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The center of space communications will be restored in Crimea

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The state corporation Roscosmos will re-equip space communication centers in the Moscow and Tver regions, as well as restore the space communication center in Crimea. This was reported by the agency Kryminform.


The center of space communications will be restored in Crimea

Remaining from the NIP-10 antenna of the TNA-400 radio telescope in the village of Shkolnoye, Simferopol District


According to the public procurement website, in the period up to 2025, Roscosmos will create three centers for long-distance space communications, which will be located in the following settlements: Bear Lakes (Moscow Region), Kalyazin (Tver Region) and Shkolnoye (Simferopol District). At these points, ground-based deep spacecraft control systems (NKU DKA2025) will be located, connected to a single network. Communication centers will be equipped with unified ground-based radio systems with antenna systems with diameters of 32 and 12 meters. ("Jupiter-M-32", "Jupiter-M-12")

The network of the ground-based deep-space spacecraft control complex is designed to provide continuous and stable control (...) of spacecraft in deep space on flight paths to the Moon, Mars and other celestial bodies of the solar system operating in the X- and Ka-bands

- says the terms of reference for OCD.

As noted in bmpd, in the village of Shkolnoye near Simferopol, one of the most important Soviet communications centers with spacecraft was already located - the NIP-1957 created in 10 (ground-based measuring point No.10, Simferopol-28, military unit 14109, Uk "Kucher" ), which was subordinate to the Central Space Administration of the Strategic Missile Forces of the USSR. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, NIP-10 was transferred to the control of the National Space Agency of Ukraine (NSAU) and in 2002 it was liquidated as unnecessary, and all equipment was looted. Currently, only the 32-meter antenna of the TNA-400 radio telescope remains in Shkolnoye.
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www.c-inform.info
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  1. skinar
    skinar 28 August 2019 09: 08
    +4
    Good news, it’s a pity that the object will actually have to be built from scratch
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 28 August 2019 09: 25
      +5
      In the 90's, when he was an Americanized teenager, he watched American films about these kinds of transmitter-antennas, and did not even suspect that we had such films too, on the fragments of our once Red Empire. In the USA they know how to publicize their achievements through Hollywood.

      1. Errr
        Errr 28 August 2019 10: 30
        +11
        Yes, where does the PR through Hollywood? The Arecibo radio telescope is a really grand construction with a mirror diameter of more than 300 meters. For almost 53 years, there was no larger radio telescope of this type on the planet. Only in 2016 did the Chinese launch their half-kilometer FAST in Guizhou Province. True, in Russia (in Karachay-Cherkessia) since 1974 there has been a RATAN-600 radio telescope with a diameter of 576 meters, but it is structurally different from the aforementioned American and Chinese.
        RATAN-600
    2. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
      SERGEY SERGEEVICS 28 August 2019 09: 26
      +5
      it’s a pity that the object will actually have to be built from scratch

      Now the construction site will be different, the infrastructure that was earlier will no longer fit modern technology.
  2. horus88
    horus88 28 August 2019 09: 09
    -7
    it’s a good thing, of course, they’ll cut the money countless, but the main thing is that the station would work.
    1. Non liberoid Russian
      Non liberoid Russian 28 August 2019 10: 31
      +2
      I suggest holding a candle at the moment ... and then you will yell and prove nothing
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 28 August 2019 10: 47
      +4
      Quote: horus88
      good thing

      But even for a good job, you did not spare your portion of manure
      money, of course, will be cut countlessly
  3. usr01
    usr01 28 August 2019 09: 12
    +5
    ... eliminated as unnecessary, and all equipment was looted ...

    Well? Who has questions - what did Ukraine give Crimea ???
    1. evgen1221
      evgen1221 28 August 2019 09: 14
      +10
      Another question is what did the independent 404 do for itself, without eating through the Soviet legacy?
    2. Vita vko
      Vita vko 28 August 2019 09: 26
      +5
      Quote: usr01
      Well? Who has questions - what did Ukraine give Crimea ???

      There are a lot of questions about the destruction of the infrastructure and economy of Crimea by the Ukrainian authorities. This is not counting the energy and water blockade by Ukraine, which should be regarded as genocide. But unfortunately, so far only Ukraine has filed claims with international courts regarding the property of Crimea, and not vice versa. Although in fact the claims of the Crimean authorities against Ukrainian officials and oligarchs should be an order of magnitude greater. Why in the Russian Federation no one has bothered with this is unclear. They may be afraid to set a precedent for investigating national property that has fallen into the hands of Russian oligarchs.
      1. usr01
        usr01 28 August 2019 10: 01
        0
        ... Why in the Russian Federation, no one has bothered with this ...

        It seems to me -
        1. If you submit on behalf of the Crimean authorities, structures, etc. - the west (which considers Crimea to be part of Ukraine) will answer - "return to Ukraine and inside solve the" internal "problems ..."
        2. If you submit on behalf of the Russian Federation - the answer is "what do you have to do with it ???" further see item 1
        Well, so as not to substitute and not "tease the geese" ....
    3. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 28 August 2019 09: 37
      0
      Quote: usr01
      ... eliminated as unnecessary, and all equipment was looted ...

      Well? Who has questions - what did Ukraine give Crimea ???

      She built the Ukrainian world. These frames freeze the blood in my veins. Holiday in Western Ukraine. Catch the pig and take it back to your hut. It is possible to tear apart the living.
      1. Leading
        Leading 29 August 2019 02: 02
        +1
        Pigs are tearing a pig.
    4. Roman070280
      Roman070280 28 August 2019 10: 16
      +5
      Yes, where does Ukraine ..
      We have something less sawn and thrown !!
  4. rocket757
    rocket757 28 August 2019 09: 17
    +2
    The center of space communications will be restored in Crimea

    When did you start talking about this? DO it!
    1. Antares
      Antares 28 August 2019 09: 46
      -2
      Quote: rocket757
      The center of space communications will be restored in Crimea

      When did you start talking about this? DO it!

      almost every year.
      In general, the communication center in the Crimea functioned under Ukraine in the interests of the Russian Federation and the world.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 28 August 2019 09: 58
        0
        Quote: Antares
        In general, the communication center in the Crimea functioned under Ukraine in the interests of the Russian Federation and the world.

        Somehow, something ... must be restored and developed further! In the interests of their own and the world, at the same time!
      2. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 28 August 2019 10: 44
        0
        Quote: Antares
        a communication center in the Crimea functioned under Ukraine in interests of the Russian Federation and the world.

        laughing laughing laughing Right And world peace. wassat
      3. Non liberoid Russian
        Non liberoid Russian 28 August 2019 10: 45
        +2
        until you were given it, it was functioning ... but how long did it work under the control of the outskirts? in 1998, part was disbanded, everything that can be pulled apart ... it functioned in Ukraine)))) fabulous, if only I checked myself first
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 28 August 2019 09: 18
    +4
    Such an antenna is in itself a value. And the equipment still had to be made new ... Restoring potential, restoring ... good
    1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
      SERGEY SERGEEVICS 28 August 2019 09: 34
      -2
      Yes, they will most likely replace the antenna, now others are using it, of better quality and more modified, compared to the one in the photo.
      1. Vita vko
        Vita vko 28 August 2019 09: 44
        +1
        Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
        most likely the antenna will be replaced

        The frequencies and parameters of the beam will still remain the same, so it makes no sense. Nevertheless, the foundation and infrastructure, although without a filling, are worth a lot. The main thing is that the design itself would retain its margin of safety. Well, at least the Ukrainians did not think of blowing it up, as Gorbachev and Yeltsin did in Russia on the advice of their American friends.
        1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
          SERGEY SERGEEVICS 28 August 2019 09: 56
          0
          It’s not a fact that the frequencies and parameters will be the same, the frequencies can give others, and there’s no longer any satellite that serves those frequencies that were earlier.
          The main thing is that the design itself would retain its margin of safety.

          And here, there may be problems. The antenna stood for a long time without certain technical work (no one repaired it, on time).
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 28 August 2019 10: 23
            +3
            Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
            For a long time, the antenna was without certain technical work (nobody repaired it, at certain times).

            everything was demolished along the highway - both the building and the antenna
            1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
              SERGEY SERGEEVICS 28 August 2019 10: 26
              -1
              This was to be expected, from scratch and will be erected.
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 28 August 2019 10: 28
                +4
                Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
                This was to be expected, from scratch and will be erected.

                "Tavrida" Simferopol-Mirny is being built practically next to the former position. I think localization will change
                1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
                  SERGEY SERGEEVICS 28 August 2019 10: 30
                  -1
                  Most likely, since construction is already underway there.
                  1. New Year day
                    New Year day 28 August 2019 10: 31
                    +4
                    Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
                    Most likely, since construction is already underway there.

                    on Sunday I’ll go see
                    1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
                      SERGEY SERGEEVICS 28 August 2019 10: 35
                      0
                      Excellent, write off after the trip, good.
                      1. AAK
                        AAK 28 August 2019 12: 06
                        0
                        From the Tavrida highway to the position - about 1500-2000 meters, about a kilometer to the military town itself ("the officers' house"), the KDP building (the edge of one of them can be seen in the photo at the beginning of the article in the lower left corner), and the antenna field is even further away. Even the window frames have been pulled out in the buildings, you go along the Evpatoria highway past the Shkolnoye - the window openings are visible through and through ... even if the center itself is restored (2-3 years, at least), then it is necessary to build new houses for the staff. In the old DOS, only surviving military pensioners or members of their families. DOS themselves are also very dilapidated
        2. KERMET
          KERMET 28 August 2019 11: 07
          0
          as Gorbachev and Yeltsin did in Russia on the advice of his American friends.

          Well, the current president also dealt with this
          1. nPuBaTuP
            nPuBaTuP 28 August 2019 11: 40
            0
            And specifically, can you point out the facts in the studio?
            Or again a bunch in a puddle?
            1. KERMET
              KERMET 28 August 2019 21: 58
              0
              Quote: nPuBaTuP
              And specifically, can you point out the facts in the studio?
              Or again a bunch in a puddle?

              https://omchanin.livejournal.com/148787.html
              https://omchanin.livejournal.com/888895.html
              Read, analyze.
              After that, it becomes clear that a bunch in a puddle is rather high-profile statements on the implementation of the Barguzin bzhrk
    2. ccsr
      ccsr 28 August 2019 12: 03
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Such an antenna is in itself a value.

      It is no longer of any value - only the "glass" on which it is installed is valuable. Everything else needs to be cut.
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      And the equipment still had to be made new ...

      It `s naturally. But the question arises - near Yevpatoria, there was another center besides the School in Soviet times. Maybe it's better to pour more funds there? It is not entirely clear why they now want to reanimate Shkolny, if everything has to be done from scratch there. Although I am only "for" such a program, something tells me that it is more of a PR move.
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Restoring potential, restoring ...

      This makes me happy. But is Shkolny really needed now, if our orbital grouping is more than two times smaller than the Soviet one?
      1. AAK
        AAK 28 August 2019 17: 49
        0
        In Molochny near Yevpatoria, this second center is still located, it seems to be not as plundered as I heard from those who served earlier in Shkolny, they had some difference with the "milkmen" both in equipment and in the types of controlled objects. Someone more on manned space exploration, someone on military satellites ...
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 28 August 2019 19: 54
          0
          Quote: AAK
          Someone more on manned astronautics, someone - on military satellites ...

          Now we are not as powerful as the Soviet Union was, and this is why it is surprising why we try to reanimate something under which there will be no orbital grouping. Can unify one object for all tasks? So it will be correct for the state.
  6. Nycomed
    Nycomed 28 August 2019 09: 23
    -4
    Of course, I am not an expert in this field, but let the old one be left in the form of a monument to the USSR, and the base itself needs to be developed, definitely.
    1. Sofievka
      Sofievka 28 August 2019 10: 08
      0
      True, no, the rotary mechanism of the antenna is taken from the tower of the battleship?
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 28 August 2019 12: 07
        0
        Quote: Sofievka
        True, no, the rotary mechanism of the antenna is taken from the tower of the battleship?

        It was on a different antenna, not on the one in the picture.
  7. E.S.
    E.S. 28 August 2019 09: 36
    +2
    Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
    it’s a pity that the object will actually have to be built from scratch

    Now the construction site will be different, the infrastructure that was earlier will no longer fit modern technology.

    Why "infrastructure won't fit"? What exactly won't work? Infrastructure is roads, barracks and other capital structures, this is a parade ground, etc.
    In the case of Shkolny, even a mirror gear reducer for the long-range space communications antenna is suitable, because it was made so that for 25 years the tseeuropeytsy couldn’t tear it apart and turn it into scrap metal
    1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
      SERGEY SERGEEVICS 28 August 2019 09: 47
      -1
      The construction project will already be different, according to the new technology, the location of all the buildings. Now no one is building and repairing the old buildings, it is considered not the goal to do it accordingly.
  8. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 28 August 2019 09: 44
    -1
    And what did Ukrainian authorities create after themselves after the collapse of the USSR? What was inherited from a great country is either sold for a penny or plundered, and what remains is based on the personal enthusiasm of the leaders. Ukrainians always beg for money from other countries blackmailing the world with Chernobyl and their ancient nuclear power plants with the transit of our gas, and now I don’t know another civilian country in the world
  9. Alex_You
    Alex_You 28 August 2019 09: 46
    0
    The question is why. In Yevpatoriya, a huge working complex stands.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 28 August 2019 12: 08
      0
      Quote: Alex_You
      The question is why. In Yevpatoriya, a huge working complex stands.

      And I had a similar question. True, in Shkolny the interference situation was different before, but now, taking into account the new highway and the new airport?
  10. E.S.
    E.S. 28 August 2019 09: 50
    -1
    Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
    The construction project will already be different, according to the new technology, the location of all the buildings. Now no one is building and repairing the old buildings, it is considered not the goal to do it accordingly.


    This is called "general erudition affirmation" because you do not know what kind of buildings and structures were there.
    General erudition in the case of a specialized object leads to errors
    1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
      SERGEY SERGEEVICS 28 August 2019 10: 00
      -3
      This is not called erudition, but a business project, according to which all construction will be carried out.
  11. E.S.
    E.S. 28 August 2019 09: 51
    0
    Quote: Alex_You
    The question is why. In Yevpatoriya, a huge working complex stands.

    The complex in Yevpatori has a different purpose
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 28 August 2019 12: 13
      0
      Quote: E.S.
      The complex in Yevpatori has a different purpose

      That complex was a MCC before the Soyuz-Apollo flight, and then a new one was built in Korolev and it was no longer used as in the original version. What is now stopping you from pouring more funds into it if you decide to restore the entire system? I suspect that the issue of radio compatibility plays an important role, but nevertheless I would like to understand if we really need Shkolny now, taking into account the muddy prospects with the same flight to the moon.
  12. E.S.
    E.S. 28 August 2019 09: 58
    -2
    Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
    Yes, they will most likely replace the antenna, now others are using it, of better quality and more modified, compared to the one in the photo.

    Yeah, now "revolutionary new with lemon and banana flavor in eco-friendly packaging"
    Mirror antennas have been and will be
    1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
      SERGEY SERGEEVICS 28 August 2019 10: 14
      -2
      Mirror antennas have been and will be

      Only they have different sizes and scales and verticality, and their ranges are now different than they were then.
  13. Dimi
    Dimi 28 August 2019 10: 04
    0
    He served in this military unit from 82 to 84.
  14. E.S.
    E.S. 28 August 2019 10: 05
    -2
    Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
    This is not called erudition, but a business project, according to which all construction will be carried out.

    Then it’s not even erudition.
    You can’t imagine how such objects are built.
    1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
      SERGEY SERGEEVICS 28 August 2019 10: 16
      -2
      Then it’s not even erudition.

      So I wrote about this to you, that this is a business plan, according to which construction will be carried out. And when you write, first click on answer, and then on quotes.
  15. Roman070280
    Roman070280 28 August 2019 10: 08
    0
    After more than half a century, we start everything in a new way ..
    And after 30 years, you look, and fly to the moon ..
  16. Dimi
    Dimi 28 August 2019 10: 13
    0
    http://www.e-reading.mobi/chapter.php/1033327/1/Horsun_-_Rassekrechennyy_Krym_Ot_lunodroma_do_bunkerov_i_yadernyh_mogilnikov.html
  17. New Year day
    New Year day 28 August 2019 10: 21
    +3
    School everything has been destroyed, it’s not necessary to restore, but to rebuild from scratch

    1. dolfi1
      dolfi1 29 August 2019 07: 12
      0
      belay Are the photos fresh?
  18. MoJloT
    MoJloT 28 August 2019 10: 32
    0
    The center of space communications will be restored in Crimea
    There are still huge plates under Yevpatoria, since 2017 sometimes dreary gazes have been staring into the midnight sky.
  19. E.S.
    E.S. 28 August 2019 11: 47
    -2
    Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
    Mirror antennas have been and will be

    Only they have different sizes and scales and verticality, and their ranges are now different than they were then.

    Oh, scope, yes, conservation laws are defeated by the onslaught of marketing!
    And the ranges also ceased to obey the laws of physics!
  20. E.S.
    E.S. 28 August 2019 11: 49
    -2
    Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
    Then it’s not even erudition.

    So I wrote about this to you, that this is a business plan, according to which construction will be carried out. And when you write, first click on answer, and then on quotes.


    According to this business plan, you can build a grocery hypermarket, but an object not discussed with its own specifics
  21. E.S.
    E.S. 28 August 2019 12: 15
    -3
    Quote: ccsr
    Quote: E.S.
    The complex in Yevpatori has a different purpose

    That complex was a MCC before the Soyuz-Apollo flight, and then a new one was built in Korolev and it was no longer used as in the original version. What is now stopping you from pouring more funds into it if you decide to restore the entire system? I suspect that the issue of radio compatibility plays an important role, but nevertheless I would like to understand if we really need Shkolny now, taking into account the muddy prospects with the same flight to the moon.

    School to fly to the moon had nothing to do.
    School related to the sustainability of space
    grouping
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 28 August 2019 19: 58
      -1
      Quote: E.S.
      School to fly to the moon had nothing to do.

      I wrote about the Evpatoria MCC - the Americans simply did not want to allow it, and therefore it was decided to create a new MCC in the Queen. As for the Lunar program of the Americans, then Shkolny could not be related to it - I had in mind future Russian programs.
      Quote: E.S.
      School related to the sustainability of space
      grouping

      I have an idea of ​​what Shkolny was doing - as far as I remember, he was a reserve for Schelkovo-7. However, maybe I'm wrong ...
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 28 August 2019 20: 23
        -1
        Quote: ccsr
        I wrote about the Evpatoria MCC - the Americans simply did not want to allow there, and therefore it was decided to create a new MCC in the Queen

        Ahem ... but the fact that at the time of the construction of the "new MCC" in Korolyov the "old" had been working for a long time (and now, by the way, it is working) - how about it, nothing? wink
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 28 August 2019 20: 30
          0
          Quote: Cat Man Null

          Ahem ... but the fact that at the time of the construction of the "new MCC" in Korolyov the "old" had been working for a long time (and now, by the way, it is working) - how about it, nothing?

          Of course, nothing - you simply are not aware of the regime restrictions that existed then, especially for visiting foreign specialists at such facilities, especially in Yevpatoriya. That's why they built a new MCC so that Americans could only come to a strictly defined place.
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 28 August 2019 20: 40
            -2
            Quote: ccsr
            you are simply not aware of what regime restrictions existed then, especially for visits by foreign experts to such facilities

            Um ... I worked in the same territory as the MCC ("old"), from 86th to 96th ... is it for you?

            Bringing a foreigner to Kaliningrad (not to mention "over the fence") was ... problematic, I will say so.

            The "new MCC" was built exactly as a settling tank for the Americans, all the "functional" was and remained in the old building, which is 200 meters deeper in the territory laughing

            And where, it would seem, is Evpatoria here?
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 28 August 2019 20: 52
              0
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              Umm ... I worked in the same territory as the MCC, from the 86th to the 98th ... is this nothing to you?

              Nothing, especially that I had to work with him in a circular in the seventies on "Almaz", and not only - so do not think that you are the only one in the subject. By the way, you didn't work at the best time - my time was much more interesting.
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              Bringing a foreigner to Kaliningrad (not to mention "over the fence") was ... problematic, I will say so.

              Do you even know why the traffic police posts stood on the second betonka everywhere with the intersection of the main highways? And in Kaliningrad it was not far to carry our leaders - that's why they chose not a military unit, but an enterprise.
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              The "new MCC" was built exactly as a settling tank for the Americans, all the "functional" was and remained in the old building, which is 200 meters deeper in the territory

              I was not interested in such details - we had our own general designers, and we went on our topic, different from NIPs. In my opinion, this is a more interesting topic ....
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 28 August 2019 20: 56
                -2
                Quote: ccsr
                I was not interested in such details ...

                Well, here ... how to hit - "you are not in the subject", so please. And how to explain why they dragged Evpatoria here by the ears - so little figurines.

                Not good. Not kosher. Go ... in peace, for now.
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 28 August 2019 21: 01
                  -2
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  And how to explain why here Evpatoria was dragged by the ears - so figs.

                  Yes, then, that two hours before the start of LCI, we entered the circular, and worked with the entire Union.
                  And in my opinion it is better to restore the Evpatoria center than in the School - it will be more rational in terms of costs. Restoring two centers is not kosher - don't you think so?
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  Go ... in peace, for now.

                  And you, too, in the erotic direction to follow without delay ....
  22. Warhead-xnumx
    Warhead-xnumx 28 August 2019 16: 17
    0
    We have in Primorye such a village. Galenki is
  23. NF68
    NF68 28 August 2019 16: 43
    -1
    Another good news.
  24. gregor6549
    gregor6549 28 August 2019 16: 44
    0
    Somewhere in the middle of the 80x I was on business trips on Mount Ai Petri, at the top of which there were many radars for various purposes whose antennas were located under radio-transparent domes. Does anyone know what is happening to them now?
    1. AAK
      AAK 28 August 2019 17: 54
      0
      The domes are still on the Ai-Petri. There, especially from November to March, there are very strong winds, sometimes more than 30m / s, without domes, the locator antennas do not normally work
  25. Normal ok
    Normal ok 28 August 2019 19: 04
    -3
    В
    Crimea will restore the center of space communications

    I wonder how much dough will be drunk on the "restoration" of what already works?
  26. dolfi1
    dolfi1 29 August 2019 07: 06
    0
    Good. Crimea is gradually coming to its senses, after a 20-year "date" with Nenka. I hope you won't give it back.