Ukraine presents new data on losses near Ilovaisk

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The next version of the data on losses near Ilovaisk in 2014 was published in the Ukrainian information segment. With such a publication, BBC Ukraine came out, voicing the data with reference to the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.





According to these data, 220 Ukrainian security officials from various units of the armed forces died in the Ilovaisk boiler, 40 are missing. Another 44 people were injured and 13 were captured by the LDNR forces.

At the same time, it is especially emphasized that these data do not include losses among the so-called "dobrobats" - nationalist armed groups.

Recall that earlier the then commander of the national battalion "Donbass" and the leaders of other extremist groups banned in the Russian Federation, Semyon Semenchenko, stated that near Ilovaisk, the total losses of Ukraine amounted to about 2 thousand people. Until now, there is no exact data from officials on the total number of casualties near Ilovaisk in August 2014.

At the same time, the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine asserts that Ukrainian military personnel were fired upon by enemy forces during the exit through the humanitarian corridor. Recall that the LDNR militia organized such a corridor for the exit of Ukrainian security forces from the boiler.

About the losses among the fighters of the militia of the Donetsk People's Republic during the operation near Ilovaisk, exact data are not announced.

Recall that earlier in Ukraine the concept of "Ilovaisky cauldron" was ignored. Along with the hit of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the national battalions in the Debaltsevo cauldron, the failure near Ilovaisk was called "a bridgehead with a withdrawal to previously prepared positions." Not everyone was able to retreat to these "prepared positions", or, as Mr. Klitschko says, "not only everyone."
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  1. +17
    August 28 2019
    Poor pot nation. Each article is an occasion for laughter and humiliation.
    We played, we jumped. Serves right!
    1. +13
      August 28 2019
      Each article is an occasion for laughter and humiliation.


      They themselves give a reason ... well, they thought of singing an anthem in civilian planes ... Thank God they haven’t started jumping there yet.
      1. +12
        August 28 2019
        Yeah .. the anthem on the plane is something! :-)
        And if the passenger went to the toilet, at this very moment?.. Should he also sing the Ukrainian anthem?..
        ... From the toilet in the tail of the liner, I heard (between farts): "" Ukraine has not yet died ,,:-)
        How patriotic it is, dear Ukrainians! :-):-):-)
        1. +4
          August 28 2019
          Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
          And if the passenger went to the toilet, at this very moment? .. Should he also sing the Ukrainian anthem?

          And there is the place for this howl
        2. +1
          August 28 2019
          Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
          How patriotic it is, dear Ukrainians! :-):-):-)

          said the co-pilot and pressed the toilet pedal.
      2. +15
        August 28 2019
        You do not understand. Ilovaisk and Debaltsevo are large strategic paramogs, in which two armored-hoofed divisions of underwater Buryat policemen, the entire Pskov-Murmansk airborne division and a regiment of the Kantemirov-Mozdok tank division, consisting exclusively of T-14 Armata tanks, were destroyed.
        hundreds of modern Nestor Chroniclers work daily and nightly to describe the history of these glorious in every respect paramogs.
        And you're here trying to joke. Oh no no no.
        1. +6
          August 28 2019
          Quote: den3080
          in which two armored-hoofed divisions of underwater Buryat policemen, the entire Pskov-Murmansk airborne division and a regiment of the Kantemirov-Mozdok tank division, consisting exclusively of T-14 Armata tanks, were destroyed.

          1. +1
            August 28 2019
            Ramzan should be given a link to Gerashchenko's post about
            thousands of peep-eyed rasians with a Chechen accent
            and then he will rejoice
            how good it is to be Ukrainian
            laughing
            1. 0
              August 28 2019
              Quote: akunin
              Ramzan should be given a link to Gerashchenko's post about

              Yeah I do not mind wink
      3. +3
        August 28 2019
        Yes Yes!
        Quote: The same Lech
        Each article is an occasion for laughter and humiliation.

        They themselves give a reason ... well, they thought of singing an anthem in civilian planes ... Thank God they haven’t started jumping there yet.
        And I remembered how, probably, at the end of the last century, Verka-Serduchka, together with someone else from Ukraine, on TV, ate lard with chocolate and said that lard is a symbol of Ukraine, and chocolate is a symbol of Europe, here they are together. Something became so disgusting ---- presented such a flavor combination ..... And I wonder how Verka-Serdyuchka is now? What with her?
        1. +8
          August 28 2019
          ... "how is Verka-Serduchka now?" ...
          Why is there?
          Here "native", entertains the Russian public.))
          1. +1
            August 28 2019
            Quote: Retvizan 8
            ... "how is Verka-Serduchka now?" ... Why is it there? Here "native", entertains the Russian public.))
            After that transfer, the old one didn’t happen to be seen, which I don’t regret for the most part.
        2. -4
          August 28 2019
          Normal, apparently. And then, bored?
      4. +3
        August 28 2019
        Do not distort, the anthem was sung by stewardesses and pilots, worked out their salaries!
    2. -1
      August 28 2019
      We played, we jumped. Serve me right! I agree, it's not working.
    3. 0
      August 28 2019
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      Poor pot nation. Each article is an occasion for laughter and humiliation.
      We played, we jumped. Serves right!

      Well, why, another 5 years will pass and a monument "the capture of Ilovaisk by the Armed Forces of Ukraine" may be erected on the square in Kyiv, unless, of course, in 2005, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will still be.
    4. +3
      August 28 2019
      There is a line in "The Government Inspector" - "Who are you laughing at? - You are laughing at yourself."
      I mean, there is no reason to laugh. It is sad. We have enough horses, including for "VO". Russians killing Russians is a bad laugh.
      1. 0
        August 28 2019
        Russians killing Russians is a bad laugh.
        Russians who have become Banderaites are no longer Russians. Yesterday they showed such a “Russian” - he carries a yellow-black one with him and promises to hoist it in Donetsk.
        1. 0
          August 28 2019
          There are many such moments in history. For example, the army of General Vlasov during the Second World War. This is a very controversial issue. I don't want to get into it. The fact that Russians (albeit Bandera) kill Russian, says that we were defeated (hopefully local). You just need to understand where the true enemy is.
  2. +1
    August 28 2019
    They "can be trusted" ... If "The Black Sea was dug up and Dunkirk was taken" ....
    1. +4
      August 28 2019
      Ze screwed up with Dunkirk, but with the sea, who will check?
      1. +1
        August 28 2019
        Quote: monah
        Well, with the sea, who will check?

        archaeologists will find a Ukrainian shovel from the time of dinosaurs.
        1. 0
          August 28 2019
          Quote: akunin
          archaeologists will find a Ukrainian shovel from the time of dinosaurs.

          1. +1
            August 28 2019
            archaeologists work laughing
            1. -1
              August 28 2019
              Quote: akunin
              archaeologists work

              For that kind of money you can lol
              1. +1
                August 28 2019
                Quote: Lipchanin
                For that kind of money you can

                sums are not announced, but we can assume approximately: to hell and to such and such a mother.
                1. -1
                  August 28 2019
                  Quote: akunin
                  to hell and to such a mother.

                  Well enough for bread and butter laughing
  3. +3
    August 28 2019
    Did they lose the battalion near Ilovaisk? Well, well ... I'm not bloodthirsty, but I don't believe in the size of such losses with such a DESTRUCTION ...
  4. -1
    August 28 2019
    220 Ukrainian security forces died in the Ilovaisk cauldron.

    Campaign case, they reduced the number a little, there were many times more losses.
    1. +3
      August 28 2019
      Well, they write that 220 died, 40 disappeared, 15 were captured, these are military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but as far as I remember near Ilovaisk, mostly volunteer battalions fell into the boiler, and their losses were not calculated. Won in the article it is written about 2000 voiced by Semenchenko.
      1. -1
        August 28 2019
        and their losses are not counted.

        The point is that their losses were many times greater than 220.
  5. -15
    August 28 2019
    I see that you are already rushing from the fact that the Russians from both sides are killing each other. When it comes to you that Ukrainians are afraid of the bureaucratic army of the Russian Federation! More precisely - permissiveness. That's why they don't want to be around. Yes, and rams, like fools, are in store on both sides, who are ready to go to the songs, to the slaughter. Everything is like Schweik.
    In the same way as in the Russian Federation, where a generation grew up that saw no one else besides GDP, so in / in Ukraine a generation grew up that grew in national minds.
    However, on the face, a civil conflict.
    Here's how to appease the appetites of bureaucrats from power, this organized crime group is the question?
    1. +9
      August 28 2019
      Quote: 30143
      I see that you are already rushing from the fact that the Russians from both sides are killing each other. When it comes to you that Ukrainians are afraid of the bureaucratic army of the Russian Federation! More precisely - permissiveness. That's why they don't want to be around. Yes, and rams, like fools, are in store on both sides, who are ready to go to the songs, to the slaughter. Everything is like Schweik.
      In the same way as in the Russian Federation, where a generation grew up that saw no one else besides GDP, so in / in Ukraine a generation grew up that grew in national minds.
      However, on the face, a civil conflict.
      Here's how to appease the appetites of bureaucrats from power, this organized crime group is the question?

      Perhaps that is why they shouted in 2014 "Moskalyak to Gilyak" ?! As?
      1. -2
        August 28 2019
        Not everyone was screaming. And not all of those who died at that time understood where they were, and they were shot at point-blank range by artillery. They write to you about the civil war ...
        1. +3
          August 28 2019
          Quote: maksbazhin
          and they were shot at point-blank range with artillery.

          I think if the opposite side had such an opportunity, they would not think much.
  6. +5
    August 28 2019
    That's a nation of liars.
    From any defeat, they cook up a victory for themselves.
    Each interview gives about their heroism, only in fact the DPR and LPR stand their ground and the Crimea returned to Russia.
    1. -3
      August 28 2019
      Is it possible to not talk about them at all?
      Be sick.
      Or is it a way to get away from your problems?
      Previously, there was vodka for this ... but now Ukrainians
      1. +6
        August 28 2019
        ... "Is it possible not to talk about them at all?"...
        Do you really think that the topic of Ukraine is raised on the site only in order to distract people from problems inside Russia?
        But nothing that the policy of a neighboring country is hostile?
        Joining the NATO bloc is not their goal in itself? And the statements of the people in power that they dream of making rockets reaching our capital, or parading along Red Square, or raising their flag as far as Vladivostok, and so on, are these inventions of propaganda?
        1. +1
          August 28 2019
          Quote: Retvizan 8
          Joining the NATO bloc is not their goal in itself?

          No is not. It's all blah blah blah for our hawks. Everyone is well aware that Ukraine will not be admitted to NATO. So the typical "What about talking?"
          1. +3
            August 28 2019
            Well, okay, but isn't there a deployment of Western military infrastructure facilities?
            Maritime center in Ochakovo?
            Or am I confusing something?
            1. 0
              August 28 2019
              Quote: Retvizan 8
              is there no deployment of Western military infrastructure facilities?
              Maritime center in Ochakovo?

              I do not know. But even if there is, it is not a guarantee that NATO will stand up for Ukraine "if something happens."
          2. 0
            August 28 2019
            Quote: Egoza
            Everyone is well aware that Ukraine will not be admitted to NATO.

            Why take it officially? It is, in fact, already in NATO. And what prevents the Americans from deploying their infrastructure in Ukraine? Just don't tell me about all sorts of legal prohibitions on the part of NATO partners and other treaties.
          3. +2
            August 28 2019
            Fidget (Elena)
            No is not. It's all blah blah blah for our hawks. Everyone is well aware that Ukraine will not be admitted to NATO. So the typical "What about talking?

            is and very even, do not lie. This was constantly stated by Poroshenko himself and the deputies of the Rada. In February of this year, Ukraine's desire for North Atlantic integration was adopted at the legislative level. After the adoption of the law, Poroshenko himself stated
            After the amendments come into force, the Rada and the Cabinet of Ministers of the country will have to act on the basis of a fixed course towards integration with the EU and NATO

            and you all mutter that this is Russian propaganda or misinformation from Ukraine towards the Russian Federation
    2. -12
      August 28 2019
      Crimea returned to the Russian Federation, you know how. It was a payment not to interfere in the coup d'état. And what kind of brotherly people? One commerce ... After all, then in 2017, when the status of the Black Sea Fleet was extended, there would be a full-scale war!
      1. +3
        August 28 2019
        30143, by the way, about Crimea ..
        If you again want to give some area to NATO, call.
        We will always be happy .. especially in the RF Ministry of Defense .. :-)
  7. +3
    August 28 2019
    called the "bridgehead" with a retreat to pre-prepared positions».
    Departure according to the Combat Charter of the Ground Forces (BUSV) is a type of hostilities, and getting into the boiler is a pure defeat. Therefore, it is certainly preferable for them to call their defeat a retreat. But apparently, over the past five years, the memory of Ukrainian generals and colonels has completely turned off and switched to revenge. Extra confirmation that the enemy should not be spared, but must be finished off so that he does not subsequently have a desire to try again.
    1. -2
      August 28 2019
      Time is the best medicine... There comes... amnesia, sclerosis...
      Have you seen the Ukrainian charter? Is it rewritten for sure?
      1. +3
        August 28 2019
        What is the statute? So far, it has been rewritten from Soviet, though with typical children's mistakes!
        1. -6
          August 28 2019
          And you can, as they say, in the studio. I would like to analyze. Though a fragment in comparison. It is possible in the form of a table, on the left, as it was, on the right, a new edition.
          1. +1
            August 28 2019
            https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wskfJIQwNnpvNdI8J1MWLm4TwsAMp4i9/view - украинский современный
            http://militera.lib.ru/regulations/russr/1982_bu-sv-2/index.html - СССР, 1982 г.
            Learn, compare.
    2. 0
      August 28 2019
      Well, they finished off the Germans, so what? Others try, only in a different way and it turns out!
      1. 0
        August 28 2019
        Quote: monah
        Well, they finished off the Germans, so what? Others try, only in a different way and it turns out!

        Since then there have been no world wars. As you know, 2 world wars were initiated by the Germans. Nothing, of course.
    3. +3
      August 28 2019
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Therefore, it is certainly preferable for them to call their defeat a retreat.

      Well .... all of a sudden, the court will be over the military who carried out the criminal commands. And so - "there was a departure, the losses are small", you see, and there will be less time.
  8. -1
    August 28 2019
    [quote = Retvizan 8]... "Is it possible not to talk about them at all?"...
    Do you really think that the topic of Ukraine is raised on the site only in order to distract people from problems inside Russia?...

    What is happening in Ukraine, you can watch on TV and calculate in percentage terms how much time is allocated to the Russian Federation. And after watching the 1st and Russia, you think that you live in Ukraine, moreover, experts who do not live in Ukraine. There, more or less Karasev is still, in fact, a Ukrainian. And all the other clowns are whipping boys.

    Time to work.
    1. +4
      August 28 2019
      Quote: 30143
      And all the other clowns are whipping boys.

      But the salary is good. In the "nenko" they do not earn so much. Yes, and not ashamed, we have a president from their brethren, so it's even prestigious.
    2. +1
      August 28 2019
      And you don't look. For example, I learned about three years ago who Kiselev was from my friend, I had to find his program on the Internet and watch it, otherwise it even became dumb, everyone around is shouting about "Kiselev's propaganda", and I don't know one.
  9. +1
    August 28 2019
    All of them are justified. And the losses of the APU and the Nazis were monstrous, and not only in Ilovaisk and Debal.
    1. +2
      August 28 2019
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      And the losses of the APU and the Nazis were monstrous, and not only in Ilovaisk and Debal.

      Somehow everyone forgets about the first boiler - Izvarinsky
      1. +1
        August 28 2019
        Namely, thousands of Ukrainian soldiers were ground in the Southern Cauldron.
  10. +2
    August 28 2019
    Recall that earlier the then commander of the national battalion "Donbass" and the leaders of other extremist formations banned in the Russian Federation, Semyon Semenchenko, stated that near Ilovaisk, the total losses of Ukraine amounted to about 2 thousand people.
    If you call these figures officially, then the people will go berserk and smash the generals and ministers to shreds. Dividing by 10 will turn out 200 is already tolerable, but the number is round, they will not understand, adding 20 totals 220, a very real figure. Well, adding that the "heroes" fell under 50 times the superior Russian airborne divisions. They held a memorial service and everything turned out even beautifully, but patriotically.
  11. +3
    August 28 2019
    Hmm, why was it necessary to organize corridors for the exit of the utyrks. They were taken prisoner and with their forces they would build what the dill constantly destroys, and in general, I don’t care how many of them die under their own shelling, tea didn’t go to the Donbass with a loaf. Oh yes, politics, and She helped a lot to whom? They are undoubtedly Donbas in question.

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