10: 44
        0
        arrogance is characteristic not only of the Turks but of all nations. Turks with Kyrgyz, Kazakhs, Uzbeks have one roots. like Russians with Belarusians and Ukrainians. Greeks and Balkans will choose another empire. maybe even Russian. and by assimilation, I mean a slightly different process. and Turks think they have every chance of becoming an empire or at least a major regional power.
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 1 September 2019 19: 44
          -1
          Quote: ilimnoz
          arrogance is characteristic not only of the Turks but of all nations

          Not for everyone, but for the Turks - peculiar (IMHO)
          Quote: ilimnoz
          Turks with Kyrgyz, Kazakhs, Uzbeks have one roots.

          Unless linguistic, otherwise, very different peoples and cultures (IMHO).
          Quote: ilimnoz
          Greeks and Balkans will choose another empire.

          But what about the Ottoman? So no longer the Ottoman, and not the empire?
          Quote: ilimnoz
          and by assimilation, I mean a slightly different process.

          The term assimilation, has a very clear interpretation, it seems to me you are cunning.
          Quote: ilimnoz
          and Turks think they have every chance of becoming an empire or at least a major regional power.

          For the empire - the head of Turkey must proclaim himself a monarch and begin to transfer power by inheritance ... Do you believe that? Do you allow this? Well, or to become a powerful military - colonial power (I do not see Turkey in that capacity, even in the foreseeable future (poor, weak)). request
          So far, I personally observe only one empire, but without a monarchy - this is the United States. feel
          1. nesvobodnaja
            nesvobodnaja 1 September 2019 21: 52
            0
            The USA is not an empire, but a world gendarme. )
            1. Tank hard
              Tank hard 2 September 2019 08: 09
              0
              Quote: nesvobodnaja
              The USA is not an empire, but a world gendarme.

              It does not interfere. wink
              1. nesvobodnaja
                nesvobodnaja 2 September 2019 15: 16
                0
                They bother everyone. )))
          2. ilimnoz
            ilimnoz 2 September 2019 05: 21
            0
            you do not please :)) why does Turkey need a monarch for an empire and the United States does not. militarily, the Turks are second to NATO, and the colonies now and the colonies even a hundred years ago are distinguished as heaven and earth.
            Quote: ilimnoz
            Unless linguistic, otherwise, very different peoples and cultures (IMHO).
            cultures have differences but peoples are from the same root. and Greeks with the Balkans are not a condition for an empire. and why exactly the Ottoman. in general, it is better to discuss in personal live communication and comments only confuse.
            1. Tank hard
              Tank hard 2 September 2019 08: 07
              0
              Quote: ilimnoz
              why does Turkey need a monarch for an empire and the US does not. militarily, the Turks are second to NATO, and the colonies now and the colonies even a hundred years ago are distinguished as heaven and earth.

              Knowing the main signs of an empire, you would not write this, but apparently you do not know the main signs of an empire ... By the way, in my opinion, Europe is now a colony of the USA. feel
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 1 September 2019 07: 21
    +5
    One can only hope that Erdogan and his entourage remember the reasons why the Ottoman Empire turned into modern Turkey.
    Hope, do not hope, and Erdogan set a goal and is slowly moving towards it. In principle, this is an internal affair of Turkey, and what country does not want to become great?
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 1 September 2019 09: 47
      +1
      There is only one question: would Erdogan live to this goal, because he is not a boy.
  6. parusnik
    parusnik 1 September 2019 07: 28
    +9
    ... The revival of Islamic fundamentalism in Turkey is very dangerous for Russia ..
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 1 September 2019 08: 10
      +2
      Quote: parusnik
      ... The revival of Islamic fundamentalism in Turkey is very dangerous for Russia ..
      The question arises — if Russia were equal to the USSR, in place in the international arena, would it be dangerous? For a weakened country, a lot of things are dangerous.
      Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary ---- tidy up, of course, tempting ....
      The author mentions the former republics of the SFRY; of course, Turkey’s plans and actions are interesting in relation to them, its former possessions.
      1. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 1 September 2019 09: 18
        +2
        Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary ---- tidy up, of course, tempting ....


        After 1878 and before World War II, we declared war on the Turks 5 once and beat mercilessly. In 1913, we were in 20 km from Constantinople when Avsto-Hungary and Russia stopped us.

        And then and now the Turks are 10 times bigger than us. And then and now they have the latest weapons with which they were crammed with Western countries and now Russia, which sells everything for a few bucks to the Busurmans.

        The problem just Turks can kick everyone who is not lazy. And it is clear to everyone that NATO is an idle union, but the Balkan Union of Bulgaria, Greece, Serbia can be revived in five minutes, and then we push the Turks into Antarctica and they know it. And there both Hungary and Poland will catch up. Or maybe Russia is recovering.

        Otherwise, he specifically separated 30 euros and bought the Strategic Depth of Ahmet Davutoglu. Well, how can I say - to Kissinger he is like to the moon ..... devoid of the mind and logic of reasoning of a university neo-Ottomanist. Boredom does not cost its money.
        1. Talgat I.
          Talgat I. 1 September 2019 13: 20
          0
          How are Turks 10 times more than you! ???
        2. dolfi1
          dolfi1 2 September 2019 03: 53
          +1
          The Turks are diligently "teaching" new "writers" - the Kurds. And if anyone has forgotten, there are about 40 million Kurds, they are simply separated by borders (Iran, Iraq, Turkey, Syria). So you may have unexpected helpers.
      2. Svarog
        Svarog 1 September 2019 09: 36
        0
        Quote: Reptiloid
        The question arises — if Russia were equal to the USSR, in place in the international arena, would it be dangerous?

        Of course not. Turkey began to raise its head, precisely after the collapse of the USSR.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 1 September 2019 09: 57
          +3
          Quote: Svarog
          .....Of course not. Turkey began to raise its head, precisely after the collapse of the USSR.

          What about and speech! How many events not in our favor will happen in connection with the destruction of the USSR. The impression that many do not notice this, and especially who sits higher
          1. nesvobodnaja
            nesvobodnaja 1 September 2019 21: 55
            +1
            For this, they destroyed it.
        2. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 1 September 2019 23: 23
          +1
          "Turkey began to raise its head precisely after the collapse of the USSR." What should they do then? If they do not rise in such an environment, then they will be devoured. Turkey is doomed to be strong, since they were not accepted into the EU, pushing them away, like, go for a walk Vasya, we don't need you like that and we will divide you, then we'll see what remains of you. The Turks themselves say, "Kotu komsu bizi ev sahibi yapdi" which means "bad neighbors made us the masters of their home"
  7. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 1 September 2019 08: 04
    +1
    Erdogan is spinning like that. He is sorely short of time ... Russia did not give him a chance to divide Syria and snatch a piece. I threw a crust in the form of "TP" and a nuclear power plant, and at the same time threw in the "Paris apple" in the form of S-400 ...
    Americans swallowed the bait and began to support the Kurds ... Erdogan again was not up to the imperial structure.
    No, he's got time trouble. There will be no sultanate. The "golden age" of the Ottoman Empire will not be repeated ...
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 1 September 2019 09: 03
      +3
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Divide Syria and grab a piece of it did not give Russia.

      Apparently for this, the Turkish army launched into Syria instead of blocking the 100-kilometer stretch of the Turkish border, where the Turks shot down our Su-24?
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Threw a crust in the form of "TP" and NPP, and at the same time threw an apple Paris "in the form of S-400 ...

      Everyone would like peels with apples threw! This is how much, interestingly, the effect of this adds to the GDP. Surely tangible, if you add here such crustas 6 million. Russian tourists leaving there the money earned for the year.
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 1 September 2019 09: 06
        0
        Quote: Stas157
        Everyone would throw such crusts with apples

        The apple of Paris is the apple that Paris gave as a prize to Elena the Beautiful and what caused the Trojan War!
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 1 September 2019 09: 11
          +5
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          what caused the Trojan War!

          Graters of Americans with Turks did not begin on the S-400, but much earlier. If the S-400 weren’t, their relationship would still be far from ideal, while the rebellious Erdogan ruled in Turkey. Let me remind you that before that the S-300s were completely bought by the NATO countries, and then it was not an apple of Paris.
    2. PavelT
      PavelT 2 September 2019 06: 01
      -1
      "Kostochka" in the form of a nuclear power plant can bring Turkey a good trump card in the form of its own nuclear weapons ... I gave links above.
  8. stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 1 September 2019 08: 27
    +6
    The change in geopolitical realities, namely the collapse of the USSR and the war in Iraq, gave Turkey a chance to consolidate its influence in the Middle East, which R. Erdogan does. And if you compare the role of Turkey at the end of the 80 of the last century and now, it is clearly seen that not a single military or political mess will happen without the reaction of Turkey. Moreover, the reaction will be tough.
    Russia, after the loss of Ukraine, needs to cover its southern flank, especially since Turkey keeps the "gate" to the Black Sea locked.
    And the events in Syria only confirmed the seriousness of Turkey's intentions to establish its own order in the light of bringing the Kurds "to order" and establishing their sphere of influence in northern Syria and Iraq.
    And now, without a good relationship with Turkey, Russia cannot go anywhere.
  9. naidas
    naidas 1 September 2019 09: 09
    +6
    The concept of revanchist “soft power” in many ways drives Turkey into an economic and political impasse that could cause unpredictable convulsions among the leadership

    I wonder where the Russian government is driving Russia?
    1. Alekspel
      Alekspel 1 September 2019 10: 01
      +5
      And you look around a little more carefully. Migrant workers are already not present in dozens, but in hundreds in St. Petersburg. Strong young guys. Perfectly organized. Brigades with brigade leaders can instantly be turned into platoons with commanders. Give them arms and they are power. Armed. And who knows what is in their heads? What are they doing in their free time? So within the Russian Federation there has long been a sixth column (possibly of Turkish subordination), and it is worse than the fifth one, representing the liberals. It's just that they are engaged in boltology, and they train and are silent. Till.
      1. Hypatius
        Hypatius 1 September 2019 10: 40
        +6
        The same can be said of the Chinese, with entire villages beyond the Urals.
        1. Ugolek
          Ugolek 1 September 2019 13: 18
          +2
          In order to pretend to something, especially in geopolitics, you need to have a whole range of resources (money, minerals, scientific, labor), and Turkey is far from the first, which means that everything in this article is written about zilch, similar to Poland’s attempts, which are quiet sadness recalls the time of the Commonwealth.
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 1 September 2019 19: 52
            +1
            Quote: Ugolek
            In order to pretend to something, especially in geopolitics, you need to have a whole range of resources (money, minerals, scientific, labor), and Turkey is far from the first, which means that everything in this article is written about zilch, similar to Poland’s attempts, which are quiet sadness recall the time of the Commonwealth

            I agree with you, do the Turks have a bomb? And Israel, Pakistan, India, even the DPRK seem to have it. But dreaming, of course, you can, dreaming - you can't forbid ... hi
            1. PavelT
              PavelT 2 September 2019 06: 03
              -1
              Quote: Tank Hard
              Do Turks have a bomb?
              - it may be soon: https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article132446686/Arbeitet-die-Tuerkei-heimlich-an-der-Atombombe.html https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/142481/
              1. Tank hard
                Tank hard 2 September 2019 08: 10
                -1
                Quote: PavelT
                may soon be:

                However, not yet. request
  10. Mekey Iptyshev
    Mekey Iptyshev 1 September 2019 12: 16
    0
    Why was the tank called "golden"? Is it expensive to manufacture? The tank is made of iron, not gold. It seems to me that "timr" is iron, it would be more suitable.
  11. Talgat I.
    Talgat I. 1 September 2019 13: 22
    +1
    If the Turks would have shot down our plane, the legs of our tourists would never have been there !!!!!!!
    But the ice cream is delicious!
  12. Nadir shah
    Nadir shah 1 September 2019 15: 03
    -1
    Quote: Mekey Iptyshev
    Why was the tank called "golden"? Is it expensive to manufacture? The tank is made of iron, not gold. It seems to me that "timr" is iron, it would be more suitable.

    damir, to be precise (of course, there are many variations here, from "timur" to "tamer").
  13. Nadir shah
    Nadir shah 1 September 2019 15: 04
    -1
    Quote: Talgat I.
    If the Turks would have shot down our plane, the legs of our tourists would never have been there !!!!!!!
    But the ice cream is delicious!

    yours - at what?
    1. Talgat I.
      Talgat I. 1 September 2019 18: 16
      0
      Ah, the flags were removed ...
      Kazakhstan!
  14. Nadir shah
    Nadir shah 1 September 2019 15: 05
    -1
    I recall how the Ottomans shot down a plane and, according to a zombie, began to ask everyone for opinions on what was happening, and then half also said that Erdogan (by the way, he is Erdoan, in fact) is reviving the empire. But no one will let him do this - neither Arabs, nor Persians, nor Russia, all the more. And good.
  15. Kontrik
    Kontrik 1 September 2019 15: 54
    -3
    As soon as Erdogan again hinted at the purchase of the latest Su -57s ... and huge articles began on all sites .. And remember everything hehe
    the leadership has unpredictable convulsions similar to the attack on the Russian Su-24. One can only hope that Erdogan and his entourage remember the reasons why the Ottoman Empire turned into modern Turkey.

    For example, how viciously and skillfully .. It is useless gentlemen! hi
  16. Normal ok
    Normal ok 1 September 2019 17: 12
    0
    Modern Erdogan Turkey follows a typical imperial path of development associated with active military and political expansion, which in some cases openly resembles revanchism ... All forces are devoted to foreign policy, the expansion of regional (and even global) influence ... Centralization of power and the economy also does not bring any special benefits - unemployment is growing in the country, the standard of living of the population is expectedly decreasing.

    If you change the words "Turkey" and "Erdogan" in the sentences to "Russia" and "Putin", then the truth of the statements will not change.
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 1 September 2019 19: 56
      +1
      Quote: Normal ok
      Modern Erdogan Turkey follows a typical imperial path of development associated with active military and political expansion, which in some cases openly resembles revanchism ... All forces are devoted to foreign policy, the expansion of regional (and even global) influence ... Centralization of power and the economy also does not bring any special benefits - unemployment is growing in the country, the standard of living of the population is expectedly decreasing.

      If you change the words "Turkey" and "Erdogan" in sentences, to "Russia" and "Putin", then the truth of the statements will not change.

      In my opinion, there is a difference. Here, Putin has a clear success in foreign policy and influence, which I do not observe in Erdogan. IMHO.
      1. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 1 September 2019 20: 22
        +2
        "which I don't see from Erdogan." A matter of time. Turkey accelerated only 15 years ago and has changed beyond recognition. If there is no large-scale emergency in Turkey in the next 7-10 years, then this country will enter the top ten large economies with all the influxes. And Turkey's influence is enormous already now, especially in the form soft power. The question of time is just that Turkey will enter the top five countries in terms of influence in the world ... maybe even that they are there.
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 1 September 2019 20: 42
          +1
          Quote: Oquzyurd
          It's a question of time.

          Well, time will tell who is right.
        2. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 2 September 2019 03: 15
          -1
          "Soft power" in Turkish - scimitar. Armenians, Greeks, Kurds felt this well in their own skin, and they are not Turks. Then sign up for bays and bays.
          1. Oquzyurd
            Oquzyurd 2 September 2019 14: 33
            -1
            "Soft power" in Turkish - scimitar "Substitution of concepts you have .." Scimitar "for those who want to destroy and annihilate Turkey. And the word "yatagan" is from the word "yatgyn", and in translation means "convenient".
  17. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 2 September 2019 02: 59
    -1
    It was with his appearance in the country that they remembered that once Turkey was a powerful power, from which everything was taken away at the beginning of the XNUMXth century. This is how the main political and ideological trend in the country appeared - “neo-Ottomanism” (“Yeni Osmanlicilik”). The foundation of the "new Ottomanism" is four principles: blood, Ottoman thinking, soil and language. Blood and language are attention and orientation, first of all, to the Turkic peoples.
    Powerful, yeah, a sick man in Europe, rather a large, loose empire. Precisely because, apart from the scimitar and the massacre, I could not offer anything to my citizens. And at the present stage, everything continues - Kurds, aggression against Syria. And Greece and Cyprus can’t sleep peacefully. But we will not forgive the Caucasus, we will still reckon, ally.
    1. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 2 September 2019 14: 49
      -1
      "A powerful, yeah, sick man of Europe, rather a big, loose empire." All empires at some point begin and then go into history. This "Sick Empire" ruled for 600 years)) Show on the world map another Empire, a long-liver as the Ottoman.
  18. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 2 September 2019 03: 32
    -1
    One can only hope that Erdogan and his entourage remember the reasons why the Ottoman Empire turned into modern Turkey.
    Nonsense, the story of no one teaches anything. After all, the ancestors slaughtered everyone with impunity, from the Atlantic to the Caspian Sea and ate sorbet. And why today does not work, take a chance. feel And the fact that the world has changed, they do not see. Previously, Turkey was strong, with a mass of its population, now the presence of nuclear weapons nullifies everything.
    1. PavelT
      PavelT 2 September 2019 06: 06
      -1
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Now the presence of nuclear weapons resets everything.
      Yeah, because Turkey also needs to get its own nuclear weapons: https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/142481/ Could Erdogan have thought of this? I do not exclude ...
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 2 September 2019 06: 54
        -1
        Quote: PavelT
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        Now the presence of nuclear weapons resets everything.
        Yeah, because Turkey also needs to get its own nuclear weapons: https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/142481/ Could Erdogan have thought of this? I do not exclude ...
        Don't worry, everyone thought of it a long time ago, but Erdogan's "nose is not round."
  19. dolfi1
    dolfi1 2 September 2019 04: 11
    0
    Judging by the situation in Turkey, it can only go to the bottom with Erdogan. And the size of the population is not always an advantage if the population is poor and brainwashed. Erdogan and his "Muslim brothers" (banned in Russia) will not build an empire, but he can finally destroy Turkey. And the Kurds can really help him in this, especially if the States do not throw them.
    1. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 2 September 2019 15: 02
      -1
      Judging by the flag you have, then comments, the thought comes that you are not from the noble and grateful part of your society, who remember the history of the attitude of the Turks towards you. One must understand that the Turks as an ethnic group have never been without a state. They can weaken, they can to be reborn, but they will be. Today the Turks are reborn and you can see right away to whom and to what extent it is pricking.
      1. dolfi1
        dolfi1 2 September 2019 20: 08
        0
        An interesting revival you have, brought to power an Islamist from the "Muslim Brotherhood" (by the way, an organization banned in Russia), which destroys your economy, army, businessmen are fleeing, generals (recently appointed 5 people, have resigned). Your Sultan quarreled with everyone, including Russia and America. A well-thought-out revival policy, you won’t say anything.

        Here is a link to the forecast of the Russian Federation and the Turkish economy:
        https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://ac.gov.ru/files/publication/a/22280.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi9sMH9wLLkAhXzQxUIHQcQAs44ChAWMAN6BAgJEAE&usg=AOvVaw16fdZ24EreOkpX01kL1MsP

        Here is another brief: https://ria.ru/20190617/1555619679.html

        And yes, we remember what Erdogan's regime did for us: "Marmara", incitement in Jerusalem, threats, parcels to Gaza filled with small iron balls (go well for martyrs' belts). And there are many more pleasant "little things", before each election there is a ritual about "Israel's crimes", unless Erdogan will let him forget.
        Destroyed and trampled everything that for decades built adequate politicians on both sides. From a secular, more or less adequate state, Turkey is turning into neo-Ottoman and you will soon feel all the delights of this in full. In the meantime, you can ride if you want.
        1. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 2 September 2019 20: 25
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          "You have an interesting revival, they brought an Islamist to power from .." This is just your and your own interpretation, convenient to prevent the inconvenient development of events for you. All the rest of the rubbish is based on that interpretation. You have a fear that in the future it is the Turks who are able to put an end to the lawlessness that yours are doing in the region. And knowing this in every possible way, they decided to denigrate, strike out of tishka, grassing the Kurds and arming against Turkey, so as not to let this beautiful country develop. I am not a fan of the Arabs, but you turned Gaza into a large cons camp, bombing them with all kinds of bombs, according to their mood. And this is done by the children and grandchildren of those who suffered at the hands of the Nazis. You call Erdogan an Islamist, and who are YOU?
          1. dolfi1
            dolfi1 3 September 2019 14: 47
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            You are right, black cannot be blackened. You would be silent about the Kurds, you are doing the same as you did with the Armenians. And you apparently went to Syria for a walk to Iraq, too, so it’s not for you to rant about Gaza. In Syria, in general, your government has supported and is supporting barmales from al-Qaeda and ISIS (banned in Russia). If you do not want to see this, this does not mean that the rest are blind.
            And about the Nazis, on June 18, 1941, an agreement was concluded
            on friendship and non-aggression with Germany, signed by Turkish Foreign Minister Sarajoglu and German Ambassador to Ankara von Papen.
            Since the fall of 1942, Turkey has supplied Germany with the much needed chrome.
            The supply of goods from Turkey played an important role in the German economy. For example, in 1943, Turkey delivered 46,8 million tons of chrome ore, 17,9 million tons of oilseeds, 17,6 million tons of fish, 9,5 million tons of pig iron, 7,4 million tons of copper, etc. to Germany.
            Turkey on February 23, 1945 formally declared war on Germany, but did not take part in hostilities. So it's not for you to talk about the "neutral" fascists, you are ours.
            1. Oquzyurd
              Oquzyurd 3 September 2019 16: 42
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              Well, what are you suggesting, should I also insert a list of the anti-human activities of your state? I will not even begin to respond to slander against the barmalei. Turkey during the Second World War chose tactics in such a way that it protected its country and population from destruction and death. And this is in the region where everyone fought around. And, Turkey has become a safe haven to save hundreds of thousands of your relatives who fled from the hands of the Nazis. Even this fact is enough so that your cow does not mumble. Conscience and honor, that's what is missing ... some.
              1. dolfi1
                dolfi1 5 September 2019 04: 33
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                As for the barmaley, you simply have nothing to answer, this is happening now, and you can pretend that you do not understand.
                As for the relatives who fled from the Nazis, but fled wherever they could and Turkey is no exception. And Turkey was thanked many times for this. Many scientists, professionals in various fields of science, production, art, engineers, highly qualified specialists in various fields fled from Germany. And they made a significant contribution to the development of the Turkish economy, science and culture. Not to mention that these people were not the poorest.
                Again, Israel also fully repaid Turkey, before Erdogan appeared. You can read about it on the Internet, if you don’t remember.
                That's just not all so smooth when Turkey signed an agreement with Germany, pogroms began, then outright robberies. 1942-43, for non-Muslims (including Jews) they raised taxes and simply seized all their property, many went to labor camps.
                But already in 1943, when the turning point in the war against the Nazis came, everything stopped. This is how convenient it is. So do not, Turkey is far from a white and fluffy savior of the Jews. As indeed almost any state.
                And if you do not want to see where Turkey is going, this is your problem, and I express my opinion whether you like it or not. And it would be better if your sultan did not climb to us, we are not Syria, not Iraq, and not the Kurds. "Marmara" and Erdogan's anti-Semitic speeches, you will not forget for a long time.
  20. nikvic46
    nikvic46 2 September 2019 06: 49
    +1
    If the issue is resolved with the S-400, then with the "dryers" this issue is hanging in the air. Turkey conducts daily negotiations with the United States. Turkey is now concerned with creating its own fighter. So the supply of the SU-57 was an excellent help in this matter. I agree with the author. Now it is difficult to find a country that did not have territorial claims. It seems that light a match, and everything will fly to the fenne-fen. But according to religion. Do not touch this issue. It is unsafe.
  21. Altai72
    Altai72 2 September 2019 08: 37
    +1
    Quote: Keyser Soze
    Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary ---- tidy up, of course, tempting ....
    Russia, which sells everything for a few bucks to the Busurmans.

    Basurman, Basurman (distorted from "Muslim" - the designation of a person of a different (non-Christian) faith - non-Orthodox, non-Christian, foreigner, ill-wisher, barbarian.
    Basurman - shamer, unchrist, arrogant, hunter, shameless, alien, foreigner, basurman Dictionary of Russian synonyms.
    So it’s easier on the bends, here we are going to humiliate anyone’s faith. As for the Turks, then you received a lot of lyuli from them, and the Ottomans created the statehood for you.
  22. Altai72
    Altai72 2 September 2019 08: 40
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    Quote: Talgat I.
    How are Turks 10 times more than you! ???

    And so, the population of Bulgaria is 7 million, and the population of Turkey is 80 million.
    1. Ugolek
      Ugolek 2 September 2019 09: 30
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      Quote: Oquzyurd
      It's a question of time.

      Well, time will tell who is right.


      No need to wait, these are the gentleman’s wet dreams, which simply are not destined to come true.
      Come on. Consider what are the prerequisites for Turkey in 15 years to enter the top 5 developed countries? List them in order of at least 3 of these factors?

      To talk about 5-ke you need to have a very strong economy and a consolidated civil society, but does Turkey have this?
      1. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 2 September 2019 15: 28
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        "Top 5 developed countries?" Actually, I was talking about the top ten in economics. Yes, there is a chance to be in the top ten with such a GDP growth rate per year, 6-8%. Here is an interesting graph of the country's growth and pay attention to the difference achieved from 2001 to 2017. https://www.sektorix.com/tr/yillara-gore-milli-gelir-turkiye/ In 2018 they lame, and lost 3-4 years to achieve the final goal.
  23. yehat
    yehat 2 September 2019 11: 54
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    there will be no empire among the Turks. yes, they boosted the economy, acquired decent military-industrial complex, there is cultural growth, but the empire has 2 mandatory properties.
    1. Empire expanding recruits soldiers and citizens in the conquered territory. (lots of examples) In today's Turkey, this is impossible to imagine.
    2. The empire is self-sufficient. And the Ottoman was like that. But Turkey will not be able to build a self-sufficient education.
    therefore, the Turks have only 2 options - to work as someone else (let's not point fingers) as a vassal (this is better than a disempowered ally as of now) or to rock and crush.
  24. Altai72
    Altai72 2 September 2019 15: 05
    +1
    Quote: Ugolek

    Quote: Oquzyurd
    It's a question of time.

    Well, time will tell who is right.


    No need to wait, these are the gentleman’s wet dreams, which simply are not destined to come true.
    Come on. Consider what are the prerequisites for Turkey in 15 years to enter the top 5 developed countries? List them in order of at least 3 of these factors?

    To talk about 5-ke you need to have a very strong economy and a consolidated civil society, but does Turkey have this?

    In 5-ke there is neither Russia nor Turkey, so you should not worry.
    Russia is 12th in the UN list, and Turkey is 18th, which is why this is not an argument.
    1. Ugolek
      Ugolek 2 September 2019 16: 02
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      I apologize, beguiled, but not 5, but 10. To enter the top ten richest countries prestigiously. But here is a fact that awaits the powers that have very big ambitions. There are small countries, but without a large army and they do not have large expenses for maintaining the territory, the army, large projects dictated by ambitions, for example, space and global science-intensive projects, aviation. Due to the small territory, the bottom has no floods and big fires, respectively, there are no grand expenditures for extinguishing and fighting the consequences. They do not have a large army, which means there are no grand expenditures for maintenance, I am silent about the development of weapons. There is no space program for itself, no expenses either. But their level is high, since all income goes to this high standard of living. It is easy to win them or force them to do what is beneficial to a stronger state. In fact, they are very vulnerable. Therefore, they gather in a herd and, for example, call themselves NATO. Large states, having an army and expenses for it, as well as concerns regarding its armament, maintaining a large territory, and having large projects, may not be so rich at all. Their standard of living may be low. And if they do not expand, do not expand, that is, do not show imperial essence, then they will remain not rich, but protected. Therefore, one must take into account this fact of Turkey, either constant expansion or balance. China can no longer stop, so there are trade wars. The USA cannot stop, so they are constantly looking for expansion options. But this cannot go on forever, there will be a collapse. Therefore, are imperial ways necessary?
  25. yehat
    yehat 2 September 2019 17: 16
    +1
    Quote: Ugolek
    Therefore, are imperial ways necessary?

    imperial ways are an integral property of growth under capitalism.
    however, I believe that Erdogan’s plans are much more practical.
    He really wants to raise Turkey in order to remain in history along with Ataturk, and maybe abruptly.
    And this is not an empire, but for the growth of Turkey, in any case, it is necessary to invade actively surrounding countries.
    The author perceived this activity as imperial manners, although Erdogan is simply trying to build "his" niche for Turkey - as the United States has its own Mexico with South America, and Japan has Korea.